I loved this, thank you. I ordered two of the books you mentioned in the beginning. I visited a psychic (for fun) who said I was an important spartan woman in a previous lifetime. Now, I don't know about all that lol, but it got me interested in the history. And it's funny all the things you mention. I'm of Greek origin, I play the piano, I've raced several half marathons (this gave me motivation to sign up for another), I have a doctorate level degree in nurse anesthesia, and I always joke with my husband that I would like 2 husbands. It's weird! Great documentary, thank you so much. This lifted my spirits. The only thing missing was a martini for myself. Hahahaha.
So this might’ve been something I heard but they say Spartan women carried a switch blade on them in case their husbands got abusive and the cuts and scars they would carry showed disgrace and I thought that was immaculate ✨✨
@@htoodoh5770 its amazing because at the time in 99% of the world, wrestling was a mans sport... Not because women cant wrestle, ive been thrown on my back by women more times than by men...
@Si Guey bold of you to think i was only speaking about sparring... I live in a third world country... Ive been asaulted many times for the last 16 years... First time was at knife point when i was 11, last time was in december, and ive survived this far by beating the shit out of attackers 🤷🏼♀️ just happens that ive fought more skilled women than skilled men...
I just found this video, such a great breakdown of the topic and the speaker did An amazing job. Thank you so much! Awesome find Side note the martini and vibe sis everything. That outfit…on point!!! Love love love
its best to train women in all aspects so they are better mates, mothers, teachers etc overall. i work along side my husband to fix the cars, house, and repairs, chopping wood… and my dad taught us defense when we were little and i can grapple a man like a damn spider monkey. men who fear women are weak, men who work along side them are REAL men. a real man appreciates a real women.
Equal is a strong word XP. They did not have suffrage or many things that males had. However, I would argue that for Ancient Greece they were the most dominant female society.
@Dragon Dimosthenis Aristotle argues "The result proves the faulty nature of their laws respecting property; for the city sank under a single defeat; the want of men was their ruin" (Aristotle, Politics: Book 2)
@Dragon Dimosthenis nop,the reason sparta lost was because by that time Romans got better with strategy roman invented the gladius sword and bigger square shield
@Dragon Dimosthenis yap that include too that was one of the disadvantage too they were mere by that time,but I don't think spartan would it beat the roman if spartan were as much as they were in their prime times,Romans invented the gladius and square bigger shield convince with amazing tragedy sooner or later Spartans would it get destroy by romans,
everything about spartans are amazing including their lack of fear towards homosexuality, gender bending, and general adaptation to help each other for the good of the state
ty very much, I enjoyed writing these pieces and despite the fact my channel has changed to be about the Pacific War, I still have quite a few pieces to do on women's history for Asia.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if women and men were educated together in Sparta if nothing else for the male instructors to use this as an excuse to beat and ridicule their male students if a female student excelled at something over a male student.
haha I will be, simply hard I am a full time grad student and I work full time. I have more content to come, might do a comparisons on Athenian woman vs Spartan.
Do you have any video about women in ancient sumerian societies? For what i have read, it was also not exactly the same in every city... But still pretty interesting how they lived
Notice how we TODAY, are regressing back to Ancient Pagan, Sparta, ( and Ancient Pagan Athens in some ways) , rather than the one and a half thousand years later in the Greek Christian, Roman Empire, led by glittering Constantinople, which had progressed in countless ways in almost every aspect of life. They also created a governing system that helped them rule the longest running empire in world history….. so why are we regressing backwards?
Yeah, very much aware. Even the more recent videos I tried using a new mic and its even worse! I am changing my entire setup and with it I will have a standing mic that can't explode with white noise -.-.
Do you know which famous Athenian said and is recorded saying "Only mothers should be midwives, as they know which infants are to be placed on the hill." Some in Athens thought it would inspire women to have perfect looking infants if they see and hear the infants placed on the hill suffer before they die. I do not know but maybe this is where the sacrifice on a hill came from.
In Athens the father decided if the child would live or not. The "hill" could very well come from Athens. I'd like to add modern scholars believe the numbers were very low for infantcide in Sparta or other greek city states (Athens).
I LOVE STUDYING ABOUT ANCIENT CULTURES!😃 I studied the Spartans thoroughly but was sorely lacking in the lives of Spartan women. Thank you for this! Please give us more!
