No, the games are only using the V-cache. Cache is more important for games, but no so much for productivity and all core workloads. In this way games still run faster.
@@geiers6013 I'm pretty sure it's still a work horse and.great for both. There is compromise and on a chip with this many cores I thinks it's a good give and take. Only half the chip is "gimped" or "nerfed" for gaming and the other is full speed ahead. Also the half that's mostly gaming is just slower. Still good for production. I guess we will have to wait and see for benchmarks but I think it's going to be just fine. Better than a just an x3d chip. So really it's a win. What's the real difference between big and little cores and this?
@@robertbolzicco9995 Yes, thats true. But little cores from Intel are more efficient. The thing is their big cores are clocked so high Intel cpus still need much more power and are still far more inefficient than even ryzen 7000 cpus without V-cache.
@@mikeramos91 not really the cache just isn’t doesn’t matter as much for some tasks and they also don’t want lower clocks because some people only look at clock speed. Intel is going with almost the opposite idea and is focused on slowing down some parts of the cpu to give other parts a uplift in performance
A ryzen 5 7600x3d at 299 would be nice. EDIT (02/09/2024): It has almost been released! And at the price of 299 us dollars, which I predicted over a year ago.
@@tylerclayton6081 if you compare power with amount of cores or not knowing the resolution used. you're the real fool. 7600x beats 13600k with 14 cores in gaming.
@@mememanfresh I’m using my laptop as a desktop replacement anyways. I just need something I can lug around to uni and back… Or an iPad, I think either would work…
I also saw that running anything besides a 3-D coreS does not improve anything so it’s basically now you have a gaming CPU split in half with the workload. It’s pretty slick.
Even though the 7950x goes about a 50/50 with the 13900ks. And generally only gives a much higher performance at 1080p and 1440p. Biggest advantage is how much less power it uses compared to intel's flagship while offering almost, the same, or even more performance. Not to mention it's easier to keep cool. Intel's too busy trying to squeeze as much out of current designs while AMD is branching out into some seriously impressive new ideas that are definitely paying off.
@@HyperionZeroI am a creator and who has a 13900k and ready to throw out after constant heating and tweaktheadaches. The asus board even with power limits added can’t reliably handle io properly and my gpu driver keeps reinstalling itself every 3 boots and it’s very very loud! I will never use Intel again and at Microcenter now picking up my 7950x3d
@@elderman64 it’s fucked up. I get all sorts of strange issues. I put in Intel fail safe and my voltage skyrockets and under clocks my cpu to 5.2 ghz. If I undervolt like up go .25 volts then it can go to 5.5. I disabled current protection and excursions and now voltage lowered?? I have my ai llc set to 3.5 with manual volt settings and io now works again. Thank god. It doesn’t make sense at all as the laws of science do not back up any of this and my board is doing god knows what.
How? LGA CPUs are better. I'd rather the sensitive and bendable pins be on the socket that can be easily repaired + replaced than permanently damaging my CPU.
This video is a little misleading. Gamers should wait for the 7800X3D. With the 7800X3D, you won't have to worry about how the game or OS prioritizes the CPUs (only half the CCDs in the 7950x have 3D cache) and it won't have as much latency. The 7950X3D is more of a hybrid gaming/productivity CPU. It should do well in productivity since the cores clock higher but for gaming the 7800X3D will be significantly better.
@@jollygoodfellow3957 It will literally perform better. Not talking about price to performance, just straight up performance in gaming-related tasks. Hardware Unboxed and some others have run simulated benchmarks and all have reached the same conclusion. The achilles heel of the 7950X3D is the scheduler and not always choosing the right core for the task at hand. And even if the scheduling gets fixed to where its 100% accurate, there's still the issue of latency (i.e. the time it takes the scheduler to make the determination on which core to use).
Bro 3d vcache/More Core approach has started with Zen microarchitechture in 2017... 5 years for Intel to design new chips with more core seperation in mind. 3D vcahce is an addition to more core designs
There are games that takeadvantage of 3D vcache Factorio being the most famous example but it does help with other games too but sometimes it doesn't and you need that extra frequency. The reason two sets of 3d vcache doesn't help is because games are so lightly threaded they only ever use one CCX
They didn’t make their own software lmao they relying on 3RD party software and Xbox game bar. On another note. It’s the best CPU on the market for both gaming and productivity combined - it’s also great for future proofing your build.
For anyone wondering, the 7950x3d is really good for both gaming and productivity while the 7800x3d is good for gaming but mid for productivity. I think..
