I feel like each intoner is a reflection of Zero’s inner thoughts before she was cursed with the flower. Five reflects her longing for adventure. Curious of anything enjoyable, searching for material things to make her happy. And those things were denied to Zero as a little girl, and she fantasized about the pleasures of the outside world beyond the brothel she was sold to. Four reflects self-hatred and a desire to be loved by society. She feels she has to be perfect to be valid and acceptable to others, to be better than them to feel equal to them. Given that Zero was abused by her mother and was sold into child prostitution, she probably felt that if she wouldn’t have been sold and abused if she were a perfect little girl. Her perfectionistic attitude may reflect how she needed to behave in the brothel in front of the other children. Her hatred for her mother surfaces when she takes it out on the elves. Her moral compass is black and white because society portrays morality as black and white, and she wouldn’t be abused and would be loved if she was morally perfect. Three reflect’s Zero’s interest in philosophy and morality. Childish in demeanor, like Four, but asks questions about why certain things matter more than others. Turning soldiers and people into dolls/soldiers may show that Zero longed for control over her situation. It also suggests she wanted to protect the other abused kids in the brothel, because full control and possessiveness could also be considered a twisted way of trying to protect people. Three also refers to her creations as her “children”, saying that Zero wanted to protect the kids and herself. Also, in the Japanese version of Zero, Zero sees herself more as a mother-figure of the intoners rather than a mean big sister in English, so Three seeing herself as a mother to her creations is fitting. Two reflects Zero’s longing for love and family. Two had a lover and raised orphanages, suggesting Zero fantasized about creating orphanages that were safe for children, when her orphanage clearly wasn’t. Lovers also tend to be the objects of rescue fantasies as well. One reflects Zero’s longing for companionship (hence the creation of One’s brother.). But Zero couldn’t rely on other people, and only herself, so One literally created another of herself to rely on instead of getting a disciple. Both One and Zero put aside their longings in exchange for duty, but those longings were still there.
So we just going to ignore Three's psychopathic habits like turning her soldiers into monsters, dragging out families of villagers and slaughtering the children in front of the parents for glee and excitement, putting human souls into armasiel (probably forcefully extracted as always), etc. Everyone else is fine but I think Three represents Zero's loneliness and apathy towards most things in life (Zero had/has a similar apathy to people's lives as three except three does it for cruelty). As One states, Four wants honor, Two wants romance, Five wants sex(what she desires), but Three desires cruelty. There's moral compass is near non-existent, there's even theories that she's responsible for what happened to two (turning the kids into humunculus as the song of the intoners turning people into monsters is unheard of unless intentional. At best they get turned into zombies).
@@zanemiracle6121 Where's the proof that Three turned the kids into the humunculus? It's implied that the power of the flower's song (and the flower itself in retrospect), did that.
I'm not so sure about Five and One. They may have been more of a reflection of whom they were based off of. All of the girls reflected some part of Zero's human life. In the Drag-On-Dragoon 3 sidestory, Zero takes a moment to try and figure out if she recognized any of the sisters. She didn't recognize the faces of Two, Three, and Four. But she did recognize Five and One's faces: -Five shares the same face of a nun Zero killed (I think it was when Zero was raiding a convent or an abbey). So right there you can take a guess where Five got her desires from; in her human life she was deprived of literally everything she sought out as an Intoner. I wouldn't be shocked if the nun Five looks like had the same deep desires but couldn't act on them. And here's the kicker: Five's spear looks like a cross. -One is 100% based off of a human girl that Zero met shortly before they both passed away. In Zero's novella, we see her in jail for her numerous crimes of manslaughter. She's slowly dying from some plague or another that she caught. While she was there, five girls joined her in her cell. They had attempted to rebel against their oppressive lord. But they were arrested before they could even pick up their weapons. All five of them were tortured viciously and then dragged out in the square to be placed on display and die very slowly. Zero was also tied up in the square alongside the girls. The girl One was based off of was the rebel leader. The poor girl had her fingernails ripped out and I'm pretty sure her eyes were taken from her as well *shudders.* The leader was tied up next to Zero and kept saying as her dying words, "What we did was right." And lo and behold, One is the one leading the sisters on a crusade to overthrow *all* of the corrupt lords to make their world a better place. You are close with Four though. In the same side story where Zero recognizes Five's face to be that of a nun she killed, she reflects that Four might have represented the dignity and pride that Zero tried to cling onto in the brothels when she was younger. (Which means Four also represents the side of Zero that hates both the world and herself).
@@beckyweiss6072 I said there are *theories* . Not that it happened. The reasoning being, intoners songs have not shown to unintentionally change the very composition of a person. At worst it turns people into zombie like states as with One (Brother and Sister), Three (after her song effects wore off her soldiers in branch B), Two on her soldiers, etc. There is evidence that an Intoner can intentionally mold a being into another. Like 3 with her creations such as morphing a human into a gigas. Or as in her memoir, morphing a human into a cyclops. Apparently Three's song plays briefly before entering the citadel but I haven't replayed to hear it but that's weak evidence for that reasoning though. Cent also notes that he doesn't know why the children were affected. Cent did note that he wanted to make stronger soldiers but using it on kids would be against his character. Three is also the only Intoner (in drakengard 3) to gleefully kill children and turn them into monsters. Such as with the Gigas, no other intoners intentionally does that. Even three notes it takes work. The land of forest doesn't have an infinite human supply. So Three could venture off to create new monsters; she's amoral enough to pick kids. After all her dolls are full of human souls and in the memoir she actively tried "dolling up" her soldiers. Turning them into monsters and such. If an Intoner needs to intentionally create a monster as Three states, Cent only wanted to boost soldiers, Cent couldn't have boosted the kids, unless the soldiers can use Intoner song themselves...given their state highly unlikely. That's the primary reasoning why three is suspected. Also on the humonculus' page it says it was by "an intoner's song" it doesn't list Two as the culprit in particular. There is possible counter evidence. If Three did it, then why wouldn't the children mention it? Of course Three is a crafty being so she can guards but the kids? Well above I said three said it takes work but she was referencing perfecting her creations. She implies that she can just "turn them on the spot" if she so chose so she could've done it quickly. The kids were most likely more focused on two anyway to "snitch" on three. Wanting their "Auntie" to save them. Note the same is true that they didn't blaim two in rage or cent saying "you did this to me" along those lines.
God I love Four. She’s a beautifully hot mess with enough psychologically baggage that Freud would have a field day and I love her for it. (Plus she has my favorite design of all the sisters barring Zero.) Also I love how this DLC is also “Decadus Being Gross For 62 Minutes” Also also I love how the dragon is the voice of Reason and the “What The F*ck Is Wrong With Every Single One Of You” audience surrogate.
I love four. Her blatant hypocrisy, vanity, jealousy, and multiple complexes are genuinely well written and put her on a pedestal above her sisters for me. The irony just seeps through every minute of this dlc and it is hilarious
I heard that Four's Prologue was done that way in large part after the character popularity poll in Japan landed her in 2nd place, just after Mikhail, who won, and ahead of Zero, who was 4th. After that, Yoko Taro decided he made her too sympathetic and used the prologue to redress that. All those people doing an 180 on Four's character from the base game to the Prologue and starting to call her "worst Intoner" or whatever a real testament to his powers of emotional manipulation.
She embodies what young innocent girls are like, highly protective of themselves and acutely aware of themselves and those around them yet still moldable In their morals, but being in a clearly twisted situation it’s obvious she shows how that manifests into cruelty. Both to her and from her. the progress from self assurance to self hatred as a progress from morally upright to morally twisted towards a world that hates self protective young girls. Wanting them to be a certain way especially towards the opposite sex(being uninhibited). We can see this juxtaposition in zero herself, she hates four for this possibly because deep down she still has this part to her, a part to her that wishes she wasnt so uninhibited but she’s apathetic to herself as a woman because well her surroundings forced her to be. It’s quite interesting how she shows this. Four is the saddest for this reason. It’s the child forced to be a prostitute. Can we imagine what changes that brought to zero?. Society(mainly men) normalizing the dynamics,Forcing them to like the sex abuse, like the men doing the abuse, and hate themselves for having standards or ever having thought they could have this dignity or deserving of any self respect. When they say no they’re a prude or cruel. This narrative is so obviously fed to zero because no girl would ever come to such a conclusion on her own. Denying Of any exclusivity and control. She wanted a typical fairytale love. Cuz you know she’s a ‘shoujo’. Fours cruelty makes the most sense. It’s the internal struggle of becoming an evil you so wanted to Protect yourself from becoming. It’s the giving in to madness but still trying to fight it. It also explains her jealousy and all that. It’s just like that for little girls, being jealous of those who seemingly don’t have this internal struggle and do as society says without hating themselves. She wants to be like them but at the same time not. She’s not like other girls but she wants to be. Because well society rewards those girls. Wanting to be part of the group and be praised and loved. But still struggling with it because clearly they exhibit points that she doesn’t like. She wishes she wasn’t like that. She punishes others but herself too by enacting the very evil she hates. Honestly Four is the most interesting of the bunch that’s for sure. It’s the girl everyone hates. She hates herself too, literally times 2. She embodies the self hatred, and self punishment yet honor and pride for oneself. We all have something like that don’t we?
More than the elves incident itself, Gabriela's senses confirm that Four is fucked up to the core despite her sweet appearances. I like Four as a character, it's so interesting how her truth uncovers in the DLC. She seems to secretly despise everyone and everything except One. I think it's odd that Gabriela helped her carry that out. Granted, Gabriela is a dragon who's probably indifferent to what happens to lower ranked beings. But she did feel bad and was aware that Four's doing is a crime that goes against One's wishes to create a peaceful world.. so it just didn't make sense to help her.
Its funny cause she doesnt hate One only because she feels kinship with her. Theyre both rational level headed leaders with big brains and small tits. Thats what Four thinks anyway or wants to think. She secretly hates herself and feels inferior to every one of her sisters. Its even implied that she WANTS Decadus to hit on her and even force himself on her because that would make her feel irresistible like Five, loved like Two, delicate like Three, and yet still virtuous and humble like One. Decadus being both a decent person and hopeless submissive never follows up on that which is why she resents him.
She actually likes two, if you read her memoir compared to her other sisters even while under the flower's influence, two got off "easy". Her only complaint was that two was dating her own disciple 😅. She likes one as well because they both try to be rationale. Four however feels inferior to her sisters in different regards. To find a way to stand out she does the virgin intoner role. Four's approach to things is similar to One's, submit or die. Although allegedly four tries to talk her way out of it but ends up cutting the guys down instead (which makes sense if you were in her position). Four is definitely not innocent though as even in her novella and in One's novella it's noted that four can't handle complex situation. She either explodes or sulks which is why One made her in charge of the land of mountains (a simple task). Although in fairness to four Five was continuously pushing her and mocking her, so her anger is reasonable. I think four is probably the most realistic intoner. Which is why I think she gets so much hate. Four is envious of her sister but only five per her weapon's story wants to have everything her sisters have or well in four's case "what she hasn't lost yet".
