"And here we've found the rare linux youtuber within their natural habitat; outside of their habitat." ... "Shhh, be quite now as we may overhear their musings."
THAT REDDIT IS SHIT, THERE'S A LOT OF TOXIC PEOPLE OVER THERE ! I TRY TO NICELY HELP AND I ONLY RECEIVE WARNINGS ! IT'S BETTER READING THE WIKI THAN READING THOSE TOXIC PEOPLE JUST ASKING FOR THE ERROR AND THEN DOING NOTHING, OR BEING TOXIC, OR BOTH !
@@MrG0CE I understand the reddit is not a good place for support. For most distros reddit shouldent be where you look for support. And, if you can find the fix on the wiki then you shouldent be wasting anyones time by making a post anywhere. All they will be able to do is read the wiki, and link you to that.
I'm a debian user and Im just waiting for some free weekend or Holiday to install arch on my computer. I just hope don't have a bad time installing drivers.
It’s easier for me to reinstall since like dt I use a window manager and have my configs pushed to a git repo so it just requires me to either setup drivers and/or applications depending on what system I use since I have multiple and am good to go. Makes reinstall a lot quicker.
Used to like to tinker when I was younger but over the years as I got into my 50’s at some point I got kind of tired of playing sysadmin every time I broke something. Nowadays I get a Debian install set up the way I like it and leave it alone. Just want to get work done without having to worry about the next update borking my system.
...... and used Debian stable with very old software... Yes it is stable but old... So, if you used testing or unstabble, for fresh software -will broke Debian distribution, after 2-3 months with nonstop updates!
Mint scared me more than Arch/Manjaro after 20+ years on Windows. I won't recommend Mint or other "beginner" distros to anyone who wants to change Win on Linux. To feel free on minimal versions there's enough not to scare to use windows' Terminal or Powershell time to time ("cd" "mkdir" work on Win the same way ...mostly).
@@DenisTrebushnikov really?? Mint was my first distro switching from windows and is still my all-time fave. Simple setup, easy to use, powerful workhorse, what’s not to love?
@@saramaeks9826 really, in spite of I setuped my manjaro xfce trice for a month, and I still know less that I want, but I like it, really... maybe I love to learn, and I like hardcore to learn faster and better. All I need is in Manjaro (steam, welcome; notepadqq, welcome; openoffice for .docx docs, welcome... cataclysm dda, welcome, all for daily coding) headphones plugs... just plug them (I had in Manjaro KDE this trouble). I still like it more than Mint. I do almost 90% of that I usually do in win pc (of 32 ram and 2060Super for 3D graphics).
I always tell new users to stay away from Debian-based distros. I've had nothing but trouble, and it gets worse the closer to Debian you get. It's fundamentally flawed for end users, and no amount of paint and glitter is going to fix it. Debian is flat out no good for end users. Its package management sucks, and it's generally a nightmare to work with if you need any amount of software support. Most of Linux has a "take what you need" approach. Debian is "you'll take what we tell you to" unless you're fine with troubleshooting a broken system. After leaving Debian-based distros behind, I haven't had a single instance where I've had to scour the internet for dependencies because they're not included in the repo alongside the package I want to install. (Happened on Linux Lite, Pop!_OS, Ubuntu, and Debian) I've also not had an instance where doing literally nothing except installing the graphics driver black-screened my system on reboot. (vanilla Debian, roughly 50% of the dozen or so times I tried getting a working desktop out of it.) Garuda Linux is by far the most user friendly distro I've ever used. Fedora is up there too. Even Void Linux and Artix are more user friendly than a buggy Debian system.
You're absolutely right with everything you say! I started out with SuSE and Redhat and switched over to Ubuntu about 18 years ago. But now I'm a Manjaro user on all my computers, even on my wife's laptop I installed Manjaro, because the Arch way is the better way. But I mean, I have a life! I don't want to spend hours and hours with configuring my computers, they need to work out of the box, and that's what Manjaro provides, compared to bare Arch. But I totally agree, that Rolling Release is the model of the future. I actually love it so much. When I used Ubuntu, I always had to do a dist-upgrade which sometimes ended up in a complete mess or I had to perform a clean install which is horrible. So yeah, Manjaro for the desktop, maybe also Garuda or the other Arch based distros. Because of those projects, the Arch way is accessible by "normal users" rather than only "power users", which is great! However, to new people, I still recommend Ubuntu or Mint or PopOS, because it might be easier for them to understand and deal with.
kinda opposite for me. started with fedora october 2019, distrohopped occasionally but used mostly fedora, used debian a bit, ubuntu a bit (including ubuntu based like mint etc), arch for a really short time then void (i don't actually remember what i used right before void) and then again on arch recently. i really like void's stable rolling release concept but i'm tired of runit, i couldn't get it to work properly on my recent minimal reinstall. plus they lack some good docs and i think appreciate systemd, sorry :D i have many other reasons to use arch, big community, wiki, aur... it's good
Haha he can't help himself :p You know, I understand and do appreciate his zeal for free software, I even share in it, but eventhough I want nothing more than for free software to grow as a movement and become the norm, I just *have to disagree* with his systematic labeling of proprietary software as "garbage". There are many pieces of proprietary software out there that are also just *great software,* and simply because a program is under a proprietary license doesn't make it lesser in terms of functionality, innovation, performance, design, accessibility, user interface, or any of the countless other metrics that a piece of software *must also be judged on,* beside it's license. It most definitely would be great and preferable if they were free and open source, but summarily dismissing them as "garbage" without any further consideration just because the *developers or corporations* behind them don't want to share them is very unfair: the software might be just fine, *it's the people* who don't want to make it open, the fault is not on the inanimate piece of software but *on the people who chose* to restrict the users' liberties. If anything, a software's license is one of the things that has the least to do with it's quality, and more to do with *the values of the people who made it.* It's also very shortsighted in my opinion: I believe that people deserve free and open software because I believe it is their right, but I also believe that *people deserve great software,* be it free or proprietary. This, that people deserve great software, along with the fact that "free" also means free to acquire and use proprietary software, is what I believe is the reason Arch includes proprietary software in its official repositories: because not including it would make it harder for users to use and acquire it, whereas they should be free to do so and should have the moral discernment to chose for themselves what software they want. [1] Nevermind the fact that you never hear people boycot *video-games* on the ground that they are proprietary, yet outside of the very few open-source games out there, they are almost exclusively proprietary software (even indie games). People most certainly do get pissed at and protest certain video-games for many reasons, but their license is just *never* one of them (that I know of, of course, but I challenge anyone to come up with a counter-example). I know that Derek isn't much of a gamer himself, but if you're gonna indiscriminately call proprietary software "garbage", then I would expect you to take that same hostile position towards video-games, otherwise I believe there's a glaring contradiction in your stance that needs to be addressed, especially if you play video-games regularily or consider yourself a gamer. Oh well, I guess that whole charade kinda falls into the same category as the whole "separating the art from the artist" rigamarole. You can absolutely recognise a piece of software or art on its own merits, but still reject it because by doing so you would reject it's author who you dissagree with. It's a valid stance in my opinion, so long as you're able to judge the work *on its own qualities,* independently of the people who made it. Maybe the way he wields his adage "proprietary garbage" like a hammer is sometimes meant to sensationalise his defense of free software, showing his dedication to one by contrasting it with hyperbolised disdain at the other, but still I simply feel like this is a grace that DT is rarely willing to accord proprietary software. [1] On the flip side, a distro excluding proprietary software from their repos would most likely be motivated by a desire to encourage people to wholly embrace free software, I'm not saying that it can only be because such a distro wants to restrict the users' freedoms, naturally. The same decision can be driven by different motives, and the same motives can lead to different or even opposite decisions.
I'm an NYC Transit Fan. I can tell you a great deal about the NYC Subway, its history, stations, transit cars, and the lines built, lines proposed, and parts removed. I can point out the architectural details of many stations, their relationship to the history of the subways, and the many changes over time. On my shelves I have a collection of history books concerning the subways, collections of maps, and other information. I am one of those folks that when taking a subway trip - a good part of the enjoyment is simply being on the train. I consider myself to be "transit fan." Now there are other folks - plenty of folks that simply use the subways to get from point A to point B. They could not care less about the particular subway car they use, or the history of their station, or other "cool" stuff. They just want to know when the next damn train will arrive because they have to get to work. On some transit forums, other transit fans will refer to such folks as "sheep" or "geese" because these folks are simply not interested in all of the "cool" features of the subways or of transit in general. I take a different stance - those everyday folks who simply want to get from point A to point B allow the "whole transit system" to exist. In a similar vein why would an airplane pilot ever say anything bad about the flyers who take trips on his or her airline? Yes, there are folks - even computer using folks that want to tinker with, and get under the hood of their devices, and others who simply want to use the devices to get actual work done. Not everyone wants to or could build their own cars, plenty of folks simply want to use the device to get someplace. I've only started with Linux about two months ago, on two computers. I can not tell you what "system D" is all about, or what a "window manager" does, or what a snap-pak is, or a whole host of system's features. I know that spending four days trying to set and get the proper screen resolution for a new monitor that you've just bought to use on your Linux system with various web page suggestions on an assortment of 4-6 different terminal commands - that don't work!! - is way beyond my frustration level. So wiping away that previous Linux distribution and installing a Linux distribution like Ubuntu THAT JUST PLAIN DAMN IT WORKS INSTANTLY is not something to criticize or put down. So please do not put down us "Linux Sheep!" I'd just rather spend my remaining time on this Earth with the stuff that I enjoy.
Exactly where I am. I first turned on a computer in 1979 -- before the birth of most people who will probably read this comment. I've used virtually every desktop OS you can dig up in an internet search. Well, except for Temple OS -- I'm saving that for a special day. Mainframe computing? Ditto. I've coded everything under the sun. Today? My computer is a toaster. I put bread in, I get bread out. I have no interest in switching distros every third day. Ubuntu works. I boot my PC and I create documents, edit videos, do whatever normal people do and I'm happy. I don't have the time anymore to trouble shoot stuff. My time is better spent creating things or enjoying life. I'm with GNU/Linux because I agree with the libre software ethos because it speaks to my early days with computers but at the end of the day a computer is a toaster -- as long as it toasts bread, I don't care.
@@douglasward718 I just remembered something.. You might be right, maybe it's Werner on a early pre-shave Sunday morning.. The other dude was born in Austria if im not mistaken 😉
The way I think when Arch says it's "simple" it's like when you go to a buffet restaurant, they don't give your food fully served on a plate, they give you an empty plate and you decide what to put in it!
