What’s so bad about the Hare Krishnas?
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The only time I ever felt togetherness in iskcon was during really rousing kirtan. The rest of the time I was felt very alone. Relationships with other devotees were at best superficial and benign, at worst bullying & traumatic. Iskcon is a very disfunctional society. The sexism, misogyny and homophobia are vile. Twenty years after getting out I still sometimes wonder whatever was I thinking? The best thing I ever did was leave, at age 31, after 9 years in. Thank you for your thoughts. I agree. 🙏
When and how did you experience this things? Like in what country with iskcon
@@mirko7587 Australia and India
I'm not a devotee and I'm not planning on becoming one either. But, my observations have been the same as yours.
Outside the temple environment, the devotees don't wanna even know you yet they go on about the importance of association with other " devotees " .
@@arbaabsheytaan6723they will not associate with non devotees because we are in “ Maya” but that’s BS they know they will fall down if they do so it’s weak at best!
@@arbaabsheytaan6723 there's a whole rule book on how to "properly associate" with other devotees, and it's toxic as hell.
Most people were never meant to JOIN the hare krsnas, ie reject their current situation and take up residence in temples , change their appearance and so on.. Even in the introduction of Bhagavad gita ,Prabhupada quotes lord Caitanya saying don't change your material situation just stay where you are and add Krsna to your life.THATS IN THE INTRODUCTION. If its a spiritual practice how can your material situation be relevant.?
Fact is most of these people wanted to run off and 'join the circus ' and thats what they got. ie there was a lack of sincerity and just a hope against hope if i don the robes all my doubts will dissappear and i'll be on cloud 9. It doesn't work like that , God isn't stupid he looks at your heart and your motivation. (and yes the organisation did encourage you to do that )
I say this as a person who lived in x 3 different temples in the late 90s and yes it was very hard to 'catch up' when i left and i would agree there are definitely culty aspects to living in a temple environment and some culty characters ,largely thats why i left. (though this is changing)
For some reason the organisation at times hasn't allowed individuals to progress from where they're at, in one sense you weren't allowed to be yourself , even though it's all about self realization !! Thats the irony and i think where the cultism arises.
My advise is trust your heart , read the books and don't get swayed by the crowd, if you find yourself loosing touch with your current reality you could be doing something wrong.
The books absolutely encourage you to join a temple wtf do you even mean.
There is another aphorism: " If you are not happy (in Krsna Consciousness,) there is something wrong".
@@DStanleyCorcoranIII yeah. The whole outfit is wrong. It's abusive, manipulative, cuts you off from your family, denies you basic things that humans need for mental wellbeing, all in the name of the Cause.
Again, majority of the people simply pray to the Lord to Krishna, and go to Temple for service, and to meet fellow devotee and have a good time. No one‘s telling you to permanently live there and give up everything. Also, I’ve never heard of anyone couldn’t be themselves, I mean, how would they stop me from saying what I want to say. Obviously I wouldn’t go to a temple and say anything against God, but other than that, it’s pretty casual.
Interesting. I feel guilty bout not eating temple food cos its unhealthy. I'm only happy eating healthy. Done it many years. Dont wana change. But of course . I shouldnt feel guilty cos I'm using comon sense. Oh well. Hare krishna.
According to the Vedic scriptures, Krishna is God. And to believe and have faith in God, you need not join any cult or society. The essential thing is to understand the Bhagavad-gita with scientific mind, and have faith in Krishna. If you're reading Bhagavad-gita As It Is, you're already connecting with guru (spiritual master) and Krishna (God). Having faith in God, chanting his holy names, and avoiding meat and intoxications, that is how one becomes a Hare Krishna devotee. It is as simple as that. Your physical appearance need not change. Your heart and mind should change.
I've noticed in more than one video that you communicate very ambiguously, and don't provide concrete examples of negative experiences. Perhaps, this is why some viewers leave comments asking what is so bad about the hare Krishnas. You keep saying people have had bad experiences, but you don't use specifics in any video.
If he didn't do that, he would get assassinated from some crazy high level Krishnas. Gaura Rader is an ex disciple of Radhanath Swami, and Radhanath Swami is responsible for coordinating the murder of Sulocana Das in the 1980's. They are a bunch of crooks.
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@@MrMikkyn They would not likely assassinate him man. Highly unlikely. There would be no reason or logic in that whatsoever. Gaura is not in any kind of internal position that they deem a threat, not even close. Sulochana was killed because he was actually an internal threat to their cult ideology. But the cult has been exposed so much now, killing anybody would just backfire at this point and just expose them even more.
@Christopher Walsh, its because the experience of the actual practice of Hare Krishna is a very great experience and not bad at all. He is talking about Krishna Cultism when he says "Hare Krishna"
That is probably why people are confused about this and keep asking that. I've already talked to Gaura about this and hopefully soon we can do an interview so I can discuss this on the channel at length. Most people just do not know that Hare Krishna's exist outside if the cult practice. We are scattered worldwide and in the process if forming a more cohesive community. People need to be updated on this information.