@@KOTEBANAROT That's exactly what it is actually. Four keeps waiting for Decadus to take the initiative, but he never does. So Four gets even more disgusted and gets even more uh....creative. And she forces Decadus to sit outside her room at night so he can listen to Four get uh...creative, in taking care of her own needs. Maybe there's a hope that Decadus eventually wouldn't be able to resist.
@@zanemiracle6121 I think Four is hated the most because she's a genocidal racist piece of shit. Doesn't matter that the Elves were pirates. They didn't want to attack and were fleeing. Any of the pirates that had been intent on defying the Intoners were probably all dead. If they rose up in rebellion... oh well I guess. The point is at the time, the Elven pirates were truly innocent. All they wanted to do was flee and avoid being slaughtered after they were so heavily defeated. Kinda gives you pause, doesn't it? And I think it's supposed to. Here are a group of beings that you would think are violent...but at the time Four and Gabriella attacked them, they weren't violent at all. They were running away to live. Who knows, maybe they actually wanted to live out their lives in peace. And frankly, if Four wasn't a genocidal racist piece of shit, then I'd agree with you when you say that Four is the most realistic intoner. Her insecurities hit home for me to some degree, but all of that relatability is wiped clean away the moment she started slaughtering the Elven pirates....*and* after I realized that she was probably using One's orders as an excuse to kill so many soldiers. It's why Four is the actual worst, and it's why I suspect a lot of people feel the same as me. When Two and Cent ran into soldiers that were on their last legs and trying to resist, her reaction was far more sincere. More importantly, I don't think Two and Cent would have actively sought out those men to kill them. They both expressed surprise at the sight of them.
@@beckyweiss6072 Who did she genocide? Elves are a race, elven pirates are not a race. That's like me killing criminals and saying I committed genocide on humanity. That's not the same thing. Not all humans are criminals, not all elves are pirates. Idk what you mean by then being purely innocent. Four killed them on the pretense that they were going to kill and pillage more. It's literally the same philosophy goblin Slayer in praised on. "If you let even the children go free, they'll cause future annoyance" elves in drakengard are also not known for their "kindness" although I'm sure there are. That's like if I saw a bunch of dudes that are in violent organizations and they run away saying they surrender but don't quit that violent organization, what do you think is going to happen? I agree that she should've talked to them at least but calling her genocidal is an insult to actual genocide. So no it doesn't give me pause especially considering the times. How are people more outraged at four for killing elf pirates but I've never seen this kind of outraged from people when it comes to Three's activity, that's a big double standard. Which is why I don't take anybody seriously who thinks Four is genocidal one when Three has killed COUNTLESS innocents but she's still called "best girl" wtf. Four killed so many soldiers because they were going against One. Even Two the most sweet Intoner said "Well if they're going against One, they have to die" so it's not a new sentiment. Five literally goes on killing and torture sprees all the time. I don't understand how Four gets the blunt of all this and her sisters for the most part get a slap on the wrist.
the gag with four killing the pirates is that she herself is one- and a particularly evil one at that. most of the missions shes on are straightforward pillages, the main difference between her and the elves is that she has cathedral citys backing, but one is an extremely new ruler and therefore her, and cathedral city arent really recognized by most people as legitimate
Four:I am trying to be calm and reasonable with these people. It saddens me that they cannot see that. Also Four: *is killing soldiers without trying to talk to them first*
Are...are you fucking serious dude? "Why don't we, just, like, talk to the Nazis/Communists/medieval knights/Imperial Stormtroopers/Goomba's/whatever, dude? Have you ever, like, considered that? Its, uh, like, deep stuff, man." Seriously dude, do you have any earthly idea how dumb that is? Are you honestly so utterly naive as to think that just talking to the servants of the oppressive government(s) is a viable strategy?
Like...I am pretty sure that in-game, the soldiers would still attack even if you just stand still. It is unrealistic, sure, same as that no-one ever tries to truly surrender and beg for mercy (even if you handwave Intoners' soldiers as being too addicted to songs at that point, even though their dialogue often implies otherwise, these Prologue soldiers are clearly not), but that's more to do with game's budget limitations than anything else. The dialogue is making fun of it, same as it's mocking the platforming puzzles and wave-style combat elsewhere in the game/prologues.
8. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
I wonder if there wasn’t a direct inspiration there, since other iconic anime were used as basis for designing the intoners (mainly Berserk and Madoka).
I feel like the reason that everyone (the fans) sees Four as evil is that, while yes the pirates are indeed bad, the manner of her creepy way of thinking and reasoning is what makes her such a monster. Bringing a dragon to an airship fight is like bringing a machine gun to a Wild West shootout- not to mention in this world it seems that life is extremely harsh for anyone outside of a main kingdom so pirating would be the main source of stability for any other group of people. I dunno, she says talk things out but then nukes them from orbit 🤷🏼♀️ not to mention how more fucked up would this be if they actually had good voice actors for the pirates and not that chipmunk nonsense. Either way, Four is a great if not creepy character.
I gotta say, though: if those 20 small ships (that still have like 6 cannons on them) and the mothership with a couple dozen cannons are *the remnants* of the elf pirates, just how many of them were there before? 100 ships? And I am not sure I would be complaining about the fairness of this if I lived in a vilalge or a town with maybe a bunch of human guards with swords there (if we are going off Drakenguard 1, the kingdoms outside of the former Lands of the Intoners (i.e. Empire) still barely have any airships or cannons next to them, even a century after the events of this game.), and then one day, a couple dozen or two airships with cannons showed up and bombarded anyone trying to resist to dust before looting everything.
Four is my favorite of the Intoners/Utauhime Five by far. She may seem like a sweetheart on the outside, but shades of her real, bloodthirsty personality come forth while in combat. Also, velvet green is my favorite color ever, and I love how Four's design incorporates it, especially in her coat. Maybe I should consider cosplaying as Four someday.
@@beckyweiss6072 are or were at least once her, and I think that is sole idea behind this character, after all Kaim was murderhobo player, so Four can be Player's morality
Now imagine how the soldiers on the ground feel when they get struck from the air, be it by a dragon in a fantasy world, or a missile in our world. Only a few years ago, coalition airplanes regularly bombed ISIS convoys as they were fleeing from the cities and had no way to fight back. It was considered perfectly fine, because they weren't civilians, and because they were fleeing, but not surrendering. Killing surrendering enemies is considered a war crime, but killing fleeing ones is not.
@@RPGNoZero I don’t think Dito would be disgusted with Four specially after seeing her killing the innocent fairies in the airships and talking crap about her sisters since Dito showed he enjoyed chaos and messing with people (as shown in ending D). Four may initially show disdain towards him but would warm up in the end since they are really similar and he would also make advances on her which is something she wanted but Decadus never did.
@@zenzonerzz4789 By definition, it is. Tsundere is a character who's cold and ruthless on the outside, but is actually sweet in the inside. While Yandere is a character who's sweet on the outside, but is cold and violent on the inside. Although in this case, Four is more like a yangire, as to be classified as a yandere, she will need a love interest.
The intoner sisters: Killing all those who are not their deciples Zero: Doesn't care. Just wants to kill off intoners and flower and be done with it Me: "If I were in Drakengard 3, I would side with Zero cause the rest of the intoners have gone nuts"
Five is sane I guess, she's just vain. Her "memories" include her buying books on government and philosophy. She does have a bit of a spending addiction but IRL if someone spends all their money on good food, clothing and art, we usually recommend them a therapist but don't start calling them "insane". I've probably reacted funnier than her to eating incredibly good stuff.
It says something when Yaha of the Knights of the Seal - despite technically not existing - would be the least fucked up. As for the main elves that do, Arioch wouldn't be so screwed up if not for the Empire and her cursed weapon. Nero? He is the one time Four should've been alive.
Well apparently Yaha only became fucked up after he made a pact. I don't think we can judge the entire race by Arioch, I mean.. look at the human charcters...
@@sazechs_451 Shi no itaru aka - portrays one's brother and Nero...although elve's can be a bit messed up. Nero and his Sister are especially screwed up.
I know it’s wrong to shoot fleeing enemies in the back. Keep in mind, if she didn’t kill those pirates. They would just go onto loot, rape, & pillage some poor town or village.
Of course, this being Four, how do we truly know that was the Elven pirates' intent? She could've massacred them to sate her ego and bloodlust, as well as to "purge" an "inhuman" race.
Well being way too into masochism isn't ALL there is about Decadus, for example he can be very sweet and protective, but God damn he can't shut up about his kink
At first, I was pinning most of the blame of the world's end on One. Then I would cover the other branches up with; "IT'S THE FLOWER! MY POOR SWEETHEART FOUR IS JUST GETTING TAKEN OVER BY THE FLOWER JUST LIKE TWO." Nvm. I was wrong. She's even worse than wrong. I love her as a character, but I can't see her as the potential sister I wanted to keep alive anymore. ;-;
@@sayakavonseckendorff5557 That was just Nero and his sister though that were fucked up for the giggles. Arioch became fucked up because of the Empire Killing her family and the weapon she found driving her further insane.
@@meteornome2556 Depends, there's sufficient evidence to believe if there were already a few in the race like that then most probably are. Especially since Four was killing Elvan pirates, while they were retreating they would undoubtably pillage other places. Someone could sympathize with the elf pirates but when they do pillage again people will just blame four anyway for not stopping them when she had the chance. Then her country is worst off. Ironically Four took one of their airships which in turn got stolen by Zero which got blew up by three's soldiers. At any rate, it was most likely the right call especially since the elves that were introduced tended to not be okay in the head. Heck most the faeries are douchebags but I'm sure some aren't but I have no evidence for that. There probably aren't a lot if elves though since the empire was killing them off to fight the dragons.
@@zanemiracle6121 "Someone could sympathize with the elf pirates but when they do pillage again people will just blame four anyway for not stopping them when she had the chance." I agree, and you know, it's funny that this applies to 1's Verdelet in the canon that led up to 2 as well. People hate him and also blame him for not trusting Angelus enough to keep the seal, and instead make those four other seals that required sacrifices of the defeated Imperials, and which also hurt Angelus enough to make Caim flip out. Thing is, if he did nothing and Angelus did eventually attack, and then caused the real apocalypse once her rampage was stopped, people would have had blamed him as well, and for good reason. Worse, given that Caim and Angelus were pact partners, the Angelus seal would have had probably been gone as soon as Caim died for literally any reason, so creating a back-up for that was just common sense.
