"THE TEAM SHOULD BE FINED TOO" - Andre Iguodala On The James Harden / Philadelphia 76ers Situation

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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
  • In this clip, Andre Iguodala talks to Evan Turner and JJ Redick about the James Harden vs. Philadelphia 76ers situation where Harden got fined for calling Daryl Morey a liar.
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  • @YOUNGMANANDTHREE
    @YOUNGMANANDTHREE  Год назад +46

    As always, check out the full show. Or don't. It's your life: ruclips.net/video/WkpPPxJbUIQ/видео.html

    • @gookiemonstr
      @gookiemonstr Год назад +2

      JJ, isn't the Ant Edwards discussion technically tampering..

    • @UNK-l5k
      @UNK-l5k Год назад

      You have to stop with the podcasts. You players like to revise history with you opinions and keep changing the real event that had happened. This is bad for the history of the league. Because in the future these podcasts could be the source of information of how we look at players.

    • @emilymesch7537
      @emilymesch7537 Год назад +1

      You know what? It is my life. I will definitely check out the full show, or I won't. It will be one or the other. I get to choose! It's my life!

    • @fr3ckmula782
      @fr3ckmula782 Год назад

      You inspire change. Thanks for leading the way

  • @fateriddle14
    @fateriddle14 Год назад +887

    Let me just say this, you're gonna invite Iggy back, constantly

    • @matthewroreilly
      @matthewroreilly Год назад +27

      @@DABEATBAKERZhe’s really good being a guest too though, like when joe Rogan goes on someone else’s podcast it’s kinda refreshing. Makes em relax I feel like since they’re on the other side

    • @K-Ruler94
      @K-Ruler94 Год назад +4

      These comments keep one upping each other 😎

    • @Michael-tc1dm
      @Michael-tc1dm Год назад

      Hopefully not. He's a race baiting coward. You're a millionaire that's out of touch who expects the same pay with less labor and views. You expect us fans to get behind a players that lives in the strip club and plays basketball as a hobby. Go away clown.

    • @MulletMike
      @MulletMike Год назад +1

      Are you telling him? Lol

    • @matthewroreilly
      @matthewroreilly Год назад

      @@K-Ruler94 you da man Kev dawg

  • @jefferrrson1x
    @jefferrrson1x Год назад +304

    Andre and JJ should be a duo. These two are MONEY when it comes to basketball coverage. Love Iggy man. He’s so knowledgeable w everything. Glad he’s still around. One of my fav players.

    • @miles6910
      @miles6910 Год назад +6

      man, i dunno. i had a really hard time following iggy's train of thought.

    • @bigdripbobz1072
      @bigdripbobz1072 Год назад +5

      I think iggy has the right opinions and stuff, but my problem with him is he runs in circles with his ideas, just takes him a while to get his point out. Then again jj and evan turner are of the same vreed and are doing successful, so what can I say.

    • @miles6910
      @miles6910 Год назад +7

      @@bigdripbobz1072 i suppose going by this one clip isn't exactly fair. he sounds like he's got points to make, but he seems to side track himself and not complete thoughts before moving onto other things. i guess that's what you mean by running in circles.

    • @daytonjohn777
      @daytonjohn777 Год назад

      Ya I didn’t understand Iggy or Turner at all

    • @dysonj3
      @dysonj3 Год назад +1

      We are witnessing just bits of why ppl like iggy (veterans) are big vital to a team even when playing minimum minutes.

  • @surenick3460
    @surenick3460 Год назад +205

    If I was a player I'd be very reassured to have Iggy high up in the players union. You can see he has some difficulties with what's going on but he knows they're all in the same corner. All professions need leaders like him.

    • @HumanOptimization
      @HumanOptimization Год назад +12

      he actually makes very little sense. i dont think he sees the big pic.

    • @macman6777
      @macman6777 Год назад +1

      agree, iggy is struggling to paint a story/answer that is clear - unlike turner & JJ@@HumanOptimization

    • @paquinraino8180
      @paquinraino8180 Год назад

      @@HumanOptimization what's te big pic, then ? real question

    • @robert-h2x
      @robert-h2x Год назад

      hahaha iggy is the sleazy atty you need. only good for his client but not the big picture. same as cp3...... thats why they union heads

    • @partycrasher9660
      @partycrasher9660 Год назад

      You’d be reassured unless you were Rudy Gobert then he’s cool with just throwing you under the bus for accepting generational wealth when it’s offered to you

  • @seanr152
    @seanr152 Год назад +13

    Evan was flabbergasted when JJ mentioned Rudy😂😂😂

  • @RonZucker
    @RonZucker Год назад +21

    Andre Iguadola is so thoughtful. Bring him back regularly. Loved this discussion.

    • @robert-h2x
      @robert-h2x Год назад

      hahaha

    • @k_hack9441
      @k_hack9441 Год назад +2

      He’s actually exposing himself on some topics. Badly…

  • @guppetto
    @guppetto Год назад +16

    I can't believe how much I've grown to like JJ Redick through the years. I hate Duke and he is the ultimate duke playwr. But he is also so funny. And he says the quiet things out loud and its so respectable. He fits in every space and can for the most part be himself. Thats enviable.

