This album is more an experience than anything else. When I listen to it, I imagine a grumpy, old, grandpa Roger Waters, sitting on a campfire with his grandsons, with a guitar on his hands and telling stories of his life while some chords were sounding, and here and there, between stories, he sang an old Pink Floyd song…
I really doubt if Roger Waters himself knew what he wanted to with this...Spoken poetry with TDSOTM landscapes behind it? Trying to create a Kid A version of it? He just wanted to annoy Dave and Nick? Nobody knows, nobody understands...Great review.
@@richardjohnson3665 - I think that this is the all time long debate, who wrote the song? The guy who had the idea, who wrote the first riff, first bit of vocal melody (in Pink Floyd in many cases Waters) or the people who arrange it, made it grow, made the songs to sound as they did on record (in many cases Gilmour, Wright and Mason) - well for my it is always both. The problem is Waters says it is all his, when without the other guys (and producers, additional musicians etc etc) it clearly is not what it was, and this is the sad part as all the music of Pink Floyd would not happen without any of those guys.
When DSOM was a brand new LP, my friends went to see them live (I was not old enough). They regaled me with stories about the show in great detail. In one anecdote, my late friend Tom explained how, when the band and the singers were reaching the climax of The Great Gig in the Sky, that precise moment was the most important thing that ever happened to him in his life up until that point. I can't imagine a single soul saying that about this monstrosity.
If I had to sum it up with one word, that word would be "meh". I'm a fan of Waters' solo albums but it speaks volumes about his ego that he removed all the best parts of the music.
I thought I'd listen to the full album here on RUclips first before deciding to buy a copy or not. Even RUclips said "nah f*** that" and crashed on me 3 songs in.
Just imagine, if three old men could bury the hatchet, put on 2 or 3 performances of the album, record it, put it out on the usual formats and give all the proceeds to a well deserved charity? That would have been a good celebration of the album's 50th anniversary. But no, we get a ridiculously overpriced boxset from one camp and an ego-centric remake from the other.
So what he actually did with the booklet was trying to acknowledge that the original instruments by David and Rick are essential elements of the original work. But he still failed to mention their, let's say, angelic voices - as if they only played and never sang anything.
This is kind of the icing on the cake. He has been milking the PF legacy forever, a fine legacy, certainly. But he really can't see past his own nose; the guy can't open his mouth anymore without quoting himself. To the UN. On social media. Spray paint on the wall of the West Bank. Every thought, every pronouncement, every open letter, every interview, he's got to cite some lyric he wrote 50 or more years ago. And now an entire redux of an entire album. This 'fond' look back - this dude's been looking back for half a century! Talk about "running over the same old ground". McCartney might play a lot of Beatles tunes live, but he's got 3 times the material to draw on since 1970. So does Neil Young. Hell, so does Cher at this point. Surely I'm not the only one who's noticed that it took a full 25 years after Amused to Death for him to scrounge together another LP of original material with Is This the Life We Really Want? (he didn't actually write Ça Ira). We get it: I am you and what I see is me. The memories of a man in his old age. We don't need no thought control. Hey! (insert politician du jour): leave (insert cause du jour) alone! Man, Rog, just stop already. We heard you the first time. Give it a freakin' rest, will ya? You're not enhancing the legacy; you're diminishing it.
The Lunatic Is On The Album, that is all I have to say, this album will go down the same way as the 1998 Psycho remake, an unnecessary retelling of a classic piece of art, that will outlive its remake and all of us currently living.
Born in 71, with a brother 10 yrs older, I've heard this album for along as I can remember music, with that being said, I wouldn't even listen to this. I don't need to. For new listeners, why not. I'd strongly advise any of these people who like it to listen to the original.
From a music point of view (not a political / prose one) , if this came out in 1973 Pink Floyd would have died off and the world would be a FAR worse place for it - imagine no 'wish you were here' nor 'The Wall' . IMHO. Lucky for Roger that things were different and 45 million copies worldwide were sold (to 2021). I was fascinated and I have listened to this whole album, no urge to repeat, quite a different reaction to 1973 when I bought the 'other' groundbreaking music version. On listening my brain inserted the riffs and harmonies the other band members had etched indelibly in my mind, an odd experience. Maybe Roger can move on now with his huge talent (maybe take a happy pill)....... "Money" I'll probably play again......I did like the new drum sound, very similar to the end of Blackstar /Bowie. - anyone know what he says at 2:04 final track....'I'll tell you one thing', something something ?
I fell asleep in the middle of the album... my god, i just gave the desire to listen the original again and again and again, you are right, if this where a live version as tribute, it will work better, but no like this. This is will be a forgotten album
A pointless album from a bitter man. He should just embrace his legacy, before he loses all credibility. It took 4 people to make this album what it was..... Please Roger stop this and embrace what you were.