Thank you for taking the time to make such videos... I've been a windows user my entire life, but now that I'm becoming more concerned about privacy, I'm slowly making the shift to Linux. Right now I'm following your Arch install guide with a VM, and I really appreciate the free knowledge. I do have to say that as a Linux newbie, it can get very overwhelming, but learning is fun!
Ubuntu is South African surveillance on the masses. Don't expect any "privacy" out of anything Canonical will give you. Be smart not stupid. Those buzzwords and "feeling good" posts amount to a hill of beans.
I don't think I'll ever move to arch, I like debian too much. Assuming you use the expert install mode, you have complete configurability, stability, and a true 100% FOSS system.
@@akshatvats7992 I like how dead simple apt is. One example is you're expected to manually edit sources.list in order to upgrade to the next debian release, or any other configuration like that. I'm not sure how you're expected to configure pacman, if it's just a sources file or something more complex.
@@LloydLynx A file /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist. You don't need to manually edit it (though you can, just go to Arch's website and generate a bunch of mirrors), you can use a tool called reflector. But in the last 4-5 months, I haven't had the need to edit it once.
That was a very polite and well mannered discussion of why you think your distro is better. I applaud your gentle approach and describing this stuff, the Linux community could use more of that.
It takes some balls to keep moving with FOSS. We are an inspiration for the next gen. I feel proud using FOSS, earlier I switched to Ubuntu because my hardware was sluggish for windows use but now after a year my perspective has changed. Using FOSS gives me confidence, substance.
I think the greatest strength of Arch Linux is the distro itself doesn't try to compete with anyone or force anything to the user or following any other distro. It just shows to the world how an open source software project should be.
It's hilarious that as time goes on and more systems surface making Arch approachable the more the migration to Arch based Linux gains traction. Faster updates, AUR and very recent, active driver support entices gamers and content creators.
I don't use Arch but I found their Wiki database extremely useful for gaining in depth understanding of some operations like the boot process. It helped me figure out how to manually shift some files around in the boot process in order for Mint/Manjaro dual boot to work, and to be able to fix it when it stops working.
The ultimate evolution of modularity is, IMO, rolling releases. They make perfect sense to me as a Kubernetes engineer who works with CI/CD pipelines a lot. You update every part of your infrastructure regularly in its own individual chunks. That way, if one thing breaks, the rest of it probably doesn't.
Artix is nice. Simple. Minimal. And not systemd based. Now has rsm in the repo, and i3 iso has been in testing for a while. Been playing with it in a VM. Think it’s gonna come down to Artix or Void for my next install.
That hoodie is like a VPN. When I saw this video last year, at first glance I had no idea it was you. Thanks for all of the great content, the world is at least a little bit better by you being in it.
There's really always something to learn. Recently, quite trivial, I find myself thinking of building my own terminal color scheme. Also planning to transform that into a Doom Emacs theme, once done. Ubuntu is nice for a start, but indeed, Arch is a breeze to maintain as compared to something like Ubuntu. Up to so far, I never regretted heading towards Arch. Ultimately, I might end up with Gentoo though.
I ended up leaving Linux during the great systemd conversion and I truthfully can't find myself really wanting to get into any distro as my main outside of Gentoo... There's really something to be said for ultimate customizability.
My case was the following: 1.- Mandrake. 2.- Debian. 3.- Arch Linux > Parabola GNU/Linux-libre. Only I touched Ubuntu on VM, but no in my real hardware.
Ohh yes, Mandaka - such a crap really. It was actually one of the worse distros that had been there. Still wonder from where it's popularity came from. For me it was: Mandrake -> Debian (couple of trials) -> Slackware -> Ubuntu -> Arch (& Gentoo)
It's funny but, troubleshooting in Arch I find easier than in more "user friendly" distros. Because Arch doesn't really "build abstractions" on top of packages, that basically means that an error is either "user error" or an "upstream bug". If the error is happening at those "distro abstractions" levels, it's usually really hard to troubleshoot, and it often involves waiting for the distro developer to actually fix it. Other than that, the Arch Wiki is just too good. I use the Arch wiki even when I'm using other distros, and the info there is very often enough to solve the problem I'm having.
I was previously using CrunchBang/BunsenLabs (Debian based distro). One of the most frequent arguments I heard from other Debian users against Arch was something to the tune of “rolling releases can break your system,” yet _pacman_ is probably the smoothest package manager I've used and have found so much easier than _apt_ to fix dependency conflicts.
@digitalcro digital 1. Could you elaborate on what you dislike about DT's Arch-coverage :-) ? 2. Which flavor of BSD ? FreeBSD ? And what exactly is superior about it?
@digitalcro digital I dont play video games... I use Arch with awesome wm , I use it for programming and my other hobbies such as htb. I definitely don't have an expensive High end gaming rig. I still have an i7 4790k and rx 570 4gb... Mid tier at best. I love the functionality and productivity I get from my system now... my mouse is rarely used. I use keyboard 95% of the time. I just have a soft spot for Arch... I used to use vscode , never had any reason to even think about an editor... well, since I found Arch ---> Awesome wm -----> Vim... and Vim just blew my mind. 👌
@@Konnecta-kb9gg you wont believe, my story is the same with few differences, I didn't had a computer or laptop till last year sept when I brought a laptop, saw videos of luke installed ubuntu after that install was successful I went directly to arch didn't even check things in ubuntu, i just want to chexk if linux will install and it did so i watched tutorials of *ef made simple* and installed arch
If I get a raspberry pi, I'll definitely try arch, but Ubuntu is is still my production box distribution. However I do understand your take about users vs. tinkerers. In my day job, about 20 years ago, I administered a 60 node Sun Systems network. That lasted about 14 years. Sun was more like Apple, in that it was a closed architecture. Everything just worked out of the box, with some configuration. That's how I got interested in Linux at home. Ultimately, Ubuntu is a similar feel, for me.
funny thing, I've never touched Ubuntu.... Started behind Unix and then 18 years ago started using Debian, still have not touched Ubuntu, should add to todo list. Out of Linux distros my favourite is Void
Texas isn't setup for snow, but you're right that some of the hysteria is overblown. Similar articles when New York got close to reaching 100 degree: www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/nyregion/heat-wave-nyc.html 100 degree weekend? Thats just called summer time. Edit: found a Dallas article from the same 2019 summer as the New York article. www.dallasnews.com/news/weather/2019/07/30/dallas-fort-worth-hits-100-degrees-for-the-first-time-this-year/
I came into Linux right from the deep: first Linux distro I ever saw running, and then installed on my machine was Slackware. That was back in 1998. Been with it ever since. Once you master Slackware, or Arch or Gentoo, these distros are exceedingly user friendly. That's because they are simple by design.
Arch is like an accomplishment, like a trophy. I never had that problem, I just grab any distro that works. For straight 20 years, I haven't had need to move from Debian/Ubuntu base. I need it superstable and can't afford any additional configuration. And that's all OK, for those who love to tinker, Linux has products. Since Ubuntu Mate was released, I never looked elsewhere. Why, it just works. I did try Manjaro earlier, it broke in the key moment so I never looked at it again. I say, we all have our cup if tea. All Linux is niche product, no point in saying this or that is better. If I used a PC as a home entertainment center, I'd have time to tinker. But I work in time related work so superstable is the only niche I need. 😉
I don't know how you do it. I swore off Debian-based distros entirely after a few years worth of headaches and distro hopping. Debian almost made me quit Linux entirely. Literally every other distro I've tried is more user friendly, once you get it installed. Debian sucks whenever you want to do ANYTHING.
Ubuntu has the advantage of having pre-compiled weird and rare packages which may fail to compile on AUR. However rolling releases get more mainstream as install and config scripts get better.
I've always been a windows 10/ MacOS BigSur kinda guy, and thanks to virtualization I finally decided to give Linux a try. My first install was Ubuntu 22.04LTS. Tried that for a while. It was cool. Then I jumped over to Pop-OS, Debian, Kinetic-Kudu, then finally installed and settled on Arch-Linux. It looks so much better, and feels more natural for me to use. Arch-Linux is officially my Linux home for the time being.
I tried using the latest and greatest with Fedora and Arch Linux (mind that was a couple of years ago). I ran into problems where ZFS and VirtualBox couldn't compile anymore because of dependencies and/or a to new kernel... Using Ubuntu LTS XFCE for years and I am totally fine with using snaps and removing all packages I won't need, I just want to get things done in the end...
I started using Linux 10 years ago, started with Ubuntu. and right away, got into learn things. ps, grep, nmap, nc, etc... And eventually tried arch linux(back when ncurses install), and was great. I trully learned very much about linux, the daemons, the user interfaces, x.org. fluxbox, openbox, soo many. Ran it for a year, and trully learned. but i had to keep up with updates, the news, because some updates, have to use --force to continue and such. Eventually yeah, i had to maintain. Went to AntiX, because fluxbox by default, stable, and fast (but no systemd). Currently MXLinux, it's a nice mix around Stable(some old packages), and MX Repos, with up-stream packages + debian backports. Currently looking to try on my laptop, rolling distros (Arch, Manjaro, OpenSuse?) and keep to try around the updates. Mess with other distros. But debian/ubuntu used for servers, like to continue to use as desktop, to try stuff.
I haven't used ubuntu in a long time, but when I did, I used the ubuntu mini iso. I found it to be comparable to arch base, and a good option for people who want to build up their system slowly from a minimal foundation. Ubuntu is as configurable as any other distro.
An analysis I adhere entirely to. The white blanket inspires you DT. Got hooked into Arch by Google pushing the awesome Arch Wiki to my face whenever I researched a topic. A few years on Arch then on to Manjaro which adds just the grain of salt I need to ease sysadmin while ensuring freedom of choices.
@@Dobrouh Well, debian based distros (i prefer debian, btw), dont know why, are the only ones that can deal with the undervolt and other energy settings that i apply to my laptop. Arch based tend to freeze or reboot on load, altought Manjaro is the only one that kind of deal with all that i said, but with the cost of some kind of corruption in many ways like fonts or things like that :/
@@Ray045x that is interesting, I've never had to mess around with any undervolt/other energy settings like that. I wonder why Debian is able to handle it appropriately
I started with Ubuntu 12.04LTS but didn't like the Unity desktop. Gave Mint a try, Point Linux, Manjaro, gave Arch a try and lots of other Distros I can't even remember. Now that MX has the KDE desktop I've moved back to it and I'm pretty happy with it. I just want something that'll work well so I can get work done with a desktop that I can tweak so it'll look nice.
