The Unused Concepts Of Spider-Man
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Everything That Was Cut From Spider-Man (2002)
What elements ended up being cut from Sam Raimi's original Spider-Man film? Join me today as I attempt to look over almost all the unused content.
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It’s pretty funny and awesome how nearly every concept artist tried to make this a horror movie lmao
When you have THE Sam Raimi as your director it’s hard not to
I mean...this is a movie about a guy mutating into a half spider hybrid and fighting a goblin. Directed by Sam Raimi. I can see why they went for a horror angle lmao.
Yeah, i think the artists gravitated towards darker-grittier styled stuff because its live action and they prolly thought lighter sillier comic-booky looks wouldn't work, but oh boy they were wrong and I'm glad nobody listened to them back then. IMO that's the main reason why any given sucky comic book movie sucks, I mean look at DC.
@@istoleyourcoffee Ironically enough, Sam was probably the guy who made the film as faithful to the comics as it was. Having grown up reading Spider-Man comics as a kid, he made the utmost effort to recreate the original Stan Lee/Steve Ditko run he was most familiar with. Had if it been another director in charge, they probably would’ve went with something similar to Bryan Singer’s X-Men and the superhero genre would forever be changed.
@@Zionswasd I don’t know man, Dark Knight trilogy and infinity war were very good. They were both dark, but still had jokes and amazing comic book interpretations
Holy shit...that goblin mask looked awesome asf! It looked as if it belonged in a evil dead film lol!
Yeah I would have wanted that to be the final cut
How it should have been.. but 2001 2002 were very very sensitive times... let's just say it certain things didn't happen the spiderman movies we would have got would have been spitting image from the 90s McFarlane comics. It was still very beautiful the movie cause it just felt right not fake
Well sam raimi does direct the evil dead before
@@wxaviere1 The 2000's weren't sensitive times. Idk where you getting that+that Goblin mask looked goofy as hell.
@@Gideon13397 ...... I rest my case.
Ok Gideon..2001...dog... the trade towers just got knocked down. We just lost over two thousand six hundred and six people at the WTC alone and more on our own soil and more die each day even now from the events at the that took place that day..Our president then was reading stories to kids and looking lost for about 2 mins straight after he was told because security checks should have been raised months before that happened but weren't...things like that...This is what I mean. Sensitive back then compared to Sensitive now means two different things. The phrase or meme "we are not the same" truly applies here to what we think of when using the word sensitive fam.
Goblin in NWH actually kinda looks like a couple of those concepts
They made a 180 turn and we're back with the goggles.
yeah, it looked dumb
I think some of them look cool.
That’s because it’s the same character and actor and universe lol
@@thelegend948 wow man such a smartass lol 😂
I love the web shooters as they demonstrate Peter’s scientific genius, however it is kinda weird how he wouldn’t get organic webbing with the powers from the Spider. So I don’t mind either way really.
I can see why they didn't go with web shooters. Organic webbing is more practical. They wouldn't need to have scene where Tobey is building his web shooters and the props department doesn't need to design it either if Tobey has organic webbing. Plus, it might've looked bulky with the CGI from 2002.
It still wouldnt make sense that they come out of his wrists, like wouldnt slinging hurt his skin or the web producing organs if he tore them so much? I prefer the mechanical web shooter version of this power
@@CharmedReally7 okay this take makes noo sense
@@zachdavis7234 how?
@The Manager you can see him grabbing his webs in the movies so it’s not like he’s just swinging without holding his webs and dangling from his wrists he quickly grabs the web and starts swinging, but yeah there are good questions like how long can he shoot his webs for or do they only have a certain length for each web shot? Curious
I've always liked the organic web shooters, and was shocked to learn that they aren't what most spidey's have.
I was just explaining to my friend yesterday that most spider men don’t have organic webbing. He was shocked too 😂
Definitely shocked me as a kid that all the other versions of Spider-Man had web shooters. Kind of made the whole spider bite giving you spider powers more lame to me.
same
Yeah, me too. This was kinda m introduction to Spider-Man, and I assumed they all did, and whenever I would see ones that don't, I would think it was lame and handicaps them to have to go synthesize it.
I prefer webshooters. It highlights Peter's intellect. Plus organic webbing sounds gross, even for comic book standards
As much as I LOVE the animatronic Gobby mask, the regular mask just works better to me. It focuses more on his "human" side.