I heard that Four's Prologue was done that way in large part after the character popularity poll in Japan landed her in 2nd place, just after Mikhail, who won, and ahead of Zero, who was 4th. After that, Yoko Taro decided he made her too sympathetic and used the prologue to redress that. All those people doing an 180 on Four's character from the base game to the Prologue and starting to call her "worst Intoner" or whatever a real testament to his powers of emotional manipulation.
I like how this Prologue foreshadowed the end of Game of Thrones. Well, except that this scene was still far more justified, of course. Four is right that it's pretty meh as far as real warfare goes. Sucks to be on the receiving end of it, of course, but then again, whatever villages and towns those elves got to bombard from above while being completely immune to retaliation did not exactly have fun either.
For Science! I will not tolerate such hatred towards Magician of Faith, Link (who is not Zelda), and the Dark Elves from the Spectral Force series lmao
The entire design of the game: "what if the main cast was a bunch of messed up monsters?" Four herself: "her heart was cold", kills her own followers out of jealousy Gabriella: "ur messed up and here's why: Weeb simps: "she did nothing wrong and has a heart of gold"
So what Four is doing is "doing" pacifism huh? No wonder Zero despised her. Also, in the first map, "reason with people"? Bitch you're just butchering them one by one with no means of "reasoning" with them...
But thats absurd though. Of fucking course you can't reason with loyal soldiers in the middle of a fucking war zone. That's asine. No amount of talking is going to get you out of the reality that accomplishing goals, even noble ones like Ones, is sometimes going to require people to die. That's life. There are a lot of criticisms you can easily apply to Four, but that sure as shit ain't one them.
I heard that Four's Prologue was done that way in large part after the character popularity poll in Japan landed her in 2nd place, just after Mikhail, who won, and ahead of Zero, who was 4th. After that, Yoko Taro decided he made her too sympathetic and used the prologue to redress that. All those people doing an 180 on Four's character from the base game to the Prologue and starting to call her "worst Intoner" or whatever a real testament to his powers of emotional manipulation.
@@carlosoliveira2965 If that's actually true, that would be an incredibly dickish and annoyingly petty move on Taro's part. Although then again, the guy IS a fucking basket case by all appearances, so eh.
Considering I'm not a fan of elves, I'm not too upset at Four killing all those pirates (Say this was The Legend of Zelda then it would be a different story, I have standards after all). Since the pirates would probably go on to rape, pillage, and burn, she was doing her country a favor, and considering most elves in Drakengard...let's go down the list. Arioch - insane child eating cannibal who ended up that way after seeing her children killed right in front of her (painful backstory, but considering she's even more insane and vicious than Caim, one has to wonder how normal she was before then), Yaha (a minor antagonist for us, but considering Urick's quotes, he wasn't a bad guy), Nero (misanthropic and hedonistic rapist who caused more problems for the Male One than he helped, I question the Male One's intelligence on keeping him around and not supervising him better), Nero's sister (killed one of her leaders and led the cult to take over the world, along with her brother, tried to advance the Red-Eyed disease). Seriously...the only good elf in this series is the one from Drakengard 2, and the only reason he was probably as sane as he was is because Taro didn't have complete control over the game. That being said, Four's biggest issue is her zealous passion for purity and justice, or at least her own view of it. Essentially the manifestation of Zero's insecurities and suffering from her mother's abuse and being sold into prostitution, she tries to be the purest of her sisters in order to get over her feelings of inadequacy. Her very black-and-white moral viewpoint is likely reminiscent of how Zero felt, if she had been a perfect girl, then she would never have had to suffer. Similarly, if Four is good, then those who oppose her are evil, and her ruthless approach is a means of getting back at those that deny her happiness, much like Zero would have felt. But because Four has these feelings of inferiority so internalized, she can never be at peace because she looks at herself as worthless. Three and Five have the looks she desires, Two has the fairy tale like love with Cent, and One is the smartest of them all, so she tries to point out their flaws to make herself feel better, she places them on such a high pedestal while breaking herself, and that just makes her feel worse. She tries to be the team bridge to compensate, but despite her efforts, she can't get rid of the pain, which leads to anger towards her siblings because she feels so broken. The sad thing is she does genuinely love them, all of them, including Zero. Out of all her sister's, she may have the most care for Zero. When she tells Zero of a false memory of her protecting Four from bullies, or thinks Zero was under some possession despite it being blatantly false, she genuinely believes these things. Since her moral compass can't take shades of grey, she can't view her sisters as evil and wants them to be family, but because of that, she feels even more anger towards herself for hating them, leading it to manifest in zealous wrath towards anything she feels is a harm to them, a wrath she views as just, and causes her to be overcome by the flower and twisted even more, her final quotes to Zero showcasing her desire to be her eldest sister. She wants to be anyone but herself... Most tragic characters in this story are Two, Cent, Zero, Mikhail, Michael, Four, and One in my viewpoint.
Lol its stupid to pile an entire race due to flawed messed up characters that were made that way cus yoko taro wanted to make a game that had awful people as the protagonists cus no ones done that before. Hence why nier is also a bunch of outcasts but not awful people necessarily. He keeps trying new things. Gabriella is the sense of reason here and points it out. Pirates don't go around bringing their families lol. And we see four using ridiculous reasoning for her actions since the first mission. Thats the whole point. She is messed up. Thats what yoko taro wanted
I’m sorry but i don’t think four was /that/ bad for killing the elves, they were literally pirates lmfao. Like yes she went kinda psycho about killing them and clearly has complexes about wanting to be perfect but I don’t think killing those pirate elves was that evil even though they were retreating
@@DBShinnin I take the same point than Riku and most others here. Attacking a retreating army in a war is a viable strategy to make sure it cannot regroup and counter-attack later. While I understand what Taro tried to do with this DLC, it would have made much more sense to have Four see the carnage of these pirates, then followed them and attacked their home with gleeful laughter as she is burning pirates, women and children alike.
Ok, I like Gabriella and Four is a bitch and all... but why did Gabriella go along with it? The last mission would not be possible without her,plus she knew that One would not really approve of that, so... why burn the fleet?
Xcrysis Gabriella was a very close friend of One's who dedicated herself to her dream out of love and admiration. She was a proud and perceptive dragon, not some cowardly lackey without a purpose.
@@mazin9193 Four was not doing anything that would warrant Gabriella betraying her. She was taking out a pirate FLEET, fully armed and over 20 strong. Four had genuine reasons to take them out, her soft psychopathy and pleasure while doing so notwithstanding.
I heard that Four's Prologue was done that way in large part after the character popularity poll in Japan landed her in 2nd place, just after Mikhail, who won, and ahead of Zero, who was 4th. After that, Yoko Taro decided he made her too sympathetic and used the prologue to redress that. All those people doing an 180 on Four's character from the base game to the Prologue and starting to call her "worst Intoner" or whatever a real testament to his powers of emotional manipulation.
I was going to ask why the elves sound so squeaky and drakengard 3 because In drakengard 1 they sound like normal people but then I kind of thought maybe it's because Three look down on there race plus I doubt that Nero sounds like that
Four is fake as hell and a little arrogant. Although, I will give her a plus, she IS trying her best to do what is right. And yes, the elves she killed weren't really saints or even your typical human moral in nature. Hell, they're pirate elves in drakengard for f**ksakes. Honestly, the only thing wrong with her is that she takes pleasure in this, but that's it. If the game developer were trying to point out that morality isn't black and white, they should've made her more Seryu Ubiquitous than this or at least showed that there are indeed good elves. All in all, this feels pretty forced. And I think these sisters should return in another game, or at least in a remake that REALLY puts them in a bad light.
I think the entire game is already extremely morally ambiguous once you take all these DLC into account. One's probably the best at this, since she is the most pensive and reflective of them all, but fundamentally, the point is that all sisters bar Three were an improvement over what came before them and, going off Drakengard, over what came after them as well. However, since their methods of ascending to power were no different to Zero's methods of reaching them after they got the power (kill a lot of soldiers to get to the leaders), so knowing that they were doomed to be the Flower's conduit, the sad truth is that they should not have bothered, as they ended up killing a lot of people for the sake of about one year of peace, after which nearly everything they did was undone. One's fail-safe did save the world from the apocalypse, but only at the expense of turning the realms into a twisted mockery of what she wanted to achieve. As for Four, she did not really do anything that any other medieval lord with the power of the dragon available would not have done in her place. Hell, in the original game, Caim both destroys freaking supply airships in an optional mission, and he is explicitly ordered to attack a fleeing army of "subhumans" while on dragonback in another mission. The difference is that the original game did not have as much of a VO budget as this game, and so it did not try so hard to guilt trip the player about it. Oh, and Caim was always the protagonist, so there is that bias too.
I don't hate Four because of the pirates, they were criminals. In fact, that might have been the only good thing she did in her reborn life. Even before the DLC I already had my suspicions about her. I mean, the daemons clearly reflect the owner's colors, and hers is a fortress. Then there is Four's virginity, which Zero comments as evil. That's because the other way to satisfy your sexual desires besides the use of flesh can be the use of others's minds for your own amusement. Before the DLC, that's all I believed to be wrong with her. That she was a coward who seduced others and used them through a show of fake grace and virtue, to build an army that would serve as cannon fodder for her to run and live another day, never to fight.
there is the concept of the shadow self,all the things we might hide about our nature and personalities that we hide from ourselves but in hiding from it,we lose control over it and it might instead subtly lead our choices and actions,and ocasionally might even lead to episodes where we behave according to this unresolved desires four is very much someone that hasnt reconciled her nice side (her seemingly reasonable and cute ideals),and her supressed emotions (she wants both to be loved as a maiden but also taken sexually by someone forward, she feeld neglected and resents her sisters while also looking up to them) at the core,she never truly accepted all about herself and so she lives frustrated about it,in equal parts longing/admiring and hating those traits (and the people she feels reflect them) one second she suggests whiping,the next she reprimends other for fetishizing them (when she clearly has a streak for it)
@@valentinov901I really don't get this hate for Four (I dislike her, that doesn't necessarily mean I want her lifeless on the floor). I feel so bad for her. And One knew what was wrong with her. She just ignored it, even though Four supported her the most. It's shameful. I like to think I reconciled with my shadow self. I mean, I feel satisfied with what I have.
Four: We have to kill these elves as they will just kill and plunder more innocents down the road. Fanbase: Wow she's cruel and batshit insane. Goblin Slayer: We have to slay these goblins even the young before they can rape and pillage any other society. *worshipped* While this was to show that 4 was batshit insane the evan part was not really the greatest example. I think her attacking helpless soldiers was better overall as in the end she only killed the Elves that were pirates and plundered not genocide on a whole species. The main disgust is the amount of pleasure she takes in it. She's a zealot making her insane but moreso a zealot for what she believes to be justice. Although her actions in the grand scheme of things do actually do good. Her response amd excuses for them are what makes her a tad to really unlikable for most people
Goblin slayer is a dreamworld of mankind that there evil people to be annihilated. Human beings wish to boss in hell more than to be loser in heaven. That’s why hell is deserved.
