Irving Kaufman: Masculine Women... Feminine Men.... (1926)
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- Irving Kaufman (1890-1976) as "Frank Harris" / Masculine Women! Feminine Men! (words by Edgar Leslie, music by James V. Monaco) / Recorded: January 29, 1926 --
Hey, Hey women are going mad, today
Hey, Hey fellers are just as bad, I'll say
Go anywhere, just stand and stare
You'll say they're bugs when you
Look at the clothes they wear
Masculine Women, Feminine Men
Which is the rooster? Which is the hen?
It's hard to tell 'em apart today
And say...
Sister is busy learning to shave
Brother just loves his permanent wave
It's hard to tell 'em apart today
Hey, Hey!
Girls were girls and boys were boys
when I was a tot,
Now we don't know who is who or
Even what's what
Knickers and trousers baggy and wide,
Nobody knows who's walking inside
Those Masculine Women and Feminine Men
Masculine Women, Feminine Men
Which is the rooster? which is the hen?
It's hard to tell 'em apart today
And say...
Auntie is smoking, rolling her own,
Uncle is always buying cologne
It's hard to tell 'em apart today
Hey, Hey!
You go and give your girl a kiss in the hall
But instead you find you're kissing
Her brother Paul
Mama's got a sweater up to her chin,
Papa's got a girtle holding him in
Those Masculine Women, Feminine Men
Stop, Look, Listen and you'll agree... with me
Things are not what they used to be... you'll see
You say hello to Uncle Joe,
Then look again and you find it's your Auntie Flo
Masculine Women, Feminine Men
Which is the rooster? Which is the hen?
It's hard to tell 'em apart today
And say...
Wifey is playing billiards and pool,
Hubby is dressing kiddies for school
It's hard to tell 'em apart today
Hey, hey!
Ever since the Prince of Wales in
Dresses was seen,
What does he intend to be the King or the Queen
Grandmother buys those tailor-made clothes
Grandfather tries to smell like a rose
Those Masculine Women, Feminine Men
The song is referenced in the following wikipedia article on the "Roaring Twenties"
en.wikipedia.o...
Homosexuality became much more visible and somewhat more acceptable. London, New York, Paris, Rome and Berlin were important centers of the new ethic. Crouthamel argues that in Germany the First World War promoted homosexual emancipation because it provided an ideal of comradeship which redefined homosexuality and masculinity. The many gay rights groups in Weimar Germany favored a militarised rhetoric with a vision of a spiritually and politically emancipated hypermasculine gay man who fought to legitimize "friendship" and secure civil rights. Ramsey explores several variations. On the left the Wissenschaftlich-humanitäres Komitee (Scientific-Humanitarian Committee; WhK) reasserted the traditional view that that homosexuals were an effeminate "third sex" whose sexual ambiguity and nonconformity was biologically determined. The radical nationalist Gemeinschaft der Eigenen (Community of the Self-Owned; GdE) proudly proclaimed homosexuality as heir to the manly German and classical Greek traditions of homoerotic male bonding, which enhanced the arts and glorified relationships with young men. The politically centrist Bund für Menschenrecht (League for Human Rights; BfM) engaged in a struggle for human rights, advising gays to live in accordance with the mores of middle-class German respectability. Humor was used to assist in acceptability. One popular American song was "Masculine Women, Feminine Men." It was released in 1926 and recorded by numerous artists of the day. The relative liberalism of the decade is demonstrated by the fact that the actor William Haines, regularly named in newspapers and magazines as the #1 male box-office draw, openly lived in a gay relationship with his partner, Jimmie Shields. Other popular gay actors/actresses of the decade included Alla Nazimova and Ramón Novarro. In 1927, Mae West wrote a play about homosexuality called, "The Drag", and alluded to the work of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs. It was a box-office success. West regarded talking about sex as a basic human rights issue, and was also an early advocate of gay rights. Profound hostility did not abate in more remote areas such as western Canada. With the return of a conservative mood in the 1930s, the public grew intolerant of homosexuality, and gay actors were forced to choose between retiring or agreeing to hide their sexuality even in Hollywood. (wikipedia)
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Man kissed his girlfriend’s brother and wrote a whole song about it
XD that actually made me laugh.
LOL
No but this comment ahahhahahaag
And he likes it!
I like to think, he did it, and secretly loved it, which pissed him off so he wrote this song 😂
Imagine a drag queen/king doing a performance of this song. That would be the most kickass concept, I would go see that. Maybe the performers are dressed up in 1920’s outfits? Whatever the case, it would be amazing.
