Femke's performance was outstanding. She's given herself a punchers chance. She isn't saying a word, she's just going out there and pushing herself to do more. I gotta respect that whether she wins in Paris or not. The are close enough to make the race interesting. That's all I really wanna see.
@@Prodigalzson no word from either camp. Sydney has very few races this season. I agree Bol and Sydney have not been pushed at all this season. I was very surprised Sydney didn’t run the flat 400. Her times are crazy fast. Bottle line is: those two pushing each other we could see a really good time. It depends on conditions but at the very least we will see a heck of a race!
It defenitly was an outstanding performence, and I might be wrong but she looked surprised with her time only because she did not plan to show her progress on this occasion.....
Props for your thorough analysis! One remark: Femke and Sydney are practically the same age. But the difference is that Femke only started on the hurdles in 2019 compared to McLaughlin who started already in 2014. This is what gives the impression that Femke is "younger", especially in 2021 and 2022. However by now Femke also has 5 years of experience so these coming Olympics are actually the first where we can call both athletes: "mature hurdlers"
Ah thanks for this call out (I was talking off memory so forgot!) But that's a great point that they are now both mature hurdlers, since Femke only started way more recently than Sydney.
Femke 6 1/2 months younger, than Sydney, also Sydney took a "break"....and compared in every aspect Femke is progressing way faster, so it's just a matter of a year or two, or even less time, when Femke takes over and be the new WR holder on hurdles, btw Femke performed a 49.17 flat indoors ALREADY! She did a 23.5 first 200m....can Sydney do that......????? Hmmmmmm
@@Shandy6733 Oh yeah I can tell you've never ran track before. Indoor is NOT harder than outdoors. Indoor takes the element of wind away, the track is smaller, its elevated, and you run downhill. Smh.
To be crystal clear - those who support Sydney say no way and those who support Femke say possibly she will. I have seen the 50.95 Femke race and thought she eased off between 9 and 10 a little by her standards but was quicker in the earlier stages.Have seen her clear hurdle 10 more smoothly than she did in this race. For both it could be down to who has the most perfect race - I support Femke but fully accept Sydney is amazing and will be the favourite. It’s a shame some Sydney fans seem to think Femke is poor - one even told me she is so poor that she would not even get in the USA 4x400m squad if she were American - some are simply deluded.
It is emotionally hard for some Americans to accept that anybody non-American is doing anything remotely "good". These people need constant verbal confirmation of their own feeling of superiority to feed their fragile ego's
🤣 The top 3 of the American Trials on the 400 meter: Kendall Ellis 49.46 PB. ... Aaliyah Butler 49.71 PB. ... Alexis Holmes 49.78 PB. While Femke Bol ran 49.17 INDOOR (0.3 faster than the WINNER of your US trials and equivalent to 48.36 outdoor) in Glasgow
@@PacoJastorius-gx1fb Femke Bol would easily make the USA team even if she was not chosen to be in the final 4. But ask some Sydney fans and they say she is not good enough. They simply want to criticise her ability. Not sure why you said “your US trials” - I am from the UK. Did you misread my comment ?
@@PacoJastorius-gx1fbLieke Klaver has beaten Kendal Ellis a week ago with good margin. And we know Femke is faster than Lieke. So what are you talking about. Its makes no sense this shit.
This is a great point. Femke is a generational talent, and its sometimes hard to appreciate because Sydney is also here at the same time. Femke has broken in the indoor 400m record multiple times, has run 50 seconds over hurdles now and 51 seconds a bunch of times. Easily one of the most talented athletes in the sport. Its just tough because Sydney is currently faster so her talent gets overshadowed.
A couple of minor things: 1:03 Yes, 0.5s improvement on her PB is a lot and I'm not saying she'll improve even further this year, but Sydney improved more when she went from 51.41 to 50.68, so it's not unheard of. 1:40 Her coach is Swiss and he took like half the Dutch Olympic T&F team there, it could be a last minute thing for Bol, but they could also chose to not announce it to keep it on the low. 1:57 Have you looked at the calendar for the 400mH this year ? Almost all DL 400mH races are after the Olympics, so I think Femke taking it slow wasn't completely her choice. 4:50 The argument that Sydney has more experience running sub 51 with 2 races 2 years apart versus Bol having run 1 is a weak argument to me at best. I do agree that Sydney is obviously still the favorite and that they will probably both improve a bit coming into Paris. I think the 50.65 WR didn't change anything for Femke since she already knew she'd have to be able to beat the 50.68 WR to even consider gold. Same for this 50.95, I don't think it makes any difference for Sydney. What would make a difference is if the current gap of 0.3s is also the difference in the final, because a gap of 0.8s would give Sydney a lot more of a safe margin for minor mistakes or not feeling 100% on the day ...
Bunch of delusional Bol fans, who will be crying and making more excuses after Paris. Here is a simple reality, Bol has never come remotely close , to beating Sydney, much less beaten her.
Femke is sheduled to face some stiffer competition in the event at the London Diamond League. If she goes sub 51 secs again then the stage will be set perfectly going into Paris with both ladies having accomplished 2 sub 51 sec runs each. This will add some amount of tension to the contest on both sides as the outcome will be uncertain. I will wait until after the London race to make a call.
@@Magnusfication how can I source a prediction, goofball? That’s what we’re all doing. When someone says “my team will win the Super Bowl” No one expects them to have any actual “proof” of that prediction. But based on the fact that her 50.95 was run at altitude and the weather in London is expected to be kinda crappy, it seems like a safe prediction to make that she won’t run close to her PB. But if she runs 50.15, I’ll eat all the crow you got.
@@CHEETAH69 see how hard was that. To put some data behind your assertion. But the most important difference between ur first and second post was that you admitted it was a prediction. Instead a bold faced assertion of fact. And yet you have the audacity to call me a goofball for pointing that out. People have been overstating the elevation (not thst high and not enough to make a big difference) but i agree that and weather will probably make it more difficult to run under 51 again.
@@Magnusfication yes I called you a goofball because of course these are all predictions. I’m not clairvoyant. When I say the U.S. is gonna win the men’s 4x400, the understanding is that I’m making assumptions with the statement even if I don’t also offer the reasons behind them.
I definitely think you’re right. She has not really been challenged. I’ve never seen a person that runs as smooth as Sydney. She never looks like she’s running that fast. I believe she will go very low. I don’t think we have seen what Sydney has in her tank. If she runs smooth, she will win no problem. I have to disagree about her being spent. I just didn’t see it. You could definitely be right I’m just saying I didn’t see it. The other thing is she has only ran a couple times this season because of her injury. I guess will see soon enough!. I just watched a clip and the announcers said she was hardly breathing hard after she broke her own word record so I don’t know. I do know she makes running fast look extremely graceful.
Its just as close as it looks: 0.3s and in a hurdle race anyrhing can happen. I give mclaughlin 75% odds of winning. With the other 25% being her making a slight mistake and Bol capitalizes or Bol is simply better on the day
They are actually both 24. Here's something to consider. In 2018 Sydney ran the world lead time of 52.75 and in the six years since has improved that PB by just over two seconds. Femke didn't compete in the 400mH until 2019, when her PB was 55.32, so in the five years since, she has improved her PB by over four seconds. Sydney had a PB of 55..28 way back in 2015, so it has taken her an extra four years to make similar progression as Femke. You can't read too much into that, because Sydney starting younger would tend to slow the progress, because her body wasn't fully matured at the time, but the fact that Femke has managed to get this close still seems fairly impressive on the face of it. Fortunately, they are both still young enough that, if they continue to compete in the same event, they should both reach their full potential, although I would love for both of them to be competing in the flat 400m, because I'm sure that if they both had sufficient experience running flats and competing against each other they would both run 47's. All that aside, I agree, Sydney is still the likely winner.
@@ronester1 Most people can run 400m outdoors substantially faster than indoors and Femke is at a bigger disadvantage indoors than most women, because she is 6' tall, which makes the tight indoor bends that much more difficult. I don't think either of them could run a 47 second 400m now, but with a couple of seasons running flat 400m regularly, they'd probably be getting there.
@@ronester1 She should already be able to run faster than her 49.17 indoor time. To say she doesn't have the foot speed is ridiculous, her 200m PB is 22.64. At that foot speed she would run the 400m in 45.28. Obviously she's not going to maintain that kind of foot speed for 400m, but she does have that foot speed.
@@ronester1 she has the Indoor 400m World record but doesn't have the flat speed? I know indoor is not as competitive as outdoor, but usually we see that indoor times are around 1 to 2 seconds slower than outdoor. This would put her mighty close to that 47 second range.
@@TheFinalLeg No, 50.9 is a challenge to 50.6. Finally someone other than herself has run sub 51 so the 50.9 is a challenge to the 50.6, at least in my opinion.
@@suethemdifferent track. We won’t know until they race. It’s like rai Benjamin beat Warholm like 3 times already. But still like .30 short. If equaling world record.
@@suethemlove how y’all ignore the altitude boost which puts her even further away at 51.1. In the end Syd will run away unphased I saw the splits and Anderson did too. So Femke actually was ahead of Syd by 3 tenths 37.1 to 37.4 at the 300 mark comparing this race to Syd’s WR yet by the end it was 50.65 to 50.95. And I’m to believe this is a race 😒 come Paris I guarantee she won’t be ahead of Syd through 200 and certainly not 300, the gap widens immensely after 200 as Femke tries to match her and ultimately she wilts and fades that last 100-150 like in this race. She run 51 flat maybe even matches the 50.9 don’t see it happening but she could. Either way Syd streaks away from sub 50.1 if not the sub 50
After last weekend's races in Switzerland, it would be really interesting to see an educational video discussing the impact of stuff like altitude (and even wind speed) on races. Bol's time is amazing, but just how much does "but altitude" mean? A lot of people treating it as completely legitimate and others dismissing it entirely. I know it's not really the point of your channel but some educational content on understanding track would be amazing :)
there is some advantage, but on the other hand also disadvantage. your aerobic capacity is lowered by about 10% so that means the last 100 meter will be more difficult than at sea level. also, the advantage on the 400 meter is less than for the 100 meter, cuz the speeds are lower (and more lactic buildup). you could also see in this video at the split times that Femke's last part was slower then McLaughlins WR, maybe that was because of the lower aerobic capacity, so she got lactic sooner then usual. But i wouldnt know how much the net advantage is, most of the very good times were run on the 100 meter men and women and the 100 meter hurdles women in Switserland, so clearly they benefit more.
