Subang Intetnational Airpirt was Kuala Lumpur's main airport (KUL) from 1965 to 1998, before the new Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) in Sepang was opened.
I was a trainee pilot for about a year flying Cessna 152 from a school across that terminal you're in. Such memories! You don't realise how crowded the area around XSP is until you get airborne. When I piloted the aircraft for the first time, I panicked as I tried to land because I could not see the airport amongst the urban build up! Hahaha.... I'm actually old enough to remember Subang from pre-KLIA days. Its almost like Kai Tak terminal.
This was a fun little review - and educational. An airline I never heard of flying between two airports I didn't know existed, on a route I hope to be able to fly someday. Thanks Kevin.
Fun fact, i studied in a building which could oversee the airport, as the singapore youth flying club also operates there and uses that runway as well. Thanks for sharing on that flight, i would not have known about that, since i never saw any firefly planes landing there and usually private planes only. That airport used to serve berjaya air if i am not wrong, took a flight from there to somewhere else which I forgot.
I dream myself flying this route but it’s quite difficult to me to get to these both airports. Love your review and thank you sm for adding maps. It helps me a lot to understand the route!!
Wow, never thought of firefly as one that serves snacks onboard. Plus, the airports it serve seem really convenient. I could see this being a much more convenient option for frequent travellers between the two cities... the type who works in one and flies home to other for the weekend. Other than the airports possibly being "too cheap" for them, i could see mh and sq serving this route as well!
Very helpful and interesting review. Once I stop working in the US I plan to be based in Kuala Lumpur and I'd peviously looked at both airports and the Firefly flight option. I'll live with the tight quarters on board for the convenience this offers transiting between these two cities. Cheers!
I just found out that there will be a Park Hyatt Kuala Lumpur opening sometime next year in Merdeka 118. Can't wait to see you cover that place because I'm sure you will someday!
Seletar reminds me of paine field in Everett, WA ( especially now that Alaska is the only carrier there now). I do like the ATR, even though it has been 30 years since I've been on one.
Always nice to see a review of the XSP-SZB pair. They are a choice for people who wants nearer to the city transport from singapore - pity Changi booted them out in 2018 - your trip would have been much different. btw the Firefly jets is the company's second attempt - the last time was back in 2011. this time around i think they are going at it a bit more sedately, and will focus mostly domestically.
Back then they try to do from KLIA on their jets (which absolutely lost to their full-service MAS and also Airasia). Nowadays, the jets focusing on the Penang as main hub and only use SZB in KL route as their ATR hub. Much more less covered route by their main full service one.
CHangi was complaining that turboprops generate more turbulance in their wake compared to jets, so any aircraft following them has to stay further away, which strains the airport's capacity
Another great, high-quality video! Love it! Greetings from Czechia. I have a little question. What was better for you? EVA Air’s BC or Qatar Airways’ Qsuite?
Thanks so much for this. I'll be flying with them (on an ATR72) in November from Penang to Banda Aceh. I don't much like the aircraft either. But for $36 it's hard to complain. Looking forward to it of course.
Hi Kevin. I watch your videos and appreciate the extensive time and work you put into filming, editing and scripting. Thanks! One note please... Your camera does quite a bit of strobing in two scenarios of any of your recent videos (I only began watching 6 months ago). In fluorescent lights the strobing is the worst! And sometimes in quick camera sweeps your shots are jittery/strobing (strobing: the lobby of the airport, jittery: off the plane in MY a shot panning right to left on the tarmac.) I'm not sure what either of these causes are. When I look at other RUclips travel vloggers -- I watch Dan and Dan and Oscar -- they shoot and edit exclusively on iPhones and I never see this issue. I wish I could give you some ideas where to look to fix this but I can't. Thanks for the hard work. :)
The strobing lights are a result of frame rate vs. light hertz/frequencies. In the past, it was easier to navigate as different countries use different hertz and so you could adjust your frame rate accordingly. Now a days with LEDs (99% of light strobing in my videos comes from LEDs) it is not as easy to predict when a different frame rate would be necessary. When I shoot hotel rooms I frequently need to shoot the same shot 5+ times to eliminate strobing since LED strobing is relative to angle and movement of the camera. In an airport, I don’t have the luxury of standing around and reshooting things multiple times. All of my videos are shot on latest model iPhones as well. In all of my trip reports I film entirely freehand as to not attract attention with devices in hand, which causes stutters at times especially when I’m panning and walking at the same time. If I was using a gimbal or steady cam, it wouldn’t be there.