I skipped Arch and went straight to Gentoo. I always wanted to say that. I installed my first Linux in the mid 90ies. It was SUSE. I'm German, after all. I tried many distributions, but somehow never Arch. I really like Gentoo. And Solus.
@@JosueRodriguez08 I love it; not wasting space for unnecessary utilities in packages and configuring my kernel for only the hardware I have and use is not only more efficient than just getting a binary with everything included, but also helps me know my system way better and makes it easy to find a problem with a package. Also, compiling is super fast on modern systems and the 10-15 seconds that are "wasted" over just downloading a binary are well worth it for all the advantages it gives me
@@ahmedabadabdallah927 Great response! He also doesn't understand that when you build a very customised and optimised operating system like Gentoo, you do not need the very latest hardware to use with it. For someone like me, that means that the only new hardware I ever buy are storage devices, everything else I buy is generally used, a few years old, and therefore much cheaper than new hardware. That also means I can have multiple devices of everything I own, so when one is compiling Gentoo, I can use the other one. Therefore compilation is not an issue for me - but he doesn't understand that because all he understands is the stupid Gentoo meme.
If you're gonna be honest in summary, it's not just about customization and "freedom," it's about not wanting bondage & discipline. (Anyone installing Ubuntu is free to rek it, but must first release their computer from the B&D.) Loved how you wrapped up though! The community paradigm versus corporate paradigm is the interesting thing. Even if the community paradigm fails, I'll go down to the end fighting for it.
"... it's not gonna customized or themed unless you do it." Well it is customized and themed! The customisation and themes just are Not changed by Arch developers! And this is a good thing in most cases imo. But in any case, that does not mean you have to put more work into it. You just have different defaults compared to other distributions. With Arch Linux you get the default defaults by default! :)
My Linux way was different. I started with Mint (also tried out Debian and Slackware), then hopped to Fedora, then switched to Antergos, stayed there a long time and finally (before Antergos went down!) went back to Mint.
Thanks for summing up my thoughts exactly. I'm practically speedrunning the Debian to Arch transition. I moved from Linux Mint to ArcoLinux without a lot of goading or provocation. A lot of it was for the same reasons you listed, before I even saw this video. Mint is extremely tightly integrated and you can't get a good feel for the seperate parts of the system. Arch-based distros do a much better job of letting you take the system apart so you can see how it works. It's all fascinating. Reminds you of how malleable computers really are.
Define “more advanced.” I write code that does serious number crunching and signal processing. A famous professor who’s an expert on the subject at a famous university says he’s never seen some of what I’ve done, and he said some of my results are “amazing.’ This code will compile on almost any 64-bit operating system. I don’t care about desktops, or configurability, or even operating systems. To me, those things are boring. I have different interests. I run Windows and Ubuntu Linux. Windows supported CUDA before Linux did. I like developing on Linux for other reasons. My code will run on both. If Arch eventually does something I care about that Ubuntu doesn’t do, I’ll switch to Arch; otherwise, there’s no reason to do that.
CUDA's great, but you run the risk of "vendor lock-in". I've been using CUDA for about 5 years, but am now moving to other tools that are GPU agnostic (and open source). This is the same reason why I do happen to care about operating systems. It may not always been the most "convenient" path to take, and sometimes the "vendor lock-in" argument may seem moot, but I prefer the freedom and long-term flexibility of FOSS.
Wow you really took it personally! So you are not an advanced Linux user then. You may be an advanced coder or academic, but you freely admit you’re not an advanced user. That’s ok to admit, you don’t have to be the smartest person in the room on every subject
A whole international community from Brazil to Berlin does heavy C/C++ DSP code and VST/AU/Ladspa/AAX plugin development using both native and cross compiling SDKs. Whatever you are saying can be put aside as exuberance not gains. You are also failing to observe that the very same community I mention above are first class musicians and artists as well, so being adept with technology and tinkering is their modus operandi including hardware hacking, circuit bending, GUI and UX designing, controllers development, synthesis algorithms and so on. Added to that performance routines, algorithmic music composition and performance , extensive use of tools like Matlab, Supercollider, CSound etc. Not to mention folks in cyber security and malware research who are literally working with assembly code and a debugger in user mode and kernel mode day in day out. Common theme, they all use the OS features and relentlessly keep learning while getting it to do the things they want it to. That my friend is serious tinkering, all the while creating a legacy in the process and a valuable community. You have much to learn.
@@pcrsweetness I can put you in a really good headlock, but you probably wouldn't like it as you pretty much admit not liking headlocks. That's ok I can do it anyway, you don't always have to like everything you do in life.
I started back on SuSe 6.0... Only ever touched Ubuntu 18.01 and was appalled how badly it ran, unbelievably bloated... Tried to set up Arch on that machine and failed miserably, then started practising in a VM with a 100% success rate... I really like it, so stable, pacman is easily the best package manage out there and the AUR... I shouldn´t even get started on how great the AUR is...
Appreciate what you're saying, but being a 66 year old, Don't know if I could absorb command line 'stuff' again. DOS back in the day was cool and I loved what I could do with it. Now all I am looking for is something to replace windows cause I'm not going to 10, and 7 is slowly being forced out. Good points though--good vid, Thanks
I agree with you about Arch's / arch-based OPs popularity growing. But Ubuntu's popularity declined mostly because of the bad decisions Canonical took in the past. It's still, and by far, the most used Linux Desktop OS in the world, and still will be for a long time. It's Chris Titus who always says that "Ubuntu is the devil" :-) but let's be honest. At least 95% of us began with Ubuntu. When I made the switch, I began with Ubuntu 7.10 and sticked with it 'til 9.04 I guess, that's when I felt myself ready to jump to Arch. I then sicked with Arch 2 years before going to Gentoo Linux. I loved Gentoo so much! I got it on my PC 8 years straight. I had to stop it because meanwhile I became a super proud dad and didn't want to waste time with the updates and configs. And as everybody knows, Gentoo is very time consuming. When the kid goes to bed, I don't want to spend my evening maintaining de PC before going to bed. So I installed Fedora 30. Now on F33 and pretty happy. I tried KDE and actualy, Plasma is great but 5.20 is a disaster on Fedora so I switched back to Xfce. And that's what Linux is all about: you have the choice ;-) Nice house by the way lol
Straight up Vanilla Debian is another good way to go, you can setup Debian to be basically a rolling release. That;s all I use anymore,, Debian and Arch. Enjoy your vids DT.
@linus femboy tips I haven't tried Arch yet (I'm still in ubuntu/pop_os phase) but I feel you, I'm never buying nvidia ever again unless they open source their drivers, it's just too much headache.
I started off tinkering around with Ubuntu, then Linux Mint, then installed Red Hat for a long time. Then I went with Arch for ages, and did some testing with Manjaro (and Garuda more recently) on the side. Now I am on Artix and am sticking to it for the forseeable future. Really like OpenRC honestly.
Rolling releases are perhaps nice for home use, and for those with newer hardware. Stable feature complete LTS releases are the only way to guarantee compatibility for software and hardware vendors. It's also nice to not worry about an update. With LTS release you know your stuff will work next week, like it worked today. That's very useful if you do actual work with your computer. If everything is a moving target, you can never learn anything well. And mostly people evolve from slackware/arch to debian/ubuntu, and not the other way around. They've learned enough, they compiled their kernels, they've riced their desktop, been there, done that. But now it is time to do some real work. And then you are better of with an LTS release like debian/mint/ubuntu. With the few exceptions of people that work in a niche where they can get away with working with their own toolsets.
For less than $300 a person can easily get a quad core/hyperthreaded 2.5Ghz-3.1Ghz cpu with 6MB cache , supports 32GB of RAM and various other good stuff , I so often hear of linux users only using hardware that is like 10 years old , and why ? then complain if a distro uses 4GB Ram ....it is always good to have a few devices and can be sure there is always a backup puter that is availble
@@mrdenpes1309 When a person is willing to have more than one PC , as in several it is always better because that way you can have the stable LTS undisturbed daily driver that works so there is no worry about updates and all will work as expected , then using other devices you can have the rolling releases , the devices that you can experiment with , and explore with without the worry of causing any disruption to the machine that just works …..using the term ‘daily driver’ as in with cars , a daily driver is the car that is used for reliable needs , and the project car is the one that will be , the toy to play with , to customize and it not prevent you from the daily commuting that needs to be done I see ppl often complain about problems with dual booting , when you have multiple devices there is no need to dual boot and thus no issues with that , having other machines to run other distros on means you can learn on them without be worried it will mess up the daily driver …… Depending on the needs of your daily life , if you have only one car and it breaks down , you wish you had another while it is is the repair shop Good performing hardware is relatively cheap these days , ....
I switched to Ubuntu this year and loved it (wished I knew about it 10 years ago). Find myself in the terminal alot, something I'd never do on windows. I've been seeing a lot of buzz around Arch and this video made so much sense, I discovered the world of window managers and wanted to install i3 or dwm and it just wasn't working on Ubuntu. My roadmap is Ubuntu > Linux Mint > Manjaro > Arch > Gentoo
I moved to fedora after using Arch. It works and gets out of my way when I need it, and its open to customization, modding, and learning when I want to. Also I have found the packages in fedora to be packaged better.
Fedora, Arch, and the Ubuntu. While I can usually solve things on my own, I use computers to make money. For better or worse, Ubuntu (for me) wins out on stability. I usually have some update issue 4-5 weeks after install then boom, something happened to the Arch install.
I started arch using arch because a few months ago I can't install chromium from apt so I wanted to install debian but then I couldn't get debian installed so I tried arch and never left
I started using linux in 2007. I've used Red Hat (pre-Fedora), Slackware, SUSE, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, yadda-yadda. I've been using Linux Mint MATE for the last 4 years. Don't even have to reinstall, just upgrade. Peaceful. Quiet. Nice.
I am a tinkerer at heart Starting with Red Hat Linux 5.2 As a dual boot about 23 years ago and ditching Microsoft after a system failure and pulling all the windows files off the system via the Linux installation I then migrated to Ubuntu then Mint and then to Manjaro and currently Arch My partner is however someone who wants something that "just works" so I have installed a Linux Mint system there.