Well not really mobile cpus all in one wifi broadband gpu cpu main cores secondary cores and others that the phone can do is in a soc form cpu unless you mean the laptop one as mobile but in any case mobile is 35w cpu so they aint the same you compare them by just logic and their real functions as they re completely different
Games that are built on top of ecs or in other words take advantage of the cache would really benefit from it, its just most games aren't fully accommodating the ecs design or at all
Get the 7800x3d if you want pure gaming. you wouldn't need another upgrade for the next 10 years. I run it with my Msi 4090 Suprim Liquid and trident z5 neo 2x32gb cl30 (amd expo). be careful not to confuse it with the trident z5 2c32gb cl30 (intel xmp).
@@keterclassentity6716 I used 2009 dell prebuilt pc in 2021 to play Runescape, EOC, WOW, and COD and got decent fps, no lag, except slight tears with COD. it was an average build in that era.
With the 9950X3D looking like its going to have dual 3d vcache tiles and improved X3D to make it just as good in productivity, I think its safe to say Intel is defeated
These cpus of AMD might be the first real gaming GPU's that at least AMD has ever launched. But they need to fix the drivers as sometimes it prioritizes the wrong ones and you get inconsistent benchmarks where it underperformers. In the reviews where they manually enabled the correct settings, it dominates all games. Truly seems like this can be the Cpu's that finally makes gamers switch.
The 7800x3d will get away with the scheduler bug. A single chiplet with a 3dvcache on it. It would be logical to only pick those cores on the single chiplet as there is no other cores to choose from.
I kinda hate the idea of disabling half my CPU to get better performance in games. To be honest the 7950X3D is a weird chip; X3D makes the most sense on midranged chips.
It doesn't disable them, simply parks them so that the cache CCX is preferred. The other cores will still spin up when needed. And it's not very different than what Intel does with the P cores and E cores at all, you're not using any of those E cores when gaming. The biggest issue with both is the scheduling, but those issues can be ironed out with software updates, as Intel has shown.
Literally no one mentions disabling things. What the video meant is that because games prefer 3DVC chip, the controller should automatically assign applications to either chips based on whether the application is cache dependent or clock-speed dependent. So, nothing gets disabled
@@aesampah I get that. It's not a rational thing; I just _don't like it._ Calling them efficiency cores makes it so it doesn't feel as bad when they aren't used in gaming. Those two chiplets are pretty similar in terms of physical architecture, sans the 3D V-Cache + and infrastructure necessary for it, no? But yeah - I just don't like the idea of it for some reason; it's not based on any meaningful real life information.
@@Terabit3 Honestly wouldn't be too bad. The 7950x3d only pulls like 150W at max load, and the 4090 can't even hit the 450W it's designed for before being limited in other areas. They're both incredibly efficient pieces of silicon.
Interestingly, this means that, internal information exaggerated v-cache performance like they did with RDNA3. Sources told MLiD that the lower clocks on the 5800X3D were merely due to it basically being a beta test of the tech and that the 7800X3D perfects it. This was the reason for clocks not suffering. But, that is either from a too distant source who jumped to conclusions after seeing the 7950X3D having the same clocks or from someone internal who was almost as high on hopium as the Radeon team. Hopefully, it still gets great performance in games, but this aspect of leaks seems to have been very wrong.
Remember the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D will almost always out preform the AMD Ryzen 7 7950 in a PURE gaming environment. If all you want to do is game then use the 7800X3D. Otherwise if you need a Gaming with productivity workstation then use the 7950X3D
AMD should step back to monolithic chip design, as the 3D-Vcache would be available to all cores, plus, the Heat transfer to the CPU Cooler would be way better.
The idea was a monster L3$, so I'd had paid for a fully X3D$ Chip, keyword X3D meaning: 3xL3$ in a 3D overlay; it doesn't matter if apps take a hit, you make it overclockable and give it higher Frequency, 'coz the apps needing lots of data/code will benefit from a large L3$. Really bad idea to make it mediocre and as fast as a much cheaper 7800X3D; so why buy that Chip that's expensive when I can get the regular 7950X that'll perform as much, and that extra L3$ will be only used at random, and only with those 8 Cores in that CCX, can't be shared disappointed 😔
X3D is better because of the cache... it's worth it in my opinion Edit: Especially if you know that biggest problem about Ryzen is how hungry it is for Cache... more Cache = better for it... just more cache improves perfomance massively
they already made it. Ryzen Threadripper 3990x was the first consumer grade 64 core cpu. it's successor is the same but for Ryzen Threadripper 5000 series they only made it for workstation providers under the Threadripper pro banned so they are even more expensive CPUs, you can technically but them but it's not worth it, with Intel not being competitive AMD saw no reason to offer these for normal people. Alternatively the Epyc server CPUs have high cores too, some even beyond 64 now
Threadripper Pro already delivers a 64 core desktop cpu experience, and Threadripper 7000 Zen 4 will deliver 96 cores of HEDT and non HEDT performance metrics!
