Yeah, I've had a good look at Rhino, there's a lot to it. Have you seen the USSA RUclips channel? That guy uses Rhino and a plug-in called Grasshopper and he uses it in an amazing way. I think he must use it for a day job all the time, no-one could work at that level of skill except full-time.
Hey Arnold, just wanted to say how glad I am your videos have taken off and stated to get the views you deserve. Alas I haven't had the time to carry on with cad or watching your output since the early days of your channel. Good for you mate, keep up the good work.😊
I hear you loud and clear. The prices of Fusion has gone over the top. It has stopped me from purchasing it. I like the idea of Solid Edge. Hopefully I can continue to learn it with your help!
Hi Arnold 👋🏼👋🏼 I’m sort of stuck with Fusion ( paid licence), because I use the CAM capability. Note: I’m a hobbyist; I’m retired… so not flush with cash… so I too RESENT being screwed by Autodesk. I will say however…. that Fusion is the ants pants . I’m designing and building a 5” gge. live steam loco…. and the design capabilities of Fusion allow me to ‘trial’ assemble components to see if they will fit. The section analysis tool gets used almost every day… as does the ‘measure’ tool once I’ve done a section. Stand alone CAM software is 1), out of reach, and 2), needs ‘integration’. Fusion ( though expensive) gives me both. I started out as a ‘free-use’ hobbyist…. and I’ve watched Fusion 360 gradually attack that high-end clique over the years. Good luck to them…. I just hope I can complete my design & build before they REALLY start turning the ‘subscription screw’ 😖 Regards Robert PS Thanks for sticking with the ‘how to’ videos… VERY much appreciated.
thanks for sharing about your project and how you're using Fusion. This is what I love to hear about. There is no doubt that Fusion is still the best value by far. You get mid-range software for the price of bottom end software despite the rise. There's a long way to go if you measure the value at $5000+
Hello mate - "... before they REALLY start turning the ‘subscription screw’..." unfortunately there is no case Anymore ... I used that Free version for Personal Use until August 2o24, but I was somehow "kick out" ... I trayed maybe 30 times to get back to that version but all I could find was "Trial version" with No possibility to extend that period
Hi Arnold, I have just watched your clip and I must say a little bit cheesed off. I recently purchased a Bambu Labs 3D printer to make parts for my model boat, a 1/10 scale of a Venice water taxi. I have completed your 16 drawings and I can highly recommend anybody getting into CAD work to do it. I found your clips so easy to follow etc. I have now learned how to do my own drawings and convert to 3D print through Bambu Studio. Without skiting I am quite pleased with my achievement because 4 weeks ago I didn't have a clew. Now with your clip above I am now wondering what to do as all my projects will be connected to model work for myself and I don't really want to go and pay for a programme. Yes it would be great and very helpful if you could consider doing a review on "Solid Edge For Makers". I hope my comment makes sense. Cheers Ian
@@ianlangley987 Sit tight Ian, I did this video to gauge the feelings in the makers community and there’s very little interest in changing from what I can tell. It is hard to renew your free license but still possible. If you continue with Fusion your skill will be transferable since all the CAD programs work in a very similar way. It’s a matter of getting used to a new UI, workflows are very similar. And that’s only if the worst comes to the worst.
What do you think about Plasticity? I know it's not free, but it has an interesting price. It's primarily intended as a tool for artists, but it might be useful for engineers as well.
I’ve been watching Plasticity for a couple of years, the developer was sharing his journey on RUclips and he’s done some good work rethinking how to do the sort of work he does. You could say artists, but I would call it an industrial designers tool. Now that the first version is on the market I think it has good potential but I did feel that it had a way to go with the features needed for CAD workflows.
Yes, a good looking surface modelling solution. Great for product design but what I’m looking for is a solid modeller. Surfacing is either a separate discipline like MOI3D or part of a solid modeller. A separate application means a specialised tool for someone who is already a good designer in 3D mechanical CAD.
When a CNC machine (commercial machine for hobby) is put into the mix Fusion with built in CAM is really a bargain for me at a early purchase price of $310 per year. I do have a back up older version OneCNC Pro CAD/CAM package that is a permanent license, even at the $310, while a bargain is rarely used any more. Fusion is due again in October of this year so I just might revert back to the older OneCNC Package, not the modeling power of Fusion but still plenty of options for all that I really need any more.
Thanks for your view, yes, Fusion really is almost a mid-range CAD and still less than $1,000. So many workspaces, able to work with a huge range of plugins but it’s never simple when you’ve got legacy data, other software and machines to consider.
