Itachi can do everything Sasuke can do & more atp with more experience, so I'd vote Itachi. Sasuke has no sealing Jutsus tmk, so I don't see how he can permanently get rid of Edo Itachi. If 2 ppl are equals, yet 1 is immortal, I'm going with the immortal lol
Come on now y'all were biased towards the Uchiha brothers here. Obito was fighting Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Guy and the only reason they could ever land a hit on him was because Kakashi had access to the other version of kamui. 1v4 and they barely did anything even with Kakashi's kamui. Also you gotta take into account that Kabuto didn't have killer intent either, as he stated that he wanted to rewrite Itachi's edo tensei and keep Sasuke alive. They struggled pretty hard against Kabuto and they won via the ass pull izanami. If Itachi wasn't edo, Kabuto would most likely win. Taking these 2 fights into consideration, I really can't see Itachi and Sasuke beating WM Obito, ESPECIALLY with the biijus and ghedo statue. Absolutely no chance.
If kamui wasn't sealed he wouldn't have tried to capture minato Also he didn't use the rinni abilities because they had all seen them before and knew how to cancel them You're really trying to downplay obito in this fight
@@blackblitz2011 if you say so. In any case, Kakashi also says that he might also be because he’s controlling the Bijuu and that it takes a lot of chakra to do so.. which Obito doesn’t even deny. So them knowing the Rinnegans abilities is not the ONLY reason
@@blackblitz2011 also, if they knowing the Rinnegans abilities is your argument, then it’s very likely Itachi knows the Rinnegans abilities after spending so much time in the Akatsuki. After all, it didn’t seem like it took Itachi long at all to figure out how to stop Planetary Devastation so you could infer he’s knowinglable on the Rinnegans abilities at least to a decent extent
@@TheLightningBlade @LightningSnow_ I probably should clarify that in no way do I think obito wins this majority of the time, there's plenty of reason as to why he can't. First being he needs the tailed beast and if itachi seals any he can't use the 10 tails which is a loss. So he wouldn't use them vs itachi forcing him to do a 1v2 which he wouldn't lose, but never win forcing a stalemate, unless he captures sasuke which itachi would always prevent. If he catches itachi then calls the other 6 jinchuriki to kill sasuke he could win, but that's still a issue because sasuke will more then likely force a kamui fade once which will lead to obito getting killed or sealed by itachi who's in the kamui dimension. My issue is obito is broken enough to the point that if sasuke gets caught on kamui and obito fights him 1 on 1 he will likely win, in fact he could even bring the jinchuriki in the kamui dimension just so he doesn't lose control of them and make it a 7 v 1 But again when he comes back he still loses to itachi since he can't use the jinchuriki incase 1 gets sealed and in a 1 v 1 I do see itachi taking the just because of his fighting IQ
This. Minato also wouldn’t acknowledge the fight would be over if obitos attack landed when he knew obito was using both a transportation jutsu that he claimed surpassed his own, but also that the thing obito was using to slip through things and the thing to warp was the same jutsu, meaning wherever obito is sending his body to In order to phase clearly isn’t a place that would cause physical harm otherwise he wouldn’t be able to remain unharmed when phasing through things. Yet despite all of this minato knew it would be game over if sent to kamui, meaning he knew he couldn’t escape. Also just a common sense type of thing, this mf been trying to send people to kamui the entire anime, and kamui in general has been a troublesome jutsu the entire anime just to say something as simple as reverse summoning would work on it feels silly
Lol, I knew the winner the moment I heard Loko's voice. Naruto, Kakashi, Gai, Bee >>> Sasuke and Itachi, and they struggled to land a hit on Obito even with greater knowledge *and* Kakashi' own Kamui. And no, we're not entertaining Loko's "trust me, bruh". The bros are cucked.
I'm genuinely curious. Why is it everytime theres an Obito video, his other abilities are never mentioned or are just outright dismissed? Obito doesn't just have Kamui, he has other abilities like The Uchiha Forbidden Jutsu, Six Paths Jutsu, Inton and Yoton Shadow and Light Style Jutsu, Earth Style, Black Rods, Giant Shuriken, Giant Kunai, Giant Rods that restrain Biju Power, Chakra adsorption, Gunbai Fan, Ten Tails, Jinchuriki Kekkei Genkai etc...
I mean, canonically, the reason he never used the six paths abilities was be ause the leaf saw them and knew how to counter them. Sasuke should have 0 idea of how the rinnegan works. Itachi should have good knowledge of it however. I still think a bansho tenin to bring sasuke towards him and sucking him the the kamui dimension seems like a good strat.
A few things, ten tails absolutely not. That's like saying naruto vs sasuke and then giving naruto the shinobi alliance as an ability or support. That's a narrative teammate that wouldn't be reasonable to add to a vs battle. His other abilities absolutely could have been included but then you could say they could have shown the rest of the itachi and sasuke abilities too. I am assuming, because the abilities are not big battle changers would be a good reason to not go in depth about them. I do agree that they would be mentioned more for argument sake. I do believe that in this fight the video was already long and they talked about the important stuff. Either way Itachi and Sasuke would beat Obito. It's a huge stretch assuming Obito would win.
@midsectionmark8956 Naruto and Sasuke can't summon the Ninja alliance while Ten Tails is part of Rinnegan Obito's actual arsenal, and not to mention he has the Sages Sealing Tools, this version Obito is beyond haxed. Absolutely no way the Uchiha bro's stand a chance.
The nerf for Obito is insane yall made it seem like obito only has kamui amd the only reason he didn't use the rinneagan abilities were because Naruto kakashi and Guy were informed of it already obito has the gedo manzo Black receiver rods that can paralysis Chaka couted shuriken strong enough to cut 8 tails tenticals bomb blast dance has kamui as a warp and he also has the outer chains that are strong enough to subdue tailed beasts plus he has feats on kcm2 better feats than sauake
And the Uchiha flame barrier his taijutsu is equal to guy kakashi and Naruto plus Itachi can not reverse summon he has no blood💀 plus his wood style is no joke it could just absorb the chakra from amaterasu and bind
The kamui sealed dimension thing, if you could just reverse summon out, would Obito really try to suck Minato into there if he could just FTG out? I also don’t remember if Obito knew he was teleporting or just moving very quickly at the time
Yeaaah his scaling is wack in general. Go through every hoop to wank Sasuke then turn around and take a character like Minato then low ball him based on a surprise feat like Bee's tentacle.
@@TheLightningBladeyou can't use reverse summon without blood so itachi can't escape plus yall just ignored Obito other abilities look for them at the top of the comments
White mask? Idk that's pretty rough he wasn't even worried about Kabuto with Nagato and Itachi edos and only worked with him cause of Madara. High diff maybe but Obito could definitely win this.
Maybe. But it’s open to interpretation. For example, Itachi was the only one in the Edo group Kabuto summon who wasn’t nerfed in some way. Which maybe why Obito wasn’t too worried. Also, Obito didn’t know anything about Kabuto abilities as of then. So it’s 50/50 with the other argument being he just planned to retreat with Kamui. But EMS Sasuke is definitely stronger than all of those nerfed Edo Tensei
And that was before the rinnegan plus the jinchuriki lol I really don’t understand this fandom bro it’s like they pick and choose what parts of the anime to pay attention too.
The reverse summon is a dumb argument, if that were possible Obito would not think of sucking minato into his kamui dimension since he knows minato can also teleport
I strongly disagree I think obito would win this high diff since he was fight kcm2 Naruto and three other opponents all at the same time until they literally had to use his own eye just to touch him😂😂😂
Well to be fair we did say everyone was relative in terms of speed not so much anyone had better speed or reaction time. But thank you bro I appreciate the support 💪🏻
Sage kabuto in that cave is a way bigger threat than obito😂 And they hit him like 3 different times even a few times with amateradu and held back to not kill him@@slimxjimki
@i.q.1979 It definitely would hurt obito if they got a shot off, o ly literal god gods were able to take that shit, even naruto got plot srmoured to be immune to it just because they wanted sasuke to have no win cons
How small do you assume the kamui dimension is to casually see Obitos body phasing in and out of it? Sasuke was healing in the kamui dimension and didn't see Obitos phasing in and out. Nor did he see Danzos henchmen after Obito sucked them in. Sounds like a bias handicap to force a narrative
And yet, whenever Obito sucked in Kakashi Obitos body was right there every time he phased… so if it’s in the same fight I don’t see why Obitos body parts ARENT gonna appear to whichever Uchiha brother is in Kamui
@LightningSnow_ Kakashi is the only other person in the series that possesses kamui. It's more likely that he's the exception to the rule. Danzos henchmen were fully conscious when they got sucked in. Why wouldn't they end the series early if kamui was that flawed?
Can you prove Sasuke didn’t see Obito phasing while he was in there? Danzo’s henchman also got incapacitated by Obito after they are pulled in, so that’s not even relevant.