@@TheLustyDoll Oh this would be great. I would love to watch the interview. I’ve seen both of your videos from each of your channels respectively, and I think an intellectual discussion would be a great way to reach an interesting truth and consensus.
@@MrMikkyn Yes we have discussed it. I look forward to it. I look forward to bringing dignity back to the actual ideology of Hare Krishna in the eyes of skeptics by presenting the practice as understood and engaged in by people not involved in the cult.
Spot on. Spot on.
Thanks :)
A more accurate title would be what is so bad about Krishna Cultism. I am a Hare Krishna and you know that the views that I have are loving and not bad. Please reflect this in future videos to help make people aware that there are actual loving versions of the Hare Krishna practice that are not of the type you are talking about here. WE EXIST but are few in number.
The actual practice leads to amazing happiness and you actually experience the blissful results of feeling actual affection for The Goddess, God and others. You do experience your eternal form and personality and you actually focus on making the world a better place while doing so.
Even IF you do not accept that there is a Goddess or God we still value others far more in fact than is ever possible in a strictly secular way. In my practice we actually do value others far more and put that into action in our lives.
It does make one's life better IF a person actually practices the real thing independent of the culty traditions.
I and others I know are in the process of writing new scriptures as we speak.
Its very sad for me to see Hare Krishna bunched in with Krishna Cultism as if they are the same thing.
They are not even close to being the same thing.
We also do not base our views or practice on what is found in books or commentaries (although we can take inspiration from them in certain specific aspects, our practice and views are not based on them)
Hare Krishna is NOT the same as Krishna Cultism, and we are also NOT a branch off the Krishna Cult practice either.
We exist, we are here and we are all unique individuals with our own very uplifting stories that can inspire many people.
I look forward to our interview so that I can speak about this on your channel.
THERE IS ANOTHER WAY.
Formfulism, Hare Krishna (the non-cult versions) and Dynamic Theism are things unto themselves that are very uplifting, valuable and tangible in terms of real results in both aspects of life both secular and eternal. If someone does not believe in the eternal stuff, so what? We are also very loving people in secular terms also.
I totally disagree! I think the Hare Krishna religion is harmful in and of itself independent of any cult organization.
That being said I'm not going to go out of my way to make the distinction because there are a few people in the world who practice the religion in ways that are less harmful.
I actually believe that religious progressives share some of the responsibility for the bad things that regressive religious people do, because they legitimize the practice of religion. That was something that was said by Dawkins and while I'm not a big fan I think he got that right.
Also, we can do a debate video but if we do that I am going to do my best to expose your beliefs as irrational and harmful, and I don't think it will go well for you. It isn't a "fair fight." I'm a professionally trained philosopher, but if you want to we can do it, haha.
@@GauraRader This will be fantastic. I will share the video with my friends for sure.
@@GauraRader Well it will be important to clarify exactly what aspects of the non-cult versions of the practice you think are "harmful" in a way that you can prove and actually verify. You can also use me as an example if you want regarding in what exact ways you think I have personally been "harmed" by it.
From my personal experience I have not been harmed by my practice at all. So that is an assumption you have that is just simply not true and I can disprove that assumption very easily also.
I have not even actually explained my practice to you fully yet either. Which is precisely why I would like to do a one on one chat with you first then we can do a public one also.
Let's talk over video and Facebook/phone some more first to come to some common ground before we do our public talk. It will also help both of our channels if we do and open more discussion between devotees and more "secular" minded people. This is what we need more of, open discussions, finding points of agreement. Debate is kind of redundant, no matter how good each of our points are. People tend to stay with the views they already have either way, "secular" or "theistic" for lack of any better terms.
Although I do not like referring to individuals according to either term personally.
@@GauraRader I can easily have a "debate" and I have no problem with that at all. My foundation is solid in both rationality and in actual affection for other people. I can easily do that.
You would not be able to "expose" anything harmful about my practice in terms of how it supposedly "harms" me.
Others might see my practice as harmful, but that is just their opinion, or simply not agree with me, but I am not actually harmed by it personally. Quite the opposite. Many people have been greatly helped by the stuff I have shared with them to their benefit.
But honestly there is really no need to debate at all brother. Its better to just have a discussion where we actually focus on points of agreement. That will get us alot further than debating ever could.
You and I both know that most people tend to have confirmation bias anyway. It really makes very little difference how solid our points are either way.
Discussions focused on points of agreement tend to bring people closer, however debates tend to drive people apart unnecessarily. It really makes little difference what the actual points are when it come to this fact form what I have seen. The effect of people being driven further apart is not worth it in my opinion.
Also in my opinion the hare Krishna was started at a era most suitable for people involved in hippie stuff, completely lost in life and consumed by alcoholism and drugs. The daily rules are really touch. But the truth is now we are more aware, conscious towards our actions in our life and towards the whole society. Another uncomfortable thing is that they advertise and advocate only their publications of Vedanta philosophy as correct, rest are not, one should read only prabhupadas books others are incorrect. The fact is every spiritual books and translations are equally great ones and enlightening.
The fact is you can't read any of the BBT books without stumbling across some variation of "our way is the only way" once every 3-5 pages, and at least one diatribe against another religion or Vedanta group occurs once every 10 pages. It's disgusting. I've since learned actual Vedanta and it is so radically different from ISKCON fundamentalism.