The higher speed of an athlete the more air pressure shows its influence. There are 2 important factors relevant. The weather, are you in a low pressure zone , less that 1000 hPa, or in a high pressure zone, more than 1020 hPa. Altitude adds to this effect. At high altitude air pressure is lower. The difference is around 60 hPa per 500 m. The speed of a 50.6 400 m runner as about 7,9 m/s. Or 28,4 km/h A top speedskater ( woman ) needs 1 m 12 sec( 2 sec) for a 1000 m race. Thats 13,9 m/s or 50,0 km / h I use the 1000 m speetskating because the average speed is higher than over 400 m which world class athletes master in 37 secs. This is due to the relative slow startup for speedskaters, around 10,5 sec for the first 100m. Now the air resistance is depending on the square of the velocity. A two times higher velocity gives a 4 times higher air resistance. So in sports like skiing, cycling and speedskating this air resistance plays a measurable role. Speedskating is interesting because the top events are in indoor arenas with a 400 m track. And there is a lot of statistics, both on lowland venues ( less than 100m altitude) and highland venues (600 - 800 m ). Most world records in speed skating on short and middle distances ( 100 - 1500 m ) are set on these higher altitude locations. For longer distances it’s different. There is less oxygen on higher altitude, for a long distance runner this is a disadvantage. Long distance records a best set at lower altitudes in relatively cool weather. The speed for a long distance runner female is between 20 - 21 km/h. The weather itself plays a important role, warm or even hot weather isn’t affecting much the results in races between 100 - 1500m. Before the heath really starts to play an important role will take about 4 - minutes. After that the body temperature will be so high it will significantly affects the athlete’s ability. For sprint distances hot weather is in fact preferred. The second way weather plays a role is So what is the difference in time at the 1000 m women speed skating between low altitude and high altitude: World record high altitude: Brittany Bow (USA) 1.11.61 location Salt Lake City, altitude 1300 m Best time low altitude, also Brittany Bow 1.13.84 Location Heereveen, altitude 0 m Altitude Eugene 126 m Altitude La Chaux de Fonds 991 m Can we estimate the advantage in running a 400 m at different altitudes from this. Hardly. We can say that in normal weather conditions it should be an advantage. We have one nice recent statistic in the 100 m hurdles though. Nadine Visser ran a national record of 12.46 in Hengelo , The Netherlands, in mediocre weather conditions one week prior to her race in La Chaud de Fonds, where she again set a National record. Now in 12.36 sec. Now in fine weather conditions.
1000m altitude in a 400mh race is not that big of an advantage, maybe 0.1 or 0.2. But the conditions was very windy which is a disadvantage for a 400 race
@@CHEETAH69 yes like i said i dont know how much the advantage (less air pressure) and disadvantage (more lactic) is, so it could very well be that she wouldve been slower anyway. but in the last part of the race the difference seemed to be biggest. normally i would say the las part is Femkes strongest part.
Have to admit I was hugely happy to see that performance from Bol. It's way more fun to watch a race where people are actually competing with other racers rather than just the clock. Recently Sydney has simply been racing the clock and no one else. Sure that has it's own kind of impressiveness, but man....seeing these two racing close down to the tape? THAT is what I want to see in the Olympics. Will we? It's hard to say Sydney won't just......step up to another whole different level. The change in race plan is also important. That change may quite possibly get her close to that magic "under 50" race. Slowing down the front end to maintain speed in the final hundred is a hold over from the 400 flat. Interesting to see her making changes in one race based around experience in others. All that being said, Sydney is still the clear favorite. Her latest WR race she did not look gassed like she did after the WR in 2022. If she can figure out the optimal step pattern to go along with her seemingly increased flat speed this year I just can't see this as Bol's year. Barring things like injury, illness, etc... Let's hope we get to see another epic Olympic race like in Tokyo!
A .3 gap means Sid is no longer "on another planet". But who's surprised? People who don't follow track, and don't know Femke broke the 400 indoor record a few months ago, or think gravity is different indoors.
Sydney before switching her stride pattern: 52.23. 1st year after switching stride pattern: 51.46. Second year after switching stride pattern 50.68. This year (so far 50.65). Bol before switching stride pattern: 52.03. 1st year after switching stride pattern 51.45. Second year after switching stride pattern (so far) 50.95. These times show Femke in the ballpark of Syd in just about every part of the race, and I'm impressed with the extent to which she's cleaned up her finish compared to previous races, but I'm still favoring Syd because of how Syd sets up the last 3 hurdles. Syd usually starts faster, but Femke can run the first 7 hurdles faster than Syd, which is why she's ahead at 200 in both of your scenarios, and is even with Syd at 300. But Syd's downshift around hurdle 7 or 8 is just lethal, however she paces her race. I think it will be a fast race, but I don't expect Syd to get below 50.5. The times you showed for her previous record runs show how you're working with a finite amount of energy, and she''ll be running heats, etc. Bol will run 50.7 or 50.8. The race will look pretty close because even the difference between 50.65 and 50.95 is just a few meters on the track.
Aah the sounds of the Ice cream truck. You must be in my hometown Brooklyn New York? Femke and Sydney are not that far apart in age about 6 months actually. So they will both be in their prime together for a long while. I can see Sydney breaking her own world record in Paris and winning gold with Femke running a PB but not in the ballpark of Sydney. Who comes in 3rd is Anna Cockrell in my opinion.
Indeed. But the difference is in the experience. Bol started on the hurdles in 2019, McLaughlin in 2014. So in 2021and 2022 Bol was still a Newby. However, these games in Paris are the first where we will see her as a mature hurdler.
Thank you for your analysis. Or should I say speculations? I read a lot of American reactions about the assumed profit of high altitude, forgetting that the weather conditions and the track surface weren’t optimal and that Sydney raced her world records on her springy, bouncing home track in Eugene. Circumstances are equal in Paris. Of course Sydney still has kind of an edge, but a surprise wouldn’t surprise me. After the London Wanda Diamond competition coming weekend we will know more. I am looking forward to a historic clash and in that case the outcome is perfectly ok with me.
@@hansolo2121 Stop it. Femke turned Pro in 2019, Sydney turned Pro in 2018. Sydney was a "seasoned legend" because she competed at the Olympic trials at 16 years old. So yes Eugene was a fair competition, Femke had been a pro for 4 years and Sydney for 5 years. Femke running more in the season doesn't make her better. Sydney didnt run any hurdles races last year because she switched to the open 400. And yes, she only managed to get 3 hundreds off her personal best because her PB was the WR!
The thing people are forgetting tho Sydney 2 50s have been run in the us outside of us Sydney last time we're around 51s just like bol im saying that because if you look at times usly outside of us so I actually think will be pretty close
Femke Bol won the 400 meters hurdles at the London meeting on Saturday (London meeting) in 51 sec 30 sea level, 1000m altitude 50:95. We have to come down from the little cloud.
You have to come down from your fear of Bol. 994 meter = 0.2 seconds so realistically that 50.95 was a 51.15. And this 51.30 (as usual with 1.5 seconds or 12 meter or lead on the complete field was just a nice confirmation of form for Bol who was not even winded after the race. In Paris we will see more.
That is the result of an online calculator for the 400m, but the 400mH and the 400m are not the same events. At altitude, the faster the race, the more benefit you get from the thinner air and the 400mH is a slower event than the 400m. Also, at altitude there is less oxygen in the air and the 400mH is harder physically than the 400m, so the disadvantage is bigger for the hurdles.
Each time when I see them compete separately, Sydney finishes very exhausted, Femke sometimes I wonder, did she really maxed out on the track? Everything is possible, it’s all about the form of the day, nothing is written in stone!
Nice analyse. However u did not take into account that Femke has been progressing over different track in different countries. Sarah has only produced these super times on one specific track in the USA. The fact that Femke is competing is the sole reason why Sarah is doing the 400h. That alone means she is force to recon with. We will see in Paris how perform.
i think the reason why ppl say Femke is close so if she improves a bit more she might win and Sydney might make a mistake and then Bol is there to take over is because McLaughlin is the favorite, so if she doesnt win gold she kinda lost, while if Femke would take 2nd its kind of as expected, so if Femke would make a mistake (a small one ofcrouse) will still give her silver and she wouldve done what was expected of her. so its not that ppl dont realize that Femke can also make a mistake or improve less than McLaughlin, but then the outcome will be as already expected by most.
altitude of that track = 994 meter, gives about 0.2 of a second advantage. And maybe I should remind you that Bol ran her previous PB of 51.45 in London last year, at sea level in a very windy city?
Femke did not expect 50.95 and so i think she will improve again in Paris. It will be close and the winning time will be around 50.2. I think Femke will win because she has the most progression the last year.
She will win because she has the most progression? That makes no sense. Yes she's progressing fast but I could say so is Sydney. Sydney took close to 2 years off from the hurdles, came back, and in her 4th hurdle race of the year she broke the WR. Thats also a fast progression.
@@playerschooljackson shhhhh---that's too much intelligence for Bol fans--------- Her fans have this weird claim that Femke is progressing faster than Sydney--------But the question they should be asking is, what will Sydney's progression be if she hadn't taken a year off?? Well, as you rightly said, she came back and within a couple of months broke her own world record-------------The other question is, is Sydney still in 50.65 shape or has she gotten better in the past 3weeks? Clearly, she has gotten better------Right about now, she is running 50 low------by the time she gets to Paris, there is no telling how low she will go----I predict a 49.7 low------------------------All I am saying is, Bol is in trouble.🤣🤣
Femke Bol is Taller, has longer legs, is stronger (powercleans 100kg!) has a phenomenal running form, and is faster over the hurdles. I would not be so certain if I where you.
The times on this event were suspect. Look at the men's 100m for example: the event winner had never under 10sec. Ronnie Baker has not ran under 10 sec all year. This were exaggerated results.🤡
NONE of the runners in the race with Bol ran a PB, and only ONE ran even an SB. And you think that big improvements are "Suspect"? Ok that I have a BIG one for you: mrs McLaughlin improved 2 seconds (!) in the space of one month in june... Is that "suspect" to then?
@@DexterGordon-dr8qdshe didn’t improve in two months capability wise. What she ran in Georgia in June was clearly an easy season opener and to try and compare that to the 100m performance in Switzerland is soooo foolish. Sydney ran an exceptional 200m and 400m ahead of her WR last month. This wasn’t a 2-second PB, it was her actually trying in the US trials final
@@masonponton6166 That is BS, and unproven assumption. And the FACTS say different. If you had even the slightest knowledge of running and performance management, you would know that since the beginning of June Bol (like all athletes) is in the proces of "tapering" and "peaking" toward top-shape for the final of the Olympics on the 8th of August. Bol started with a 53.07 on the 2nd of June and rapidly improved to 52.49 at the EC in Rome on the 11th of june. That is a speed of improvement of .58 in 9 days. Which is comparable to last year when she improved from a season opener of 53.12 to the famous 3d time ever of 51.45 in London in july. So this is a completely NORMAL pattern for Bol. Only difference is that she ran less big races in the meanwhile so that her improvement was not so visible as last year. You are trying CONSTRUCT something here, brother.
@@masonponton6166 Euhm, I know that you Americans and McLaughlin fans have a near religious awe for mrs McLaughlin, but reality is that that 200 meter of 22.07 was very good for a 400 meter runner (who typically have 200m PB's in the high 22,'s or low 23's, such as Dalilah Muhammad: pb 23.35) but in the world of 200 specialists it is not special. 22.07 is about the 285th time on the alltime list, and for instance Gabby Thomas PB is 21.60...). And on the 400 flat Femke Bol is clearly stronger as World Record Holder.
Can anybody tell me if there would be differences in the projections described in the video if it turns out to be a 'rain race'? Will this only have influence on the times or also on the relative times? Thank you!
Why are you even asking this? No one asks this question unless they know the answer and they’re playing devils advocate. A rain race throws everything out since both of their practiced rhythms will not be available to them. Femke probably won’t have a chance since her gains have been attributed to a newer rhythm.
@Hengel_Andrews I have no idea what you are trying to get at here. Thanks for answering, though. So if I understand you correctly your estimation is that SLM will be relatively more quick than FB on a wet surface. I don't watch much athletics, but for example in F1 a favourite in the dry may not win in the wet. There are a lot more variables in F1, obviously, but you do seem to think there is such an effect in athletics too.