There is significant evidence that Xenophon's "pro-spartan" writings used factual distortions (which in all honesty is simply Ancient Greek writing, they all did this). While reading his earliest pieces on Sparta towards the last, you notice his opinion changes rather dramatically, many have accused him of becoming disillusioned with Spartan customs. I would point out personally what I notice from his work, his praise or blames for individual traits and or collectivities. While its true Xenophon wrote that Spartan's found pederasty an "abomination" (I think this adds more to your homophobic claim) its widely argued that Sparta was the first to formalize pederasty.... (honestly scholars still bicker over this today and the issues of homosexuality). Simply put Spartan men were unique...they had to be with men in a barracks till they were 30...it goes without saying this increased the homosexual encounter rate significantly compared to other Greek city states. As for the shaving of the head, Plutarch wrote of this and as we know Roman customs crept into his writing. The importance of women hair in Roman rituals (veiling and unveiling rituals for widows) is relevant and makes him a questionable source. Your mention of "evil spirits" refers to the "evil eye". From the scholar Sarah B. Pomeroy "An abduction rather than a joyous spectacular wedding ceremony may serve to ward off the JEALOUS EVIL EYE. The shaving of the head and dressing of the bride as a man (Plutarch. Lyc. 15.8) may have been part of a rite of passage that signaled her entrance into a new life. As a maiden she wore her hair long and uncovered, as a wife wore it short, and covered by a veil. The bride's costume may have also helped to ease the husbands transition to procreative sex from the homosexual intercourse to which he was accustomed"
Widespread homosexuality was simply not a thing especially not in sparta. This is a distortion of history made by people with political bias. Read Platos Symposium Homosexuality was very tabo in Greece and not accepted socially.
@@Thullin00 Homosexuality and homosexual relations are two completely different things in Ancient Greece. One was expected to take a wife and have offspring regardless of what sexual actions they took during their life before marriage. Humorous to state someone with an agenda would distort such a subject, kind of how you did not disassociate homosexuality and homosexual relations in making your point ;). To further point out, Sparta was often mocked for its over tones in homosexuality, this weird idea that its "very much not a thing in Sparta" is absolutely unfounded. Don't worry, the Persians were just as homosexual as the rest.
I meant homosexual relations i missworded it. Ofcourse it has taken place in every society to some extent but it was very very taboo and frowned upon in Sparta and though it was a while ago since i read a lot about Sparta i believe there were even severall Spartan kings that were forced to abdicate the throne because they were caught in homosexual activity.
@@Thullin00 Now you see your not wrong, its just complicated. Sparta like most of Greece underwent changes during the ancient times (most significant is Rome's ascension as the Mediterranean power). Policy changed particularly as a result of overbearing Rome and yes homosexuality norms changed to. Even before then, homosexuality was "taboo", but its often misunderstood. The only way I can think to describe it is, having a actual relationship with between two men and two men had sex. It's almost as if homosexual sex was the same as masturbation honestly, was fine if it occurred, but don't forget to get a wife and have a heterosexual life. It was actually very appalling to outside people how the Greek's treated sex (Persians particularly saw it awkwardly). Even more, while you might notice I am only speaking about men, women was a whole other very very odd story. Search the island of Lesbos and laws of women having relations on women it gets a lot more confusing.
I guess we just have two completely different views on how the situation was. In most of classical greece and in particular sparta from what i gather homosexual activity was very taboo and frowned down upon according to my interpretation of it and you differ in that you believe it was kind of a casual act that people didnt really care about. I suppose there are bits and pieces from text that could support your theory but i think that the evidence that points to my view on it is more overwhelming. Xenophon said that homosexual activity was not taking place in the agoge.
Sexuality is not a choice and the girls cut their hair to keep evil spirits from attacking them on their wedding day. Please read Plutarch and Xenophon. Brasidas is one of my heroes and Kynisca and her racehorses is one of my favorite stories. I respect gay men, but really, straight men and women do exist and we don't need trickery to be attracted to each other. Two Spartan queens gave their lives supporting the return of land to the disenfranchised Spartans.They were murdered by Leonidas II for supporting the reforms of Agis IV. And evidence suggests that Gorgo's son and Spartan king was gay. He ruled for over twenty years and no one knows anything about him. The Spartans in spite of the modern belief that military men are all gay, the Spartans were terribly homophobic.
