Honestly I grew up in a conservative evangelical family, and it took me forever to eventually find Traditional Catholicism and Protestantism, and I began to study more, and I am now an Anglican, and honestly my parents were so opposed to science that they never even took me to the dentist, or to the doctor.
Sorry if a comment section isn't the place to do it but i am quite curious as to why you chose anglicanism? My very limited knowledge of it is that some king wanted to make his own rules so he could get divorced and that's where it started. Obviously there's gotta be more to it than that but I would like to hear your thoughts if possible
I'm brazilian. I was raised evangelical, but I think the same things about the movement. now I want to go to a traditional church here in Brazil. I'm studying and maybe become a Lutheran. Your videos helped me. thank you very much.
Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way. We deserve Hell because we've sinned. Lied, lusted stolen, etc. But God sent his son to die on the cross and rise out of the grave. We can receive forgiveness from Jesus. Repent and put your trust in him. John 3:16 Romans 3:23❤❤❤
As a hardened Evangelical Christian, i think you are correct with the issues with the movement. And I do believe our fear of "liberal" ideology is a big reason the Church is dying in the west. However I also belive that sound doctrine is incredibly important. And in the modern-day day we are seeing Mainline Church leaders compromise our Faith to fit the Leftist Religion of Self we see in society rather than teach true Bible and true doctrine. Im glad your personal Church still holds to sounds doctrine. But as you stated in your 95 theses video, many mainline Church leaders allow blatant heresy to run rampant in there congregations. That is why I remain a fervent Evangelical. I guess I'm just fighting for our isolationist mindset to change into true evangelism.
Liberal ideology is literally anti Christian ideology though. That would be like early Christians in the Roman time saying "our anti idol worship stance is a big reason for why the church isn't growing so maybe we should accept it"
I agree every time I try to go more traditional I find myself just looking at it as so corrupt. Like I tried to stay Catholic my parents were but purgatory, Mary, just focused on sacraments, it was completely missing on the relationship. The pope, the church overall. Calvinism can’t get behind it. I watch this Chanel though and love it. I’ll take my bashing 😂 3 years of recovery with Jesus! Christ alone! Que the fog machine!
@@Adam444Tv, you know you can have both, sacraments and personal relationship, right? In fact, they are supposed to be correlated to each other. Maybe some pious writings would help. I’m thinking about things like Story of a Soul by Thérèse of Lisieux.
im an evangelical and my church is super charismatic, today i went to a reformed church and it was very interesting how similar it is to catholicism in terms of tradition. i guess i like that. it’s always interesting to see how different the body of Christ is
Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way. We deserve Hell because we've sinned. Lied, lusted stolen, etc. But God sent his son to die on the cross and rise out of the grave. We can receive forgiveness from Jesus. Repent and put your trust in him. John 3:16 Romans 3:23❤😊❤❤
I think evangelicals deserve some credit for keeping Christianity visible and thriving in their own way. Believing the Bible and being distrustful of academics may be cringe but it seems like their instincts were in the right place even if they went overboard on certain issues. Retaking the cities for Christianity is a great lofty goal but I find it hard to blame someone trying to raise a Christian family running away from the cities and joining a rural church.
@@redlethe8679 He said "Believing the Bible and being distrustful of academics may be cringe." That implies both of the listed items, believing the Bible, and being distrustful of academics may be cringe. So yes, that is virtually what he said
@georgiamapping I think he meant in the way that being a Christian and also not trusting science makes us look bad. It definetly could've been worded better though.
By the way, I've lived my whole life in California where the so-called "Jesus movement" got it's start and same thing with Pentacostalism and I think Calvary Chapel - so I will say this that it was through this charismatic evangelicalism that I, an economically-left, pot-smoking, acid-dropping, coastal college boy first understood the gospel first hand in defiance of my firmly non-religious parents, and was for precisely this reason: that these movements (particularly the West Coast charismatics) based their whole identity on welcoming the kid with long hair and sandals who was often scorned by traditional protestants but, ironically, looked externally a lot more like Lord Jesus Christ and His impovershed fisherman disciples than the attendees of a mainline Protestant church looked like. The evangelicals are masterminds of, well, evangelism. The irony is that once he becomes a Christian, the newly-evangelized often becomes interested in theology and history and quickly leaves the movement for a more intellectual tradition such as Orthodoxy or Reform-ism.
As someone from a very rural area, cities do not influence us except in the form of aversion. What we see in cities, we want less of in every sense. Friggin’ hate big cities. They’re full of consoooooomers.
As a general rule, people from small towns understand people from cities, but people from cities have no idea whatsoever what people in small towns think or why. Rural vs urban is the greatest divide in humanity, for good reason.
I think you are very, very, very, very colored by your experience in one of the largest cities in the world, and don’t see the major flaws in your thinking on that issue. You are generally great, but sometimes you dig your heels in on something you just don’t fully grasp. You are usually pretty giving with opinion vs fact on theology, but on non-theological issues I think you could stand to open yourself up to other viewpoints. Actually let me rephrase that, you ought to listen to people with differing opinions than yours on art, music, and culture, because you are often arrogant about them.
Rural evangelicals have influenced North America in the last 100 significantly more mainline churches have, and for people living anywhere but the urban northeast, nothing in the entire world is most influential than evangelicalism. Your view on this is so myopic and just flat out wrong.
@@calebneff5777 I think the issue is that we as evangelicals couldn't fight back against the subversion because there is no effective countermeasures against subversion that doesn't require straight up force. The subversion is far from just religious too, its political and cultural. How can we possibly fight back when the enemy hides among us and people end up supporting them or not seeing them as an enemy? Its all Marxist, which is Jewish by nature. Our "greatest allies" hate Christ and hate us as well and yet we treat them as friends and followers of the same God. Take a look at any anti-christian part of our culture and you will find Jews funding it or leading it.
I just go to a Baptist Church cause it's familiar as I was born southern Baptist in Texas. And I would consider myself an evangelist considering it was decreed by Jesus to go into the world and preech the gospel to every creature.
Oh man, I've dealt with both. The types that hard preach about hell, and then the others hard preach about Jesus. Or when folks evangelize but ONLY mention Jesus (the cure) without ever teaching about WHY one would need the cure (sin/hell)
You’ve summed up my thoughts so well and I never knew how to explain it. I believe the scientific method is so important when it comes to making decisions and bettering humanity but that doesn’t absolve the scientific community or all scientists or the powers at be, there are many examples of this being abused but we are all forced to believe that the scientific method is being properly used when it’s not
"You shall know them by their fruits" The protestant reformation created the 'churches' that don't even believe in the resurrection, as well as all sorts of other lunacy that seems to constantly spring forth from them. That's why I'm comfortable being catholic, even if the current pope says some things that sound dangerously close to heresy. The trad-catholics and the more liberally minded catholics still agree on what matters most. My priest has given a lot of sermons recently on "leaving your flags at the door", warning against choosing to attend a church that just aligns with your political values. I'm pretty traditionalist myself, but I'm proud that my church won't let that tear us apart. We are the one Catholic and Apostolic church, and that becomes more and more clear to me the more I study it. Jesus gave a special responsibility to Peter, and the Papacy is the continuation of that responsibility.
@@franciscooliveira8585bro, orthodoxy does teach the gospel. In fact them and Catholics are the closest to the original church, don’t not try to compete with that. You will not win
I find that before a certain decade, what we now think of as "Evangelical" (or neo-evangelical) had constituency within the Mainline bodies: charismatic Episcopalians, Billy Graham telling people to find established churches post conversion etc etc This is in distinction to the later neofundamentalism which overtook large swaths of the Evangelical tradition in the coalition of the Christian Right. After that point, the lines were more rigidly drawn between conservative Evangelicals (politically and theologically) and progressive Mainliners (politically and theologically).
i grew up in one of the few evangelical churches in europe and i cant stop watching this video since it perfectly sums up everything i didn't like about my church. i am protestant now
The conservative evangelicals did run away, but they didn't hide, they separated themselves from the mainline. I live in a rather large city and even when traveling across the nation can find at least one fundamentalist (conservative evangelical) church where ever I go, and the places I go are not rural. That isn't to say that there is _only_ one per state (because I live in the U.S.), the place I live has around 10 big fundamentalist churches (btw, this is not in the bible belt).