@@robinfox4440 what is actual Vedanta
The original Krishna's were actually college graduates that didn't want to "fit in".
Psychologists of today pinpoint the problems in our life and give us tools to deal with them but the problems still remain. This Krishna Consciousness on the other hand not only pinpoints the problems in our lives but teaches us how to eradicate them. If you miss the mark and superficially follow blindly there may not be any direct benefit, but for those with a brain this is the greatest treasure on earth.
The false gurus in iskcon are to blame for turning something that is an ancient science into a cultish religion. That doesn't mean you go around saying Krishna Consciousness is not good and dangerous because I can guarantee you any problem you have in life can be mitigated by serious students who have a brain.
If you want to know about Krishna Consciousness learn from someone who knows what it is not a student who gets F on basic questions on the philosophy.
I’be been around Krishna consciousness for quite a long time and one thing I can promise you and anyone else reading this is that Krishna consciousness definitely does not teach people how to eradicate their problems. It literally does the opposite, it obfuscates the real solutions and adds new problems!
I was part of a Hare Krishna group that is described by other Hare Krishna groups as "fanatical," and I can tell you the stricter you adhere to Prabhupada's teachings, the worse it gets. Being encouraged to not speak to your own family or friends, having every natural and normal piece of fun and entertainment stripped from you, having your identity systematically torn apart in order to better "serve" through "sankirtan" and book distribution... it gets ugly, real fast. ISKCON is a corrupt, evil entity.
I wonder why this happens ?, sad isnt it, i also saw this happening to myself and thats why I left, after 4 attempts at temple life..
Hm, that explains why my friend deleted her account and doesn't speak to me anymore.
Path to God is not so easy , Knowledge and patience and devotion to God is what matters😊
@@Jatav79602Why on Earth would anyone willingly believe that when there are alternatives that offer up an easier path? I'm no full-fledged Christian but the sales pitch is miles ahead of ISKCON. Where you tell people the path to God is difficult, Jesus says "I've done it for you and I love you, just come and believe." And as I said elsewhere, you are outnumbered 3 to 1 by every other major religion, including Hinduism. ISKCON is a fringe cult and always will be.
Why do they teach you to stop talking to family/friends?
I can see are you sad and conflicted by how things have worked out. Life is not easy for anyone. Many people have had great experiences from being connected with the movement, although like any organizations, material flaws of flawed people, can be observed. Like being in a hospital, one shouldn't be surprised to see people in a diseased condition. Doctors will do what they can, but eventually, no one escapes some discomfort and eventual death. Most people want to make some adjustment in this world, to solve their problems, but the problem is having a material body with selfish desires that keeps one in the cycle of birth and death. Finding fault with others, whether they are real, or fabrications/misunderstanding, is not the ultimate answer. Being a Hare Krishna is 100% voluntary. I can say it's been greatly beneficial for me, ever since I quit college at 18 and joined. I'll be 70 this year. It's been hard at times, but life in general is hard. Good luck to all.
no one has a great experience from Hare Krishna cults. being lied to, abused and cheated is not a great experience for anyone. calling a cult a cult is not fault-finding it is being truthful.
@@itsbigfrog this is obviously a moronic statement as you claim no one has had a good experience in the Hari Krishna‘s, but you don’t know all the people that have had great experiences. You may speak from your own perspective or those you know, but din’t make a dumb ass blanket statement for millions of people all over the world, love chanting Hare Krishna
Well I wouldn't agree on subject of tracking people. They have tracked Sulocana who tried to expose fake gurus after Prabhupada died, who were acting as pure devotees but breaking principles. They have tracked him and killed him. They tracked his friend Puranjan but they didn't succed in killing him.
And on a topic of rape, gurukuli children have been massively raped since the gurukuli program started, and thus the 400.000.000 USD lawsuit is still pending in Dallas.
Totally fair comments. Maybe I was being too generous!
What is all this?
Never heard about this ...
Really sad to see so many people failing to live up to the expectations of Srila Prabhupada 🙏
Hare Krishna ❣️❣️
Please be happy wherever you are and develop Love for Lord 💕💕
Some approach Krishna because they are distressed, desire wealth, are curious, and search for knowledge of the Absolute. Others are lost and do not know what they are looking for; they are just checking out another thing. Chanting the holy name requires genuine honesty. Whether you go or stay, Krishna will never abandon you. Eventually, you will know the truth about it in this life or the next.
Bro, just say you don’t like them because you wanted to be openly gay. It’s okay.
In order to be happy you need to live in balance with everything. Everything you've mentioned I agree on but not everything I agree on. Living one way in a spiritual manner is as good as living in another in the material manner.
utopia government cant replace good spiritual health The whole reason i looked towards Hindu ideas was for something spiritual, not a replacement for government or anything else
Since my teenage years all the way into my 50's, I have been completely obsessed with studying the reasons why people join cults. Not just what people deem cults but also extremism in organized religion as well. I read just about anything I can get my hands on regarding people who leave them and their lives after. I'm so glad to have run into you in this video. You're doing good work for the future of our society. Kind regards!