  • @Crypto_Circus
    @Crypto_Circus Год назад +11

    “Owners want to players and players want to be owners” - this is profound statement. Respect to Iggy for seeing this

    • @southbeachtalent
      @southbeachtalent Год назад +1

      20-25 years ago all NBA players wanted to be rappers and the rappers wanted to be in the NBA

  • @BengaIaas
    @BengaIaas Год назад +383

    Harden didn't get fined because he said they lied to him.
    Harden got fined because he said he won't play for that team.
    You can't just state that you intend not to fulfil your contract.

    • @sydguitar99
      @sydguitar99 Год назад +56

      Ok and teams openly admit that they wont play players and let them rot on the bench. The Rockets literally did that to Wall and they got no fine

    • @figo007tv
      @figo007tv Год назад

      not in this settings@@sydguitar99

    • @abouttime2569
      @abouttime2569 Год назад +74

      @@sydguitar99 John Wall agreed on getting benched though... It wasn't against his will

    • @sirjimssirjims9047
      @sirjimssirjims9047 Год назад +57

      ​@@sydguitar99horrible example. John wall offered to not play.

    • @sydguitar99
      @sydguitar99 Год назад

      He openly said he felt pressure by the org on various podcasts@@sirjimssirjims9047

  • @JJuiicceee
    @JJuiicceee Год назад +48

    Can never rely on these NBA players with podcasts to hold each other accountable

    • @Sean-lv5uy
      @Sean-lv5uy Год назад +14

      Facts, Andre thinks Rudy has done more damage to the CBA than Harden lmao

    • @itszirvah
      @itszirvah Год назад +5

      biggest problem with these podcasts is every one of them consistently agree with each other, do not call out anyone, rarely ever see the perspective from anyone but a players perspective

    • @oneshotprestige
      @oneshotprestige Год назад +4

      The current NBA has a culture of no accountability and all self-glorification. Harden is absolutely in the wrong, yet these dudes will side with him no matter what.

  • @timothybocker33
    @timothybocker33 Год назад +137

    Signing a contract, not fulfilling it, and expecting sympathy is crazy

    • @dreamcage1801
      @dreamcage1801 Год назад +8

      Damn right! Both maggots should honor their contracts. You light up you sign up!

    • @WoTMike1989
      @WoTMike1989 Год назад +10

      Where did he not fulfill his contract?

    • @ANGELOFDARKification
      @ANGELOFDARKification Год назад +12

      ​@@WoTMike1989He said he wouldn't play for the team didn't he?

    • @WoTMike1989
      @WoTMike1989 Год назад +16

      @@ANGELOFDARKification Nah, he said he wouldnt play for Morey because he lied to him. Which is an emotional thing to say but not a legally binding statement that he wont play out his contract. Which is why he is going to win in arbitration. Plenty of ways to interpret that statement other than "I, James Harden, refuse to play for the 76ers this coming season

    • @ANGELOFDARKification
      @ANGELOFDARKification Год назад +4

      @@WoTMike1989 I guess Harden's past doesn't help him tbf. Showing up to work not being in shape is technically also not fulfilling his contract. I don't really know enough about this particular Philadelphia situation though

  • @espycole2386
    @espycole2386 Год назад +78

    If James had absolutely been promised a max deal for multiple years from the Sixers then why would his camp spend half the season leaking about getting a max deal from Houston?

    • @epcarter6
      @epcarter6 Год назад +18

      Lol exactly that stuff started leaking around Christmas

    • @joshuaharris5032
      @joshuaharris5032 Год назад

      Probably a negotiation tactic. A lot of the time media outlets are used as mouthpieces for players or ownership or whoever wants to spin a narrative a certain way.

    • @therealallpro
      @therealallpro Год назад +2

      This guy gets it ^

    • @BigPurp9
      @BigPurp9 Год назад +4

      I mean you can never be too sure. I always just took it as him trying to maintain the level of bargaining power by showing he still had some other “offers” if the Sixers thought they could low ball him

    • @Fergus316
      @Fergus316 Год назад +1

      @@BigPurp9 Well, Houston showed him and the Sixers what his true market value was

  • @ob1710
    @ob1710 Год назад +1

    There's something about iggy that when he speaks on the game it's so informative and interesting like I can't explain it. I could listen to all his stories on the NBA, damn what a career

  • @therealallpro
    @therealallpro Год назад +8

    Reddick just proved that Harden didn't get fined for calling his GM. He got fined for saying he won't fulfill his contract.

  • @tenken73
    @tenken73 Год назад +3

    I’m glad they did this podcast. Evan’s funny asf. Dre’s a genius.

  • @sulmona55
    @sulmona55 Год назад +10

    Andre didnt even understand what JJ was asking him or didnt want to actually answer it.
    JJ said: " Do you think there was unintended consequences of the supermax"
    and Andre said " well the small market teams wanted it in the negotiations so they got it" Cmon Andre you KNOW what JJ was asking

    • @GoatPopsicle
      @GoatPopsicle Год назад +3

      Iggy is a current player & politician, saying what is true would get him fined to hell and back. That’s why he also could never verbalize, and just held his arm up, when JJ talked about not getting g fined.