A dragon literally told you how she was full of shit and the entire point of yoko taros design for these people. That they are all messed up in one way or another. Meanwhile goblins never reasoned or pleaded with the slayer to spare their families. Still a shit version of berserk Stop simping so hard
The entire point in Goblin Slayer is showing just how depraved and evil a race like the Goblins actually have to be to justify that kind of hatred being in the right. Most of the other evil species in that series, including the Lizardmen, are not treated the same way for a reason.
They fight to the death because they know they can´t surrender to Intoners. Because they die. They had the right of self defense. If you are in an area where a bandit will kill you to steal, and wouldn´t let you live even if you surrendered... wouldn´t you always walk around armed to the teeth?
The whole point of this dlc is to show how messed up she is and how zero was right. How your boner made you miss yoko taros obvious story telling i will never know
Man that Four sure is messed up, killing elves for the sake of justice so callously and believing herself the hero for this, that is evil, anyway off to saving the world in Age of Calamity by killing bokoblins in droves with my favorite humble hero Link
I kinda wished the dlc, or at least part of the dlc, were into the story: killing the sisters without some backstory, while interesting why later on, gave me pretty much no reason to care about their demises: if anything it made me feel bad at first until I realized their true identity and motivations. I wouldn't mind getting the dlc if it wasn't so expensive...
Two did nothing wrong at least not intentionally. One tried to help. Five didn't really do anything wrong either, she just went after what pleased her, her demise lead to the economic collapse of her country simply because she was the one driving it. Four? Well...as long as you followed her commands you were good? Still pretty screwed up. Three? Deserved. Every bit. Friend or foe, you were not safe under her command.
@@zanemiracle6121 Yeah it's like.....I can't decide who is worse - Three or Four. I can't stand how much hate Four carries with her, no matter how real it might hit home for some people. And Yoko Taro made Four's slaughter of the Elven pirates a big fat question mark for a reason. I see it as racism and barbaric. It's not like this happened in the middle of a battle. Four actively sought them out and chased them down while they were fleeing. One didn't order that, did she? Four just did it to "impress One." So in that aspect, Four and Three are heartlessly slaughtering lives, but for different reasons. And when it comes to "obedience" for Four, everyone has a different view of what an "ideal world" would look like. What Four has in mind might not be what the people under her reign really need. Frankly, I always get suspicious of anyone who preaches about an "ideal world," and a "better world," be they an actual real life human or a character in a video game or story.
@@beckyweiss6072 Four is worse and more hateable because she's a hypocrite and always trying to pull an excuse to make herself looks good. Three is at least honest that she's a straight up villain.
@@RPGNoZero that’s basically why I loathe four so much. I have a special loathing for those that commit mass murder and other such acts in the name of self righteousness. I wouldn’t say Three considers herself a villain - she just does things that she knows people frown upon and her reaction is basically “why is it bad?” She literally doesn’t get it, and it’s due to a genuine lack of understanding. *Zero* on the other hand, is unapologetic about being a killer. While naturally what she does/did as a human was horrid, it’s just she’s self aware and not a hypocrite in the slightest
I heard that Four's Prologue was done that way in large part after the character popularity poll in Japan landed her in 2nd place, just after Mikhail, who won, and ahead of Zero, who was 4th. After that, Yoko Taro decided he made her too sympathetic and used the prologue to redress that. All those people doing an 180 on Four's character from the base game to the Prologue and starting to call her "worst Intoner" or whatever a real testament to his powers of emotional manipulation.
Oh man, four is so awesome. And she is right too, it is better to completely obliterate an enemy before they can regroup and strike back. That dragon is nuts in saying, that killing a fleet of FREAKING PIRATES is somehow wrong and not morally justified. OH man, four wants me to play a Paladin in DnD and have a life mission of killing all those inferior races so humans have more living room. Deus welt! Her sidekick is a deeply depraved man, though, no wonder she doesn't let him touch her.
Your mad also those pirates didn’t do anything wrong. They are not fours enemy in the first place. Four attacked them and made them an enemy. And you are justifying their actions for attacking non hostile enemies. And do you know why most people become pirates. There is a chance they are just trying to survive.
@@anon_148 honestly these guys were getting annoying, this isn't fucking one piece where there's actually some good pirates. The elves in Drakengard are fucked up, despite being a sadist, I see nothing wrong with what four did.
Este juego es una obra maestra y por si fuese poco nier autonama y el original nier tambien lo son Pero.. odio el puto final con el boss musical de este juego xD
Yoko taro: "I want drakenguard to have a main cast of monsters and super messed up people. As almost no game does that. However the main game didn't show that for the sisters or flesh them out so I will add the prologues to do that and make sure Gabriella explicitly states what's going on on fours prologue and why she's awful, why twos disciple isn't just an asshole, why 5s is messed up, how truly twisted 3 is etc" Weeb simps: "bRo fOuR dID noThInG wRoNG tHeY wErE clEaRly pIrAtes wHo juST HaPpen to have their families on board for some reason. And since 3 elf characters are shit their entire race must be lol" She also killed all of her followers out of jealousy
"She also killed all of her followers out of jealousy " Okay let's not be telling lies up in here, you know damn well that only happened due to the influence of the flower on her and her already fragile mental state from fighting Zero. People bashing on Four for killing the elves seem to forget that the other intoners yes even Two, have killed for One and that Cain shot down Refugee airships which is even worse, only voices weren't added to make us feel bad for them
So Four is basically a fascist general, or a cop with an us vs them mentality. All shiny, simple and self-righteous in the outside and *fucked up* in the inside. I personally get it, so thank goodness I don't have power. 😉
![Drakengard 3 Chapter 3 Verse 6 Boss Three - Armisael [The Land of Forests]](/img/1.gif)
I feel like each intoner is a reflection of Zero’s inner thoughts before she was cursed with the flower.
Five reflects her longing for adventure. Curious of anything enjoyable, searching for material things to make her happy. And those things were denied to Zero as a little girl, and she fantasized about the pleasures of the outside world beyond the brothel she was sold to.
Four reflects self-hatred and a desire to be loved by society. She feels she has to be perfect to be valid and acceptable to others, to be better than them to feel equal to them. Given that Zero was abused by her mother and was sold into child prostitution, she probably felt that if she wouldn’t have been sold and abused if she were a perfect little girl. Her perfectionistic attitude may reflect how she needed to behave in the brothel in front of the other children. Her hatred for her mother surfaces when she takes it out on the elves. Her moral compass is black and white because society portrays morality as black and white, and she wouldn’t be abused and would be loved if she was morally perfect.
Three reflect’s Zero’s interest in philosophy and morality. Childish in demeanor, like Four, but asks questions about why certain things matter more than others. Turning soldiers and people into dolls/soldiers may show that Zero longed for control over her situation. It also suggests she wanted to protect the other abused kids in the brothel, because full control and possessiveness could also be considered a twisted way of trying to protect people. Three also refers to her creations as her “children”, saying that Zero wanted to protect the kids and herself. Also, in the Japanese version of Zero, Zero sees herself more as a mother-figure of the intoners rather than a mean big sister in English, so Three seeing herself as a mother to her creations is fitting.
Two reflects Zero’s longing for love and family. Two had a lover and raised orphanages, suggesting Zero fantasized about creating orphanages that were safe for children, when her orphanage clearly wasn’t. Lovers also tend to be the objects of rescue fantasies as well.
One reflects Zero’s longing for companionship (hence the creation of One’s brother.). But Zero couldn’t rely on other people, and only herself, so One literally created another of herself to rely on instead of getting a disciple. Both One and Zero put aside their longings in exchange for duty, but those longings were still there.
Seraph Lazuli very well explained!
So we just going to ignore Three's psychopathic habits like turning her soldiers into monsters, dragging out families of villagers and slaughtering the children in front of the parents for glee and excitement, putting human souls into armasiel (probably forcefully extracted as always), etc.
Everyone else is fine but I think Three represents Zero's loneliness and apathy towards most things in life (Zero had/has a similar apathy to people's lives as three except three does it for cruelty). As One states, Four wants honor, Two wants romance, Five wants sex(what she desires), but Three desires cruelty.
There's moral compass is near non-existent, there's even theories that she's responsible for what happened to two (turning the kids into humunculus as the song of the intoners turning people into monsters is unheard of unless intentional. At best they get turned into zombies).
@@zanemiracle6121 Where's the proof that Three turned the kids into the humunculus? It's implied that the power of the flower's song (and the flower itself in retrospect), did that.
I'm not so sure about Five and One. They may have been more of a reflection of whom they were based off of. All of the girls reflected some part of Zero's human life. In the Drag-On-Dragoon 3 sidestory, Zero takes a moment to try and figure out if she recognized any of the sisters. She didn't recognize the faces of Two, Three, and Four. But she did recognize Five and One's faces:
-Five shares the same face of a nun Zero killed (I think it was when Zero was raiding a convent or an abbey). So right there you can take a guess where Five got her desires from; in her human life she was deprived of literally everything she sought out as an Intoner. I wouldn't be shocked if the nun Five looks like had the same deep desires but couldn't act on them. And here's the kicker: Five's spear looks like a cross.
-One is 100% based off of a human girl that Zero met shortly before they both passed away. In Zero's novella, we see her in jail for her numerous crimes of manslaughter. She's slowly dying from some plague or another that she caught. While she was there, five girls joined her in her cell. They had attempted to rebel against their oppressive lord. But they were arrested before they could even pick up their weapons. All five of them were tortured viciously and then dragged out in the square to be placed on display and die very slowly. Zero was also tied up in the square alongside the girls.
The girl One was based off of was the rebel leader. The poor girl had her fingernails ripped out and I'm pretty sure her eyes were taken from her as well *shudders.* The leader was tied up next to Zero and kept saying as her dying words, "What we did was right." And lo and behold, One is the one leading the sisters on a crusade to overthrow *all* of the corrupt lords to make their world a better place.
You are close with Four though. In the same side story where Zero recognizes Five's face to be that of a nun she killed, she reflects that Four might have represented the dignity and pride that Zero tried to cling onto in the brothels when she was younger. (Which means Four also represents the side of Zero that hates both the world and herself).
@@beckyweiss6072 I said there are *theories* . Not that it happened. The reasoning being, intoners songs have not shown to unintentionally change the very composition of a person. At worst it turns people into zombie like states as with One (Brother and Sister), Three (after her song effects wore off her soldiers in branch B), Two on her soldiers, etc.
There is evidence that an Intoner can intentionally mold a being into another. Like 3 with her creations such as morphing a human into a gigas. Or as in her memoir, morphing a human into a cyclops.