Arnold, I am really interested to see what software you will now be using, mainly because I have done some of your lessons and you are a great teacher. I would like to learn how to draw and make metal frameworks which also give me a cutting list, and to be able to export drawings in sheet metal for cutting on my plasma table. I am a home hobby guy so am not keen on paying for the software, but that said, if it was say 30 or 40 dollars a year, then that would be fair enough I think.
Hi daipower, thanks for your interest and for your kind words. It was an interesting exercise looking at the options. I’ve decided that the only real alternatives are the free “maker” versions of Solid Edge and Solidworks but these are now ‘old school’ and ‘bloatware’ in comparison to Fusion. You can still maintain a legitimate and legal free license of Fusion ongoing - with perhaps a little help to navigate the obfuscation. I am planning to delve into Solid Edge Maker version for the purpose of accessing free CAE (Computer Aided Engineering) but not in the immediate future, there is still a fair bit to do covering the 101 level CAD stuff and then CAM. I don’t recommend Solid Edge for CAD unless you want to give it the time and effort to master its complexity.
Thanks for the videos, I made it through Part 7 revised, but then could not find part 8. There are un-revised versions but I'm unsure of the GUI similarity and the continuity with the revised, can you comment on this?
Yes, N67414, the UI update wasn’t too major, most people are able to carry on, the tools are sometimes in a different spot but you’ve been doing it seven time already and I think you’ll be able to follow. If it comes to the worst, look back in the previous ones to get the answer. I’m still working on the revisions but it’s a bit slow going.
Before Fusion’s price rise I thought TurboCAD wasn’t a big enough saving. Now its price is worth considering. One of its advantages is that it reads and writes DWG files which are becoming much more popular - that is 3D dwg. (Though that’s not its native or primary format).
Cloud software is a deal breaker for me... unfortunately everything heading that way. If your work is on someone else's computer, then it isn't yours... and if you stop paying you lose access. Can't think of anything worse and i don't trust these companies with my data.
I used Alibre years ago, it was really good back then. I'd be interested in a current review of it myself. I use Fusion currently, it's pretty pricey for hobby work.
I did look at Alibre about 15 years ago, it’s good to see they are still going and it sounds like development has progressed. Back then there was some concern when there was an ownership change, but the reason I didn’t pursue if further was the cheaper version had so many features missing. How is that $200 version these days?
Yes, Plasticity has great promise. New software is really the only way to clear away the clutter of old experiments and development cycles. The user base of established options always creates inertia and resistance to any kind of change. Plasticity is innovative, its been a one man vision and development process in its early stages and I'm looking forward to seeing how it rounds out and improves. Shapr3D I did look at but its free version is too much a cripple to recommend. I particularly like their iPad version but to be honest, I'd go with Sketchup for their innovative iPad UI vision which is better IMHO.
@@ArnoldRowntreeTeachesFusion360 sketchCrap really? I am punished to teach it. Shapr goes a different direction Both use parasolid but plasticity is a top surface modeler while shapr is a solid modeler with a history and soon more Both are the best nee cad apps
Yep, it certainly stands out from the crowd. Angus proved that but then the two I'm pointing to are contenders although they represent a come-back by the old-world of CAD trying to compete with the biggest threat they've ever had - Fusion which is the new wave.
I Quote from @RobertBrown - "... before they REALLY start turning the ‘subscription screw’..." unfortunately this thing Happened ... I used that Free version for Personal Use until August 2o24, but I was somehow "kick out" ... I trayed maybe 30 times to get back to that version but all I could find was "Trial version" with No possibility to extend that period ... If there is Someone who knows a way to get back that version or if is still exist , PLEASE share with us ... I made probably 6-10 designs a Year for my 3D printer so NO Profit whatsoever ... Thank You in advance to anyone who can give us - Hobbyist a glimpse of Hope ...
This is such a great channel with great info! Thanks for all you do
Good on you Dude, I’ll keep going!
Rhino! ~ $1000 and you own the version license. Reasonable upgrade cost and cheap license for students.
Yeah, I've had a good look at Rhino, there's a lot to it. Have you seen the USSA RUclips channel? That guy uses Rhino and a plug-in called Grasshopper and he uses it in an amazing way. I think he must use it for a day job all the time, no-one could work at that level of skill except full-time.
Hey Arnold, just wanted to say how glad I am your videos have taken off and stated to get the views you deserve. Alas I haven't had the time to carry on with cad or watching your output since the early days of your channel.