Not only 4 - the talent of a certain Mr Alan Parsons also had a lot to do with what it turned out sonically. He put his unparalleled magic to it as a sound engineer, not limited to the recording of the “Time” clocks but the whole sonic balance, Alan also proposed to use Clare Torry for The Great Gig In The Sky because he knew her from former session. So it could actually be said that it was essentially the work of mainly 6 people (if we consider that the background vocalists could have been replaced and didn’t have a real creative input).
First off, I agree with your review 100% and particularly your idea of recording the one-off event rather than the album in this context. I’d like to add a couple of observations: Roger doesn’t play base on the album (one exception he co-plays on any colour you like), a guy named Gus Seyffert does. Seyffert is also listed as co-producer. Nobody plays drums. It’s a drum machine. Besides the music, Roger also eliminated the concept which included the background voices, the cash register, etc. So basically, all that’s left is an old guy reading poetry with a back beat and incidental music. And a lot of the incidental music is played on a theremin!
My initial impression is that this was a cynical and thinly veiled excuse for hijacking clicks away from Pink Floyd and to himself, because he's got such contempt for the other members of Floyd that he can't be generous enough to acknowledge that the original was a group effort.
I agree with the fact that this should have been a run of live sets instead of this. Now that he's re-recorded DSOTM, what are the chances of him redoing The Wall so that it can be completely his (even though it mostly was to begin with)?
The best song on the album isn't his, I bet that irks him a lot. It hints at how good The Wall could have been if he'd lessened his dictatorial grip on proceedings. The way the album sounds isn't just down to him. We've all heard the demo tapes.
Where’s the problem ? Why are you comparing ? One is from a 30 year old man and the other version is from an 80 year old man…. Completely different perspective ! Everyone that doesn’t like it; is probably too young to appreciate it as it was intended. Being 63; I was 13 years old when this album came out… obviously my perspective has changed over the years; and so has Roger waters. So now we have two different version. Listen to the one you like… the last version has not erased the previous version ! So where’s the problem. You like the new version; you buy it You don’t; then keep listening to the original… IT’S STILL THERE !
@10.55 Can someone please clarify as this is bugging me... "He wrote DSOTM"..? Ok, even Rog says that. He wrote the lyrics, Agreed Certainly not (all) the music.Just read the credits on the back of the original, which was an album made up of Lyrics and Music. Time (All 4 were credited) U + T (Rick and Rog........I bet Rick wrote the music on that one) TGGITS (Rick Wright ....later Clare Torry.....no Waters in sight here)
I'm with you, Darren. I didn't care for it. All the dynamics, and empathy of the original have been lost in this Redux. For me, it felt like a flat, atonal, self-important, monotonous dirge.
Roger has become a nut job. Hes obsessed with his legacy as a song writer and his song writing is shadowed by Davids great guitar playing, which it is. He’s an ok song writer , not as great as he thinks he is . He’s just jealous that David Gilmour is a better ( understatement) guitarist than (he Roger) is a song writer and he can’t get over that. Roger Waters is overrated in his own mind.
I guess with Roger re-doing Dark Side, The Beatles Now and Then money grab, and The Stones new album, 2023 is the year of the old timers last gasp. Of the three The Stones clearly come out on top.
I would rather check out that Tom Stoppard Radio Play Dark Side of The Moon again. Time was ok. Album wise I feel nothing and Roger’s poetry felt redundant where it came out of a completely different project.
The sheer beauty of the real „the great gig in the sky“ is slaughtered. Completely destroyed. This is the worst of many reasons for better ignoring the „redux“. I don’t like it at all.
whats there to regret? the more the better, Yes it's different from the original but thats a good thing, I don't think it was ever intented to be a replacement or to be better than.
@@mattzucchini5075 It has been made very clear that is not the intention. It is however a very boring and tedious album and is very likely nothing more than the manifestation of mental illness.
I just heard the album, all the way I was thinking how much I’d rather hear the original. I have no use for this version, it got too much of the same same same..
I didn’t hate the album but nor did I really enjoy it. And I didn’t get the poetry or that letter reading. A bit too much spoken word for my liking, just sounded like my uncle talking over some hold-music.
Agreed Darren, I listened to it last night a few times. I liked it. But some of the songs don't work, others are great. The original is a masterclass. This is a companion piece in the same way I like The Stripped Down Double Fantasy by John Lennon and Let it Be Naked. But they are better. However I I had a few beers and a MJ and this album is pretty ok to listen to. I will probably not listen to it a lot more, but now and then.