Apparently Three's song plays briefly before entering the citadel but I haven't replayed to hear it but that's weak evidence for that reasoning though. Cent also notes that he doesn't know why the children were affected. Cent did note that he wanted to make stronger soldiers but using it on kids would be against his character.
Three is also the only Intoner (in drakengard 3) to gleefully kill children and turn them into monsters. Such as with the Gigas, no other intoners intentionally does that. Even three notes it takes work.
The land of forest doesn't have an infinite human supply. So Three could venture off to create new monsters; she's amoral enough to pick kids. After all her dolls are full of human souls and in the memoir she actively tried "dolling up" her soldiers. Turning them into monsters and such.
If an Intoner needs to intentionally create a monster as Three states, Cent only wanted to boost soldiers, Cent couldn't have boosted the kids, unless the soldiers can use Intoner song themselves...given their state highly unlikely.
That's the primary reasoning why three is suspected. Also on the humonculus' page it says it was by "an intoner's song" it doesn't list Two as the culprit in particular.
There is possible counter evidence. If Three did it, then why wouldn't the children mention it? Of course Three is a crafty being so she can guards but the kids? Well above I said three said it takes work but she was referencing perfecting her creations. She implies that she can just "turn them on the spot" if she so chose so she could've done it quickly. The kids were most likely more focused on two anyway to "snitch" on three. Wanting their "Auntie" to save them. Note the same is true that they didn't blaim two in rage or cent saying "you did this to me" along those lines.
God I love Four. She’s a beautifully hot mess with enough psychologically baggage that Freud would
have a field day and I love her for it. (Plus she has my favorite design of all the sisters barring Zero.)
Also I love how this DLC is also “Decadus Being Gross For 62 Minutes”
Also also I love how the dragon is the voice of Reason and the “What The F*ck Is Wrong With Every Single One Of You” audience surrogate.
"Freud would have a field day" he really wouldn't lol
Gabriella is all of us if we could speak in this game
I don't conspire with dragons friend
I love four. Her blatant hypocrisy, vanity, jealousy, and multiple complexes are genuinely well written and put her on a pedestal above her sisters for me. The irony just seeps through every minute of this dlc and it is hilarious
I heard that Four's Prologue was done that way in large part after the character popularity poll in Japan landed her in 2nd place, just after Mikhail, who won, and ahead of Zero, who was 4th. After that, Yoko Taro decided he made her too sympathetic and used the prologue to redress that. All those people doing an 180 on Four's character from the base game to the Prologue and starting to call her "worst Intoner" or whatever a real testament to his powers of emotional manipulation.
Well of course, in the base game she just screams for help
Anyone know the name of the song when 4 is destroying the pirates ship?
@@carlosoliveira2965 Love how when Yoko Taro found out people LIKED a character he decided to make them more evil lol
You know someone jumped head first into the crazy pool when the dragon is the voice of reason.
Sounds like one another one eyed intoner I know as well 😂
I'm going to rewatch fours death now
Hopefully you rewatched both of them, hehe. The one in Branch A and Branch D
I love how the achievement for this is called "Justice prevails!"
Great sense of humour, i say.
OMG SHE LITERALLY HAS THAT "I am not like other girls" vibe
She embodies what young innocent girls are like, highly protective of themselves and acutely aware of themselves and those around them yet still moldable In their morals, but being in a clearly twisted situation it’s obvious she shows how that manifests into cruelty. Both to her and from her. the progress from self assurance to self hatred as a progress from morally upright to morally twisted towards a world that hates self protective young girls. Wanting them to be a certain way especially towards the opposite sex(being uninhibited). We can see this juxtaposition in zero herself, she hates four for this possibly because deep down she still has this part to her, a part to her that wishes she wasnt so uninhibited but she’s apathetic to herself as a woman because well her surroundings forced her to be. It’s quite interesting how she shows this. Four is the saddest for this reason. It’s the child forced to be a prostitute. Can we imagine what changes that brought to zero?. Society(mainly men) normalizing the dynamics,Forcing them to like the sex abuse, like the men doing the abuse, and hate themselves for having standards or ever having thought they could have this dignity or deserving of any self respect. When they say no they’re a prude or cruel. This narrative is so obviously fed to zero because no girl would ever come to such a conclusion on her own. Denying Of any exclusivity and control. She wanted a typical fairytale love. Cuz you know she’s a ‘shoujo’. Fours cruelty makes the most sense. It’s the internal struggle of becoming an evil you so wanted to Protect yourself from becoming. It’s the giving in to madness but still trying to fight it. It also explains her jealousy and all that. It’s just like that for little girls, being jealous of those who seemingly don’t have this internal struggle and do as society says without hating themselves. She wants to be like them but at the same time not. She’s not like other girls but she wants to be. Because well society rewards those girls. Wanting to be part of the group and be praised and loved. But still struggling with it because clearly they exhibit points that she doesn’t like. She wishes she wasn’t like that. She punishes others but herself too by enacting the very evil she hates. Honestly Four is the most interesting of the bunch that’s for sure. It’s the girl everyone hates. She hates herself too, literally times 2. She embodies the self hatred, and self punishment yet honor and pride for oneself. We all have something like that don’t we?
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@@melissafps ty!
To kill for yourself is murder, to kill for One is heroic, to kill for entertainment is harmless
A the old classic the line
"To kill for entertainment is harmless" pretty sure that makes you sadistic.
More than the elves incident itself, Gabriela's senses confirm that Four is fucked up to the core despite her sweet appearances. I like Four as a character, it's so interesting how her truth uncovers in the DLC. She seems to secretly despise everyone and everything except One.
I think it's odd that Gabriela helped her carry that out. Granted, Gabriela is a dragon who's probably indifferent to what happens to lower ranked beings. But she did feel bad and was aware that Four's doing is a crime that goes against One's wishes to create a peaceful world.. so it just didn't make sense to help her.
Its funny cause she doesnt hate One only because she feels kinship with her. Theyre both rational level headed leaders with big brains and small tits. Thats what Four thinks anyway or wants to think. She secretly hates herself and feels inferior to every one of her sisters. Its even implied that she WANTS Decadus to hit on her and even force himself on her because that would make her feel irresistible like Five, loved like Two, delicate like Three, and yet still virtuous and humble like One.
Decadus being both a decent person and hopeless submissive never follows up on that which is why she resents him.
She actually likes two, if you read her memoir compared to her other sisters even while under the flower's influence, two got off "easy". Her only complaint was that two was dating her own disciple 😅.
She likes one as well because they both try to be rationale. Four however feels inferior to her sisters in different regards. To find a way to stand out she does the virgin intoner role. Four's approach to things is similar to One's, submit or die. Although allegedly four tries to talk her way out of it but ends up cutting the guys down instead (which makes sense if you were in her position).
Four is definitely not innocent though as even in her novella and in One's novella it's noted that four can't handle complex situation. She either explodes or sulks which is why One made her in charge of the land of mountains (a simple task). Although in fairness to four Five was continuously pushing her and mocking her, so her anger is reasonable.
I think four is probably the most realistic intoner. Which is why I think she gets so much hate. Four is envious of her sister but only five per her weapon's story wants to have everything her sisters have or well in four's case "what she hasn't lost yet".
@@KOTEBANAROT That's exactly what it is actually. Four keeps waiting for Decadus to take the initiative, but he never does. So Four gets even more disgusted and gets even more uh....creative. And she forces Decadus to sit outside her room at night so he can listen to Four get uh...creative, in taking care of her own needs. Maybe there's a hope that Decadus eventually wouldn't be able to resist.
@@zanemiracle6121 I think Four is hated the most because she's a genocidal racist piece of shit. Doesn't matter that the Elves were pirates. They didn't want to attack and were fleeing. Any of the pirates that had been intent on defying the Intoners were probably all dead. If they rose up in rebellion... oh well I guess. The point is at the time, the Elven pirates were truly innocent. All they wanted to do was flee and avoid being slaughtered after they were so heavily defeated.
Kinda gives you pause, doesn't it? And I think it's supposed to. Here are a group of beings that you would think are violent...but at the time Four and Gabriella attacked them, they weren't violent at all. They were running away to live. Who knows, maybe they actually wanted to live out their lives in peace.
And frankly, if Four wasn't a genocidal racist piece of shit, then I'd agree with you when you say that Four is the most realistic intoner. Her insecurities hit home for me to some degree, but all of that relatability is wiped clean away the moment she started slaughtering the Elven pirates....*and* after I realized that she was probably using One's orders as an excuse to kill so many soldiers. It's why Four is the actual worst, and it's why I suspect a lot of people feel the same as me.
When Two and Cent ran into soldiers that were on their last legs and trying to resist, her reaction was far more sincere. More importantly, I don't think Two and Cent would have actively sought out those men to kill them. They both expressed surprise at the sight of them.
@@beckyweiss6072 Who did she genocide? Elves are a race, elven pirates are not a race. That's like me killing criminals and saying I committed genocide on humanity. That's not the same thing. Not all humans are criminals, not all elves are pirates.
Idk what you mean by then being purely innocent. Four killed them on the pretense that they were going to kill and pillage more. It's literally the same philosophy goblin Slayer in praised on. "If you let even the children go free, they'll cause future annoyance" elves in drakengard are also not known for their "kindness" although I'm sure there are.
That's like if I saw a bunch of dudes that are in violent organizations and they run away saying they surrender but don't quit that violent organization, what do you think is going to happen? I agree that she should've talked to them at least but calling her genocidal is an insult to actual genocide.
So no it doesn't give me pause especially considering the times. How are people more outraged at four for killing elf pirates but I've never seen this kind of outraged from people when it comes to Three's activity, that's a big double standard. Which is why I don't take anybody seriously who thinks Four is genocidal one when Three has killed COUNTLESS innocents but she's still called "best girl" wtf.
Four killed so many soldiers because they were going against One. Even Two the most sweet Intoner said "Well if they're going against One, they have to die" so it's not a new sentiment. Five literally goes on killing and torture sprees all the time. I don't understand how Four gets the blunt of all this and her sisters for the most part get a slap on the wrist.
Decadus alone makes this DLC 100x more uncomfortable than it needs to be.
the gag with four killing the pirates is that she herself is one- and a particularly evil one at that. most of the missions shes on are straightforward pillages, the main difference between her and the elves is that she has cathedral citys backing, but one is an extremely new ruler and therefore her, and cathedral city arent really recognized by most people as legitimate
Those people's former rulers were sadistic dictadors. Anyone who still supports them, be it out of love, respect or simply greed, had it coming.
Four : "It's for self-defense 🥺"
Also Four : *Groups the soldiers in a tight spot and opens intoner mode 🤭*
Four:I am trying to be calm and reasonable with these people. It saddens me that they cannot see that.
Also Four: *is killing soldiers without trying to talk to them first*
Are...are you fucking serious dude?