I am not buying into the whole 3D CPU thing; games are mostly GPU intensive, unless under utilizing the GPU, so as long as your CPU doesn’t bottleneck that’s all that matters!
I own the 5800x3d and it is sincerely the best CPU I've ever owned. I've always heard that 'the best technology is what you don't notice at all' and it definitely applies here. I can play super CPU intensive games like Tarkov, which in the past have completely killed my CPU usage. On the x3D it's stable at 37% at all times and that's with other programs running on other monitors. Oh and I'll have VMware running with my work VM inside. Like most AMD CPUs it does run a little bit hot and I would expect the 7000 series x3D to do the same thing. So get a really good cooling device.
@@KommonCents_ yeah. Give it a couple of years and intel will jump on board. Next we're going to eventually either need wider CPUs or more vertical ones. But dissipating the heat from the bottom and middle stacks in a 3D cpu will be the hurdle there, maybe building in gaps for the IHS and/or making the IHS part of the CPU itself instead of just a cover on top like now.
@@Deadeye313 now you’re just saying, it’s not truly mature until it’s faster, it could get faster, and it will mature, but I wouldn’t say that there’s a defined maturity limit.
This shit is getting way too complicated. There's twice the amount of chips on the package but you only can use one or the other, not both, and you don't get to chose which to use, it tries to chose for you. What the hell. Why can't cpus just be cpus again and why do we need cpus that draw hundreds of watts out of the box. My friends 11400f uses 150 watts out of the box and it's not even that fast.
I'd rather they went all in with the 3d cache, that way if i need the extra cache i can buy that cpu, and if i need the higher clocks i go with the normal one.
I won't even consider getting a 7800X3D until the price is $300 or less. $450 is just way too much for an 8 core CPU imo. Otherwise, ill just get a 5800X3D for my already built am4 X570 machine for $300. I don't really even need a 5800X3D. My 5700X for $175 is fine for me and my 2080 super. A 12700k is on sale for like $250, and its a fast chip. You can build a nice system around a Z690 motherboard and a 12700k for way less than the $450 7800X3D. Its not like I'm gaming on an RTX 4090 at 1080p. My 2080 Super @1440p Ultra is usually pretty balanced or GPU bound anyway. I would probably only get a big boost in games like cs go, Valorant, apex legends and overwatch. All those games already run at like 300fps as it is, and I have an LG 27GP850-B which is 1440p 180hz. Going over 200fps doesn't really help me, and I don't need a 360hz or 540hz monitor. I'm not a pro cs go or Valorant player.
Why? The best thing about 5800X3D and 7800X3D is it has one CCX, one chiclet meaning the entire thing will benefit from the vcache, better latency, best for gaming, and maybe better memory overclocks. Made the right choice 👍
Didnt all the benchmarks show that these are actually slower than their non 3d vcache counterparts unless you disable like half the cores? The 7800X3D isnt out yet but reviews of the 7900X3d a d 7950x3d made it seem like they were a waste of money since the performance gain just wasnt there...
Yes they are slower Above 1080p, you get a speed drop of 1-5% depending on what you're doing and how high up the resolution tree you went. It's marketed poorly, honestly. Why? Because you're getting a 5% performance drop at a 50% wattage drop. absolute crazy efficiency on this thing, but they wanted to market for who again? Think it was gaming.
Ryzen 7000 in general has way more performance than Intel core 9th gen. Ryzen 7000 is meant to go against Intel 12/13gen, 9 gen is years ago. Ryzen 3000 was just under 5% performance difference with that
Didnt help in games, dont make me laugh. Plenty of reviewers have proven quite the opposite, with 3d v-cache the games run so much faster than without.
Ahhh. now I understand why the upcoming 7800x3d has lower clocks than the 7700x. Which are the same CPU, one with 3DVCache an one without, it is because it's not a chiplet design, so they can't keep the clocks the same.