I know what I have to do
I looked up this song because I just saw a Short sort of along those lines by _honest2betsy_
Came here because I saw tha
that would be so cool
@@prageruwu69 TF is going on with your username? o.0🤮
A woman playing pool?? Western civilization is crumbling in real time 😱
Oh dear god not men wearing cologne! The west has fallen.
@@ScyllasSimpI thought it was normal for men to wear cologne back then. Man, society back in the day was strange
You’re being sarcastic, but many people at the time noted the decay of the west, most notably Oswald Spengler, who wrote a book about it that was released 1922.
@@extraaccount2552 I don’t doubt it
Reactionaries always existed and bemoaned the changing of the times. When literacy soared and books became far more common, folks at the time thought the books would rot people's brains.
Every time someone tells me no one was queer until 5 years ago I'm gonna pull up this song and say "that's what he said too."
time truly is a flat circle
The OG femboy anthem
As a gay and trans person, this song brings me an unbelievable amount of joy and affirmation ❤ the arguments never change
this song is making fun of such stuff
@@Quapple855That's their point...
Bi and trans woman here!!!
@@Quapple855 man that one flew over your head, we know, the point it people have been biching about us for 98 fucking years and saying the exact same shit about it while simultaneously denying and disputing our existence before the 21st fucking century
@@Quapple855 we're reclaiming it and having fun!
This song shuts down the arguement, "well THAT didnt happen when I was young." Something about the crackling vinyl, the antiquated lyrics makes seem truly authentic to the time period. It shows that historical queerness did exist in a way and can't just be handwaved away
Hate to be that guy... but this is definitely NOT vinyl. Its shellac which has a very different crackle and surface noise than vinyl.
It certainly wasn’t widespread queerness… more like risqué-ness.
@@AustinCasey You're right and there's nothing wrong to be that type of person.
It’s about siiiiignificantly different percentages in society
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, as they say.
As others have noted there is nothing new under the sun. Thanks, Jeffrey!
People have been complaining about masculine women and feminine men for close to a century!
@@bernardbrenner9240 at least 137 years now, lol. Probably even longer but it's difficult to find older documents
This song describes the elites, politicians and stars! It's an own species!
This is so damn catchy - and Irving has an amazing voice! I can't get it out of my head.
Feminine and masculine are social constructs. Do whatever you want.
Science says otherwise
@@amateurwave3593 not really
@@amateurwave3593 science agrees there is biological gender but the concept of things being feminine or masculine are social constructs.
@@amateurwave3593 Surely so! Science invented the women's skirt and the boy's action figures! How could we have been so foolish to believe that any other but life itself manned the creation of these deeply biological items? Don't be daft. Wearing a frilly little dress does not automatically make you a transsexual. Being a transsexual makes you a transsexual
absolute horseshit
What an entertaining little ditty. Regardless of its original intent, it certainly makes cross-dressing sound like a lot of fun!
I agree with you on both points.
Just the density of lyrical cleverness is impressive, regardless of how you feel about the subject matter.
Yeah … let’s just appreciate the humor 😂
WHICH IS THE ROOSTER 🗣️🗣️
WHICH IS THE HEN ⁉️🗣️🔊🔊
Another relevant question would be: "which is the chicken hawk and which is the chicken."
there is truly no such thing as an original thought
I did the Charleston to this and it was great :)
Anyone notice how the phobes in this comment section are more offended than the actual gays?
Most of the gays seem to adore this (including myself.) We’re fine with lighthearted jabs, especially if the music is good! We corner the market on theatre nerds.
No i havent any Phoebes in this comment section
As someone who’s genderfluid, this is the vibe I want to give off.
Oh neat, may I ask? How viscous is your gender fluid?
Just got suggested this on my discover weekly and as someone who's nonbinary immediately came here to say the same thing lololol
@@TF2SlyGuySaysHi it's probably mental
Time is a flat fucking circle.
Regardless of whether or not this is a lighthearted inside joke or a genuine show of disgust, it goes to show that we've always existed
It's nice to hear that something you think is brand new was happening 100 years ago
"Aunty rollin' and smokin' her own..." I'd like to meet Aunty 😉❤
I love the orchestra and the arrangement. There's something very special about the early Westinghouse electric sound. Bass ! Bass ! More bass ! Hooray !