Me: Spartans know how to live my dudes- *Marriage Ceremony* Me: what the actual fuck my boi- I mean... bisexual dudes are cool- but like... still a bit acward.
It’s not perfect but spartan women have the expectation to be physically fit and educated. That’s what I like.
I know this is getting to be an old video but I am currently writing a paper involving Spartan women and this has been SO helpful
I loved this, thank you. I ordered two of the books you mentioned in the beginning. I visited a psychic (for fun) who said I was an important spartan woman in a previous lifetime. Now, I don't know about all that lol, but it got me interested in the history. And it's funny all the things you mention. I'm of Greek origin, I play the piano, I've raced several half marathons (this gave me motivation to sign up for another), I have a doctorate level degree in nurse anesthesia, and I always joke with my husband that I would like 2 husbands. It's weird! Great documentary, thank you so much. This lifted my spirits. The only thing missing was a martini for myself. Hahahaha.
Excellent to hear =)
So this might’ve been something I heard but they say Spartan women carried a switch blade on them in case their husbands got abusive and the cuts and scars they would carry showed disgrace and I thought that was immaculate ✨✨
I think if we observed the good things about Spartan culture they could have a positive effect either in society or your personal life.
agreed! and the bad things about Spartan culture can also have a positive effect, by showing us all the pitfalls to avoid :)
Wait... They actually learned how to wrestle? That is amazing!
gingercore69 How?
Nothing spells trust like giving your lover the means to kill/harm you. 😂
@@DeltaCain13 That's something I'd look for in a partner. I find it extremely attractive when a woman can protect herself with wit or martial prowess.
@@htoodoh5770 its amazing because at the time in 99% of the world, wrestling was a mans sport... Not because women cant wrestle, ive been thrown on my back by women more times than by men...
@Si Guey bold of you to think i was only speaking about sparring... I live in a third world country... Ive been asaulted many times for the last 16 years... First time was at knife point when i was 11, last time was in december, and ive survived this far by beating the shit out of attackers 🤷🏼♀️ just happens that ive fought more skilled women than skilled men...
I just found this video, such a great breakdown of the topic and the speaker did An amazing job. Thank you so much! Awesome find
Side note the martini and vibe sis everything. That outfit…on point!!! Love love love
its best to train women in all aspects so they are better mates, mothers, teachers etc overall. i work along side my husband to fix the cars, house, and repairs, chopping wood… and my dad taught us defense when we were little and i can grapple a man like a damn spider monkey. men who fear women are weak, men who work along side them are REAL men. a real man appreciates a real women.
I bet you don’t think women should be conscripted to fight functioning patriarchy’s like China and Russia.
The ironic thing is Spartan women were not feminist at all. Yet were truly treated as equals while recognizing biology.
Equal is a strong word XP. They did not have suffrage or many things that males had. However, I would argue that for Ancient Greece they were the most dominant female society.
NBS History Yes they might have been dominated but not in the terms that American society promotes now.
@Dragon Dimosthenis Aristotle argues "The result proves the faulty nature of their laws
respecting property; for the city sank under a single defeat; the want
of men was their ruin" (Aristotle, Politics: Book 2)
@Dragon Dimosthenis nop,the reason sparta lost was because by that time Romans got better with strategy roman invented the gladius sword and bigger square shield
@Dragon Dimosthenis yap that include too that was one of the disadvantage too they were mere by that time,but I don't think spartan would it beat the roman if spartan were as much as they were in their prime times,Romans invented the gladius and square bigger shield convince with amazing tragedy sooner or later Spartans would it get destroy by romans,
everything about spartans are amazing including their lack of fear towards homosexuality, gender bending, and general adaptation to help each other for the good of the state
This was a very interesting video. I enjoyed the content immensely. Would love to hear more. Thank you.
I deeply enjoyed this video and learned so much!!
ty very much, I enjoyed writing these pieces and despite the fact my channel has changed to be about the Pacific War, I still have quite a few pieces to do on women's history for Asia.
love this, more on the Spartan woman and similar ancient female lifestyles
Good looking man talking about emancipated woman is everything to me
Thank you Sarah Conor, alongside Ellen Riply I think you are the best female characters of cinematic history XP.