    • @fredrahi7662
      @fredrahi7662 Год назад

      just a question, what would be the unintended consequences of the super max? I wasn’t really sure and iggy didn’t really give an asnwer

    • @GoatPopsicle
      @GoatPopsicle Год назад

      @@fredrahi7662 that players would just sign the supermax and still ask out, because the extra money came with no caveats. The owners thought they could simply buy their happiness; when even they aren’t happy with the league earning them billions a year in extra wealth.

    • @sulmona55
      @sulmona55 Год назад

      @@fredrahi7662 The unintended consequences are that because there is a cap in basketball if you have a player who makes up 35% of the salary cap unless he is a top 5 player it is almost impossible to be able to build a team around them. This makes it tough for the small market teams who have to overpay to keep their star player and then cant build around them. But players will NEVER EVER say another player was overpaid or that the supermax contract was bad because it put teams in a financial bind.

  • @gilligan9849
    @gilligan9849 Год назад +4

    Player empowerment is wild man

  • @CYimmer
    @CYimmer Год назад +158

    The players should lose their super max contract deal and revert back to a normal max when they leave the team that could offer them a super max. To make it easier for trading the super max should not be counted as a super max on the team’s cap. It should just be a normal max. This will probably help teams and give players more of an incentive to stay with the team that can offer you a super max.

    • @mrcoolguy2530
      @mrcoolguy2530 Год назад +9

      That would be great. Unfortunately, I think the nba players union has too much power. The owners need to act more like the nfl in my opinion (e.g., cut throat)

    • @shawncain882
      @shawncain882 Год назад +20

      Nah, I don't agree with your statement. You have to meet a certain criteria to even qualify for a supermax contract, that's collectively bargained between the owners and the players Union.
      So I don't think players should lose that just because they want to switch teams because they earned that supermax contract based on their performance on the court, regardless of what team they're on

    • @cbrown940
      @cbrown940 Год назад +2

      Solid point, worth debating.

    • @kenneth9338
      @kenneth9338 Год назад +10

      @@mrcoolguy2530owners act cut throat the players leave the nfl is a franchise driven league the nba is a player driven league

    • @realamerican8069
      @realamerican8069 Год назад +2

      No players want to play for a crappy teams in pos cities..

  • @jeremymuir4332
    @jeremymuir4332 Год назад +2

    I love hearing this kind of conversation. Makes me wonder what kinds of suggestions are made in respective NBPA meetings and owners meetings because it's much easier to believe the two sides are more antagonistic than collaborative.

  • @hearmeout5203
    @hearmeout5203 Год назад

    Iggy is a must. Definitely professional,profound, honest, behind the scenes knowledge, as well as chemistry with maby players in the league and most importantly relevant

  • @BenEnlet29
    @BenEnlet29 Год назад +13

    "Teams shouldn't trust the players, players shouldn't trust the teams" This is what's going on with Dame. He was told that they were gonna try everything in their power to put a competitive roster around him but every move dating back to the Josh Hart trade was pointing into a full rebuild. Which all culminated in them deciding to keep the pick instead of trading it and giving grant a big bag and that ultimately led to Dame requesting a trade

    • @ericyoshi2323
      @ericyoshi2323 Год назад

      I'm from Port he deserves to leave Portland we haven't tried getting any big players to help us

  • @wedabestradi096
    @wedabestradi096 Год назад +1

    Love these three together. Some fun basketball talk

  • @brianbrown4415
    @brianbrown4415 Год назад +1

    I do this at work press record when the supervisor/Owner of the team promises you stuff because it's always your word vs they word.

  • @PeteringYT
    @PeteringYT Год назад +57

    Iggy is not the best person to talk about this considering how he treated Memphis. They didn't fine him and Iggy acted like a brat threatening retirement and spoke to teams without Memphis' permission.

    • @chinoxSD
      @chinoxSD Год назад +5

      He has leverage

    • @JD-jz5gu
      @JD-jz5gu Год назад +3

      I mean, he was traded there a clearly didn’t want to be there.
      Harden literally signed the 1-year deal of his own free will.
      It’s 2 completely different situations

    • @ImGearsBeast
      @ImGearsBeast Год назад

      @@JD-jz5guharden begged to get out of Brooklyn now look

    • @Pro_Phill
      @Pro_Phill Год назад

      Iggy didnt have a supermax,, easy contract to move..

    • @thomasblank2353
      @thomasblank2353 Год назад

      @@JD-jz5gu Kelly Uber 20ppg cant do better than a vet min deal largely because of the new CBA. SO harden was looking at the new CBA rules sprung weeks before and suddenly he gets ghosted by 76ers management. Sorry, he singned because he had to given the weeks old rule changes that owners pushed through. What player did not see through that. Maxey has learned a ton about who he cant trust you can bet. Fans in a 40+ year drought are pissed off, but if this situation turns out in a mediocre work product players everywhere will take note. The players all know the bad owners and the better FA's are not going to want to play in philly given the 10+ years of drama and poor decision making.