Szb serves mainly business customers. You are right to say that it takes 1 hour to reach klia which at peak hours can take up to 1.5 hours. I would rather pay more for convenience and the ability to go 'last minute' intro the airport and be on time for a flight. I would choose changi for longer flights. I like the convenience...
Oh, ok, so we’ll see a BKK-MEL on TG business class on an A350!? 🤔😂 Great video as always, I love the ATRs, even with the tight config (well, I’m 5’5” 😂)! Thanks for sharing!
I’ve done a lot of firefly in and out trips on the same day - one thing that always gets me is how hot as hell the 5 pm flight is ; it always seems that the plane is out of aircond gas by that time and it can really be very uncomfortable . Also it seems firefly planes fly at a lower altitude and can be quite bouncy - frighteningly so at times during evening tropical thunderstorms - .
Assuming you're comparing to other jet aircraft... Firefly indeed do fly lower as Turboprops typically do, also giving you more of a turbulence thrill along the way haha. Thanks for watching 🩴
Absolutely love your unbiased content and trip reports! ✈ Request you to please visit Mangalore airport in Southern India...Please do a trip report from Dubai to Mangalore
Hi Kevin, nice to see you feature Singapore's not generally well known 2nd airport, Seletar. Thanks for this review by the way including FireFly, just a minor mention and hope you don't mind but Seletar is actually pronounced the following way, Sir-Lee-Tar. Love your channel and unbias reviews, it truly makes my week watching and in some cases re-watching your videos, especially the ones featuring Phuket. Hope you are intending to make some video reviews in Penang.
Another great report - Thanks Kevin. I'm going to take a wild stab at the upcoming flight at the end of the video even though I have no clue about the destination :) BKK-MEL On Thai Airways in Business.
I have never thought of flying as enjoyable. Flying is a chore. I heard someone say flying is like people on a cattle car. I fly to get from point a to point b. Train travel is more relaxing. Enjoyed your video - always enlightening
Put cushion on your bottom as this plane has no suspension.propd land nosedown n flare, bang b*lls!!. overhead compartment can't even fit a backpack in, so travel wise in hang carry. Happy flight!
Firefly is a bus (coach) company here in Australia, makes more sense as an Airline name than a bus company. l think you have sat in more uncomfortable seats than this one or do you think its top of the list? "Miserable ground staff"? Do tell. This is the first time l have seen a review of this route 👍
My bag was 7.6kg and she made a big fuss about it. Then when I needed to check it in they (at check in) insisted on checking every one of my devices in the checkin bag for the type of battery they had. Just a bit of a power trip for no good reason. Didn’t wanna make the video longer just to talk about that haha.
It’s insane to have 40 flights a day between two cities (capitals, on top of that) that are just 320 km apart. Have they never heard of high speed trains? This is an ideal case for one.
@@tfft Then I highly doubt they're clever and rational people, as 1°) they do have land for no less than 4 airports (!) + large roads everywhere, 2°) roads and cars are far less efficient than railways and trains in terms of space per traveller, so having little land available is one *more* reason to prioritize rail infrastructure, 3°) their land space is not finite when it comes to claiming ever more polders from the sea, 4°) Singapore already has a rail link with Malaysia, so running HS trains on it would not claim any more space, 5°) With just 2 km², Monaco has inifintely less space available than Singapore, yet it has an (underground) train station: I assume that the Singaporean engineers know how to build a tunnel, 6°) Tokyo and many more Japanese metropolises have tons of high speeds lines with an even higher population density than Singapore. For short, no one can buy this bogus "no space" argument.