Also I heard somewhere that perhaps the "web-shooters" were actually just going to help Peter _control_ the organic webbing. This idea makes loads of sense when you consider that perhaps the scene of him learning to shoot his webs at the crane was done much later, when they decided to go full organic.
It's still pretty much confirmed that he has some form of web shooter when he's wearing the suit, since it doesn't just shoot through the material. In some scenes you can catch glimpses of what looks like a web shooter on his wrist when he has the suit on. I believe The Canadian Lad has a video about this movie where he points it out
Considering they took this from James Cameron's scriptmemt, his story mentioned Spider-Man made his own web-shooters from a watch, cables and batteries with a weird nozzle to help his aiming better when swimming. It's also to help Peter be more human to himself because he feels he's a freak with these holes growing out of his wrists.
Thanks for the clarification and shout out....but Alex didn't do a "refined" design of mine. He just did a painted version from an existing drawing I did.
OMG! David Williams?? I wasn’t expecting you to show up
Has Alex Ross taken credit for your design, or is it just a fan misconception? I have to say I love your design. To me its much more spiderlike and calls back to Spiderman's horror adjacent roots.
Well now I know. Thanks David Williams!
@@WarpingFist me too
this video's author kinda took many slightly rude pot shots at the artists in this, i assume they didnt mean any harm though heh
I always felt that they should've mixed the concepts of organic webbing and web shooters.
Like have Peter's body make the webbing, but to release it from his body and in so many unique ways (web blasts vs standard web lines), he needs to web shooters to do so.
I drew up a concept for a spider man who was able to shoot webs only out of the hand that he got bitten on. So he only designed one webshooter to put on his other hand, also making him a mix of organic and and techy
I always thought this as well.
It fixes the issue that people have with organic webshooters where it makes Peters intelligence less significant. It also fixes the issue of howcome knowbody else can make the synthetic web that a teenager with no money can make.
If you look at a still image of him and Mary Jane on a rooftop in "Spider-Man" (2002) you can see where his web releases from his suit.
@@Therealcastlesavior Spider-Man doesn't shoot webs out of his hands in general.
@@Zoot004 did you not watch Spider-man 2002??
Not using the animatronic Goblin mask just because it looks too scary is a dumb complaint in a movie where Goblin has so many jump scare scenes.
Agreed
Well don’t make Spiderman a kids film then
Hopefully when they get to the mcu green goblin, they make him more comic accurate and scary.
It looks goofy
@@T0pMan15 I mean they made it PG-13.
I love the first Spider-Man movie and I love the Green Goblin's mechanical mask. But to be honest, just looking at the alternate, animatronic mask, it's so comic-accurate and I actually prefer that design over the official mask in the movie. A lot of people complain that the Goblin's movie suit looks like something out of Power Rangers, which I personally think the suit is fine, but if Willem Dafoe returns as Green Goblin in Marvel Studios' Spider-Man 3, to please others, Marvel could give him the animatronic mask if the MCU Goblin is from an alternate universe from the Raimiverse or if Marvel just doesn't want to use the classic 2002 look.
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Yeah, but here's the thing: Dafoe himself was uncomfortable with the mask so 😟😬
The Black and Red Suit is incredible!! Imagine it’s locked in a studio somewhere… I wonder how much money it would be worth and I’d absolutely love to have it.
I remember Entertainment weekly ran a story about a break in at a storage facility where the black and red suit was stored. It was stolen along with some lighting equipment
That red-black suit and animatronic goblin suit would've made this movie a heck of a nightmare fuel back then
would have been cool
The goblin mask looks goofy
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Damn, they should've used that comic accurate goblin mask
Exactly
Nope
@David Harper tf you mad for, nigga pissed about another man opinion 💀
They would've had to alter the plot a *LOT* to incorporate that into the movie.
@@Zoot004 And why would that be? Norman had a custom mask in the movie, why would it be weird for him to have made a custom mask with animatronic technology?
I think the original Goblin suit is a classic but I WIDELY prefer the animatronic mask. Also if the other Spider-man suit didn’t have the webbing on the blue I would have preferred that too.
Yeah it looked like the amazing spider man 2 suite
i don’t get how it would fit in this film tho, norman is a pretty grounded businessman with military tech, having a fully animatronic scary mask would look kinda goofy to me, only thing i understand would be comic accuracy
@@JollyGoodShowz Well he’s very fascinated is kabuki masks so I can see why he’d want to make a realistic version of one.