  • @tonyshlean
    @tonyshlean Год назад +5

    Nothing made me forgive the Lebron move like when I heard they didn’t make the Amare Stoudimire move. Kobe gets Pau Gasol for free to fast track a chip and now Lebron gotta go to war with Hickson and 36 yr old Shaq. Against Dwight Howard and Kevin Garnett

  • @DavidBaggaShorts
    @DavidBaggaShorts Год назад +44

    JJ, with your experience as a 15 year player and now analyst and podcaster, how much is ever done quietly behind closed doors between the player and management? Does that stuff ever happen first before it becomes public? or is it always pretty public first like the harden situation?
    Keep up the great work! 👌🏽🏀

    • @abouttime2569
      @abouttime2569 Год назад +11

      I won't be surprised if owners and players do shady stuff on a regular basis.

    • @chrisneely3069
      @chrisneely3069 Год назад +4

      @@abouttime2569owners do for sure

    • @gram3060
      @gram3060 Год назад

      U thot u ate

    • @TheNickhammond
      @TheNickhammond Год назад +1

      With how close Harden and Morey were it’s obvious he found out the owner was reneging on his future contract that Morey promised him. They dont just blindly wait till the season end. They get reassurances along the way.

    • @abouttime2569
      @abouttime2569 Год назад

      @@chrisneely3069 players as well

  • @medjos
    @medjos Год назад +3

    What an ignorant comment from Iggy, Harden was fined because he said he won’t be part of the organization he just signed a contract

  • @1jo_nv
    @1jo_nv Год назад +1

    Evan is a troll. “I like you in a iso against Gobert” 😭

  • @Youngguy2024
    @Youngguy2024 Год назад

    JJ & Andre needs to be it’s own pod

  • @Headhunter_212
    @Headhunter_212 Год назад

    Props to the Set Designer. They’ll get you to 1M subs soon enough.

  • @arashmicaily6144
    @arashmicaily6144 Год назад +2

    This made almost no sense. Almost all of Iggy’s facts were wrong. James Harden isn’t a supermax player. He was on a 2 yr deal with a player option.

  • @antonexfranco
    @antonexfranco Год назад +1

    JJ said “I’ll name names, Rudy Gobert” and dude said 😯

  • @Chali_M
    @Chali_M Год назад +2

    Iguodala trying to take up for Harden, got the story all wrong. James didn't say he's a liar until a couple days after the Sixers put out there that he's no longer on the trading block

  • @team99sports86
    @team99sports86 Год назад +5

    I’ve always said that teams(front office guys) need to be held accountable for bad contracts just as much as players do. They can’t be signing players because their the next Lebron, then have their excuse when the player becomes B Simmons. Running a team(organization) takes talent too.

  • @Jry088
    @Jry088 Год назад +32

    Dude, it's the player's fault. We see guys requesting trades, and refusing to play, while still getting paid. It's hard to make a trade happen when there are only a few spots the players want to be traded to. Then when the deal doesn't go through the players will throw a tantrum and sabotage the team.

    • @jlui21
      @jlui21 Год назад +2

      -- players and teams should be fined if the player demands a trade. Someone messed up somewhere.
      So if a player doesn't want to play and is under contract, then he shouldn't get paid AND pay a (smaller) fine on top of it. The team? They can use some of the player money to offset their fine but will still pay a fine and/or lose a pick -- or get bumped down in their draft pick. IDK, just trying to figure out a penalty for every party.

    • @dreamcage1801
      @dreamcage1801 Год назад +1

      @@jlui21 players and teams need to be fined more

    • @TheNickhammond
      @TheNickhammond Год назад +3

      The problem is I think Harden was lied to a take a discount. Is that ok to do by the managers?

    • @Justicehillmusic
      @Justicehillmusic Год назад +1

      These owners OWN the team. How is it not their fault?!

    • @oneshotprestige
      @oneshotprestige Год назад +1

      Exactly. Harden opted in because he didn’t get the offers he expected. Now he’s mad the Sixers didn’t offer him the supermax? The market don’t lie.

  • @Mayancinnamon
    @Mayancinnamon Год назад

    this energy with Evan Turner is perfect

  • @wakojako512
    @wakojako512 Год назад +1

    ESPN should be hiring IGGY to replace PERK.

  • @MomTires
    @MomTires Год назад +5

    Is it just me or does literally the whole league, fans, players, owners hate Rudy Gobert? I get it but I thought he would have more defenders (pun intended)

  • @Ivander85
    @Ivander85 Год назад +14

    People keep bringing up Rudy Gobert like he offered that max contract to himself.

    • @ImBarryScottCSS
      @ImBarryScottCSS Год назад +10

      Ay, it's Rudy's fault for saying 'yes, please give me free money' like any of these fools would have turned it down.