This is actually perfect. You have speed for both games and doing things. Honestly. The best of both worlds!
No, the games are only using the V-cache. Cache is more important for games, but no so much for productivity and all core workloads. In this way games still run faster.
@@geiers6013 I'm pretty sure it's still a work horse and.great for both. There is compromise and on a chip with this many cores I thinks it's a good give and take. Only half the chip is "gimped" or "nerfed" for gaming and the other is full speed ahead. Also the half that's mostly gaming is just slower. Still good for production. I guess we will have to wait and see for benchmarks but I think it's going to be just fine. Better than a just an x3d chip. So really it's a win. What's the real difference between big and little cores and this?
@@robertbolzicco9995 Yes, thats true. But little cores from Intel are more efficient. The thing is their big cores are clocked so high Intel cpus still need much more power and are still far more inefficient than even ryzen 7000 cpus without V-cache.
in a way, they are following Intel's logic
@@mikeramos91 not really the cache just isn’t doesn’t matter as much for some tasks and they also don’t want lower clocks because some people only look at clock speed. Intel is going with almost the opposite idea and is focused on slowing down some parts of the cpu to give other parts a uplift in performance
I don't have enough cache in my wallet to be able to buy one of these
R u jealous I just ordered one?
Good for you ? Weirdo...@@Bk_owns
I got mines on sale for 400 something
@sagardeswal6465 same😢
Mine came in a $700 bundle that included a MSI X670E MAG Tomahawk WiFi & 32GB G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000
A ryzen 5 7600x3d at 299 would be nice.
EDIT (02/09/2024): It has almost been released! And at the price of 299 us dollars, which I predicted over a year ago.
Ew 6 cores 🤢 🤮
I always wait 6 months or so.. you just throwing money out the window at lunch
@@tylerclayton6081 So? A great affordable gaming CPU would be nice.
@@diyfan2808 I was joking. 7600x and 5600x/g are both pretty good
@@tylerclayton6081 if you compare power with amount of cores or not knowing the resolution used. you're the real fool. 7600x beats 13600k with 14 cores in gaming.
Omfg this is exactly what I need before I start uni! Can’t wait to see if they release mobile variants with 3DV-cache…
That would be insane! I’m thinking 7800HX 3D
yuck mobile
@@drew2626 100% buying if it drops…
@@mememanfresh I’m using my laptop as a desktop replacement anyways. I just need something I can lug around to uni and back…
Or an iPad, I think either would work…
@@mememanfresh lol good luck bringing those cpu tower and and also finding a power source
I also saw that running anything besides a 3-D coreS does not improve anything so it’s basically now you have a gaming CPU split in half with the workload. It’s pretty slick.
It improves single threaded total war performance, so just like an overclock. It was the same with Intel Broadwell.
Even though the 7950x goes about a 50/50 with the 13900ks. And generally only gives a much higher performance at 1080p and 1440p. Biggest advantage is how much less power it uses compared to intel's flagship while offering almost, the same, or even more performance. Not to mention it's easier to keep cool. Intel's too busy trying to squeeze as much out of current designs while AMD is branching out into some seriously impressive new ideas that are definitely paying off.
Clearly not for creators.
@@HyperionZeroI am a creator and who has a 13900k and ready to throw out after constant heating and tweaktheadaches. The asus board even with power limits added can’t reliably handle io properly and my gpu driver keeps reinstalling itself every 3 boots and it’s very very loud! I will never use Intel again and at Microcenter now picking up my 7950x3d
@@timothygibney159 Every three boots? Something's wrong with your mobo or entire system, a cpu cant really cause that.
@@elderman64 it’s fucked up. I get all sorts of strange issues. I put in Intel fail safe and my voltage skyrockets and under clocks my cpu to 5.2 ghz. If I undervolt like up go .25 volts then it can go to 5.5. I disabled current protection and excursions and now voltage lowered?? I have my ai llc set to 3.5 with manual volt settings and io now works again. Thank god. It doesn’t make sense at all as the laws of science do not back up any of this and my board is doing god knows what.
I still feel sad that AMD is no longer using PGA processors anymore.
I don’t, I work in a program where kids build computers and we have quite a few bent pins 😢
How? LGA CPUs are better. I'd rather the sensitive and bendable pins be on the socket that can be easily repaired + replaced than permanently damaging my CPU.