No, this is actually not too bad ... but perhaps I have an open mind. It's pointless to compare it to the original. The way Waters has reworked Comfortably Numb for his live show gives you a clue. Yes, definitely a much darker angle. Start with "Speak To Me" and you'll hear the lyrics from "Free Four" from "Obscured By Clouds". Before too long I think "Us And Them" or will be played as nice background music at some cool cafes.
To me i fell this album could have been great. While DSOTM was looking at life from the perspective of some young guns who are trying to take the world on by storm. To me this would be perfect as a look back on 50 years of DSOTM. I feel if Gilmour and Mason, like Wright, have passed on then this would be perfect. But, seeing how Dave and Nick are doing their things and Rog talking about how this is the "true" DSOTM that he sees it, it seems more petty? i cant think of the right word but its kinda like awkward when looking at whats been happening with the fire between all the band members and whats happening in the world right now.
The only things I found remotely interesting about this album were some of the monologues in his poetic motif (not a lot though), and the story he told during great gig. Everything else is about exactly how I expected it to be, the songs stripped down, slower, and in a lower pitch. The album adds nothing new and lacks the grace and the magic from the original. At this point I’m just preaching the choir. It’s not good, pure and simple
Roger Waters is self indulgent. A bit like Jon Anderson or Pete Townsend, with a bigger ego. He often tries to punch above his weight and needs to be kept in check. Roger doing DSOTM without his former bandmates sounds ponderous and pretentious.
It goes without saying that every review of this album I've seen (about a half-dozen) has singled out the monologues as the one aspect that ruins the entire album. I'm not very good with hyperbole, imagery or symbolism, so I'll tell it straight: this album is shit. It's even a shit that's had a shit. That's not disputing his right to re-record it, but he has no more right to re-record it than, say, you have or I have. I can only imagine David Gilmour's reaction to this, not to mention Nick Mason, ever the peacemaker in the band. And if Richard Wright were here today, what wat he make of Waters' ruination of TGGitS? I would imagine if he were alive today, he'd turn in his grave. I was going to say the old ones are the best, but that would have to include Waters. He is NOT the genius he says he is. He's a good songwriter, but no genius. He had one lucky idea: The Wall. He needed the band to turn good into great. If he were a genius, would he have spent the best part of the last 40 years celebrating the work of Pink Floyd, instead of releasing genius after genius solo albums? Where are these genius solo works? Hitch Hiking? Radio KAOS? Amused to Death? Get out of here! This album, The Dark Side of the Moon Redux, makes Gilmour's On an Island sound like an Arctic Monkeys record. A snooze-fest of the highest proportions and one of the most misguided album releases of the 21st Century. It could have been so different, if only Waters' wretched ego hadn't gotten in the way. I'd say his ego is on the level of that of a dictator. x
well nick mason got to listen to it months ago already and he said it was "absolutely brilliant ... It's not anything that would be a spoiler for the original at all, it's an interesting add-on to the thing"
I like Waters solo stuff but the new DSOTM is very dull. Only heard 3 tracks but to me they all sound much the same as each other. Shame. Wasted opportunity.
I really wanted to like it… but it comes off as overindulgent and glorified poetry. All I see is a man so inflated by his own ego that ended up making bonus content meant for a box set into a full release.
I guess I have the ability to separate the two albums from each other. I consider this to be a new record, no relation to 1973. Once you can separate the two, this isnt so bad. I first listened to it when it was bedtime (I always go to sleep to a record) I guess alot of people must not like Leonard Cohen 😂😂 I should add, this is not a record you play before going to the club. Once you know what the record is, you will know when to play it, and when not to.
Agree. Just like the original, you need to listen to this all the way through. I loved hearing the lyrics from "Free Four" straight up in "Speak To Me". I think "Us And Them" is quite relaxing, and will find its way to some Spotify play list eventually. You gotta have an open mind.
It seems like nowadays roger is just talking more about politics and less about redux. I think he got the message that his reinterpretation of dsotm sucks
Hi there, I can't still decide whether I like it or not. Probably it's more like I like something here and something there. But one thing I want to ask you: in Mason's opinion is a good work. Why should he ever say such a thing? Do you think he's sincere when saying something like that?