@2_loko incapacitated? Obito kicked his own arm to distract one and then sucked him in the split second he took his eyes off him. He sucked in the other by sneaking behind him. They were both conscious and they were both never seen again in any kamui dimension scene. Did they land on an injured Sasuke and Karin when they entered and just ran away? Sasuke nor Karin mentioned seeing them. Can you prove that Sasuke and Karin saw Obito phasing in and out?
@@jasonrust8568 Obito later states that he put them under Sharingan-based Genjutsu the entire time and offers them to Kabuto as sacrifices for the Edo Tensei. Sasuke and Karin aren’t required to always speak their observations out loud and characters thoughts aren’t always shown, you’re making an appeal to silence which is inherently fallacious. Also, L burden shift. I’m not required to prove YOUR claim, you made the assertion that Sasuke and Karin never saw Fuu and Torune, therefore it’s YOUR responsibility to prove it. Do better bud
Idk man they only won against Kabuto because of Itachi taking advantage of Edo tensei to survive fatal attacks and their only win con was Izanami. Obito scales pretty handedly over Kabuto imo. Like Obito stared at Sage Kabuto+the rest of the Akatsuki including Itachi and didn’t show a reaction until Madara was summoned lmao
they were badly holding back against kabuto, he got hit with the totsuka blade and they didnt seal him, he got hit with arrows without amaterasu, got tagged by amaterasu but they didnt make it burn him, they didnt try at all because all of their jutsu are one shot kills. if they could kill kabuto either one wouldve low diffed him
That's a good point, but then again itachi being careless as and edo tensai is very in line with how most of people fought as an edo tensai. Even Madara wasn't ripping about getting hit by attacks he could have dodged as an edo tensai. I look at it this way. If we as a fandom is debating itachi vs obito and sasuke vs obito 1 v 1's , there's no logical sense to believe whit mask obito is beating itachi and sasuke. The brothers are abosulety winning. Juubito is the only time obito is winning.
Even if kamui is a sealed Dimension He can only suck one Person at the time and they would find out his trick. They would attack from both sides, in this fight He can only use it to Phase. But if you give him bijuu or all rinnegan abilities He wins mid diff
Obito still has better knowledge about Uchiha clan than Itachi and Sasuke does. Obito wins He basically knows Itachi's every move and he don't underestimate him. He will try to seal itachi.
Knowing and being able to do anything about it is two different things. Itachi can react to any kamui sucks and he's not sealing Itachi before Sasuke and Itachi beats him.
@@JudeBernard-br3mu Saying your hypothesis as a real feat is invalid either. First learn to say about real feats and there's no feat of him reacting to Kamui and he can win. Also he can use Uchiha formation and Edo jinchuriki, so it's mid diff if he goes full potent. He can predict their Itachi kinjutsu Izanagi and Izanami and he has rinnegan + sealing chains.
How does Sasuke scale above that version of mastered KCM 1 Naruto when he’s been fighting in the war wayyyy longer than him? That’s not even him at full strength but ok….
Naruto actually gets healed by Sakura right before Sasuke arrived and Kurama should be consistently making more chakra to replenish Naruto’s stamina. There’s no reason why Naruto wouldn’t be at his full strength, if not stronger than he was before due to having much better control over Kurama’s chakra
@@2_loko wear and tear.body cant be recovered to 100% and then there's the mental aspect.Its shown in the series many times that there's a limit to what healing can do to a worn out body.example naruto vs Sasuke at valley of the end narutos arm was completely numb from using kc and tjats what was healing and protecting him
For everyone saying that Lightning and Loki DIDNT bring up the Rinnegan abilities.. 16:14 they literally start talking about it.. ppl just aren’t paying attention and wanna just run their mouth
If we’re granting that they can just reverse summon out, you kinda have to grant that Obito with even just 1 rinnegan, can be proficient enough to use its abilities usefully. He’s competent for one, and two, he knows how it works from all those years watching nagato.
Kcm2 naruto and ems sasuke are just not on the same lvl.I dont see ems sasuke blocking a bijuu blast from the 10 tails with his susanoo. Ems sasuke is kcm lvl
Well, Sealed implies a different connotation than Barrier. Also, the statement is also referring to Kakashi’s long-range warping ability when it talks about him capturing his opponent in the “distortion at the center of the barrier,” so it sounds to me like the warping ability IS the barrier, as it’s almost impossible to escape or run once you’re already being drawn in.
The whole reverse summoning argument is bs. At best it works once or twice. The amount of chakras obito needed to open dimensions that weren’t his (kaguya) means reverse summoning if at all possible would probably cost too much chakra to be considered a counter to the kamui win con
Sasuke summons a hawk to Kaguya's lava dimension and doesn't make any kind of note about it costing an abnormal amount of chakra. There is zero evidence that it wouldn't work; at best you can argue they wouldn't think to do it immediately. Also, the fact that the dimensions weren't his had nothing to do with the chakra cost. What Obito says is the the time-space is incredibly vast. Linking those vast time-spaces is what costs so much chakra, and Kaguya being able to do it instantly amazes Obito. Nobody can prove that there is anything special about any of these dimensions; including Obito's.
@@NarutosRasengan5 Pure headcanon that's contradicted by the story itself. The hawk is much bigger than "a whole person", and the reverse summoning is described as being the same transportation jutsu as the normal summoning. Team 7 and the bijuu also get summoned by the former Kage from a _dimension they have no access to_ after Kaguya is sealed. Obito thinks Kaguya's dimensions are "incredibly vast", so summoning someone from Obito's dimension shouldn't take nearly as much effort; if that's even a factor to begin with.
@@whispr_2MEI think you need sage of six paths powers to do that as we see nobody else summoning beings to other dimensions apart from sasuke and hogoromo
@@JL-zv6ki Obito connects Kaguya's dimensions together with portals fueled by Sakura's non-sixpaths byakugo chakra. The only note he ever makes about it is about how Kaguya can connect the vast space-times instantly. The way Kaguya does it is exclusive to her just because of the massive chakra cost; nothing to do with having six paths power or not.
@@TheLightningBladewhen have sasuke and itachi ever showed the capability of being able amatarasu 7 whole ass whole tailed beasts before any of them can launch tailed beast bombs. I don’t think either at this point have any amatasrsu feat that would suggest they could pull this off
@@drhashtagyolo well being that Kakashi had even a split second to activate his MS in order prepare to use Kamui while the Bijuu were charging up the Bijuu bombs… it should be equally likely that Amaterasu that can just spawn should do the same… especially if they’re just standing there while they’re charging up the Bijuu bomb
@@vaughnjackson6297Itachi has Yata mirror a safe of six paths shield that he would have use to fight Juubi Kaguya lol. 7 tailed beast balls are nothing
I’ve always been a fan of the channel but the reverse summoning argument seemed a bit forced. Wouldn’t someone have tried at some point to leave the kamui dimension since it’s been his main kill tactic until now? Maybe he goes back inside the dimension and finishes off his kill. It just seems a bit far fetched, that was my only gripe. I say this to have a respectful discussion not argument. I appreciate any and all feedback
Reverse Summoning is a legitimate escape from Kamui. There's just 2 "conditions" that have to be met. 1. You have to actually know Reverse Summoning is a thing in the first place. And this has only been done TWICE in the _history_ of the Shinobi World. By Jiraiya and Sasuke. But Jiraiya did it by mistake, only Sasuke did it on purpose. 2. You have to be *smart* enough to do it in the midst of a battle.... Jiraiya wasn't smart enough to think of doing it when he died against Pain even though he definitely knows it's a thing. Therefore, Sasuke having performed it before and both Sasuke & Itachi having 2 of the absolute HIGHEST IQ & Battle IQ in the series makes it almost certain that they'll both use Reverse Summoning as a constant counter to Kamui Sasuke + Itachi mid diff WM Obito
@thmistrapillay1811 You actually thought you cooked here? 🤦♂️ 1. Reverse summoning has been done by Fukasaku, Gamakichi, Jiraiya, Kabuto, Sasuke, Shima etc 2. Jiraiya literally had the option to do it against Pain and chose to stay. It's said by Pa that Jiraiya could've escaped whenever he wanted.
@@EternalWanderer657 never seen someone so confident after replying with the most brain-dead take👏 1. I literally mentioned Jiraiya and Sasuke specifically and you decided to repeat them as if making a point, how about learning to read before replying 🙃 2. I literally said "Shinobi World", are ma & pa toad shinobi?..... I'll give you some time. 3. Kabuto has never used RS on himself as an escape, he's performed it on separate entities. Not the same as what Sasuke or Jiraiya did 4. Pa Toad Sage just said escape, Jiraiya was just too stupid to think of Reverse Summoning himself, pa was just gonna do the work for him at best You know you embarrassing yourself like this could've been avoided if you just read before trying to sound smart
@@thmistrapillay1811 Coming from the guy who just typed a brain-dead take 🥱 1. "And this has only been done TWICE In the history of the shinobi world." That's incorrect, it's been done more than twice. 2. Ma and Pa are integral parts of the shinobi world, existing within its framework. 3. Whether Kabuto performed the jutsu on himself or not, it remains a fact that Kabuto executed the jutsu. 4. "Pa Toad Sage just said escape," And "Reverse Summoning" is escaping via summoning back to one's original location. 💀 You've embarrassed yourself, I merely corrected you. Feel free to continue defending your mistake and digging your own grave.