Good for you mate, keep up the good work.😊
Welcome back Jay! and thanks. Whatever you're doing, all the best.
Arnold Rowntree, awesome video keep up the amazing work
Appreciate it!
I hear you loud and clear. The prices of Fusion has gone over the top. It has stopped me from purchasing it. I like the idea of Solid Edge. Hopefully I can continue to learn it with your help!
Thanks John, I’ve got a few reasons to look at Solid Edge again, it might not happen in a hurry but I’m glad to hear you’re interested.
Hi Arnold 👋🏼👋🏼
I’m sort of stuck with Fusion ( paid licence), because I use the CAM capability.
Note: I’m a hobbyist; I’m retired… so not flush with cash… so I too RESENT being screwed by Autodesk.
I will say however…. that Fusion is the ants pants .
I’m designing and building a 5” gge. live steam loco…. and the design capabilities of Fusion allow me to ‘trial’ assemble components to see if they will fit.
The section analysis tool gets used almost every day… as does the ‘measure’ tool once I’ve done a section.
Stand alone CAM software is 1), out of reach, and 2), needs ‘integration’.
Fusion ( though expensive) gives me both.
I started out as a ‘free-use’ hobbyist…. and I’ve watched Fusion 360 gradually attack that high-end clique over the years.
Good luck to them…. I just hope I can complete my design & build before they REALLY start turning the ‘subscription screw’
😖
Regards
Robert
PS Thanks for sticking with the ‘how to’ videos… VERY much appreciated.
thanks for sharing about your project and how you're using Fusion. This is what I love to hear about. There is no doubt that Fusion is still the best value by far. You get mid-range software for the price of bottom end software despite the rise. There's a long way to go if you measure the value at $5000+
Hello mate - "... before they REALLY start turning the ‘subscription screw’..." unfortunately there is no case Anymore ... I used that Free version for Personal Use until August 2o24, but I was somehow "kick out" ... I trayed maybe 30 times to get back to that version but all I could find was "Trial version" with No possibility to extend that period
like to see alternative CAD to fusion, thanks for your work.
Thanks Kevin, glad to hear you’re interested.
Hi Arnold, I have just watched your clip and I must say a little bit cheesed off. I recently purchased a Bambu Labs 3D printer to make parts for my model boat, a 1/10 scale of a Venice water taxi. I have completed your 16 drawings and I can highly recommend anybody getting into CAD work to do it. I found your clips so easy to follow etc. I have now learned how to do my own drawings and convert to 3D print through Bambu Studio. Without skiting I am quite pleased with my achievement because 4 weeks ago I didn't have a clew. Now with your clip above I am now wondering what to do as all my projects will be connected to model work for myself and I don't really want to go and pay for a programme. Yes it would be great and very helpful if you could consider doing a review on "Solid Edge For Makers". I hope my comment makes sense. Cheers Ian
@@ianlangley987 Sit tight Ian, I did this video to gauge the feelings in the makers community and there’s very little interest in changing from what I can tell. It is hard to renew your free license but still possible. If you continue with Fusion your skill will be transferable since all the CAD programs work in a very similar way. It’s a matter of getting used to a new UI, workflows are very similar. And that’s only if the worst comes to the worst.
@@ArnoldRowntreeTeachesFusion360 Thanks Arnold, I will keep going until I need to change. Cheers Ian
What do you think about Plasticity? I know it's not free, but it has an interesting price. It's primarily intended as a tool for artists, but it might be useful for engineers as well.
I’ve been watching Plasticity for a couple of years, the developer was sharing his journey on RUclips and he’s done some good work rethinking how to do the sort of work he does. You could say artists, but I would call it an industrial designers tool. Now that the first version is on the market I think it has good potential but I did feel that it had a way to go with the features needed for CAD workflows.
the software MOI 3D "Moment of Inspiration" is interesting
Yes, a good looking surface modelling solution. Great for product design but what I’m looking for is a solid modeller. Surfacing is either a separate discipline like MOI3D or part of a solid modeller. A separate application means a specialised tool for someone who is already a good designer in 3D mechanical CAD.
I have that same shirt & several other from the collection.
Woot!
So you and I are both ninjas 😆
@@ArnoldRowntreeTeachesFusion360 of the UN-stealthiest kind
When a CNC machine (commercial machine for hobby) is put into the mix Fusion with built in CAM is really a bargain for me at a early purchase price of $310 per year. I do have a back up older version OneCNC Pro CAD/CAM package that is a permanent license, even at the $310, while a bargain is rarely used any more. Fusion is due again in October of this year so I just might revert back to the older OneCNC Package, not the modeling power of Fusion but still plenty of options for all that I really need any more.