One who surrenders to Krishna becomes free from tension of the materialistic outcome but the condition is you have to surrender to him completely.
"Sarva dharman parityajyam mam ekam sharanam braj".
This is always the iskcon drone's response. "You weren't practicing right, you were the problem." Followed by a sloka. You aren't wise. You're brainwashed.
Thank you so much for this video it’s made me feel somewhat woken up that I’m not alone in this. The cult ruined my family life…. We moved back home to start a new life from being homeless….
They separated my relationship and still are because my partner unfortunately still has dealings with them let’s say…. There isn’t a day where we don’t get a message…. Once you are in it’s like no escape…. My partner has also said he hates it yet still remains in dealings with them which I don’t really get…. Some are extremely lovely and real and authentic but the majority are rude, manipulative, controlling and teach men are “above” and also have a very horrible outlook on the gay scene which really pissed me off…..
Be careful of these people…. I wish I had looked deeper.
It seems to me that the speaker is on drugs , im in the movement for over 40 years, my life is more than good, im not an intellect, i have a normal job that doesnt pay well, but im happy, my accounts are up to date, and i have time for family , The HARE KRISHNAs dont force anyone to leave home and break up with parents and family and friends, he is talking utter nonsence, if he had a bad experience coz his parents wanted to advance quickly in KRSNA consciousness and restrict their dealings in material life then it was their choice , why is he blaming the HARE KRISHNA or the ISKCON movement, he is just one in a thousand who might be bitter but yes there is nothing wrong with the HARE KRISHNAS, theres everything wrong with him i can see that he might be drugged whilst.making this video and i hope im wrong there are thousands of HARE KRISHNA devotees who are professionals , coming to iskcon didnt stop them from persuing the careers of their choice and also engage in material activities as long as its in keeping with their spiritual lives, if a person joining iskcon decides to be strict in his spiritual life then how is it the society's ( iskcons ) fault, all of us in iskcon are very HAPPY so how can he speak for us by saying that we are not happy , the HARE KRISHNAS dont want to change the world and make it a better place , the material world cannot be a better place for us coz our real home and happiness s in the spiritual realm , KRSNA consciousness is for people who are serious to persue that goal and nobody is FORCED TO JOIN ISKCON
THANK YOU
This is not true . being in ANY deep religious situation or organisation can cause harm you could be in the Catholic Church and get harmed. You could be in a protestant evangelical organisation and get harmed.! I’m now 67 and I was part of the Harikrishna movement in the 1980s. I still have many good friends who were part of the organisation and still follow the teachings.. I live my own free life and I am perfectly happy to remember so many happy times in ISKCON. I still practice and follow. Also adore Jesus Christ..🙏
Of course people can have traumatic experiences, but they can have them outside of ISKCON just as much! it’s part of this age itself and your own karmas.
Fantastic video. You are very empathetic for the rest of the Hare Krishnas and ex-devotees. It is nice to see that you care about making the world a better place. You are sharing information on the religion which is very informative, and hopefully the people that watch this will learn a thing or two before the consider joining, or hopefully they find some solace if they've left the community.
I agree that capitalism as we know it has a lot of downsides to it, people struggle with mental health problems and financial difficulties, employment etc - and that religion is not necessarily a solution that will make the world a better place. It may not answer the most existential questions people have in life, and for seekers of truth - they may end up believing in things just because someone fed it to them in with a spoon and they were treated nicely by the other person.
I guess Hare Krishnas dissociate from the word "religion" when they preach on the street and in their lounges and temple, its propably why the Krishna's like to call their religion a science. But its not science. Its not peer reviewed. Its not empirical. Its theories are unfalsifiable, and there's no scientific research which proves their validity. At many times, they are anti-science, and indeed pseudoscience, and furtheremore, believing in conspiracy theories that the scientists around them are evil atheistic materialists.
Hopefully people can be more rational in their beliefs and not so arrogant, forceful, culty, pushy, deceptive, and superstitious. Therapy is so important in this day and age, counselling, group therapy, self-healing, introspection, philosophy, vulnerability, empathy, intimacy. And yes, unfortunately people have to turn to a cult to find this, even though it only resembles true community. Yes, Kirtans and Vegetarian Cuisine is great, singing dancing, spreading positivity, but there is a dark-side to this spiritual façade. There are child abusing and rapist gurus, misogynists, spiritual bypassing, sectarianism, forceful preaching, denialism, covering up crimes, gaslighting, manipulating, narcissism, love-bombing. I mean I'm sure its just as crazy as every other religion out there. Scientology, The Catholic Church, Wahhabi Islam.
I definitely think that the regressive ideas of spreading misogyny should be done with, and its unfortunate that a lot of the women in their groups have internalised misogny. I mean who in their right mind would justify this statement, or try to play contextual word games to reinterpret what Prabhupad said? Take this literally, because that's what it means.
"“In this regard, the word vikhyātam is very significant. A man is always famous for his aggression toward a beautiful woman, and such aggression is sometimes considered rape. Although rape is not legally allowed, it is a fact that a woman likes a man who is very expert at rape.” (SB 4.25.41)"
No thanks. We don't need this. Swipe left, block and delete.