There’s one thing I would argue, but first. This is all really informative and helpful, I’m chocked at how much you know considering that you’re probably close to my age. But again, there’s one point that I would argue against and it’s that we oppose science, evolution primarily. Evolution is entirely opposite to the doctrine of the Bible and is poison to the gospel. Believing that man evolved from the ape which (eventually) evolved from single called organisms goes against Genesis where God made *Humans* male and female. Also believing that God could use evolution for creation would put millions of years of death and disease before the fall of man. This would mean that death doesn’t come as payment for sin, but rather predates it and therefore would make the death of Jesus meaningless because he our sin doesn’t give us the death sentence.
Huge difference believing that nature was designed to die and evolve vs humanity being a special case that was designed to be different, but experienced death due to the fall. The Bible does not really stand for the no death pre fall position except to people. Indeed, there is countless processes ingeniously designed by God to recycle dead material and perpetuate creation, like fungi. Whole species are entirely designed to clean up or kill populations to keep them under control. I don't see any issue giving God credit for creating such an interconnected and self perpetuating system. And, with everything else in a cycle of death, it makes God's special creation falling from immortality so much worse
i’m coming out of Evangelicalism myself for many reasons, and seeking to understand & discern truth. now folks might call me a woke leftist, but i am glad to step out of my ‘bubble’ and hear a diagnostic perspective of Evangelicalism (and Fundamentalism) that centers its underlying ideas (i.e. mass-marketed revivalism & cultural isolationism) and not so much the political issues.
Mr. Redeemer we really need you at the Presbyterian Church of India, the largest Reformed denomination in India. My church is not liberal but it has deviated so much from reformed theology and is so much influenced by the evangelical movement that it has practically become an infant baptizing Baptist church at this point. No tradition, low church, no reverence of sacraments. I think there is a tendency among Presbyterians in general to become more Baptist everywhere around the world.
@@masbucket3083another thing to realize with evangelicalism is that because of the lack of a well-established historical church tradition, the belief system depends heavily on the pastors of the church. I have had both very good and very bad pastors, and the church thrived and suffered accordingly.
The thing about public schools is they vastly differ in quality depending on where you live, where I live they have none of the problems you mentioned, growth in education, and a conservative majority. I think public schools are a big mixed bag and they are not all bad it just depends on where you live and your district. My sister went to a fancy private school and I went to the local public school and I ended up getting better teachers and basically the same coursework.
Scary how many I’ve seen in my life turn out true well after the fact. I saw the viet nam wall in person. A couple years ago msm even broke that the CIA faked radar to say we were attacked when we were not. Causing all that war did. And no one rioted. No one cared. And thousands died for our govts lies. When the truth eventually comes out about Covid and the 2020 election, woooo boy but I’m sure that won’t be for 50 years or so. That way anyone responsible is well out of the reach of any justice, the population cooming and consuming none the wiser.
I think their eschatology could've influenced their decision to leave the mainline churches 🤔 Also I don't think being against (theistic) evolution equates to being against science. I'm not convinced of the YEC position anymore, but you can think evolution is wrong without being against science.
One analogy I personally find helpful is to draw from another (frankly more developed) area of science to understand how models can be fundamentally wrong but useful. So let’s talk some physics. If you know anything about Newton’s laws, you’ve probably heard of the second, usually summarized as F=MA. It’s a fundamental law of nature, and forms the basis for describing all of how we understand mechanics. Except it’s wrong. It’s fundamentally incorrect. Einstein’s theories of relativity show that F=MA is a very very good approximation, but it is, technically speaking, wrong. Evolutionary theory is as much a pillar of modern biology as Newton is/was of physics. It’s not hard to imagine in 100 years a shift in theory that explains how it is a useful model yet not entirely accurate. Herein lies the soul of true science: continual discovery and questioning, not a dogmatic sticking to one theory to explain everything.
Sorry you cannot. Evolution happened and is happening and that’s an objective and obvious fact. You still have some YEC poison clouding your vision I think.
@@timothysullivan1669well I think you fail to see the difference in the two theories. In 100 years evolution will still look like the same model. Genetics isn’t going anywhere and natural selection is logically true as well as observed. It’s worked this way since life began and there isn’t any data that could change that past.
I grew up in the 1990s. My parents were not church goers, but not atheists either. My main contact with evangelicalism was with the Christian kids in my school and the Christian teachers. I live in a very small town and the 2 churches in it wielded a big influence. The main thing that put me off from them was their anti intellectual stance on everything and complete unwillingness to have any discussion on their faith. Add in the super fake and ghey 1990s evangelical culture like the promise keeper movement and i was thoroughly repulsed by evangelicalism until my mid 20s.
The worst part about it is that I equated Christianity with evangelicalism. I imagine many Americans do the same thing. In rural areas especially, evangelicalism is the only Christianity many people know.
@@moisheplatinumberg6016Not in the Midwest and Northeast! I remember growing up in Iowa, even most of the super religiously conservative people were Lutheran, Methodist or Reformed. People associated Evangelicals not with theological conservatism but rather new age worship styles with electric guitars and drums on stage, people dressed like it’s a kids soccer tournament, the pastor in a suit rather than a robe and generally more of a “fringe” attitude.
I think it's fair to say you are overly broad in criticism of evangelical churches. Stereotyping at some points I'd go as far as to say. The idea that evangelical churches have a "spirit of isolation" is incorrect as a broad statement. Perhaps certain churches are that way, but definitely not all. The majority of churches I've attended that would you would describe as evangelical are involved in community outreach and missionary work like no other. I don't think the description of mainline Protestantism is fair either. But I see why you would have a low opinion of them because you did help start/join a movement against the mainline Protestant churches. (Which I'm all for correcting more liberal churches with heretical or unscriptural views.) All that aside I love the content man. Bless you brother for being so involved in the faith and concerned with the churches wellbeing. I know you're coming from a place of love. Go in peace!
While I do disagree with a lot of what you said, I will stay 😊 You also made some very good points like fighting for the culture, instead of retrieving, that does seem to makes sense 👍
It's worth noting here that there is no requirement that believers believe every doctrine in their church's Confessions of Faith, Statements of Belief, or whatever comparable term they call them. In fact, I imagine most lay people don't even know all their denomination's official beliefs. There are plenty of theological conservatives in "mainline" churches, and there are plenty of theological liberals in "evangelical" churches. Indeed, many people have liberal positions on some theological issues, and conservative positions on others. It's just like politics, in that sense.
This is true. In college I went to a SBC church even though i grew up Pentacostal. I went there because they were theologically sound, even if i disagreed with some of their beliefs. And they knew I was Pentecostal too. They simply asked that I am willing to learn under their beliefs, but that I dont have to change mine
The worst thing about evangelicals that you forgot to mention is the prosperity gospel. To christians, it doesn't take being the next Thomas Aquinas to know it's not what the Bible says. To secular audiences, it's just a scam disguised as christianity.
I agree with much of your perspective on this issue. However, I disagree with your premise of why the cities are liberal. I believe that all of the social systems and public conveniences of city life are directly opposed to the principle of self-reliance and self reliance is inseparable from conservative values. Living in a heavily populated city involves trading freedoms for convenience. In other words, I would argue that every subtlety of big city living psychology grooms the inhabitants toward liberalism, and the contrary being equally true about rural living. Rural living is the ultimate gauntlet of meritocracy, with the extreme example being off-grid living in which if you suck you die. Not saying this is the only factor at play in this phenomena, but I do believe it is the most prominent.
