All ready to sing, Me and my Shadow, and you put on something else. Sneaky! Nearly as sneaky as your horsey. He's getting a bit keen. Gimme gimme gimme. Glad to see you are on it.
Macaronis like, ha ha HE HE ... the new kid on the block has training class ... I got to get my handler to get me out of the paddock so I can go roll around in the corral with the other guys.
Poor Roni, saying 'but I'm always a good boy...' new boy is just saying 'but, but, but... FOOD?...' but he needs to learn and the best time is now. Fascinating to watch, thanks
We can understand the necessity of good manners & no food agression. All things considered he's excited about the abundance & availability of "good grub" now, that by the looks of him he isn't used to!! Good job, though, setting him straight right from the start !!! He'll turn into a good horsey with manners !!! ("This restaurant is different than fighting for a small tuft of grass back home!")
Your videos on this new horse are so facinating! Please keep them coming. I like the way Roni is looking over at you both supervising the operation lol
He really is very friendly. You can read it in his eyes, so soft and kind. Just a matter of managing his instinct. You are so right : it's your food. He will be really beautiful once he has put on a bit of weight and muscles. His face is gorgeous. He reminds me of my late Douro without the white star. Same type of horse. From day to day, he is progessing, loosing a bit of his shiness. 😍
@@StableHorseTraining no problem , thank you Graeme ! It's a return into the past to see the incredible diferrence 👍 he is now a beautiful healthy guy 👏👏👏👏
It may appear that way as it's a commonly used phrase in the horse world, but it's very far of where my thoughts are or my intention. If I can help it I would make absolutely nothing hard for him and I'm simply just trying to change his mind through a series of steps to create draw. Nothing to do with easy or hard in this scenario and thought process.
I just want to say that having watched your channel for a little while now, that i have so much respect for your methods! I've learned a few things, but with unseasoned eyes, i do still miss a lot in noticing everything the horses I work with at an equine therapy center is telling me. So I have a question and maybe you will address it some time in the future if not to this comment - How do you handle a horse that has a small tendency to nip at you? Keep up the great work! And thanks for sharing!!!
Thank you very much! I'm sorry for the late reply. My answer to that is to have the horse step away from me to not give them the opportunity to be with me. In short time they learn if they want to be close then they have to be quiet. If they choose to leave I may ask them to come back and be close but not too close. I want them to be a friend but not a friend that touches me with their teeth. So I do my best to teach them that through direction.
@@StableHorseTraining thanks for the advice! Can't wait to try that the next time pablo get lippy(no teeth) with me again. She listens sometimes when I tell her to be gentle, others not so much.
It's simply setting up future rules to be consistently applicable. I wouldn't consider it negative training, but it would have been a waste of time up to that point had I given up.
I had one of my horses that was food aggressive and I would make her back out of my space and would make her stand until I was through putting her feed out. If she started toward me, I would run her out. She is very good now. She will back away from her feeder and stand without moving until I move away and tell her okay, you can eat. She was very food aggressive and would bump me before I trained her not to come in on me. She's also very stubborn, so it was not easy!
I was 16 and thought it was so cool that my 2 yr old stallion would run full force toward me when I had a bucket of grain and he stopped just in time. I remember standing still not moving away and trusting him to stop. Apparently that behavior was not cool at all. Duh.
Great question.. Sorry I didn't cover that in the video. It's really a case by case thing and I'm quite particular of where my eyes are. Sometimes they are straight on, plenty of times they are where I want him to be and sometimes they are just low. I'd say to work as hard as you can to have eye contact with the intent of care and reassuring the horse. If you have to make eye contact due to a stand off then prepare to be hard and only stay there as long as you have to. Our eyes, as I'm sure you understand, are incredibly important visual communicators.
Regarding the still runny poop: Depending on the reason behind that watery stuff (Kotwasser in german) some grounded psyllum husks might help a bit, as they can bind some of the water and by the way through the intestines also help smoothen other things out a bit. Also whilst shedding/getting new fur and maybe being a bit malnutritioned from the station where he has been kept it is not uncommon that a horse might develop some runny moments for a while... Those husks can be bought in bags, or in capsules, so they will have some retardation unless popping open.
I agree with this 100% my mom got kicked by a food aggressive horse while the horse was eating and it fractured my moms leg in 3 spots 5years later her legs still dented
what do you do when it's beyond this and the horse is pushing into you with their shoulder and very willing to get into a shoving match so to speak at the sight of food? A new horse has come onto my property (I do not own this horse) that is incredibly unresponsive to this kind of correction. She pushes though any correction and is downright intimidating and stressful. My other horses have been much gentler, and I was able to work with them with verbal cues and mild body language like you did here. I just need a way to stay safe. So much so that I feed her in my round pen alone by slipping the food under the rail. I was thinking of trying clicker training to see if a different approach would benefit.