@@EternalWanderer657 Kid careful, you're losing more and more IQ points the more you talk😂 - "mA & pA aRe An inTegRaL pARt tO tHe sHinOBi wOrLd" Cool story kid, so how about actually answering the question.... are they shinobi? Was this question a bit too difficult for you😭 - "KaBUto sTill pERformEd iT" Lol no. I'm starting to think you actually can't read, Kabuto did a completely different type of summoning. Sasuke & Jiraiya very specifically Reverse Summoned themselves which was the entire point of this topic both in my comment and in the video. *kid fr having trouble reading💀* -lol no one in that situation said _ANYTHING_ about RS, not Pa, not Ma, and not Jiraiya. You're just butt hurt Jiraiya was too dumb to think of it at that time. "Escape" absolutely does NOT imply Jiraiya or the toads were thinking specifically of RS. That's just you coping😂 I know you won't, and will probably reply with another comment with about 2 braincells behind it, .... but _please_ save yourself, just leave cause I'm getting 2nd hand embarrassment from you
@thmistrapillay1811 - Read your own words carefully, you said "And this has only been done TWICE in the history of the shinobi world." The term "shinobi world" refers to the entire world where various beings, including shinobi and non-shinobi alike, reside. I love how you're changing it specifically to shinobi now because you got caught slipping. - Kabuto is listed as a reverse summoning user so it doesn't matter what you say. - Toads primarily use reverse summoning as a method for rapid long-distance travel and escape💀 Jiraiya, Pa, Gamakichi and Shima all do it so what else would he be referring to, walking away or better yet hopping away? 😂 keep digging son.
itachi chilling in the kamui dimension when he sees obito's buttchecks faze in & with a smile we see the totsuka blade flare up, outside sasuke looks confused as obito on the ground tweaking.
No way man lol. If me and you can think of that that would be a bad idea for obito, you think him with all his experience in battle and with his abilities wouldn’t? 😭😭
We see that Obito can calibrate his Kamui to access Kaguya's dimensions, which I think implies that Kamui is just an ability that creates portals. I'm convinced that Obito's dimension is just a random time-space somewhere that happens to be what the Kamui is calibrated to by default. Sasuke was able to summon a hawk to Kaguya's lava dimension, so I just can't think of any reason why the Kamui dimension would be different. Obito comments on how vast Kaguya's dimensions are, and is amazed that she can connect them in an instant. If anything Kamui is just a lower tier knock off version of what Kaguya does with Yomotsu Hirasaka and her dimensions. It's likely that Obito was just planning to separate Naruto from the others to deal with him later; thinking that Naruto wouldn't even come up with reverse summoning as a solution. I honestly think Kishimoto probably shouldn't have introduced reverse summoning as an evasive strategy in the first place. It potentially trivializes some techniques that are otherwise kind of broken; like Kamui or Chibaku Tensei. At best you can argue that it's just not in character for them to use reverse summoning in this way, but logically it should be a valid strategy.
Why does everyone assume that Obito cant choose where sucked in objects/people are located in kamui dimension...? We cant see all the gear he stores there but he is able to acces it on the spot at all times. He also let whole Sasuke's team chill there, including Karin that is a sensor type and she clearly was not able to locate Obito's chakra when he was phasing. Kakashi was a special case tho
@@JudeBernard-br3mu wrong tho. Those animals are an ability of the rennigan. He doesn’t need to use blood like a normal summon. Sasukes ability is not to summon itachi. It doesn’t work like that
All these people are just saying how to beat Kamui, and ignore everything else. I was going to leave a comment, about the constant lowballs, and pretty much assuming Obito could only use Kamui, but this video just kept getting worse and I couldn’t keep up. I don’t even know where to begin. Don’t scale without DygoKnight he’s your daddy and you’re his sidekick. Robin can’t Robin without Batman. I actually thought this would be a good video. But the last few videos you made just seem like lazy head cannon pod cast conversations. And using AI translate to debunk how Kamui works. 🤦🏾♂️
@@TheLightningBlade I obviously take Naruto too seriously, but lazy videos like this just do a disservice to the already confused community. The quality of your work is always good, but this was just a lazy half assed analysis compared to your previous work. Maybe it’s the dog 🐶 dude but I just expected a better more exciting analysis .
@@TheLightningBlade Don't listen to the haters although like I said Obito was downplayed that doesn't take away from the effort you put into these videos man. Keep your head up and keep up the good work
I wouldn’t necessarily say this Obito in particular is overrated. He’s pretty busted. But I don’t think people give both Itachi and EMS Sasuke enough credit especially as a team. 1v1 I think he beats both of them but together possibly countering his Kamui is a bit tough
@@TheLightningBlade yeah he is pretty busted but a lot of ppl think that kamui has no counterplay or weaknesses (e.g. it’s cast time) and makes Obito untouchable which is nonsense
if Obito trys to pull sasuke or itachi in with the kamui they can simply manifest their susanoo to throw Obito out of range we saw sasuke did it to danzo
I don't know how the video ends. Itachi's yasaka beads would've to he above Madara's ,and I know Madara is stronger than Itachi so his definitely stronger. Naruto defended against both Madara's assault and Obito's shurikens and black poles that he sent via kamui. Obito while being ambushed was still a tier above EMS Sasuke: got raikiri'd by Kakashi (intentionally),got the rinne rebirth used on him by Madara,Obito still deflected Sasuke's enton arrow by the black rods that pierced him as a result of Madara's rinne rebirth, he after that got ftg'd by Kcm Minato who sliced him and Obito still became the jubijin!!!!!! Sasuke and Itachi would have to be above Killer bee,Kakashi, Guy and Naruto to put him down. Plus we have other showings that both brothers need to be above to win.
Itachi’s eyes still bleed whenever he performs Amaterasu despite being an Edo Tensei. And yes, Sasuke is more than enough to defeat Obito by himself, especially if he can’t phase through attacks.
Itachi's Totsuka blade is stated as it can't cut Kabuto's webs and Orochimaru's Kusanagi blade can't cut Naruto's V2 state and You know what Totsuka blade is varient of kusanagi 😂
The desert dimension was too hot and dry for him to think straight . Obito's dimension has a neutral climate. 🙂 Plot induced stupidity is also possible. The mechanics of it simply cannot be questioned as we literally see them get summoned from Kaguya's dimension after sealing her. Obito's dimension is not comparable to any of Kaguya's, so your argument doesn't hold water anyway.
Im not sure if snow and loko are persons that subsribed to the statement of orange msk obito being stronger than pain but if you are then you should be saying rinnegan obito beats these two😂
This makes no sense obito would win he literally fought stronger opponents while he was still outnumbered in a 1v4 and I already knew who was gonna win as soon as I saw loko in this vid😆😆😆the downplay in this video for obito is crazy
Honestly amatarasu is a win for them as well . If one of them gets kamuid just imagine obito getting hit with amatarasu simultaneously in kamui and in reality . He’s BBQd
Is it a coincidence that the people arguing for Obito have no good arguments? Nope, 100% of the community are literally the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. It's no different than little kids arguing with each other 😂😂.
A fight I've always wanted to see was madara and Obito vs shisui as an adult sadly we don't know how strong he'd be😢 fugaku Sasuke and a non sick itachi
@@gaara_death88 well I’d honestly give it to Itachi to know at least a good extent how Kamui works since Itachi was the ONLY one to pick up the fact Obito was sneaking around the Leaf Village and due to him being in the Akatsuki for so long and him knowing the “true identity” of Tobi I feel like with how resourceful Itachi is he’d know at least a decent bit of Kamui and how it works. Could be reading and head cannon but that’s just me
Obito losing to the dou lbvs. Either one can easily deal with the bijuu given yata mirror, genjustu, and Ama lol which is literally a one shot against them. It's been hinted multiple times that Itachi had ways around Kamui. Obito had to use izanagi to escape it before.
And after someone is near you are touched you susanoo don't push them away, rikage Grabbed Sasuke in hips and tried to do some attack but Sasuke activated susanoo it doesn't do anything to Rikage....
the ribcage doesnt create any separation, higher stages do since theyre physically larger. also the susanoo starts from your upper body which for sasuke was on the ground, in this case obito would be near their upper bodies
amaterasu doesn't need to out size anything to be able to burn it down, and Sasuke literally make Amaterasu bigger than 8 tail and even spread it out a large area the first time he use it, and Itachi edo have unlimited chakra so definitely yes they can
Obito loses to a lot of the biggest powerhouses in the series without the Phasing Kakashi Guy Sasuke Itachi Minato Hashirama they are all better fighters than him it’s just the Truth Kamui is the main thing that allows him to cause havoc.