@@---capybara--- I work in one and the mobos get broken just as easily
@@IT10T For PGA or LGA? I’m curious
Same because ZIF sockets made it easier to run bare die
This video is a little misleading. Gamers should wait for the 7800X3D. With the 7800X3D, you won't have to worry about how the game or OS prioritizes the CPUs (only half the CCDs in the 7950x have 3D cache) and it won't have as much latency. The 7950X3D is more of a hybrid gaming/productivity CPU. It should do well in productivity since the cores clock higher but for gaming the 7800X3D will be significantly better.
When you say the 7800X3D will be better for gaming do you mean it will literally perform better or are you just talking about price to performance?
No, the 7800X3D should have the same gaming performance, since with the new chipset driver games only use the V-cache cores of the 7950X3D.
@@jollygoodfellow3957 It will literally perform better. Not talking about price to performance, just straight up performance in gaming-related tasks. Hardware Unboxed and some others have run simulated benchmarks and all have reached the same conclusion. The achilles heel of the 7950X3D is the scheduler and not always choosing the right core for the task at hand. And even if the scheduling gets fixed to where its 100% accurate, there's still the issue of latency (i.e. the time it takes the scheduler to make the determination on which core to use).
@@Will-vj5bc Thanks bro.
Until reviewers have their hands on all 3 chips and release testing info that’s merely speculation
ryzen 7950X2.5D ;)
Just like the gtx 970 3.5 lol
@@kaoe145 that is very weird to
Dude, this is just a way to compete with Intel’s P and E cores. Which is great! Its always good to see competition. Helps with prices.
No
Bro 3d vcache/More Core approach has started with Zen microarchitechture in 2017... 5 years for Intel to design new chips with more core seperation in mind. 3D vcahce is an addition to more core designs
This might sound odd, but you have the best voice I've ever heard for youtube/media. Also, keep up the good work in vids.
There are games that takeadvantage of 3D vcache Factorio being the most famous example but it does help with other games too but sometimes it doesn't and you need that extra frequency.
The reason two sets of 3d vcache doesn't help is because games are so lightly threaded they only ever use one CCX
They didn’t make their own software lmao they relying on 3RD party software and Xbox game bar.
On another note. It’s the best CPU on the market for both gaming and productivity combined - it’s also great for future proofing your build.
Gamermeld can be a VA or radio host. His voice is bright and soothing. It's nice to the ear to listen.
For anyone wondering, the 7950x3d is really good for both gaming and productivity while the 7800x3d is good for gaming but mid for productivity. I think..
Your shorts are much better than your videos. Less click baity 👌
it's so weird that desktop CPUs are starting to have different types of cores like mobile CPUs have had
Well not really mobile cpus all in one wifi broadband gpu cpu main cores secondary cores and others that the phone can do is in a soc form cpu unless you mean the laptop one as mobile but in any case mobile is 35w cpu so they aint the same you compare them by just logic and their real functions as they re completely different
Dude thanks for clarifying how this works.
Games that are built on top of ecs or in other words take advantage of the cache would really benefit from it, its just most games aren't fully accommodating the ecs design or at all
Get the 7800x3d if you want pure gaming. you wouldn't need another upgrade for the next 10 years.
I run it with my Msi 4090 Suprim Liquid and trident z5 neo 2x32gb cl30 (amd expo). be careful not to confuse it with the trident z5 2c32gb cl30 (intel xmp).
moores law disagrees
@@keterclassentity6716 I used 2009 dell prebuilt pc in 2021 to play Runescape, EOC, WOW, and COD and got decent fps, no lag, except slight tears with COD. it was an average build in that era.
10 years is very generous id give it 4
I want to comment again on this in 5 years😅
With the 9950X3D looking like its going to have dual 3d vcache tiles and improved X3D to make it just as good in productivity, I think its safe to say Intel is defeated
These cpus of AMD might be the first real gaming GPU's that at least AMD has ever launched. But they need to fix the drivers as sometimes it prioritizes the wrong ones and you get inconsistent benchmarks where it underperformers. In the reviews where they manually enabled the correct settings, it dominates all games. Truly seems like this can be the Cpu's that finally makes gamers switch.
The 7800x3d will get away with the scheduler bug. A single chiplet with a 3dvcache on it. It would be logical to only pick those cores on the single chiplet as there is no other cores to choose from.
"These cpus of AMD might be the first real gaming GPU's that at least AMD has ever launched."
not sure you understand what you are even talking about
It's like having dual CPU's one fast af, and other with more Cache for prodcutivity.
A Gaming Workstation! Finally because gamer these days is highly productive
Always wait 4-6 months to buy.. just waiting the few months buying the 7900x saved me a bunch..