I like their name, Firefly sounds snazzy! KLM once in a blue moon had a low cost subsidiary called BUZZ, loved that name too…much nicer than Transavia. Unfortunately that was a short lived adventure…..Thank you for the review!
those are military airbase and not for commercial flights. US officials do land at paya lebar air base many times before though, such as trump during the trump-kim summit.
not really. firefly, batik air, berjaya air and transnusa currently operate at this airport. there's gonna be sks airways, airasia and scoot launching flights from this airport in september.
I presume you've been in a moving car at some point in your life, right? The chances of dying in a car crash are 5 times higher than in a plane crash (0.23 vs 1.34 per million). So why on earth are you riding in cars?!? 😱
Subang Intetnational Airpirt was Kuala Lumpur's main airport (KUL) from 1965 to 1998, before the new Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) in Sepang was opened.
Sure was! Thanks for watching 🩴
I was a trainee pilot for about a year flying Cessna 152 from a school across that terminal you're in. Such memories! You don't realise how crowded the area around XSP is until you get airborne. When I piloted the aircraft for the first time, I panicked as I tried to land because I could not see the airport amongst the urban build up! Hahaha.... I'm actually old enough to remember Subang from pre-KLIA days. Its almost like Kai Tak terminal.
Awesome experience! Thanks for sharing ✈️
Firefly includes luggage in the airfare. For slightly more than the cost of a budget airline fare, that's a good deal if you have check-in luggage.
True! Thanks for watching 🩴
Thanks
Great review of Firefly, Kevin and welcome to Singapore!
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
As a Malaysian, I approve of this video. Keep up the good work!
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
This was a fun little review - and educational. An airline I never heard of flying between two airports I didn't know existed, on a route I hope to be able to fly someday. Thanks Kevin.
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
That was one of the smoothest landings I have ever seen, and I'm a pilot.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
what planes do you fly btw?
@@yhfhdcf I have flown Vulcanairs, Pipers, and Cessnas.
I love the little graphics you add in! Thanks for another cool review
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Very interesting video! Your reviews are always thorough and interesting. Thank you.
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Fun fact, i studied in a building which could oversee the airport, as the singapore youth flying club also operates there and uses that runway as well. Thanks for sharing on that flight, i would not have known about that, since i never saw any firefly planes landing there and usually private planes only. That airport used to serve berjaya air if i am not wrong, took a flight from there to somewhere else which I forgot.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
I dream myself flying this route but it’s quite difficult to me to get to these both airports. Love your review and thank you sm for adding maps. It helps me a lot to understand the route!!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching 🩴
Excellent video 👍 Really enjoyable. Love the boarding card for the information 🧡
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Being a Singaporean, its on my bucket list to fly this for sure.
Thanks for watching 🩴
Wow, never thought of firefly as one that serves snacks onboard. Plus, the airports it serve seem really convenient. I could see this being a much more convenient option for frequent travellers between the two cities... the type who works in one and flies home to other for the weekend. Other than the airports possibly being "too cheap" for them, i could see mh and sq serving this route as well!
This IS MH serving the route, they own Firefly lol. SQ doesn't have any turboprops to land at SZB.
@@tfft the mainline mh, i mean. But i didnt know subang is operationally incapable of handling jets, interesting.
Very helpful and interesting review. Once I stop working in the US I plan to be based in Kuala Lumpur and I'd peviously looked at both airports and the Firefly flight option. I'll live with the tight quarters on board for the convenience this offers transiting between these two cities. Cheers!
Thanks for watching 🩴
I just found out that there will be a Park Hyatt Kuala Lumpur opening sometime next year in Merdeka 118. Can't wait to see you cover that place because I'm sure you will someday!