@@Edjuyl Obito was holding back lol he purposely lost that fight so he could get rid of madaras seal on his heart so he could become the ten tails Jinchuriki. If he really wanted to body Kakashi he would have used his rinnegan he implied he knew Human path soul rip when he wanted to use it on yamato. Kakashi is lucky
@@alabamamanofficial4817 he literally uses the Rinnegan and he even attempts a killing blow he didn’t stop trying until after the flashback shot of Minato Declaring Kakashi the Winner and that was just after Kakashi knocked him to the ground. In a Sparing Session that is considered a loss. Obito uses the Black Recievers multiple times which is literally the trademark of the Rinnegan it’s like y’all don’t even pay attention to the actual fight. Obito wanted to beat Kakashi and Get the Seal he realized he couldn’t do both and gave up.
@@alabamamanofficial4817 regarding the Human Path Nonsense he never gets a chance to do it he never gets Kakashi in position to pull it off. Kakashi is one of the best users in Taijutsu in the show definitely a step ahead of Obito this is the same guy that was Dropping off Obito since they were kids lol Hashirama Cells Rinnegan Sharingan are great but it takes more than that to win a spar lol.
Bro 🤣 .. That reverse summoning thing is funny... It remind me Jiraiya can seal Amaterasu with scrolls in a mid fight 😂. And to summon someone you need to spend chakra so Doing it with different dimension is not possible for normal shinobis.. And reverse summon was do with Manda not on Sasuke, Sasuke is inside manda so That argument is stupid....
You’re not required to be *inside* the Summoning Animal, as Naruto was standing on top of Gamabunta and Gamakichi when he was reverse summoned to Konoha during the Pain Arc. Not sure what you meant with the chakra stuff
@@2_loko either way you need a Summoning animal .... To summon Naruto and Sasuke, so6o need all previous hokage's help to reverse summon so can Itachi or Sasuke individually do that....
@@Pain-106 You’re leaving out details, all Nine Bijuu were also brought back alongside the rest of Team 7. That could be the reason why Hagaromo needed so much chakra.
Great vid but obito stomps you guys didn’t even bring up the gedo statue because with that he would stomp itachi and sasuke. Also the part where you said obtio would be getting attacked from both sides is wrong because you act like the kamui dimension is small which it isn’t and whenever danzo men got sucked into kamui they never saw sasuke or Karin. They never saw each other
@@TheLightningBlade yeah well guess what they are both exceptions because they had obitos own eye, kakashi is the only other person in the series who has kamui. Naruto was literally sucked into kamui by kakashi and kakashi was sucked in by obtio but he also has kamui. That still wouldn’t change the fact that danzo men and sasuke and Karin never saw each other
@@OneAboveAll_0 nahhh see now that just sounds like a cop out answer lol I mean I get it like Kamui is a big demension but considering how Kakashi and Naruto were near Obito in the same fight (and that we never actually saw Fuu and Torinei in the demension from their perspective) then that leads me to believe that if it’s in the same fight, that at the very least it’s more likely they’re gonna see Obito phasing from inside.
@@TheLightningBlade I highly doubt that and how is that a cop up answer?? It sounds like the truth but you’re just denying it. I mean you can clearly see that when kakashi and Naruto get sucked in they are both already connected to kamui I mean they are literally using his own eye😂😂😂meaning its most likely different for other characters who aren’t connected to kamui at all. It still doesn’t change the fact that fuu and torune never saw sasuke or Karin. I mean sure he will see obito but he’s not gonna reach him in time across the dimension to kill him😂😂😂he’s just gonna keep running
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Edo Itachi vs EMS Sasuke.. Who Wins??
I’d go with itachi because sasuke has no way to seal itachi since he’s a edo.
Itachi can do everything Sasuke can do & more atp with more experience, so I'd vote Itachi. Sasuke has no sealing Jutsus tmk, so I don't see how he can permanently get rid of Edo Itachi. If 2 ppl are equals, yet 1 is immortal, I'm going with the immortal lol
Ems sasuke.... Stomps
@@Pain-106 how?
@@Tempest3307 Amaterasu and Gg.... Itachi can't walk through Amaterasu but Sasuke can..... Simple
Come on now y'all were biased towards the Uchiha brothers here. Obito was fighting Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Guy and the only reason they could ever land a hit on him was because Kakashi had access to the other version of kamui. 1v4 and they barely did anything even with Kakashi's kamui.
Also you gotta take into account that Kabuto didn't have killer intent either, as he stated that he wanted to rewrite Itachi's edo tensei and keep Sasuke alive.
They struggled pretty hard against Kabuto and they won via the ass pull izanami. If Itachi wasn't edo, Kabuto would most likely win.
Taking these 2 fights into consideration, I really can't see Itachi and Sasuke beating WM Obito, ESPECIALLY with the biijus and ghedo statue. Absolutely no chance.
@@iBeastless up to opinion bud 🤷🏻♂️ in any case thanks for watching 😎💪🏻
If kamui wasn't sealed he wouldn't have tried to capture minato
Also he didn't use the rinni abilities because they had all seen them before and knew how to cancel them
You're really trying to downplay obito in this fight
@@blackblitz2011 if you say so. In any case, Kakashi also says that he might also be because he’s controlling the Bijuu and that it takes a lot of chakra to do so.. which Obito doesn’t even deny. So them knowing the Rinnegans abilities is not the ONLY reason
@@blackblitz2011 also, if they knowing the Rinnegans abilities is your argument, then it’s very likely Itachi knows the Rinnegans abilities after spending so much time in the Akatsuki. After all, it didn’t seem like it took Itachi long at all to figure out how to stop Planetary Devastation so you could infer he’s knowinglable on the Rinnegans abilities at least to a decent extent
@@TheLightningBlade @LightningSnow_ I probably should clarify that in no way do I think obito wins this majority of the time, there's plenty of reason as to why he can't.
First being he needs the tailed beast and if itachi seals any he can't use the 10 tails which is a loss. So he wouldn't use them vs itachi forcing him to do a 1v2 which he wouldn't lose, but never win forcing a stalemate, unless he captures sasuke which itachi would always prevent.
If he catches itachi then calls the other 6 jinchuriki to kill sasuke he could win, but that's still a issue because sasuke will more then likely force a kamui fade once which will lead to obito getting killed or sealed by itachi who's in the kamui dimension.
My issue is obito is broken enough to the point that if sasuke gets caught on kamui and obito fights him 1 on 1 he will likely win, in fact he could even bring the jinchuriki in the kamui dimension just so he doesn't lose control of them and make it a 7 v 1
But again when he comes back he still loses to itachi since he can't use the jinchuriki incase 1 gets sealed and in a 1 v 1 I do see itachi taking the just because of his fighting IQ
Nope. Itachi doesn't know how the rinnegan works @@TheLightningBlade
This. Minato also wouldn’t acknowledge the fight would be over if obitos attack landed when he knew obito was using both a transportation jutsu that he claimed surpassed his own, but also that the thing obito was using to slip through things and the thing to warp was the same jutsu, meaning wherever obito is sending his body to In order to phase clearly isn’t a place that would cause physical harm otherwise he wouldn’t be able to remain unharmed when phasing through things. Yet despite all of this minato knew it would be game over if sent to kamui, meaning he knew he couldn’t escape. Also just a common sense type of thing, this mf been trying to send people to kamui the entire anime, and kamui in general has been a troublesome jutsu the entire anime just to say something as simple as reverse summoning would work on it feels silly
Lol, I knew the winner the moment I heard Loko's voice.
Naruto, Kakashi, Gai, Bee >>> Sasuke and Itachi, and they struggled to land a hit on Obito even with greater knowledge *and* Kakashi' own Kamui.
And no, we're not entertaining Loko's "trust me, bruh".
The bros are cucked.
You might want to reconsider. Loko might be a prophet fr.
@@whispr_2MEdickeatin tf outta that man😂😂😂 omg
@@NarutosRasengan5 He is the light. Accept him into your heart and you will be made whole.
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I'm genuinely curious. Why is it everytime theres an Obito video, his other abilities are never mentioned or are just outright dismissed? Obito doesn't just have Kamui, he has other abilities like The Uchiha Forbidden Jutsu, Six Paths Jutsu, Inton and Yoton Shadow and Light Style Jutsu, Earth Style, Black Rods, Giant Shuriken, Giant Kunai, Giant Rods that restrain Biju Power, Chakra adsorption, Gunbai Fan, Ten Tails, Jinchuriki Kekkei Genkai etc...