@@ljcdehaan I don’t know F1, but if I heard there was going to be a race in the rain, I’d ask: Which drive has the higher average lap speeds? Which driver is more aggressive? Which driver has had more races on this track? Lastly, which driver has been with their current team the longest? Answers. If you’re faster you have more room to slow down- Sydney. If you’re more aggressive you’ll make more potential mistakes- Femke. If you know the track that’s a one less variable- Both. Time with a team builds trusts and more steadfast adherence to race plans- Sydney. 3:1 in favor of Sydney.
@@Hengel_Andrews Bro, this is the biggest heap of circular reasoning I heard in a longtime. But let me tell you this: mrs McLaughlin has set ALL of her fastest times on the perfect track at Hayward Field in Eugene Oregon. (her fastest time on any other track is the 51.46 from Tokio in 2021). This is one of the fastest tracks in the world with its expensive superbouncy Beynon track surface. Bol on the other hand has much more experience on race all kinds of tracks and circumstances. First of all she is from the Netherlands where rain is normal, secondly where McLaughlin runs about 5 or 6 carefully selected races per year, Bol on the other hand WON 36 races in a row in dozens of different stadiums in 2023 and 2024. So if anybody is better suited for dealing with unexpected track conditions it is Bol, and I would be more worried about McLaughlin having a problem with the Paris track.
I'm not sure you talked about this or not but there is 11% less oxygen at La Chaux de Fonds so if Femke was running at Sea Level I think she would have broken the world record sub 50.5 seconds that day. My takeaway from the race is that Femke is improving slightly faster than SML. Right now I think both women are equal in potential. During the Paris Games I would say that SML leads the race for the first 200M and than it depends on how badly Femke want to win whether she gets the Silver or the Gold. Psychologically, there is more pressure on SML to win the Gold and she will enter the race with more stress. On the other hand, Femke has nothing to lose. She is going into this with less global pressure because the world is backing SML to win. This will the race to watch.
Yes, there is a bit less oxygen, but for the (shorter) sprints that isn't much of a problem. More importantly you're not taken into account that the air is thinner at altitude, which makes sprinters usually faster at altitude. Most of the time the benefits of altitude refers to the 100m and 200m (and jumps), the 400m is less affected and the 400mH even less, but there is definitely a benefit. This track is at around 993m elevation and anything less than 1000m usually isn't considered "high altitude" for track, but Bol probably still got a 0.1-0.2s benefit from it ...
@@TheFinalLeg Maybe I should have written sub-51, by which I meant 50.8-50.9 for Femke. This would be still big improvement for her as her new PB 50.95 was set 1000m above see level. While in Paris it'll be 3 runs on the bounce. Rather exhaustive. With Sydney it is different. She seems hungry for running after that pause. On the other hand, thinking she could be breaking 50 seems a bit insane to me but what if? ;)
Agreed that it is now "closer" between SML and FB, but SML is still the favourite and for FB to win gold in Paris would be an upset. That being said, considering the times of all the other top 400m runners so far this year, it seems like a missed opportunity that SML didn't decide to stick with her 2023 plan of focusing on the 400m instead of returning to the 400mH. Speaking as an entitled and disgruntled fan (LOL) she is the generational talent to knock-off Marita Koch's record... unless that's her plan for 2025?
Absolutely not going to happen. Sydney has never been challenged and she has more in the tank than we have seen. Sydney will have a shocking time at the Olympics and Femke will just wish she could catch her
Progression of the gap between Bol and McLaughlin: 2022: 1.24 seconds, 2023: 0.8 seconds, 2024 untill now: 0.3 seconds. See the pattern...? + Femke was surprised by her own performance = not going full tilt..
This smooth talker still tries to play down Femke's performance because it as he says was set on height (of negligible 0,6 mile !!), on some local track with who knows what quality surface, where Sydney's times have ALL been set on certified springy surface.
Exactly people talking like the 700 meter altitude difference between Switzerland and Eugene means a 52 runner will magically go sub 51, all while ignoring Eugene is known to be a fast track and may not translate to other tracks. Heres a wild thought: lets wait and see what happens in Paris!
He said she might run 50.6 in Paris, sounds like you want him to say it’s going to be close even if that’s not how he views it. 50.6 isn’t downplaying anything
I can't believe all the Femke fans claiming Sydney can only run fast on one track in Eugene. What a ridiculous and idiotic statement. Now what are you going to say, that only lane 5 in Paris was springy and lane 6 wasn't. The bottom line is Sydney is way faster than Femke, no matter what track they race on.
I mean yea she is definitely a worthy competition but honestly I can't go against Sydney. Femke impressively broke her former PB & Sydney Broke the WR ... Again😅. Seriously all I'm asking for is a good race though 💯
@@CHEETAH69 Out of the 18 women in the 400mH, only two ran a PB. Sure, there were quite a few PBs at the meet because it is at 993m altitude and that benefits (short) sprints and jumps. Seasons bests are irrelevant though, because if you're in the Olympics and you're not near peak form right now, you've got a problem, But again, in the women's 400mH only 2 out of 18 ran a PB, so the 400mH clearly didn't get the same benefit from the altitude and conditions as other events ...
@@_MicZ_ He's talking about the other events, not just the 400mh. In the men's 100, you had just about everyone set their best by .2-.3 seconds. Unknown guys running 9.8, and 10.3 guys running 10.00
She's definitely leaving everything to get close to Sydney. You have to applaud that. Ultimately she's giving Sydney that extra motivation to go sub 50. I think it happens in Paris.
Why is it that when American or "favoured European athletes" produce these ASTONISHING PERFORMANCES, it is never questioned. However, when an African or poorer nation's athlete (Christine Mboma, etc), do the same they are accused of doping or having an elevated testosterone problem (DSD). Have either Sydney or Femke ever been subjected to such humiliation ??
to answer your question: yes. Especially Femke Bol won 36 individual 400m and 40mh races in 2023 and 2024, and the winner always (!) gets tested. So YES they get tested. It is just that untill now no such substances have been found in their blood or urine... And therefore it is not a "humiliation". It only becomes a "humiliation" when illegal substances or heightened levels of hormones are found that are not supposed to be there. Which I, would say, is of the athlete's own doing...
@rientsdijkstra4266 When Christine Mboma was banned, it was because they claimed that her naturally occurring testosterone level was considered TOO HIGH. They were effectively accusing her of being a male athlete despite evidence to the contrary. This has to be a humiliation to an eighteen year old young woman. World Athletics insisted that she be placed on medication to reduce her natural testosterone level, so she would run slower... Do you think they would even think of suggesting such a thing to McLaughlin or Bol ??
Bro, it's not hard to tell....Femke's progression is wilder, she is progressing faster, plus she is younger too, plus Sydney had a big gap in her career, for whatever reason. IMO Femke will win the GOLD in Paris....also, Femke is capable of running sub 50.65 which will make her the WR holder...I do respect Sydney and her performance, but Femke is better now, Sydney is the past, Femke is the present and the future and Sydney sensing it, so she plays out all she's got, but that was it, Femke's got more in the tank.
What? Lol. "Big gap in her career, for whatever reason"? That tells me you dont actually watch track. OH and Femke is capable of running sub 50.65 but not Sydney? Femke runs 50.95 all of a sudden she is capable of running sub 50.65, YET Sydney runs 50.65 and she isnt capable of running sub 50.65? Femke got more in the tank but not Sydney? Smh ahaha
femke did 14 strides per hurdle for only half the race. If she does it the whole race she gets 50.51 or something like that. She's sitting on a career effort.
50.65s vs 50.95s thats still 30s difference. And the 50.65s running a gruelling triala. Bol 50.95s just one race and at high altitude. Yes l. I agree Sydney is a clear winner. Shes gonna break the 49s.
@@FerdinandTambungui This races was at 994 meter, that is officially not even "altitude" (starts at 1000m) Influence: less than 0.2 sec. You know nothing about a clear winner or the time untill the race is run and the athletes have crossed the line.
Everything you have said is irrelevant Yanks always want to assume they are the best the talking will be done on the track and the best on the day will win.
Come on, another video to praise Bol. The Bol fan club is out for the umpteenth time. 🤣 I'm putting this page aside and will come back after the final.
Let's be clear. When Sydney broke her record she had run two heats of the 400 hurdles. Running one race and breaking under 51 is far different than running two heats and a final. Syd has barely ran the 400 in competition. This is not a competition. She has never even came close to Syd. I guess you need clicks.
The age difference between Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone born August 7, 1999, and Femke Bol born February 23, 2000 is a Little over 6 months. So there is no real age advantage for a either athlete! Sydney has shown a capacity to improve at a faster rate than Femke. Remember it took Femke 2 years to improve her PB from the Tokyo olympics while Sydney broke the world record 2 more times. This race will not be closer than 8 meters. Sydney will win the gold metal again!
@@francescostano4445 they both made a big improvement when they switched their stride pattern and another big improvement the following year. What happens next? We'll find out. Generally, when you think an athlete cannot fail, you're about to get schooled, but Edwin Moses won a lot of these in a row.
Syd and her team only care about events that profit her Brand and Femke should do the same. T&F is a business and there's not a lot of $ at these meets. UR videos are the Best
Sydney is set to break her own WR for sure. Femke needs to drop the mixed relay and focus on the 400 m H in Paris. That's the only way she can keep up with Sydney in Paris.
That likely won't happen since the Netherlands has a good shot for mixed relay gold. But its true that she will have more racing in her legs leading into the 400mH!
@@TheFinalLeg Yeah, almost zero chance of Femke dropping either of the relays. Let's hope the coaches find a way to keep her out of the rounds for both though ...
She ran a PB in Tokyo in the Final behind Sydney and Dalilah. But I think in Paris this year she will have no choice but to PB to give Sydney a run for her money.
Bol is running great. If both run their best, she'll be a distance behind Sydney, but anything is possible. I would venture to believe Syndey will finish at least 0.5 seconds ahead.
@@supirman Yep, that is true. IFF that is the time difference on the line. But what it really says is that McLaughlin is still the favorite but that Femke is now in a position where she has a fighting chance. From this position it is all about the form of the day, circumstances, and simple luck. And there are a number of factors that many people seem to forget, which could lead to unforseen results. Great racing ahead!
Those first 2 times seem quite realistic to me, but I don't see Cockrell going sub 52 just yet. She could get third, but I believe it won't be easy for her to beat Clayton.
The altitude definitely made the difference in her race, so I am confident that Femke is currently a low 51 performer at best. She has the potential to run sub-50, but beating Sydney in Paris is a tall order and unlikely. I don't see it happening, but I am excited about the possibilities, like the men's 400h.
@@DexterGordon-dr8qd You're playing apples and oranges. Everyone knows that higher altitudes benefit sprinters. I would've been more impressed if Femke had run her 50.95 anywhere below 2,000 meters. However, your assertion proves my point that Miss Bol is a low 51-second performer. Nice try, though.
@@RN-DNP Which apples and organges? I am simply put your statement in context. Furthermore your words show that your thinking is far to rigid. If you knew anything about running or performance management and "peaking" you would know that the athletes are at the moment in the proces of optimizing their physical shape for Paris. That means that they are in a proces of going from 53-ish times to 50.5-ish times, and as you see in both mcLaughlin and Bol and also all other athletes at the moment. Their performance levels are rapidly CHANGING (ever heard of that word?) towards Paris, as you could also have understood from the words of the maker of this video, if you had taken the troube to actually LISTEN. So statements about "person X is a ... athlete" are completely meaningless and they only show your total lack of comprehension. 🤡
Though it was altitude, I heard that the wind was swirling and caused the conditions to be tougher than they were. I do acknowledge that altitude played a part, but I do think Femke has the ability to replicate this 50-second performance in Paris next month
Well, it's not like Sydney has been running sub 51 "consistently". She ran it 2 times, 2 years apart. I think Sydney ran the second sub 51 time a lot smoother and easier than the first one though, so it looks like she'll do it more consistently from here on out ... As for Femke, we'll just have to wait and see, but 50.95 is very close to low 51, so I don't expect DL in London to be a sub 51 this year.
