“Time to play” is very clearly what Jackie says when she pops out of the box. You can literally hear the music box and the sound of her popping out before she says it.
I am a very heavy believer of Jackie = Puppet Prototype/Precursor. In the same vein of Fredbear = Freddy. The puppet is a recreation/rebranding of Jackie. The puppet still has jack in the box adjacent programing and implications.
Inb4 the big reveal is that the Mimic *is* the Puppet, and without Charlotte'a soul in it it turns evil due to agony, also explaining all the nightmarionne plushies
I can't remember exactly why now, but I know some theorists have thought that puppet may have been there back in the fredbears family diner, so you might be right on the money
Theory: Jackie and the Mimic are separate animatronics, Jackie sometime gets scrapped and the Mimic takes the worn down costume or the Mimic just attacks Jackie and takes the costume. If you look at both versions you can see the face looks the same except that Jackie's face is more stretched and doesn't fit the shape of the Mimic.
@@SnaxxHaxTV Yeah, the trailer “Jackie” is lacking a lot of her stuff in her actual model. The Mimic also doesn’t have those extending arms so I think it corrupts Jackie with the warped personality thing like it does to the Glamrocks then uses her scraps later in the game. If game Edwin is Henry and game David is Charlie, it also could explain why the devs chose to play the puppet’s music box while having the Mimic pop out of Jackie’s box wearing a scrapped version of her face. It’s trying to mimic the puppet the same way book Mimic placed itself into the tiger animatronic
Looking at the secret of the mimic trailer, it looks like its the Mimic wearing the skin of Jackie. The eyes look deeply recessed and different sized compared to the Jackie seen at PAX
I was about to say this! I have something a little extra to add. Like Gonk said, the eye's are extremely different to what Jackie has, and maybe it's just me- but isn't the fact that both the Party Hat and Hair are gone from the suit showing that something isn't right about it? What if it means we can only see the front portion of the mask, because that's the only thing of the Full Head piece left? _What if someone else is wearing the remains?_
Its also possible that Jackies eyes arent proper "eyes" more lenses in front of the acual eyes to not be as creepy and over the course of the game Jackie is gonna loose more and more of her bodey revealing the Mimic Endo Skeleton underneath
I don't know why but I feel like Jackie could be her own character seprate from the mimic. Then somewhere down the line, the Jackie animatronic is broken or gutted, and the Mimic squeezes itself into Jackie's hollow body (especially if it's a springlock suit of somesort) and uses that empty animatronic as a disguise of sorts during Fall Fest, maybe hiding out in Jackie's box before Fall Fest begins, which would be why we see it as it is in the trailer: slightly broken and having the mimics eyes (as if Jackie's eyes were taken out or broken) Not sure, just throwing ideas out there. Any thoughts?
This is exactly what I’m thinking! I feel like this game is gonna have that one dark deception-like gimmick where the suits we see around the map may be taken over by the mimic randomly.
ok i think jackie will be swapped with the mimic, i think we will have to determine when that switch happens, the design in the teaser and the design of the model at pax are far to different for me to think otherwise
Things I think. 1. I fully believe that this game will finally and officially confirm whether or not the tales from the pizzaplex books are canon to the games. 2. I think theirs a 50/50% possibility that we will see who created the MXES System. 3. If we see fall fest 1970 I think the mimic is the one who’s gonna be responsible for the fire. 4. Theirs a slim chance we may play as either William or Henry during secret of the mimic. 5. SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN’T READ TALES FROM THE PIZZAPLEX. In the tales books it’s said that fazbear entertainment once had an entire line of mimic endoskeletons but they were all decommissioned for mimicking human behavior in ways they weren’t suppose to, I don’t think Jackie will be the only variant of the mimic we’ll see, their might be multiple mimics as different characters we may encounter. 6. We might see fredbear’s family diner or fredbear’s singing show as an Easter egg. 7. I think that the Puppet/Marionette, Fredbear, Springbonnie, Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, Balloon Boy, Baby, Mangle, Mr Hippo, Orville Elephant, Happy Frog, Neddbear, Pigpatch, Mystic Hippo, Sun/Moon were all the characters who originated from fallfest 1970 and possibly others.
@WinterPains if the creator's name is given and it is not Edwin Murry then tales are not cannon. If Edwin is the creator then it is strong evidence that tales would be but does not confirm it as this could be another silver eyes situation. Well that and the issues with conflicting information between the two storylines. Scott's comments about the story of Security Breach not being the story he wanted to tell throws that game to a potentially secondary source status. If they do not tell us the name of the creator (most likely scenario) then the debate continues on.
@@WinterPains I honestly do not know what he said for that. I personally go with unless proven otherwise that tales are a separate timeline with parrellels and shared general laws of reality.
Ruin Mimic looked cobbled together in the first place. As a learning AI I wouldn't be surprised if it learned how build/repair animatronics from watching its creator and cobbled together/stole legs from another animatronic.