I'm transitioning from heavily customized ubuntu to arch rn. I got arch to work on a side computer to see all the potential issues and I'll probably have arch on my main machine soon :) Pd: i can totally feel what you say about the pieces in ubuntu being frustrating to take apart
I use both Ubuntu and Arch. I keep an Ubuntu 20.04 LTS pc for stability purposes, and I use Arch for experimenting and having a customizable experience.
when you successfully run Arch on a server we'll talk... Arch is okay for nerdiez that like to tinker with their machine as you said. I had Manjaro installed on my production machine and one year later an update was fatal and broke my install. So yeah, when you need a stable environment for 2-5 years then a static release is the best choice and Arch can simply not do it :)
I've been running Arch on all of my servers for 6 years, both as a host and for almost all of my VMs (the exception is my freeipa server, which doesn't run on arch last I checked, so it's centos). While most of my VMs have been rebuilt several times over the years for one reason or another, the host hadn't been rebuilt a single time. I finally retired my older host a few weeks ago after the power supply died and forced me to finally take the time to actually transition to newer servers I built earlier this year. As for Manjaro - it's problem is that it uses separate repositories that are often weeks behind the Arch repository and frequently has individual packages that are held back even longer for no reason. This breaks not only AUR compatibility, but often also official package compatibility. It is easily the worst major Arch-based distro.
For me, Arch is like the C programming language: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) It's not too low level (making your life incredible difficult), 2) its not too high level (abstracting so many stuff making it really hard to control and customize anything) but it is a perfect balance between those two. Plus it has a really big community and one of the best Wikis out there! Eventually every Linux user want to dive deeper, understand what's under the hood and be able to complete control the system. I've yet to see a distro doing this better than Arch providing a good balance between extremely hard and too easy.
I absolutely Derek. Evolving to Arch or Arch based Distros is I think a natural occurrence when your on Linux long enough. As you may remember my primary driver is currently Manjaro 20.02 KDE. I do however have Kubuntu 20.04 on my mini workstation. The reason being I wish to still stay familiar with Ubuntu based systems for the purpose of installation, maintaining, or service PC's of those I have migrated to Linux whom may not wish to or be able to understand Arch. I myself am still learning it even though I've been on it since last summer. The stigma is fading about how Arch is more "apt" to break eventually because it's rolling, well not so much these days. And yes, "apt" was a play on words...... LOL
The only thing that bugs me is people who use people as their search engines in Reddit/wherever instead of using their brains. No one will ever know the stupid questions I only needed to ask myself. lol
The problem is that today there are sooo many options, not only in term of distros but also DE/windows manager, programming languages, frameworks, libraries etc. Newcomers can't test everything and are afraid to do the "wrong choice" and stackoverflow/reddit people end up basically controlling their mind
Ubuntu - I got a new house. It's made of particle board and failed inspection but it's new right???? Debian - I'm buying a fixer upper and trying to do some DIY renovations. Arch - I know what I'm doing. I'm going to design my house and get the supplies and hire some contractors and build it my way from scratch. Gentoo - Oh yeah? I'm going to cut down my own trees and build my house from source. LFS - Ohhhh yeah? I'm going to plant my own trees and eventually I'll have a house.
I think why Ubuntu is hard to "reverse engineer" if you will, is because we don't have to put a Ubuntu system together from scratch. With arch, you understand what went into creating the environment you are using because you built it. Therefore, it is much easier to remove components of your install and swap them out for alternatives. I like building up an aesthetic Arch system, it is the perfect amount of challenge. I'm not ready for gentoo or anything like that. Maybe once I can install Arch without any guides I will be ready to try something more complicated. I'll add: My first experience with Linux was installing Ubuntu alongside Windows through Wubi. It was so easy, I learned nothing. I was very shocked when I deleted the Windows partition and my system broke because it was depending on NTLDR as a bootloader.
I like Fedora. Everything is really new; updates nearly daily; no weird customization telling me what I should or shouldn't have; and I can trust that it isn't gonna do anything stupid out of nowhere.
I used linux for over 20 years, on the desktop for the first 10, starting with slackware, then moving to debian and finally gentoo. Almost 10 years ago or so I just didn't wind up getting around to reinstalling it, I always dual booted windows for games. Though I've used linux constantly for servers both personally and professionally the whole time however. I really hate windows on the desktop honestly, in particular the lack of window grabbing is just painful to live without. Anyway for the last 10 years or so I've used Ubuntu for most of my servers. I never really liked it much, for servers I wanted something that was simple to maintain, well known, etc. Tried RHEL/Centos several times but their packages were always way too out of date causing me to start compiling shit outside of the package manager. Same with debian stable. Ubuntu was sort of the default after that. But recently I got genuinely pissed off at Ubuntu, found out that this snaps nonsense is ubuntu-only and semi proprietary, but then also got wound up in systemd complications and shit regarding some systemd caching dns server (wtf does systemd have a dns server?). Switched to Alpine on all my servers, it's fantastic. Installed Arch on my desktop, so I'm relearning some of that, doesn't seem like much has happened in the last 10 years though, new window managers, same shitty nvidia blob driver and xwindows limitations. Pretty sure I encountered this way back then but I have 3 screens, one runs at 144hz, it looks like xwindows as a whole doesn't support per screen hz under xinerama, so all 3 screens are locked down to 60hz instead of the one main screen running at 144... This new Wayland thing apparently does support it, but nvidia doesn't support wayland... yay. Maybe time to just build a separate computer with an amd card.
Is growing a goatee, wearing a hoodie, and talking about life while wandering your land the final form of all Arch Linux users?
Yes. That's Nirvana for Arch Linux users.
And now I'm sitting here, realising I'm bold, have a beard, wearing a hoodie and using arch.
can confirm
Haha good one!
Well, not fighting windows all the time gives us more time for sure, a little outside time doesn't hurt
The thing that's most commonly found within linux youtubers is that they film themselves talking about stuff outside their home.
If they make and publish Linux videos as their main job, most likely they don't have a home
cuz fresh air is the best open-source project and we should at least sometimes appreciate it :D
"And here we've found the rare linux youtuber within their natural habitat; outside of their habitat."
...
"Shhh, be quite now as we may overhear their musings."
As opposed to inside the spare bedroom in their parents' house talking about the Windows 10 running on their mum's computer, do you mean?
😂😂
Lol seems like Luke's voice changed a bit
I came down to the comments just to make a Luke comment, you've beaten me to it.
sure does..
knew someone would say this lmao
@@techtiger2558 same, as this video sure did remind me of Luke, so much so that I had to double check the channel name, LOL. ;-)
Yeah, and there's a slight discoloring under his eyes, he should take it easy!
I’d like to point out that the arch subreddit is now bigger than Ubuntu’s.
@@stevefiete it doesent matter, or show the quality of the distro. Though it is a good metric of popularity.
THAT REDDIT IS SHIT, THERE'S A LOT OF TOXIC PEOPLE OVER THERE ! I TRY TO NICELY HELP AND I ONLY RECEIVE WARNINGS !
IT'S BETTER READING THE WIKI THAN READING THOSE TOXIC PEOPLE JUST ASKING FOR THE ERROR AND THEN DOING NOTHING, OR BEING TOXIC, OR BOTH !
Noooo
@@MrG0CE copy pasta?
@@MrG0CE I understand the reddit is not a good place for support. For most distros reddit shouldent be where you look for support. And, if you can find the fix on the wiki then you shouldent be wasting anyones time by making a post anywhere. All they will be able to do is read the wiki, and link you to that.
"You'll install it once and customize it once" - That's the biggest lie
Nah. It's true for some people.
@@ArunG273 the key word is "some"
@@etaxalo hey, nothing is 100%, it's always some :D
100% can't stop playing with customization
And some install it many times ...
I'm pretty sure emacs has a shortcut to control the weather.
M-x butterfly
M-x org-mode; * TODO Sunny Day; C-c C-c
@@aehjr1 Ah, yes xkcd :)
Vim : "PlugInstall weather.git" and then press one key. Which one? I don't remember
@@aehjr1 Space magnetised-needle steady-hand
There goes my vampire theory …
Twilight vampire?
Hood. He is powerful enough to handle a bit, but he cannot handle the full blast.
Daywalker!
Using sunscreen
Mom: we already have Luke Smith at home.
Luke Smith at home:
Hair is bloat.
look son he can walk
Stop:
Making comments
That:
Look like this.
You:
Stupid NPC.
@@yt-xe8ws Amen:
When you're not funny and are jealous of someone who is: @@yt-xe8ws
As an experienced Debian user I recently gave Arch a try. Actually installation and setup was fairly easy and straightforward.
Arch install isn't hard
it's just the setup afterwards that is much more time consuming
Especially when you have a distribution tube or toot to help out.
I'm a debian user and Im just waiting for some free weekend or Holiday to install arch on my computer. I just hope don't have a bad time installing drivers.
It’s easier for me to reinstall since like dt I use a window manager and have my configs pushed to a git repo so it just requires me to either setup drivers and/or applications depending on what system I use since I have multiple and am good to go. Makes reinstall a lot quicker.
@@warhawk_yt yeah, bothering with DEs makes things much harder
Used to like to tinker when I was younger but over the years as I got into my 50’s at some point I got kind of tired of playing sysadmin every time I broke something. Nowadays I get a Debian install set up the way I like it and leave it alone. Just want to get work done without having to worry about the next update borking my system.
I wouldn't mind borking for the bleeding edge if I could re-install with 95% of what I want within ~10 minutes. Arch based distros can do that.
So good that noone is forcing you to update ^^
...... and used Debian stable with very old software... Yes it is stable but old... So, if you used testing or unstabble, for fresh software -will broke Debian distribution, after 2-3 months with nonstop updates!
same here! at 50, you have other priorities!
@@madthumbs1564 how?
Simple vs. complex.
Easy vs. hard.
Something can be simple and hard at the same time.
Remember, even if you are a pro Linux user, is still ok to use Linux mint or another "Beginner" distro
Mint scared me more than Arch/Manjaro after 20+ years on Windows. I won't recommend Mint or other "beginner" distros to anyone who wants to change Win on Linux. To feel free on minimal versions there's enough not to scare to use windows' Terminal or Powershell time to time ("cd" "mkdir" work on Win the same way ...mostly).
@@DenisTrebushnikov really?? Mint was my first distro switching from windows and is still my all-time fave. Simple setup, easy to use, powerful workhorse, what’s not to love?