"Why don't we, just, like, talk to the Nazis/Communists/medieval knights/Imperial Stormtroopers/Goomba's/whatever, dude? Have you ever, like, considered that? Its, uh, like, deep stuff, man."
Seriously dude, do you have any earthly idea how dumb that is? Are you honestly so utterly naive as to think that just talking to the servants of the oppressive government(s) is a viable strategy?
Like...I am pretty sure that in-game, the soldiers would still attack even if you just stand still. It is unrealistic, sure, same as that no-one ever tries to truly surrender and beg for mercy (even if you handwave Intoners' soldiers as being too addicted to songs at that point, even though their dialogue often implies otherwise, these Prologue soldiers are clearly not), but that's more to do with game's budget limitations than anything else. The dialogue is making fun of it, same as it's mocking the platforming puzzles and wave-style combat elsewhere in the game/prologues.
I can imagine four trying to reason with nowe, but caim is a different thing lol
Especially since the Lord was already dead. She could have just got on Gabriella and left, her mission was done, she chose to remain and mop up.
Dammit, the more I look at Decadus the more I become convinced his design looks like Father Andersen 😅😅😅
AAAYYYYYMEEEEEEEEEN!!!
"EEEF ANYONE DOESN'T LOVE THE LORD OF WORLD, LET HIM BE ACYUUSED OHH LOOODO COME AYYMEEN!"
8. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
I wonder if there wasn’t a direct inspiration there, since other iconic anime were used as basis for designing the intoners (mainly Berserk and Madoka).
Damn, I love Gabriella lol
sarcastic dragons are the best dragons
BEZT GIRL IN THE GAME
we love cool sassy grandma dragon
She is my new favorite Drakengard universe character
Gabriella and legna would get along XD
Oh my god Gabriella is making me, LMAO, with her sarcasm.
Slay the serpent!!!!!
Am I only one who came for Decadus's commentary and moans?
You mispelled "from"
No, not really. I didn't come entirely for Four's story, I only came FOR Decadus's commentary :D
You missed the joke
Decadus is a lucky bastard
@masterxehanort3 Haaa I got you my dude ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The dragon is even more human than the intoner who is human looking
In main story: I feel bad for that kawaii girl.
After DLC: Preety LITTLE PSYCHO!!!!
oww oww oww oww here we go
I believe that is also what most of the players believe.
I feel like the reason that everyone (the fans) sees Four as evil is that, while yes the pirates are indeed bad, the manner of her creepy way of thinking and reasoning is what makes her such a monster.
Bringing a dragon to an airship fight is like bringing a machine gun to a Wild West shootout- not to mention in this world it seems that life is extremely harsh for anyone outside of a main kingdom so pirating would be the main source of stability for any other group of people.
I dunno, she says talk things out but then nukes them from orbit 🤷🏼♀️ not to mention how more fucked up would this be if they actually had good voice actors for the pirates and not that chipmunk nonsense.
Either way, Four is a great if not creepy character.
Her novella makes her a lot more interesting
I gotta say, though: if those 20 small ships (that still have like 6 cannons on them) and the mothership with a couple dozen cannons are *the remnants* of the elf pirates, just how many of them were there before? 100 ships?
And I am not sure I would be complaining about the fairness of this if I lived in a vilalge or a town with maybe a bunch of human guards with swords there (if we are going off Drakenguard 1, the kingdoms outside of the former Lands of the Intoners (i.e. Empire) still barely have any airships or cannons next to them, even a century after the events of this game.), and then one day, a couple dozen or two airships with cannons showed up and bombarded anyone trying to resist to dust before looting everything.
Four is my favorite of the Intoners/Utauhime Five by far. She may seem like a sweetheart on the outside, but shades of her real, bloodthirsty personality come forth while in combat.
Also, velvet green is my favorite color ever, and I love how Four's design incorporates it, especially in her coat. Maybe I should consider cosplaying as Four someday.
As the guy from "seven" said, there is nothing wrong in liking one's job.
Yea four has a preaty relatable character in a fucked up kinda way
four has mentality of typical player,always right and always theyr sense of justice is only one,everyone else is wrong
@@wojszach4443 That's a really interesting way to look at it
@@beckyweiss6072 are or were at least once her, and I think that is sole idea behind this character, after all Kaim was murderhobo player, so Four can be Player's morality
I got the vibe that Four is the type to keep going on dinner dates but just leaves it at that. Ya know, all for the sake of "her purity"
Death by Blue Balls.
She'd call you dirty and depraved for simply complementing her haha
Sure those elfs pirates smoke a lot of Helium...
Particularly since elf characters in the previous games are literally exactly the same as humans with just slightly pointed ears
When you realize Four is rocking the medieval equivalent of the Timberland boots.
Four: Confound those elves! Oh, how I hate them! they drive me to kill!!
My god....she just literally shot them in the back...
but they were bad guys... they werent even civilians,even humans
Now imagine how the soldiers on the ground feel when they get struck from the air, be it by a dragon in a fantasy world, or a missile in our world. Only a few years ago, coalition airplanes regularly bombed ISIS convoys as they were fleeing from the cities and had no way to fight back. It was considered perfectly fine, because they weren't civilians, and because they were fleeing, but not surrendering. Killing surrendering enemies is considered a war crime, but killing fleeing ones is not.
@@wojszach4443 they weren't. Thats the whole point of this game and the dlc dude jesus
@@LuiBei1994 4 is such cute deconstruction of morality of player in game
@@wojszach4443 I wish more people got that. The story creator built that mission to state a point
1:09:46 oh hell nah u can have that achievement back
Four and Dito would have made the ideal and most dangerous team.
They would actually get disgusted at each other and pretending up be better
@@RPGNoZero I don’t think Dito would be disgusted with Four specially after seeing her killing the innocent fairies in the airships and talking crap about her sisters since Dito showed he enjoyed chaos and messing with people (as shown in ending D).
Four may initially show disdain towards him but would warm up in the end since they are really similar and he would also make advances on her which is something she wanted but Decadus never did.
@@Erst999actually, Dito is more into men. His advances on Zero are simply because he knows without her, the world has no place for him.
It's funny how she was running away at the end of her chapter same way as those she killed karma is a bitch indeed
Four is like a reverse tsundere.
Mr K aka yandere
@@mielium5619 that's not even close to what a reverse tsundere is.
@@zenzonerzz4789 By definition, it is.
Tsundere is a character who's cold and ruthless on the outside, but is actually sweet in the inside.
While Yandere is a character who's sweet on the outside, but is cold and violent on the inside.
Although in this case, Four is more like a yangire, as to be classified as a yandere, she will need a love interest.
Elveslaughter
The intoner sisters: Killing all those who are not their deciples
Zero: Doesn't care. Just wants to kill off intoners and flower and be done with it
Me: "If I were in Drakengard 3, I would side with Zero cause the rest of the intoners have gone nuts"
Yeah part of the point of the game is you think you're playing the bad guy at first but then you learn you're not.
Well, Two did lose it, sure, but not in the same way.
Five is sane I guess, she's just vain. Her "memories" include her buying books on government and philosophy. She does have a bit of a spending addiction but IRL if someone spends all their money on good food, clothing and art, we usually recommend them a therapist but don't start calling them "insane". I've probably reacted funnier than her to eating incredibly good stuff.
Oh he gets something for sure, alright. 13:01-13:03
Holy sheet that scream of npc when they were killed......and that last mission.....
That feeling when you realized that Four wasn't wrong about elves. Think about all the elven main characters in the series. Especially the manga
It says something when Yaha of the Knights of the Seal - despite technically not existing - would be the least fucked up. As for the main elves that do, Arioch wouldn't be so screwed up if not for the Empire and her cursed weapon. Nero? He is the one time Four should've been alive.
Well apparently Yaha only became fucked up after he made a pact. I don't think we can judge the entire race by Arioch, I mean.. look at the human charcters...
Nero.
There's a manga? What's it called?
@@sazechs_451 Shi no itaru aka - portrays one's brother and Nero...although elve's can be a bit messed up. Nero and his Sister are especially screwed up.
If Noel was part Psycho.
Jensi Oquendo but she can be as the god slayer
Tbf Nu-13 shares the same voice actor as Noel and Four and she's even crazier than four.
Mmmm... she behaves like typical player, everyone,just admit that you behaved like her at least once
That's the point behind Yoko Tara games
what?
@@sachiel197 imagine player in game with moral choices, she is one, but she is npc. It shows you how said player looks like
"Four, I'd like you to meet Sans from the Underground"
Gabriella is the Highlight XD
I know it’s wrong to shoot fleeing enemies in the back.
Keep in mind, if she didn’t kill those pirates. They would just go onto loot, rape, & pillage some poor town or village.
Of course, this being Four, how do we truly know that was the Elven pirates' intent? She could've massacred them to sate her ego and bloodlust, as well as to "purge" an "inhuman" race.
I doubt it was the fact she killed pirates but the fact she went psycho during it
Came here from discord bc I discovered decadus and thought he was hot. Now I’m just slightly uncomfortable
The fact that Decadus has the same VA as Liquid Snake and He-Man (2002) it makes his masochistic dialogues so much hilarious. 🤣
Well being way too into masochism isn't ALL there is about Decadus, for example he can be very sweet and protective, but God damn he can't shut up about his kink
At first, I was pinning most of the blame of the world's end on One. Then I would cover the other branches up with; "IT'S THE FLOWER! MY POOR SWEETHEART FOUR IS JUST GETTING TAKEN OVER BY THE FLOWER JUST LIKE TWO."
Nvm. I was wrong. She's even worse than wrong. I love her as a character, but I can't see her as the potential sister I wanted to keep alive anymore. ;-;
After reading "Drag-On Dragoon Shi ni Itaru Aka" be sure that Four was right in the end about the elves.
@@sayakavonseckendorff5557 That was just Nero and his sister though that were fucked up for the giggles. Arioch became fucked up because of the Empire Killing her family and the weapon she found driving her further insane.
@@meteornome2556 Depends, there's sufficient evidence to believe if there were already a few in the race like that then most probably are. Especially since Four was killing Elvan pirates, while they were retreating they would undoubtably pillage other places.
Someone could sympathize with the elf pirates but when they do pillage again people will just blame four anyway for not stopping them when she had the chance. Then her country is worst off. Ironically Four took one of their airships which in turn got stolen by Zero which got blew up by three's soldiers. At any rate, it was most likely the right call especially since the elves that were introduced tended to not be okay in the head. Heck most the faeries are douchebags but I'm sure some aren't but I have no evidence for that.
There probably aren't a lot if elves though since the empire was killing them off to fight the dragons.
@@zanemiracle6121
"Someone could sympathize with the elf pirates but when they do pillage again people will just blame four anyway for not stopping them when she had the chance."