It´s far from perfect, but I´ve been on a huge Roger Waters buzz lately, and framing it within his vision, I find it really interesting. There are points where I have needed to turn it off, I´ll be honest, but there´s an element flogging a dead horse about it that I find fascinating. The man has been banging this drum for 50 years or so, and despite that banging drum, if we look at the world at the moment, there´s an argument to say that we didn´t listen to his message and that of many of his peers. The stripping back of the bombast of the original is actually quite interesting, in getting that message across also and creates this strange cognitive dissonance feeling towards the original album, whereby you begin to question whether it should have been so bombastic or melodic considering the themes that were at play. Of course that´s completely bonkers, but it´s an interesting feeling. I´ve alway just accepted DSOTM as pure perfection and ths throws an unusual spanner in the works. I´m seeing it as a reevaluation of sorts, yes it´s egocentric, but it´s not selling out like every other artist on the planet these days. It´s definitely an album from a human who is of his age, who is on a different timewave in some ways, the modern human probably doesn´t have the patience for this stuff anymore, but maybe therein lies the issue. That´s my 2 cents of rambling for what it´s worth.
the great gig in the sky , most excellent , between the robins shell to the dragonfly corpse we glide maybe along the one road,,,,,,, which version of dark side are you going to come back to , the scratchy original, the CD, Blue Ray, the latest reissue, This version gives you a little more to chew on, after 50 years
Thing is, on the original he doesnt have a credit on every song, so this was his ego way of having credit for every track, it sounds flat, boring, no dynamics and takes away from the original, every time listen to the original now Ill think of the idiot that wrote it, and it loses some of its charm, his arrogance of saying he was going to take out all the silly guitar bits, is madness, he really thinks people only listened to the original for his words, when I was young listening to it on headphones after a 'smoke' sorry but it was the music I loved. as for the doing it live idea, that would have been better, but the new Floyd did that on Pulse, and he did tour doing DSOTM, but never released it.
He tries to take take Rick out of Us and Them and focuses on the Eugene like bass but it's still Rick's Violent Sequence no matter how he adulterates it. He even threw a Beatles cameo into it for luck. It's musical vandalism is what it is, demolition even. A great big wrecking ball smashing through everything magical about the original.
It was Rick's keyboard harmonies in 'Us and Them' that introduced me to the Floyd all those years ago. I thought, 'Damn, that's good!' IMO, the DSOTM was built around U&T.
Pink Floyd is wimpy soft rock for pretentious posers. It's where rock lost it's balls and went into tree hugging fairy land. The music is so boring the fans have to take drugs to manage to make it to the end of an album.
Pink Floyd were around before most of your hand banging hard rock bands. Led Zep, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and co did that stuff better, and Pink Floyd did what they do and followed a different path. Pink Floyd is just not for you so why don’t you leave it there without the macho shite? Soft rock it ain’t, and you require brains not balls to appreciate Floyd, maybe you have banged yours out at a Status Quo gig, as I have got through all the Floyd albums each multiple times (can’t get through the album we are supposed to be commenting on though), and I never done any drugs, nor am I a poser. You would have found plenty of those attending your metal gigs, making out they are tough and macho🤣
Time for Rog to go to the Fletcher Memorial Home. A bitter old ego hoping to fleece us. It's sad. Goodbye Roger and goodnight.
It has all the energy of an infant’s funeral.
Hilarious.not....have you got kids ?
rarely have I agreed with your reviews so completely. Its as if you read my mind!
Darren, I totaly agree with you. Thanks for your sharing your thoughts.
The sadist in me was really looking forward to this! I didn't get as savage a review as I expected - but for that: more respect to you, Darren.
This album is more an experience than anything else. When I listen to it, I imagine a grumpy, old, grandpa Roger Waters, sitting on a campfire with his grandsons, with a guitar on his hands and telling stories of his life while some chords were sounding, and here and there, between stories, he sang an old Pink Floyd song…
I really doubt if Roger Waters himself knew what he wanted to with this...Spoken poetry with TDSOTM landscapes behind it? Trying to create a Kid A version of it? He just wanted to annoy Dave and Nick? Nobody knows, nobody understands...Great review.
Waters did not “write” Dark Side. Waters wrote the lyrics for Dark Side. Most of the music was written by Gilmour/Wright/Mason.
Tell Waters that, eh? 😂😂😂
I thought Waters wrote the Money demo. Wait is the Gilmour brigade re-writing history?
@@richardjohnson3665 - I think that this is the all time long debate, who wrote the song? The guy who had the idea, who wrote the first riff, first bit of vocal melody (in Pink Floyd in many cases Waters) or the people who arrange it, made it grow, made the songs to sound as they did on record (in many cases Gilmour, Wright and Mason) - well for my it is always both.
The problem is Waters says it is all his, when without the other guys (and producers, additional musicians etc etc) it clearly is not what it was, and this is the sad part as all the music of Pink Floyd would not happen without any of those guys.
When DSOM was a brand new LP, my friends went to see them live (I was not old enough). They regaled me with stories about the show in great detail. In one anecdote, my late friend Tom explained how, when the band and the singers were reaching the climax of The Great Gig in the Sky, that precise moment was the most important thing that ever happened to him in his life up until that point. I can't imagine a single soul saying that about this monstrosity.