I kinda hate the idea of disabling half my CPU to get better performance in games.
To be honest the 7950X3D is a weird chip; X3D makes the most sense on midranged chips.
It doesn't disable them, simply parks them so that the cache CCX is preferred. The other cores will still spin up when needed. And it's not very different than what Intel does with the P cores and E cores at all, you're not using any of those E cores when gaming. The biggest issue with both is the scheduling, but those issues can be ironed out with software updates, as Intel has shown.
Literally no one mentions disabling things.
What the video meant is that because games prefer 3DVC chip, the controller should automatically assign applications to either chips based on whether the application is cache dependent or clock-speed dependent. So, nothing gets disabled
@@aesampah I get that. It's not a rational thing; I just _don't like it._ Calling them efficiency cores makes it so it doesn't feel as bad when they aren't used in gaming. Those two chiplets are pretty similar in terms of physical architecture, sans the 3D V-Cache + and infrastructure necessary for it, no?
But yeah - I just don't like the idea of it for some reason; it's not based on any meaningful real life information.
Need this for school projects.
I need this for my chrome browsing bro
imagine putting that cpu into a computer with 128 gb of ram and a rtx 4090 and playing a game with shaders with it💀
RIP your power supply
@@Terabit3 fr💀
N play minecraft
@@daKamikaze with 8k RTX shaders
@@Terabit3 Honestly wouldn't be too bad. The 7950x3d only pulls like 150W at max load, and the 4090 can't even hit the 450W it's designed for before being limited in other areas. They're both incredibly efficient pieces of silicon.
I’d like to see AMD and Intel team up on NVIDIA
Why are you all buying this? Check the benchmarks, the i9-13990ks is better and cheaper.
Intel 7
Interestingly, this means that, internal information exaggerated v-cache performance like they did with RDNA3.
Sources told MLiD that the lower clocks on the 5800X3D were merely due to it basically being a beta test of the tech and that the 7800X3D perfects it. This was the reason for clocks not suffering. But, that is either from a too distant source who jumped to conclusions after seeing the 7950X3D having the same clocks or from someone internal who was almost as high on hopium as the Radeon team. Hopefully, it still gets great performance in games, but this aspect of leaks seems to have been very wrong.
I don’t trust a thing until the products are in reviewers (like GN or Jayz2cents) hands.
It is not about cost but temperature, cooling. 3d means lower layer is more tricky to keep cool. So it has to run slower.
Does the core suggestion software work in Linux too?
probably not atm but they could and may make it open source software just like FSR so Linux users could use it
I bought ryzen 9 7950 x 3d yesterday. And this is in my feed
Remember the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D will almost always out preform the AMD Ryzen 7 7950 in a PURE gaming environment. If all you want to do is game then use the 7800X3D. Otherwise if you need a Gaming with productivity workstation then use the 7950X3D
I will stick with 3Dvcache chips for now on! So far the 5800x3d has been making all my games buttery smooth!
Now we just need a CPU with 2D and 3D. MMX would be nice too...
This sounds like a great option for an option even though I understood none of that
Where did you get your shirt from ?
AMD should step back to monolithic chip design, as the 3D-Vcache would be available to all cores, plus, the Heat transfer to the CPU Cooler would be way better.
A monolithic design would end up costing much more to build. Might actually be cheaper to just put v-cache on both chiplets.
The v-cache can be used by both chiplets the issue is increased latency, I however agree they shouldve put v-cache on both
Depends on your game, I give 0 F about fps, I need a cpu that can handle late game stellaris with a 10k star galaxy and 100+ mods
The idea was a monster L3$, so I'd had paid for a fully X3D$ Chip, keyword X3D meaning: 3xL3$ in a 3D overlay; it doesn't matter if apps take a hit, you make it overclockable and give it higher Frequency, 'coz the apps needing lots of data/code will benefit from a large L3$. Really bad idea to make it mediocre and as fast as a much cheaper 7800X3D; so why buy that Chip that's expensive when I can get the regular 7950X that'll perform as much, and that extra L3$ will be only used at random, and only with those 8 Cores in that CCX, can't be shared disappointed 😔
It's because of the thermals. Cache also burns energy, and probably doesn't like the heat.
@@FamilyFriedemann Maybe, but that's the deal, a full 16/32 with 3x the Cache, or at least shouldn't be parked but supporting any extra load
I've been really impressed by my R5 3600X at 4.2Ghz 24/7. So the R5 5600X would blow my head off then.