Jumpscared by a photo I took at 16:20 lol I'm hesitant to say for sure if Secret of the Mimic will definitely prove or disprove TalesGames, but yeah, from what I saw I do lean towards Rye's side of the debate. Assuming TalesGames to be true, even though Edwin does have a factory where he worked on stuff and his company was owned by Fazbear Entertainment, the Mimic definitely wasn't Jackie during its time there. If Jackie's the Mimic, that implies that either Edwin put the Mimic in the Jack in the Box animatronic after he tried to destroy it, or some secret person pre-Team A or post-Team B would have had to do it, which seems like a stretch in my eyes. Either way, great video! It'll be interesting to see where the story ends up going
@@RyeToast Yep lol. I think I was one of the earlier ones to post a photo that got most of her and it popped off on Twitter, so it's really funny seeing it just around lol But yeah, just from what we see, I think the only way this could be TalesGames is if this is post-retrieval in a different factory where they removed the Mimic's legs, installed it as Jackie, and Jackie eventually rips herself out of her box and gets legs again, which I feel is a bit needlessly convoluted. But it is FNAF, so who knows XD
17:44 OR, hear me out, the mimic just transferred into a new body. We already know the mimic is capable of possessing an ENTIRE pizzaplex. why is it so outlandish that the mimic while in jackie, who knows that no legs = bad time, just transferred into a different machine?
10:47 Jackie really reminds me of Ennard. her party hat, split face, creepy smile, bright red nose, and lady bug button on her bow are almost exactly like Ennard’s design. she’s clearly the first model of Ennard, but what implications does this have on the lore? will there be beta/prototype versions of the funtime animatronics in this new game?
I personally prefer if the Tales books stay in their own adjacent continuity, like the Frights books do. I’ve always just assumed that Scott intended for things in the books to parallel things in the games. Not be 1 to 1. Similar to his usage of the Silver Eyes trilogy. My personal theory about the FNaF games(Steel Wool era) timeline is that Edwin doesn’t exist, and is just a parallel to Henry Emily and Edwin’s son, David, is a parallel to Charlie. Game Henry is implied to be an engineering genius, doesn’t seem to have a wife (anymore) and has a kid who died in a car related incident while Henry was too busy working on his career. I also think that the mimic was initially written as a parallel to how Henry made the Puppet to watch over Charlie, but Scott liked the evil AI idea and made it a part of the main continuity of the games. Henry and Edwin also disappear from their respective timelines after the death of their kids and pop back up in an attempt to fix the problems they feel responsible for allowing to take place. Afton & the Mimic ai, respectively. Wether or not I’m right about Edwin being a Tales stand in for Henry, I really hope that ‘The Secret of the Mimic’ name drops one or both of them and gives us some actual details on the early parts of the story. I know Scott is so secretive about giving actual details that he let SB be made with nothing but bullet point notes for objects, but after stating he learned his lesson and HW2 giving us way more specific details, I think we might get a properly lore heavy entry into the series this time. I believe this game will take place right around the time Afton kills Charlie. Henry will already have made the mimic to distract Charlie, and the game will take place in Henry’s warehouse/factory that Fazbear Entertainment gave him to create animatronics and costumes for Freadbears’ Diner, Fallfest, the future Freddy’s Restaurants and possibly more establishments. The significance of Charlie’s death happening right before the game or even during is that Charlie’s possession of the puppet plays a narrative foil to the mimic’s infecting of the animatronics. Assumedly the Mimic was made to distract Charlie at home or the warehouse while Henry worked, while the Puppet was made to keep Charlie from leaving Freadbear’s while Henry was working at a diner or at the warehouse. Both made to keep Charlie busy, but one failed and became her vessel while the other was attacked by Henry and infused with his Agony of Charlie’s death. Both the Mimic and Puppet would be created by Henry and thrusted into major roles as a result of Charlie’s death. Charlie then “helped” the MCI victims by having them posses Henry’s animatronics, while the Mimic “possessed” the animatronics with its corrupted AI. The Puppet seeks to save kids and get in Afton’s way while the Mimic harms others and later tries to become like Afton (Glitchtrap/Burntrap is the mimic theory) Both the Mimic and Puppet are such narrative foils that it only makes sense that Charlie is the games equivalent to David. The trailer even has the Puppet’s music box play during it. I seriously doubt that was just to mess with fans or because it’s now an iconic song for the series. I think it is specifically telling us the Puppet, and Charlie, are going to play major roles in this game’s lore. Extra details/thoughts that might or might not be related to the game, I just wanna throw them out: -If Edwin is going to be made canon to the games, I think him and Henry are going to be working hand in hand at the factory and relate to each other over the passing of their children and other things. I really doubt Edwin exists in the game’s lore, but if he does he’d have to work directly with Henry for the timeline to make sense. I just truly don’t think the Tales books are 1 to 1 canon to the games. -While the SE trilogy says Henry’s wife left, I think all of the adjacent continuities are just places for Scott to test ideas, and game Henry’s wife died during child birth, like Edwin’s wife. I just think that grief makes far more sense as to why Henry would have left it to his creations to watch his kid. If he was just divorced, his wife would have 100% tried to take full custody if she learned he wasn’t watching their daughter. -The “secret” minigames kinda imply Afton was hands on with the murder of Charlie, but with how she was just laying in the alley, I think it’s possible Afton drunkenly ran her over, probably