This is the album you get if Mr Miseryguts is the artist
If I had to sum it up with one word, that word would be "meh". I'm a fan of Waters' solo albums but it speaks volumes about his ego that he removed all the best parts of the music.
I thought I'd listen to the full album here on RUclips first before deciding to buy a copy or not. Even RUclips said "nah f*** that" and crashed on me 3 songs in.
Just imagine, if three old men could bury the hatchet, put on 2 or 3 performances of the album, record it, put it out on the usual formats and give all the proceeds to a well deserved charity? That would have been a good celebration of the album's 50th anniversary. But no, we get a ridiculously overpriced boxset from one camp and an ego-centric remake from the other.
Imagine, eh…
So what he actually did with the booklet was trying to acknowledge that the original instruments by David and Rick are essential elements of the original work. But he still failed to mention their, let's say, angelic voices - as if they only played and never sang anything.
This is kind of the icing on the cake. He has been milking the PF legacy forever, a fine legacy, certainly. But he really can't see past his own nose; the guy can't open his mouth anymore without quoting himself. To the UN. On social media. Spray paint on the wall of the West Bank. Every thought, every pronouncement, every open letter, every interview, he's got to cite some lyric he wrote 50 or more years ago. And now an entire redux of an entire album. This 'fond' look back - this dude's been looking back for half a century! Talk about "running over the same old ground". McCartney might play a lot of Beatles tunes live, but he's got 3 times the material to draw on since 1970. So does Neil Young. Hell, so does Cher at this point. Surely I'm not the only one who's noticed that it took a full 25 years after Amused to Death for him to scrounge together another LP of original material with Is This the Life We Really Want? (he didn't actually write Ça Ira). We get it: I am you and what I see is me. The memories of a man in his old age. We don't need no thought control. Hey! (insert politician du jour): leave (insert cause du jour) alone! Man, Rog, just stop already. We heard you the first time. Give it a freakin' rest, will ya? You're not enhancing the legacy; you're diminishing it.
It would have been good to have a live version released from his 2007 tour. 'Cos that was good....
100% agreement
The Lunatic Is On The Album, that is all I have to say, this album will go down the same way as the 1998 Psycho remake, an unnecessary retelling of a classic piece of art, that will outlive its remake and all of us currently living.
Waters has lost the plot he has ruined the Pink Floyd legacy
Nonsense
@@brucehazen8982 He has why would he want to re record the greatest album of all time and turn into a Leonard cohen sound like album
Born in 71, with a brother 10 yrs older, I've heard this album for along as I can remember music, with that being said, I wouldn't even listen to this. I don't need to.
For new listeners, why not. I'd strongly advise any of these people who like it to listen to the original.
From a music point of view (not a political / prose one) , if this came out in 1973 Pink Floyd would have died off and the world would be a FAR worse place for it - imagine no 'wish you were here' nor 'The Wall' . IMHO. Lucky for Roger that things were different and 45 million copies worldwide were sold (to 2021). I was fascinated and I have listened to this whole album, no urge to repeat, quite a different reaction to 1973 when I bought the 'other' groundbreaking music version. On listening my brain inserted the riffs and harmonies the other band members had etched indelibly in my mind, an odd experience. Maybe Roger can move on now with his huge talent (maybe take a happy pill)....... "Money" I'll probably play again......I did like the new drum sound, very similar to the end of Blackstar /Bowie. - anyone know what he says at 2:04 final track....'I'll tell you one thing', something something ?
Critics are calling this album everything from "sh*t" to "f*cking sh*t"
😂😂😂
I seem to remember "the critics" were critical of pretty much every Pink Floyd album.
I fell asleep in the middle of the album... my god, i just gave the desire to listen the original again and again and again, you are right, if this where a live version as tribute, it will work better, but no like this.
This is will be a forgotten album
Well said
The only way I can understand this new take, is as part of the project "EVERYWHERE AT THE END OF TIME " by The Caretaker.
A pointless album from a bitter man. He should just embrace his legacy, before he loses all credibility. It took 4 people to make this album what it was.....
Please Roger stop this and embrace what you were.
Not only 4 - the talent of a certain Mr Alan Parsons also had a lot to do with what it turned out sonically. He put his unparalleled magic to it as a sound engineer, not limited to the recording of the “Time” clocks but the whole sonic balance, Alan also proposed to use Clare Torry for The Great Gig In The Sky because he knew her from former session. So it could actually be said that it was essentially the work of mainly 6 people (if we consider that the background vocalists could have been replaced and didn’t have a real creative input).