X3D is better because of the cache... it's worth it in my opinion
Edit: Especially if you know that biggest problem about Ryzen is how hungry it is for Cache... more Cache = better for it... just more cache improves perfomance massively
What? I know all this. I wanted to hear about the 7000X3D as per the title, because I've never heard of a 7000X3D !
Benchmark shows its very power efficient yet powerful CPU.
Imagine a 64 core desktop cpu if its gunna happen AMD will be the one that dose it.
they already made it. Ryzen Threadripper 3990x was the first consumer grade 64 core cpu. it's successor is the same but for Ryzen Threadripper 5000 series they only made it for workstation providers under the Threadripper pro banned so they are even more expensive CPUs, you can technically but them but it's not worth it, with Intel not being competitive AMD saw no reason to offer these for normal people.
Alternatively the Epyc server CPUs have high cores too, some even beyond 64 now
Threadripper Pro already delivers a 64 core desktop cpu experience, and Threadripper 7000 Zen 4 will deliver 96 cores of HEDT and non HEDT performance metrics!
It's not weird. It's revolutionary
I am not buying into the whole 3D CPU thing; games are mostly GPU intensive, unless under utilizing the GPU, so as long as your CPU doesn’t bottleneck that’s all that matters!
If you can get the 7950x for 100-150 dollars cheaper, don't bother with this x3d chip. It's not worth the hassle to setup.
I like how he says this is the new ryzen 7 while holding a Ryzen 9 box
Clock speeds are actually lower than the non 3d v-cache
I own the 5800x3d and it is sincerely the best CPU I've ever owned. I've always heard that 'the best technology is what you don't notice at all' and it definitely applies here. I can play super CPU intensive games like Tarkov, which in the past have completely killed my CPU usage. On the x3D it's stable at 37% at all times and that's with other programs running on other monitors. Oh and I'll have VMware running with my work VM inside.
Like most AMD CPUs it does run a little bit hot and I would expect the 7000 series x3D to do the same thing. So get a really good cooling device.
7 7700X or should I wait for the X3D variants?
@@fluzzles i personaly have 10900k and im waiting for the 3d versions
The way he was holding ryzen 9 box 😅
Yes there is , price cut , extra vcache is beneficial in all workloads
Also disableing one ccd just to game is dumb
Nah they goofed up not having V-cache on both ccd. That was the only reason not to get it.
I got my hands on the 7800x3d!
You may now start the pacer test
Sounds like a first gen product and now we gotta wait for the next generation in order to get 3D v-cache on everything and keep the speed.
I feel like this will become the standard across the board, just the next logical leap forward. Can't go smaller, stackem!
@@KommonCents_ yeah. Give it a couple of years and intel will jump on board.
Next we're going to eventually either need wider CPUs or more vertical ones. But dissipating the heat from the bottom and middle stacks in a 3D cpu will be the hurdle there, maybe building in gaps for the IHS and/or making the IHS part of the CPU itself instead of just a cover on top like now.
This isn’t first gen, first gen launched April 2022, a year ago almost
@@thetshadow999animates9 maybe, but it's not truly mature until all cores get v-cache and no reduction in speed for cores with v-cache.
@@Deadeye313 now you’re just saying, it’s not truly mature until it’s faster, it could get faster, and it will mature, but I wouldn’t say that there’s a defined maturity limit.
I feel like the marketing then kinda scam people
This shit is getting way too complicated. There's twice the amount of chips on the package but you only can use one or the other, not both, and you don't get to chose which to use, it tries to chose for you. What the hell.
Why can't cpus just be cpus again and why do we need cpus that draw hundreds of watts out of the box. My friends 11400f uses 150 watts out of the box and it's not even that fast.
I don't really trust this software to work at all as advertised. Wouldn't be surprised if it caused major issues. Thoguhts and prayers 🙏
Well you right, it sorta doesnt work. The wrong half of the chip gets sleeped on games. Just so happens that, that side is the 3d vcache
amd finally used their brain and focused more on technique than amount of cores
They've been like that ever since Ryzen, wake up buddy lol.
Way better than Intel processors now wow😮😮
Sure, if you're the tune tasks that aren't thread bound. But I think that AMD did it better.,,
completely bizarre cpu to release, only beaten by the 7900x3d. and maybe the 11900k
I'd rather they went all in with the 3d cache, that way if i need the extra cache i can buy that cpu, and if i need the higher clocks i go with the normal one.