This song effectively being a long complaint brings to mind a phrase of todays youths: “skill issue”
HEARD THIS SONG MANY YEARS AGO WHILE WATCHING A BRITISH TELEVISION SHOW CALLED ARE YOU BEING SERVED
Masculine, feminine... old, new.... who can tell the difference? Cheers!
Hits exactly the same today.
Bravo! Great song. I guess things just don't ever change! Nothing new under the sun!
9 years ago haha
When people ask me what my gender is I’m going to tell them to listen to this song
Well said! Just imagine; poking fun at the folks who get obsessed with the changing fashions and hairstyles and get whipped into a hysteria because " "x" is different from what it was when I was a kid!"
This song just makes me chuckle 😂
History really is just going in circles isnt it?
Nothing new under the sun
man, really shows you how long people have been feeding the same line abt gender roles being 'all mixed up now'. crazy!
I love how the trans community has been reclaiming this song. Even transphobia is trans coded now. Get over it 😎/lh
Transgenders are masculine women and feminine men.
I think the lyrics are ironic rather than transphobic.
Emotionally disturbed people
@@TheNecessaryEvil what??
This song was made as a joke
This song is just as relevant today as it was 100 years ago! 😂
OMG ... This is the best song! Tell Ron DeSantis that THIS was a thing 100 years ago and folks were 'woke' well before any of us were born! Love this!
This song is much better than any mainstream song in this century. The lyrics and rhymes are well-written, the singing is enjoyable (and has no auto-tune, which did not exist back then), the song is written in the "intro-verse-verse-chorus-verse", and the orchestral music is much better than the today's computer-generated music and its clap-like beats. This song seems to be a combination of ragtime music and early jazz music, which are both great music genres.
oh this goes hard
What a funny song!
As a gay (trans) man, feminine men are amazing
Lol we have changed so little and so much at the same time.
Wait, 1926?
Oh noooo, dad is helping the kids get ready for school, the collapse of western society is upon us 😱
And women… playing… POOL?!?! I think I’m gonna be sick…
This is extremely interesting.
This is really wonderful, Doug. Thanks for uploading.
What a great song!
I suppose back in the early Victorian era we could have said there is nothing nude under the sun:-)
This is not EarlycVictorian.
What a hoot.
So valid in todays society
Thank you, W. C. Humphries for introducing me so long ago…
1:30 He sounds so angry yet condescending!
You do never cease to amaze me with what you post here. Maybe I missed it, but I am curious: Irving Kaufman could smell a new record company (Though his olfactory sense was not nearly as developed as Henry Burr's!) - on what label did this appear? I guess this is just the frustrated discographer in me coming to the surface.
Trans people have been around at least since ancient Greece. The priestesses of Cybele were trans women who performed their own orchiectomies (removal of the testicles) and drank the urine of pregnant mares for the hormones to transition to female. Also, the goddess Hermaphrodite was a trans woman.
hell yeah!!! We love that :>>>
fayanora: Cymbal was a Babylonian Goddess, not a Greek one, I believe. Your main point about the antiquity of such practices still stands, though.
Hermaphroditos was the son of Hermes and Aphrodite, and fused with a nymph who loved him, without his consent. I'd say it's more of an intersex deity.
I want to make a non binary cover out of this
Pardon?
You can try but it seems it would be quite hard to rewrite the lyrics and still sound right. Go for it I guess nothing stopping you
@@CurzonRoad
let's get a few things straight first with this
Gender- a social identity based on the social construct gender which was formed to oppress and has evolved into a form of identity
Sex- biological sex, your genitals and chromosomes along with a bunch of other miscellaneous things determine this, most people are a male or a female, but intersex people also exist
The gender binary- men and women
Non-binary- not apart of the binary, anyone not man or woman
Any work done on this because I'm interested in what that would sound like
What's the big idea, buster?
It sounds great. And I thank you!
I love it!!🤎
I think he is singing about the 2020s and not the 1920s
It's almost like trans people and gender nonconformity has always existed 🤔
Re sound & bass... agree, agree! Thanks, Paul!
Gay people have been around forever
They had femboys 100 years ago? 😮
masculine women are the best. feminine men are cool too.
100 years later: Hold my BEER.
I feel like this is a dis track but like, it belongs to us now. Lgbtq+💪.
They played it at gay clubs during the Pansy Craze of the early 1930s too!
it always "belonged" to you because you're the butt of the joke. Sad you lack the self-awareness to get it.
Amazing ;-D Thanks, Doug!
♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Done in 1926 surprise still new in the year 2024
Where can one getcthexsheet music?
Cheers, Barbara!
As a trans person I vibe with this
Im sure they’d be shocked to see 2021
Foundring sent me here
I want people to think of me like this lol
Hi Barry:
And thank you for the link... very, very nice!
Cheers. Doug --
based
here from Keffals
Are we evolving in circles? 🤔
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
What a nice song!!!
I love this.
aka The San Francisco Anthem....
Ha, ha! Love it! Wonder what he would have thought today:-)
same thing as we've always existed
he would kill himself out of horror
💪
Make it vinyl NOW!!!!!!!!!!
This song is from 1926 and It was released on a record, not vinyl but a shellac 78 rpm disc
Imagine not knowing the diff between 78rpm and vinyl 🫵🤣
I wanna know if this song was made as a joke or if it was serious
It could very much be both. I’ve seen a lot of vintage articles dealing with these sorts of things, and they’re usually surprisingly lighthearted about it. On the one hand, it was taboo, not even legal, but there’s also plenty of evidence that queer people could live relatively unbothered if it was kept private. (Which is still a bit of a reality.)
Casually saving this before it gets banned
It’s been up for 10 years… I don’t think it’s getting banned anytime soon.
@@purplecowsparkles And it was written 98 years ago, so--.
This is more reinvent today than 100 years ago and I love it, we need a drag preformane of this ima modern style
Little did they know XD imagine how shocking today would seem to them back then
As a bi gender person this is what I want people to think about me.
Too bad all they'll think is what a sad weirdo you are
I am non-binary and I agree.
i heart being a boygirl
or just ask
True, true... thank you, Stephen!
Ever since Ancient times, this has been a concerne for some, so, we can totally say it is of no threat. Be gay, if you will, there's plenty of straights.
Columbia 569-D.... thanks!
Man this song predicted modern day society
That's litterally how society always was they always said things like that
So close! This is based around the time it was recorded, because society has always been this way to some degree, hope this helps! Love you 💖
The 1920s predicted modern society.
Exactly!
"Girls were girls and boys were boys when i was a tot. Now we don't know who is who or even what's what."
Just these lyrics explain a lot about what's happening nowadays. This song may have originally mocked the homosexuals, but now it fits the transgender thing and the 100 genders thing.
Its ironic that this song is almost over 100 years old. So when boomers nowadays say "Oh queerness didnt exist when I was a kid" you can point to this song here to show that it did. Alan Hart was a transman author and doctor who was born in the 1800s. Before the word Transgender was even invented, he felt like there was something wrong with his body. He eventually got top surgery, began taking testosterone, dressed in masculine clothing, in and around the 30's. He lived a happy life as a man and died in 1970's.
@@liaberigan1037 Most boomers know that "queerness" existed in the 1950's, but LGBTQ people were expected to stay in the closet.
@@liaberigan1037 did he ever publish any books on his transition? Id love to check them out if so :3 ty!
@@liaberigan1037 As a tail end boomer, I can say any boomer who says "Queerness didn't exist when I was a kid" didn't get around much when they were kids. The 1970s was when the greatness explosion of overt queerness, possibly in human history, happened.
I have read "Gays were having a party in the 1970s, but there were no trans people."
To which I say: BS. There were trans people, literally trans people some of whom used hormones and had gender transition surgery, as far back as the 1920s, which is when this song was written.
I, personaly, saw a group of trans women on a bus at age 12 in 1975 in Honolulu Hawaii.
There are photos of trans people from this era. We've always existed. We're just visible enough now that people like you feel the need to bitch about us
Everything new is old again.
this is so me
0:54 - 1:21
This is billy murray I saw the recording
Yes, really... but as Stephen says, there really is nothing new under the sun!
King Solomon said that
bro predicted the future
No he literally complained about people he saw in his daily life. This is how reactionaries work. Always rolling with the same moral panics that aren't even issues in the first place.
He was complaining? I was getting a celebratory, fun vibe from this song. Did I miss something?
@@Mitsuraga think that it could be read either way. Of course, that was probably intentional. This was not a time when people could come right and say, "Hey, isn't the deconstruction of traditional gender norms cool?"
@@TheVoidIsBees If you think this wasn’t an issue, check out the Weimar Republic. Their way was destroying Germany.
@@extraaccount2552 Okay Extra Account bunch of numbers.
And today? There is nothing rude therein.... (but surely I am showing my age!)