    • @partycrasher9660
      @partycrasher9660 Год назад +1

      100% agree. They act like the expectation was to say “nah… I don’t deserve to have generational wealth”

  • @ydlee5888
    @ydlee5888 Год назад +18

    There's a difference between JJ Redick not getting fined when he called David Griffin a liar ad Harden getting fined when he did the same with Morey. These guys probably know what that difference is but are pretending to be ignorant. It's not that Harden called Morey a liar, it's that he said he's not goig to play for the team in public. Please stop the pretense to fit them into your narrative.

    • @TheNickhammond
      @TheNickhammond Год назад +1

      He said he won’t play for Morey

    • @springpojken
      @springpojken Год назад

      Thanks, agreed, but whats funny with andres gesture at 6:40? I want go get it and laugh, but cant figure it out!

    • @TheNickhammond
      @TheNickhammond Год назад

      Must be an inside joke. I didn’t get it either

    • @oneshotprestige
      @oneshotprestige Год назад

      It’s JJ, he says whatever he needs to so that people like him. Half of his tenure on ESPN has been him trying to put on a show.

  • @ANGELOFDARKification
    @ANGELOFDARKification Год назад +2

    "If I lied to you, I may be a liar in that moment but that may not be a liar"
    Wtf is Iggy talking about bro😂

  • @BrunoG03-Vichy
    @BrunoG03-Vichy Год назад

    Ok . First, I like this format. No huge argument or stupid arguments. Sensible and well thought out. Thanks!
    And I am French😂. I do not agree on everything Mr Iguadola says, simply because many players are overpaid, but owners are wealthy enough to handle the situation.
    Let’s not forget that the NBA is a league on its own. Players rules the roost….
    and often owners and players cancels each others on stupidity and disrespect.

  • @UNK-l5k
    @UNK-l5k Год назад +3

    This is the full reason as to why players should not have a podcast. They keep changing the narrative to favor to them.

    • @jeremymuir4332
      @jeremymuir4332 Год назад +2

      definitely some skewing, but Iggy is still sitting VP of the NBPA.... there's intentional bias.

    • @dreamcage1801
      @dreamcage1801 Год назад +1

      Players enable other players

  • @at0mly
    @at0mly Год назад

    I could watch Iggy and JJ talk about basketball for days.

  • @fr3ckmula782
    @fr3ckmula782 Год назад

    Fav. Player ever bro…we need you in ORL coaching !!!!

  • @IamTheSenate3
    @IamTheSenate3 Год назад +1

    The Rudy talk was some real ish. Its a terrible contract, but its not his fault.

  • @adamstewart247
    @adamstewart247 Год назад +1

    Iggy should be your co-host. He's media gold! Plus he has great style with his watches. You guys should do watch shout-outs like Hodinkee style. You both were on there separately

  • @dariusjones7006
    @dariusjones7006 Год назад +19

    No one should be sticking up for james harden

    • @chinoxSD
      @chinoxSD Год назад

      Not necessarily for him but for the future maybe...like let say a MVP caliber player wants a trade he should get it ..

    • @ImGearsBeast
      @ImGearsBeast Год назад

      @@chinoxSDhow many trades he want? Maybe he should win something first then demand

    • @realamerican8069
      @realamerican8069 Год назад

      @@ImGearsBeastwhen your skilled you can make demands!😮

    • @goodymob9638
      @goodymob9638 Год назад +1

      ​@@realamerican8069his skills are declined, and he's a 4th quarter choker...he doesn't have any leverage anymore

    • @Rigger_Please
      @Rigger_Please Год назад

      @@goodymob9638Clippers' front office seems to disagree with you, seeing as they traded for him. Perhaps you should apply to become the GM of a NBA team since you seem to know something they don't about player talent. (Harden is still a play-off choke-artist though)

  • @Revan-N7
    @Revan-N7 Год назад +22

    Andre is full of ish there, Harden was fined because he said he won't play. I get that he wants to protect his brothers but that's ridiculous.

  • @downtownred1731
    @downtownred1731 Год назад +2

    Iggy all wrapped up in his own word salad

  • @erikkuria8542
    @erikkuria8542 Год назад

    Tune in every time iggy is on the show

  • @icebear_
    @icebear_ Год назад +30

    What a trash take. Harden got fined for saying he will not play. Not for saying he was lied...

    • @nickjones5495
      @nickjones5495 Год назад +8

      He said he won’t work with a liar (Morey).. meaning he wants the sixers to rid of him. You thought you were being smart

    • @bradleyrodriguez305
      @bradleyrodriguez305 Год назад

      No, you thought you were being smart@@nickjones5495

    • @LegionOfEclaires
      @LegionOfEclaires Год назад

      ​@@nickjones5495 The Sixers do not have to fire him if they don't want to. This doesn't give Harden the right to refuse to uphold the contract...
      You thought you were being smart... lmao

    • @nickjones5495
      @nickjones5495 Год назад +1

      @@LegionOfEclaires who said they did? Boy get tf on

    • @GeeDee-yj7yd
      @GeeDee-yj7yd Год назад

      He signed the contract in good faith he was going to be traded not tricked

  • @djturner-smith6380
    @djturner-smith6380 Год назад +9

    I understand NBA players will be biased but on this topic they are completely disingenuous. The issue is players not playing and forcing trades and the owners still having to honor their contracts and pay the guaranteed money. These teams can't even get fair value for a player because other teams know he wants out. That would especially cripple a small market team. Seems like the players would rather stay on code than actually acknowledge why the owners are upset.

