Jurassic Park 30th is a Lazy Cash Grab
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Stern Pinball once again is finding methods to get into your wallet. Jurassic Park 30th was revealed last week. Here is what Cary thinks about it...
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Bottom line, guys. I'm all for $tern making money. I just feel that it should be done via "Fair Exchange". The thing about "Fair Exchange" is that it's subjective. If you think that these alterations to the JP game are worth the extra cash - then technically it's a fair exchange. I just don't see the value in what they have done - I don't think it's a fair exchange. I think they should have done more, especially for a great game like Jurassic Park.
And it is your right to not buy the game. I''ve seen people pay over 16k for a HUO original LE so for those that missed on the 1st LE would you say this is a bargain??? I love when people use the term "cash grab" Like its bad for a private company to try to maximize its profits. lol
I agree with this statement, the only reason I bought one was because the original LE everyone was asking 5k higher then MSRP @@steve92117
Another dumb hot take... this is pretty much a rerelease... do you get pissy about those too?
More time was spent on this video than Stern spent re-doing the art on JP30
The art in jurrasic park has always been a bit shit. At least this one looks nice. Shame they didn't make it look nice from the onset.
Supply is now abundant, prices are extremely high and demand has significantly waned so something has to give eventually. Get your popcorn.
At least all the owners are getting a code update with more options. That's a win.
I tried saying this on Pinside and people were defending Stern. LEs are a cash grab, period. It is overpriced for paint, a shaker motor, art, and art blades. 3k extra for that? Collecting pinballs machines just to sell it for more money, which is what a lot of LE owners seem to do, is actually inflating the prices for everyone.
A much much much better and more logical idea would of been for Stern to release a 20th anniversary of the 2003 Simpsons Pinball Party.
@@Kwistenbiebel200 and good luck finding someone to reprogram that old of a game onto the spike platform because they aren't going to make new whitestar boards (or do giant wiring harnesses again)
@@Kwistenbiebel200
I thought Stern bought out all of Data East and Segas Pinball infrastructure in the late 1990s and would have the rights to any of the old Data East & Sega pinball sourcing and codes, as well as everything else pinball related in regards to the former Data East pinball department, componants, schematics, moldings etc etc etc etc.....
If Chicago Gaming and Hagis could do old Williams and Bally then im sure Stern could do it, also considering Stern is a much bigger company with a bigger budget than both Chicago Gaming and Haggis combined, plus Stern already has the rights to Data East pinball.....and Sega Pinball......i think.....just a thought,.....maybe im wrong.....Still a great idea if im correct..
I would love to see some retro late 1980s and 1990s Data East and Sega pins, uograded with todays better technology.
@@toyotaboyhatman
Im sorry, i wasnt sure if you were reffering to my The Data East Jurrasic park comment or my Simpsons comment.
If you were reffering to Stern 2003 Simpsons, i would imagine it wouldnt be too much trouble for Stern to handle since they already have done it before.
Look what CG did with Pulp Fiction. They created a whole new game in the style of an oldschool pin, with some new improved modern bells and whistles and better tech.
If they can do it, then why cant Stern replicate oldschool pinball with remake modernized versions?
@@chibang492 simpsons.. can it be done? sure, but it wouldn't be worth the effort. They have never in history converted an older title to new boards. Any time a vault edition has been made, it was while they were still using that board set (or just changed to a new one and still had lots of old boards in stock). Spike was a major cost savings not only in the boards, but in wiring cost and labor of making those harnesses. If (and it's a big IF) they ever vaulted a popular title like simpsons or Tron, it would most certainly be converted to spike (which would take a programmer to rewrite the rules on the new framework). Even when Big juicey melons was released, they ran it on a spike system (the tiny LCD in the apron was equivalent of a DMD resolution).
Why put so much time and effort into something when you can just put minimal effort into an existing product and people will still buy it?
I don't specifically agree with your take. I was in the market for a pre-owned JP LE and this fits the bill at a few thousand below Pinside pricing. I imagine market correction is coming. While hire than original JP LE list, JP 30TH LE comes in below market for the original JP LE.
On a side note, it infuriates me knowing my Cactus Canyon LE remake came with a topper and pinball heavens permitting, my Pulp Fiction LE will also come with a topper for less than the magical $10,000 price point. Stern gives HD glass but no topper or special accessories. To me, there's no excuse to not have included the topper and the expression lighting I have in my Foo Fighters LE.