Yes, but at the moment it's in my "I'll believe it when I see it" category as delays have been extensive lol. Thanks for watching 🩴
Very informative video. I noticed that you were sitting right next to the turboprop. How was the cabin noise level compared to a jet aircraft?
More than new generation jets, about the same as older generation.
Looking very nice an thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching 🩴
@@tfft You are welcome.
Seletar reminds me of paine field in Everett, WA ( especially now that Alaska is the only carrier there now). I do like the ATR, even though it has been 30 years since I've been on one.
I love turboprops as long as I can see the prop from my seat haha. Thanks for watching 🩴
Nicely done!
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
If I recall correctly, HKG also has pavers in the gate part of the apron, or at least used to. As always, nice work and keep the videos coming.
Hmm. Have never noticed that. Will pay better attention next time I’m there! Thanks for watching 🩴
I live in HK and I can confirm it’s has pavers on the apron
Good review. Bonus points for going through Seletar and for that HUD-like flight-stats graphic.
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Always nice to see a review of the XSP-SZB pair. They are a choice for people who wants nearer to the city transport from singapore - pity Changi booted them out in 2018 - your trip would have been much different.
btw the Firefly jets is the company's second attempt - the last time was back in 2011. this time around i think they are going at it a bit more sedately, and will focus mostly domestically.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
Must be the magic upload hour - you and all your colleagues all hitting upload together?!
Back then they try to do from KLIA on their jets (which absolutely lost to their full-service MAS and also Airasia). Nowadays, the jets focusing on the Penang as main hub and only use SZB in KL route as their ATR hub. Much more less covered route by their main full service one.
@apolloheliosphoebus Which is why I post 10 minutes before the hour.
CHangi was complaining that turboprops generate more turbulance in their wake compared to jets, so any aircraft following them has to stay further away, which strains the airport's capacity
Short and sweet flight, nice 😊
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Another great, high-quality video! Love it! Greetings from Czechia. I have a little question. What was better for you? EVA Air’s BC or Qatar Airways’ Qsuite?
I find EVA to be much more refined and consistent. Thanks for watching 🩴
Thanks so much for this. I'll be flying with them (on an ATR72) in November from Penang to Banda Aceh. I don't much like the aircraft either. But for $36 it's hard to complain. Looking forward to it of course.
Thanks for watching 🩴
Hi Kevin. I watch your videos and appreciate the extensive time and work you put into filming, editing and scripting. Thanks!
One note please... Your camera does quite a bit of strobing in two scenarios of any of your recent videos (I only began watching 6 months ago). In fluorescent lights the strobing is the worst! And sometimes in quick camera sweeps your shots are jittery/strobing (strobing: the lobby of the airport, jittery: off the plane in MY a shot panning right to left on the tarmac.) I'm not sure what either of these causes are. When I look at other RUclips travel vloggers -- I watch Dan and Dan and Oscar -- they shoot and edit exclusively on iPhones and I never see this issue. I wish I could give you some ideas where to look to fix this but I can't. Thanks for the hard work. :)
The strobing lights are a result of frame rate vs. light hertz/frequencies. In the past, it was easier to navigate as different countries use different hertz and so you could adjust your frame rate accordingly. Now a days with LEDs (99% of light strobing in my videos comes from LEDs) it is not as easy to predict when a different frame rate would be necessary. When I shoot hotel rooms I frequently need to shoot the same shot 5+ times to eliminate strobing since LED strobing is relative to angle and movement of the camera. In an airport, I don’t have the luxury of standing around and reshooting things multiple times.
All of my videos are shot on latest model iPhones as well. In all of my trip reports I film entirely freehand as to not attract attention with devices in hand, which causes stutters at times especially when I’m panning and walking at the same time. If I was using a gimbal or steady cam, it wouldn’t be there.