I disagree with the view that cities are not self-reliant. On the contrary, when I came of age I left my small town and moved to the city because I couldn’t stand the mindset of dependence and fatalism that existed in a rural town in the Rust Belt. Except for essential services, there was only one employer (a local factory) so the idea was that you would work for this factory for basically your entire working career. You would join the local union, the local “old boys club” institutions. And if you got fired from the factory or the union didn’t like you, or if the local evangelical church rejected you, well… let’s just say your options for employment or a social life elsewhere are limited. Contrast that with the city. You’ll be surrounded 24/7 by people who are smarter than you, who will work harder than you, and who will throw you under the bus at the earliest opportunity and not lose a wink of sleep over it. But on the plus side, if your employer mistreats you, you can walk out the door and across the street and probably have another job within the hour. Heck, I have recruiters reaching out to *me* encouraging me to apply because they need people. Not to mention that there is every demographic and every social outlet for every sort of person you could ever need here. I have never felt more self-reliant and in control of my own life and career since moving to the city. Granted, my city is not a place where everyone knows everyone. This is not a place where you see your daddy’s buddy’s sister’s girlfriend’s former roommate on a leisurely stroll down the street and stop to have a conversation for 3 hours, because what else do we have to do on a Sunday, amirite? This is a place where thousands of people traverse every single day, working 70 hours a week to pay the high rent, walking past the homeless on every corner to remind us what could happen if we fail. But we also pass by skyscrapers and limousines to remind of of what’s possible if we succeed. It’s capitalism and self-reliance at its most pure.
I generally love your stuff, but the point about all evangelicals being anti-science is a huge straw man. Some certainly are, but (like you said about the PCUSA) there is huge variety from congregation to congregation and it’s not fair to generalize the way you spent half this video doing. At my church for example one of our pastors has a degree in chemistry and another in computer science that they earned before going to seminary. Our church has several medical doctors and many engineers. The oil industry is big in our city and there is a group of Dad’s that all have degrees in chemical engineering, geology, and geophysics. Another guy at our church runs an IT company. We have several PhD’s in various fields both scientific and non-scientific. I have never though of my church as being anti-science and many of the smartest professionals I know I’ve met at church. If it’s not fair to say that all Presbyterians are SJW liberals then it’s also not fair to say that all evangelicals are anti science. It comes down to individuals and local congregations. Your generally pretty good at being charitable to other denominations, but you’re really dropping the ball here. Try going to some evangelical churches and actually talking to the people there: you might be surprised!
"Public school standards have gone down, but that's a separate issue" Is it? The "education ~= salvation" Judeo-Christian tradition is a big part of why uncorrupted, high-quality education has been prized, in the successful cultures building on those religious foundations.
I want your thoughts on progressive education, Christian education, and classical Christian education. That's if you know or have studied what I am talking about. Great videos. I'm a former Catholic who became a non-denominational evangelical. Miss the traditional Catholic church--may need to check out a conservative Presbyterian church.
I respect Evangelicals … I do NOT respect fanatics within their ranks who gatekeep “real Christians” while THEY are the new ones. Laugh at the Mainline all you want (they drive me crazy, too), but they’re 100% correct that some of these Evangelical groups ARE “separated from the Vine.” They’re new age.
What is meant here by evangelicalism? In the rest of the world, evangelicals are usually identified by their actions meeting their names - yes, they are staunchly conservative Protestants, but their uniting feature is evangelism...the evangelism from which their name comes from. Sure, it may be unpopular in many cultures - evangelicals are all but illegal in most socialist nations because of this, most notably China, who allow "quieter" and conformist versions of Christianity, and certainly contemporary western culture detests the evangelical message of repentance - but being unpopular doesn't equate with being isolationist. Again, I'm not sure if the term is being applied differently here, but the whole conversation seems completely off key with the nature of the term as used around the world (Asia, Africa, Oceania, Europe).
To start, I may be biased as a non denominational evangelical. When I’m out in the community, it’s always evangelicals that have a high presence. They are the ones trying to reach the community. Why does it seem that mainline denominations do not have the same presence? Genuinely curious
If you want to be technical about it, upper case E "Evangelical" originally referred to the movement started by Martin Luther, with Lutheran being an exonym. To this day, in Germany, the Evangelische Kirche is the standard Protestant church, with little if any distinction being made between Lutherans and Calvinists. It's also why the mainline American Lutheran Church, the ELCA, has Evangelical in its name despite having nothing to do with modern Evangelicalism.
I grew up in a traditional Methodist church, so I know the Gloria Patri. So we did all the traditions, all the things you’re “supposed” to do. And they never explained WHY or what it had to do with me. It was just what good church-goers are to do. It was just routine and ritual, with no true gospel message. Not to mention being ok with lesbian pastors and all kinds of nonsense. That is why people are leaving traditional churches. So many are dead.
You kind of make it sound like the schism in the western protestant churches makes you chose between churches better theology or better tradition. Maybe this makes me an evangelical, but I personally lean towards picking theology first, and then find (or help to create) the most traditionally rich place I can from there. And I know you agree somewhat with that, or you’d be catholic/eastern orthodox, because they certainly have the most/richest/oldest traditions. However your theology compels you to remain protestant. The reformation was what I might call a “necessary tragedy”. Once you split, there is no going back to a place where splitting isn’t an option. But I think the true protestant spirit is not to split but to try to reform the church-and to be kicked out for it. Is there a word for people who don’t desire to split, but are forced out because they speak against the church violating its own theology? What are those people to do besides form their own assembly and begin to build or try to recover their own traditions?
I'm curious if you've had a conversation with an evangelical about your thoughts. You're making a lot of broad statements that I'm sure don't encapsulate the whole.
Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way. We deserve Hell because we've sinned. Lied, lusted stolen, etc. But God sent his son to die on the cross and rise out of the grave. We can receive forgiveness from Jesus. Repent and put your trust in him. John 3:16 Romans 3:23❤😊❤❤
Vale lembrar que há diferença entre o evangélico proveniente do "evangelicalismo" e do termo "evangélico" esse já antigo, o próprio Melâncton sucessor de Lutero usou o termo "Igreja Evangélica Alemã" para denominar aquele grupo, esse sendo mais antigo do que o próprio termo "luteranismo" não sei como essa relação se dá em outros países mas aqui no Brasil temos denominações tradicionais com o nome evangelical por exemplo: Igreja Evangélica Luterana do Brasil Eu sou presbiteriano porém todos nós adotamos esse termo, apesar de que outros grupos não tradicionais também o aderem, acredito que ao invés de simplesmente aderir a novilíngua devemos lutar pelos nomes que representam a nossa fé. Saudações do Brasil 🇧🇷
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The Evangelical mentality seems to me eerily similar to the Traditionalist Catholic mentality. When you say "Evangelicals" in this video, you could change it to "Trad Catholics", and it would be just as valid.
So can I be pentecostal (Assemblies of God), be in a traditional church, serious in their knowledge, out of the evangelical craziness, personally side with double predestination and still make sense? I mean, the spiritual gifts stuff, man. It gets me.
2:55 "as of right now, I'm part of the PCUSA, but this might change if I have to move somewhere else". Imagine choosing your basic theological stances based on the city you're living in at the moment. Also, it's such a joke to hear a protestant advocating for tradition, when it was the protestant founders the ones who started their own religion to break away from real tradition.
I don't have any real issue with your video, except with the term "conspiracy", simply because it's a way to silence any form of believe without having to suffer the weight of the proof, and therfore having to give an explaination of why you belive that said view is false. This is not unique to anybody, but is a good idea to get rid off that word use to have a wider view of reality.
I proudly call myself a Mainline, liberal, non-evangelical Episcopalian. Your video was rather refreshing. That might sound weird coming from someone like me, but I do appreciate two of the points that you made: 1. Secession. You are spot-on that evangelicals have a well-documented history of seceding at the first sign of theological disagreement if it is clear that their position is going to turn out to be in the minority. Even when modernist Christians have been in the minority, as we very often have been on social issues in the last century, we tend to be more willing to play the long game until minds start to change in our existing churches. I am LGBT so this is directly relevant to my experience. It was abundantly clear to me growing up that my Methodist church held a very literal view of the Bible and wasn’t ready to accept my real self. But I figured the best way to change that would be to change the culture of the church using whatever tools I had available, however limited those were at the time. Not once did it occur to me to secede with all the other gays and move out off the grid to form our own church. That isn’t really keeping with the idea of the common cup. 2. Science denial is a very serious issue that the Evangelical movement is going to have to address at some point. I don’t care what one believes about theological issues like transubstantiation or what your eschatology is. You do you. What I have a huge problem with is the practice of using personal salvation or individual religious experience to deny the validity of modern medicine. Case in point: vaccines. We could have limited the spread of disease so much more effectively if our court system wasn’t terrified of offending “religious liberty” at the expense of lives.