On a side note, nice chatting with you in the TNT Amusements stream last night.
Higher. Ugh.
You'd think for a limited re-release, they'd also include the topper and accessories or at least do another run of those alongside the 30th LE run.
The accessories are all still in stock.
You say and create a video basically what everyone is thinking 😂
Hey, at least they made the new code free for everyone. The toppers are a much bigger cash grab IMO. $1000 for what is essentially a DLC. Let them produce more of these with free code for the rest of us!
JAWS anniversary coming up.......
Just got mine yesterday. Can’t open since I’m moving but love new look. Sold my premium.
Yeah, I have the pro and I'm absolutely content. I will say it was nice that we got new code with the release. IMO, they should've released the DE version of JP and made it the 30th. THAT would have been awesome!
That surely would have been a cool thing to do, however the game is and was inferior to the current one in many ways... IMO anyway.
@@mannymets5687 Totally agree, BUT..I bet all 500 of the Limited edition DE JPs would've sold out in 5 mins flat.
Perhaps once we have a real president, and the prices of pretty much everything comes down to earth; someone will come along and remake some of those DE machines...
@@mannymets5687 Im sorry to tell you that you don't understand economics nor history. Because if you understood either you'd know that things aren't going back down in general. The only thing that comes back down after this is commodities and things that have leaps in manufacturing that makes it much cheaper to produce and those are few and far between. 95% of things that you can buy are at the prices they are at, just hope they dont keep rising to an insane amount while biden's crew keeps screwing things up behind the scenes.
$13,000!? That’s literally insane
LOOK at her smile!!! 🙂
In Australia they are selling it for $3k over the current LE price. So $23.5k over the $20.5k for Venom etc….
Yeah, we are getting completely screwed in Australia. If they think they are getting screwed in USA, then times it by 3 down here...
Cary is right on this one.,
I’ve enjoyed playing JP in the wild but the theme doesn’t stand out for me. I saw it when I was 13, but never really got into it. And as good of a shooter as it is, theme is extremely important for me. But for those I’d you who have the money and want it, I say YOLO and you can take it with you. If you already have a JP/pro/premium or LE, this probably isn’t for you. Now make my old Gen X butt a Masters of the Universe please. lol
I'm glad they did it tho cuz that new code is HOT, and we all get it! No way they would've done that out of the kindness of there heart.
Slipping Cary, this was a slam dunk $tern skit opportunity.
At least Elvira 40th has some exclusive extras, meanwhile JP 30th doesn't even include the accessories.
Like those who bought Bond 60th, I'll laugh at anyone who buys it
I don't dig the price, but I love the way the side art looks on those Elvira 40th's
Because you asked, I had a $1K Deposit on Elvira HOH for over a year. Kept being told a new run was scheduled. Then they cried "Supply Chain, no parts". But Stern decided they had enough parts to make 200 for $25K. I wound up paying $3K mark-up on a slightly used premium. I will never buy a NIB Stern pin ever again or pay a mark-up on a used Stern, bc they string buyers & distributors along & then crap all over their customer base. Gone are the days a deposit locked down a price quote. F - Stern's unethical sales practices.
Perfect video once again...🏅 Ending was great 😂
This game comes with all the same add ons you get from an LE. Art blades, shaker motor, powder coat, mirrored back glass, HD glass, limited number made and plaque. The price of LEs are currently 13k new at Stern. You can buy a used LE on pinside at about 12,500 plus shipping right now. Median price for LEs prior to this was $15,500. You can buy a new premium for 9700 plus tax and shipping. I get your points but this isn’t the same cash grab they’ve been doing.
You know I love your stuff but let me correct you - you’ll still be playing a pro, with no moving trex or raptor pen for half the price. Sorry but it’s tough to criticize something when you don’t even have the proper version of the game (at least the premium). Is this a cash grab though - sure. But isn’t all of pinball Cary? I have many games - JP is my all time fav yet the art was always off. For me I’m fine selling my premium, buying the LE 30th for the art and then seeing how well 1 of 500 holds its value as it’s clearly the nicest looking limited package for one of the best games ever. I guess we’ll see in a few years but I’m confident this game will stay competitive value wise. Elwin+great license +proven gameplay + limited = win. Cheers
I have the T-Rex moving head mod. Doesn't pick up the ball, but still puts on a show. Pro plays just as great as the premium. Would I love a premium? Absolutely. Essentially every product is a "cash grab", but this one seems like a more obvious one to me.