Thanks for your view, yes, Fusion really is almost a mid-range CAD and still less than $1,000. So many workspaces, able to work with a huge range of plugins but it’s never simple when you’ve got legacy data, other software and machines to consider.
Arnold, I am really interested to see what software you will now be using, mainly because I have done some of your lessons and you are a great teacher. I would like to learn how to draw and make metal frameworks which also give me a cutting list, and to be able to export drawings in sheet metal for cutting on my plasma table. I am a home hobby guy so am not keen on paying for the software, but that said, if it was say 30 or 40 dollars a year, then that would be fair enough I think.
Hi daipower, thanks for your interest and for your kind words. It was an interesting exercise looking at the options. I’ve decided that the only real alternatives are the free “maker” versions of Solid Edge and Solidworks but these are now ‘old school’ and ‘bloatware’ in comparison to Fusion. You can still maintain a legitimate and legal free license of Fusion ongoing - with perhaps a little help to navigate the obfuscation. I am planning to delve into Solid Edge Maker version for the purpose of accessing free CAE (Computer Aided Engineering) but not in the immediate future, there is still a fair bit to do covering the 101 level CAD stuff and then CAM. I don’t recommend Solid Edge for CAD unless you want to give it the time and effort to master its complexity.
Thanks for the videos, I made it through Part 7 revised, but then could not find part 8. There are un-revised versions but I'm unsure of the GUI similarity and the continuity with the revised, can you comment on this?
Yes, N67414, the UI update wasn’t too major, most people are able to carry on, the tools are sometimes in a different spot but you’ve been doing it seven time already and I think you’ll be able to follow. If it comes to the worst, look back in the previous ones to get the answer. I’m still working on the revisions but it’s a bit slow going.
What about Turbocad?
Before Fusion’s price rise I thought TurboCAD wasn’t a big enough saving. Now its price is worth considering. One of its advantages is that it reads and writes DWG files which are becoming much more popular - that is 3D dwg. (Though that’s not its native or primary format).
Arnold my goat how are you
@@Potato-zh4mq Baaaaaa!
Cloud software is a deal breaker for me... unfortunately everything heading that way. If your work is on someone else's computer, then it isn't yours... and if you stop paying you lose access. Can't think of anything worse and i don't trust these companies with my data.
Yes, I understand the concern.
Alibre ?
I used Alibre years ago, it was really good back then. I'd be interested in a current review of it myself. I use Fusion currently, it's pretty pricey for hobby work.
I did look at Alibre about 15 years ago, it’s good to see they are still going and it sounds like development has progressed. Back then there was some concern when there was an ownership change, but the reason I didn’t pursue if further was the cheaper version had so many features missing. How is that $200 version these days?
Then there is Plasticity and there is Shapr3D
Yes, Plasticity has great promise. New software is really the only way to clear away the clutter of old experiments and development cycles. The user base of established options always creates inertia and resistance to any kind of change. Plasticity is innovative, its been a one man vision and development process in its early stages and I'm looking forward to seeing how it rounds out and improves. Shapr3D I did look at but its free version is too much a cripple to recommend. I particularly like their iPad version but to be honest, I'd go with Sketchup for their innovative iPad UI vision which is better IMHO.
@@ArnoldRowntreeTeachesFusion360 sketchCrap really? I am punished to teach it.
Shapr goes a different direction
Both use parasolid but plasticity is a top surface modeler while shapr is a solid modeler with a history and soon more
Both are the best nee cad apps
Nothing beats Fusion for hobbyists. Everything else is inferior.
Yep, it certainly stands out from the crowd. Angus proved that but then the two I'm pointing to are contenders although they represent a come-back by the old-world of CAD trying to compete with the biggest threat they've ever had - Fusion which is the new wave.
I Quote from @RobertBrown - "... before they REALLY start turning the ‘subscription screw’..." unfortunately this thing Happened ...
I used that Free version for Personal Use until August 2o24, but I was somehow "kick out" ...
I trayed maybe 30 times to get back to that version but all I could find was "Trial version" with No possibility to extend that period ...
If there is Someone who knows a way to get back that version or if is still exist , PLEASE share with us ...
I made probably 6-10 designs a Year for my 3D printer so NO Profit whatsoever ...
Thank You in advance to anyone who can give us - Hobbyist a glimpse of Hope ...