I agree, and you know, it's funny that this applies to 1's Verdelet in the canon that led up to 2 as well. People hate him and also blame him for not trusting Angelus enough to keep the seal, and instead make those four other seals that required sacrifices of the defeated Imperials, and which also hurt Angelus enough to make Caim flip out. Thing is, if he did nothing and Angelus did eventually attack, and then caused the real apocalypse once her rampage was stopped, people would have had blamed him as well, and for good reason. Worse, given that Caim and Angelus were pact partners, the Angelus seal would have had probably been gone as soon as Caim died for literally any reason, so creating a back-up for that was just common sense.
I heard that Four's Prologue was done that way in large part after the character popularity poll in Japan landed her in 2nd place, just after Mikhail, who won, and ahead of Zero, who was 4th. After that, Yoko Taro decided he made her too sympathetic and used the prologue to redress that. All those people doing an 180 on Four's character from the base game to the Prologue and starting to call her "worst Intoner" or whatever a real testament to his powers of emotional manipulation.
I have a feeling her and Seryu from Akame ga kill would be great friends.
Geo Yes they would.... yes they would
I like how this Prologue foreshadowed the end of Game of Thrones.
Well, except that this scene was still far more justified, of course. Four is right that it's pretty meh as far as real warfare goes. Sucks to be on the receiving end of it, of course, but then again, whatever villages and towns those elves got to bombard from above while being completely immune to retaliation did not exactly have fun either.
48:45 that's four perfectly summed up in one sentence
Oh god i just realized that four’s voice actor is an Ophilia from Octopath and also a Shantae
I absolutely love Gabriella
Four's disdain towards elves is really messed up.
For Science! I will not tolerate such hatred towards Magician of Faith, Link (who is not Zelda), and the Dark Elves from the Spectral Force series lmao
For Science! LMAO! Leave my precious elves alone
People like Four and you is everything that's wrong with the Vanguard universe lol
Lmao you're terrible. Well Zero dealt with the elf hater accordingly
im a dwarf and i support her cause :D cause they shaved my beautiful beard....
After reading Four's novella, I can honestly say that she needs to be put in timeout and some serious therapy.
13:47 in my mind gabriella dabbed
Heart Connected I thought you someone else for second lol
56:41 I swear Mistress Four is such a cute thing i cant even handle it
She sounds like an austrian painter
You were hilarious today in drama class 😁
Oh my God. Four is just that one girl on instagram!
It already has been given hope 🙏🏿
God I wish i was Decadus, goodam lucky bastard
lmao Four kinda reminds me of Seryuu Ubiquitous
Though I have no idea if she's a bigger hypocrite than Seryuu.
The entire design of the game: "what if the main cast was a bunch of messed up monsters?"
Four herself: "her heart was cold", kills her own followers out of jealousy
Gabriella: "ur messed up and here's why:
Weeb simps: "she did nothing wrong and has a heart of gold"
So what Four is doing is "doing" pacifism huh? No wonder Zero despised her.
Also, in the first map, "reason with people"? Bitch you're just butchering them one by one with no means of "reasoning" with them...
Piper 9080 EXACTLY. That stupid hag!
XD that ia the point
But thats absurd though. Of fucking course you can't reason with loyal soldiers in the middle of a fucking war zone. That's asine. No amount of talking is going to get you out of the reality that accomplishing goals, even noble ones like Ones, is sometimes going to require people to die. That's life. There are a lot of criticisms you can easily apply to Four, but that sure as shit ain't one them.
I heard that Four's Prologue was done that way in large part after the character popularity poll in Japan landed her in 2nd place, just after Mikhail, who won, and ahead of Zero, who was 4th. After that, Yoko Taro decided he made her too sympathetic and used the prologue to redress that. All those people doing an 180 on Four's character from the base game to the Prologue and starting to call her "worst Intoner" or whatever a real testament to his powers of emotional manipulation.
@@carlosoliveira2965 If that's actually true, that would be an incredibly dickish and annoyingly petty move on Taro's part. Although then again, the guy IS a fucking basket case by all appearances, so eh.
Considering I'm not a fan of elves, I'm not too upset at Four killing all those pirates (Say this was The Legend of Zelda then it would be a different story, I have standards after all). Since the pirates would probably go on to rape, pillage, and burn, she was doing her country a favor, and considering most elves in Drakengard...let's go down the list. Arioch - insane child eating cannibal who ended up that way after seeing her children killed right in front of her (painful backstory, but considering she's even more insane and vicious than Caim, one has to wonder how normal she was before then), Yaha (a minor antagonist for us, but considering Urick's quotes, he wasn't a bad guy), Nero (misanthropic and hedonistic rapist who caused more problems for the Male One than he helped, I question the Male One's intelligence on keeping him around and not supervising him better), Nero's sister (killed one of her leaders and led the cult to take over the world, along with her brother, tried to advance the Red-Eyed disease). Seriously...the only good elf in this series is the one from Drakengard 2, and the only reason he was probably as sane as he was is because Taro didn't have complete control over the game.
That being said, Four's biggest issue is her zealous passion for purity and justice, or at least her own view of it. Essentially the manifestation of Zero's insecurities and suffering from her mother's abuse and being sold into prostitution, she tries to be the purest of her sisters in order to get over her feelings of inadequacy. Her very black-and-white moral viewpoint is likely reminiscent of how Zero felt, if she had been a perfect girl, then she would never have had to suffer. Similarly, if Four is good, then those who oppose her are evil, and her ruthless approach is a means of getting back at those that deny her happiness, much like Zero would have felt. But because Four has these feelings of inferiority so internalized, she can never be at peace because she looks at herself as worthless. Three and Five have the looks she desires, Two has the fairy tale like love with Cent, and One is the smartest of them all, so she tries to point out their flaws to make herself feel better, she places them on such a high pedestal while breaking herself, and that just makes her feel worse. She tries to be the team bridge to compensate, but despite her efforts, she can't get rid of the pain, which leads to anger towards her siblings because she feels so broken. The sad thing is she does genuinely love them, all of them, including Zero. Out of all her sister's, she may have the most care for Zero. When she tells Zero of a false memory of her protecting Four from bullies, or thinks Zero was under some possession despite it being blatantly false, she genuinely believes these things. Since her moral compass can't take shades of grey, she can't view her sisters as evil and wants them to be family, but because of that, she feels even more anger towards herself for hating them, leading it to manifest in zealous wrath towards anything she feels is a harm to them, a wrath she views as just, and causes her to be overcome by the flower and twisted even more, her final quotes to Zero showcasing her desire to be her eldest sister. She wants to be anyone but herself...
Most tragic characters in this story are Two, Cent, Zero, Mikhail, Michael, Four, and One in my viewpoint.
Lol its stupid to pile an entire race due to flawed messed up characters that were made that way cus yoko taro wanted to make a game that had awful people as the protagonists cus no ones done that before. Hence why nier is also a bunch of outcasts but not awful people necessarily. He keeps trying new things. Gabriella is the sense of reason here and points it out. Pirates don't go around bringing their families lol. And we see four using ridiculous reasoning for her actions since the first mission. Thats the whole point. She is messed up. Thats what yoko taro wanted
Actually, It's hard to hear, but at 57:10 the elf says the mothership has his family on it. So probably all the pirates's families were there.
Why do they sound like stereotypical Christmas elves? Aren't elves exactly the same as humans in this universe with just having slightly pointy ears?
They also live longer and possess magic and senses superior to that of humans.
I feel bad for Decadus
Yeah, and I thought the Empire was bad, then again: Cathedral City soldiers aren't that good [Laughs]
I’m sorry but i don’t think four was /that/ bad for killing the elves, they were literally pirates lmfao. Like yes she went kinda psycho about killing them and clearly has complexes about wanting to be perfect but I don’t think killing those pirate elves was that evil even though they were retreating
Killing people who are retreating and justifying it by saying “it’s not like they’re human” definitely isn’t that bad
@@DBShinnin lmaoo don’t get me wrong she was psycho for that but they /were/ pirates
@@DBShinnin I take the same point than Riku and most others here. Attacking a retreating army in a war is a viable strategy to make sure it cannot regroup and counter-attack later. While I understand what Taro tried to do with this DLC, it would have made much more sense to have Four see the carnage of these pirates, then followed them and attacked their home with gleeful laughter as she is burning pirates, women and children alike.
@@DBShinnin I mean they were also pirates, they’ll leave and then undoubtedly pillage again
I love four character
Then again, it's not her fault she's like that.
I love Gabriella. 💜
Ok, I like Gabriella and Four is a bitch and all... but why did Gabriella go along with it? The last mission would not be possible without her,plus she knew that One would not really approve of that, so... why burn the fleet?
Hate to admit it but it's probably just poor writing.
She was sent by One to assist Four, she would probably get into real shit if she disobeyed them.
Xcrysis
Gabriella was a very close friend of One's who dedicated herself to her dream out of love and admiration. She was a proud and perceptive dragon, not some cowardly lackey without a purpose.
@@mazin9193 Four was not doing anything that would warrant Gabriella betraying her. She was taking out a pirate FLEET, fully armed and over 20 strong. Four had genuine reasons to take them out, her soft psychopathy and pleasure while doing so notwithstanding.
I heard that Four's Prologue was done that way in large part after the character popularity poll in Japan landed her in 2nd place, just after Mikhail, who won, and ahead of Zero, who was 4th. After that, Yoko Taro decided he made her too sympathetic and used the prologue to redress that. All those people doing an 180 on Four's character from the base game to the Prologue and starting to call her "worst Intoner" or whatever a real testament to his powers of emotional manipulation.
Is that the voice of Noel Vermilion?
Yes it is.
And marinette from ladybug.
Aw, and I actually liked Noel's voice; now it's ruined for me.
Also of Homura Akemi from Madoka Magica
I was going to ask why the elves sound so squeaky and drakengard 3 because In drakengard 1 they sound like normal people but then I kind of thought maybe it's because Three look down on there race plus I doubt that Nero sounds like that
So this is what went on back in the day...
Four is fake as hell and a little arrogant. Although, I will give her a plus, she IS trying her best to do what is right. And yes, the elves she killed weren't really saints or even your typical human moral in nature. Hell, they're pirate elves in drakengard for f**ksakes. Honestly, the only thing wrong with her is that she takes pleasure in this, but that's it. If the game developer were trying to point out that morality isn't black and white, they should've made her more Seryu Ubiquitous than this or at least showed that there are indeed good elves. All in all, this feels pretty forced. And I think these sisters should return in another game, or at least in a remake that REALLY puts them in a bad light.
I think the entire game is already extremely morally ambiguous once you take all these DLC into account. One's probably the best at this, since she is the most pensive and reflective of them all, but fundamentally, the point is that all sisters bar Three were an improvement over what came before them and, going off Drakengard, over what came after them as well. However, since their methods of ascending to power were no different to Zero's methods of reaching them after they got the power (kill a lot of soldiers to get to the leaders), so knowing that they were doomed to be the Flower's conduit, the sad truth is that they should not have bothered, as they ended up killing a lot of people for the sake of about one year of peace, after which nearly everything they did was undone. One's fail-safe did save the world from the apocalypse, but only at the expense of turning the realms into a twisted mockery of what she wanted to achieve.