@@saramaeks9826 really, in spite of I setuped my manjaro xfce trice for a month, and I still know less that I want, but I like it, really... maybe I love to learn, and I like hardcore to learn faster and better. All I need is in Manjaro (steam, welcome; notepadqq, welcome; openoffice for .docx docs, welcome... cataclysm dda, welcome, all for daily coding) headphones plugs... just plug them (I had in Manjaro KDE this trouble). I still like it more than Mint. I do almost 90% of that I usually do in win pc (of 32 ram and 2060Super for 3D graphics).
If you ever want to try out an easíer version of arch (like how mint is easier debian, I guess)
try out endeavourOS. It's really nice.
I always tell new users to stay away from Debian-based distros.
I've had nothing but trouble, and it gets worse the closer to Debian you get.
It's fundamentally flawed for end users, and no amount of paint and glitter is going to fix it.
Debian is flat out no good for end users. Its package management sucks, and it's generally a nightmare to work with if you need any amount of software support.
Most of Linux has a "take what you need" approach. Debian is "you'll take what we tell you to" unless you're fine with troubleshooting a broken system.
After leaving Debian-based distros behind, I haven't had a single instance where I've had to scour the internet for dependencies because they're not included in the repo alongside the package I want to install. (Happened on Linux Lite, Pop!_OS, Ubuntu, and Debian) I've also not had an instance where doing literally nothing except installing the graphics driver black-screened my system on reboot. (vanilla Debian, roughly 50% of the dozen or so times I tried getting a working desktop out of it.)
Garuda Linux is by far the most user friendly distro I've ever used.
Fedora is up there too.
Even Void Linux and Artix are more user friendly than a buggy Debian system.
You're absolutely right with everything you say! I started out with SuSE and Redhat and switched over to Ubuntu about 18 years ago. But now I'm a Manjaro user on all my computers, even on my wife's laptop I installed Manjaro, because the Arch way is the better way. But I mean, I have a life! I don't want to spend hours and hours with configuring my computers, they need to work out of the box, and that's what Manjaro provides, compared to bare Arch. But I totally agree, that Rolling Release is the model of the future. I actually love it so much. When I used Ubuntu, I always had to do a dist-upgrade which sometimes ended up in a complete mess or I had to perform a clean install which is horrible. So yeah, Manjaro for the desktop, maybe also Garuda or the other Arch based distros. Because of those projects, the Arch way is accessible by "normal users" rather than only "power users", which is great! However, to new people, I still recommend Ubuntu or Mint or PopOS, because it might be easier for them to understand and deal with.
Okay new Luke Smith, where is the video about Artix?
Artix is a gem!
I love Artix!
He uses appimages, you think he cares about systemd?
Artix would be good... If it was arch, not arch based...
ubuntu flavors, then manjaro, then arch, then voidlinux
Same, friend. I just finished my LUKS+LVM EFISTUB void install a week ago.
Well the proficy is true so far, is voidlinux in my future
Mandrake -> Gentoo. After that testing different distros (including Arch) just to prove yourself that Gentoo is the most user friendly distro :p
then Gentoo, then Linux From Scratch
kinda opposite for me. started with fedora october 2019, distrohopped occasionally but used mostly fedora, used debian a bit, ubuntu a bit (including ubuntu based like mint etc), arch for a really short time then void (i don't actually remember what i used right before void) and then again on arch recently. i really like void's stable rolling release concept but i'm tired of runit, i couldn't get it to work properly on my recent minimal reinstall. plus they lack some good docs and i think appreciate systemd, sorry :D i have many other reasons to use arch, big community, wiki, aur... it's good
6:41 DT avoids saying 'proprietary garbage', but he winced a little while doing so!
Haha he can't help himself :p
You know, I understand and do appreciate his zeal for free software, I even share in it, but eventhough I want nothing more than for free software to grow as a movement and become the norm, I just *have to disagree* with his systematic labeling of proprietary software as "garbage".
There are many pieces of proprietary software out there that are also just *great software,* and simply because a program is under a proprietary license doesn't make it lesser in terms of functionality, innovation, performance, design, accessibility, user interface, or any of the countless other metrics that a piece of software *must also be judged on,* beside it's license. It most definitely would be great and preferable if they were free and open source, but summarily dismissing them as "garbage" without any further consideration just because the *developers or corporations* behind them don't want to share them is very unfair: the software might be just fine, *it's the people* who don't want to make it open, the fault is not on the inanimate piece of software but *on the people who chose* to restrict the users' liberties. If anything, a software's license is one of the things that has the least to do with it's quality, and more to do with *the values of the people who made it.*
It's also very shortsighted in my opinion: I believe that people deserve free and open software because I believe it is their right, but I also believe that *people deserve great software,* be it free or proprietary. This, that people deserve great software, along with the fact that "free" also means free to acquire and use proprietary software, is what I believe is the reason Arch includes proprietary software in its official repositories: because not including it would make it harder for users to use and acquire it, whereas they should be free to do so and should have the moral discernment to chose for themselves what software they want. [1]
Nevermind the fact that you never hear people boycot *video-games* on the ground that they are proprietary, yet outside of the very few open-source games out there, they are almost exclusively proprietary software (even indie games). People most certainly do get pissed at and protest certain video-games for many reasons, but their license is just *never* one of them (that I know of, of course, but I challenge anyone to come up with a counter-example). I know that Derek isn't much of a gamer himself, but if you're gonna indiscriminately call proprietary software "garbage", then I would expect you to take that same hostile position towards video-games, otherwise I believe there's a glaring contradiction in your stance that needs to be addressed, especially if you play video-games regularily or consider yourself a gamer.
Oh well, I guess that whole charade kinda falls into the same category as the whole "separating the art from the artist" rigamarole. You can absolutely recognise a piece of software or art on its own merits, but still reject it because by doing so you would reject it's author who you dissagree with. It's a valid stance in my opinion, so long as you're able to judge the work *on its own qualities,* independently of the people who made it. Maybe the way he wields his adage "proprietary garbage" like a hammer is sometimes meant to sensationalise his defense of free software, showing his dedication to one by contrasting it with hyperbolised disdain at the other, but still I simply feel like this is a grace that DT is rarely willing to accord proprietary software.
[1] On the flip side, a distro excluding proprietary software from their repos would most likely be motivated by a desire to encourage people to wholly embrace free software, I'm not saying that it can only be because such a distro wants to restrict the users' freedoms, naturally. The same decision can be driven by different motives, and the same motives can lead to different or even opposite decisions.
@@HectaSpyrit Proprietary software shouldn't be installed by default unless you knowingly opt in to that, like downloading Pop OS Nvidia edition.
@@Tn5421Me Fair point, I do agree with that.
I do agree with that point, though I don't think it contradicts my own.
😂
Was expecting to see Luke Smith came out of trees
Neighbors?
And they will be like:
- “Oh shit, i’m sorry!”
- “Sorry for what? Our dad told us not be ashamed of our linux”
I'm new to Linux. I spent a month checking out 20+ distros/DEs. I've ended up with Manjaro KDE. I love it because it ticks so many boxes.
I'm an NYC Transit Fan. I can tell you a great deal about the NYC Subway, its history, stations, transit cars, and the lines built, lines proposed, and parts removed. I can point out the architectural details of many stations, their relationship to the history of the subways, and the many changes over time. On my shelves I have a collection of history books concerning the subways, collections of maps, and other information. I am one of those folks that when taking a subway trip - a good part of the enjoyment is simply being on the train. I consider myself to be "transit fan."
Now there are other folks - plenty of folks that simply use the subways to get from point A to point B. They could not care less about the particular subway car they use, or the history of their station, or other "cool" stuff. They just want to know when the next damn train will arrive because they have to get to work.
On some transit forums, other transit fans will refer to such folks as "sheep" or "geese" because these folks are simply not interested in all of the "cool" features of the subways or of transit in general. I take a different stance - those everyday folks who simply want to get from point A to point B allow the "whole transit system" to exist. In a similar vein why would an airplane pilot ever say anything bad about the flyers who take trips on his or her airline?
Yes, there are folks - even computer using folks that want to tinker with, and get under the hood of their devices, and others who simply want to use the devices to get actual work done. Not everyone wants to or could build their own cars, plenty of folks simply want to use the device to get someplace.
I've only started with Linux about two months ago, on two computers. I can not tell you what "system D" is all about, or what a "window manager" does, or what a snap-pak is, or a whole host of system's features. I know that spending four days trying to set and get the proper screen resolution for a new monitor that you've just bought to use on your Linux system with various web page suggestions on an assortment of 4-6 different terminal commands - that don't work!! - is way beyond my frustration level. So wiping away that previous Linux distribution and installing a Linux distribution like Ubuntu THAT JUST PLAIN DAMN IT WORKS INSTANTLY is not something to criticize or put down.
So please do not put down us "Linux Sheep!" I'd just rather spend my remaining time on this Earth with the stuff that I enjoy.
You need a tldr... Cause I did not read that shit
You do have a good point
@@majikman5140 Thanks for your input.
Exactly where I am.
I first turned on a computer in 1979 -- before the birth of most people who will probably read this comment. I've used virtually every desktop OS you can dig up in an internet search. Well, except for Temple OS -- I'm saving that for a special day. Mainframe computing? Ditto. I've coded everything under the sun.
Today? My computer is a toaster. I put bread in, I get bread out. I have no interest in switching distros every third day. Ubuntu works. I boot my PC and I create documents, edit videos, do whatever normal people do and I'm happy. I don't have the time anymore to trouble shoot stuff. My time is better spent creating things or enjoying life.
I'm with GNU/Linux because I agree with the libre software ethos because it speaks to my early days with computers but at the end of the day a computer is a toaster -- as long as it toasts bread, I don't care.
You mustache is the exact opposite of that what a certain German ever had..
😂😂😂 Mind blowing...
Angela Merkel?
@@douglasward718 I just remembered something.. You might be right, maybe it's Werner on a early pre-shave Sunday morning.. The other dude was born in Austria if im not mistaken 😉
...Austrian.
So you can reverse a LinkedList, but can you do the reverse German dictator?
The way I think when Arch says it's "simple" it's like when you go to a buffet restaurant, they don't give your food fully served on a plate, they give you an empty plate and you decide what to put in it!
I'm going to use this analogy.
Thank you for taking the time to make such videos... I've been a windows user my entire life, but now that I'm becoming more concerned about privacy, I'm slowly making the shift to Linux. Right now I'm following your Arch install guide with a VM, and I really appreciate the free knowledge. I do have to say that as a Linux newbie, it can get very overwhelming, but learning is fun!