I mean, canonically, the reason he never used the six paths abilities was be ause the leaf saw them and knew how to counter them. Sasuke should have 0 idea of how the rinnegan works. Itachi should have good knowledge of it however. I still think a bansho tenin to bring sasuke towards him and sucking him the the kamui dimension seems like a good strat.
Also woodstyle. They always nerf him by making him seem like a 1 trick pony
A few things, ten tails absolutely not. That's like saying naruto vs sasuke and then giving naruto the shinobi alliance as an ability or support. That's a narrative teammate that wouldn't be reasonable to add to a vs battle. His other abilities absolutely could have been included but then you could say they could have shown the rest of the itachi and sasuke abilities too. I am assuming, because the abilities are not big battle changers would be a good reason to not go in depth about them. I do agree that they would be mentioned more for argument sake. I do believe that in this fight the video was already long and they talked about the important stuff. Either way Itachi and Sasuke would beat Obito. It's a huge stretch assuming Obito would win.
@midsectionmark8956 Naruto and Sasuke can't summon the Ninja alliance while Ten Tails is part of Rinnegan Obito's actual arsenal, and not to mention he has the Sages Sealing Tools, this version Obito is beyond haxed. Absolutely no way the Uchiha bro's stand a chance.
Bc he never uses other jutsu.. it would probably be worse for him bc he cant use kamui and jutsu at the same time
The nerf for Obito is insane yall made it seem like obito only has kamui amd the only reason he didn't use the rinneagan abilities were because Naruto kakashi and Guy were informed of it already obito has the gedo manzo Black receiver rods that can paralysis Chaka couted shuriken strong enough to cut 8 tails tenticals bomb blast dance has kamui as a warp and he also has the outer chains that are strong enough to subdue tailed beasts plus he has feats on kcm2 better feats than sauake
And the Uchiha flame barrier his taijutsu is equal to guy kakashi and Naruto plus Itachi can not reverse summon he has no blood💀 plus his wood style is no joke it could just absorb the chakra from amaterasu and bind
The kamui sealed dimension thing, if you could just reverse summon out, would Obito really try to suck Minato into there if he could just FTG out? I also don’t remember if Obito knew he was teleporting or just moving very quickly at the time
The moment I heard Loko, I knew it'll be a Sasuke glaze. 🙄
Yeaaah his scaling is wack in general. Go through every hoop to wank Sasuke then turn around and take a character like Minato then low ball him based on a surprise feat like Bee's tentacle.
:/
Is this the same loko that has beef with Jthegreat and batman?
@@dimitrilitovsk2372yes.
Bro thinks sasuke without rinnegan and one arms can beat Jubidara.
The one with the Sharingan wins 💪🏻💪🏻
@@johnmilo7629 definitely 😂😂
This joke is so old...
@@TheLightningBladeyou can't use reverse summon without blood so itachi can't escape plus yall just ignored Obito other abilities look for them at the top of the comments
@@Soujaboy-l6o Itachi did bleed from his eyes during his Edo fights.
No the one with the ms wins
White mask? Idk that's pretty rough he wasn't even worried about Kabuto with Nagato and Itachi edos and only worked with him cause of Madara. High diff maybe but Obito could definitely win this.
Maybe. But it’s open to interpretation. For example, Itachi was the only one in the Edo group Kabuto summon who wasn’t nerfed in some way. Which maybe why Obito wasn’t too worried. Also, Obito didn’t know anything about Kabuto abilities as of then. So it’s 50/50 with the other argument being he just planned to retreat with Kamui. But EMS Sasuke is definitely stronger than all of those nerfed Edo Tensei
@@TheLightningBlade I can agree Itachi is always tricky cause it always feels like he has win conditions.
And that was before the rinnegan plus the jinchuriki lol I really don’t understand this fandom bro it’s like they pick and choose what parts of the anime to pay attention too.
The reverse summon is a dumb argument, if that were possible Obito would not think of sucking minato into his kamui dimension since he knows minato can also teleport
Looks like someone got brainwashed by loko🥴
@@fabianhrastinger2263 haha if you say so 😂🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Obito(with the bijuu)wins not even a discussion
I strongly disagree I think obito would win this high diff since he was fight kcm2 Naruto and three other opponents all at the same time until they literally had to use his own eye just to touch him😂😂😂
@@IamFromBeyond_ thanks for watching bro 😎 💪🏻
@@TheLightningBladeI can't tell if this was an acceptance of opinion or not, either way wonderful reply.
@@onemicyeehaw1583 thank ya thank ya 😎
@@TheLightningBlade np bro great vid
Before I even watch the video, Im voting Obito, because the Itachi glaze needs to stop lol He scales above them both anyway 🤷🏾♂️
Felt like Obitos speed was downplayed just a little wm Obito was reacting to kcm2 but overall great video
Well to be fair we did say everyone was relative in terms of speed not so much anyone had better speed or reaction time. But thank you bro I appreciate the support 💪🏻
You guys downplayed Obito in this video.
Appreciate it boss man 💪🏻
Yeah I agree. They weren’t able to damage Kabuto at all and their only win con was Izanami. IMO Obito is a much worse threat than sage Kabuto lol
Sage kabuto in that cave is a way bigger threat than obito😂
And they hit him like 3 different times even a few times with amateradu and held back to not kill him@@slimxjimki
@@coin4898 Amaterasu wouldn't phase Obito one bit.
@i.q.1979 It definitely would hurt obito if they got a shot off, o ly literal god gods were able to take that shit, even naruto got plot srmoured to be immune to it just because they wanted sasuke to have no win cons
How small do you assume the kamui dimension is to casually see Obitos body phasing in and out of it? Sasuke was healing in the kamui dimension and didn't see Obitos phasing in and out. Nor did he see Danzos henchmen after Obito sucked them in. Sounds like a bias handicap to force a narrative
And yet, whenever Obito sucked in Kakashi Obitos body was right there every time he phased… so if it’s in the same fight I don’t see why Obitos body parts ARENT gonna appear to whichever Uchiha brother is in Kamui
@LightningSnow_ Kakashi is the only other person in the series that possesses kamui. It's more likely that he's the exception to the rule. Danzos henchmen were fully conscious when they got sucked in. Why wouldn't they end the series early if kamui was that flawed?
Can you prove Sasuke didn’t see Obito phasing while he was in there? Danzo’s henchman also got incapacitated by Obito after they are pulled in, so that’s not even relevant.
@2_loko incapacitated? Obito kicked his own arm to distract one and then sucked him in the split second he took his eyes off him. He sucked in the other by sneaking behind him. They were both conscious and they were both never seen again in any kamui dimension scene. Did they land on an injured Sasuke and Karin when they entered and just ran away? Sasuke nor Karin mentioned seeing them. Can you prove that Sasuke and Karin saw Obito phasing in and out?
@@jasonrust8568 Obito later states that he put them under Sharingan-based Genjutsu the entire time and offers them to Kabuto as sacrifices for the Edo Tensei.
Sasuke and Karin aren’t required to always speak their observations out loud and characters thoughts aren’t always shown, you’re making an appeal to silence which is inherently fallacious.
Also, L burden shift. I’m not required to prove YOUR claim, you made the assertion that Sasuke and Karin never saw Fuu and Torune, therefore it’s YOUR responsibility to prove it. Do better bud
Idk man they only won against Kabuto because of Itachi taking advantage of Edo tensei to survive fatal attacks and their only win con was Izanami. Obito scales pretty handedly over Kabuto imo. Like Obito stared at Sage Kabuto+the rest of the Akatsuki including Itachi and didn’t show a reaction until Madara was summoned lmao
they were badly holding back against kabuto, he got hit with the totsuka blade and they didnt seal him, he got hit with arrows without amaterasu, got tagged by amaterasu but they didnt make it burn him, they didnt try at all because all of their jutsu are one shot kills. if they could kill kabuto either one wouldve low diffed him
That's a good point, but then again itachi being careless as and edo tensai is very in line with how most of people fought as an edo tensai. Even Madara wasn't ripping about getting hit by attacks he could have dodged as an edo tensai. I look at it this way. If we as a fandom is debating itachi vs obito and sasuke vs obito 1 v 1's , there's no logical sense to believe whit mask obito is beating itachi and sasuke. The brothers are abosulety winning. Juubito is the only time obito is winning.
With Beju Obito stomps....
Reeeeeeee tard
Obito mops
Even if kamui is a sealed Dimension He can only suck one Person at the time and they would find out his trick. They would attack from both sides, in this fight He can only use it to Phase. But if you give him bijuu or all rinnegan abilities He wins mid diff
Obito still has better knowledge about Uchiha clan than Itachi and Sasuke does. Obito wins He basically knows Itachi's every move and he don't underestimate him. He will try to seal itachi.
Knowing and being able to do anything about it is two different things. Itachi can react to any kamui sucks and he's not sealing Itachi before Sasuke and Itachi beats him.
