The great thing about XCD gear (traditional or downhill)) is that the equipment is extremely functional and reasonably priced; especially when you look at the cost of alpine skis. "Sock quiver" is an excellent idea!
Yeah. Since both cross country and telemark seem to have a lot of older participants, you can often score deals as folks who are well off eventually retire from the sport.
I’ve got a similar quiver Voiles and Fischers. I’ve however switched over to Xplore for my XCD setups and TTS for my Voile setup. A lot more control on the down than NNN BC and exceptional kick and glide on the new Xplore. Excited to get more time on the Xplore.
@@curtl1694 Sweet. Xplore does indeed seem like a good upgrade from NNN BC, especially for downhill performance. I’ve only seen a couple skis on the secondhand market mounted with Xplore, but they were still beyond my price range for now. I haven’t seen any secondhand Xplore boots yet. I feel like some of the old 3-pin boots were so indestructible that it was bad from a business standpoint because those boots have stayed in secondhand circulation seemingly forever. I’m wondering if boot manufacturers will get wise with Xplore and have a little planned obsolescence built in from the get-go. TTS seems intriguing. I don’t prefer free-pivot on the tour generally because I ski a lot of rolling terrain even on my Voilés. But if I start seeking more direct up-and-down routes as my skiing improves, that’s probably what I’d want to be on.
Unfortunately up here in northern Minnesota used skis that are available are either alpine or nordic track skis. Backcountry skiing is gaining popularity so I'm guessing that will change somewhat. The fam did take a trip to your neck of the woods this past summer (wrong season, lol), but used ski shopping got voted down when deciding what to do. How come i only get one vote?
This is why it’s important for dads to constantly remind their kids that life ain’t fair, and then drive the lesson home by unilaterally making decisions that work in our own favor.
Do you have any recommendations for shops in summit county or maybe the Springs that you have picked up second hand gear from before or is it mainly FB marketplace/craigslist finds?
It depends somewhat on the ski and boot pairing, but I suppose I opt for 3-pins more often. There’s a lot of overlap, but I’d say the bell curve for 3-pin skews further towards the downhill end of things, with a broader range of uses overall thanks to boots. NNN BC skews more towards xc touring, but it can still be great for light downhill turning with a higher-end boot. I’ve never skied a ski that was too much for 3-pins, but I have maxed out my NNN BC before when skiing downhill. Considering the topic of this particular video, I’d say it’s usually cheaper to put together a used 3-pin setup than NNN BC, especially considering the need for a high-end NNN BC boot to really push it beyond xc to xcd. If money isn’t much of a consideration, then the rottefella xplore binding could be the right solution.
@@GoTeleOnTheMountain thanks for the feedback. At the end of this season I bought Salomon 83s, then rottafella NNNBC bindings and a higher end Salomon nnnbc boot (all 50% off). The bindings and boot feel pretty solid and the boot has considerable flex, so hopefully that equates to better turning!
The great thing about XCD gear (traditional or downhill)) is that the equipment is extremely functional and reasonably priced; especially when you look at the cost of alpine skis. "Sock quiver" is an excellent idea!
Yeah. Since both cross country and telemark seem to have a lot of older participants, you can often score deals as folks who are well off eventually retire from the sport.
I’ve got a similar quiver Voiles and Fischers. I’ve however switched over to Xplore for my XCD setups and TTS for my Voile setup. A lot more control on the down than NNN BC and exceptional kick and glide on the new Xplore. Excited to get more time on the Xplore.
@@curtl1694 Sweet. Xplore does indeed seem like a good upgrade from NNN BC, especially for downhill performance. I’ve only seen a couple skis on the secondhand market mounted with Xplore, but they were still beyond my price range for now. I haven’t seen any secondhand Xplore boots yet. I feel like some of the old 3-pin boots were so indestructible that it was bad from a business standpoint because those boots have stayed in secondhand circulation seemingly forever. I’m wondering if boot manufacturers will get wise with Xplore and have a little planned obsolescence built in from the get-go.
TTS seems intriguing. I don’t prefer free-pivot on the tour generally because I ski a lot of rolling terrain even on my Voilés. But if I start seeking more direct up-and-down routes as my skiing improves, that’s probably what I’d want to be on.
Cool if your ever in Laramie, Wy area hit me up this winter for skiing!
Unfortunately up here in northern Minnesota used skis that are available are either alpine or nordic track skis. Backcountry skiing is gaining popularity so I'm guessing that will change somewhat. The fam did take a trip to your neck of the woods this past summer (wrong season, lol), but used ski shopping got voted down when deciding what to do. How come i only get one vote?
This is why it’s important for dads to constantly remind their kids that life ain’t fair, and then drive the lesson home by unilaterally making decisions that work in our own favor.
Do you have any recommendations for shops in summit county or maybe the Springs that you have picked up second hand gear from before or is it mainly FB marketplace/craigslist finds?
Yeah, I’ve lucked out a few times at Recycled Sports in Frisco. Summit County seems to have a good population base for this gear.
You mention turning ability of the NNNBC vs 3-Pin. Which one would you prefer for light downhill turning?
It depends somewhat on the ski and boot pairing, but I suppose I opt for 3-pins more often. There’s a lot of overlap, but I’d say the bell curve for 3-pin skews further towards the downhill end of things, with a broader range of uses overall thanks to boots. NNN BC skews more towards xc touring, but it can still be great for light downhill turning with a higher-end boot. I’ve never skied a ski that was too much for 3-pins, but I have maxed out my NNN BC before when skiing downhill.
Considering the topic of this particular video, I’d say it’s usually cheaper to put together a used 3-pin setup than NNN BC, especially considering the need for a high-end NNN BC boot to really push it beyond xc to xcd. If money isn’t much of a consideration, then the rottefella xplore binding could be the right solution.
@@GoTeleOnTheMountain thanks for the feedback. At the end of this season I bought Salomon 83s, then rottafella NNNBC bindings and a higher end Salomon nnnbc boot (all 50% off). The bindings and boot feel pretty solid and the boot has considerable flex, so hopefully that equates to better turning!
@@andrewhicks6712 Sweet. Seems promising, hope it works out well.