@@wet0wl oh well lmao i can see that
The idea of organic web shooters dates back to 1992 with Spider-Man 2099
People including Raimi would only credit James Cameron's script for coming up with the organic webbing idea and not mention that it was Peter David who originally conceived of the organic webbing concept for his creation, Spiderman 2099.
2:56 Didn't he say he wanted organic webbing because he felt like if Peter was able to make his own webshooters he would stop being an ordinary man and would be more of a genius, taking away from the everyday guy becomes hero concept?? I feel like you didn't include the full context behind his decision.
Thats why I prefer them personally. Anyone can be a hero, but not everyone is an engineering prodigy lol
That animatronic Green Goblin mask looked so good. Would love to see that use some day.
No it looks like a little gremlin
@@xeox4280 Do you know what Gremlins look like?
@@Zoot004 Yes
@@xeox4280 Then how do you think he looks like a Gremlin? The fact that they're green?
@@Zoot004 No it looks like a little weak creature
The organic Web-Shooters definitely surprised me when I saw Spiderman movie in the theater for the first time all the way back in 2002. With that being said, I actually really liked that idea. Just like Sam Raimi, I thought it was really cool that his organic Web Shooters were apart of Peter’s mutation. It added another level to his superhuman abilities. I also really liked how the costume they came up with for Spiderman. It has all the elements of his iconic costume from the comics all the while being something new that we haven’t seen before. The raised webbing on the suit was also another really nice touch. It added some very necessary texture to his overall look. Sam Raimi and company did a phenomenal job bringing Spidey to life on the big screen. To this day I still think that the first Spiderman movie remains to be the most star-struck movie I’ve ever seen and my most anticipated movie I’ve ever seen.
I read the early 1999 script for Raimi's Spider-Man that had Doctor Octopus in it and he was described as nothing like how he did in the concept art. Instead, he was described as having jet-black hair, very pale and fat as if he'd never stepped outside of his basement before. The tentacles were more like the Ultimate and SM2 with them being held up around his waist. But after Norman and Outto have a brief argument after being fired by Norman Osborn, there's an accident in the lab that causes the green smoke to fill the room and Outto's mechanic arms go haywire and weld into his flesh and we later see him shirtless watching the parade fight on TV in his apartment and we see his torso is horribly burned with the metal.
He doesn't really have much in the plot, but more of a set-up. His motivation in the script was to get revenge on Norman Osborn. He was also the one to attack Jamison, asking if he could find someone who takes the pictures of Spider-Man to tell Spider-Man to get Goblin for him. But Peter steps in to reveal himself and Ock threatens him to find Spider-Man (a la SM2.)
The entire third act was hugely different. There was no saving the kids, no fight in that abandoned building, no Osborn being killed. It was instead set in a foggy winter morning where Norman gives letters to MJ, Peter and Harry to all meet up at Oscorp where Goblin tries to kill Harry and Peter as eventually kidnaps MJ where Peter has to buy a Spider-Man costume after he burned his original one earlier, and he chases him on the bridge, where Doc Ocks's there, telling Spider-Man to kill Norman. But Goblin doesn't die in this version. MJ jams a pumpkin bomb in his glider where it explodes and he falls into a giant spider web and is arrested by the FBI with Doc Ock watching at the distance in rage that Spider-Man didn't kill Osborn, setting him as a more established villain for a sequel and getting revenge on Spider-Man someday.
alot of the unused concepts made it into 2002 spider man game on ps2 including the alex ross suit and when u change spider man suit it also changes green goblin original design and believe or not in the game they somehow made him use web cartridge even tho the movie he has organic webbing but alot of the stuff u mention is in the game activision somehow pulled it off. so its not really unexplored material, but it is good to look back to on what could've been.
Yep you're right, yet he's able to regenerate web in a very slow pace in the game. So I guess the headcanon would be that these "web cartridges" are just refills for the sake of game balancing. But that goblin suit change in game (alex ross goblin) is my favorite ngl, it captures the Halloween aspect of the character.
In the PlayStation 1 game Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro released in 2001, you can play as Alex Ross's Spider-Man costume
I think one of those military concepts of green goblins gets an appearance in one short scene when they're testing out the glider at the beginning of the movie with a play tester showing off the glider to the investors or whatever they are.
5:00 damn this one looks comic accurate almost same like tasm 2 suit
Facts though.
Ngl the scrapped Spider-Man suits made the trilogy look more mature/serious or even creepy, especially because Raimi had a thing for horror movies
I much prefer Raimi's approach of creating a logical movie with elements of the comics that made sense. Instead of the current approach, with is just be comic accurate regardless if it's a good idea or not.