@@JudeBernard-br3mu Saying your hypothesis as a real feat is invalid either. First learn to say about real feats and there's no feat of him reacting to Kamui and he can win. Also he can use Uchiha formation and Edo jinchuriki, so it's mid diff if he goes full potent. He can predict their Itachi kinjutsu Izanagi and Izanami and he has rinnegan + sealing chains.
Obito also has wood style and the getto statue and the uchiha fan reflection bros obito takes this fight high difficulty
Obito fans are crying so hard after this 😅
How does Sasuke scale above that version of mastered KCM 1 Naruto when he’s been fighting in the war wayyyy longer than him? That’s not even him at full strength but ok….
Naruto actually gets healed by Sakura right before Sasuke arrived and Kurama should be consistently making more chakra to replenish Naruto’s stamina. There’s no reason why Naruto wouldn’t be at his full strength, if not stronger than he was before due to having much better control over Kurama’s chakra
@@2_loko Sounds good on paper when you’re pushing Sasuke agenda
Loko tg and virthue have been trying to make ems sasuke equal to kcm2 naruto🤣with disingenuous scaling(not even gonna mention dygo🤣)
@@2_loko wear and tear.body cant be recovered to 100% and then there's the mental aspect.Its shown in the series many times that there's a limit to what healing can do to a worn out body.example naruto vs Sasuke at valley of the end narutos arm was completely numb from using kc and tjats what was healing and protecting him
@@vaughnjackson6297 Like talking to a brick wall. I’m pretty sure he thinks Ems Sasuke is stronger than KCM2 Naruto 💀
For everyone saying that Lightning and Loki DIDNT bring up the Rinnegan abilities.. 16:14 they literally start talking about it.. ppl just aren’t paying attention and wanna just run their mouth
If we’re granting that they can just reverse summon out, you kinda have to grant that Obito with even just 1 rinnegan, can be proficient enough to use its abilities usefully. He’s competent for one, and two, he knows how it works from all those years watching nagato.
9:48 they don't even have each other's blood
Sasuke had Itachi's eye, like that wasn't enough
@@go_touch_grass_bro sacrifice an eye to summon him ? If he does that he just loses
@@username2168 he already had Itachi eyes bro, this is EMS Sasuke and he got it by taking Itachi's eyes
Kcm2 naruto and ems sasuke are just not on the same lvl.I dont see ems sasuke blocking a bijuu blast from the 10 tails with his susanoo.
Ems sasuke is kcm lvl
bar·ri·er
noun
a fence or other obstacle that prevents movement or access.
That’s the same as sealed right ?
Well, Sealed implies a different connotation than Barrier. Also, the statement is also referring to Kakashi’s long-range warping ability when it talks about him capturing his opponent in the “distortion at the center of the barrier,” so it sounds to me like the warping ability IS the barrier, as it’s almost impossible to escape or run once you’re already being drawn in.
I know, man. Reaching at its finest.
soo itachi jumping inside alil crow to reverse summon 😂😂😂 hell nah
The whole reverse summoning argument is bs. At best it works once or twice. The amount of chakras obito needed to open dimensions that weren’t his (kaguya) means reverse summoning if at all possible would probably cost too much chakra to be considered a counter to the kamui win con
Sasuke summons a hawk to Kaguya's lava dimension and doesn't make any kind of note about it costing an abnormal amount of chakra. There is zero evidence that it wouldn't work; at best you can argue they wouldn't think to do it immediately.
Also, the fact that the dimensions weren't his had nothing to do with the chakra cost. What Obito says is the the time-space is incredibly vast. Linking those vast time-spaces is what costs so much chakra, and Kaguya being able to do it instantly amazes Obito. Nobody can prove that there is anything special about any of these dimensions; including Obito's.
Summoning a hawk that already always in a different place is not the same as a whole person from a different dimension you have no access to…
@@NarutosRasengan5 Pure headcanon that's contradicted by the story itself.
The hawk is much bigger than "a whole person", and the reverse summoning is described as being the same transportation jutsu as the normal summoning.
Team 7 and the bijuu also get summoned by the former Kage from a _dimension they have no access to_ after Kaguya is sealed.
Obito thinks Kaguya's dimensions are "incredibly vast", so summoning someone from Obito's dimension shouldn't take nearly as much effort; if that's even a factor to begin with.
@@whispr_2MEI think you need sage of six paths powers to do that as we see nobody else summoning beings to other dimensions apart from sasuke and hogoromo
@@JL-zv6ki Obito connects Kaguya's dimensions together with portals fueled by Sakura's non-sixpaths byakugo chakra.
The only note he ever makes about it is about how Kaguya can connect the vast space-times instantly.
The way Kaguya does it is exclusive to her just because of the massive chakra cost; nothing to do with having six paths power or not.
You should do Naruto and Sasuke Vs The Akatsuki.
You should do Naruto and Sasuke Vs The 5 Kage.
First one would be decent… the second one though… why do you hate the 5 Kage ? 😂😂
Maybe they mean like throughout The series kinda deal like naruto and sasuke from every arc vs 5 kage.@LightningSnow_
@@wolfhead-hx2mn That is what I Meant.
Nice idea
@@jakebailey5834 You hate thev5 Kage that much? 😅😅
Itachi and ems sasuke are not blocking 7 bijuu bombs😂
If they even have time to get them off before they get Amaterasued
@@TheLightningBladewhen have sasuke and itachi ever showed the capability of being able amatarasu 7 whole ass whole tailed beasts before any of them can launch tailed beast bombs. I don’t think either at this point have any amatasrsu feat that would suggest they could pull this off
@@drhashtagyolo well being that Kakashi had even a split second to activate his MS in order prepare to use Kamui while the Bijuu were charging up the Bijuu bombs… it should be equally likely that Amaterasu that can just spawn should do the same… especially if they’re just standing there while they’re charging up the Bijuu bomb
@@TheLightningBlade edo bodies,amaterasu getting shrugged off like nothing
@@vaughnjackson6297Itachi has Yata mirror a safe of six paths shield that he would have use to fight Juubi Kaguya lol. 7 tailed beast balls are nothing
I’ve always been a fan of the channel but the reverse summoning argument seemed a bit forced. Wouldn’t someone have tried at some point to leave the kamui dimension since it’s been his main kill tactic until now? Maybe he goes back inside the dimension and finishes off his kill. It just seems a bit far fetched, that was my only gripe. I say this to have a respectful discussion not argument. I appreciate any and all feedback
Reverse Summoning is a legitimate escape from Kamui. There's just 2 "conditions" that have to be met.
1. You have to actually know Reverse Summoning is a thing in the first place. And this has only been done TWICE in the _history_ of the Shinobi World. By Jiraiya and Sasuke. But Jiraiya did it by mistake, only Sasuke did it on purpose.
2. You have to be *smart* enough to do it in the midst of a battle.... Jiraiya wasn't smart enough to think of doing it when he died against Pain even though he definitely knows it's a thing.
Therefore, Sasuke having performed it before and both Sasuke & Itachi having 2 of the absolute HIGHEST IQ & Battle IQ in the series makes it almost certain that they'll both use Reverse Summoning as a constant counter to Kamui
Sasuke + Itachi mid diff WM Obito
@thmistrapillay1811 You actually thought you cooked here? 🤦♂️
1. Reverse summoning has been done by Fukasaku,
Gamakichi, Jiraiya,
Kabuto, Sasuke, Shima etc
2. Jiraiya literally had the option to do it against Pain and chose to stay. It's said by Pa that Jiraiya could've escaped whenever he wanted.
@@EternalWanderer657 never seen someone so confident after replying with the most brain-dead take👏
1. I literally mentioned Jiraiya and Sasuke specifically and you decided to repeat them as if making a point, how about learning to read before replying 🙃
2. I literally said "Shinobi World", are ma & pa toad shinobi?..... I'll give you some time.
3. Kabuto has never used RS on himself as an escape, he's performed it on separate entities. Not the same as what Sasuke or Jiraiya did
4. Pa Toad Sage just said escape, Jiraiya was just too stupid to think of Reverse Summoning himself, pa was just gonna do the work for him at best
You know you embarrassing yourself like this could've been avoided if you just read before trying to sound smart
@@thmistrapillay1811 Coming from the guy who just typed a brain-dead take 🥱
1. "And this has only been done TWICE In the history of the shinobi world."
That's incorrect, it's been done more than twice.
2. Ma and Pa are integral parts of the shinobi world, existing within its framework.
3. Whether Kabuto performed the jutsu on himself or not, it remains a fact that Kabuto executed the jutsu.
4. "Pa Toad Sage just said escape,"
And "Reverse Summoning" is escaping via summoning back to one's original location. 💀
You've embarrassed yourself, I merely corrected you. Feel free to continue defending your mistake and digging your own grave.