    • @lilaznballaz1022
      @lilaznballaz1022 Год назад +1

      Owners got the money, players are trying to defend themselves and change the business game cause like Andre said on the full clip, players are looked at as pawns to the owners.

    • @oneshotprestige
      @oneshotprestige Год назад

      @@lilaznballaz1022 don’t sign a contract you can’t uphold. It’s simple. The players sign and then get pissy when their employer doesn’t get rid of them for scraps in return. These players are all delusional and have 0 sense of how business works. The culture of NBA players now is anti-accountability.

  • @topherklimek2259
    @topherklimek2259 Год назад +1

    The mf'er opted in to his deal, then said he's going to refuse to play for that team right after, and the team should be fined for this? Iggy is out his damn mind.

  • @bcs1793
    @bcs1793 Год назад +7

    The problem is that the supermax was created to keep top players in small teams, but in my view that is not the main problem with the NBA today. The problem with the NBA is that teams do not have incentives to develop A TEAM - the only thing they can do is hope to draft a star and then build around him. But that's not how historically great teams are made - think of the warriors building the big three since they were drafted.
    A classic case is the Thunder. They had three young stars that could be together for their entire career and develop together. But in our current structure, it made more sense for Harden financially to be the top star in a worse team than to be the third or second best player in a top team. This makes it harder for smaller teams to keep their top players, and so KD left to the only team that could pay multiple stars well - which of course was a big team.
    We need to have drafted players not count towards the cap. It doesn't make sense that the warriors big three, drafted and developed in house, is treated the same as the big three that the nets had - just hiring three superstars together.

    • @Hooperd2023
      @Hooperd2023 Год назад

      You gotta speak English, the NBA world doesn’t understand FAX. 💯🔥

    • @tobiaslimberis9798
      @tobiaslimberis9798 Год назад

      Nothing but facts, nba doesn’t want to develop the players they have if they don’t fit whatever is the successfull team, which I think is ridiculous

  • @ricosolomon
    @ricosolomon 11 месяцев назад +1

    The Owners do not want to be players; Andre was misinformed

  • @katboss4886
    @katboss4886 Год назад

    I always learn from Andre. Love Point Forward!

  • @Sean-lv5uy
    @Sean-lv5uy Год назад +6

    Andre saying Gobert is messing up the CBA for the rest of the league whilst refusing to condemn Harden is laughable.... Hardens actions are much more damageable to future contracts in comparison

  • @bobbobby5541
    @bobbobby5541 Год назад +4

    The only thing I think players lack in commentary is that they refuse to acknowledge a player can be overpaid. The fans want to hear more of the business and in some places, the players don't live up to their contract or are a bad bet.

  • @je5406
    @je5406 Год назад +10

    James Harden said he was going to withhold services. Thats why he got fined. Too much pandering on this pod.

  • @mjt7231
    @mjt7231 Год назад +1

    Welcome to the real world of negotiation. People lie all the time. If it’s not written down and signed. Then it’s not a deal.

  • @wengz717
    @wengz717 Год назад +3

    Iggy pocket watching 👀😂

  • @nbarealtalker
    @nbarealtalker Год назад +3

    Nothing will stop general trade request antics but if a player or his rep publicize or can be linked to intentional leaks about trade requests and destination requests etc they should just be fined heavily in the millions. Treat the players like you would organizations for tampering. Nothing will stop the rumours and leaks will still run the media circus but players shouldn’t be talking about teams they wanna go to while under contract. Players can plan among themselves as friends all they want but the public spats need to stop.

  • @Yamas258
    @Yamas258 Год назад

    Wish we could’ve gotten one year with JJ on warriors

  • @ricosolomon
    @ricosolomon Год назад +2

    So Rudy Golbert cares too much or not enough.
    Pick one, Iggy

  • @laurensowilliams737
    @laurensowilliams737 Год назад +1

    That's silly. James Harden's bs is James Harden's bs. Everyone isn't culpable all the time, sometimes these gassed up players think to highly of themselves. This is not secret with James.

  • @MikeTheNBAGuy
    @MikeTheNBAGuy Год назад +1

    Yeah Iggy, except Harden wasn't lied too, and he admitted it. He was just throwing a public tantrum because that's what he does

  • @drewski8949
    @drewski8949 Год назад

    This combo w/ iggy🔥

  • @nellyville69
    @nellyville69 Год назад

    Andre is diplomatic

  • @YoQ-PHL
    @YoQ-PHL Год назад +1

    Harden got fined bc he said he wasn’t going to fulfill the contract HE chose to opt into. If The Sixers lied to you and you don’t want to play for them AND you’re a FA, why would you opt into a contract you don’t want? I love Iggy but he gotta hold his fellow players accountable because stuff like this is messing the league up

  • @drop9446
    @drop9446 Год назад

    Evan Turner was flabberghased when jj mentionned rudy

  • @JamereOfficial
    @JamereOfficial Год назад +13

    If it was any other player I’d probably side with them but harden has quit on 3 teams and gotten away with it. His actions are going to hurt player negotiations going forward and end up putting greater restrictions on future contracts. They fined him to lowkey help out the players in the long run

    • @javierlopez5479
      @javierlopez5479 Год назад +1

      Exactly!