@@StableHorseTraining I completely agree. I guess I was looking for confirmation. I've assessed her as a 'dull space horse'. Dull as in she absorbs pressure instead of responding to it so she's not sensitive and claims space constantly if you allow it. The amount of pressure to actually elicit response I deemed unethical and so we moved to a clicker which has seemed to help a bit. But after many sessions and minor headway, I have put my foot down with the owner and told them if they weren't firm on sticking with the safe practices I've been putting in place (which they weren't, so everything I was trying to teach was being undone) that they would have to take the horse elsewhere. I won't let myself be hurt, and I won't have my own horses bitten because this horse is being allowed to be unruly. I do see a positive change with the owner, their groundwork and handling, so that may have been it all along. As the saying goes, there's no person with a horse problem, but a horse with a people problem.
This is completely unsolicited advice and this video is already a year old, so feel free to ignore, but I would have given more pressure and have him actually turn away _and_ move away from you. Personally, I would rather say it once and have a result so I don't have to do that dance at the gate. Kind of like how if you ask a dog to "sit, sit, sit, sit, no sit, sit..." the dog will learn to ignore the word "sit". It could be helpful to bring a flag, a lunge whip, a rope, etc., whatever tool you're comfortable with to move the horse off your space. It's also safer than waving in a horses face.
Whatever makes you happy, do it. You're right though, your advice is useless here as I've evolved far past that. It's an archaic method to me. Yes, you'll get the result you want but definitely not the one I want.
@@StableHorseTraining Do you have any recent videos that show how your method has changed/progressed? Also, if you don't mind explaining what the "result" is that you're looking for?
@@emilka2033 I don't think I have any recent, you'd have to look back years and years maybe when I would think to carry around a weapon to be "safer" for a horse that never needed it in the first place. I'm not looking to put fear in horses and the mindset of the human is one of placing the fear in the horse that we have in ourselves. Hence the need for a stick despite the horse not needing it. Recognizing that is VERY hard for many many people due to the pervasiveness of people showing and suggesting carrying around a weapon to use instead of evolving. Incredibly typical classical horse training. Not that I don't agree with the idea of carrying something around a horse that is dangerous, but too many horse become dangerous because humans are dangerous to them. Archaic.
You could probably watch my most recent series where I see if a horse will take carrots out of my pockets. I did it with all 7 horses here in 7 different videos. No weapons required and a far superior relationship with the mindset change than I ever would have had in the distance past.
@@StableHorseTraining Yes so true, many horses become dangerous because people mishandle/misunderstand the situation. Unfortunate that you see these tools as weapons (although there are many people who do use them this way so I understand) because I find they clarify and improve my relationship while using them. I use the tools as an extension of my hands - I would never strike a horse with my hand so I wouldn't with any equipment either. That would warrant an extreme situation that I haven't been in yet, thankfully. I will, however, touch and give cues as I would with my own hands. For example I have a lunge whip with a little bright tassel to catch their attention and direct them to places. I use it more as a flag than a lunge whip honestly - I find that the flags themselves can be a little too scary for some horses. I will be looking into those videos to see what I can learn!
All ready to sing, Me and my Shadow, and you put on something else. Sneaky! Nearly as sneaky as your horsey. He's getting a bit keen. Gimme gimme gimme. Glad to see you are on it.
He threw a little tantrum....what a persistent boy. Well done!! And I love how he followed you around for clean-up.
that was pretty cute!
Macaronis like, ha ha HE HE ... the new kid on the block has training class ... I got to get my handler to get me out of the paddock so I can go roll around in the corral with the other guys.
Wow!! Amazing how you discipline, love and reward. People tend to think discipline is wrong but it’s guiding to the right choices
Well said!
Love AND limits-works with kids too.
Thank you!
Thank you for rescuing him. He is a treasure, seriously!!❤️🌻
Poor Roni, saying 'but I'm always a good boy...' new boy is just saying 'but, but, but... FOOD?...' but he needs to learn and the best time is now. Fascinating to watch, thanks
Thank you Sue. Glad this was a good one 😊
Enjoy watching how you work with this handsome guy. Again Thankyou for sharing. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Love the jazz-love that horse! Love Roni Macaroni too!
Coming along nicely!🌹👍🏻
A really great lesson. So much going on then. Brilliant, thanks Graeme. No ropes, no tack, no sticks, no shouting. That's the way to do it 👏👏👏😊
Thank you very much Val 😊
Is this Mr Wilde? This horse really needed some nutrition for sure. Thanks for sharing your video with me again. Stay safe, Vickie
Yes, he was very thin when he showed up.