Great video - Jetstar used to fly into Selatar so I’m familiar with the airport and it does have definite advantages
Thanks for watching 🩴
Greetings from the Republic of Singapore 🇸🇬🙏
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Been watiting for this 😂
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Wow its so exclusive like a VIP complex. I will try it soon for my next trip to Malaysia..Maybe to Penang this time round.
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They also fly to Ipoh which is a pretty chill town with many good foods as well but the public transport will be lacking.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
Szb serves mainly business customers. You are right to say that it takes 1 hour to reach klia which at peak hours can take up to 1.5 hours. I would rather pay more for convenience and the ability to go 'last minute' intro the airport and be on time for a flight. I would choose changi for longer flights. I like the convenience...
Thanks for sharing ✈️
WHy is the Ramp Agent uin the blueprint mewing
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Love your pronunciation of Seletar…..
A master of languages I've never promised to be 😉
Hope you enjoyed Malaysia!
I always do! Thanks for watching 🩴
Thank You ✈️
Thanks for watching 🩴
Oh, ok, so we’ll see a BKK-MEL on TG business class on an A350!? 🤔😂
Great video as always, I love the ATRs, even with the tight config (well, I’m 5’5” 😂)!
Thanks for sharing!
No 😊, but thanks for watching 🩴
I’ve done a lot of firefly in and out trips on the same day - one thing that always gets me is how hot as hell the 5 pm flight is ; it always seems that the plane is out of aircond gas by that time and it can really be very uncomfortable . Also it seems firefly planes fly at a lower altitude and can be quite bouncy - frighteningly so at times during evening tropical thunderstorms - .
Assuming you're comparing to other jet aircraft... Firefly indeed do fly lower as Turboprops typically do, also giving you more of a turbulence thrill along the way haha. Thanks for watching 🩴
Absolutely love your unbiased content and trip reports! ✈ Request you to please visit Mangalore airport in Southern India...Please do a trip report from Dubai to Mangalore
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Can you tell the distance from Subang to KL city centre.
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I laughed so hard at 'Miserable ground staff'🤣
:) Thanks for watching 🩴
Actually this airport is 10 mins walk from my brother home ...When i visited in sep 2022 i spotted this Firefly ATR
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Hi Kevin, nice to see you feature Singapore's not generally well known 2nd airport, Seletar.
Thanks for this review by the way including FireFly, just a minor mention and hope you don't mind but Seletar is actually pronounced the following way, Sir-Lee-Tar.
Love your channel and unbias reviews, it truly makes my week watching and in some cases re-watching your videos, especially the ones featuring Phuket.
Hope you are intending to make some video reviews in Penang.
Not the first and surely not the last word I'll mispronounce on the channel haha. Thanks for watching 🩴
I didn't even know this existed. Always amazing when you find this little gems ✈️
Another great report - Thanks Kevin. I'm going to take a wild stab at the upcoming flight at the end of the video even though I have no clue about the destination :)
BKK-MEL
On Thai Airways in Business.
All correct except for MEL 😊 Thanks for watching 🩴
What you forgot is how does one get to city center from the airport? Taxi? Bus? Train?
Thanks for this video.
It’s Singapore… any of the above or Grab, easiest place on earth to navigate.
I'd go with this flight if I was flying btwn KL & Singapore.
A great option! Thanks for watching 🩴
Opened this just as I woke up from my nap , got hit by ATR's engines in the face during take off, Overall a good Sunday evening.
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I have never thought of flying as enjoyable. Flying is a chore. I heard someone say flying is like people on a cattle car. I fly to get from point a to point b. Train travel is more relaxing. Enjoyed your video - always enlightening
Flying (and being able to disconnect) is literally as relaxing as it gets for me haha. Thanks for watching 🩴
Seletar Airport was used to be an RAF base until the British forces left Singapore in 1971.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
Put cushion on your bottom as this plane has no suspension.propd land nosedown n flare, bang b*lls!!. overhead compartment can't even fit a backpack in, so travel wise in hang carry. Happy flight!
What now? The overhead bins fit my standard spinner bag just fine...