on purpose, then just tossed her in the alley to make it seem like a hit and run. Prevents Henry and the police from having real proof that it was an intended murder, especially committed by Afton, and would be a good reason as to why Scott chose to specify David was killed by a car. -I kinda like Matpat’s timeline so I’m still working with the idea that Afton came up with the characters, but Henry was such a genius engineer the people Afton sold his ideas to recruited Henry to make their animatronics. It’s even possible that Fazbear Entertainment was (and will be in this game) called something else. The Freddy’s gang’s popularity might have led to a total rebranding for the larger business that already worked with Henry, before Afton came and sold them his ideas. Maybe Henry being the one given all the glory for the success of these ideas is why Afton seems to hate him so much, and was gloating so much about his own engineering genius in Sister Location. Henry being overworked by the company was seen as Henry stealing credit to Afton. Also explains why the higher ups gave this guy a whole warehouse. (Saying this because of the new game and Edwin having a whole warehouse in Tales) They saw just how much they could exploit Henry’s grief, genius and work ethic to propel their company upwards. -If David truly was just a stand in for Charlie, I think that the Pupppet/Nightmarionne is the stand in for the Tiger plush and animatronic head. Charlie might have had a sock puppet toy she played with, that Henry used as the concept for the security puppet. It makes sense that if he wanted her to stay put in the pizzeria, he’d design the thing meant to stop her from leaving after her favorite toy. It also could be why we see so much Nightmarionne imagery in SB despite it not being canon till Help Wanted. The Mimic might have saw that Fazbear Entertainment made their own corrupted version of the Puppet and jumped at the opportunity to make that the symbol of its control over the pizzaplex. The Mimic would have already known about Charlie’s love for the Puppet, but because either Henry beat it for holding her toy puppet, or Charlie’s possession of the real puppet keeping it out, the Mimic decided to use the warped version of the puppet as its Story Teller persona. Also just further ties their fun house mirrored nature together. Charlie Puppet watches over the pizzerias and injects animatronics with kid souls to make them act different. Nightmarionne infects animatronics with the corrupted Mimic AI to make them act different. The Mimic/Story Teller is literally an evil and warped version of the puppet I’ll update if I can think of anymore details for my Theory/Headcanon. Thanks for reading, if you did! Have a good day everyone, and I hope we all have a blast when the next game drops!
So hear me out. In the game, you'll eventually do something that damages, or destroys Jackie. And then the Mimic takes her mask and starts mimicking her... which is why what we see curiously popping out of the music box doesn't line up with the Jackie at PAX
It’s very interesting that Steel Wool have been so secretive about this game that really tells me that this game is going to be absolutely something crazy for the series
I had a thought related to the whole mimic legs thing. What if the legs are an accident? What if Jackie ripping the box off happened, and then information was lost over time, and they added legs to a character that wasn't originally designed to have them?
A third option for why Jackie has no legs: Fazbear has just captured the Mimic who has killed at least 5 people from two teams. We know a responsible company would destroy the monster, but we also know Fazbear is not responsible. It sees dollar signs. However, it’s going to be very difficult to study and copy the Mimic technology if it’s running around killing people. Take off the legs (which were just from an existing Endo, so not really interesting from a technical standpoint). The upper torso that Edwin built, and the Mimic1 program are the real prizes. Returning the Mimic to a legless form, and even tethering it to a box that someone has to let them out of, would be a way to restrict its movement. Edwin goes missing for a long time after creating the Mimic. If the original Freddy gang that end up part of the MCI were built by Edwin, they would have been built several years before the restaurant opened, and never updated. Henry likely took over after Edwin left. If the ‘wound first inflicted on me’ ends up predating Charlie’s death, maybe Henry and William parted ways before Edwin was hired, and William had to beg Henry to come back when the new genius animatronic builder went MIA. The demo seems to point to the setting being Edwin’s factory, but after Fazbear took control of it because Edwin was nowhere to be found. With Edwin, it was mostly abandoned warehouse with a little living area, and some costume racks and workbenches, but here it seems to have a whole manager’s office. [speaking of which, the manager bot seems to be another leg less animatronic, just a torso with a desk, buttons, paper shredder, etc. Fazbear might have duplicated the Mimic already to create robots for various tasks that can learn from people (and then replace them). Just like the Pizzaplex, Fazbear would love to use AI to replace its workers with ones that don’t require time off, medical, etc. So it’s possible for Edwin, Henry and William to all coexist in the timeline, with Edwin sort of being a temporary replacement for Henry, and then returning post FNAF6 after both founders are gone. Edwin is sort of the Jeremy Fitzgerald in that regard. Cassie’s Dad and Edwin are able to fill roles similar to Mike and Henry, but are able to appear in different parts of the timeline. Edwin can act a bit like Henry (and William) from Silver Eyes. Jeremy can be a bit like Movie Mike with the single dad thing. A have your cake and eat it to situation. Like having Supergirl and Power Girl coexist in the same continuity. Sure, they were basically the same character at some point, but doesn’t make it impossible for them to occupy the same continuity.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the Mimic's arms look like they're capable of telescoping/extending, which would let them fit Jackie's long arms.