Thank you for your comment, but you should know that despite not being evangelical, I am profoundly conservative. I hold the same views Evangelicals and Catholics generally do about LGBT, only unlike Evangelicals, I stay in the mainline to try and make it more conservative. I do agree with you completely about science, vaccines, and medicine and such.
My problem with your “Evangelicals don’t believe in science” spiel is that you assume Darwinian evolution is science, which is utterly false. It’s a theory which has largely been discredited over the last 50 or so years.
@@jonathanw1106 Yes indeed. The 1953 Stanley Miller Experiment proved that even in a lab with all the perfect ratios of chemicals and raw materials present at The Big Bang you can not even create amino acids, much less living cells with all their vast complexity. The conclusion of that experiment is that science (or rather scientists) don’t have the slightest clue how life began, and therefore necessitates a Creator. Secondly, the fossil record of the Cambrian Explosion does not support an evolution of differing species over millions or years. Rather, you see common ancestry at the specie level, but the evidence does not support common ancestry at the higher levels. In other words, Darwin’s tree of life is nothing more than a pretty picture. It is not grounded in reality. Third, the pictures of Haekel’s embryos have been proven to be faked, fudged, and misleading. Fourth, the idea that since humans and apes share 98% of the same genes means we share a common ancestor is flawed because it actually supports the Creationist case. In much the same way that Microsoft uses a lot of the same code in all their various applications, so too did God use much the same DNA in the creation of the various species. Fifth, the Archaeopteryx (the supposed missing link between bird and reptiles) has been shown to be fraudulent. So too the Java Man (the supposed missing link between between apes and humans) was a fraudulent fossil where they combined human remains with ape fossils and called it science. You must understand that Darwinism is a philosophy still in search of convincing empirical data. It is masquerading itself as science.
“It’s not science it’s a theory.” Bro what? Theories are part of science. A scientific “theory” isn’t a “guess,” it’s an explanation that unifies a broad range of facts and hypotheses (testable claims) and can be used to make predictions.
@@BwooodNo he didn’t. And also, the science of evolution has moved on from simple Darwinism. There are other theories of evolution that improve upon Darwinism.
I go to an evangelical church and I still don’t understand how the people remain so Conservative whilst being so liberal. They literally worship with a whole rock band and a light show and retain their traditional values. It genuinely bewilders me because the church and its occupants feel so liberal but then the Pastor holds together Conservative values. Also I feel as though the great emphasis on the gospels enables the people in the church to refute other biblical teachings (my own mother literally said that Leviticus is pointless because ‘sabbath was made for man not man made for sabbath’ and that 1 Corinthians 6:9 is ‘taken out of historical context’) They’re like a liberal conservative church and it is painful to go to one.
how does a prettier church help you get closer to christ. can someone refer a verse in the gospels cause I haven't found it yet. what's beautiful about christianity is it is the faith maintain a relationship with God. everywhere else people follow a religion but don't have a relationship with God. Jesus came down to live among the common man, he didn't come down in great robes and kingly attire. you can do all the customs but if you have a hardened heart you are not close to God as Jesus said regarding divorce in mark 10: verse 5-9 "Moses created that law cause you have a hardened heart"
I went from baptist to lcms so i don't call myself evangelical even though lutherans are evangelical catholics. I prefer confessional Christian because the implementation of history and rigor
I can see how you would get these ideas as a young man with no children to think about. You know what you believe and don’t really I have to worry about someone brainwashing you. But is someone with children supposed to stay in the church where the Sunday school is teaching them unbiblical things, liberal theology? Children aren’t so set in their beliefs and they’re much more easily confused. Do you expect me to continue to bring my children to a church where they invite homosexuals to speak tell us all about the joys of being homosexual and how it’s not really as sinful as we think? The Bible says bring up your children in the way they should go not let the enemy bring up your children in the way they should go.
Something you're saying is a bit odd, You've stated multiple times academia has been hijacked, I agree we should take it back but if you're aware of the hijacking why do you think distrusting them is such a bad move. I don't see it as a dislike of intellectualism but more as a rejection of the modern establishment. But maybe that plays into your view that we need to take it back.
How much interaction have you had with "evangelicals?" I am hearing a lot of criticism and stereotyping, some of which is fair. However, I think you are a bit over critical of the group as a whole. You say that this group is running away and going rural or whatever. However, the churches I seen are very active both locally and globally. Perhaps moreso than a lot of traditional churches... maybe. In fact, a lot of these orgs pride themselves on evangelism, as well as involvement in the public sphere (love it or hate it). I am not big into the christian music scene, but so what if there are bigger name worship groups with loud, modern sounding music? If it is an instrument for worshipping God, and it has a sound that is relevant, then why not fill the airwaves with it? It's better than Cardi B! I think it is totally cool that you are so knowledgable and so devoted to your denominational tradition. However, no need to poo-poo on other folks' traditions that you feel are lesser or don't have the history that yours does. Truth be told, if we really want to get historical we would all subscribe to a sect of first century Judaism... Anyhow, I have seen some whacky charismatic/evangelical churches, but i have seen more that are represented by people who have a genuine excitement for Jesus and are making huge differences in their communities.
Completely agree. I’ve noticed this in a lot of his critique of other subjects in other videos too. Love the content overall but this is not what I have experienced with evangelicals either.
26:40 way too harsh on catholics?? you just had the pope say he will provide a individual blessing for those who are gay and called conservatives "clinging" when they oppose his progressive stance. are sure we are not harsh enough?
Honestly I grew up in a conservative evangelical family, and it took me forever to eventually find Traditional Catholicism and Protestantism, and I began to study more, and I am now an Anglican, and honestly my parents were so opposed to science that they never even took me to the dentist, or to the doctor.
Wow... thank you for re-affirming my commitment against Evangelicalism
@@redeemedzoomer6053 No problem! The way I look at it is we’re all human, I can’t fault them too much, they’re great folks otherwise.
@@amarok229 yup evangelicals are my brother, they just need to learn a wider perspective
I thought i was an Evangelical, but after hearing all this radical bs im not sure that I am
Sorry if a comment section isn't the place to do it but i am quite curious as to why you chose anglicanism? My very limited knowledge of it is that some king wanted to make his own rules so he could get divorced and that's where it started. Obviously there's gotta be more to it than that but I would like to hear your thoughts if possible
I'm brazilian. I was raised evangelical, but I think the same things about the movement. now I want to go to a traditional church here in Brazil. I'm studying and maybe become a Lutheran. Your videos helped me. thank you very much.
Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way. We deserve Hell because we've sinned. Lied, lusted stolen, etc. But God sent his son to die on the cross and rise out of the grave. We can receive forgiveness from Jesus. Repent and put your trust in him.
John 3:16
Romans 3:23❤❤❤
@@christianweatherbroadcastingdude, please don’t say things like this. Nobody entirely understands how life works from what Jesus said.
As a hardened Evangelical Christian, i think you are correct with the issues with the movement. And I do believe our fear of "liberal" ideology is a big reason the Church is dying in the west. However I also belive that sound doctrine is incredibly important. And in the modern-day day we are seeing Mainline Church leaders compromise our Faith to fit the Leftist Religion of Self we see in society rather than teach true Bible and true doctrine. Im glad your personal Church still holds to sounds doctrine. But as you stated in your 95 theses video, many mainline Church leaders allow blatant heresy to run rampant in there congregations. That is why I remain a fervent Evangelical. I guess I'm just fighting for our isolationist mindset to change into true evangelism.
Liberal ideology is literally anti Christian ideology though. That would be like early Christians in the Roman time saying "our anti idol worship stance is a big reason for why the church isn't growing so maybe we should accept it"
I agree every time I try to go more traditional I find myself just looking at it as so corrupt. Like I tried to stay Catholic my parents were but purgatory, Mary, just focused on sacraments, it was completely missing on the relationship. The pope, the church overall. Calvinism can’t get behind it. I watch this Chanel though and love it. I’ll take my bashing 😂
3 years of recovery with Jesus! Christ alone! Que the fog machine!