Ubuntu is South African surveillance on the masses. Don't expect any "privacy" out of anything Canonical will give you. Be smart not stupid. Those buzzwords and "feeling good" posts amount to a hill of beans.
I don't think I'll ever move to arch, I like debian too much. Assuming you use the expert install mode, you have complete configurability, stability, and a true 100% FOSS system.
Pacman?
@@akshatvats7992 I like how dead simple apt is. One example is you're expected to manually edit sources.list in order to upgrade to the next debian release, or any other configuration like that. I'm not sure how you're expected to configure pacman, if it's just a sources file or something more complex.
@@LloydLynx A file /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist. You don't need to manually edit it (though you can, just go to Arch's website and generate a bunch of mirrors), you can use a tool called reflector. But in the last 4-5 months, I haven't had the need to edit it once.
Pacman + AUR >> everything else.
Parabola is arch based but 100%, FOSS and has official openrc support
That was a very polite and well mannered discussion of why you think your distro is better. I applaud your gentle approach and describing this stuff, the Linux community could use more of that.
It takes some balls to keep moving with FOSS. We are an inspiration for the next gen. I feel proud using FOSS, earlier I switched to Ubuntu because my hardware was sluggish for windows use but now after a year my perspective has changed. Using FOSS gives me confidence, substance.
I think the greatest strength of Arch Linux is the distro itself doesn't try to compete with anyone or force anything to the user or following any other distro. It just shows to the world how an open source software project should be.
The world knew what an open source software project must be long before Arch appeared. Debian had already shown it to it.
@@shibiltonchev7154 Yep, Debian also is one of many good example.
Summary: I use Arch, btw
My distrohopping look like this
Ubuntu-> Manjaro-> Arco -> Arch -> Opensuse tumbleweed. I left arch because it was sometime unstable
It's hilarious that as time goes on and more systems surface making Arch approachable the more the migration to Arch based Linux gains traction. Faster updates, AUR and very recent, active driver support entices gamers and content creators.
I don't use Arch but I found their Wiki database extremely useful for gaining in depth understanding of some operations like the boot process. It helped me figure out how to manually shift some files around in the boot process in order for Mint/Manjaro dual boot to work, and to be able to fix it when it stops working.
The ultimate evolution of modularity is, IMO, rolling releases. They make perfect sense to me as a Kubernetes engineer who works with CI/CD pipelines a lot. You update every part of your infrastructure regularly in its own individual chunks. That way, if one thing breaks, the rest of it probably doesn't.
I started with Ubuntu, moved to Manjaro, then Arch and now on Artix.
I started with pop last year, then moved to Manjaro recently
same. Just that I am still on arch. Ubuntu made me drop linux and become anti-linux for 2 years straight. Now back.
why artix?
Artix is nice. Simple. Minimal. And not systemd based. Now has rsm in the repo, and i3 iso has been in testing for a while. Been playing with it in a VM. Think it’s gonna come down to Artix or Void for my next install.
My first distro was ubuntu and then tried pop!_os. It wasn't my cup of tea then i'm currently on manjaro. And i hope this'll be my last distro hopping
Man, walking in the snow talking about linux on a hillside house......
Thats life goal for me !
a calm and peaceful life.
All the best, good sir!
Didn't look like hilside for me. Rather flattish.
As a kid, I liked to take things like ballpens apart, examine their parts, and then put them together again. Future Arch user in the making! :P
I actually find this video inspiring. I believe it's time to give Arch another shot on my laptop. Thanks, dude
That hoodie is like a VPN. When I saw this video last year, at first glance I had no idea it was you. Thanks for all of the great content, the world is at least a little bit better by you being in it.
There's really always something to learn. Recently, quite trivial, I find myself thinking of building my own terminal color scheme. Also planning to transform that into a Doom Emacs theme, once done.
Ubuntu is nice for a start, but indeed, Arch is a breeze to maintain as compared to something like Ubuntu. Up to so far, I never regretted heading towards Arch. Ultimately, I might end up with Gentoo though.
I ended up leaving Linux during the great systemd conversion and I truthfully can't find myself really wanting to get into any distro as my main outside of Gentoo... There's really something to be said for ultimate customizability.
@@optiquest86 Yeah, systemd is one of a couple of reasons for me to consider Gentoo. I've still got a few things to learn though.
I really liked this video, you're breaking the routine and opening-up to us by giving us a glance at your personal life. Keep up the good work!
My case was the following:
1.- Mandrake.
2.- Debian.
3.- Arch Linux > Parabola GNU/Linux-libre.
Only I touched Ubuntu on VM, but no in my real hardware.
Ubuntu > God tier distro > arch linux
Mint>manjaro>arch>Gentoo
@@arkvsi8142 ubuntu doesn't have AUR
Ohh yes, Mandaka - such a crap really. It was actually one of the worse distros that had been there. Still wonder from where it's popularity came from.
For me it was:
Mandrake -> Debian (couple of trials) -> Slackware -> Ubuntu -> Arch (& Gentoo)
@@petrdemuth4963 Manjaro is our God
It's funny but, troubleshooting in Arch I find easier than in more "user friendly" distros.
Because Arch doesn't really "build abstractions" on top of packages, that basically means that an error is either "user error" or an "upstream bug".
If the error is happening at those "distro abstractions" levels, it's usually really hard to troubleshoot, and it often involves waiting for the distro developer to actually fix it.
Other than that, the Arch Wiki is just too good. I use the Arch wiki even when I'm using other distros, and the info there is very often enough to solve the problem I'm having.
The Arch Wiki is the be-all, end-all guide to ricing and configuration on any Linux distro, unless you use Nix or GuixSD.
I was previously using CrunchBang/BunsenLabs (Debian based distro). One of the most frequent arguments I heard from other Debian users against Arch was something to the tune of “rolling releases can break your system,” yet _pacman_ is probably the smoothest package manager I've used and have found so much easier than _apt_ to fix dependency conflicts.
I saw your vids, and went straight to Arch from windows.
@digitalcro digital 1. Could you elaborate on what you dislike about DT's Arch-coverage :-) ?
2. Which flavor of BSD ? FreeBSD ? And what exactly is superior about it?
@digitalcro digital I dont play video games... I use Arch with awesome wm , I use it for programming and my other hobbies such as htb. I definitely don't have an expensive High end gaming rig. I still have an i7 4790k and rx 570 4gb... Mid tier at best.
I love the functionality and productivity I get from my system now... my mouse is rarely used. I use keyboard 95% of the time. I just have a soft spot for Arch... I used to use vscode , never had any reason to even think about an editor... well, since I found Arch ---> Awesome wm -----> Vim... and Vim just blew my mind. 👌
@@Konnecta-kb9gg you wont believe, my story is the same with few differences, I didn't had a computer or laptop till last year sept when I brought a laptop, saw videos of luke installed ubuntu after that install was successful I went directly to arch didn't even check things in ubuntu, i just want to chexk if linux will install and it did so i watched tutorials of *ef made simple* and installed arch
If I get a raspberry pi, I'll definitely try arch, but Ubuntu is is still my production box distribution. However I do understand your take about users vs. tinkerers.
In my day job, about 20 years ago, I administered a 60 node Sun Systems network. That lasted about 14 years.
Sun was more like Apple, in that it was a closed architecture. Everything just worked out of the box, with some configuration. That's how I got interested in Linux at home. Ultimately, Ubuntu is a similar feel, for me.
funny thing, I've never touched Ubuntu.... Started behind Unix and then 18 years ago started using Debian, still have not touched Ubuntu, should add to todo list. Out of Linux distros my favourite is Void
Couldn’t agree more. Void is fantastic. I have a void VM with runit and musl. Really like the installer as well.
@digitalcro digital Debian has more than 50,000 packages ... What's your point?
Luke "DistroTube" Smith
Tx people in 2 inches of snow: Beware..Beware...end of the world is near !!!
Ny people in 6 feet of snow: (...shoveling)
Its almost like weather is different in different locations
Texas isn't setup for snow, but you're right that some of the hysteria is overblown.
Similar articles when New York got close to reaching 100 degree:
www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/nyregion/heat-wave-nyc.html
100 degree weekend? Thats just called summer time.
Edit: found a Dallas article from the same 2019 summer as the New York article.
www.dallasnews.com/news/weather/2019/07/30/dallas-fort-worth-hits-100-degrees-for-the-first-time-this-year/
@@redwrathable Don't threaten me with a good time :P
It's just snow lol 😆
@@abaneyone more like snow flakes :P
I came into Linux right from the deep: first Linux distro I ever saw running, and then installed on my machine was Slackware. That was back in 1998. Been with it ever since. Once you master Slackware, or Arch or Gentoo, these distros are exceedingly user friendly. That's because they are simple by design.
Arch is like an accomplishment, like a trophy. I never had that problem, I just grab any distro that works. For straight 20 years, I haven't had need to move from Debian/Ubuntu base. I need it superstable and can't afford any additional configuration. And that's all OK, for those who love to tinker, Linux has products. Since Ubuntu Mate was released, I never looked elsewhere. Why, it just works. I did try Manjaro earlier, it broke in the key moment so I never looked at it again. I say, we all have our cup if tea. All Linux is niche product, no point in saying this or that is better. If I used a PC as a home entertainment center, I'd have time to tinker. But I work in time related work so superstable is the only niche I need. 😉
I don't know how you do it.
I swore off Debian-based distros entirely after a few years worth of headaches and distro hopping.
Debian almost made me quit Linux entirely. Literally every other distro I've tried is more user friendly, once you get it installed. Debian sucks whenever you want to do ANYTHING.
Formerly from CenLa (Vernon Parish) and from Lafayette now living in Northern Maine, great to see a fellow Linux user from Louisiana.
Ubuntu has the advantage of having pre-compiled weird and rare packages which may fail to compile on AUR. However rolling releases get more mainstream as install and config scripts get better.
Like what?
I've always been a windows 10/ MacOS BigSur kinda guy, and thanks to virtualization I finally decided to give Linux a try. My first install was Ubuntu 22.04LTS. Tried that for a while. It was cool. Then I jumped over to Pop-OS, Debian, Kinetic-Kudu, then finally installed and settled on Arch-Linux. It looks so much better, and feels more natural for me to use. Arch-Linux is officially my Linux home for the time being.
I tried using the latest and greatest with Fedora and Arch Linux (mind that was a couple of years ago). I ran into problems where ZFS and VirtualBox couldn't compile anymore because of dependencies and/or a to new kernel... Using Ubuntu LTS XFCE for years and I am totally fine with using snaps and removing all packages I won't need, I just want to get things done in the end...