First off, I agree with your review 100% and particularly your idea of recording the one-off event rather than the album in this context. I’d like to add a couple of observations:
Roger doesn’t play base on the album (one exception he co-plays on any colour you like), a guy named Gus Seyffert does. Seyffert is also listed as co-producer.
Nobody plays drums. It’s a drum machine.
Besides the music, Roger also eliminated the concept which included the background voices, the cash register, etc.
So basically, all that’s left is an old guy reading poetry with a back beat and incidental music. And a lot of the incidental music is played on a theremin!
My initial impression is that this was a cynical and thinly veiled excuse for hijacking clicks away from Pink Floyd and to himself, because he's got such contempt for the other members of Floyd that he can't be generous enough to acknowledge that the original was a group effort.
I agree with the fact that this should have been a run of live sets instead of this. Now that he's re-recorded DSOTM, what are the chances of him redoing The Wall so that it can be completely his (even though it mostly was to begin with)?
The best song on the album isn't his, I bet that irks him a lot. It hints at how good The Wall could have been if he'd lessened his dictatorial grip on proceedings. The way the album sounds isn't just down to him. We've all heard the demo tapes.
Where’s the problem ? Why are you comparing ? One is from a 30 year old man and the other version is from an 80 year old man…. Completely different perspective ! Everyone that doesn’t like it; is probably too young to appreciate it as it was intended.
Being 63; I was 13 years old when this album came out… obviously my perspective has changed over the years; and so has Roger waters. So now we have two different version. Listen to the one you like… the last version has not erased the previous version !
So where’s the problem.
You like the new version; you buy it
You don’t; then keep listening to the original… IT’S STILL THERE !
You know it’s more about Waters reclaiming the album for himself… 🙄
@10.55
Can someone please clarify as this is bugging me...
"He wrote DSOTM"..? Ok, even Rog says that.
He wrote the lyrics, Agreed
Certainly not (all) the music.Just read the credits on the back of the original, which was an album made up of Lyrics and Music.
Time (All 4 were credited)
U + T (Rick and Rog........I bet Rick wrote the music on that one)
TGGITS (Rick Wright ....later Clare Torry.....no Waters in sight here)
Firstly, I was joking and just quoting what RW says. DSOTM was a collaborative effort.
It's just dark side unplugged ya a good man old boy ✌
I'm with you, Darren. I didn't care for it. All the dynamics, and empathy of the original have been lost in this Redux. For me, it felt like a flat, atonal, self-important, monotonous dirge.
Roger has become a nut job. Hes obsessed with his legacy as a song writer and his song writing is shadowed by Davids great guitar playing, which it is. He’s an ok song writer , not as great as he thinks he is . He’s just jealous that David Gilmour is a better ( understatement) guitarist than (he Roger) is a song writer and he can’t get over that. Roger Waters is overrated in his own mind.
I guess with Roger re-doing Dark Side, The Beatles Now and Then money grab, and The Stones new album, 2023 is the year of the old timers last gasp. Of the three The Stones clearly come out on top.
I would rather check out that Tom Stoppard Radio Play Dark Side of The Moon again. Time was ok. Album wise I feel nothing and Roger’s poetry felt redundant where it came out of a completely different project.
The sheer beauty of the real „the great gig in the sky“ is slaughtered. Completely destroyed. This is the worst of many reasons for better ignoring the „redux“. I don’t like it at all.
You got that right. Great Gig always gives me goosebumps. Roger's version makes me say, "are you shiting me"? WTF?
I like the album cover. That's it.
I hope Mr. Waters lives long enough to regret his last two tours and last 4 releases.
Horrible comment you prick.
whats there to regret? the more the better, Yes it's different from the original but thats a good thing, I don't think it was ever intented to be a replacement or to be better than.
@@mattzucchini5075 It has been made very clear that is not the intention. It is however a very boring and tedious album and is very likely nothing more than the manifestation of mental illness.
We all say “I don’t believe it” to this by Roger who is the Victor Meldew of rock.
I just heard the album, all the way I was thinking how much I’d rather hear the original. I have no use for this version, it got too much of the same same same..
The real tragedy here is the fact Roger didn’t just record the album over wizard of Oz for real this time. Would have been the perfect opportunity…
I didn’t hate the album but nor did I really enjoy it. And I didn’t get the poetry or that letter reading. A bit too much spoken word for my liking, just sounded like my uncle talking over some hold-music.
Agreed Darren, I listened to it last night a few times. I liked it. But some of the songs don't work, others are great. The original is a masterclass. This is a companion piece in the same way I like The Stripped Down Double Fantasy by John Lennon and Let it Be Naked. But they are better. However I I had a few beers and a MJ and this album is pretty ok to listen to. I will probably not listen to it a lot more, but now and then.