I think the opposite actually I feel mcu Spidey is way less accurate than the raimi verse Tom has web shooters but outside of that mcu spiderman is borderline a totally different character
@@jenpachi2408 true, like i feel no way home's end is the begining of an actually comic accurate mcu spiderman, in the past he was all like tony stark's son that he wasnt
@@jenpachi2408 You're right. I do actually think that Raimi's is ironically the most accurate too. I was more trying to say that I think he translated the material to the big screen, instead of copying it and not understanding the intentions.
@@raveoreynolds6049 I think that Andrews is the most comically accurately, he loses Gwen in a battle with Goblin, he has web shooters, he loses uncle ben same as Tobey, his suit (TASM2) is accurate.
@@username-yr8qc that's what I'm hoping for
I think the choice of making the webs organic was a good choice for this interpretation. It makes total sense that being able to create organic webs would come with the rest of the spider powers. Also keep in mind that X-Men was pretty big at this time so having mutations where you get all of the actual powers of the spider makes sense
Ngl I really prefer the organic webshooter instead of the mechanic one it kinda makes more sense to me
Who cares about how scared those kids are.
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I love the Alex Ross suit hopefully it appears in Spider-Man 2 the game
I think the best way to have both the organic and mechanical web shooters would be Peter losing his powers in Spider-Man 2 and being forced to make web shooters for a little bit until his powers returned. But that's just an idea.
4:37 it also appeared in neversoft's spiderman game the one from 2000
Really love these cut content videos, you should do more for other superhero movies.
I would've preferred that goblin design so much ,I feel they didn't do him justice the first movie ,then they corrected it in no way home .I think William Defoes face was sufficient 🤣🤣
Dang, that Goblin mask scares me and I'm not even a kid!
Seriously though, I never had a problem with the Goblin's appearance in the movie, but I sure do now having seen what he could have looked like!
7:05 is such an amazing design for the goblin, the eyes look sick
4:10 this suit is actually unlockable in the 2002 spiderman movie game.,
..he said that it was about 30 seconds later
@@itsprodigit Oh sht my bad. I was a bit overwhelmed with nostalgia lol
Great video, thanks for the plug.
Oh hey that’s a nice surprise, thanks for commenting. Wasn’t expecting you to show up.
@@WarpingFist It's good to see you.
U should do videos like these on the whole trilogy! Great Video
Organic webbing was something I thought was really great about Tobey's Spiderman, and it surprises me a little that most people prefer mechanical web shooters. Glad it got a bit of a joke about it in No Way Home 🙂
Would love a series like this for other films as well! Also congrats on 700!
Your content is very informative! Keep up the good work
nice video man!!
Thank you for making this video man
The black and red one looks so much like superior spider man
I need some explanation from the artists who gave a tactical military looks for the green goblin
Well it makes sense in the movie. He just stole a military flight suit and glider and made a custom helmet. I agree it wasn't the best choice but you can't say the logic in universe isn't there at least
The goblin should been like this 6:12
I used to prefer helmet design over the animatronic design but honestly in motion the animatronic mask is so cool
Can you please do a spider man 2 and 3 cut content next like this one!?
@@WarpingFist okay great I am for the third one after that 😊👌
@@WarpingFist also my favorite spider man suit of all time is the Alex ross/David williams suit I hoped that we can get a marvel legends figure of that someday around 2022 perhaps because of it's similarity to the superior suit it's based on of
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It’s funny how the original suit by Alex Ross predicted the Superior Spider-Man
I remember a magazine about Tobey's web shooter, saying his webs could hold 36 tons i think, which as a kid i thought it was real lol
The black Spider-Man suit HEAVILY resembles Assassin Spider-Man, I wonder if Marvel were inspired by the original concept suit when making Assassin Spidey (A really cool Spidey, his web shooters were replaced with guns and he was trained by Logan).
LOVE that animatronic Goblin, would've preferred it, but it certainly is haunting and looks uncomfortable.
Where's Alex Rosses Green Goblin costumes designs ?
The Black and red concept art was modified by Alex Ross.
Honestly had they wore that animatronic mask then this would turn into a comedy film
I will say this, if they ever made a horror like spiderman movie then it should be with the green goblin batman beyond: return of the joker style. With him psychologically dismantling peter into despair and depression.
Dude, that Green Goblin animatronic mask was awesome!