    • @TheNickhammond
      @TheNickhammond Год назад +6

      So did Durant and Kyrie. The difference is we only hear it’s a problem when it’s Harden.

    • @kiryu2452
      @kiryu2452 Год назад

      I am so sick of idiots like you, seriously how do you live in this world being this dumb.
      Houston fired his coach and traded Westbrook for the corpse of John Wall. They gave up and Harden isn’t a coward like Dame, he wanted a title and he could see Rockets weren’t going for that anymore.
      Nets were unstoppable, even after Hardens injury they still would have been unbeatable but there was too much drama there. They hired one of the worst coaches in history and in the second year they didn’t put a good team around them which wouldn’t have mattered so much but Kyrie wouldn’t play. With Kyrie being an unknown and Durant being injured you should go back and look at who Harden was playing with. How dare you say he quit on them when he badly did his hamstring which should have kept him out for 3 months and he went out there on one leg, there was a serious chance he could have done his acl and he still went out there. There was also something wrong with that organisation since all 3 of their stars requested trades.
      Philly don’t deserve Harden, first Embiid let him down badly, he was awful in the play offs, really awful but no one wants to talk about that. Harden carried that team by himself and they refuse to give him the contract he deserves. They can also get anything for Maxey, he has so much value and they refuse to trade him. You could make a serious big 3 but Maxey is untouchable???? How dumb can a team be. Maxey is a decent player but he lacks so much and he will never be a superstar.

    • @StayTru101
      @StayTru101 Год назад +1

      @@TheNickhammondfacts

    • @mr.castle
      @mr.castle Год назад +1

      ​@@TheNickhammondWhataboutism is strong with you f00l. Irving and Durant has a lot of heat for the decisions, that doesn't excuse harden. Mor0n.😂

  • @cuisonte
    @cuisonte Год назад +1

    The rich people union, my least favourite part of NBA players. Specially when they care more for their superstars than the role players situation

  • @mcclintocksamuel05
    @mcclintocksamuel05 Год назад

    They said the players get blamed first and foremost. But talking as a lifelong 76ers fan, we don’t hate James Harden as much as we’re frustrated with the front office. The general consensus is that they don’t know what they’re doing. The other teams in the city act like they’re the big market they are but for some the 76ers always feel small time.

    • @thomasblank2353
      @thomasblank2353 Год назад

      if the fans know this and I expect they do, Imagine what the best prospective FA's know, inside scuttlebut. I am betting the 76ers organization is viewed as s dumpser fire tor a decade. Who actually wants to play there? Surely not Damian Lillard. Horrible player development, mostly bad coaches and drafting, and the fans run the players out of town in frustration. The Joel Embiid is this far along on his career and he doesnt make others better is a travesty. IF you want to run the offense through your best player he MUST be a good passer. He doesnt have to be jokic, a lamcus adridge level passer would make him the best player in the league. As it is he might be top 5. All the greats had to be good passers, the 76ers dont need a 7; kobe Briant, IF Embiid were a more skilled Tim Duncan, he would be a much better Impact. His passing vision needs work, not his one on two game.

  • @mcclintocksamuel05
    @mcclintocksamuel05 Год назад

    Iggy just throwing out that Friday reference haha

  • @JMOP1715
    @JMOP1715 Год назад

    Here to vote on the resolution to have Iggy as a recurring member of pod. My vote is, Yea.

  • @portthegoat4143
    @portthegoat4143 Год назад

    this is a great duo/trio

  • @troythompson2
    @troythompson2 Год назад

    Ok JJ. Every one of these clips 🔥

  • @nutmaster652
    @nutmaster652 Год назад +15

    Every time I hear Iggy talk I walk away feeling like I lost brain cells. How this dude is in any type of leadership role in the NBPA is mind-blowing lmao- everything he says here sounds so thoughtless. No wonder the NBPA got shafted in the CBA if this is the dude they trust to make intelligent decisions for them

    • @gabelouis
      @gabelouis Год назад +2

      Speaking like you know more about the NBA then a former player GTFO with that armchair coach

    • @user-ov7uv3wx6i
      @user-ov7uv3wx6i Год назад +1

      Fantastic take! I'm really glad someone had the guts to say this rather than heap praise and praise on Iguodala, when they really have no idea, like @gabelouis, who has no clue about anything and is clearly just a casual. Iguodala has experience, without a doubt, but he is an arrogant moron who cannot make anything close to an intelligent decision, like you said. No wonder the NBPA got crushed.

    • @macman6777
      @macman6777 Год назад

      it's not about knowing more about the NBA, it is about being able to coherently put together arguments so you can be more convincing in negotiation...@@gabelouis

    • @ANGELOFDARKification
      @ANGELOFDARKification Год назад +1

      Because the NBPA is just a bunch of men who want to support each other instead of being honest most of the time.