As for Four, she did not really do anything that any other medieval lord with the power of the dragon available would not have done in her place. Hell, in the original game, Caim both destroys freaking supply airships in an optional mission, and he is explicitly ordered to attack a fleeing army of "subhumans" while on dragonback in another mission. The difference is that the original game did not have as much of a VO budget as this game, and so it did not try so hard to guilt trip the player about it. Oh, and Caim was always the protagonist, so there is that bias too.
that sickly sweet evil monologue at the end gets me rock hard
decadus?
Who Knew Marinette was so crazy?
"Miraculous" is nothing more but Four's dream world. Quite litterally after season 5. What was Astruc thinking ?
If this was a fairy genocide, I'd be okay with that. But elves? Come on
civilian:human non combatant
it wasnt even genocide,she didnt killed civilians
btw killing bad guys is good
Hey, an elf in the first Drakengard literally ate children.
I don't hate Four because of the pirates, they were criminals. In fact, that might have been the only good thing she did in her reborn life.
Even before the DLC I already had my suspicions about her. I mean, the daemons clearly reflect the owner's colors, and hers is a fortress. Then there is Four's virginity, which Zero comments as evil. That's because the other way to satisfy your sexual desires besides the use of flesh can be the use of others's minds for your own amusement. Before the DLC, that's all I believed to be wrong with her. That she was a coward who seduced others and used them through a show of fake grace and virtue, to build an army that would serve as cannon fodder for her to run and live another day, never to fight.
there is the concept of the shadow self,all the things we might hide about our nature and personalities that we hide from ourselves
but in hiding from it,we lose control over it and it might instead subtly lead our choices and actions,and ocasionally might even lead to episodes where we behave according to this unresolved desires
four is very much someone that hasnt reconciled her nice side (her seemingly reasonable and cute ideals),and her supressed emotions (she wants both to be loved as a maiden but also taken sexually by someone forward, she feeld neglected and resents her sisters while also looking up to them)
at the core,she never truly accepted all about herself and so she lives frustrated about it,in equal parts longing/admiring and hating those traits (and the people she feels reflect them)
one second she suggests whiping,the next she reprimends other for fetishizing them (when she clearly has a streak for it)
@@valentinov901I really don't get this hate for Four (I dislike her, that doesn't necessarily mean I want her lifeless on the floor). I feel so bad for her. And One knew what was wrong with her. She just ignored it, even though Four supported her the most. It's shameful.
I like to think I reconciled with my shadow self. I mean, I feel satisfied with what I have.
I love Gabriella so much
Four: We have to kill these elves as they will just kill and plunder more innocents down the road.
Fanbase: Wow she's cruel and batshit insane.
Goblin Slayer: We have to slay these goblins even the young before they can rape and pillage any other society.
*worshipped*
While this was to show that 4 was batshit insane the evan part was not really the greatest example. I think her attacking helpless soldiers was better overall as in the end she only killed the Elves that were pirates and plundered not genocide on a whole species.
The main disgust is the amount of pleasure she takes in it. She's a zealot making her insane but moreso a zealot for what she believes to be justice. Although her actions in the grand scheme of things do actually do good. Her response amd excuses for them are what makes her a tad to really unlikable for most people
Goblin slayer is a dreamworld of mankind that there evil people to be annihilated.
Human beings wish to boss in hell more than to be loser in heaven.
That’s why hell is deserved.
A dragon literally told you how she was full of shit and the entire point of yoko taros design for these people. That they are all messed up in one way or another.
Meanwhile goblins never reasoned or pleaded with the slayer to spare their families. Still a shit version of berserk
Stop simping so hard
The entire point in Goblin Slayer is showing just how depraved and evil a race like the Goblins actually have to be to justify that kind of hatred being in the right. Most of the other evil species in that series, including the Lizardmen, are not treated the same way for a reason.
@@LuiBei1994 I mean, it isn’t trying to be berserk, so of course it would be a ‘shit version’
Leukemia can be a bad sympton to have...
Their swords are sharp though.
Four she is nuts
20:00 - Metal Gear Rising reference??? xD
_literally anything happens_
Decadus: "that's hot"
also #fourliterallydidnothingwronghere
4 is always a cutie. Right 💞✌
who's the leader that the soldier talked about in the beginning of the mission 1?
So is Four a representation of pride or envy?
Strawberry Seeds Envy
Sadism. She likes to kill and cause pain, but justifies it by "I was following orders". Classic nazi defense at the Nuremberg trials.
Four seems more along the lines of Wrath, when you put her bloodthirsty ways into consideration.
Thought about it but since she enjoys it too much, sadism makes more sense IMO, specially because she doesn´t sound... angry. Just sadistic
more like fanatical sense of justice
Best girl.
Idk why people think pirates shouldn't be attacked.
Nice "fleet that can't attack but is over 20 strong and heavily armed".
She's clearing the world of scum while helping her sisters.
I got that.
They fight to the death because they know they can´t surrender to Intoners. Because they die.
They had the right of self defense. If you are in an area where a bandit will kill you to steal, and wouldn´t let you live even if you surrendered... wouldn´t you always walk around armed to the teeth?
Jesus zero was right. I cant stand virgins lol
The whole point of this dlc is to show how messed up she is and how zero was right. How your boner made you miss yoko taros obvious story telling i will never know
Kinda missing the point my dood but yeah four has quite the character..
Man that Four sure is messed up, killing elves for the sake of justice so callously and believing herself the hero for this, that is evil, anyway off to saving the world in Age of Calamity by killing bokoblins in droves with my favorite humble hero Link
I kinda wished the dlc, or at least part of the dlc, were into the story: killing the sisters without some backstory, while interesting why later on, gave me pretty much no reason to care about their demises: if anything it made me feel bad at first until I realized their true identity and motivations. I wouldn't mind getting the dlc if it wasn't so expensive...
Two did nothing wrong at least not intentionally. One tried to help. Five didn't really do anything wrong either, she just went after what pleased her, her demise lead to the economic collapse of her country simply because she was the one driving it.
Four? Well...as long as you followed her commands you were good? Still pretty screwed up.
Three? Deserved. Every bit. Friend or foe, you were not safe under her command.
@@zanemiracle6121 Yeah it's like.....I can't decide who is worse - Three or Four. I can't stand how much hate Four carries with her, no matter how real it might hit home for some people. And Yoko Taro made Four's slaughter of the Elven pirates a big fat question mark for a reason. I see it as racism and barbaric. It's not like this happened in the middle of a battle. Four actively sought them out and chased them down while they were fleeing. One didn't order that, did she? Four just did it to "impress One."
So in that aspect, Four and Three are heartlessly slaughtering lives, but for different reasons. And when it comes to "obedience" for Four, everyone has a different view of what an "ideal world" would look like. What Four has in mind might not be what the people under her reign really need. Frankly, I always get suspicious of anyone who preaches about an "ideal world," and a "better world," be they an actual real life human or a character in a video game or story.
@@beckyweiss6072 Four is worse and more hateable because she's a hypocrite and always trying to pull an excuse to make herself looks good. Three is at least honest that she's a straight up villain.
@@RPGNoZero that’s basically why I loathe four so much. I have a special loathing for those that commit mass murder and other such acts in the name of self righteousness. I wouldn’t say Three considers herself a villain - she just does things that she knows people frown upon and her reaction is basically “why is it bad?” She literally doesn’t get it, and it’s due to a genuine lack of understanding. *Zero* on the other hand, is unapologetic about being a killer. While naturally what she does/did as a human was horrid, it’s just she’s self aware and not a hypocrite in the slightest
I heard that Four's Prologue was done that way in large part after the character popularity poll in Japan landed her in 2nd place, just after Mikhail, who won, and ahead of Zero, who was 4th. After that, Yoko Taro decided he made her too sympathetic and used the prologue to redress that. All those people doing an 180 on Four's character from the base game to the Prologue and starting to call her "worst Intoner" or whatever a real testament to his powers of emotional manipulation.
Oh man, four is so awesome. And she is right too, it is better to completely obliterate an enemy before they can regroup and strike back. That dragon is nuts in saying, that killing a fleet of FREAKING PIRATES is somehow wrong and not morally justified. OH man, four wants me to play a Paladin in DnD and have a life mission of killing all those inferior races so humans have more living room. Deus welt! Her sidekick is a deeply depraved man, though, no wonder she doesn't let him touch her.
1Maklak Jesus the virgins in the comments get more and more psycopathic
Your mad also those pirates didn’t do anything wrong. They are not fours enemy in the first place. Four attacked them and made them an enemy. And you are justifying their actions for attacking non hostile enemies. And do you know why most people become pirates. There is a chance they are just trying to survive.
You missed the point of the dlc dood 😂 it was about zero being spot on with her rant on four
@@anon_148 honestly these guys were getting annoying, this isn't fucking one piece where there's actually some good pirates. The elves in Drakengard are fucked up, despite being a sadist, I see nothing wrong with what four did.
@@mousysaint9143 You mean they rewarded the terrorists with virgins I:
ماكاين غي الرفس والحوا
Este juego es una obra maestra y por si fuese poco nier autonama y el original nier tambien lo son
Pero.. odio el puto final con el boss musical de este juego xD
I would love for four to meet Nero 😏 i really want to know what Will happen
I think he'd sexually abuse her.
Cant find the song of the last mission anywhere wtf
Yoko taro:
"I want drakenguard to have a main cast of monsters and super messed up people. As almost no game does that. However the main game didn't show that for the sisters or flesh them out so I will add the prologues to do that and make sure Gabriella explicitly states what's going on on fours prologue and why she's awful, why twos disciple isn't just an asshole, why 5s is messed up, how truly twisted 3 is etc"
Weeb simps: "bRo fOuR dID noThInG wRoNG tHeY wErE clEaRly pIrAtes wHo juST HaPpen to have their families on board for some reason. And since 3 elf characters are shit their entire race must be lol"
She also killed all of her followers out of jealousy
"She also killed all of her followers out of jealousy
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Okay let's not be telling lies up in here, you know damn well that only happened due to the influence of the flower on her and her already fragile mental state from fighting Zero. People bashing on Four for killing the elves seem to forget that the other intoners yes even Two, have killed for One and that Cain shot down Refugee airships which is even worse, only voices weren't added to make us feel bad for them
So Four is basically a fascist general, or a cop with an us vs them mentality. All shiny, simple and self-righteous in the outside and *fucked up* in the inside. I personally get it, so thank goodness I don't have power. 😉
she epic
Better keep her away from the DC Supervillains
Kill the Dragon!!!!