I started using Linux 10 years ago, started with Ubuntu. and right away, got into learn things. ps, grep, nmap, nc, etc...
And eventually tried arch linux(back when ncurses install), and was great. I trully learned very much about linux, the daemons, the user interfaces, x.org. fluxbox, openbox, soo many.
Ran it for a year, and trully learned. but i had to keep up with updates, the news, because some updates, have to use --force to continue and such. Eventually yeah, i had to maintain.
Went to AntiX, because fluxbox by default, stable, and fast (but no systemd).
Currently MXLinux, it's a nice mix around Stable(some old packages), and MX Repos, with up-stream packages + debian backports.
Currently looking to try on my laptop, rolling distros (Arch, Manjaro, OpenSuse?) and keep to try around the updates. Mess with other distros. But debian/ubuntu used for servers, like to continue to use as desktop, to try stuff.
I haven't used ubuntu in a long time, but when I did, I used the ubuntu mini iso. I found it to be comparable to arch base, and a good option for people who want to build up their system slowly from a minimal foundation. Ubuntu is as configurable as any other distro.
Isn't Debian also which Ubuntu trails behind?
Mhm. I would also recommend someone that wants to try the Arch Base install to do the Ubuntu Mini install for practice. It helped me.
An analysis I adhere entirely to. The white blanket inspires you DT. Got hooked into Arch by Google pushing the awesome Arch Wiki to my face whenever I researched a topic. A few years on Arch then on to Manjaro which adds just the grain of salt I need to ease sysadmin while ensuring freedom of choices.
And after all, at least me, go back to minimal Debian :/
That'd be my go to if I had no good internet connection for a while. Debian stable + a tiling window manager seems fine
Why?
@@Dobrouh Well, debian based distros (i prefer debian, btw), dont know why, are the only ones that can deal with the undervolt and other energy settings that i apply to my laptop. Arch based tend to freeze or reboot on load, altought Manjaro is the only one that kind of deal with all that i said, but with the cost of some kind of corruption in many ways like fonts or things like that :/
@@Ray045x that is interesting, I've never had to mess around with any undervolt/other energy settings like that. I wonder why Debian is able to handle it appropriately
I use Debian minimal too , using it for about 4 years . No complain , Debian is awesome .
I started with Ubuntu 12.04LTS but didn't like the Unity desktop. Gave Mint a try, Point Linux, Manjaro, gave Arch a try and lots of other Distros I can't even remember. Now that MX has the KDE desktop I've moved back to it and I'm pretty happy with it. I just want something that'll work well so I can get work done with a desktop that I can tweak so it'll look nice.
I skipped Arch and went straight to Gentoo.
I always wanted to say that.
I installed my first Linux in the mid 90ies. It was SUSE. I'm German, after all. I tried many distributions, but somehow never Arch. I really like Gentoo. And Solus.
How does it feel wasting your time compiling for no reason?
@@JosueRodriguez08 Having the newest version of software before Arch does feels great! And compiling it yourself makes it really easy to configure.
@@JosueRodriguez08 I love it; not wasting space for unnecessary utilities in packages and configuring my kernel for only the hardware I have and use is not only more efficient than just getting a binary with everything included, but also helps me know my system way better and makes it easy to find a problem with a package. Also, compiling is super fast on modern systems and the 10-15 seconds that are "wasted" over just downloading a binary are well worth it for all the advantages it gives me
@@ahmedabadabdallah927 Great response! He also doesn't understand that when you build a very customised and optimised operating system like Gentoo, you do not need the very latest hardware to use with it. For someone like me, that means that the only new hardware I ever buy are storage devices, everything else I buy is generally used, a few years old, and therefore much cheaper than new hardware. That also means I can have multiple devices of everything I own, so when one is compiling Gentoo, I can use the other one. Therefore compilation is not an issue for me - but he doesn't understand that because all he understands is the stupid Gentoo meme.
@Peter Andrijeczko I am not talking knowledge grandpa, I am saying that is just a lot of wasted time compiling stuff with no gain whatsoever lol
If you're gonna be honest in summary, it's not just about customization and "freedom," it's about not wanting bondage & discipline. (Anyone installing Ubuntu is free to rek it, but must first release their computer from the B&D.) Loved how you wrapped up though! The community paradigm versus corporate paradigm is the interesting thing. Even if the community paradigm fails, I'll go down to the end fighting for it.
"... it's not gonna customized or themed unless you do it."
Well it is customized and themed! The customisation and themes just are Not changed by Arch developers! And this is a good thing in most cases imo. But in any case, that does not mean you have to put more work into it. You just have different defaults compared to other distributions.
With Arch Linux you get the default defaults by default! :)
My Linux way was different. I started with Mint (also tried out Debian and Slackware), then hopped to Fedora, then switched to Antergos, stayed there a long time and finally (before Antergos went down!) went back to Mint.
I was never happy until I installed pure Arch on my computer.
Thanks for summing up my thoughts exactly. I'm practically speedrunning the Debian to Arch transition. I moved from Linux Mint to ArcoLinux without a lot of goading or provocation.
A lot of it was for the same reasons you listed, before I even saw this video. Mint is extremely tightly integrated and you can't get a good feel for the seperate parts of the system.
Arch-based distros do a much better job of letting you take the system apart so you can see how it works.
It's all fascinating. Reminds you of how malleable computers really are.
"it saves so much time" dt saying it it's like vegetarians that say "you don't understand. You feel so much healthyer when you only eat vegetables"
@OxyMor0n88 On Debian we don't have to worry about fixes all the time
I'm vegan since I learned that meat is made from plants.
Watching you talk about something that you're extremely passionate about (gnu/linux) fills me with a lot of joy, it's odd to describe
Define “more advanced.” I write code that does serious number crunching and signal processing. A famous professor who’s an expert on the subject at a famous university says he’s never seen some of what I’ve done, and he said some of my results are “amazing.’
This code will compile on almost any 64-bit operating system. I don’t care about desktops, or configurability, or even operating systems. To me, those things are boring. I have different interests.
I run Windows and Ubuntu Linux. Windows supported CUDA before Linux did. I like developing on Linux for other reasons. My code will run on both.
If Arch eventually does something I care about that Ubuntu doesn’t do, I’ll switch to Arch; otherwise, there’s no reason to do that.
CUDA's great, but you run the risk of "vendor lock-in". I've been using CUDA for about 5 years, but am now moving to other tools that are GPU agnostic (and open source). This is the same reason why I do happen to care about operating systems. It may not always been the most "convenient" path to take, and sometimes the "vendor lock-in" argument may seem moot, but I prefer the freedom and long-term flexibility of FOSS.
Wow you really took it personally! So you are not an advanced Linux user then. You may be an advanced coder or academic, but you freely admit you’re not an advanced user. That’s ok to admit, you don’t have to be the smartest person in the room on every subject
A whole international community from Brazil to Berlin does heavy C/C++ DSP code and VST/AU/Ladspa/AAX plugin development using both native and cross compiling SDKs. Whatever you are saying can be put aside as exuberance not gains. You are also failing to observe that the very same community I mention above are first class musicians and artists as well, so being adept with technology and tinkering is their modus operandi including hardware hacking, circuit bending, GUI and UX designing, controllers development, synthesis algorithms and so on. Added to that performance routines, algorithmic music composition and performance , extensive use of tools like Matlab, Supercollider, CSound etc. Not to mention folks in cyber security and malware research who are literally working with assembly code and a debugger in user mode and kernel mode day in day out. Common theme, they all use the OS features and relentlessly keep learning while getting it to do the things they want it to. That my friend is serious tinkering, all the while creating a legacy in the process and a valuable community. You have much to learn.
@@pcrsweetness I can put you in a really good headlock, but you probably wouldn't like it as you pretty much admit not liking headlocks.
That's ok I can do it anyway, you don't always have to like everything you do in life.
@@berlinblast5736 that's a lot of verbs and nouns. Feel better? Make sure you check how many people "like" the comment as if you did something.
I started back on SuSe 6.0... Only ever touched Ubuntu 18.01 and was appalled how badly it ran, unbelievably bloated... Tried to set up Arch on that machine and failed miserably, then started practising in a VM with a 100% success rate... I really like it, so stable, pacman is easily the best package manage out there and the AUR... I shouldn´t even get started on how great the AUR is...
Appreciate what you're saying, but being a 66 year old, Don't know if I could absorb command line 'stuff' again. DOS back in the day was cool and I loved what I could do with it. Now all I am looking for is something to replace windows cause I'm not going to 10, and 7 is slowly being forced out. Good points though--good vid, Thanks
I agree with you about Arch's / arch-based OPs popularity growing. But Ubuntu's popularity declined mostly because of the bad decisions Canonical took in the past. It's still, and by far, the most used Linux Desktop OS in the world, and still will be for a long time.
It's Chris Titus who always says that "Ubuntu is the devil" :-) but let's be honest. At least 95% of us began with Ubuntu. When I made the switch, I began with Ubuntu 7.10 and sticked with it 'til 9.04 I guess, that's when I felt myself ready to jump to Arch. I then sicked with Arch 2 years before going to Gentoo Linux. I loved Gentoo so much! I got it on my PC 8 years straight. I had to stop it because meanwhile I became a super proud dad and didn't want to waste time with the updates and configs. And as everybody knows, Gentoo is very time consuming. When the kid goes to bed, I don't want to spend my evening maintaining de PC before going to bed. So I installed Fedora 30. Now on F33 and pretty happy. I tried KDE and actualy, Plasma is great but 5.20 is a disaster on Fedora so I switched back to Xfce. And that's what Linux is all about: you have the choice ;-)
Nice house by the way lol
I like your Richard Stallman Red hoodie.
Straight up Vanilla Debian is another good way to go, you can setup Debian to be basically a rolling release. That;s all I use anymore,, Debian and Arch. Enjoy your vids DT.
I am still in first phase (Ubuntu). May want to take a look at arch but I don't find a reason why
@linus femboy tips I haven't tried Arch yet (I'm still in ubuntu/pop_os phase) but I feel you, I'm never buying nvidia ever again unless they open source their drivers, it's just too much headache.
I started off tinkering around with Ubuntu, then Linux Mint, then installed Red Hat for a long time. Then I went with Arch for ages, and did some testing with Manjaro (and Garuda more recently) on the side. Now I am on Artix and am sticking to it for the forseeable future. Really like OpenRC honestly.