henry could have made the costumes and edwin provided the technology since fazbear entertainment bought edwin's company on 1977 before that, afton and henry only used costumes for fallfest on 1970 but when fredbear's opened on january 1th, 1979, they make the springlock suits with edwin's endoskeleton technology on march 1979, the mimic story happens where after the story, henry came into the factory and finished edwin's work, since it was henry which send the costumes ("prisions of my making") the rest of the story takes place on 1980, but edwin's part is on march 1979 so most likely secret of the mimic is a direct sequel to the og story
Every rendition of Henry across games and books shows very clearly that he was the one to make the endos, it makes absolutely no sense for it to change now to fit a character that adds nothing new to the story that Henry couldn't have done. The Pizzaplex books themselves alludes to this fact too, you have Edwin, the guy who's making Chica and the little vacuum cleaner robots - which were all made by Henry in the games - and who left his child to be taken care of by one of his creations which lead to the kid's death, much like Charlie and the Puppet and then you even have Mr. Burrows as the CEO which is just a reference to William. They even die in the same place like Henry and William did. There's no narrative advantage to having Edwin as part of the games, SB and Ruin heavily teases that the Puppet or some version of her is still around and SotM not only bring in another Jack in the Box but uses the same music that is used for the Puppet, the game is much more likely to introduce something tying the Mimic back to Charlie and Henry than to bring in a new set of characters identical to them
@@takeo_624 do you use your head FAZBEAR ENTERTAINMENT CO FOUNDERS ARE AFTON AND HENRY, THERES NO PARALLELS BS they aren't parallels, hell, henry could have created the COSTUMES and finished edwin's works can matpat and fuhnnaf abandon this bs
I would rather just separate those two characters and have their tragic backstory that is slightly noticeable thing losing someone you love but different
Hey, i just wanted to say sense that "the design is subject to change" i like the design he had when you described toast as a little gremlin the one with im standing while laughing insanity to be specific 😂
To me at least, I could see a third option, in that SOTM could confirm or deny that literary parallels can co-exist, and introduce Edwin creating the Mimic while Henry created the Fazbear Four. Edwin is basically another star engineer to Fazbear Entertainment, while Henry was the co-founder of the franchise. I could see Henry bringing Edwin in as he spots a fellow passionate engineer who could turn their costumes into animatronics, this could also mean certain book characters can be changed or adapted to be more in the games timeline or have versions of themselves placed into the games timeline that don’t drag the entire books continuity with them
I think Frights and Tales are both in game books as the fact it's said they are based in the world of the games implies not everything is 1 to 1 because the stories based off of real game events. Think of it this way, Fazbear Entertainment was using Fazbear Frights in FNAF 3 to benefit off of the franchises dark past, made a developer make indie games and made a VR game to cover up/make fun of the dark past and have an entire Pizzaplex full of nods to the previous games and books. That's just me though and I personally feel that this is telling us the story of what the Epilogues were based off of and also to provide unknown/covered up info Fazbear Entertainment didn't want to use/make known.
I've got couple of ideas based off some past interpretation and people saying that the factory in this game is a toy factory and that Fazbear Entertainment was originally a toy company I think the sister location bunker is actually the basement of this factory Henry isn't a robotics guy he's a toy maker and came up with the designs of the characters
@@chet_irlyeah wha looks like a face plate styled mask was the first thing I notified when they revealed her. She would be built around the time the funtimes were made or she was cause for the theme behind the funtime animatronics. We will find out soon tho cause I doubt the scooper would be in this toy factory that the new game is based in.
Thank you for explaining what talesgames is! i’m pretty chronically offline and barely on twitter, so if i hadn’t been looking at it during pax west, i wouldn’t have understood what was being talked about in this video, so i really appreciate it!!
Re: Edwin/Henry - it's possible that Edwin works for Henry, that this place we're seeing is Henry & Afton's company's warehouse/HQ/showroom and that Edwin works there. That way Henry AND Edwin can be responsible. Re: OG4 - Freddy/Chica/Bonnie/Foxy might be around by this point. Chica and Bonnie at least should pre-date this game as Bonnie's on the Fredbear's posters and Chica was the character Edwin was working on. We also know that all four were in use by the brand, and Bonnie has his blue colouring, while Fredbear's was still operational from FNAF 4 (that's four years away from this game I know, but still, development time, and so on). We also have that coming soon poster that shows the group, and the prototype artwork, so it's possible - likley even - that thier suits or animatronics would be in development. Re: suits in the demo - from what i've read in other accounts like a large non-anthro dog (think Barkley from Sesame Street), two clowns, a crocodile/alligator and a pig. I'm not sure but Dawko might also have seen the other two Ruin suits (the lion and the peguin). I've also seen reports that a Help Wanted 2 style title screen as well, featuring a cameo from Sun/Moon/Eclipse as a mural and the frogs and hippo from the poster as, I think, full 3D models.
Maybe off-topic or not, depending on how things go with the game One thing that been bugging me to no end is going from the release of silver eyes novel to sister location game is that Henry being a robotics guy and William just there as a business partner in silver eyes to sister location and finding out second into the game that not only is William also a robotics guy but also owns a robotics company It feels redundant to have both be robotics guys
My theory that has probably been said before is that Edwin is a standin for Henry. Henry made the mimic to streamline animatronic production, and Edwin’s son in the story is actually Charlotte. Edwin’s son getting hit by a car is the standin for William murdering Charlotte and Henry destroyed the mimic. I think that’s why Jackie is shown with the puppet music box theme. Maybe the mimic has been the puppet all along?
