Ballhandling calls are always subjective, but I have officiated everything from 4th grade AAU, to high school to D3 college matches and I would not have called that last lift at any of those levels. It seems in his explanation to the players that he called it because her arms weren't together, but the simple definition of a lift call is that it makes prolonged contact with a body part(s) while being played. Whether her arms were together, apart or only hit one of her hands/arms, the speed of which the ball came out shows that while maybe ugly, it wasn't prolonged contact. A common misconception I unfortunately see all the time while playing/coaching/officiating is that EVERY scramble ball played close to the net (or out of the net) in an underhand motion is automatically a lift. It all depends on the contact of the ball, not where the contact originates.
My team keeps telling me I do a lift whenever I do an underhand hit from at or below waist height, but I usually strongly disagree. I have read the FIVB rulebook, and it says nothing about a "lift" rule, only prolonged contact/ caught or thrown balls. I feel like it might be a misconception created by the hand signal itself looking similar to an underhand hit. I would disagree with the judge here, as it might be called a double hit if the hands hit one after the other, but the ball clearly rebounded off the hands rather than being thrown.
1) no violation to me 2) yes that was the correct call 3) inconclusive, it is not possible to tell if the person caught the ball, because the pol is in the way.
First, I agree with the double call. The left hand pushed it a lot more than the right hand did hence the top spin on the ball. Should not be able to play that ball over the net. Second was just a lazy touch call. Could be much more crisp. The third call no way is that a lift if her hands are together. There wasn't any prolonged contact and the ball was popped.
HI, Delores Thank You for the great question.. A lift mechanic is the exact same mechanic to show a player performed a catch violation. At times you can exaggerate the motion by extending your arm further down like is what performed in the video.
In our organization, we are trying to eliminate the concept of "automatic" calls. Playing the ball with an underhand, open palm is one of those. If the ball rebounds from the contact, it is not illegal. Even the video quality on this clip is not the best, I feel perhaps the referee is succumbing to this and not fully watching the contact.
Justin thank you for the question and feel free to comment or ask questions on any video we post. You are right a lift could have been called but its all up to the official if they keep it tight or loose or advantage or disadvantage how much he or she is willing to give on plays and keep it consistent.
First video…..Double Second video…sort of the right signal but a poor example of doing it correctly. Third video, absolutely nothing to call there. Fourth, and kill me if you want, I still despise seeing the players wearing masks even now.
Ballhandling calls are always subjective, but I have officiated everything from 4th grade AAU, to high school to D3 college matches and I would not have called that last lift at any of those levels. It seems in his explanation to the players that he called it because her arms weren't together, but the simple definition of a lift call is that it makes prolonged contact with a body part(s) while being played. Whether her arms were together, apart or only hit one of her hands/arms, the speed of which the ball came out shows that while maybe ugly, it wasn't prolonged contact. A common misconception I unfortunately see all the time while playing/coaching/officiating is that EVERY scramble ball played close to the net (or out of the net) in an underhand motion is automatically a lift. It all depends on the contact of the ball, not where the contact originates.
My team keeps telling me I do a lift whenever I do an underhand hit from at or below waist height, but I usually strongly disagree.
I have read the FIVB rulebook, and it says nothing about a "lift" rule, only prolonged contact/ caught or thrown balls.
I feel like it might be a misconception created by the hand signal itself looking similar to an underhand hit.
I would disagree with the judge here, as it might be called a double hit if the hands hit one after the other, but the ball clearly rebounded off the hands rather than being thrown.
Two separate fist is double?
1) no violation to me 2) yes that was the correct call 3) inconclusive, it is not possible to tell if the person caught the ball, because the pol is in the way.
first one is the most flagrant foul ive ever seen. Ball cant spin this way like that unless you touch it twice
First, I agree with the double call. The left hand pushed it a lot more than the right hand did hence the top spin on the ball. Should not be able to play that ball over the net. Second was just a lazy touch call. Could be much more crisp. The third call no way is that a lift if her hands are together. There wasn't any prolonged contact and the ball was popped.
On the catch violation, is that the same as a “lift” hand signal? The angle in which it shows the violation is kind of hard to read
HI, Delores
Thank You for the great question.. A lift mechanic is the exact same mechanic to show a player performed a catch violation. At times you can exaggerate the motion by extending your arm further down like is what performed in the video.
In our organization, we are trying to eliminate the concept of "automatic" calls. Playing the ball with an underhand, open palm is one of those. If the ball rebounds from the contact, it is not illegal. Even the video quality on this clip is not the best, I feel perhaps the referee is succumbing to this and not fully watching the contact.
I was thinking they were calling the lift on first contact not the second. Her hands were in a position that a catch could be called.
Justin thank you for the question and feel free to comment or ask questions on any video we post. You are right a lift could have been called but its all up to the official if they keep it tight or loose or advantage or disadvantage how much he or she is willing to give on plays and keep it consistent.
First video…..Double
Second video…sort of the right signal but a poor example of doing it correctly.
Third video, absolutely nothing to call there.
Fourth, and kill me if you want, I still despise seeing the players wearing masks even now.