@@_MicZ_ consistent as in two world records under 51..love to hear what y’all call it, you & ur 6 likes that is! As for femke….she has yet to beat Sydney and will have to go under 51 again (that would be twice btw) to do it.
Euhm, do your homework, fool: altitude of that track = 994 meter, gives about 0.2 of a second advantage, so even with that this still was a massive improvement, and one of the fastest times EVER.
You said it’s best not even close, close serser 😭😭Yah gotta understand she was close to 4k elivation, femke will have 4x4 mixed relay rounds and before her 400 hurdle rounds you think she was beating a fresh syd? Nahhh man.,
@@PacoJastorius-gx1fb There are no proven formulas to calculate the influence of 993m altitude on the women's 400mH, just estimations. Most of the calculators you can find for altitude are optimized for the 100m and 200m as those distances benefit the most from altitude, only a few ones try to predict 400m (for men) and I have found none that also take hurdles into account (hurdles = slower race, so less altitude benefits).
I Love Femke Bol. But the concern is at the Olympics. Can she run 3rds and still PR in the finals. Sydney has already proven that she can; and that's without much of any competition down the home stretch. Then there's the pure foot speed advantage Sydney has over Bol. In my opinion, if they're both at full strength, Sydney will always win. Bol can still be close but not close enough to actually beat her. Unless Sydney is physically compromised. In the end, I can see Femke breaking the WR and still losing the race, similar to Rai Benjamin did when losing to Warholm
Sydney never looks tired - compare body languages after races and I conclude, SML will utilized FB strength and determine FB will fight back with a PERSONAL BEST - 50.58 Will this get the GOLD? I will love it for her - the team spirit she displayed beating my team Jamaica in 4X400M was awesome - it was SPECIAL and we cannot TAKE it away from FBOL.
To be fair, Femke PBd in the Tokyo Olympic Final after the rounds, and she ran extremely fast after rounds. I think rounds are less of an issue, its more if she can hold on and improve on this PB behind Sydney, which I think she will
@@DexterGordon-dr8qd Yes, but indoor is completely different than outdoor. Plus Sydney was not in the race. A person whom she's never beaten head to head. And the 400 hurdles is a completely different monster in the finals at the Olympics. We're talking about Sydney McLaughlin, breaking the world record four times already all by herself in majority of the home stretch. Bol can run 50.6 and still lose by half a second in the finals. That's how insanely good Sydney is.
@@facereality0007 Why are you Americans so anxious to deny that the 400 indoor is relevant? Because a none American is dominating there? REALITY is that they are the same disciplines: "run 400 meter as fast as you can...", but with some differences, such as more and steeper and banked corners etc. But those differences are not so big that you can not compensate for them. And actually the IAAF provides a mechanism for such conversion: the Result Scores. Furthermore there is no reason that if someone can do that indoor she can not do that outdoor. There is really no indication for such a conclusion.
Many people set PBs at Hayward Field every year, that doesn't make those times "fake". Sure, this track is known for athletes setting a PB there, but the times are perfectly valid and recognized by WA as such ...
The altitude of 994 meter gives about 0.2 (or less) advantage. So even with that it still was a blisteringly fast time. Furthermore, all of mrs McLaughlins fastest times are set on the superfast track at Hayward Field...
@@rientsdijkstra4266 You obviously have no idea how many current world records in track were earned at Hayward field. Not a excessive amouht. Look it up.
That's exactly what I said...Femke didn't have rounds her, Sydney ran her 50-second race after rounds. Might have missed that part of the video. Thanks for watching!
Euhm, her PB is 52.77, nearly 2 seconds slower than Femke, and Slower than Rushell and Cockrell (who are also far behind Femke). The difference between Bol and McLaughlin is many times smaller then the difference between anybody else and Bol (closest to Bol: Rushell with a PB that is 1.56 slower)
@@christopherwoodard779 O? I Looked your ms Jones up on World Athletic. But if that is not the right information, please give me some pointers, so that I can find better information?
Curious what you think Jasmine Jones will run in Paris? I think she has massive talent and upside, but for now, I think Anna Cockrell and Rushell Clayton are the main contenders for the medals.
@TheFinalLeg You got all you going to get out of Cockrell. She has no more upside. As far as time i'm not going to say. Jasmine jones has the same running style as Femke Bol. The only difference is Jasmine Jones has a way better start.
This race going insane... Last night in my dreams femke will drops in hurdles & she lost in race with 6th position in finels...& she drops this time femke was 2nd position behind sydney...
Bol is not a threat to Syd and never will be, in the next two years stronger athletes will arrive and we will see her disappear. I understand the desire to put on a good challenge, but it won't be like that and if Bol pushes too hard she will also come out of the medals discussion. let's stop praising an athlete who is nothing more than a good second or third choice
Yep, you are right. We will see McLaughlin disappear. After she is overtaken by Bol. Bol is only 0.3 behind McLaughlin, the next competitor is 1.56 seconds behind Bol. 🤡
Femke's performance was outstanding. She's given herself a punchers chance. She isn't saying a word, she's just going out there and pushing herself to do more. I gotta respect that whether she wins in Paris or not. The are close enough to make the race interesting. That's all I really wanna see.
Well said
@@Prodigalzson no word from either camp. Sydney has very few races this season. I agree Bol and Sydney have not been pushed at all this season. I was very surprised Sydney didn’t run the flat 400. Her times are crazy fast. Bottle line is: those two pushing each other we could see a really good time. It depends on conditions but at the very least we will see a heck of a race!
There is no wether she wins or not, it’s how much she’s loosing for Sydney😂.
It defenitly was an outstanding performence, and I might be wrong but she looked surprised with her time only because she did not plan to show her progress on this occasion.....
Props for your thorough analysis! One remark: Femke and Sydney are practically the same age. But the difference is that Femke only started on the hurdles in 2019 compared to McLaughlin who started already in 2014. This is what gives the impression that Femke is "younger", especially in 2021 and 2022. However by now Femke also has 5 years of experience so these coming Olympics are actually the first where we can call both athletes: "mature hurdlers"
Ah thanks for this call out (I was talking off memory so forgot!) But that's a great point that they are now both mature hurdlers, since Femke only started way more recently than Sydney.
Femke 6 1/2 months younger, than Sydney, also Sydney took a "break"....and compared in every aspect Femke is progressing way faster, so it's just a matter of a year or two, or even less time, when Femke takes over and be the new WR holder on hurdles, btw Femke performed a 49.17 flat indoors ALREADY! She did a 23.5 first 200m....can Sydney do that......????? Hmmmmmm
@@Shandy6733 Yeah she can, Sydney has ran 48.7 TWICE outdoor already. Femke broke a indoor record, please do not compare indoor to outdoor.
@@playerschooljackson Yeah, right, indoor is harder, everybody knows....watch the Paris Olympics and how Femke Bol will win the 400m hurdles!
@@Shandy6733 Oh yeah I can tell you've never ran track before. Indoor is NOT harder than outdoors. Indoor takes the element of wind away, the track is smaller, its elevated, and you run downhill. Smh.
We are seeing the greatest 400m hurdlers in the history of the event for both men and women at the same time! Very exciting!
To be crystal clear - those who support Sydney say no way and those who support Femke say possibly she will. I have seen the 50.95 Femke race and thought she eased off between 9 and 10 a little by her standards but was quicker in the earlier stages.Have seen her clear hurdle 10 more smoothly than she did in this race. For both it could be down to who has the most perfect race - I support Femke but fully accept Sydney is amazing and will be the favourite. It’s a shame some Sydney fans seem to think Femke is poor - one even told me she is so poor that she would not even get in the USA 4x400m squad if she were American - some are simply deluded.
It is emotionally hard for some Americans to accept that anybody non-American is doing anything remotely "good". These people need constant verbal confirmation of their own feeling of superiority to feed their fragile ego's
🤣 The top 3 of the American Trials on the 400 meter:
Kendall Ellis 49.46 PB. ...
Aaliyah Butler 49.71 PB. ...
Alexis Holmes 49.78 PB.
While Femke Bol ran 49.17 INDOOR (0.3 faster than the WINNER of your US trials and equivalent to 48.36 outdoor) in Glasgow
@@PacoJastorius-gx1fb Femke Bol would easily make the USA team even if she was not chosen to be in the final 4. But ask some Sydney fans and they say she is not good enough. They simply want to criticise her ability. Not sure why you said “your US trials” - I am from the UK. Did you misread my comment ?
@@PacoJastorius-gx1fbLieke Klaver has beaten Kendal Ellis a week ago with good margin. And we know Femke is faster than Lieke. So what are you talking about. Its makes no sense this shit.
This is a great point. Femke is a generational talent, and its sometimes hard to appreciate because Sydney is also here at the same time. Femke has broken in the indoor 400m record multiple times, has run 50 seconds over hurdles now and 51 seconds a bunch of times. Easily one of the most talented athletes in the sport. Its just tough because Sydney is currently faster so her talent gets overshadowed.
I really love all your analysis..
No extreme sensationalism..
No biases
Just unbiased analyses based on facts.
Keep up the good work!
A couple of minor things:
1:03 Yes, 0.5s improvement on her PB is a lot and I'm not saying she'll improve even further this year, but Sydney improved more when she went from 51.41 to 50.68, so it's not unheard of.
1:40 Her coach is Swiss and he took like half the Dutch Olympic T&F team there, it could be a last minute thing for Bol, but they could also chose to not announce it to keep it on the low.
1:57 Have you looked at the calendar for the 400mH this year ? Almost all DL 400mH races are after the Olympics, so I think Femke taking it slow wasn't completely her choice.
4:50 The argument that Sydney has more experience running sub 51 with 2 races 2 years apart versus Bol having run 1 is a weak argument to me at best.
I do agree that Sydney is obviously still the favorite and that they will probably both improve a bit coming into Paris. I think the 50.65 WR didn't change anything for Femke since she already knew she'd have to be able to beat the 50.68 WR to even consider gold. Same for this 50.95, I don't think it makes any difference for Sydney. What would make a difference is if the current gap of 0.3s is also the difference in the final, because a gap of 0.8s would give Sydney a lot more of a safe margin for minor mistakes or not feeling 100% on the day ...
A 0.3 gap means Sydney can’t stumble on any hurdles now. Although it’s rare that she does.
Yeah and Bol improved by more than 0.5 basically every year, only in 2022 she did not because that stride pattern was not good anymore for her
Bunch of delusional Bol fans, who will be crying and making more excuses after Paris. Here is a simple reality, Bol has never come remotely close , to beating Sydney, much less beaten her.
Femke is sheduled to face some stiffer competition in the event at the London Diamond League. If she goes sub 51 secs again then the stage will be set perfectly going into Paris with both ladies having accomplished 2 sub 51 sec runs each. This will add some amount of tension to the contest on both sides as the outcome will be uncertain. I will wait until after the London race to make a call.
She won’t go sub-51 in London.
@@CHEETAH69 here we go again, asserting things without evidence. "The source is that i made it the fuck up!"
@@Magnusfication how can I source a prediction, goofball? That’s what we’re all doing. When someone says “my team will win the Super Bowl” No one expects them to have any actual “proof” of that prediction. But based on the fact that her 50.95 was run at altitude and the weather in London is expected to be kinda crappy, it seems like a safe prediction to make that she won’t run close to her PB. But if she runs 50.15, I’ll eat all the crow you got.