Thanks!! And agree, haha.
Thank you! I think that religion makes the world a worse place, and is at the core of the abrupt climate change and mass extinction and loss of habitat that we are now beginning to experience at an alarming rate.
Sure, coping and calling out to God is fine, but does not anbd should not equivocate into the realm of real world issues. Religions train people to be delusional to cvarying degrees, and in my opinion, the sooner we let go of this first attempt at humans to explain the world, the better.
Please edit this to a few sentences .u sound very confused ,over thinking
Science can never know everything as it has limitations and understanding God is philosophical question not scientific. For example a person who doesn’t have eye can never understand the difference among colours. The same way science can only talk about those things which are within its perception. Science has no explanation for love, ego, kindness etc.
@@guitarslinger_games it is up to person. You can’t generalise after all killing is bad, stealing is bad: these ideas came from religion only. Without religion there is no concept of ethics.
The speaker doesn’t know about the Bhakti recovery group. An iskcon group that uses AA principles to heal addiction etc. also there are now counselors and psychologists who are Krishna devotees. Etc
What radhika doesn’t know, because she is not able to see the organization for what it is, is that a therapy group or therapist that is committed to a particular religion cannot be a real therapist.
At the heart of addiction is trauma. How is a Hare Krishna therapist supposed to help a fellow member if they can’t acknowledge the basic fact that joining the organization that they are both a part of is central to understanding their trauma and that leaving that organization is the only way to begin to fully heal.
The cult came very close to destroying my life. It should remain where it belongs - in India. It works there.
Idk, maybe it works better there but it is doing a lot of damage there. Hindu nationalism has functionally destroyed what was the largest democracy in the world and if and when it will become a democracy again. The HK religion certainly isn’t entirely responsible for this but it is a part of the many separate groups that have been working in various ways towards this end. Anyhow, glad to hear you weren’t t sucked in!
Bro u should study about south indian we are base of Hinduism but the north India made them a cult only Brahmins do that bhakti poja and old people we don't go to temples daily there should be a balance in everything in life
India also hates Iskon trust me
Hindu nationalism 🤦 you are sick 🤦just look at religions of stalin, Hitler and many more 🤦@@GauraRader
Hare Krushna, the highest truth
One who seeks pleasure from material they may get material pleasure but that is ephemeral. What everyone needs in the end of the day is eternal and unconditional love. Apart from Krishna no other person will love you unconditionally. It is not anyone's fault. Most of the in the world are under delusion and can't see the reality. And friends will only remember you as long as you can please them. Krishna is the only true friend. I am not a part of Iskcon but I saw many people their life changed and filled with happiness after joining Iskcon. There are a lot of people joining Hare Krishna movement but the question what is your Intension is it you are only looking for happiness or you want to know eternal all pervading supreme truth Narayana.
- Om namo Narayana
Ah, here it is, the predictable Hare Krishna drone, sounding like each and every other drone to come before them and every drone after will sound exactly the same.
@@robinfox4440 wow, so woke
Cults don't last 5,000 years like Krishna's teachings have. They are from Indai.
The bhagavad gita fits into my line of thought however, i don't think it is necessary to attend any church or cult movement...I mean they were all created by man. In my mere opinion being vegan, meditation, being careful with your company and in general try and be a good person is sufficient. Furthermore, the daily HK chanting would drive me into mental decline.
I don’t think it is even a religion its a theatrical adaptation of Hinduism trying to live like its 1600
It's a cult
Prabhupada was a Indian L. Ron Hubbard
It used to make me happy but doesn't any more.
Chanting is just 2 hours to avoid being on by phone and avoiding others around me.
I still smoke which I hide
I like to drink alcohol which I hide
Im really not into Hare Krishna any more but still go on Harinam to assist others with filming.
I am married to a Radhanath swami Disciple.
I am never taking initiation because deep down I think its all a bunch of bullshit.
I feel like I am leading a double life.
Chanting rounds at home
Smoking when no one is looking
I cannot be helped out of my situation
I cant talk to anyone so just fold my palms and say Hare Krishna
Man, that's no way to live! Feel free to message me on IG or email me. Or just talk to a therapist or if you have close family or friends who are not associated with the cult. There is a better way to a good life. It may take some time to get there but it is possible!
I'd caution against replacing one type of fundamentalism with another type of fundamentalism.
Hare Krishna is the destroyer god. Its literally satan/devil. Good job buddies!
You should chant Hare Krishna Mahamantra my friend
Hare Krishna hare Krishna Krishna Krishna hare hare hare Ram hare Ram Ram Ram hare hare ❤️🙏
Sounds like you've let your mind take over.
There's nothing wrong with it anymore than any other religion. I'm not a part of Iskcon but I am a Krishna devotee.
Hare Krishna 🙏
its a pedophile cluster cult. and everyone chanting hare Krishna is supporting that cluster system. it is based on lie after lie. Chaitanya was not Krishna, chanting is not the goal of life, Prabhupada was not pure. etc etc etc.