Terrible album, why? Is he trying to declare ownership. Without the rest of the band DSM would not exist.
Doesn't Redux actually settle the debate over whose TDSOTM really was? A bit of a shot in the foot, perhaps?
Yup...
What's next for Roger's ego fueled mind you ask? A redo of Animals.
Oh my god.
Ummagumma
@@thirdcoast5755 Blasphemy. Ha ha
No, this is actually not too bad ... but perhaps I have an open mind. It's pointless to compare it to the original. The way Waters has reworked Comfortably Numb for his live show gives you a clue. Yes, definitely a much darker angle. Start with "Speak To Me" and you'll hear the lyrics from "Free Four" from "Obscured By Clouds". Before too long I think "Us And Them" or will be played as nice background music at some cool cafes.
Thanks Darren and I'll be saving my pennies by not buying it.
If you like Floyd and Waters, buy it. Its not that bad
To me i fell this album could have been great. While DSOTM was looking at life from the perspective of some young guns who are trying to take the world on by storm. To me this would be perfect as a look back on 50 years of DSOTM. I feel if Gilmour and Mason, like Wright, have passed on then this would be perfect. But, seeing how Dave and Nick are doing their things and Rog talking about how this is the "true" DSOTM that he sees it, it seems more petty? i cant think of the right word but its kinda like awkward when looking at whats been happening with the fire between all the band members and whats happening in the world right now.
So glad I didn’t pre order this 🙄
The only things I found remotely interesting about this album were some of the monologues in his poetic motif (not a lot though), and the story he told during great gig.
Everything else is about exactly how I expected it to be, the songs stripped down, slower, and in a lower pitch. The album adds nothing new and lacks the grace and the magic from the original. At this point I’m just preaching the choir. It’s not good, pure and simple
DSOTM with a nice,twist of lyrics from Obscured By Clouds...weird to hear words/lyric from Free Four on Speak To Me😂✌️🍻🤟🍻
I liked the album way more than i thought i would....but it will never be better than the original
Roger Waters is self indulgent. A bit like Jon Anderson or Pete Townsend, with a bigger ego. He often tries to punch above his weight and needs to be kept in check. Roger doing DSOTM without his former bandmates sounds ponderous and pretentious.
It goes without saying that every review of this album I've seen (about a half-dozen) has singled out the monologues as the one aspect that ruins the entire album. I'm not very good with hyperbole, imagery or symbolism, so I'll tell it straight: this album is shit. It's even a shit that's had a shit. That's not disputing his right to re-record it, but he has no more right to re-record it than, say, you have or I have. I can only imagine David Gilmour's reaction to this, not to mention Nick Mason, ever the peacemaker in the band. And if Richard Wright were here today, what wat he make of Waters' ruination of TGGitS? I would imagine if he were alive today, he'd turn in his grave. I was going to say the old ones are the best, but that would have to include Waters. He is NOT the genius he says he is. He's a good songwriter, but no genius. He had one lucky idea: The Wall. He needed the band to turn good into great. If he were a genius, would he have spent the best part of the last 40 years celebrating the work of Pink Floyd, instead of releasing genius after genius solo albums? Where are these genius solo works? Hitch Hiking? Radio KAOS? Amused to Death? Get out of here! This album, The Dark Side of the Moon Redux, makes Gilmour's On an Island sound like an Arctic Monkeys record. A snooze-fest of the highest proportions and one of the most misguided album releases of the 21st Century. It could have been so different, if only Waters' wretched ego hadn't gotten in the way. I'd say his ego is on the level of that of a dictator. x
It is indeed utter and total shit…but I was trying to be diplomatic… 🙄
well nick mason got to listen to it months ago already and he said it was "absolutely brilliant ... It's not anything that would be a spoiler for the original at all, it's an interesting add-on to the thing"
I imagine if you kneed Nick Mason in the bollocks, he'd say it was "absolutely brilliant"...
That line of yours is a beauty - 'If he (Rick Wright) were alive today, he'd be turning in his grave.'
Beautifully put, Sir
I did not like Dark Side redux, plain and simple
I like Waters solo stuff but the new DSOTM is very dull. Only heard 3 tracks but to me they all sound much the same as each other. Shame. Wasted opportunity.
I really wanted to like it… but it comes off as overindulgent and glorified poetry. All I see is a man so inflated by his own ego that ended up making bonus content meant for a box set into a full release.
It is what it is. !
A steaming Turd from Whispering Roger and the lack of Floyd tones.