But no games use 16 cores
@@ChiquitaSpeaks gaming isn’t the be all and end all of a cpu
@@ethangoldwyre that’s what the main usages that’s advertised is for the extra cache
I won't even consider getting a 7800X3D until the price is $300 or less. $450 is just way too much for an 8 core CPU imo. Otherwise, ill just get a 5800X3D for my already built am4 X570 machine for $300. I don't really even need a 5800X3D. My 5700X for $175 is fine for me and my 2080 super. A 12700k is on sale for like $250, and its a fast chip. You can build a nice system around a Z690 motherboard and a 12700k for way less than the $450 7800X3D. Its not like I'm gaming on an RTX 4090 at 1080p. My 2080 Super @1440p Ultra is usually pretty balanced or GPU bound anyway. I would probably only get a big boost in games like cs go, Valorant, apex legends and overwatch. All those games already run at like 300fps as it is, and I have an LG 27GP850-B which is 1440p 180hz. Going over 200fps doesn't really help me, and I don't need a 360hz or 540hz monitor. I'm not a pro cs go or Valorant player.
Idk what imaginary world you live in but no next gen anything will be that cheap
Ive had the 5800x3d since release and the only bottle beck is the 3080 10gb
Did the fix the m.2s randomly disconnecting? I swapped to overpriced blue stuff because of that
I kinda wish my 5800X3D had a non vcache chiplet ... It'd be perfect
Why? The best thing about 5800X3D and 7800X3D is it has one CCX, one chiclet meaning the entire thing will benefit from the vcache, better latency, best for gaming, and maybe better memory overclocks. Made the right choice 👍
Dude you look like Rob Scallon 😮
Didnt all the benchmarks show that these are actually slower than their non 3d vcache counterparts unless you disable like half the cores? The 7800X3D isnt out yet but reviews of the 7900X3d a d 7950x3d made it seem like they were a waste of money since the performance gain just wasnt there...
Yes they are slower
Above 1080p, you get a speed drop of 1-5% depending on what you're doing and how high up the resolution tree you went.
It's marketed poorly, honestly.
Why? Because you're getting a 5% performance drop at a 50% wattage drop. absolute crazy efficiency on this thing, but they wanted to market for who again? Think it was gaming.
So…is that mean when you want to take advantage of the 3D vcache in game the 7950x3d is basically a 7800x3d….
I got recrommended this in 2024💀
Real monster is Threadripper
Mom can I get this AMD chip for my study related purposes?
You pay so much money then it bulges to death 😅. Just like a 4090’s melting connector. You don’t get what you paid for.
I want one! ❤
me with 5800x3d: 🚬🐧
I don’t like the word “Chiplet”. There I said it.
I clicked on this because I thought maybe for once you’d be talking like a normal human being
How does something like this stack up next to the i9 9900 eventually I'm going to upgrade. I'm just not sure to what yet
Ryzen 7000 in general has way more performance than Intel core 9th gen. Ryzen 7000 is meant to go against Intel 12/13gen, 9 gen is years ago. Ryzen 3000 was just under 5% performance difference with that
I like your funny words magic man
I have this paired with a 4070ti
Dibs on that cpu, send it my way
Well it doesnt even work properly. It fires up the non 3d v cache side of the chip when on a game
Why all the broke people comments lol, go to work fools! Build that PC
By the accent alone i cant tell if hes american british or australian, and same with the looks
So if I water cool it I can raise the clocks?
Laughs in 9950x 😮
Didnt help in games, dont make me laugh. Plenty of reviewers have proven quite the opposite, with 3d v-cache the games run so much faster than without.
This is why you buy amd for cpus
Fake marketing. Along with Intel's perf/efficiency cores.
I'm choosing the 14900k as this AMD bs + the fact the all core frequency is only 5.1ghz.
My Ryzen is not 3D is actually 2D only. Looks like a piece of paper from the sides
I to have an 7950 only difference is that i have an HD 7950 GPU
I have that same shirt
Sucks I’m stuck with my 3 year old original rizen 5 3600 because I upgraded my gpu to a 7900 xtx ;/ either upgrade card or platform
Please for the love of god get a 5800x3D otherwise you're bottlenecking your GPU horribly with your slow cpu
didnt work out well for the 7950x3d
Ahhh. now I understand why the upcoming 7800x3d has lower clocks than the 7700x. Which are the same CPU, one with 3DVCache an one without, it is because it's not a chiplet design, so they can't keep the clocks the same.
I want it ❤