The mimic was mad for Edwin’s son and the mimic not only learned how to mimic people but it learned to mimic those emotions and I wouldn’t be surprised if it learned to build and repair itself over the years either which would explain the mimic having legs in security breach ruin
I wonder if the Mimic will periodically hide in other animatronics. A sort of "yeah you beat the Beaver (who was secretly William Afton's cousin by the way), but the real threat lives"
This dilemma is the reason why I tend to think Help Wanted was actually a reboot and not just a way to explain inconsistencies. The fact that most mentions of the original games story is presented in a meta narrative through HW and Tales introduced massive elements in the early time but didn't even acknowledge the two biggest characters of that time frame says to me that the possibility of HW+SB+Tales actually making a retelling of the original FNAF story instead of just being a continuation is far larger than what we give it credit
15:00 Fall-Fest Era: I think more simply, Edwin was the creator of the initial character designs during the "Fall-Fest-era" of FNAF. Edwin literally created the initial character designs/identities, during a time when the characters existed as costumes that circus employees had to wear. SotM Plot Idea: I think the plot of Secret of the Mimic is that, in an effort to reduce employee burden, a new idea for a semi-autonomous costume was created, giving rise to the Mimic "Jack-in-the-Box" (using 1979 technology, therefore not as "modern" of a mimic version as what Henry later created). I think the plot of SotM will be some tragedy/horror due to the mimic, in which Edwin either dies or is fired, and the idea of a semi-autonomous Character-Costume is scrapped. FNAF Company Start: Later on in the FNAF timeline, when Henry takes over engineering, he revisits this scrapped idea for a semi-autonomous costume, and thus creates the Animatronics, thereby giving rise to the "prison of his own making".
Hey rye toast, now that I think about it you know how in fnaf 3 it takes place at some sort of park. What if fazbears fright was part of fall fest and this year they decided to find something new spring Bonnie/speing trap think about it, isn’t fall fest theorized right now to bring in obscure characters? So spring Bonnie I think would definitely fit the bill in that
At the beggining of Fetch, they note along the prize wall where they find fetch, theres an octupus toy. Maybe related to the hippie octopus you mentioned. Edit: i just thought of another thing, pretty against book theory though.. Count the Ways has a girl stuck inside on funtime freddy, so how could he be there but also in molten freddy? He can't. So one of them didnt happen. And i would like to hope the short story is the set dressing and the in-game creature is the cannon
19:28 ...That's literally Henry Emily from the official Character Encyclopedia, the same clothes, the same hair style, the same colors. William Afton on the other hand looks more like a human than caricature in the whole book trilogy.
well the Collab intro caught me off guard. I would like to beg the question on if the Box given it's attached to jackie, wouldn't it be considered her lower half as the box is actually a part of her? (and this is going in with the specific of it Being Jackie before questioning that if Jackie is the Mimic, what this means for talesgames.) going by the summary I personally will have to say yes as the Box is a Part of Jackie. and going by the summary Jackie has to rip herself out of it at the door caught off by a wall of Costumes, which means she would have had to lug that box around that (unless the summaries left out a loud crashing sound of assumingly the costumes being toppled over). just seems like such an inconvenience that if not attached, would have been gotten rid off as soon as possible, a cumbersome hinderance that's attached and is a part of her. and if Jackie was made with the box and is indeed the mimic, wouldn't that mean an already big departure from the story where it had no lower half? why was the box excluded from the story? how was it able to put on costumes while attached to the box? still though one should still beg the question, does the box count as a lower body if it is attached to the animatronic?
14:55 3 things - 1. The Mimic story takes place in the mid 1970's 2. Edwin could literally be making more versions of the OG gang 3. In the Tales timeline, FNaF 6 happens meaning in Tales, Edwin and Henry are different people (But they still parallel each other)
I think from a writing perspective, edwin is probably a stand in for henry. Fnaf has a long history of using new characters to give us the stories of others and it seems weird to add another animatronic builder when there's still details missing about william and henry
@@AngelTheory-M That's a good point. Now that I think about it, the split face plate on the Jackie animatronic contributes to this as well, since all the animatronics with split face plates that we see are built by William
while i think talesgames has its credibility as a theory as of now, i have to agree- and we know very little about game henry as well. it's just really weird to establish this character as a robotic engineering genius and the creator of the animatronics since >>2015
Fnaf has never had a history of doing that though?? Parallel'ers just made that up. Edwin does not correlate to Henry at all, he also litterally coexists WITH Henry in Tales. Edwins just some engineer whos little company got bought out, it would be insane for Henry to singlehandedly build every single Freddys Robot AND Run the business all by himself, of course he had employees who also built robots.
@@Skibbutz william was the businessman, not henry. he was the one who handled finances and management while henry worked on the animatronics, so it is perfectly possible for him to create the springlock suits and the other four all by himself, as he's done in the novels. didn't edwin make 18 or so animatronics alone? why can't henry?
@@boollye William was not the businessman in the games version. He was like that in the Novels because in that timeline, Fazbear Entertainment did not exist and everything was singlehandedly operated by Henry and William. But in the game timeline, Fazbear Entertainment does exist which frees up William to have a more creative role in the company, as shown with CBPW opening super early in the timeline as opposed to the Novels where its the final location to ever open. In the Games Fazbear Entertainment is a massive corporation which ran dozens of simulations locations at its peak. In "The Mimic" Edwin was bought out specifically because of this, they needed enginners to put together all the hundreds of robots that were needed. Its simply infeasible to suggest that Henry just singlehandedly made every Freddys robot and costume to ever exist. In SOTM the game seemingly takes place in an animatronic Factory, further showing that Henry was not FazEnts only mechanic on payroll.