Excelent Video
fantastic thumbnail i have to say
4:07 it was cool to see such a costume in the movies and I also wanted to see instead of the green goblin the main villain was the doctor octopus, who, as in the sequel, was played by Alfred Malina
Spider-Man in the thumbnail looks like he's got his mouth stitched shut.
Good ol days
If he had the web shooters and the Dafoe’s had the Goblin mask this movie would’ve been perfect
i cant believe this was a year ago
time goes by way too fast
I saw a pic of the animatronic mask a few days ago and thought it was just a regular mask. Seeing those clips of it moving now makes me want to see it in a movie :D
If you guys watch the full screen version of spider man 2002 you can see the websters on his wrist when hes shooting the can of soda
8:51 Looks like TASM2
The animatronic mask looks more like it would be Osborne's actual face but transformed into the Goblin's. This would make the self-reflection scenes different as he would not be able to address the helmet when he "talks" to the Goblin. He would have to just quickly transform in and out of the Goblin. Would be interesting though.
I LOVED seeing a nostalgic character in NWH. Even bought his mask on Amazon, it’s rly cheap but I want the rest.
7:17 tbh that mask makes Green Goblin look like an Oni which would've been a cool take
I always thought the organic webbing was a mutant gene like X-men
Y’know, looking at some of the concept art you pointed out, it almost gives the impression that the artists were trying to draw to Sam Raimi’s reputation at the time of being a horror movie maker (It’s likely the artists knew him from his Evil Dead trilogy).
Imagine that "WAKE UP,SPIDER-MAN!" jumpscare with this mask: 6:47
I can see why it was not used and i agree with this reason.
Let’s be honest , organic webbing just makes more sense 🤷🏽♂️
yeah peter has spider powers, so why not organic webbing too?
Yeah i agree to that
Well if you read the comics they have a good answer
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@@The_Based_Batman yes
goblin mask like that almost scares me lol 😂
I feel like the reason why people call the black and red suit, the Alex Ross suit, and not the David Williams suit is probably because people found Ross’s take on the suit much more recognizable and iconic.
The Ross suit was also an alternate skin in the 2001 PS1 game, Enter Electro.
The original suit in the comics actually was supposed to be red and black like the Alex Ross concept with the blue parts being highlights but it changed over time
dude i feel like im the only one who likes the goblin helmet we got, never understood the power ranger hate
I prefer the organic webbing than webshooters.
Those tools are liable.
Tobey Maguire spidey is the perfect example.
In my head spiderman can make organic webbing but since it comes out of his ass he prefers not to use it and instead makes web shooters
My own little head canon
It’s insane how only 20 years ago, a Spider-Man movie was unheard of.
This comic doc is beautiful.
The Alex Ross concept costume is also available as an unlockable skin in Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro for the PS1
Nice
That Green Goblin mask is ridiculously cool
One of the test videos make the animatronic mask tester while wearing that robe like attire makes him look like a twisted yoda
Am I the only one who absolutely loves that red and black suit?
Yes. Yes you are.
"The amazing spider man!!!"
The amazing spider man: 🧍♂️
I’m glad we got the Spider-Man film we got.
I love these looks at stuff that didn't make it into the movie! Especially the Green Goblin! I was already scared of his final design as a kid. I can't imagine how horrified I would be if they got that animatronic mask into the movie!
Damn the omnitrix doesn't rival it
So ironic the black and red and black glass concept spider-man suit beside forshadowing superior dock ock spider-man takong swap peter parker body to ottot rotten dying body. The design suit was use in one of the showong of a film by a dude doing flips like spider-man no way home had someone dress as a black ad red spidey suit in the showing of no way home
3:42 it looks like tom holland’s far from home suit
7:04 that looks like Dr Doom
Part of me wishes that in NWH when Peter tried to cure goblin the first time he actually mutates even more into this version of the goblin with the long ears and green skin
Great video. But anyone know the name of the background music in the vid? Also I'm in love with the original Goblin mask 😍😎.
TASM 2 Goblin looks dope
God that anamatronic mask was so amazing. They shouldve used it
6:13 I prefer this in the movie along with Snake-face Voldemort and the vampires design from Ridley Scott’s I am legend.
That goblin mask is bad ass
Man we were robbed of something truly great by getting rid of that Goblin mask. Pains to see the test footage cuz it looked absolutely fantastic. What I wouldn't give to go to the parallel dimension where the mask was used.
do a video for the other spiderman films concept art