@@Adam444Tv, you know you can have both, sacraments and personal relationship, right? In fact, they are supposed to be correlated to each other. Maybe some pious writings would help. I’m thinking about things like Story of a Soul by Thérèse of Lisieux.
im an evangelical and my church is super charismatic, today i went to a reformed church and it was very interesting how similar it is to catholicism in terms of tradition. i guess i like that. it’s always interesting to see how different the body of Christ is
evangelicals are usually just very scared of catholicism and see it as idolatry while the reformed church is just reformed catholics basically
Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way. We deserve Hell because we've sinned. Lied, lusted stolen, etc. But God sent his son to die on the cross and rise out of the grave. We can receive forgiveness from Jesus. Repent and put your trust in him.
John 3:16
Romans 3:23❤😊❤❤
I think evangelicals deserve some credit for keeping Christianity visible and thriving in their own way. Believing the Bible and being distrustful of academics may be cringe but it seems like their instincts were in the right place even if they went overboard on certain issues. Retaking the cities for Christianity is a great lofty goal but I find it hard to blame someone trying to raise a Christian family running away from the cities and joining a rural church.
Kinda hard to be set apart when you aren’t set apart
Believing the Bible is not cringe
Not what he said@@georgiamapping
@@redlethe8679 He said "Believing the Bible and being distrustful of academics may be cringe." That implies both of the listed items, believing the Bible, and being distrustful of academics may be cringe. So yes, that is virtually what he said
@georgiamapping I think he meant in the way that being a Christian and also not trusting science makes us look bad. It definetly could've been worded better though.
By the way, I've lived my whole life in California where the so-called "Jesus movement" got it's start and same thing with Pentacostalism and I think Calvary Chapel - so I will say this that it was through this charismatic evangelicalism that I, an economically-left, pot-smoking, acid-dropping, coastal college boy first understood the gospel first hand in defiance of my firmly non-religious parents, and was for precisely this reason: that these movements (particularly the West Coast charismatics) based their whole identity on welcoming the kid with long hair and sandals who was often scorned by traditional protestants but, ironically, looked externally a lot more like Lord Jesus Christ and His impovershed fisherman disciples than the attendees of a mainline Protestant church looked like. The evangelicals are masterminds of, well, evangelism. The irony is that once he becomes a Christian, the newly-evangelized often becomes interested in theology and history and quickly leaves the movement for a more intellectual tradition such as Orthodoxy or Reform-ism.
What's this? A level-headed, reasonable take on the whole evangelical vs mainline, religion vs science debates?? Heresy!!!
As someone from a very rural area, cities do not influence us except in the form of aversion. What we see in cities, we want less of in every sense. Friggin’ hate big cities. They’re full of consoooooomers.
As a general rule, people from small towns understand people from cities, but people from cities have no idea whatsoever what people in small towns think or why. Rural vs urban is the greatest divide in humanity, for good reason.
I think you are very, very, very, very colored by your experience in one of the largest cities in the world, and don’t see the major flaws in your thinking on that issue. You are generally great, but sometimes you dig your heels in on something you just don’t fully grasp. You are usually pretty giving with opinion vs fact on theology, but on non-theological issues I think you could stand to open yourself up to other viewpoints.
Actually let me rephrase that, you ought to listen to people with differing opinions than yours on art, music, and culture, because you are often arrogant about them.
Rural evangelicals have influenced North America in the last 100 significantly more mainline churches have, and for people living anywhere but the urban northeast, nothing in the entire world is most influential than evangelicalism. Your view on this is so myopic and just flat out wrong.
@@calebneff5777 I think the issue is that we as evangelicals couldn't fight back against the subversion because there is no effective countermeasures against subversion that doesn't require straight up force. The subversion is far from just religious too, its political and cultural. How can we possibly fight back when the enemy hides among us and people end up supporting them or not seeing them as an enemy? Its all Marxist, which is Jewish by nature. Our "greatest allies" hate Christ and hate us as well and yet we treat them as friends and followers of the same God. Take a look at any anti-christian part of our culture and you will find Jews funding it or leading it.
Look up the “rat utopia” experiment sometime if you want to think about why cities are the way they are.
I just go to a Baptist Church cause it's familiar as I was born southern Baptist in Texas. And I would consider myself an evangelist considering it was decreed by Jesus to go into the world and preech the gospel to every creature.
Oh man, I've dealt with both. The types that hard preach about hell, and then the others hard preach about Jesus. Or when folks evangelize but ONLY mention Jesus (the cure) without ever teaching about WHY one would need the cure (sin/hell)
thanks for this video, as an evangelical i’ve found myself believing a lot of dumb things, starting to break from that partly thanks to your channel
Part of the glory of god is to see how truly vast and weird creation is in time and space
I will say, i trust the scientific method. But I absolutely do not trust the scientific community after going through college.
You’ve summed up my thoughts so well and I never knew how to explain it. I believe the scientific method is so important when it comes to making decisions and bettering humanity but that doesn’t absolve the scientific community or all scientists or the powers at be, there are many examples of this being abused but we are all forced to believe that the scientific method is being properly used when it’s not
"You shall know them by their fruits"
The protestant reformation created the 'churches' that don't even believe in the resurrection, as well as all sorts of other lunacy that seems to constantly spring forth from them.
That's why I'm comfortable being catholic, even if the current pope says some things that sound dangerously close to heresy. The trad-catholics and the more liberally minded catholics still agree on what matters most. My priest has given a lot of sermons recently on "leaving your flags at the door", warning against choosing to attend a church that just aligns with your political values. I'm pretty traditionalist myself, but I'm proud that my church won't let that tear us apart. We are the one Catholic and Apostolic church, and that becomes more and more clear to me the more I study it. Jesus gave a special responsibility to Peter, and the Papacy is the continuation of that responsibility.
Roman Catholicism is a lie. You yourself acknowledge the liberal nutter who is your current pope. Papal infallibility is demonstrably untrue.
I was raised as a fundamental Baptist.
I’m now an Eastern Orthodox Christian.
Repent and believe the gospel
That's what he did though @@franciscooliveira8585
@@franciscooliveira8585bro, orthodoxy does teach the gospel. In fact them and Catholics are the closest to the original church, don’t not try to compete with that. You will not win
I find that before a certain decade, what we now think of as "Evangelical" (or neo-evangelical) had constituency within the Mainline bodies: charismatic Episcopalians, Billy Graham telling people to find established churches post conversion etc etc
This is in distinction to the later neofundamentalism which overtook large swaths of the Evangelical tradition in the coalition of the Christian Right. After that point, the lines were more rigidly drawn between conservative Evangelicals (politically and theologically) and progressive Mainliners (politically and theologically).
i grew up in one of the few evangelical churches in europe and i cant stop watching this video since it perfectly sums up everything i didn't like about my church. i am protestant now
Evangelicals are a Protestant movement. lol
@@redlethe8679 they are not really considered protestant where i live and they have a completely different theology and structure.
The conservative evangelicals did run away, but they didn't hide, they separated themselves from the mainline. I live in a rather large city and even when traveling across the nation can find at least one fundamentalist (conservative evangelical) church where ever I go, and the places I go are not rural. That isn't to say that there is _only_ one per state (because I live in the U.S.), the place I live has around 10 big fundamentalist churches (btw, this is not in the bible belt).
Fundamentalists churches are heretical more times than not
There’s one thing I would argue, but first. This is all really informative and helpful, I’m chocked at how much you know considering that you’re probably close to my age.
But again, there’s one point that I would argue against and it’s that we oppose science, evolution primarily. Evolution is entirely opposite to the doctrine of the Bible and is poison to the gospel.
Believing that man evolved from the ape which (eventually) evolved from single called organisms goes against Genesis where God made *Humans* male and female.
Also believing that God could use evolution for creation would put millions of years of death and disease before the fall of man.
This would mean that death doesn’t come as payment for sin, but rather predates it and therefore would make the death of Jesus meaningless because he our sin doesn’t give us the death sentence.