What I think since like around Tron or when the companies put out special models is that they saw a chance to grow their businesses and eventually retire one day. These people LOVE their jobs but the money isn't there. Back in '08 they were practically eating Ramen. Make hay while the Sun is shining I think is the phrase?
Looks great. If it cost 3k less, i´d consider it.
Wait... I thought the 500 new LE's were going to be hand signed by Cary? I'm not a player in the game any longer. I'll wait for new up and comers that will stir up the market. I just read about this new startup called Deep Root. I'll give them a chance. What could go wrong? Last Action Hero is celebrating a 30th anniversary. I can't wait.
I'll bet Stern was limited in what they COULD put on the cabinet. Licenses suck sometimes.
lol, I am a Stern dealer and I have to agree with you on this one but! It’s making me, money! I sold out all 20 that I took in for stock. Slap LE on a Toyota Corolla and people pay an extra 5K it’s all marketing like you said.
The artwork makes it shoot better 😂
not saying it is worth is per se, but the 30th is coming with upgraded sound system, shaker motor, art blades and the mirrored backglass. If you are the kind of buyer who is going to do upgraded sound and shaker anyways (not to mention visual aethetics) then that is something to factor in. Its also not really fair to be comparing the price to pro version- should be comparing to premium
I think I paid 8600 for my premium , $100 shaker , and I could do a light kit , I’m good.
Yeah, and it's not surprising at all.
They should make a Mario or Donkey Kong game.
Artificial scarcity is the phenomenon you’re describing.
I'm not mad about the cash grab. I'm not the target buyer for these LE price games as I'll never be able to afford one, but I get why they do it. It's in my best interest for Stern to be profitable. Car makers have been doing this crap for years. I would love to see JDJP get a pro/prem treatment. I'd be in on a pro. I'd also LOVE to see co-op on all the LCD games.
Ummm wtf Stern
We already have had multiple Runs of the 2019 JP.
Stern should of made a 30th anniversary of the 1993 Data East JP which it is actually the 30th anniversary of.
Youve already sold like a million Stern JPs.
Just about every single one of us Pinball buyers already have a version of this JP.
Most of us however, do not have the 1993 Data East JP. Would of been somthing differant and made a hell of alot more sense with a "30th anniversary" tag on it, considering thats the one that its actually the 30th anniversary of.
Stern would of sold a sh*tload more DATA East 30th anniversarys than just remaking the same JP from 2019,AGAIN, that they have had multiple runs of alreadt and was still in production recently, or still is.
Make the same exact thing, slap new decals on, and presto, market it as somthing new.
Kind of reminds me of Arcade1ups "gotcha" marketing policys...LoL.
Wow.
As a JP premium owner I’m glad they gave us a new code years after its inception
My JP 30th is on it’s way to me. I have never owned a JP and honestly I feel bad for the dudes buying LE’s at 17K. So is it truly a bad deal? Not really, if you want a ruby red Ed. Even if I sell it, i doubt I’d lose much money, or break even ..because it’s ‘Limited’ lol. Yeah people around the globe go ape shit over limited, collectible things, even collectible dino droppings. 😂
as LE buyer I will stop stop buying them. Next game LE vault would be Ghostbusters or Tron… maybe Iron Maiden for their 50th anniversary… why not? S8n has no respect.
Always speaking the truth!
Say what you will.... but the game is beautiful
I love the new art package and powder coat, but at least include all of the le upgrades if you’re charging this price. Love the game, but this is a straight cash grab.
Which LE features are missing?
I'm expected the bond 60th to be released as a full game but "non" limited
Sure I'd love a Jurassic Park 30th! But I'd rather just save myself $5k and find a used Premium. Or better still save closer to $7k and find a used Pro. Somehow, I'll survive without the artwork and powdercoat.
A premium is only 3k less.... and a LE is 4k more than this reprint... you are high if you think you are being realistic here.
@thomgizziz High? Insulting. Seen several at these price points. JP 30th is $13k. Have seen premiums selling for $8500 and below recently. And Pros closer to $6k... Tax considered on a new 30th and yeah... you're closing in on half the cost...
Incredibly realistic when you don't need it new in Box. Sorry, you must work for Stern to defend the price. 😉 I don't need an original LE or a 30th when the Premium is the same game at HUGE savings.
100%grab cash money, money money, makes the (pin)ball turns
Now maybe if Stern provides some real bone dust or a swatch of dino DNA, I will bite. LOL.