Get a life.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if women and men were educated together in Sparta if nothing else for the male instructors to use this as an excuse to beat and ridicule their male students if a female student excelled at something over a male student.
Haha. They we're all to busy beating up the poor Helots.
yes! do more please! this was really cool and i'd like to learn more about women in history :)
haha I will be, simply hard I am a full time grad student and I work full time. I have more content to come, might do a comparisons on Athenian woman vs Spartan.
Thanks that sounds great^^! Take your time, don't overwork yourself!
Do you have any video about women in ancient sumerian societies? For what i have read, it was also not exactly the same in every city... But still pretty interesting how they lived
Great vid! Please do one about Helen of Troy.
I thought this was a very cool presentation. Could you do one of Ancient Roman women?
Notice how we TODAY, are regressing back to Ancient Pagan, Sparta, ( and Ancient Pagan Athens in some ways) , rather than the one and a half thousand years later in the Greek Christian, Roman Empire, led by glittering Constantinople, which had progressed in countless ways in almost every aspect of life. They also created a governing system that helped them rule the longest running empire in world history….. so why are we regressing backwards?
I had my doubts but this is solid work and well done. You got a new sub.
Also, you should do research on China or Japan.
Why thank you Mr. Tom Bombadil :)
Very informative, but FYI you might want to get a better microphone.
Yeah, very much aware. Even the more recent videos I tried using a new mic and its even worse! I am changing my entire setup and with it I will have a standing mic that can't explode with white noise -.-.
Great video
6:46 ok you killed that one haha
Do you know which famous Athenian said and is recorded saying "Only mothers should be midwives, as they know which infants are to be placed on the hill." Some in Athens thought it would inspire women to have perfect looking infants if they see and hear the infants placed on the hill suffer before they die. I do not know but maybe this is where the sacrifice on a hill came from.
In Athens the father decided if the child would live or not. The "hill" could very well come from Athens. I'd like to add modern scholars believe the numbers were very low for infantcide in Sparta or other greek city states (Athens).
@@ThePacificWarChannel Thank you for informing me, of that.
I LOVE STUDYING ABOUT ANCIENT CULTURES!😃
I studied the Spartans thoroughly but was sorely lacking in the lives of Spartan women.
Thank you for this! Please give us more!
One comment on editing... leave the data slides like education, on longer so can read them. Good lecture.
Will do. I have also decided to add footnotes within new video's I am making.
Very useful. Thank you.
There is significant evidence that Xenophon's "pro-spartan" writings used factual distortions (which in all honesty is simply Ancient Greek writing, they all did this). While reading his earliest pieces on Sparta towards the last, you notice his opinion changes rather dramatically, many have accused him of becoming disillusioned with Spartan customs. I would point out personally what I notice from his work, his praise or blames for individual traits and or collectivities. While its true Xenophon wrote that Spartan's found pederasty an "abomination" (I think this adds more to your homophobic claim) its widely argued that Sparta was the first to formalize pederasty.... (honestly scholars still bicker over this today and the issues of homosexuality). Simply put Spartan men were unique...they had to be with men in a barracks till they were 30...it goes without saying this increased the homosexual encounter rate significantly compared to other Greek city states.
As for the shaving of the head, Plutarch wrote of this and as we know Roman customs crept into his writing. The importance of women hair in Roman rituals (veiling and unveiling rituals for widows) is relevant and makes him a questionable source. Your mention of "evil spirits" refers to the "evil eye". From the scholar Sarah B. Pomeroy "An abduction rather than a joyous spectacular wedding ceremony may serve to ward off the JEALOUS EVIL EYE. The shaving of the head and dressing of the bride as a man (Plutarch. Lyc. 15.8) may have been part of a rite of passage that signaled her entrance into a new life. As a maiden she wore her hair long and uncovered, as a wife wore it short, and covered by a veil. The bride's costume may have also helped to ease the husbands transition to procreative sex from the homosexual intercourse to which he was accustomed"
Widespread homosexuality was simply not a thing especially not in sparta.
This is a distortion of history made by people with political bias.
Read Platos Symposium
Homosexuality was very tabo in Greece and not accepted socially.