Huge difference believing that nature was designed to die and evolve vs humanity being a special case that was designed to be different, but experienced death due to the fall. The Bible does not really stand for the no death pre fall position except to people. Indeed, there is countless processes ingeniously designed by God to recycle dead material and perpetuate creation, like fungi. Whole species are entirely designed to clean up or kill populations to keep them under control. I don't see any issue giving God credit for creating such an interconnected and self perpetuating system. And, with everything else in a cycle of death, it makes God's special creation falling from immortality so much worse
i’m coming out of Evangelicalism myself for many reasons, and seeking to understand & discern truth.
now folks might call me a woke leftist, but i am glad to step out of my ‘bubble’ and hear a diagnostic perspective of Evangelicalism (and Fundamentalism) that centers its underlying ideas (i.e. mass-marketed revivalism & cultural isolationism) and not so much the political issues.
Mr. Redeemer we really need you at the Presbyterian Church of India, the largest Reformed denomination in India. My church is not liberal but it has deviated so much from reformed theology and is so much influenced by the evangelical movement that it has practically become an infant baptizing Baptist church at this point. No tradition, low church, no reverence of sacraments. I think there is a tendency among Presbyterians in general to become more Baptist everywhere around the world.
That's not really how all evangelicals behave but broadly I see your point.
as an evangelical i can say that a majority of them do behave that way, but yeah not all
Totally agree
@@masbucket3083another thing to realize with evangelicalism is that because of the lack of a well-established historical church tradition, the belief system depends heavily on the pastors of the church. I have had both very good and very bad pastors, and the church thrived and suffered accordingly.
@@jacksonhall2334that’s just not true, unless the pastor is completely heretical, they just teach what the bible says.
bruh ur framerate is heretical
I know, I fixed it in my newer videos. It was a setting in my video editing software that make it like that
@@redeemedzoomer6053 yea no probs i just wanted to put the joke in
@@acethemain7776 he should have responded "no, it's heterodox"
This made me laugh so hard, you wouldn't believe it.
@@SolidestAutumn 😂
The thing about public schools is they vastly differ in quality depending on where you live, where I live they have none of the problems you mentioned, growth in education, and a conservative majority. I think public schools are a big mixed bag and they are not all bad it just depends on where you live and your district. My sister went to a fancy private school and I went to the local public school and I ended up getting better teachers and basically the same coursework.
The thing about conspiracies is that it's really a case by case issue. Some conspiracies do turn out to be true. Some don't.
Scary how many I’ve seen in my life turn out true well after the fact.
I saw the viet nam wall in person.
A couple years ago msm even broke that the CIA faked radar to say we were attacked when we were not.
Causing all that war did.
And no one rioted.
No one cared. And thousands died for our govts lies.
When the truth eventually comes out about Covid and the 2020 election, woooo boy but I’m sure that won’t be for 50 years or so.
That way anyone responsible is well out of the reach of any justice, the population cooming and consuming none the wiser.
I think their eschatology could've influenced their decision to leave the mainline churches 🤔
Also I don't think being against (theistic) evolution equates to being against science. I'm not convinced of the YEC position anymore, but you can think evolution is wrong without being against science.
It goes far beyond evolution though. Flat earthers, political conspiracy theories, etc etc
@@ebercondrell6603 perhaps I guess
One analogy I personally find helpful is to draw from another (frankly more developed) area of science to understand how models can be fundamentally wrong but useful. So let’s talk some physics.
If you know anything about Newton’s laws, you’ve probably heard of the second, usually summarized as F=MA. It’s a fundamental law of nature, and forms the basis for describing all of how we understand mechanics. Except it’s wrong. It’s fundamentally incorrect. Einstein’s theories of relativity show that F=MA is a very very good approximation, but it is, technically speaking, wrong.
Evolutionary theory is as much a pillar of modern biology as Newton is/was of physics. It’s not hard to imagine in 100 years a shift in theory that explains how it is a useful model yet not entirely accurate. Herein lies the soul of true science: continual discovery and questioning, not a dogmatic sticking to one theory to explain everything.
Sorry you cannot.
Evolution happened and is happening and that’s an objective and obvious fact.
You still have some YEC poison clouding your vision I think.
@@timothysullivan1669well I think you fail to see the difference in the two theories.
In 100 years evolution will still look like the same model.
Genetics isn’t going anywhere and natural selection is logically true as well as observed.
It’s worked this way since life began and there isn’t any data that could change that past.
Just in 2 years after posting this video, RZ admitted on Twitter that Evangelicals have Chick-Fil-A. We won!
Do a vid on the ACNA! Sounds right up your alley (unless you’ve already done a vid on them)
Yeah, a lot of this stuff we probably do need to work on.
I grew up in the 1990s. My parents were not church goers, but not atheists either.
My main contact with evangelicalism was with the Christian kids in my school and the Christian teachers. I live in a very small town and the 2 churches in it wielded a big influence. The main thing that put me off from them was their anti intellectual stance on everything and complete unwillingness to have any discussion on their faith. Add in the super fake and ghey 1990s evangelical culture like the promise keeper movement and i was thoroughly repulsed by evangelicalism until my mid 20s.
The worst part about it is that I equated Christianity with evangelicalism. I imagine many Americans do the same thing. In rural areas especially, evangelicalism is the only Christianity many people know.
@@moisheplatinumberg6016Not in the Midwest and Northeast! I remember growing up in Iowa, even most of the super religiously conservative people were Lutheran, Methodist or Reformed. People associated Evangelicals not with theological conservatism but rather new age worship styles with electric guitars and drums on stage, people dressed like it’s a kids soccer tournament, the pastor in a suit rather than a robe and generally more of a “fringe” attitude.
I think it's fair to say you are overly broad in criticism of evangelical churches. Stereotyping at some points I'd go as far as to say.
The idea that evangelical churches have a "spirit of isolation" is incorrect as a broad statement. Perhaps certain churches are that way, but definitely not all. The majority of churches I've attended that would you would describe as evangelical are involved in community outreach and missionary work like no other.
I don't think the description of mainline Protestantism is fair either. But I see why you would have a low opinion of them because you did help start/join a movement against the mainline Protestant churches. (Which I'm all for correcting more liberal churches with heretical or unscriptural views.)
All that aside I love the content man. Bless you brother for being so involved in the faith and concerned with the churches wellbeing. I know you're coming from a place of love. Go in peace!
While I do disagree with a lot of what you said, I will stay 😊
You also made some very good points like fighting for the culture, instead of retrieving, that does seem to makes sense 👍
It's worth noting here that there is no requirement that believers believe every doctrine in their church's Confessions of Faith, Statements of Belief, or whatever comparable term they call them. In fact, I imagine most lay people don't even know all their denomination's official beliefs.
There are plenty of theological conservatives in "mainline" churches, and there are plenty of theological liberals in "evangelical" churches. Indeed, many people have liberal positions on some theological issues, and conservative positions on others. It's just like politics, in that sense.
This is true. In college I went to a SBC church even though i grew up Pentacostal. I went there because they were theologically sound, even if i disagreed with some of their beliefs. And they knew I was Pentecostal too. They simply asked that I am willing to learn under their beliefs, but that I dont have to change mine
The worst thing about evangelicals that you forgot to mention is the prosperity gospel.
To christians, it doesn't take being the next Thomas Aquinas to know it's not what the Bible says.
To secular audiences, it's just a scam disguised as christianity.
I agree. I dont know how widespread this is, but in my church an media i consume, there is always warning to stay away from prosperity gospel.😊
Calvin, Luther all the Reformers called themselves “Evangelical” to separate themselves from the Papists.
I agree with much of your perspective on this issue. However, I disagree with your premise of why the cities are liberal. I believe that all of the social systems and public conveniences of city life are directly opposed to the principle of self-reliance and self reliance is inseparable from conservative values. Living in a heavily populated city involves trading freedoms for convenience. In other words, I would argue that every subtlety of big city living psychology grooms the inhabitants toward liberalism, and the contrary being equally true about rural living. Rural living is the ultimate gauntlet of meritocracy, with the extreme example being off-grid living in which if you suck you die. Not saying this is the only factor at play in this phenomena, but I do believe it is the most prominent.
well put
I disagree with the view that cities are not self-reliant. On the contrary, when I came of age I left my small town and moved to the city because I couldn’t stand the mindset of dependence and fatalism that existed in a rural town in the Rust Belt. Except for essential services, there was only one employer (a local factory) so the idea was that you would work for this factory for basically your entire working career. You would join the local union, the local “old boys club” institutions. And if you got fired from the factory or the union didn’t like you, or if the local evangelical church rejected you, well… let’s just say your options for employment or a social life elsewhere are limited.