We can understand the necessity of good manners & no food agression. All things considered he's excited about the abundance & availability of "good grub" now, that by the looks of him he isn't used to!! Good job, though, setting him straight right from the start !!! He'll turn into a good horsey with manners !!!
("This restaurant is different than fighting for a small tuft of grass back home!")
Sorry I missed this! Yes, he's doing really well adfmd hasn't gone backwards for this. I agree, this restaurant has rules!
Your videos on this new horse are so facinating! Please keep them coming. I like the way Roni is looking over at you both supervising the operation lol
He really is very friendly. You can read it in his eyes, so soft and kind. Just a matter of managing his instinct. You are so right : it's your food. He will be really beautiful once he has put on a bit of weight and muscles. His face is gorgeous. He reminds me of my late Douro without the white star. Same type of horse. From day to day, he is progessing, loosing a bit of his shiness. 😍
Rolling back to some old videos in prep for a new one I see I forgot your comment here! Sorry about that. You were right look at him now!
@@StableHorseTraining no problem , thank you Graeme ! It's a return into the past to see the incredible diferrence 👍 he is now a beautiful healthy guy 👏👏👏👏
Your making the wrong answer harder but making the right answer easier
It may appear that way as it's a commonly used phrase in the horse world, but it's very far of where my thoughts are or my intention. If I can help it I would make absolutely nothing hard for him and I'm simply just trying to change his mind through a series of steps to create draw. Nothing to do with easy or hard in this scenario and thought process.
That was really interesting. Thank you for sharing.
So interesting! I wish I was as perceptive as you in catching what he's doing so quickly. But I did kinda enjoy seeing him get a little feisty.
My Husband absolutely Love’s jazz!
Actually read the bit right under the video. So amazing what you're doing! Will donate next time I can afford it.
Thank you very much!
Very useful to watch thank you.
You did great and he learned well! I'm loving seeing your process of "starting" a new horse!
Thank you Ayeda 😊
Love your choice of Jazz!!! Way to go!
Thanks!
I just want to say that having watched your channel for a little while now, that i have so much respect for your methods! I've learned a few things, but with unseasoned eyes, i do still miss a lot in noticing everything the horses I work with at an equine therapy center is telling me. So I have a question and maybe you will address it some time in the future if not to this comment - How do you handle a horse that has a small tendency to nip at you?
Keep up the great work! And thanks for sharing!!!
Thank you very much! I'm sorry for the late reply. My answer to that is to have the horse step away from me to not give them the opportunity to be with me. In short time they learn if they want to be close then they have to be quiet. If they choose to leave I may ask them to come back and be close but not too close. I want them to be a friend but not a friend that touches me with their teeth. So I do my best to teach them that through direction.
@@StableHorseTraining thanks for the advice! Can't wait to try that the next time pablo get lippy(no teeth) with me again. She listens sometimes when I tell her to be gentle, others not so much.
He trusts you that is something fantastic.
I can see how leaving the food before he became calm might be negative training, and make things even tougher later on.
It's simply setting up future rules to be consistently applicable. I wouldn't consider it negative training, but it would have been a waste of time up to that point had I given up.
He did good!
I had one of my horses that was food aggressive and I would make her back out of my space and would make her stand until I was through putting her feed out. If she started toward me, I would run her out. She is very good now. She will back away from her feeder and stand without moving until I move away and tell her okay, you can eat. She was very food aggressive and would bump me before I trained her not to come in on me. She's also very stubborn, so it was not easy!
You definitely have drae!
I was 16 and thought it was so cool that my 2 yr old stallion would run full force toward me when I had a bucket of grain and he stopped just in time. I remember standing still not moving away and trusting him to stop. Apparently that behavior was not cool at all. Duh.
Yup, that's pretty crazy!
Now are you starring in his eyes while telling him to back. Or keeping pressure off looking at his side? I want to make sure I’m doing it right
Great question.. Sorry I didn't cover that in the video. It's really a case by case thing and I'm quite particular of where my eyes are. Sometimes they are straight on, plenty of times they are where I want him to be and sometimes they are just low. I'd say to work as hard as you can to have eye contact with the intent of care and reassuring the horse. If you have to make eye contact due to a stand off then prepare to be hard and only stay there as long as you have to. Our eyes, as I'm sure you understand, are incredibly important visual communicators.
@@StableHorseTraining thank you !!!