ISKCON harms Hinduism and makes it look like a barberic religion. Sanatana Dharma is culture not religion
So your just saying very vague ways on how its bad..ok you do you i guess, also i would much rather tell my children stories from thousands of years ago over "movies and TV"
Why did you give yourself to the hare Krishna religion?
It's the same as any traumatic relationship, never give yourself away to anybody.
Be you!
If that fits with some aspects of a religion then maybe you can align with that religion.
But you are always the one with the power over what you do or don't do.
I myself felt stuck in a violent relationship some years ago, so I understand how little power it appears we have, but we have given it away, and we can take it back.
Thanks Hali, I am in a good place now and very much feel like I have taken it back, but you’re absolutely right it is the same as any sort of abusive relationship and sometimes we do, for whatever reasons or reasons, give our power away.
Wow i live in a family household and do all things wrongs sins but krishna loves me hes the sweetest most attractive you have to keep trying we been here for ages we have to try and surrender .. i remember first chanting and i felt it knowing that im spirit soul and part and parcel of god he needs nothing but we suffer he requires love
What you are against is institutionalism. God is a personal experience.
We are the only society who is talking about God consciousness, and certainly demons become upset when God is glorified.
There are at least three major world religions that venerate God throughout the world. Maybe you should take a step back and wonder why, if your society is so great and glorious, it's the Christians and Muslims who outnumber you a thousand to one.
@@robinfox4440Dear Robin purchaser of Gold is less in number but they are quality people . Those who want to get cheated the will get the Bluff master like Mohmmad and some are forcefully given that religion according to data 75 % of people who claim to be Christian and Muslim they have not read Quran thoroughly. So even from atheist point of view your statement is folly . Even Mendel father of genetics his followers were less but now you see how genetics is making wonders... One example Copernicus
@@harshitacharya5711I am not high enough to remotely understand wtf you're trying to say.
@@robinfox4440 Dear Robin First became a master in something for example here we are talking about faith and then you express because other wise you are leaving in fool's paradise .
@@harshitacharya5711you're either high or English isn't your second language. Nothing you've written is coherent.
the GBC!!!!!!!! and most of those fake gurus
opium of the people,...
Thanks for your videos. Out of curiosity, even though you're not a devotee are you still vegetarian?
Hi robert, I consider myself vegan/aspiring vegan, but occaisonally I eat a little dairy since not everyone in the house is vegan.
I am really appreciating these videos . I met the Hare Khrisnas when I was 18 in 1978 . I used to love being in the temple , I still love kirtan and prasadam . I always knew I would not join as I did not see it as a feasible life for me . As I used to tell the devotees , attachement to loved ones is what makes me happy so why would I want to give it up ? I also always disliked the segregation between men and women and that little matter of being subservient to your husband was always outrageous . I remember reading the bit about women needing to be protected because they were not as intelligent and could go astray and I was told , well that was written years ago and women and men’s souls are the same , so I just got a body that is not as valuable in this life ? There were never any real answers . I continued to visit over the years with my young children who lived the Sunday feast and because I had made friends who were kind and welcoming . Then all the sex abuse info , at the manor came out , suddenly we had the internet and more access to information and I could not justify it anymore as a practice that I would not adhere to but that it was harmless . My interest in religion I realised was very much more focused on the anthropology side of it than the spiritual side of it . What I enjoy is connecting with people , and I think there were very few deep organic friendships if I was never going to join . I still love the chanting , I would still love to be in the middle of a kirtan , so basically I still only like the 2 things that first attracted me to it . The stories of the friends that I had made there , are not happy ones , especially the ones that are related to people who got married whilst they were devotees .
@@janicaribeiro6350 Awesome! So glad you are enjoying them, and glad you had the good sense to not join. The anthropological, historical, and psychological aspects of religion are all fascinating indeed. I still love chanting, in theory. Nothing is more human than singing and dancing with your tribe. It sucks that in the modern world are missing some of the most basic aspects of what it means to be human. We need to figure out how to add those things into lives without all the crazy, regressive, anti-scientific absurdity.
Straight to the point and powerful. Bold statements about religion. My own is to be nice to others and to try to make the world a better place. Do you have any of the older videos about vegetarianism put up again? I do have a strong belief in the vegan diet and wanted to watch them.
Yea bro for sure it’s not like he’s been saying basically the same thing over and over again with no evidence or examples
Jesus for Hindu’s. There, that’s the whole video in one sentence.
The ink from tattoos goes into the bloodstream and remains. Whilst the the ink on the dermas restricts oxygen to the body
Kali Yuga?
Yup
If you read about Krishna he spoke might humble, to improve the lives of people, not to mislead or lead a cult, the people not only of Krishna but all religions are messed up. Read and watch world news. This guy talking crap.
Iran is Iryan, isn't it ?
This was hard to listen all the way through, because you didn’t mention one thing ISKCON does that is harmful, you went on and on while saying nothing of substance. You claim they make people less happy, that all religion religion makes people less happy. Studies actually show that being active in religion makes people more happy. But I can completely understand where you are coming from. You could absolutely not live your chosen lifestyle as an ISKCON devotee. I can absolutely understand why a leftist homosexual atheist would claim ISKCON is harmful.