Contrast that with the city. You’ll be surrounded 24/7 by people who are smarter than you, who will work harder than you, and who will throw you under the bus at the earliest opportunity and not lose a wink of sleep over it. But on the plus side, if your employer mistreats you, you can walk out the door and across the street and probably have another job within the hour. Heck, I have recruiters reaching out to *me* encouraging me to apply because they need people. Not to mention that there is every demographic and every social outlet for every sort of person you could ever need here. I have never felt more self-reliant and in control of my own life and career since moving to the city.
Granted, my city is not a place where everyone knows everyone. This is not a place where you see your daddy’s buddy’s sister’s girlfriend’s former roommate on a leisurely stroll down the street and stop to have a conversation for 3 hours, because what else do we have to do on a Sunday, amirite? This is a place where thousands of people traverse every single day, working 70 hours a week to pay the high rent, walking past the homeless on every corner to remind us what could happen if we fail. But we also pass by skyscrapers and limousines to remind of of what’s possible if we succeed. It’s capitalism and self-reliance at its most pure.
Look up the rat utopia experiment
Power point minecraft.
I generally love your stuff, but the point about all evangelicals being anti-science is a huge straw man. Some certainly are, but (like you said about the PCUSA) there is huge variety from congregation to congregation and it’s not fair to generalize the way you spent half this video doing. At my church for example one of our pastors has a degree in chemistry and another in computer science that they earned before going to seminary. Our church has several medical doctors and many engineers. The oil industry is big in our city and there is a group of Dad’s that all have degrees in chemical engineering, geology, and geophysics. Another guy at our church runs an IT company. We have several PhD’s in various fields both scientific and non-scientific. I have never though of my church as being anti-science and many of the smartest professionals I know I’ve met at church. If it’s not fair to say that all Presbyterians are SJW liberals then it’s also not fair to say that all evangelicals are anti science. It comes down to individuals and local congregations. Your generally pretty good at being charitable to other denominations, but you’re really dropping the ball here. Try going to some evangelical churches and actually talking to the people there: you might be surprised!
Yes, the mission is to attempt to "take back" the mainline churches
Part of me feels this is his youthful naïveté. Seems the keys to power were firmly held which prompted the leave in the first place.
"Public school standards have gone down, but that's a separate issue"
Is it? The "education ~= salvation" Judeo-Christian tradition is a big part of why uncorrupted, high-quality education has been prized, in the successful cultures building on those religious foundations.
No such thing as "Judeo-Christian", just Christian
@@e11-f2l I'm not sure how you can argue that effectively. "Not one iota of the law is to be changed" after all.
Covid was pretty wacky tho. It was extremely overblown. Shutting down the entire country and wearing masks religiously was dumb.
Virgin Pastor Jethro's Soul-Saving Gun Club vs Chad Arlen First Methodist
"Im going to explain, why they are not good" LOL
That said I love your take not to split away!
I want your thoughts on progressive education, Christian education, and classical Christian education. That's if you know or have studied what I am talking about. Great videos. I'm a former Catholic who became a non-denominational evangelical. Miss the traditional Catholic church--may need to check out a conservative Presbyterian church.
I respect Evangelicals … I do NOT respect fanatics within their ranks who gatekeep “real Christians” while THEY are the new ones. Laugh at the Mainline all you want (they drive me crazy, too), but they’re 100% correct that some of these Evangelical groups ARE “separated from the Vine.” They’re new age.
What is meant here by evangelicalism? In the rest of the world, evangelicals are usually identified by their actions meeting their names - yes, they are staunchly conservative Protestants, but their uniting feature is evangelism...the evangelism from which their name comes from. Sure, it may be unpopular in many cultures - evangelicals are all but illegal in most socialist nations because of this, most notably China, who allow "quieter" and conformist versions of Christianity, and certainly contemporary western culture detests the evangelical message of repentance - but being unpopular doesn't equate with being isolationist. Again, I'm not sure if the term is being applied differently here, but the whole conversation seems completely off key with the nature of the term as used around the world (Asia, Africa, Oceania, Europe).
To start, I may be biased as a non denominational evangelical. When I’m out in the community, it’s always evangelicals that have a high presence. They are the ones trying to reach the community. Why does it seem that mainline denominations do not have the same presence? Genuinely curious
If you want to be technical about it, upper case E "Evangelical" originally referred to the movement started by Martin Luther, with Lutheran being an exonym. To this day, in Germany, the Evangelische Kirche is the standard Protestant church, with little if any distinction being made between Lutherans and Calvinists. It's also why the mainline American Lutheran Church, the ELCA, has Evangelical in its name despite having nothing to do with modern Evangelicalism.
I grew up in a traditional Methodist church, so I know the Gloria Patri.
So we did all the traditions, all the things you’re “supposed” to do. And they never explained WHY or what it had to do with me. It was just what good church-goers are to do. It was just routine and ritual, with no true gospel message. Not to mention being ok with lesbian pastors and all kinds of nonsense. That is why people are leaving traditional churches. So many are dead.
The FPS was sent by the Evangelicals
Sounds like the reformation 2.0
Who's more likely to go into debt for organs, lights, and carpet, a mainline, or an evangelical chirch?
Oh definitely an evangelical. They are independent and thus they do not have the financial resources to fix or buy those things
I go to an evangelical church and I couldn't agree more about the science denial and conspiracy theories, I am embarrassed for my fellow believers.
You kind of make it sound like the schism in the western protestant churches makes you chose between churches better theology or better tradition. Maybe this makes me an evangelical, but I personally lean towards picking theology first, and then find (or help to create) the most traditionally rich place I can from there.
And I know you agree somewhat with that, or you’d be catholic/eastern orthodox, because they certainly have the most/richest/oldest traditions. However your theology compels you to remain protestant.
The reformation was what I might call a “necessary tragedy”. Once you split, there is no going back to a place where splitting isn’t an option. But I think the true protestant spirit is not to split but to try to reform the church-and to be kicked out for it.
Is there a word for people who don’t desire to split, but are forced out because they speak against the church violating its own theology? What are those people to do besides form their own assembly and begin to build or try to recover their own traditions?
I'm curious if you've had a conversation with an evangelical about your thoughts. You're making a lot of broad statements that I'm sure don't encapsulate the whole.
Please we need more Evangelical Protestants in Minnesota and the Dakotas.! ✝️
Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way. We deserve Hell because we've sinned. Lied, lusted stolen, etc. But God sent his son to die on the cross and rise out of the grave. We can receive forgiveness from Jesus. Repent and put your trust in him.
John 3:16
Romans 3:23❤😊❤❤
Vale lembrar que há diferença entre o evangélico proveniente do "evangelicalismo" e do termo "evangélico" esse já antigo, o próprio Melâncton sucessor de Lutero usou o termo "Igreja Evangélica Alemã" para denominar aquele grupo, esse sendo mais antigo do que o próprio termo "luteranismo" não sei como essa relação se dá em outros países mas aqui no Brasil temos denominações tradicionais com o nome evangelical por exemplo:
Igreja Evangélica Luterana do Brasil
Eu sou presbiteriano porém todos nós adotamos esse termo, apesar de que outros grupos não tradicionais também o aderem, acredito que ao invés de simplesmente aderir a novilíngua devemos lutar pelos nomes que representam a nossa fé.
Saudações do Brasil 🇧🇷
If you are reading this, I just wanted to let you know you are amazing! ✝️❤️🔥
Philippians 3:8-9 - *“All I want now is Christ. I want to belong to him. In Christ I am right with God, but my being right does not come from following the law. It comes from God through faith. God uses my faith in Christ to make me right with him.”*
Through Christ we may be saved and made right with God. I hope you have a good day :) ☺️
In germany evangelical is like kind of the only protestant. Me growing up we just had evangelical and catholic and very small other churches.
The Evangelical mentality seems to me eerily similar to the Traditionalist Catholic mentality. When you say "Evangelicals" in this video, you could change it to "Trad Catholics", and it would be just as valid.
So can I be pentecostal (Assemblies of God), be in a traditional church, serious in their knowledge, out of the evangelical craziness, personally side with double predestination and still make sense?