Rolling releases are perhaps nice for home use, and for those with newer hardware. Stable feature complete LTS releases are the only way to guarantee compatibility for software and hardware vendors. It's also nice to not worry about an update. With LTS release you know your stuff will work next week, like it worked today. That's very useful if you do actual work with your computer. If everything is a moving target, you can never learn anything well. And mostly people evolve from slackware/arch to debian/ubuntu, and not the other way around. They've learned enough, they compiled their kernels, they've riced their desktop, been there, done that. But now it is time to do some real work. And then you are better of with an LTS release like debian/mint/ubuntu. With the few exceptions of people that work in a niche where they can get away with working with their own toolsets.
For less than $300 a person can easily get a quad core/hyperthreaded 2.5Ghz-3.1Ghz cpu with 6MB cache , supports 32GB of RAM and various other good stuff , I so often hear of linux users only using hardware that is like 10 years old , and why ? then complain if a distro uses 4GB Ram ....it is always good to have a few devices and can be sure there is always a backup puter that is availble
@@danzare5638 I think you kinda missed the point of what I meant here.
@@mrdenpes1309 When a person is willing to have more than one PC , as in several it is always better because that way you can have the stable LTS undisturbed daily driver that works so there is no worry about updates and all will work as expected ,
then using other devices you can have the rolling releases , the devices that you can experiment with , and explore with without the worry of causing any disruption to the machine that just works …..using the term ‘daily driver’ as in with cars , a daily driver is the car that is used for reliable needs , and the project car is the one that will be , the toy to play with , to customize and it not prevent you from the daily commuting that needs to be done
I see ppl often complain about problems with dual booting , when you have multiple devices there is no need to dual boot and thus no issues with that , having other machines to run other distros on means you can learn on them without be worried it will mess up the daily driver ……
Depending on the needs of your daily life , if you have only one car and it breaks down , you wish you had another while it is is the repair shop
Good performing hardware is relatively cheap these days , ....
Arch is great for knowing more about how Linux works... when people are ready for that sort of thing. Even if you don't use it as a daily driver.
1 month ago I watched half of this vid on Ubuntu and was sure I would never use Arch.
I use Arch, btw.
I switched to Ubuntu this year and loved it (wished I knew about it 10 years ago). Find myself in the terminal alot, something I'd never do on windows. I've been seeing a lot of buzz around Arch and this video made so much sense, I discovered the world of window managers and wanted to install i3 or dwm and it just wasn't working on Ubuntu. My roadmap is Ubuntu > Linux Mint > Manjaro > Arch > Gentoo
Why mint? As I understand it's just a simple version of Ubuntu.
I moved to fedora after using Arch. It works and gets out of my way when I need it, and its open to customization, modding, and learning when I want to. Also I have found the packages in fedora to be packaged better.
Great video - I enjoyed it . Arch user for close to a decade myself. Think you nailed it
Arch is what the user make of it
Fedora, Arch, and the Ubuntu.
While I can usually solve things on my own, I use computers to make money. For better or worse, Ubuntu (for me) wins out on stability. I usually have some update issue 4-5 weeks after install then boom, something happened to the Arch install.
I've gone from Ubuntu and mint, to Debian and finally to arch.
But then my journey took me to Artix and I finally feel enlightened
I started arch using arch because
a few months ago I can't install chromium from apt so I wanted to install debian
but then I couldn't get debian installed
so I tried arch and never left
I started using linux in 2007. I've used Red Hat (pre-Fedora), Slackware, SUSE, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, yadda-yadda. I've been using Linux Mint MATE for the last 4 years. Don't even have to reinstall, just upgrade. Peaceful. Quiet. Nice.
DistroTube, Then Luke smith. It's The Road So Many Of Us Travel.
CTT, DT and LS
I am a tinkerer at heart
Starting with Red Hat Linux 5.2
As a dual boot about 23 years ago
and ditching Microsoft
after a system failure
and pulling all the windows files
off the system via the Linux installation
I then migrated to Ubuntu then Mint
and then to Manjaro and currently Arch
My partner is however someone who wants
something that "just works" so I have installed
a Linux Mint system there.
I'm transitioning from heavily customized ubuntu to arch rn. I got arch to work on a side computer to see all the potential issues and I'll probably have arch on my main machine soon :)
Pd: i can totally feel what you say about the pieces in ubuntu being frustrating to take apart
I use both Ubuntu and Arch. I keep an Ubuntu 20.04 LTS pc for stability purposes, and I use Arch for experimenting and having a customizable experience.
when you successfully run Arch on a server we'll talk...
Arch is okay for nerdiez that like to tinker with their machine as you said.
I had Manjaro installed on my production machine and one year later an update was fatal and broke my install.
So yeah, when you need a stable environment for 2-5 years then a static release is the best choice and Arch can simply not do it :)
Imagine using Manjaro and then blaming its problems on Arch... Come on, you can do better.
@@ghennio7 ...yeah, or maybe he can't.
I've been running Arch on all of my servers for 6 years, both as a host and for almost all of my VMs (the exception is my freeipa server, which doesn't run on arch last I checked, so it's centos). While most of my VMs have been rebuilt several times over the years for one reason or another, the host hadn't been rebuilt a single time. I finally retired my older host a few weeks ago after the power supply died and forced me to finally take the time to actually transition to newer servers I built earlier this year.
As for Manjaro - it's problem is that it uses separate repositories that are often weeks behind the Arch repository and frequently has individual packages that are held back even longer for no reason. This breaks not only AUR compatibility, but often also official package compatibility. It is easily the worst major Arch-based distro.
Hope you doing good man! Love watching your channel. :)
Yeah.. i Love my Endeavour OS so much !
For me, Arch is like the C programming language:
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1) It's not too low level (making your life incredible difficult),
2) its not too high level (abstracting so many stuff making it really hard to control and customize anything)
but it is a perfect balance between those two.
Plus it has a really big community and one of the best Wikis out there!
Eventually every Linux user want to dive deeper, understand what's under the hood and be able to complete control the system.
I've yet to see a distro doing this better than Arch providing a good balance between extremely hard and too easy.
I started on Ubuntu, stayed on it for 8 years, and then this month switched to Linux Mint Debian Edition.
Install gentoo
come back man, why u stop ur uploads?
I absolutely Derek. Evolving to Arch or Arch based Distros is I think a natural occurrence when your on Linux long enough. As you may remember my primary driver is currently Manjaro 20.02 KDE. I do however have Kubuntu 20.04 on my mini workstation. The reason being I wish to still stay familiar with Ubuntu based systems for the purpose of installation, maintaining, or service PC's of those I have migrated to Linux whom may not wish to or be able to understand Arch. I myself am still learning it even though I've been on it since last summer. The stigma is fading about how Arch is more "apt" to break eventually because it's rolling, well not so much these days. And yes, "apt" was a play on words...... LOL
The only thing that bugs me is people who use people as their search engines in Reddit/wherever instead of using their brains.
No one will ever know the stupid questions I only needed to ask myself. lol
The problem is that today there are sooo many options, not only in term of distros but also DE/windows manager, programming languages, frameworks, libraries etc.
Newcomers can't test everything and are afraid to do the "wrong choice" and stackoverflow/reddit people end up basically controlling their mind
Ubuntu - I got a new house. It's made of particle board and failed inspection but it's new right????
Debian - I'm buying a fixer upper and trying to do some DIY renovations.
Arch - I know what I'm doing. I'm going to design my house and get the supplies and hire some contractors and build it my way from scratch.
Gentoo - Oh yeah? I'm going to cut down my own trees and build my house from source.
LFS - Ohhhh yeah? I'm going to plant my own trees and eventually I'll have a house.
I use arch; the only times I've touched Ubuntu is on servers, but never as a desktop.
By the way
I am a bit confused. Why don't you just use Arch on your server?
@@shibiltonchev7154 stability
I think why Ubuntu is hard to "reverse engineer" if you will, is because we don't have to put a Ubuntu system together from scratch. With arch, you understand what went into creating the environment you are using because you built it. Therefore, it is much easier to remove components of your install and swap them out for alternatives. I like building up an aesthetic Arch system, it is the perfect amount of challenge. I'm not ready for gentoo or anything like that. Maybe once I can install Arch without any guides I will be ready to try something more complicated.
I'll add: My first experience with Linux was installing Ubuntu alongside Windows through Wubi. It was so easy, I learned nothing. I was very shocked when I deleted the Windows partition and my system broke because it was depending on NTLDR as a bootloader.
I literally went from Ubuntu then arch then gentoo and finally Linux from scratch in 2 years
Pat yourself on the back. You're indeed a quick learner
I like Fedora. Everything is really new; updates nearly daily; no weird customization telling me what I should or shouldn't have; and I can trust that it isn't gonna do anything stupid out of nowhere.
Why do you think you need updates every day?
You take the vaccine updates yet?
debian, arch, parabola, void, and debian again
@Big Perx once you go gentoo you never go back
I used linux for over 20 years, on the desktop for the first 10, starting with slackware, then moving to debian and finally gentoo. Almost 10 years ago or so I just didn't wind up getting around to reinstalling it, I always dual booted windows for games. Though I've used linux constantly for servers both personally and professionally the whole time however. I really hate windows on the desktop honestly, in particular the lack of window grabbing is just painful to live without. Anyway for the last 10 years or so I've used Ubuntu for most of my servers. I never really liked it much, for servers I wanted something that was simple to maintain, well known, etc. Tried RHEL/Centos several times but their packages were always way too out of date causing me to start compiling shit outside of the package manager. Same with debian stable. Ubuntu was sort of the default after that. But recently I got genuinely pissed off at Ubuntu, found out that this snaps nonsense is ubuntu-only and semi proprietary, but then also got wound up in systemd complications and shit regarding some systemd caching dns server (wtf does systemd have a dns server?). Switched to Alpine on all my servers, it's fantastic. Installed Arch on my desktop, so I'm relearning some of that, doesn't seem like much has happened in the last 10 years though, new window managers, same shitty nvidia blob driver and xwindows limitations. Pretty sure I encountered this way back then but I have 3 screens, one runs at 144hz, it looks like xwindows as a whole doesn't support per screen hz under xinerama, so all 3 screens are locked down to 60hz instead of the one main screen running at 144... This new Wayland thing apparently does support it, but nvidia doesn't support wayland... yay. Maybe time to just build a separate computer with an amd card.