Absolutely crazy idea... BOTH Henry and Edwin made the core four members, just in different ways. What if "prisons of my making" doesn't mean Henry created the animatronics, but simply made the characters. Kinda like someone making blueprints another person finishes, or commissioning another artist to draw your OC. So, while Henry and William handle the more business side of the company, they hire people like Edwin to actually build the animatronics. Which in turn results in the Mimic's creation, and eventually it used as a base for characters like Jackie once Edwin goes MIA. Not to mention... the Mimic weirdly loved a jester suit in the books. And what are clowns, like Jackie, but another form of jester (at least in FNAF). Overly wordy nonsense aside, this game is going to be the embodiment of opening Pandora's Box.
I was thinking Jackie could be The Mimic and got legs later because you notice how The Mimic’s legs don’t match each other and it would also explain why the mimic would know to wear a mascot costume.
6:49 The voice line "I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream" Reminds me of the song "Ice cream" by TOMORROW X TOGETHER. I have absolutely no idea though if there is a connection
Love the video! I love vids like these, I'm excited to see how accurate you are! However, for the book part, Tales is already deconfirmed. Some appear to have canon parts/books, but many are very explicitly not canon. For starters Scott himself had little to do with making them compared to other books and games. Secondly many have direct contradictions to the games (Bobbiedots has a MAJOR contradiction that in no way can make it canon without meaning decanonising the game). Many of the non Tales books advertised as being made to solve lore has iconically been written by people who barely even know FNAF and got many basic facts wrong, and some books even contradict each other. SOME of the Tales seems to be however (such as GGY and a couple others), which relate to parts of the games WITHOUT contradicting them. Scott himself confirmed he had a huge role in making VIP, so I would also trust that book more than the rest (especially given it has no contradictions to the game)
Also going with your theory where this will be like trial of the animatronics to see whats popular, going back to things like the happiest day minigames there are characters in the background with odd masks that isnt from the original gang but too early to be in time of pizzeria simulator so they could have gotten masks of these characters from this event that the game will take place in
As someone who was able to play the PAX demo, I want to mention the sheer scale of the Jackie we saw in-game. It's far bigger than the already large version in the PAX booth photos, meeting you at eye level despite missing the entire bottom half. In the chase, she reaches down entire hallways to try and grab you as you weave left and right to dodge. This scale (much larger than the mimic we know), combined with the eyes it has (in-game had same eyes as PAX booth model) make be think that this Jackie is not the mimic. The model in the trailer has some key differences (hat, hair...) and I think that one's the mimic. Overall though, I ain't much of a theorist, so take this more so as food for thought. Very excited for this game, the chase was amazing!
14:54 There's no problem here. Henry Emily created only animatronics of the original Freddy Fazbear's Pizza of 1983-1985, just like Mediocre Melodies and Lefty, all characteristic by metal rods in their mouths. He also created springlock suits. By the time of FNAF2 FazEnt got so big Henry resorted to CEO role only leaving making animatronics to other people. Somebody else created toy animatronics for FNAF2. And so somebody else created FNAF1 animatronics who we know now is Edwin Murray. FNAF1 animatronics aren't the same as withered ones from FNAF2. Edwin created entierly new ones as redesigns of withered ones in his style which Henry obviously accepted. It's not so deep as you made it.
This blue shadow rabbit ghost does have a point because if Jacky is our mimic they could still be connected to each unfortunately, it’s not not confirmed 😔😔😔😔 yet
from my point of view it looks like the top half could very easily be Jackie but if you look at the legs of the mimic the legs look different not only to the body but to each other, what could have happened is after Jackie pulls her self from her box he repairs her self in a way to give her self legs, or some one comes in and dose it for her, and with it taking place in a factory its more than likely that there would be spare parts lying around to be used .
I actually think that Jackie is the Mimic but was never meant to be just a special Endo. I actually think that Jackie was given a special prototype Endo to mimic just as a little experiment and see how it would affect the audience, and Henry made it. But William added some adjustments and made it insane, and after it killed Susie (she said that she was the first and has seen everything) Jackie was locked away forever. Until our player character frees her and she breaks free of her box. And at the end of the game we end up destroying Jackie revealing the Mimic it's self as we see it in ruin, and then a post credit scene shows a fazbear team finding and collecting the broken Mimic and it's implied that they fixed it and that's why we see it in ruin. But hey that's just my theory.🐻🐰🐥🦊
the springlock suit in sister location is definitely one of those wind up mouse toys i saw before the chase sequence. the wind up mice solve everything.
My response to the Edwin and Henry question is that Edwin was just one of the designers and Harry was the head designer who called all the shots. Henry could've also have been a senior designer who did the concept art and initial blueprints while Edwin could've been the one to finalize the designs with his main project being his personal creation, Jackie. Sidenote, on the design thing. That doesn't matter because the modern Mimic is a cobbled together barely functioning robot with mismatched legs.
I thought you were more meaning like the books indirectly talks about things that directly happened in the game like someone dying to a murderer the difference is that the murderer may have a different name
Maybe Jackie is like a security puppet chasing us to stop us and the after that the mimic finds her and then pretends to be her hiding in plain sight in the trailer
If we have three potential business owners/creators, two different types of IP (in this case, Fall Fest’s circus vs Fazbear’s animal-only group) that seem to merge at some point, and one of those business owner/creators was taken out of the picture much earlier than the others - I think we need to reevaluate how much the history of Chuck-e-cheese is being used in this plot.