I mean, the spiritual gifts stuff, man. It gets me.
Hey dude we are making a cultural impact.....in the third world.
2:55 "as of right now, I'm part of the PCUSA, but this might change if I have to move somewhere else". Imagine choosing your basic theological stances based on the city you're living in at the moment. Also, it's such a joke to hear a protestant advocating for tradition, when it was the protestant founders the ones who started their own religion to break away from real tradition.
I don't have any real issue with your video, except with the term "conspiracy", simply because it's a way to silence any form of believe without having to suffer the weight of the proof, and therfore having to give an explaination of why you belive that said view is false. This is not unique to anybody, but is a good idea to get rid off that word use to have a wider view of reality.
man thats a really glitchy game
hope you got a better computer
Would you consider fundamentalist to be evangelical or their own movement
I proudly call myself a Mainline, liberal, non-evangelical Episcopalian. Your video was rather refreshing. That might sound weird coming from someone like me, but I do appreciate two of the points that you made:
1. Secession. You are spot-on that evangelicals have a well-documented history of seceding at the first sign of theological disagreement if it is clear that their position is going to turn out to be in the minority. Even when modernist Christians have been in the minority, as we very often have been on social issues in the last century, we tend to be more willing to play the long game until minds start to change in our existing churches.
I am LGBT so this is directly relevant to my experience. It was abundantly clear to me growing up that my Methodist church held a very literal view of the Bible and wasn’t ready to accept my real self. But I figured the best way to change that would be to change the culture of the church using whatever tools I had available, however limited those were at the time. Not once did it occur to me to secede with all the other gays and move out off the grid to form our own church. That isn’t really keeping with the idea of the common cup.
2. Science denial is a very serious issue that the Evangelical movement is going to have to address at some point. I don’t care what one believes about theological issues like transubstantiation or what your eschatology is. You do you. What I have a huge problem with is the practice of using personal salvation or individual religious experience to deny the validity of modern medicine. Case in point: vaccines. We could have limited the spread of disease so much more effectively if our court system wasn’t terrified of offending “religious liberty” at the expense of lives.
Thank you for your comment, but you should know that despite not being evangelical, I am profoundly conservative. I hold the same views Evangelicals and Catholics generally do about LGBT, only unlike Evangelicals, I stay in the mainline to try and make it more conservative.
I do agree with you completely about science, vaccines, and medicine and such.
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My problem with your “Evangelicals don’t believe in science” spiel is that you assume Darwinian evolution is science, which is utterly false. It’s a theory which has largely been discredited over the last 50 or so years.
Even Darwin himself said it was wrong!
In what sense has it been discredited? Is there any scientific source you can cite to for that other than answers in genesis?
@@jonathanw1106 Yes indeed. The 1953 Stanley Miller Experiment proved that even in a lab with all the perfect ratios of chemicals and raw materials present at The Big Bang you can not even create amino acids, much less living cells with all their vast complexity. The conclusion of that experiment is that science (or rather scientists) don’t have the slightest clue how life began, and therefore necessitates a Creator. Secondly, the fossil record of the Cambrian Explosion does not support an evolution of differing species over millions or years. Rather, you see common ancestry at the specie level, but the evidence does not support common ancestry at the higher levels. In other words, Darwin’s tree of life is nothing more than a pretty picture. It is not grounded in reality. Third, the pictures of Haekel’s embryos have been proven to be faked, fudged, and misleading. Fourth, the idea that since humans and apes share 98% of the same genes means we share a common ancestor is flawed because it actually supports the Creationist case. In much the same way that Microsoft uses a lot of the same code in all their various applications, so too did God use much the same DNA in the creation of the various species. Fifth, the Archaeopteryx (the supposed missing link between bird and reptiles) has been shown to be fraudulent. So too the Java Man (the supposed missing link between between apes and humans) was a fraudulent fossil where they combined human remains with ape fossils and called it science. You must understand that Darwinism is a philosophy still in search of convincing empirical data. It is masquerading itself as science.
“It’s not science it’s a theory.” Bro what? Theories are part of science. A scientific “theory” isn’t a “guess,” it’s an explanation that unifies a broad range of facts and hypotheses (testable claims) and can be used to make predictions.
@@BwooodNo he didn’t. And also, the science of evolution has moved on from simple Darwinism. There are other theories of evolution that improve upon Darwinism.
I go to an evangelical church and I still don’t understand how the people remain so Conservative whilst being so liberal. They literally worship with a whole rock band and a light show and retain their traditional values. It genuinely bewilders me because the church and its occupants feel so liberal but then the Pastor holds together Conservative values.
Also I feel as though the great emphasis on the gospels enables the people in the church to refute other biblical teachings (my own mother literally said that Leviticus is pointless because ‘sabbath was made for man not man made for sabbath’ and that 1 Corinthians 6:9 is ‘taken out of historical context’)
They’re like a liberal conservative church and it is painful to go to one.
"The medieval Catholic Church really did transform Europe by inventing universities and hospitals, and all that"
Hm. What could we invent today?
Interesting
how does a prettier church help you get closer to christ. can someone refer a verse in the gospels cause I haven't found it yet. what's beautiful about christianity is it is the faith maintain a relationship with God. everywhere else people follow a religion but don't have a relationship with God. Jesus came down to live among the common man, he didn't come down in great robes and kingly attire. you can do all the customs but if you have a hardened heart you are not close to God as Jesus said regarding divorce in mark 10: verse 5-9 "Moses created that law cause you have a hardened heart"
I went from baptist to lcms so i don't call myself evangelical even though lutherans are evangelical catholics. I prefer confessional Christian because the implementation of history and rigor
Whats wrong with hillsongs?
Give it 30 years. Have some kids. Spend a few years out in hillbilly land.
Have as many children as God blesses you with.
Are penticostals the same thing as evangelicals?
How much FPS do you run this game??? 5 FPS???
I can see how you would get these ideas as a young man with no children to think about. You know what you believe and don’t really I have to worry about someone brainwashing you. But is someone with children supposed to stay in the church where the Sunday school is teaching them unbiblical things, liberal theology? Children aren’t so set in their beliefs and they’re much more easily confused. Do you expect me to continue to bring my children to a church where they invite homosexuals to speak tell us all about the joys of being homosexual and how it’s not really as sinful as we think? The Bible says bring up your children in the way they should go not let the enemy bring up your children in the way they should go.
Something you're saying is a bit odd, You've stated multiple times academia has been hijacked, I agree we should take it back but if you're aware of the hijacking why do you think distrusting them is such a bad move. I don't see it as a dislike of intellectualism but more as a rejection of the modern establishment. But maybe that plays into your view that we need to take it back.
I think if you actually take science seriously you won't believe evolution. Evolution relies on a lot more miracles to be true than creationism does.
Yep pagan comes from pagus and in French est la pais si Je n’oubli pas
How much interaction have you had with "evangelicals?" I am hearing a lot of criticism and stereotyping, some of which is fair. However, I think you are a bit over critical of the group as a whole. You say that this group is running away and going rural or whatever. However, the churches I seen are very active both locally and globally. Perhaps moreso than a lot of traditional churches... maybe. In fact, a lot of these orgs pride themselves on evangelism, as well as involvement in the public sphere (love it or hate it). I am not big into the christian music scene, but so what if there are bigger name worship groups with loud, modern sounding music? If it is an instrument for worshipping God, and it has a sound that is relevant, then why not fill the airwaves with it? It's better than Cardi B! I think it is totally cool that you are so knowledgable and so devoted to your denominational tradition. However, no need to poo-poo on other folks' traditions that you feel are lesser or don't have the history that yours does. Truth be told, if we really want to get historical we would all subscribe to a sect of first century Judaism... Anyhow, I have seen some whacky charismatic/evangelical churches, but i have seen more that are represented by people who have a genuine excitement for Jesus and are making huge differences in their communities.
Completely agree. I’ve noticed this in a lot of his critique of other subjects in other videos too. Love the content overall but this is not what I have experienced with evangelicals either.
26:40 way too harsh on catholics?? you just had the pope say he will provide a individual blessing for those who are gay and called conservatives "clinging" when they oppose his progressive stance. are sure we are not harsh enough?
I'm an Evangelical Roman Catholic.