Been devotee many years. All well and good.but I avoid temple. Don't wanna offend devotee. This is kali yu.we inevitably gona offend each other. Can't be avoided.best avoid devotees.
Stop this rascaldom.
Be specific and say what is bad about the movement???
If next life i am given the chance to enjoy the life of my dreams. I would opt for that.
Toils of devotion did not yield me a rupee.
Pathetic
Now Join Islam
I watched the first couple of minutes of your video and I think you are missing the point of what Hare Krishna devotees and in general what the religious people are looking for.. I'll speak for the devotees of our movement, we want GOD. Of course the world has its problems and if you've read the Bhagavad Gita, you'd know that the material world was created to satisfy our foolish desires (which only leads to frustration) and to realise that we can't be happy without God..
Well, people say they want God of course, but there’s no reason to thank God exists so what we do as psychologist is understand the underlying motivations of someone who says they want God. Another way of phrasing that is, what are peoplewho join religions and cults missing from their life that causes them to join such organizations. And of course, with any human phenomenon, the answer is always multifactorial. We know that religion fulfills some basic needs like the need for community and need to manage existential terror.
@@GauraRader Ok. You are entitled to your opinions but as we are advised to stay away from atheists, you leave me with no choice but to end this conversation here but I wish you good luck nevertheless 🤞
@@RadharamanDas-x4u And you don't think that is a red flag? They tell you to stay away from people who think differently, which is exactly what cults do.
@@GauraRader Nope. Not for a neophyte like me. These rules are there to safeguard our bhakti creeper in the beginning stages of bhakti but someone like Srila Prabhupada is beyond all these rules as he personally demonstrated.. Until then, I'll have to follow these rules. 🙏
God had given vedas to humanity
Philosophy, lol.
An atheist speaks on philosophy.😅
Have you not read the 10 commandments? ✝️
Have you read the Bhagavad Gita?
@@pxrkhali4824 the bible is the only book that speaks the truth about all things. I know who God is.
@@TheTREEHOUSE18 Yes, like genocide, child killing, and many other things great things. Also, can you prove to me where the Bhagavad Gita speaks falsely about something? Not based off of your Bible but objective facts?
@@pxrkhali4824 krishna taught about war only...he was the leader of the war.
@@pxrkhali4824 when did jesus ordered killing have u ever read new testament.?? There is no evil and no sin.in old testament the world was under devil,s control ,devil did many damages in old testament the devil lied that he is yhwh and gave wrong laws to the Jews but heavenly father also worked both worked in the old testament.those 10 commandments are given by father but others are from devil.that's why father sent his son jesus to correct the law and destroy the work devil, jesus had already said that devil is the ruler of this world...
how many years were you in the cult ?
0-18 grew up in it. 18-27 active member/brahmacari, 28-34 member but distanced myself, at 34 became an atheist and cut all ties
i quit a cult at about the same age. there was so much anger bcus i felt duped. it took 2 years to put it behind me. listening to your story is very familiar. thx for sharing your story @@GauraRader
@@peetvader478 Cheers to getting out!
Bru, you grew up in it. Maybe consider being a Christian then, or maybe stay an atheist for now.
Maybe you need to see what's on the other side. Materialist cult does no favour's. See you soon.
The creator of this video should concentrate on being positive and stop criticizing others.
Even if you were to capitulate and say "OK, I want to believe in Krishna, I want to believe in Vishnu, the Vedas, and Bhakti-yoga", ISKCON and the Hare Krishnas misrepresent those things SO poorly. They turn Vaishnava theology on its head by putting Krishna above of Vishnu, and then turn around and say "oh but it's secret knowledge." But think about it. Secret knowledge that only a handful of failing mathas had access to, in Orissa, a backwater locality in India, until what, Prabhupada came along? It's too far fetched to think that this tiny cult in Orissa contained "the Truth" about Vedanta that the rest of the entire subcontinent somehow missed.
Yup!
Great point!!! Im a born Hindu and Shiva Devotee. Thanks to Shiva, i experienced their hate against Shiva. They even put Krishna above Vishnu. Such a shame. No indian does that. These Iskon guys are westeners coming to India telling indian people what is right. Its nonsense
@@shivaindica8411ISKCON truly is the Mormonism of Hinduism. Every other orthodox practitioner looks at them sideways and laughs about their strange behaviours and beliefs.
@@robinfox4440 so true. I could tell you a whole story how misleading they are and how they try to cope with their own failures. Most of them failed in life and now they have a new chance to feel superior with Iskon above others
Hare Krishna 💗
I hope all of you have achieved happiness by not being part of ISKCON ...
Doesn't matter if you join ISKCON or not ... But please keep developing your love towards God
Bravo🎉
whats so bad about gaura radar? criminal record,pedophile..we just dont know do we...whos to judge..whats his secrets?