Regarding the still runny poop: Depending on the reason behind that watery stuff (Kotwasser in german) some grounded psyllum husks might help a bit, as they can bind some of the water and by the way through the intestines also help smoothen other things out a bit. Also whilst shedding/getting new fur and maybe being a bit malnutritioned from the station where he has been kept it is not uncommon that a horse might develop some runny moments for a while...
Those husks can be bought in bags, or in capsules, so they will have some retardation unless popping open.
Thank you for this advice. He turned out in the end but I'll keep this in mind.
I agree with this 100% my mom got kicked by a food aggressive horse while the horse was eating and it fractured my moms leg in 3 spots 5years later her legs still dented
I remember you telling me about that, that must have been horrible. I hope she's all better outside of the dent.
@@StableHorseTraining she is thank you
Would it have been useful to ask him to go all the way to the other side from the beginning?
Perhaps, but I have to let him try to see what he'll do. It's case by case many times.
what do you do when it's beyond this and the horse is pushing into you with their shoulder and very willing to get into a shoving match so to speak at the sight of food? A new horse has come onto my property (I do not own this horse) that is incredibly unresponsive to this kind of correction. She pushes though any correction and is downright intimidating and stressful. My other horses have been much gentler, and I was able to work with them with verbal cues and mild body language like you did here. I just need a way to stay safe. So much so that I feed her in my round pen alone by slipping the food under the rail. I was thinking of trying clicker training to see if a different approach would benefit.
I would protect my space at all costs. There is no leeway for a horse that doesn’t understand my space is the most sacred ever.
@@StableHorseTraining I completely agree. I guess I was looking for confirmation. I've assessed her as a 'dull space horse'. Dull as in she absorbs pressure instead of responding to it so she's not sensitive and claims space constantly if you allow it. The amount of pressure to actually elicit response I deemed unethical and so we moved to a clicker which has seemed to help a bit. But after many sessions and minor headway, I have put my foot down with the owner and told them if they weren't firm on sticking with the safe practices I've been putting in place (which they weren't, so everything I was trying to teach was being undone) that they would have to take the horse elsewhere. I won't let myself be hurt, and I won't have my own horses bitten because this horse is being allowed to be unruly. I do see a positive change with the owner, their groundwork and handling, so that may have been it all along. As the saying goes, there's no person with a horse problem, but a horse with a people problem.
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My 7 montb pony is kicking up at us when we feed her grain
This is completely unsolicited advice and this video is already a year old, so feel free to ignore, but I would have given more pressure and have him actually turn away _and_ move away from you. Personally, I would rather say it once and have a result so I don't have to do that dance at the gate. Kind of like how if you ask a dog to "sit, sit, sit, sit, no sit, sit..." the dog will learn to ignore the word "sit". It could be helpful to bring a flag, a lunge whip, a rope, etc., whatever tool you're comfortable with to move the horse off your space. It's also safer than waving in a horses face.
Whatever makes you happy, do it. You're right though, your advice is useless here as I've evolved far past that. It's an archaic method to me. Yes, you'll get the result you want but definitely not the one I want.
@@StableHorseTraining Do you have any recent videos that show how your method has changed/progressed? Also, if you don't mind explaining what the "result" is that you're looking for?
@@emilka2033 I don't think I have any recent, you'd have to look back years and years maybe when I would think to carry around a weapon to be "safer" for a horse that never needed it in the first place. I'm not looking to put fear in horses and the mindset of the human is one of placing the fear in the horse that we have in ourselves. Hence the need for a stick despite the horse not needing it. Recognizing that is VERY hard for many many people due to the pervasiveness of people showing and suggesting carrying around a weapon to use instead of evolving. Incredibly typical classical horse training. Not that I don't agree with the idea of carrying something around a horse that is dangerous, but too many horse become dangerous because humans are dangerous to them. Archaic.
You could probably watch my most recent series where I see if a horse will take carrots out of my pockets. I did it with all 7 horses here in 7 different videos. No weapons required and a far superior relationship with the mindset change than I ever would have had in the distance past.
@@StableHorseTraining Yes so true, many horses become dangerous because people mishandle/misunderstand the situation. Unfortunate that you see these tools as weapons (although there are many people who do use them this way so I understand) because I find they clarify and improve my relationship while using them. I use the tools as an extension of my hands - I would never strike a horse with my hand so I wouldn't with any equipment either. That would warrant an extreme situation that I haven't been in yet, thankfully.
I will, however, touch and give cues as I would with my own hands. For example I have a lunge whip with a little bright tassel to catch their attention and direct them to places. I use it more as a flag than a lunge whip honestly - I find that the flags themselves can be a little too scary for some horses.
I will be looking into those videos to see what I can learn!