    • @StayTru101
      @StayTru101 Год назад

      Ludacris statement.

  • @markied2873
    @markied2873 Год назад +1

    Why would Philly be fined. Harden does to everyone. Philly isn't the first experience

  • @marcusroots5951
    @marcusroots5951 Год назад +2

    Why oubre and wood didn’t get 25 a year this nba 😂

  • @timstar28
    @timstar28 Год назад

    Even turner chiming in 😂

  • @taurusp11
    @taurusp11 Год назад

    To say there is no such thing as an overpay I believe is just not true, but iggy made some great points in this video

  • @dcsstephens410
    @dcsstephens410 Год назад

    The thing I hate about the Rudy argument is u can’t say he’s high impact but his team either doesn’t make the playoffs or loses in the 1st round. And in any of the most important games he has never been the player that made the defining moment of the game.

  • @thegoats20
    @thegoats20 Год назад

    Evan turner’s voice is wild lol

  • @johnrowland5922
    @johnrowland5922 Год назад +5

    Iggy's whole commentary seems based on the bad assumption that Harden was promised a huge deal in 2022. Harden had a legit bad season in 2021-22 and definitely looked like he was declining (esp in a terrible playoff loss to MIA), and the reporting last summer was 100% consistent that the Sixers weren't interested in offering him a long 4-5 year max. The idea that the Sixers promised that type of long deal a season later--a deal that would begin when he was 34 years old--is a non-starter for them. Would've been crazy of them to do that. If you factor that in, it makes at least as much sense to see Harden's paycut more as a big bet on himself: he thought he would show all the doubters that he was still a boss who could get any contract he wanted, and would also like look a good guy who cared about winning after some rough seasons in HOU and BKN. That sounds more like what James Harden would think than the following sounds like how Daryl Morey would think: 'we, a capped out team that's still short of contending, will destroy all of our short- and long-term flexibility to sign a declining James Harden to a massive deal that runs until he's 38 years old.'

  • @michacarolus6571
    @michacarolus6571 Год назад

    I always thought about why owners get the trophy before any player touches it. You would never see this in Europe happen.😮

  • @sirjimssirjims9047
    @sirjimssirjims9047 Год назад +14

    Iggy is acting like there is no possible way james harden is the one lying when we all know how he acts when he doesnt get his way. Wouldnt surprise me if james harden made it up to get what he felt he deserved.

    • @realamerican8069
      @realamerican8069 Год назад

      Stupid comment 😂 delete it!

    • @kaekae1782
      @kaekae1782 Год назад

      Crazy part is even if Morey promised him anything he would probably have it if he didn’t choke in the playoffs AGAIN. all this wouldn’t even be happening 😂

    • @sirjimssirjims9047
      @sirjimssirjims9047 Год назад

      @@kaekae1782 oh yea regardless of who said what there is enough blame to go around for both sides. Could have been handled alot better by the 6ers

  • @PhoenixPicks_
    @PhoenixPicks_ Год назад +1

    Nah f these players tryna get their money and refusing to play for their teams 😂. U players r employees for ur teams, if u don’t play u don’t deserve to get paid 😂

  • @Tehui1974
    @Tehui1974 Год назад

    Interesting last comment by Andre. I've never heard it said like that before.

  • @lthdy83
    @lthdy83 Год назад

    supermax should only activates with the original contracted team. it reverts to max contract team once traded

  • @imaginationplayground
    @imaginationplayground Год назад

    "I can't prove it but we know ot happened"
    This is why it writing or no dice, justice system would favor the best liars in this system

  • @bradyparker4001
    @bradyparker4001 Год назад +1

    Evan “Lil Yachty” Turner

  • @benw7367
    @benw7367 Год назад +1

    1:04 DAMN!
    1:06 Oh.

  • @gilfordmccormack8140
    @gilfordmccormack8140 Год назад

    I agree with Andre I most definitely prefer Wealth over fame.

  • @judithpierre3925
    @judithpierre3925 Год назад

    I have listened to ALL the Andre clips. Gotta listen to the whole podcast this weekend. ❤❤❤

  • @RunningAllTheTyne
    @RunningAllTheTyne Год назад

    It’s nothing to do with hardens contract. He opted into a deal then said he wouldn’t play for the team. I’m not surprised by iguodala’s take on this though considering he refused to play for the grizzlies and spent his time on the golf course picking up his salary though

  • @Burn-aye-doe
    @Burn-aye-doe Год назад

    JJ you and Iggy need to be co-owners of a franchise

  • @GeronimoPlaz
    @GeronimoPlaz Год назад

    I am so tired of players agreeing to contracts and then complaining like they're victims while making millions of dollars. Nobody forced anyone into that CBA or your individual contract. They make absolutely ridiculous amounts of money.

  • @滋榎本
    @滋榎本 Год назад +2

    It's a shame that James Harden couldn't win a championship with the Rockets.
    The 2018 NBA Playoffs Conference Finals was effectively the last game in which Harden had a chance to win a championship ring with the Rockets.
    That game was like watching the 2002 NBA playoff conference.