One's life should be focused on seeking a higher purpose instead of entertaining own body. The more you seek pleasure in the illusion world, more the suffering it causes. One reason people come out of spirituality is they can't forget their material pleasures. Supreme can be realized only when someone detaches from everything. Two pleasures most people fall into are, 1. taste- People put almost everything they find in their mouth because of taste. When the food crosses the tongue, there is no taste. everything becomes the same. Tongue here is an illusion. Natura wants you to eat more so you can expand and grow, The Next pleasure world after is sex, a man spends his entire life chasing after women and spends his entire life focused and building a family. sex and the associated organs are an illusion here. In this context, nature wanted us to increase in numbers. Ultimately nature wanted us to do two things, grow, expand, and increase in numbers. Spirituality is not for everyone. Only a highly evolved soul through various births can disconnect from material pleasures and devote itself entirely to the divine.
Apart from that, there is balance in nature so good and bad people always coexist each other. It does matter hare Krishna or the minister of the so-called parliament.
The real problem is that we do not know what real surrender means. What is after all yours, your material possessions, definitely not, then what is yours, it's simply your mind. Giving your mind to the master or the hare Krishna is real devotion and real surrender. Once again it is not for everyone.
Do you belive in Dead... bro....? Hahaha....Its not what you belive...its abour TRUTH
Was curious about the local Krishnas here and stumbled across this channel. Recognized your shirt! Also a gator grad! What’s up?!
Still one of my favorite tshirts all these years later 😂😂
Dear friend, you have not even understood the basics like body, soul, God, happiness, life, incarnation and the like. And you started to concoct your own definitions of happiness and all the rest. Your definitions are are widely prevailing in the society which is suffering in and out due to false conceptions bass on petty material whims and fancies. I am a working person, I earn and I am a very active ISKCoON member. Please wake up to the reality of life and you will find absolute bliss and happiness which is missing in today's society due to the misconception about life and the essential components that make life happy. I invite you to one of the ISKCON centers to live there and learn about life and happiness.
My initiated name is Damodar Das from ISKCON Jagannath temple Sheshadripuram, Bangalore.
This video doesn't make sense
Cult? Lol ok.
Illuminate me this: if the Hare Krishna religion isn’t a cult then give me some examples of cults and explain why those organizations are cult and Iskcon is not.
So you left the cult behind so you could be a socialist communist leftist. So now you're a happy camper?
Not quite. As I matured I gradually jettisoned irrational beliefs and gradually aligned my core metaphysical, epistemological and moral beliefs with objective rational principles :)
would you say most of the people in Nazi Germany were good people but got caught up in a cult ?
I think that's a tricky question. Most of them, by definition, were averagish humans, which means normal people are capable of great evil. There's a sense in which the people of Nazi Germany who supported Nazism were quite normal humans but also quite evil. So, normal people are capable of great evil. We see that now as well with virtually everyone in the developed world. Despite having various privilidges we do almost nothing about the horrific levels of deprivatio around us. Very few of us donate any significant amount of money or volunteer significant amount of time to help fix things. We as humans are very influenced by social norms and prevailing behavior standards of groups we are a part of, which is why cults focus on brining people into the group rather than winning people over through logical debate. Anyhow, from a moral philosophical perspective, the clearest thing we can say is that their actions were wrong.
Thank you. I am wondering if you have checked deeply the religion of Al Islam, ALLAH and His Glorious Names including His 99 names, our Beloved Prophet Muhammad's Character (peace and blessings be upon Him). I've got to say you shall be fascinated (for real hoping that you reaally do study it deeply, morally and wholesomely 💖🌸💐)
The most impersonal materialistic power-monging culture that I've ever experienced.
they are extroidinary narcisstic and dictators. Mine is my grandfather who is my only parent right now he will NOT let me eat meat. Put your bias aside for a second I am a *GROWING* girl, there is no data to support vegetarian/veganism is very good for *growing* teens and also he does not want to share his food with me anyway, and I have to provide for myself, so I am extremely poor, and when I do get my hands on some meat it is so difficult to eat it because he makes fun of me, looks down on me etc, when I try to get sleep he wakes me up screaming at me about something I did not do, I do my best but it isn't good enough I think I am going to end myself at this point right before my 18th birthday cus I can't take it anymore.
The two basic things I've needed throughout my childhood was food and sleep and I get neither of those, all because of the narcissism and dictatorship. I get it, it is his house, but I think I am going to get diabetes or a serious health illness at this point, so maybe I should just cut the head off of the chicken (myself) and call it a day.
No point writing comments, you are screening and retaining the comments that suit your ugly and false views about Hare Krishna. Iwrote a comment and it was not included in the list of comments. Come clean, come face to face with our senior devotees and sanyasis. They will help correct your misconceptions about life, soul, God, happpiness and society. For more contact me personally. I am Damodar Das from ISSKCON Jagannath temple, Bangalore.
I don't screen or delete comments. I think YT does that automatically sometimes. I am happy to have a conversation or debate with any senior devotee or sanyasi. I'm easy to find and get in touch with. So far no one has sought me out for a debate or conversation and every senior devotee or sanyasi I've tried to engage with has had no interest in genuine conversation about anything of these issues.
You have to have faith he is real i suffer we all do but have faith im a dickhead i fuk up get angry smoke lust full shamonka but the lord says keep trying he loves us.. You have to keep chantibg as do i
Bald with tattoos Figures