I don't think Jackie is very important. The mimic has pistons to change his size and how tall he is. I think the mimic is just wearing Jackie's costume and mimicking it
That Goku who's showed up and beat mimic ass into submission must've been the same Goku that going around the fiction verse to change the worst fate to beloved characters.
Perhaps the Mimic repaired itself by using other endo parts to add onto themself. In Ruin, the Mimic’s legs are each different in design so maybe some time after the Mimjc loses their legs, they repaired themself
I had a thought that Fazbear entertainment wanted to cover up the mimic by making it into Jackie. Maybe, they couldnt find a way to destroy it or control it to not be homicidal so instead they put it in the box to immobilize it.
I’m surprised no one is talking about (at least that I’ve seen) how much Jackie looks like ennard from sister location like with the same designs of clowns and they have the same birthday hat and round red nose :)
i personally think Henry made the blueprints and maybe working test models, but the plans were sent to Edwin to produce. Or make more sturdy etc with proper factory equipment. That or since Chica was 'the first', maybe Edwin built her, was killed by the Mimic, and then Henry took over the rest. Or maybe the theory that Chica came from a different IP that was bought by Fazbear and Edwin worked for that other company. But I also figure the books will fall into some sort of 'unreliable narrator' thing. But I'm not sure, it's all just speculation off of what little we have to go on and big jumps in logic. It could be anything really.
12:21 There is a sweatshirt you can purchase at hot topic that has Mr hippo and Happy Frog with the rest of the the og Freddy’s gang. Another merch piece giving lore?
Gah! i completely forgot to pre-order Toast! *rushes over* *orders adorable toasty plushie* *comes back* right, talk to me about jack-in-the-boxes and shit.
Its possoble that Henry made the specific animatronics from the MCI and Edwin was hired to make copies for a different Freddie location. Or even that fazbear hired both men to make a first lineup to see who they would sign a more permanent contract with. Edwin never finished so Henry automatically was chosen
I assumed that Jackie with green eyes is defeated at some point, and that the Mimic well, Mimic's her and puts on her outfit and face. So what we saw in the trailer was the Mimic wearing Jackie as a costume, but the original Jackie will get ruined and the Mimic takes over 25% or 50% through the game
Ive been running with the idea that SOTM takes place AFTER The Mimic. Jackie is controlled by Mimic1, shes not THE Mimic and the factory in SOTM is described as under heavy construction, IE: FazEnt regained Edwin's land and renovated his factory into a storage facility
Perhaps it's just the time of year but the Jackie decorations with the voice lines just make me think of spirit Halloween, which I am all for personally please give me fnaf Halloween decorations 🙏 LMAO
I feel like we're just ignoring the possibility that they received this robot with legs and then decided "hey this will be a cool jack in the box animatronic" so they then removed those legs to fasten the upper body to the box
Why does "I know the secret of the Mimic" feel like some sort of equivalent of "do you know the muffin man?"
“The secret of the mimic?!”
It doesn't in my opinion
@@SoulFlameXil THE SECRET OF THE MIMIC!!!
The muffin man?
It is
6:47 I SCREAM, YOU SCREAM, WE ALL SCREAM, IN THE TERRIBLE HOUSE FIRE AT THE FAMILY REUNION
So now I know the secret of the Honk Legion
If someone makes a mod for SoM it’s gonna be one that replaces Jackie with chuckles XD
Ayyyy Chuckles
@@joshuas9 i can hear him now, echoing through the corridors: "They never Tell you how they **** Themselves!"
I wish there was wine in hell
Pfffffft--
“Time to play” is very clearly what Jackie says when she pops out of the box.
You can literally hear the music box and the sound of her popping out before she says it.
Possibly! But until we know I wanted to play it safe
@@RyeToastI think it’s time to play(the happy sounding one) because of the tone.
Woah, okay man.
I am a very heavy believer of Jackie = Puppet Prototype/Precursor. In the same vein of Fredbear = Freddy. The puppet is a recreation/rebranding of Jackie. The puppet still has jack in the box adjacent programing and implications.
Inb4 the big reveal is that the Mimic *is* the Puppet, and without Charlotte'a soul in it it turns evil due to agony, also explaining all the nightmarionne plushies
@@pamafa3147the fact this isn't 100% unbelievable is disgusting
I can't remember exactly why now, but I know some theorists have thought that puppet may have been there back in the fredbears family diner, so you might be right on the money
@@Dolphin2048 OH MY GOD WHAT IF THE MIMIC AND CHARLOTTE ARE THE STITCHWRAITH??
Theory: Jackie and the Mimic are separate animatronics, Jackie sometime gets scrapped and the Mimic takes the worn down costume or the Mimic just attacks Jackie and takes the costume. If you look at both versions you can see the face looks the same except that Jackie's face is more stretched and doesn't fit the shape of the Mimic.
@@SnaxxHaxTV Yeah, the trailer “Jackie” is lacking a lot of her stuff in her actual model. The Mimic also doesn’t have those extending arms so I think it corrupts Jackie with the warped personality thing like it does to the Glamrocks then uses her scraps later in the game.