@@CHEETAH69 see how hard was that. To put some data behind your assertion. But the most important difference between ur first and second post was that you admitted it was a prediction. Instead a bold faced assertion of fact. And yet you have the audacity to call me a goofball for pointing that out. People have been overstating the elevation (not thst high and not enough to make a big difference) but i agree that and weather will probably make it more difficult to run under 51 again.
@@Magnusfication yes I called you a goofball because of course these are all predictions. I’m not clairvoyant. When I say the U.S. is gonna win the men’s 4x400, the understanding is that I’m making assumptions with the statement even if I don’t also offer the reasons behind them.
Femke will likely push Sydney into breaking 50 seconds
my thoughts also.
I dont think Syds got sub 50 in her, her last 2 world records shes been absolutely spent when crossing that line. id say a 50.4 is more likely
Hurdles are rhythm dependent. If you’re pushed it’s pushed into mistakes, not into going faster or doing better.
I definitely think you’re right. She has not really been challenged. I’ve never seen a person that runs as smooth as Sydney. She never looks like she’s running that fast. I believe she will go very low. I don’t think we have seen what Sydney has in her tank. If she runs smooth, she will win no problem. I have to disagree about her being spent. I just didn’t see it. You could definitely be right I’m just saying I didn’t see it. The other thing is she has only ran a couple times this season because of her injury. I guess will see soon enough!. I just watched a clip and the announcers said she was hardly breathing hard after she broke her own word record so I don’t know. I do know she makes running fast look extremely graceful.
Yea that may likely happen. So if Sydney runs 49 seconds, what time will Femke run?
Yes Femke can!
Its just as close as it looks: 0.3s and in a hurdle race anyrhing can happen. I give mclaughlin 75% odds of winning. With the other 25% being her making a slight mistake and Bol capitalizes or Bol is simply better on the day
They are actually both 24. Here's something to consider. In 2018 Sydney ran the world lead time of 52.75 and in the six years since has improved that PB by just over two seconds. Femke didn't compete in the 400mH until 2019, when her PB was 55.32, so in the five years since, she has improved her PB by over four seconds. Sydney had a PB of 55..28 way back in 2015, so it has taken her an extra four years to make similar progression as Femke. You can't read too much into that, because Sydney starting younger would tend to slow the progress, because her body wasn't fully matured at the time, but the fact that Femke has managed to get this close still seems fairly impressive on the face of it. Fortunately, they are both still young enough that, if they continue to compete in the same event, they should both reach their full potential, although I would love for both of them to be competing in the flat 400m, because I'm sure that if they both had sufficient experience running flats and competing against each other they would both run 47's.
All that aside, I agree, Sydney is still the likely winner.
Bol does not have the foot speed to run a 47 second 400m flat but Sydney is getting there
@@ronester1 Most people can run 400m outdoors substantially faster than indoors and Femke is at a bigger disadvantage indoors than most women, because she is 6' tall, which makes the tight indoor bends that much more difficult. I don't think either of them could run a 47 second 400m now, but with a couple of seasons running flat 400m regularly, they'd probably be getting there.
@@Neofolis and your point being 🤔
@@ronester1 She should already be able to run faster than her 49.17 indoor time. To say she doesn't have the foot speed is ridiculous, her 200m PB is 22.64. At that foot speed she would run the 400m in 45.28. Obviously she's not going to maintain that kind of foot speed for 400m, but she does have that foot speed.
@@ronester1 she has the Indoor 400m World record but doesn't have the flat speed? I know indoor is not as competitive as outdoor, but usually we see that indoor times are around 1 to 2 seconds slower than outdoor. This would put her mighty close to that 47 second range.
Good commentary/analysis...
People are still underestimating Sydney.. the girl broke a new world records and people acting like it’s nothing … .
Underestimating Sydney???😅😅
Who's doing that?
Seems like its Femke who's being under-rated here...
Eumh, you made a typo, you typed Sydney where you meant Femke...
Nobody is underestimating Sydney. The problem is that Sydney bots on YT videos HAVE to mention Sydneybin every video.
Of course she can "challenge Sydney M' the question is can she beat her and the answer is no!!! Next!!
I generally agree, but lets define challenge? Is 50.6 vs 50.9 a challenge?
@@TheFinalLeg No, 50.9 is a challenge to 50.6. Finally someone other than herself has run sub 51 so the 50.9 is a challenge to the 50.6, at least in my opinion.
@@suethem Thats fair for sure
@@suethemdifferent track. We won’t know until they race. It’s like rai Benjamin beat Warholm like 3 times already. But still like .30 short. If equaling world record.
@@suethemlove how y’all ignore the altitude boost which puts her even further away at 51.1. In the end Syd will run away unphased I saw the splits and Anderson did too. So Femke actually was ahead of Syd by 3 tenths 37.1 to 37.4 at the 300 mark comparing this race to Syd’s WR yet by the end it was 50.65 to 50.95. And I’m to believe this is a race 😒 come Paris I guarantee she won’t be ahead of Syd through 200 and certainly not 300, the gap widens immensely after 200 as Femke tries to match her and ultimately she wilts and fades that last 100-150 like in this race. She run 51 flat maybe even matches the 50.9 don’t see it happening but she could. Either way Syd streaks away from sub 50.1 if not the sub 50
I agree with your analysis, let's just sit back and enjoy the show.
It will be competitive between the 2. I give the edge to Sydney because of her killer instinct. 👍👍👍
After last weekend's races in Switzerland, it would be really interesting to see an educational video discussing the impact of stuff like altitude (and even wind speed) on races. Bol's time is amazing, but just how much does "but altitude" mean? A lot of people treating it as completely legitimate and others dismissing it entirely.
I know it's not really the point of your channel but some educational content on understanding track would be amazing :)
there is some advantage, but on the other hand also disadvantage. your aerobic capacity is lowered by about 10% so that means the last 100 meter will be more difficult than at sea level. also, the advantage on the 400 meter is less than for the 100 meter, cuz the speeds are lower (and more lactic buildup). you could also see in this video at the split times that Femke's last part was slower then McLaughlins WR, maybe that was because of the lower aerobic capacity, so she got lactic sooner then usual.
But i wouldnt know how much the net advantage is, most of the very good times were run on the 100 meter men and women and the 100 meter hurdles women in Switserland, so clearly they benefit more.
@@joowstyor maybe it was slower because Syd is just faster?
The higher speed of an athlete the more air pressure shows its influence.
There are 2 important factors relevant.
The weather, are you in a low pressure zone , less that 1000 hPa, or in a high pressure zone, more than 1020 hPa.
Altitude adds to this effect. At high altitude air pressure is lower. The difference is around 60 hPa per 500 m.
The speed of a 50.6 400 m runner as about 7,9 m/s. Or 28,4 km/h
A top speedskater ( woman ) needs 1 m 12 sec( 2 sec) for a 1000 m race. Thats 13,9 m/s or 50,0 km / h
I use the 1000 m speetskating because the average speed is higher than over 400 m which world class athletes master in 37 secs. This is due to the relative slow startup for speedskaters, around 10,5 sec for the first 100m.
Now the air resistance is depending on the square of the velocity. A two times higher velocity gives a 4 times higher air resistance. So in sports like skiing, cycling and speedskating this air resistance plays a measurable role.
Speedskating is interesting because the top events are in indoor arenas with a 400 m track. And there is a lot of statistics, both on lowland venues ( less than 100m altitude) and highland venues (600 - 800 m ).
Most world records in speed skating on short and middle distances ( 100 - 1500 m ) are set on these higher altitude locations.
For longer distances it’s different. There is less oxygen on higher altitude, for a long distance runner this is a disadvantage. Long distance records a best set at lower altitudes in relatively cool weather. The speed for a long distance runner female is between 20 - 21 km/h.
The weather itself plays a important role, warm or even hot weather isn’t affecting much the results in races between 100 - 1500m. Before the heath really starts to play an important role will take about 4 - minutes. After that the body temperature will be so high it will significantly affects the athlete’s ability.
For sprint distances hot weather is in fact preferred.
The second way weather plays a role is
So what is the difference in time at the 1000 m women speed skating between low altitude and high altitude:
World record high altitude: Brittany Bow (USA) 1.11.61 location Salt Lake City, altitude 1300 m
Best time low altitude, also Brittany Bow 1.13.84 Location Heereveen, altitude 0 m
Altitude Eugene 126 m
Altitude La Chaux de Fonds 991 m
Can we estimate the advantage in running a 400 m at different altitudes from this.
Hardly. We can say that in normal weather conditions it should be an advantage.
We have one nice recent statistic in the 100 m hurdles though.
Nadine Visser ran a national record of 12.46 in Hengelo , The Netherlands, in mediocre weather conditions one week prior to her race in La Chaud de Fonds, where she again set a National record. Now in 12.36 sec. Now in fine weather conditions.
1000m altitude in a 400mh race is not that big of an advantage, maybe 0.1 or 0.2. But the conditions was very windy which is a disadvantage for a 400 race
@@CHEETAH69 yes like i said i dont know how much the advantage (less air pressure) and disadvantage (more lactic) is, so it could very well be that she wouldve been slower anyway. but in the last part of the race the difference seemed to be biggest. normally i would say the las part is Femkes strongest part.
Have to admit I was hugely happy to see that performance from Bol. It's way more fun to watch a race where people are actually competing with other racers rather than just the clock. Recently Sydney has simply been racing the clock and no one else. Sure that has it's own kind of impressiveness, but man....seeing these two racing close down to the tape? THAT is what I want to see in the Olympics. Will we? It's hard to say Sydney won't just......step up to another whole different level. The change in race plan is also important. That change may quite possibly get her close to that magic "under 50" race. Slowing down the front end to maintain speed in the final hundred is a hold over from the 400 flat. Interesting to see her making changes in one race based around experience in others. All that being said, Sydney is still the clear favorite. Her latest WR race she did not look gassed like she did after the WR in 2022. If she can figure out the optimal step pattern to go along with her seemingly increased flat speed this year I just can't see this as Bol's year. Barring things like injury, illness, etc... Let's hope we get to see another epic Olympic race like in Tokyo!
Anything can happen. However, Sydney is on a different planet 🌎
From Femke?
How so?
A .3 gap means Sid is no longer "on another planet".
But who's surprised? People who don't follow track, and don't know Femke broke the 400 indoor record a few months ago, or think gravity is different indoors.
@@JappaKneadsSydney knows she will go under 50s
@@aredditor4272 lol, do I follow track and field now? She didn't only win 🥇, but broke the world record.🤣🤣
let's just see waht happens..it's just exciting they are both excelent(i'm Dutch)
The Bol bots are out in force in the comments.
Said the McLaughlin Bot...
Sydney before switching her stride pattern: 52.23. 1st year after switching stride pattern: 51.46. Second year after switching stride pattern 50.68. This year (so far 50.65). Bol before switching stride pattern: 52.03. 1st year after switching stride pattern 51.45. Second year after switching stride pattern (so far) 50.95.
These times show Femke in the ballpark of Syd in just about every part of the race, and I'm impressed with the extent to which she's cleaned up her finish compared to previous races, but I'm still favoring Syd because of how Syd sets up the last 3 hurdles. Syd usually starts faster, but Femke can run the first 7 hurdles faster than Syd, which is why she's ahead at 200 in both of your scenarios, and is even with Syd at 300. But Syd's downshift around hurdle 7 or 8 is just lethal, however she paces her race.