@@EternalWanderer657 Kid careful, you're losing more and more IQ points the more you talk😂
- "mA & pA aRe An inTegRaL pARt tO tHe sHinOBi wOrLd"
Cool story kid, so how about actually answering the question.... are they shinobi? Was this question a bit too difficult for you😭
- "KaBUto sTill pERformEd iT"
Lol no. I'm starting to think you actually can't read, Kabuto did a completely different type of summoning. Sasuke & Jiraiya very specifically Reverse Summoned themselves which was the entire point of this topic both in my comment and in the video.
*kid fr having trouble reading💀*
-lol no one in that situation said _ANYTHING_ about RS, not Pa, not Ma, and not Jiraiya. You're just butt hurt Jiraiya was too dumb to think of it at that time. "Escape" absolutely does NOT imply Jiraiya or the toads were thinking specifically of RS. That's just you coping😂
I know you won't, and will probably reply with another comment with about 2 braincells behind it, .... but _please_ save yourself, just leave cause I'm getting 2nd hand embarrassment from you
@thmistrapillay1811 - Read your own words carefully, you said "And this has only been done TWICE in the history of the shinobi world." The term "shinobi world" refers to the entire world where various beings, including shinobi and non-shinobi alike, reside. I love how you're changing it specifically to shinobi now because you got caught slipping.
- Kabuto is listed as a reverse summoning user so it doesn't matter what you say.
- Toads primarily use reverse summoning as a method for rapid long-distance travel and escape💀 Jiraiya, Pa, Gamakichi and Shima all do it so what else would he be referring to, walking away or better yet hopping away? 😂 keep digging son.
itachi chilling in the kamui dimension when he sees obito's buttchecks faze in & with a smile we see the totsuka blade flare up, outside sasuke looks confused as obito on the ground tweaking.
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@@TheLightningBlade can of corn, can of corn & I'll be fine can of corn
@@GreyplayComics haha … movie references 😏👌🏻
No way man lol. If me and you can think of that that would be a bad idea for obito, you think him with all his experience in battle and with his abilities wouldn’t? 😭😭
@@drhashtagyoloItachi glazers need serious studying
W video lightning the goat dropped again 🗿🗿
@@RedDaimyo0appreciate it bro
We see that Obito can calibrate his Kamui to access Kaguya's dimensions, which I think implies that Kamui is just an ability that creates portals. I'm convinced that Obito's dimension is just a random time-space somewhere that happens to be what the Kamui is calibrated to by default. Sasuke was able to summon a hawk to Kaguya's lava dimension, so I just can't think of any reason why the Kamui dimension would be different. Obito comments on how vast Kaguya's dimensions are, and is amazed that she can connect them in an instant. If anything Kamui is just a lower tier knock off version of what Kaguya does with Yomotsu Hirasaka and her dimensions.
It's likely that Obito was just planning to separate Naruto from the others to deal with him later; thinking that Naruto wouldn't even come up with reverse summoning as a solution. I honestly think Kishimoto probably shouldn't have introduced reverse summoning as an evasive strategy in the first place. It potentially trivializes some techniques that are otherwise kind of broken; like Kamui or Chibaku Tensei. At best you can argue that it's just not in character for them to use reverse summoning in this way, but logically it should be a valid strategy.
Nice vid
@@lukesmith8967 thanks bro!
Why does everyone assume that Obito cant choose where sucked in objects/people are located in kamui dimension...? We cant see all the gear he stores there but he is able to acces it on the spot at all times. He also let whole Sasuke's team chill there, including Karin that is a sensor type and she clearly was not able to locate Obito's chakra when he was phasing. Kakashi was a special case tho
Edo itachi doesn’t have blood so how would sasuke reverse summon itachi?
The same way Nagato summoned his animals without blood.
@@JudeBernard-br3mu wrong tho. Those animals are an ability of the rennigan. He doesn’t need to use blood like a normal summon. Sasukes ability is not to summon itachi. It doesn’t work like that
i’m sure an uchiha will win !
😂😂💯
All these people are just saying how to beat Kamui, and ignore everything else. I was going to leave a comment, about the constant lowballs, and pretty much assuming Obito could only use Kamui, but this video just kept getting worse and I couldn’t keep up. I don’t even know where to begin. Don’t scale without DygoKnight he’s your daddy and you’re his sidekick. Robin can’t Robin without Batman. I actually thought this would be a good video. But the last few videos you made just seem like lazy head cannon pod cast conversations. And using AI translate to debunk how Kamui works. 🤦🏾♂️
Appreciate it bro 😎 💪🏻
@@TheLightningBlade Lazy passive comment just like this analysis .
@@FinneyGames_BBG if you say so 🤷🏻♂️😂 Thanks anyway bro 😎 💪🏻
@@TheLightningBlade I obviously take Naruto too seriously, but lazy videos like this just do a disservice to the already confused community. The quality of your work is always good, but this was just a lazy half assed analysis compared to your previous work. Maybe it’s the dog 🐶 dude but I just expected a better more exciting analysis .
@@TheLightningBlade Don't listen to the haters although like I said Obito was downplayed that doesn't take away from the effort you put into these videos man. Keep your head up and keep up the good work
Loko’s right , obito has no chance
u r delusional buddy
FINALLY someone else who gets how overrated Obito is!
I wouldn’t necessarily say this Obito in particular is overrated. He’s pretty busted. But I don’t think people give both Itachi and EMS Sasuke enough credit especially as a team. 1v1 I think he beats both of them but together possibly countering his Kamui is a bit tough
@@TheLightningBlade yeah he is pretty busted but a lot of ppl think that kamui has no counterplay or weaknesses (e.g. it’s cast time) and makes Obito untouchable which is nonsense
Obito is actually underrated and very hated and misunderstood so idk where tf you got Obito being overrated at…
@@NarutosRasengan5 I agree he’s underrated as a character but he’s overrated power-wise
@@NarutosRasengan5Maybe they are average itardchi riders 🤡
I feel like Obito's been getting brought down to earth in vs battles recently, and I really appreciate that.
if Obito trys to pull sasuke or itachi in with the kamui they can simply manifest their susanoo to throw Obito out of range we saw sasuke did it to danzo
Danzo cant phase then rematerialize. I dont know why people keep using these stupid examples
@@ramikpark8387 bro the susanoo would throw obito out of range if he trys to suck up one of them and that is. that
@@UNKNOWN-eo1esthat’s head cannon because obitos abilities work differently than danzos and you’re equating them to each other
obito without the bijuu loses badly its just how long he will last.
Obito wins but a hard fight....
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Not a hard fight mid diff(obito with the bijuu)
@@vaughnjackson6297 Yes.. I only mentioned Obito without beast .
The side with black hair wins
and mangekyo sharingan
Definitely 💯
I don't know how the video ends. Itachi's yasaka beads would've to he above Madara's ,and I know Madara is stronger than Itachi so his definitely stronger. Naruto defended against both Madara's assault and Obito's shurikens and black poles that he sent via kamui. Obito while being ambushed was still a tier above EMS Sasuke: got raikiri'd by Kakashi (intentionally),got the rinne rebirth used on him by Madara,Obito still deflected Sasuke's enton arrow by the black rods that pierced him as a result of Madara's rinne rebirth, he after that got ftg'd by Kcm Minato who sliced him and Obito still became the jubijin!!!!!!
Sasuke and Itachi would have to be above Killer bee,Kakashi, Guy and Naruto to put him down. Plus we have other showings that both brothers need to be above to win.
Sasuke cannot reverse summon Itachi since Edo Itachi has no blood (tmk). If Obito warps Itachi, its GG's. Sasuke isn't enough to stop Obito
Itachi’s eyes still bleed whenever he performs Amaterasu despite being an Edo Tensei. And yes, Sasuke is more than enough to defeat Obito by himself, especially if he can’t phase through attacks.
They did bring up Itachi will be able to seal obito when he phases back into the kamui realm as well. Either way Itachi and Sasuke would win.
Itachi's Totsuka blade is stated as it can't cut Kabuto's webs and Orochimaru's Kusanagi blade can't cut Naruto's V2 state and You know what Totsuka blade is varient of kusanagi 😂
Reeeee tard
Very cool
I just need to remind u izanami isnt a viable option agains everybody the person in question need to meet specific requirements
Actually against someone suck as Obitio Iznami wouldn't be a bad option. He was as detached from this world as anyone else tbh.
You should do 5 kage Summit Sasuke and 5 Kage Summit Sage Mode Naruto Vs The 5 Kage Summit.
Not a bad idea 💯
FKS Sasuke & SM Naruto kinda clap. Mainly to Sasuke carrying but SM Naruto helps
Obito slapping them
Why didn't sasuke just reverse someone everyone out of Kaguya's dimension?
The desert dimension was too hot and dry for him to think straight . Obito's dimension has a neutral climate. 🙂
Plot induced stupidity is also possible.
The mechanics of it simply cannot be questioned as we literally see them get summoned from Kaguya's dimension after sealing her. Obito's dimension is not comparable to any of Kaguya's, so your argument doesn't hold water anyway.