Going to The Datai Langkawi?
No :) You can always see where I'm going by following my community feed! Thanks for watching 🩴
If i am going to KL i would rather take from Seletar Airport as it lands at Subang Airport which actually closer to KLCC than the KUL airport
Firefly is a bus (coach) company here in Australia, makes more sense as an Airline name than a bus company. l think you have sat in more uncomfortable seats than this one or do you think its top of the list? "Miserable ground staff"? Do tell. This is the first time l have seen a review of this route 👍
My bag was 7.6kg and she made a big fuss about it. Then when I needed to check it in they (at check in) insisted on checking every one of my devices in the checkin bag for the type of battery they had. Just a bit of a power trip for no good reason. Didn’t wanna make the video longer just to talk about that haha.
How many passenger seats in this aircraft?
Not sure off the top of my head. Surely you could google it as quickly as I could ;)
It’s insane to have 40 flights a day between two cities (capitals, on top of that) that are just 320 km apart. Have they never heard of high speed trains? This is an ideal case for one.
I highly doubt Singapore has any motivation to sacrifice more of their finite land to a high speed rail facility.
@@tfft Then I highly doubt they're clever and rational people, as 1°) they do have land for no less than 4 airports (!) + large roads everywhere, 2°) roads and cars are far less efficient than railways and trains in terms of space per traveller, so having little land available is one *more* reason to prioritize rail infrastructure, 3°) their land space is not finite when it comes to claiming ever more polders from the sea, 4°) Singapore already has a rail link with Malaysia, so running HS trains on it would not claim any more space, 5°) With just 2 km², Monaco has inifintely less space available than Singapore, yet it has an (underground) train station: I assume that the Singaporean engineers know how to build a tunnel, 6°) Tokyo and many more Japanese metropolises have tons of high speeds lines with an even higher population density than Singapore. For short, no one can buy this bogus "no space" argument.
As an avgeek, its cool to watch a turboprop taxi on one engine. Its just not as evident with jets
Sure is!
I like their name, Firefly sounds snazzy! KLM once in a blue moon had a low cost subsidiary called BUZZ, loved that name too…much nicer than Transavia. Unfortunately that was a short lived adventure…..Thank you for the review!
Buzz does still exist though as the Polish subsidiary of Ryanair! Thanks for watching 🩴
no walkway covers! you just walk out onto the apron and go up the stairs
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Hey you should check out singapore's third airport in senai, jb, they have a 4 hour flight to China which looks interesting
I think MY may take issue with you giving away JB 😂
There are other secret airports in Singapore like Sembawang airport
those are military airbase and not for commercial flights. US officials do land at paya lebar air base many times before though, such as trump during the trump-kim summit.
Nice video...but Seletar is pronounced as something like "Sir..Lee-tar", and not "Salita". Hope that helps.
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여행 혼자 다니시면 외롭지 않으시나요?
On the contrary, I think it's the best way to travel :) Thanks for watching 🩴
Soon, SZB will be expanded and narrow-body jet engines planes will be allowed to flying in and out of the airport once again.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
Yo I have that airline
You own 'em?
its because NO OTHER airline is allowed into Subang KL other than firefly.
Its a pity.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
not really. firefly, batik air, berjaya air and transnusa currently operate at this airport. there's gonna be sks airways, airasia and scoot launching flights from this airport in september.
i would be dead scared to have a propeller spinning right beside me..
Why lol
seriously this is an airline's name?????????????????? Firefly 🔥 🔥🔥 good they didn't name it "CrashFly
…do you not know what a firefly is?
Who lives in Singapore bc I do
Around 6 million people I reckon.
14yrl old aircraft why use atr world's most dangerous aircraft in the world outdated and not modern why not use modern plsnes
I presume you've been in a moving car at some point in your life, right? The chances of dying in a car crash are 5 times higher than in a plane crash (0.23 vs 1.34 per million). So why on earth are you riding in cars?!? 😱