I think it will be a fast race, but I don't expect Syd to get below 50.5. The times you showed for her previous record runs show how you're working with a finite amount of energy, and she''ll be running heats, etc. Bol will run 50.7 or 50.8. The race will look pretty close because even the difference between 50.65 and 50.95 is just a few meters on the track.
@@jkf9167 it will be the form of the day, nothing is predictable, but I will look forward, to see them both compete!
Aah the sounds of the Ice cream truck. You must be in my hometown Brooklyn New York? Femke and Sydney are not that far apart in age about 6 months actually. So they will both be in their prime together for a long while. I can see Sydney breaking her own world record in Paris and winning gold with Femke running a PB but not in the ballpark of Sydney. Who comes in 3rd is Anna Cockrell in my opinion.
One of them will break the 50s barrier ... they will both push each other
@@tracknfieldtingz3606 Within few years both break 50s.
@@QuamfyMarc we'll see
Sydney is 6 months and 17 days older than Femke.
Thanks! For whatever reason I forgot that they are closer in age. Femke has been doing the hurdles for less time than Sydney which confused me!
@TheFinalLeg You're welcome. I know you have to ad lib a bit. I had checked it previously and remembered they were closer in age.
And !
@MrHenkfromHolland Watch the video, and you'll understand
Indeed. But the difference is in the experience. Bol started on the hurdles in 2019, McLaughlin in 2014. So in 2021and 2022 Bol was still a Newby. However, these games in Paris are the first where we will see her as a mature hurdler.
Thank you for your analysis. Or should I say speculations? I read a lot of American reactions about the assumed profit of high altitude, forgetting that the weather conditions and the track surface weren’t optimal and that Sydney raced her world records on her springy, bouncing home track in Eugene. Circumstances are equal in Paris.
Of course Sydney still has kind of an edge, but a surprise wouldn’t surprise me.
After the London Wanda Diamond competition coming weekend we will know more.
I am looking forward to a historic clash and in that case the outcome is perfectly ok with me.
@@hermanmertens8383 Possible bad weather conditions that weekend in London. Probably tell us nothing.
Femke was there in Eugene when Sydney ran 50.68
@@hansolo2121 Stop it. Femke turned Pro in 2019, Sydney turned Pro in 2018. Sydney was a "seasoned legend" because she competed at the Olympic trials at 16 years old. So yes Eugene was a fair competition, Femke had been a pro for 4 years and Sydney for 5 years. Femke running more in the season doesn't make her better. Sydney didnt run any hurdles races last year because she switched to the open 400. And yes, she only managed to get 3 hundreds off her personal best because her PB was the WR!
The thing people are forgetting tho Sydney 2 50s have been run in the us outside of us Sydney last time we're around 51s just like bol im saying that because if you look at times usly outside of us so I actually think will be pretty close
Femke Bol won the 400 meters hurdles at the London meeting on Saturday (London meeting) in 51 sec 30 sea level, 1000m altitude 50:95. We have to come down from the little cloud.
You have to come down from your fear of Bol. 994 meter = 0.2 seconds so realistically that 50.95 was a 51.15. And this 51.30 (as usual with 1.5 seconds or 12 meter or lead on the complete field was just a nice confirmation of form for Bol who was not even winded after the race. In Paris we will see more.
@@rientsdijkstra4266 what scares me is that every time SML comes out it's to beat its record, it's scary. 😥
FYI, at 992m (3,255 ft), 50.95 adjusted is 51.18, a 0.23 sec advantage.
That is the result of an online calculator for the 400m, but the 400mH and the 400m are not the same events.
At altitude, the faster the race, the more benefit you get from the thinner air and the 400mH is a slower event than the 400m.
Also, at altitude there is less oxygen in the air and the 400mH is harder physically than the 400m, so the disadvantage is bigger for the hurdles.
@@_MicZ_ you are correct, it adjusted for flat 400m.
Each time when I see them compete separately, Sydney finishes very exhausted, Femke sometimes I wonder, did she really maxed out on the track?
Everything is possible, it’s all about the form of the day, nothing is written in stone!
What races have you been watching? I can show you plenty of races where Sydney doesnt look exhausted at all. Yall just be saying shit on here lol.
@@playerschooljackson it’s all good, you have your opinion, I have mine, get over it!
@@Mijnvuurtoren Yeah and your opinion is wrong.
@@playerschooljackson you talk as an immigrant american, only Indians are the Real thing !
@@Mijnvuurtoren What? Lol. Couldnt back up your opinion so you went racial lol. Alright then.
Nice analyse. However u did not take into account that Femke has been progressing over different track in different countries. Sarah has only produced these super times on one specific track in the USA.
The fact that Femke is competing is the sole reason why Sarah is doing the 400h. That alone means she is force to recon with.
We will see in Paris how perform.
i think the reason why ppl say Femke is close so if she improves a bit more she might win and Sydney might make a mistake and then Bol is there to take over is because McLaughlin is the favorite, so if she doesnt win gold she kinda lost, while if Femke would take 2nd its kind of as expected, so if Femke would make a mistake (a small one ofcrouse) will still give her silver and she wouldve done what was expected of her. so its not that ppl dont realize that Femke can also make a mistake or improve less than McLaughlin, but then the outcome will be as already expected by most.
Let us really chill out. Like someone said, sea level and wind
altitude of that track = 994 meter, gives about 0.2 of a second advantage. And maybe I should remind you that Bol ran her previous PB of 51.45 in London last year, at sea level in a very windy city?
Femke did not expect 50.95 and so i think she will improve again in Paris. It will be close and the winning time will be around 50.2. I think Femke will win because she has the most progression the last year.
She will win because she has the most progression? That makes no sense. Yes she's progressing fast but I could say so is Sydney. Sydney took close to 2 years off from the hurdles, came back, and in her 4th hurdle race of the year she broke the WR. Thats also a fast progression.
@@playerschooljackson shhhhh---that's too much intelligence for Bol fans--------- Her fans have this weird claim that Femke is progressing faster than Sydney--------But the question they should be asking is, what will Sydney's progression be if she hadn't taken a year off?? Well, as you rightly said, she came back and within a couple of months broke her own world record-------------The other question is, is Sydney still in 50.65 shape or has she gotten better in the past 3weeks? Clearly, she has gotten better------Right about now, she is running 50 low------by the time she gets to Paris, there is no telling how low she will go----I predict a 49.7 low------------------------All I am saying is, Bol is in trouble.🤣🤣
Femke Bol will beat Sydney by half a second. The Americans are under estimating Femke Bol
Sydney McLaughlin is a threat to go sub :50 seconds. Femke Bol will be breathing Sydney’s dust, no competition.
Progression of the difference in PB between them: 2022: 1.59, 2023: 0.8, 2024 (untill now): 0.3.
Femke Bol is Taller, has longer legs, is stronger (powercleans 100kg!) has a phenomenal running form, and is faster over the hurdles. I would not be so certain if I where you.
@@FloorBoontjes-wo1hv
Sydney has the world records!
Old news. She answered that over a year ago and we've long been expecting it.
The times on this event were suspect. Look at the men's 100m for example: the event winner had never under 10sec. Ronnie Baker has not ran under 10 sec all year. This were exaggerated results.🤡
NONE of the runners in the race with Bol ran a PB, and only ONE ran even an SB. And you think that big improvements are "Suspect"? Ok that I have a BIG one for you: mrs McLaughlin improved 2 seconds (!) in the space of one month in june... Is that "suspect" to then?
what's much more suspect is mr. bob "the chemist" kersee,
@@DexterGordon-dr8qdshe didn’t improve in two months capability wise. What she ran in Georgia in June was clearly an easy season opener and to try and compare that to the 100m performance in Switzerland is soooo foolish. Sydney ran an exceptional 200m and 400m ahead of her WR last month. This wasn’t a 2-second PB, it was her actually trying in the US trials final
@@masonponton6166 That is BS, and unproven assumption. And the FACTS say different. If you had even the slightest knowledge of running and performance management, you would know that since the beginning of June Bol (like all athletes) is in the proces of "tapering" and "peaking" toward top-shape for the final of the Olympics on the 8th of August. Bol started with a 53.07 on the 2nd of June and rapidly improved to 52.49 at the EC in Rome on the 11th of june. That is a speed of improvement of .58 in 9 days. Which is comparable to last year when she improved from a season opener of 53.12 to the famous 3d time ever of 51.45 in London in july. So this is a completely NORMAL pattern for Bol. Only difference is that she ran less big races in the meanwhile so that her improvement was not so visible as last year. You are trying CONSTRUCT something here, brother.
@@masonponton6166 Euhm, I know that you Americans and McLaughlin fans have a near religious awe for mrs McLaughlin, but reality is that that 200 meter of 22.07 was very good for a 400 meter runner (who typically have 200m PB's in the high 22,'s or low 23's, such as Dalilah Muhammad: pb 23.35) but in the world of 200 specialists it is not special. 22.07 is about the 285th time on the alltime list, and for instance Gabby Thomas PB is 21.60...). And on the 400 flat Femke Bol is clearly stronger as World Record Holder.
I have a funny feeling that something very dramatic will happen in the Olympic final. A disqualification? A fall at a hurdle?
Can anybody tell me if there would be differences in the projections described in the video if it turns out to be a 'rain race'? Will this only have influence on the times or also on the relative times? Thank you!
Why are you even asking this? No one asks this question unless they know the answer and they’re playing devils advocate. A rain race throws everything out since both of their practiced rhythms will not be available to them. Femke probably won’t have a chance since her gains have been attributed to a newer rhythm.
@Hengel_Andrews I have no idea what you are trying to get at here. Thanks for answering, though. So if I understand you correctly your estimation is that SLM will be relatively more quick than FB on a wet surface. I don't watch much athletics, but for example in F1 a favourite in the dry may not win in the wet. There are a lot more variables in F1, obviously, but you do seem to think there is such an effect in athletics too.
@@ljcdehaan I don’t know F1, but if I heard there was going to be a race in the rain, I’d ask:
Which drive has the higher average lap speeds? Which driver is more aggressive? Which driver has had more races on this track? Lastly, which driver has been with their current team the longest?
Answers. If you’re faster you have more room to slow down- Sydney. If you’re more aggressive you’ll make more potential mistakes- Femke. If you know the track that’s a one less variable- Both. Time with a team builds trusts and more steadfast adherence to race plans- Sydney. 3:1 in favor of Sydney.
@@Hengel_Andrews Bro, this is the biggest heap of circular reasoning I heard in a longtime. But let me tell you this: mrs McLaughlin has set ALL of her fastest times on the perfect track at Hayward Field in Eugene Oregon. (her fastest time on any other track is the 51.46 from Tokio in 2021). This is one of the fastest tracks in the world with its expensive superbouncy Beynon track surface. Bol on the other hand has much more experience on race all kinds of tracks and circumstances. First of all she is from the Netherlands where rain is normal, secondly where McLaughlin runs about 5 or 6 carefully selected races per year, Bol on the other hand WON 36 races in a row in dozens of different stadiums in 2023 and 2024. So if anybody is better suited for dealing with unexpected track conditions it is Bol, and I would be more worried about McLaughlin having a problem with the Paris track.
@@rientsdijkstra4266 you said all of that. Here’s a question how many races has Femke run with her new step rhythm and race plan?