Im not sure if snow and loko are persons that subsribed to the statement of orange msk obito being stronger than pain but if you are then you should be saying rinnegan obito beats these two😂
This makes no sense obito would win he literally fought stronger opponents while he was still outnumbered in a 1v4 and I already knew who was gonna win as soon as I saw loko in this vid😆😆😆the downplay in this video for obito is crazy
the glazing is crazy
Thank you guys for the support 😎 yall are the best!!
Honestly amatarasu is a win for them as well . If one of them gets kamuid just imagine obito getting hit with amatarasu simultaneously in kamui and in reality . He’s BBQd
Obito isn’t dumb he probably wouldn’t do that lol
Is it a coincidence that the people arguing for Obito have no good arguments? Nope, 100% of the community are literally the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
It's no different than little kids arguing with each other 😂😂.
@@marwyn8152 You must not be reading throughout the comments even snow acknowledges there are good win cons for Obito it was Loko downplaying him
A fight I've always wanted to see was madara and Obito vs shisui as an adult sadly we don't know how strong he'd be😢 fugaku Sasuke and a non sick itachi
Obito gets clapped basically
If Itachi gets battlefield remove how will Sasuke summon him back Edo Itachi have no blood
Itachi bleed from his eyes during his fight with Nagato. Might have been a plot hole but yeah 😅
Plus they would have to know ahead of time how Obito ability work to even prep for a reverse summoning
@@gaara_death88 well I’d honestly give it to Itachi to know at least a good extent how Kamui works since Itachi was the ONLY one to pick up the fact Obito was sneaking around the Leaf Village and due to him being in the Akatsuki for so long and him knowing the “true identity” of Tobi I feel like with how resourceful Itachi is he’d know at least a decent bit of Kamui and how it works. Could be reading and head cannon but that’s just me
@@TheLightningBlade didn't Obito say along the lines that Itachi really know nothing about him and if he did he will most certainly be dead
@@gaara_death88 he said didn’t know “everything” meaning he knew some stuff about him
Obito losing to the dou lbvs. Either one can easily deal with the bijuu given yata mirror, genjustu, and Ama lol which is literally a one shot against them. It's been hinted multiple times that Itachi had ways around Kamui. Obito had to use izanagi to escape it before.
And after someone is near you are touched you susanoo don't push them away, rikage Grabbed Sasuke in hips and tried to do some attack but Sasuke activated susanoo it doesn't do anything to Rikage....
the ribcage doesnt create any separation, higher stages do since theyre physically larger. also the susanoo starts from your upper body which for sasuke was on the ground, in this case obito would be near their upper bodies
True
@@AidenB1010Not true
Give me susanoo!
Give me Amaterasu!
Give me izanami or Obito Solos!!🗣️🗣️😭🙏🙏
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7:03 why not ? And i don't think they can make amaterasu the size lf jubi
amaterasu doesn't need to out size anything to be able to burn it down, and Sasuke literally make Amaterasu bigger than 8 tail and even spread it out a large area the first time he use it, and Itachi edo have unlimited chakra so definitely yes they can
@@go_touch_grass_bro edos don't have unlimited chakra i beleive but ill wait till tomorrow to find the answer
@@username2168 it is stated by Madara, not me
Obito loses to a lot of the biggest powerhouses in the series without the Phasing Kakashi Guy Sasuke Itachi Minato Hashirama they are all better fighters than him it’s just the Truth Kamui is the main thing that allows him to cause havoc.
Obito held back against kakashi and still won
@@CWTempest he didn’t win at all Kakashi clearly won he had more hits. Obito stopped trying when the fight was already over to take the Raikiri.
@@Edjuyl Obito was holding back lol he purposely lost that fight so he could get rid of madaras seal on his heart so he could become the ten tails Jinchuriki. If he really wanted to body Kakashi he would have used his rinnegan he implied he knew Human path soul rip when he wanted to use it on yamato. Kakashi is lucky
@@alabamamanofficial4817 he literally uses the Rinnegan and he even attempts a killing blow he didn’t stop trying until after the flashback shot of Minato Declaring Kakashi the Winner and that was just after Kakashi knocked him to the ground. In a Sparing Session that is considered a loss. Obito uses the Black Recievers multiple times which is literally the trademark of the Rinnegan it’s like y’all don’t even pay attention to the actual fight. Obito wanted to beat Kakashi and Get the Seal he realized he couldn’t do both and gave up.
@@alabamamanofficial4817 regarding the Human Path Nonsense he never gets a chance to do it he never gets Kakashi in position to pull it off. Kakashi is one of the best users in Taijutsu in the show definitely a step ahead of Obito this is the same guy that was Dropping off Obito since they were kids lol Hashirama Cells Rinnegan Sharingan are great but it takes more than that to win a spar lol.
Bro 🤣 .. That reverse summoning thing is funny... It remind me Jiraiya can seal Amaterasu with scrolls in a mid fight 😂.
And to summon someone you need to spend chakra so Doing it with different dimension is not possible for normal shinobis.. And reverse summon was do with Manda not on Sasuke, Sasuke is inside manda so That argument is stupid....
You’re not required to be *inside* the Summoning Animal, as Naruto was standing on top of Gamabunta and Gamakichi when he was reverse summoned to Konoha during the Pain Arc.
Not sure what you meant with the chakra stuff
@@2_loko either way you need a Summoning animal .... To summon Naruto and Sasuke, so6o need all previous hokage's help to reverse summon so can Itachi or Sasuke individually do that....
@@Pain-106 You’re leaving out details, all Nine Bijuu were also brought back alongside the rest of Team 7. That could be the reason why Hagaromo needed so much chakra.
@@2_loko Still you can't prove Sasuke or Itachi have enough chakra to do that....
@@Pain-106 Brother, that’s YOUR burden to prove since you’re making the claim, L burden shift smh
The tailed beast are trash except kurama didn't kakuzu and deidara smoke em
Somewhat off screen but yes they did
@@TheLightningBlade people want wm obito like he can summon 6 tailed beast like against any high kage level character they're just a distraction
@@hunterherndon8573No with Obito's perception they're faster and can blitz KCM Naruto....
Team Itachi wins.
Great vid but obito stomps you guys didn’t even bring up the gedo statue because with that he would stomp itachi and sasuke. Also the part where you said obtio would be getting attacked from both sides is wrong because you act like the kamui dimension is small which it isn’t and whenever danzo men got sucked into kamui they never saw sasuke or Karin. They never saw each other
And yet when Kakashi and Naruto got sucked in.. Obito was there 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheLightningBlade yeah well guess what they are both exceptions because they had obitos own eye, kakashi is the only other person in the series who has kamui. Naruto was literally sucked into kamui by kakashi and kakashi was sucked in by obtio but he also has kamui. That still wouldn’t change the fact that danzo men and sasuke and Karin never saw each other
@@OneAboveAll_0 nahhh see now that just sounds like a cop out answer lol I mean I get it like Kamui is a big demension but considering how Kakashi and Naruto were near Obito in the same fight (and that we never actually saw Fuu and Torinei in the demension from their perspective) then that leads me to believe that if it’s in the same fight, that at the very least it’s more likely they’re gonna see Obito phasing from inside.
@@TheLightningBlade I highly doubt that and how is that a cop up answer?? It sounds like the truth but you’re just denying it. I mean you can clearly see that when kakashi and Naruto get sucked in they are both already connected to kamui I mean they are literally using his own eye😂😂😂meaning its most likely different for other characters who aren’t connected to kamui at all. It still doesn’t change the fact that fuu and torune never saw sasuke or Karin. I mean sure he will see obito but he’s not gonna reach him in time across the dimension to kill him😂😂😂he’s just gonna keep running
@@OneAboveAll_0 sounds like you’re wanting to believe it’s different for every character to better the odds for Obito 😂😂😂
3:17 not faster at all
why not? Naruto was getting stronger every minutes in the war
@@go_touch_grass_bro sasuke just isn't faster
@@username2168 atleast Sasuke show that he matched Naruto on speed, means he should be equal or faster than Naruto
@@go_touch_grass_bro not faster, relative maybe but not faster at all
@@username2168 well if you keep saying "not faster at all" with no proof then there is no point of convincing you
yamcha wins
Finally some respect on Itachi and Sasuke
If you’ve analyzed the manga deeply and aren’t a obito meat gobler you know itachi and baby EMS slam
All things considered it’s a tough fight I believe
@@TheLightningBladeonly tough because obito is hard to hit because of kamui. Not hard because he can do much against them
@@SoullessFNmaybe on Opposite Day
@@poodie3887 casual detected
@@SoullessFN *Souless with a base take again. W*
with gedo statue obito no diffs. without gedo statue obito without juubi 1 rinnegan mid diff itachi and sasuke. juubito no diff itachi- sasuke