Plus Sten and Jack Fukin Nutz for this release
Maybe the home version wasn't selling so let's make the 30th!
It's basically an LE 2.0. Lame
I'm perfectly happy with my Premium. I think I might add a 1 of 1 placard with all the mods I've done.
Absolutely love mine!!!!
I like the 90s version.
Nailed it
I don’t think this is the worst move ever, it’s basically equivalent to a vault release. I’m sure they could sell more trons, ghostbusters, walking dead, stranger things, and a few others if they still had the license. I home cgc takes note, cause 15-20k for a medieval madness (used) is just that when it was 8-9k new.
In regards to jjp and WoZ, I chose the green one, I thought it looked the best, makes no difference to me that there are a red and gold ‘le’ version also
2k mando topper and ass ugly Godzilla toppers r way more irritating
All good. Just keep making $7000 pros for me and pay the bills with LE sales.
$7000 for a pro is too much already - and just wait for the next price hike which will put them over 8k with tax. Why even have a premium at this point? There are no pros in existence that can justify 7k and up , you can literally push them around with one hand they are so light and empty.
@@hypnotankIf $7000 is still too much definitely go to the used market. There is nothing new that is cheaper.
Least the code got updated.
And yet the sold out. Proving once again that even rich people wont stand up to inflated and unreasonable prices.
A premium for 13k.....yay
Seems like the whales are rewarding this kind of behavior and screwing the rest of us over.
Glad I’m not only one bothered by the spinosaurus. I feel like the release of the 30th and having LE art on the home edition really takes away the specialness of the LE. I’m a premium owner and still like that art the best, but find the 30th better than the LE. That code drop was nice, but I wonder if Stern is withholding code to distract from high priced anniversary releases.
9500 maybe
Did you dye your hair black?
nah, it was still wet from my shower.
And by new “art” you meant new large overpriced decals 😂
Thx Cary for telling it like it is. I feel cheated now that capitalism has taken over (with this 30th anniversary JP)...and now my Jurassic Park L.E. is probably worth little to nothing!
Keep the content flowing bro!
Your LE is still worth a pretty penny, man!
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I agree it's shit for me
Le means nothing
What some call a “cash grab,” others call a business turning a profit so that they can continue to develop new pinball machines that we all love.
Yes, every products purpose is to turn a profit. The trick is to make it seem like the customer is getting their money's worth. This rollout is lazy, and I don't see the 13K price tag being fairly justified.
@CaryHardy, I don't see why not? It gives the consumer an opportunity to own an LE that they may not have been able to buy on the first 500, and it now equals the 1000 they build nowadays. You might not feel it's worth it, but many feel other LE's aren't worth it. It's just your opinion. I'm not much of a betting man, but I'll bet you this game does just fine long-term. I thought it was smart on Sterns part.
People forget that if it was not for Stern Pinball; there would not be a new pinball machine hobby today.. Everyone has the option to buy , or not to buy.. We should all be thanking Stern these days. They kept the business alive for over 10 years .
So, since they kept the business alive, we should praise everything they do?
without Stern , you would not have a great hobby to complain about. So, yes you should be kind of grateful, and not be so hard on them. Of coarse it is upsetting to see premiums increasing in value by 40-50% over the past few years, and being stripped of shakers, and powder coated armor. Of. coarse it is upsetting that they use a cheaper grade of wood in the pro missions than they use in premiums machines amongst other things, however making a special edition game because there is a demand for it should not be so upsetting. It is not a money grab. It is a different LE machine that may or may not be a good investment down the road, and surely will not decrease in value over the next 5 years or so. There are not things these days that hold their values as pinball machines do. Stern Pinball has a lot to do with that, so I am just saying that you are being a little harsh.Ten years ago or so; they were the only ones making pinball machines. So, pretty much everyone currently enjoying the hobby, or getting into this great hobby has Stern to thank for it. There is no arguing that. Is the company perfect ??? Definitely not. Are they too concerned with efficiency and cutting costs ? Definitely ! If you want to call something a money grab, point at the Elvira game from a couple of years ago, or point towards the 007 that recently came out, which was upwards of $20,000 , and people cant get rid of them fast enough...
@@CaryHardy
i'm seeing the prices as $13,999 not 13k, don't fall for that marketing psychology cary lol.
my gratitude for the code update to anyone who buys the 30th, you are the real MVPs. I hope they make a 31st.