I'm not sure you talked about this or not but there is 11% less oxygen at La Chaux de Fonds so if Femke was running at Sea Level I think she would have broken the world record sub 50.5 seconds that day. My takeaway from the race is that Femke is improving slightly faster than SML. Right now I think both women are equal in potential. During the Paris Games I would say that SML leads the race for the first 200M and than it depends on how badly Femke want to win whether she gets the Silver or the Gold. Psychologically, there is more pressure on SML to win the Gold and she will enter the race with more stress. On the other hand, Femke has nothing to lose. She is going into this with less global pressure because the world is backing SML to win. This will the race to watch.
Yes, there is a bit less oxygen, but for the (shorter) sprints that isn't much of a problem.
More importantly you're not taken into account that the air is thinner at altitude, which makes sprinters usually faster at altitude.
Most of the time the benefits of altitude refers to the 100m and 200m (and jumps), the 400m is less affected and the 400mH even less, but there is definitely a benefit.
This track is at around 993m elevation and anything less than 1000m usually isn't considered "high altitude" for track, but Bol probably still got a 0.1-0.2s benefit from it ...
@@_MicZ_ That makes ZERO sense guy. Any oxygen depletion is going to affect anyone's performance regardless of the distance.
In Paris Syd will run low 50,. Femke sub 51, which is good but not good enough for gold.
Interesting! You dont think Femke can break 51 seconds in Paris? Why not?
@@TheFinalLeg Maybe I should have written sub-51, by which I meant 50.8-50.9 for Femke. This would be still big improvement for her as her new PB 50.95 was set 1000m above see level. While in Paris it'll be 3 runs on the bounce. Rather exhaustive. With Sydney it is different. She seems hungry for running after that pause. On the other hand, thinking she could be breaking 50 seems a bit insane to me but what if? ;)
Agreed that it is now "closer" between SML and FB, but SML is still the favourite and for FB to win gold in Paris would be an upset. That being said, considering the times of all the other top 400m runners so far this year, it seems like a missed opportunity that SML didn't decide to stick with her 2023 plan of focusing on the 400m instead of returning to the 400mH. Speaking as an entitled and disgruntled fan (LOL) she is the generational talent to knock-off Marita Koch's record... unless that's her plan for 2025?
You shouted out PJ but those are Nat's splits😁😁
It will be a great race❤
Absolutely not going to happen. Sydney has never been challenged and she has more in the tank than we have seen. Sydney will have a shocking time at the Olympics and Femke will just wish she could catch her
Progression of the gap between Bol and McLaughlin: 2022: 1.24 seconds, 2023: 0.8 seconds, 2024 untill now: 0.3 seconds. See the pattern...? + Femke was surprised by her own performance = not going full tilt..
This smooth talker still tries to play down Femke's performance because it as he says was set on height (of negligible 0,6 mile !!), on some local track with who knows what quality surface, where Sydney's times have ALL been set on certified springy surface.
Exactly people talking like the 700 meter altitude difference between Switzerland and Eugene means a 52 runner will magically go sub 51, all while ignoring Eugene is known to be a fast track and may not translate to other tracks. Heres a wild thought: lets wait and see what happens in Paris!
@@Magnusficationit’s a prediction, no one knows but nothing is wrong with saying what you THINK will happen
He said she might run 50.6 in Paris, sounds like you want him to say it’s going to be close even if that’s not how he views it. 50.6 isn’t downplaying anything
I can't believe all the Femke fans claiming Sydney can only run fast on one track in Eugene. What a ridiculous and idiotic statement. Now what are you going to say, that only lane 5 in Paris was springy and lane 6 wasn't. The bottom line is Sydney is way faster than Femke, no matter what track they race on.
I mean yea she is definitely a worthy competition but honestly I can't go against Sydney. Femke impressively broke her former PB & Sydney Broke the WR ... Again😅. Seriously all I'm asking for is a good race though 💯
How can being at altitude only affect ONE person positively in a race!? That doesn’t make sense!
Damn near everyone who ran that day ran pbs or seasons beat. It didn’t just affect one person
@@CHEETAH69 Out of the 18 women in the 400mH, only two ran a PB.
Sure, there were quite a few PBs at the meet because it is at 993m altitude and that benefits (short) sprints and jumps.
Seasons bests are irrelevant though, because if you're in the Olympics and you're not near peak form right now, you've got a problem,
But again, in the women's 400mH only 2 out of 18 ran a PB, so the 400mH clearly didn't get the same benefit from the altitude and conditions as other events ...
@@CHEETAH69 Nope. None of the other athletes in Femke's race ran a PB and only one an SB. So that is nonsense.
@@_MicZ_ He's talking about the other events, not just the 400mh. In the men's 100, you had just about everyone set their best by .2-.3 seconds. Unknown guys running 9.8, and 10.3 guys running 10.00
@@CHEETAH69 I see in your rush negate my point you choose to overlook the “in a race” part! That’s fine though! My question still stands!
She's definitely leaving everything to get close to Sydney. You have to applaud that. Ultimately she's giving Sydney that extra motivation to go sub 50. I think it happens in Paris.
Yea Femke is motivated to another degree to be her best. We'll see some amazing times in Paris!
What if... sydney peaked to early at the trailes to qualify and femke is still rising to her peak because qualified a long time ago?
Why is it that when American or "favoured European athletes" produce these ASTONISHING PERFORMANCES, it is never questioned. However, when an African or poorer nation's athlete (Christine Mboma, etc), do the same they are accused of doping or having an elevated testosterone problem (DSD). Have either Sydney or Femke ever been subjected to such humiliation ??
to answer your question: yes. Especially Femke Bol won 36 individual 400m and 40mh races in 2023 and 2024, and the winner always (!) gets tested. So YES they get tested. It is just that untill now no such substances have been found in their blood or urine... And therefore it is not a "humiliation". It only becomes a "humiliation" when illegal substances or heightened levels of hormones are found that are not supposed to be there. Which I, would say, is of the athlete's own doing...
@rientsdijkstra4266 When Christine Mboma was banned, it was because they claimed that her naturally occurring testosterone level was considered TOO HIGH. They were effectively accusing her of being a male athlete despite evidence to the contrary. This has to be a humiliation to an eighteen year old young woman. World Athletics insisted that she be placed on medication to reduce her natural testosterone level, so she would run slower... Do you think they would even think of suggesting such a thing to McLaughlin or Bol ??
Femke Bol is going to lose to Jasmine Jones. I wanna see if you see it too.
professional 🤡
Euhm, do your homework? Jasmine Jones's PB = 52.77 (which is very good for a young talent! But for now nowhere near either Bol or McLaughlin) 😅
P.S. YARO 2.10 37 year old wr put to bed. Hope she's building her brand too!
I believe Sidney will just adjust and run even smarter and faster.
nah man. those 2 runners arent looking at eachother. they only focus on themselves. thats the only thing they have control over.
Bro, it's not hard to tell....Femke's progression is wilder, she is progressing faster, plus she is younger too, plus Sydney had a big gap in her career, for whatever reason. IMO Femke will win the GOLD in Paris....also, Femke is capable of running sub 50.65 which will make her the WR holder...I do respect Sydney and her performance, but Femke is better now, Sydney is the past, Femke is the present and the future and Sydney sensing it, so she plays out all she's got, but that was it, Femke's got more in the tank.
What? Lol. "Big gap in her career, for whatever reason"? That tells me you dont actually watch track. OH and Femke is capable of running sub 50.65 but not Sydney? Femke runs 50.95 all of a sudden she is capable of running sub 50.65, YET Sydney runs 50.65 and she isnt capable of running sub 50.65? Femke got more in the tank but not Sydney? Smh ahaha
@@playerschooljackson Mark my words and watch the Paris Olympics, then, and only then reply to this! Watch Femke Bol winning the 400 m hurdles!
@@Shandy6733 Dont delete this!
@@Shandy6733I'm putting this page aside and will come back after the final.
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@@EaEnkiSumer LIAR!!!
femke did 14 strides per hurdle for only half the race. If she does it the whole race she gets 50.51 or something like that. She's sitting on a career effort.
I want Sydney to go sub 50
To be crystal clear, No.
😂😂😂😂
Seems like your not so sure. Can you clarify🤔😂
50.65s vs 50.95s thats still 30s difference. And the 50.65s running a gruelling triala. Bol 50.95s just one race and at high altitude. Yes l. I agree Sydney is a clear winner. Shes gonna break the 49s.
@@FerdinandTambungui This races was at 994 meter, that is officially not even "altitude" (starts at 1000m) Influence: less than 0.2 sec. You know nothing about a clear winner or the time untill the race is run and the athletes have crossed the line.
Everything you have said is irrelevant Yanks always want to assume they are the best the talking will be done on the track and the best on the day will win.
Its 50/50
Come on, another video to praise Bol. The Bol fan club is out for the umpteenth time. 🤣
I'm putting this page aside and will come back after the final.
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Hello Israilites one more thing,time being healed back bol,ran ,51, something in that ran clock was at,50,95/before she reach the line.
BS
Why are you using commas? 50.95 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Let's be clear. When Sydney broke her record she had run two heats of the 400 hurdles. Running one race and breaking under 51 is far different than running two heats and a final. Syd has barely ran the 400 in competition. This is not a competition. She has never even came close to Syd. I guess you need clicks.
We will see what happens. You might be surprised.
They are both the same age, 24
From where this blackman come ??
he knows there are more Bol fan clubs, so he picks up the views
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@@EaEnkiSumer 🤡
@@EaEnkiSumer Bro this little theory of yours... USA has 330 million inhabitants, The Netherlands: 18 million. Please stop the whining?
Dan VS. Dan syndrome
The age difference between Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone born August 7, 1999, and Femke Bol born February 23, 2000 is a Little over 6 months. So there is no real age advantage for a either athlete! Sydney has shown a capacity to improve at a faster rate than Femke. Remember it took Femke 2 years to improve her PB from the Tokyo olympics while Sydney broke the world record 2 more times. This race will not be closer than 8 meters. Sydney will win the gold metal again!
She still improved more than McLaughlin since Tokyo. And in the last 5 years Bol improved 3 seconds more than McLaughlin
@@francescostano4445 they both made a big improvement when they switched their stride pattern and another big improvement the following year. What happens next? We'll find out. Generally, when you think an athlete cannot fail, you're about to get schooled, but Edwin Moses won a lot of these in a row.
Femke is 6 months younger than Sydney.
Yep, but the difference is that Bol started on the hurdles in 2019, McLaughlin in 2014.
Syd and her team only care about events that profit her Brand and Femke should do the same. T&F is a business and there's not a lot of $ at these meets. UR videos are the Best
Here for the delusional people who think Sydney can run 47.59 in the 400 or 49.50 over the mini hurdles.
Bro 😂
Similar to the delusional people who thought Matthew Boling was going to win the Olympic 400m.
I'm here for those who think she has better chances than Sydney. Based on past performances, of course.
Crazy you don't think 46 in the 400m is possible🤔
47.60 is one of those suspicious world records from the 80s. I can’t see it being beaten anytime soon.
Sydney is set to break her own WR for sure. Femke needs to drop the mixed relay and focus on the 400 m H in Paris. That's the only way she can keep up with Sydney in Paris.
Now that is a sensible advice!
What cause the fall - was it an accident or what. If she has the strength, let she do what is best in her sight.
Exactly
That likely won't happen since the Netherlands has a good shot for mixed relay gold. But its true that she will have more racing in her legs leading into the 400mH!
@@TheFinalLeg Yeah, almost zero chance of Femke dropping either of the relays. Let's hope the coaches find a way to keep her out of the rounds for both though ...
I think they’ll battle it to the wire
Sydney is the best, no doubt. But Femke show up more at meeting, she is not afraid to compete. Sydney acting like a princess, its annoying...