I guess I have the ability to separate the two albums from each other. I consider this to be a new record, no relation to 1973. Once you can separate the two, this isnt so bad. I first listened to it when it was bedtime (I always go to sleep to a record) I guess alot of people must not like Leonard Cohen 😂😂 I should add, this is not a record you play before going to the club. Once you know what the record is, you will know when to play it, and when not to.
Yes, two separate albums. One is a classic album, the other a poor facsimile. 👍
Agree. Just like the original, you need to listen to this all the way through. I loved hearing the lyrics from "Free Four" straight up in "Speak To Me". I think "Us And Them" is quite relaxing, and will find its way to some Spotify play list eventually. You gotta have an open mind.
It seems like nowadays roger is just talking more about politics and less about redux. I think he got the message that his reinterpretation of dsotm sucks
Confusion will..let u finish the
Great comment! Come back when your special brain medicine kicks in...
Good review, Darren. Praise you to have the patience to listen to this and be objective and concise. It’s not for me, from any angle. Cheers.
Hi there, I can't still decide whether I like it or not. Probably it's more like I like something here and something there. But one thing I want to ask you: in Mason's opinion is a good work. Why should he ever say such a thing? Do you think he's sincere when saying something like that?
Mason likes an easy life…
Very interesting review anyway. I appreciate your style and your honesty. Thank you.
I actually enjoyed it, but then I am also a leonard cohen fan
This and steven Wilson new releases are bland and boring pure hubris
It´s far from perfect, but I´ve been on a huge Roger Waters buzz lately, and framing it within his vision, I find it really interesting. There are points where I have needed to turn it off, I´ll be honest, but there´s an element flogging a dead horse about it that I find fascinating. The man has been banging this drum for 50 years or so, and despite that banging drum, if we look at the world at the moment, there´s an argument to say that we didn´t listen to his message and that of many of his peers. The stripping back of the bombast of the original is actually quite interesting, in getting that message across also and creates this strange cognitive dissonance feeling towards the original album, whereby you begin to question whether it should have been so bombastic or melodic considering the themes that were at play. Of course that´s completely bonkers, but it´s an interesting feeling. I´ve alway just accepted DSOTM as pure perfection and ths throws an unusual spanner in the works. I´m seeing it as a reevaluation of sorts, yes it´s egocentric, but it´s not selling out like every other artist on the planet these days. It´s definitely an album from a human who is of his age, who is on a different timewave in some ways, the modern human probably doesn´t have the patience for this stuff anymore, but maybe therein lies the issue. That´s my 2 cents of rambling for what it´s worth.
the great gig in the sky , most excellent , between the robins shell to the dragonfly corpse we glide maybe along the one road,,,,,,, which version of dark side are you going to come back to , the scratchy original, the CD, Blue Ray, the latest reissue, This version gives you a little more to chew on, after 50 years
Thing is, on the original he doesnt have a credit on every song, so this was his ego way of having credit for every track, it sounds flat, boring, no dynamics and takes away from the original, every time listen to the original now Ill think of the idiot that wrote it, and it loses some of its charm, his arrogance of saying he was going to take out all the silly guitar bits, is madness, he really thinks people only listened to the original for his words, when I was young listening to it on headphones after a 'smoke' sorry but it was the music I loved. as for the doing it live idea, that would have been better, but the new Floyd did that on Pulse, and he did tour doing DSOTM, but never released it.
He tries to take take Rick out of Us and Them and focuses on the Eugene like bass but it's still Rick's Violent Sequence no matter how he adulterates it. He even threw a Beatles cameo into it for luck. It's musical vandalism is what it is, demolition even. A great big wrecking ball smashing through everything magical about the original.
It was Rick's keyboard harmonies in 'Us and Them' that introduced me to the Floyd all those years ago. I thought, 'Damn, that's good!'
IMO, the DSOTM was built around U&T.
Pink Floyd is wimpy soft rock for pretentious posers. It's where rock lost it's balls and went into tree hugging fairy land. The music is so boring the fans have to take drugs to manage to make it to the end of an album.
You like Britney Spears and go to Village People like nightclubs.
Pink Floyd were around before most of your hand banging hard rock bands. Led Zep, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and co did that stuff better, and Pink Floyd did what they do and followed a different path. Pink Floyd is just not for you so why don’t you leave it there without the macho shite?
Soft rock it ain’t, and you require brains not balls to appreciate Floyd, maybe you have banged yours out at a Status Quo gig, as I have got through all the Floyd albums each multiple times (can’t get through the album we are supposed to be commenting on though), and I never done any drugs, nor am I a poser. You would have found plenty of those attending your metal gigs, making out they are tough and macho🤣
Posers!????😂😂😂