@@Thullin00 Homosexuality and homosexual relations are two completely different things in Ancient Greece. One was expected to take a wife and have offspring regardless of what sexual actions they took during their life before marriage. Humorous to state someone with an agenda would distort such a subject, kind of how you did not disassociate homosexuality and homosexual relations in making your point ;). To further point out, Sparta was often mocked for its over tones in homosexuality, this weird idea that its "very much not a thing in Sparta" is absolutely unfounded. Don't worry, the Persians were just as homosexual as the rest.
I meant homosexual relations i missworded it.
Ofcourse it has taken place in every society to some extent but it was very very taboo and frowned upon in Sparta and though it was a while ago since i read a lot about Sparta i believe there were even severall Spartan kings that were forced to abdicate the throne because they were caught in homosexual activity.
@@Thullin00 Now you see your not wrong, its just complicated. Sparta like most of Greece underwent changes during the ancient times (most significant is Rome's ascension as the Mediterranean power). Policy changed particularly as a result of overbearing Rome and yes homosexuality norms changed to. Even before then, homosexuality was "taboo", but its often misunderstood. The only way I can think to describe it is, having a actual relationship with between two men and two men had sex. It's almost as if homosexual sex was the same as masturbation honestly, was fine if it occurred, but don't forget to get a wife and have a heterosexual life. It was actually very appalling to outside people how the Greek's treated sex (Persians particularly saw it awkwardly). Even more, while you might notice I am only speaking about men, women was a whole other very very odd story. Search the island of Lesbos and laws of women having relations on women it gets a lot more confusing.
I guess we just have two completely different views on how the situation was.
In most of classical greece and in particular sparta from what i gather homosexual activity was very taboo and frowned down upon according to my interpretation of it and you differ in that you believe it was kind of a casual act that people didnt really care about.
I suppose there are bits and pieces from text that could support your theory but i think that the evidence that points to my view on it is more overwhelming. Xenophon said that homosexual activity was not taking place in the agoge.
Great for Women's History Month!
The Spartans worshipped Aphrodite ❤️
I knew you would do something like this.
-Brent Lambrix
I didn't like seeing the poor little elephants fall:(
(Runs away and forgets to check thread)
Outstanding presentation!
Thank you :)
Sexuality is not a choice and the girls cut their hair to keep evil spirits from attacking them on their wedding day. Please read Plutarch and Xenophon. Brasidas is one of my heroes and Kynisca and her racehorses is one of my favorite stories. I respect gay men, but really, straight men and women do exist and we don't need trickery to be attracted to each other. Two Spartan queens gave their lives supporting the return of land to the disenfranchised Spartans.They were murdered by Leonidas II for supporting the reforms of Agis IV.
And evidence suggests that Gorgo's son and Spartan king was gay. He ruled for over twenty years and no one knows anything about him. The Spartans in spite of the modern belief that military men are all gay, the Spartans were terribly homophobic.
Hi can you please talk about the salamis battle ?
Me: Spartans know how to live my dudes-
*Marriage Ceremony*
Me: what the actual fuck my boi- I mean... bisexual dudes are cool- but like... still a bit acward.
*Women of the ruling class.
I love Michelle!!!!!! She puts up with my mjschievious ways.
-James Bosquez from The USS Princeton
You're so funny.
-Michelle Hernandez from Los Angeles
Spartan women was the first drag queens
haha!
I told you guys!!!!!!
-Frank Ponce
7:38 mmmeh...no XD...can you spell these words?
Aphrodite was crowned the most beautiful and married off to Hephaestus to stop the Men fighting over her!
I want to hear more about gays and women
LOL he is sooo drunk!
19:50 'twerkin for Artemis
I declare World War 3 on the Bosquez Klan.
-ET3 Bosquez
🇬🇷🇬🇷❤️❤️❤️
why is cersei here
Why is short hair represent status?
Htoo Doh // I think married women cut their hair but single women had long hair
Spartan women were strong fighters unlike Athenian women.
This guy looks like the epitome of a pseudo intellectual.
Lol well said
Still a very smart man.
Are you drinking a Cosmopolitan? SMH
love it and ur cute
Lol bud.
-Anton Newcombe
Feminists want to live in ancient Sparta.
Or we should say Yllirian instead of Greek .
let's simply say Athens was a much better place...heh