FB is a TOTAL operation lady who cares and value team but EXECUTIVE through it at your face - take it or leave it - SML attitude.
No
Great platform. Queen Sydney has foo much foot speed.
And Femke has the Leg Length.
@@DexterGordon-dr8qd And way less juiced with her high voice. 😂
We have yet to see Femke PB is a championship final. Wonder if that will change in the final.
What? She literally PBed last year
@@kemarsinclair9659 no she didn’t. Reading is fundamental
Oh yes - PB 50.54
Did you forget about the Tokyo Olympics ?
She ran a PB in Tokyo in the Final behind Sydney and Dalilah. But I think in Paris this year she will have no choice but to PB to give Sydney a run for her money.
It won't be close. This was at altitude
Euhm, 994 meters is officially not "altitude" and the influence on a womens 400 m hurdles race will have been about 0.2 seconds
It'll be close. It wasn't at 6,000 feet or anything. It doesn't even count as altitude until it's over 1,000 meters, which it wasn't.
Bol is running great. If both run their best, she'll be a distance behind Sydney, but anything is possible. I would venture to believe Syndey will finish at least 0.5 seconds ahead.
0.3 seconds = 2.4 meters
@@rientsdijkstra4266 yes, and .5 is 4m. In track, those are visibly behind.
@@supirman Yep, that is true. IFF that is the time difference on the line. But what it really says is that McLaughlin is still the favorite but that Femke is now in a position where she has a fighting chance. From this position it is all about the form of the day, circumstances, and simple luck. And there are a number of factors that many people seem to forget, which could lead to unforseen results. Great racing ahead!
@@rientsdijkstra4266 yea, it should be a good one. They both run with such perceived ease, it's amazing to watch.
@@supirman 👍
If anybody try to dispute bolster time just know Oregon ain't no better because most run faster there
Syd 50.35
Bol 50.80
Cockrell 51.99
@@bigdubt2003 Dont think Paris will be that fast.
Syd 50.85
Femke 51.25
3th place 52.35
Those first 2 times seem quite realistic to me, but I don't see Cockrell going sub 52 just yet.
She could get third, but I believe it won't be easy for her to beat Clayton.
@_MicZ_ 52.15 for cockrell? She has been working hard, and I know she wants it
@QuamfyMarc who you got for 3rd?
@@bigdubt2003 Cockrell, Clayton or a surprise act.
How is it delusional to think Sydney can go 49? Daliliah Muhammad has even said that multiple times
She had said herself that she thinks she can. She’s speaking with a lot of confidence now which is nice to see
Wait, who said it was delusional?
This is all because falling muhammed ripple effects years later
The altitude definitely made the difference in her race, so I am confident that Femke is currently a low 51 performer at best. She has the potential to run sub-50, but beating Sydney in Paris is a tall order and unlikely. I don't see it happening, but I am excited about the possibilities, like the men's 400h.
Euhm, 994 meters is officially not "altitude" and the influence on a womens 400 m hurdles race will have been about 0.2 seconds
@@DexterGordon-dr8qd You're playing apples and oranges. Everyone knows that higher altitudes benefit sprinters. I would've been more impressed if Femke had run her 50.95 anywhere below 2,000 meters. However, your assertion proves my point that Miss Bol is a low 51-second performer. Nice try, though.
@@RN-DNP Which apples and organges? I am simply put your statement in context. Furthermore your words show that your thinking is far to rigid. If you knew anything about running or performance management and "peaking" you would know that the athletes are at the moment in the proces of optimizing their physical shape for Paris. That means that they are in a proces of going from 53-ish times to 50.5-ish times, and as you see in both mcLaughlin and Bol and also all other athletes at the moment. Their performance levels are rapidly CHANGING (ever heard of that word?) towards Paris, as you could also have understood from the words of the maker of this video, if you had taken the troube to actually LISTEN. So statements about "person X is a ... athlete" are completely meaningless and they only show your total lack of comprehension. 🤡
Though it was altitude, I heard that the wind was swirling and caused the conditions to be tougher than they were. I do acknowledge that altitude played a part, but I do think Femke has the ability to replicate this 50-second performance in Paris next month
@@TheFinalLeg, I agree. Femke will likely run a sub-51 in Paris and push Sydney to a low 50-second performance.
Femke 🥇
Ok Ok you think Femke is about to take the gold? In what time?
@@_JordanWilliams. A bad weather race and good lane draw could bring victory to Femke..
She finally ran under 51. The question will be can she run under 51 consistently!
Good point! I think she can likely do it in Paris again
Well, it's not like Sydney has been running sub 51 "consistently". She ran it 2 times, 2 years apart.
I think Sydney ran the second sub 51 time a lot smoother and easier than the first one though, so it looks like she'll do it more consistently from here on out ...
As for Femke, we'll just have to wait and see, but 50.95 is very close to low 51, so I don't expect DL in London to be a sub 51 this year.
@@_MicZ_ consistent as in two world records under 51..love to hear what y’all call it, you & ur 6 likes that is! As for femke….she has yet to beat Sydney and will have to go under 51 again (that would be twice btw) to do it.
Bol has not improved yet. ATTITUDE FOOL
Euhm, do your homework, fool: altitude of that track = 994 meter, gives about 0.2 of a second advantage, so even with that this still was a massive improvement, and one of the fastest times EVER.
This will only make Sydney go under 50 seconds which is crazy
Sydney will run 49.50 setting another world 🌎 record in the Olympics
Personally I think they will give her the gold medal at the 7th hurdle, so why should she bother finishing the race?
49.50 seems like a very very far stretch. But would love to see it!
@@TheFinalLeg never say never bro
@@mikecowan-tu6up You just said never twice ...
And Femke run 49,40 I watch out because Femke made her pb 7 x better. Femke the quickest but just0,03 sec in 2 years .no Sydney is nervous now..
You said it’s best not even close, close serser 😭😭Yah gotta understand she was close to 4k elivation, femke will have 4x4 mixed relay rounds and before her 400 hurdle rounds you think she was beating a fresh syd? Nahhh man.,
3300 is not "close to 4k elevation", it's 700ft less ...
994 meter elevation (altitude) = 0.2 seconds on the womens 400 hurdles
@@_MicZ_ closer to 4 than 0 or 1 or 2.
@@MrHurdleking24 closer to 3 than 4, 0, 1 or 2 🙂
@@PacoJastorius-gx1fb There are no proven formulas to calculate the influence of 993m altitude on the women's 400mH, just estimations. Most of the calculators you can find for altitude are optimized for the 100m and 200m as those distances benefit the most from altitude, only a few ones try to predict 400m (for men) and I have found none that also take hurdles into account (hurdles = slower race, so less altitude benefits).
I Love Femke Bol. But the concern is at the Olympics. Can she run 3rds and still PR in the finals. Sydney has already proven that she can; and that's without much of any competition down the home stretch. Then there's the pure foot speed advantage Sydney has over Bol.
In my opinion, if they're both at full strength, Sydney will always win. Bol can still be close but not close enough to actually beat her. Unless Sydney is physically compromised. In the end, I can see Femke breaking the WR and still losing the race, similar to Rai Benjamin did when losing to Warholm
Sydney never looks tired - compare body languages after races and I conclude, SML will utilized FB strength and determine FB will fight back with a PERSONAL BEST - 50.58 Will this get the GOLD? I will love it for her - the team spirit she displayed beating my team Jamaica in 4X400M was awesome - it was SPECIAL and we cannot TAKE it away from FBOL.
Bro in Glasgow at the World Indoors she ran heats, semi's and then a World Record in the final.
To be fair, Femke PBd in the Tokyo Olympic Final after the rounds, and she ran extremely fast after rounds. I think rounds are less of an issue, its more if she can hold on and improve on this PB behind Sydney, which I think she will
@@DexterGordon-dr8qd Yes, but indoor is completely different than outdoor. Plus Sydney was not in the race. A person whom she's never beaten head to head. And the 400 hurdles is a completely different monster in the finals at the Olympics. We're talking about Sydney McLaughlin, breaking the world record four times already all by herself in majority of the home stretch. Bol can run 50.6 and still lose by half a second in the finals. That's how insanely good Sydney is.
@@facereality0007 Why are you Americans so anxious to deny that the 400 indoor is relevant? Because a none American is dominating there? REALITY is that they are the same disciplines: "run 400 meter as fast as you can...", but with some differences, such as more and steeper and banked corners etc. But those differences are not so big that you can not compensate for them. And actually the IAAF provides a mechanism for such conversion: the Result Scores. Furthermore there is no reason that if someone can do that indoor she can not do that outdoor. There is really no indication for such a conclusion.
At 7000 elevation. Everyone dismisses this.
No, it was at 3258 ft (993m) elevation.
The time is recognized by all official organizations without any asterisks.
Do your homework bro. Found that track on google in 30 seconds. Altitude 994 meter.
Femke pushing third to eighth because Syd is in her own race lol
?? Please explain?
That was a fake time. Many people set PBs on that track every year.
Among the 16 people who ran the 400mh only 2 ran a pb(one of them was Bol)
Many people set PBs at Hayward Field every year, that doesn't make those times "fake".
Sure, this track is known for athletes setting a PB there, but the times are perfectly valid and recognized by WA as such ...
The altitude of 994 meter gives about 0.2 (or less) advantage. So even with that it still was a blisteringly fast time. Furthermore, all of mrs McLaughlins fastest times are set on the superfast track at Hayward Field...
@@rientsdijkstra4266 You obviously have no idea how many current world records in track were earned at Hayward field. Not a excessive amouht. Look it up.
There were no rounds ,did you notice that. Just saying .
That's exactly what I said...Femke didn't have rounds her, Sydney ran her 50-second race after rounds. Might have missed that part of the video. Thanks for watching!
There's a new sheriff in town. Her name is Jasmine Jones. Femke Bol is about to get the surprise of her life.
Euhm, her PB is 52.77, nearly 2 seconds slower than Femke, and Slower than Rushell and Cockrell (who are also far behind Femke). The difference between Bol and McLaughlin is many times smaller then the difference between anybody else and Bol (closest to Bol: Rushell with a PB that is 1.56 slower)
@@DexterGordon-dr8qd I see you really don't know what to look for.
@@christopherwoodard779 O? I Looked your ms Jones up on World Athletic. But if that is not the right information, please give me some pointers, so that I can find better information?
Curious what you think Jasmine Jones will run in Paris? I think she has massive talent and upside, but for now, I think Anna Cockrell and Rushell Clayton are the main contenders for the medals.
@TheFinalLeg You got all you going to get out of Cockrell. She has no more upside. As far as time i'm not going to say. Jasmine jones has the same running style as Femke Bol. The only difference is Jasmine Jones has a way better start.
Your improvement argument is flawed! Plus we have seen one athlete make improvements and others don’t all the time!
This race going insane...
Last night in my dreams femke will drops in hurdles & she lost in race with 6th position in finels...& she drops this time femke was 2nd position behind sydney...
I’m glad dreams don’t come true😊
Nope
Bol is not a threat to Syd and never will be, in the next two years stronger athletes will arrive and we will see her disappear. I understand the desire to put on a good challenge, but it won't be like that and if Bol pushes too hard she will also come out of the medals discussion. let's stop praising an athlete who is nothing more than a good second or third choice
Yep, you are right. We will see McLaughlin disappear. After she is overtaken by Bol. Bol is only 0.3 behind McLaughlin, the next competitor is 1.56 seconds behind Bol. 🤡