If game Edwin is Henry and game David is Charlie, it also could explain why the devs chose to play the puppet’s music box while having the Mimic pop out of Jackie’s box wearing a scrapped version of her face. It’s trying to mimic the puppet the same way book Mimic placed itself into the tiger animatronic
I also think this, and it would be nice to see what Jackie's eyes look like in the demo.
Looking at the secret of the mimic trailer, it looks like its the Mimic wearing the skin of Jackie. The eyes look deeply recessed and different sized compared to the Jackie seen at PAX
I was about to say this! I have something a little extra to add.
Like Gonk said, the eye's are extremely different to what Jackie has, and maybe it's just me- but isn't the fact that both the Party Hat and Hair are gone from the suit showing that something isn't right about it? What if it means we can only see the front portion of the mask, because that's the only thing of the Full Head piece left? _What if someone else is wearing the remains?_
Yesss I was just thinking the ripping off of her box might make it easier for the mimic to take her down and fit himself into both fixtures
I think the secret of the mimic is literally the ability for him to change into whatever costume he wants
@@AngelDelight69 I would not say that really counts as a secret considering both the Tales epilogues and Ruin showcases that off
Its also possible that Jackies eyes arent proper "eyes" more lenses in front of the acual eyes to not be as creepy and over the course of the game Jackie is gonna loose more and more of her bodey revealing the Mimic Endo Skeleton underneath
I don't know why but I feel like Jackie could be her own character seprate from the mimic. Then somewhere down the line, the Jackie animatronic is broken or gutted, and the Mimic squeezes itself into Jackie's hollow body (especially if it's a springlock suit of somesort) and uses that empty animatronic as a disguise of sorts during Fall Fest, maybe hiding out in Jackie's box before Fall Fest begins, which would be why we see it as it is in the trailer: slightly broken and having the mimics eyes (as if Jackie's eyes were taken out or broken)
Not sure, just throwing ideas out there. Any thoughts?
This is exactly what I’m thinking! I feel like this game is gonna have that one dark deception-like gimmick where the suits we see around the map may be taken over by the mimic randomly.
@@AngelTheory-Mbut William didn't kill the crying child
@@AngelTheory-MAre you good
I’ve been thinking the same thing
@@AngelTheory-M sounds like you're making stuff up bc that's never been stated nor shown lol
AT FIRST I THOUGHT “oh the titles really funny haha” AND THEN WHEN DMUTED STARTED TALKING I LOST IT
TOP TIER LEVEL CROSSOVER 😫😫😫
Hell yeah!!
ok i think jackie will be swapped with the mimic, i think we will have to determine when that switch happens, the design in the teaser and the design of the model at pax are far to different for me to think otherwise
The model from the trailer just doesn't have the hair and hat
Things I think.
1. I fully believe that this game will finally and officially confirm whether or not the tales from the pizzaplex books are canon to the games.
2. I think theirs a 50/50% possibility that we will see who created the MXES System.
3. If we see fall fest 1970 I think the mimic is the one who’s gonna be responsible for the fire.
4. Theirs a slim chance we may play as either William or Henry during secret of the mimic.
5. SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN’T READ TALES FROM THE PIZZAPLEX. In the tales books it’s said that fazbear entertainment once had an entire line of mimic endoskeletons but they were all decommissioned for mimicking human behavior in ways they weren’t suppose to, I don’t think Jackie will be the only variant of the mimic we’ll see, their might be multiple mimics as different characters we may encounter.
6. We might see fredbear’s family diner or fredbear’s singing show as an Easter egg.
7. I think that the Puppet/Marionette, Fredbear, Springbonnie, Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, Balloon Boy, Baby, Mangle, Mr Hippo, Orville Elephant, Happy Frog, Neddbear, Pigpatch, Mystic Hippo, Sun/Moon were all the characters who originated from fallfest 1970 and possibly others.
I feel like question 1 is a more complicated answer than "yes" or "no".
@@WinterPains personally all I need to hear is the names Edwin Murray or Tiger rock and I’m set 😅.
@WinterPains if the creator's name is given and it is not Edwin Murry then tales are not cannon.
If Edwin is the creator then it is strong evidence that tales would be but does not confirm it as this could be another silver eyes situation. Well that and the issues with conflicting information between the two storylines. Scott's comments about the story of Security Breach not being the story he wanted to tell throws that game to a potentially secondary source status.
If they do not tell us the name of the creator (most likely scenario) then the debate continues on.
@@RFDN0 I'm referring to his statements regarding the books. U could've sworn he said Tales were also short summaries expanded into the full story.
@@WinterPains I honestly do not know what he said for that. I personally go with unless proven otherwise that tales are a separate timeline with parrellels and shared general laws of reality.
Ruin Mimic looked cobbled together in the first place. As a learning AI I wouldn't be surprised if it learned how build/repair animatronics from watching its creator and cobbled together/stole legs from another animatronic.
Jumpscared by a photo I took at 16:20 lol
I'm hesitant to say for sure if Secret of the Mimic will definitely prove or disprove TalesGames, but yeah, from what I saw I do lean towards Rye's side of the debate. Assuming TalesGames to be true, even though Edwin does have a factory where he worked on stuff and his company was owned by Fazbear Entertainment, the Mimic definitely wasn't Jackie during its time there. If Jackie's the Mimic, that implies that either Edwin put the Mimic in the Jack in the Box animatronic after he tried to destroy it, or some secret person pre-Team A or post-Team B would have had to do it, which seems like a stretch in my eyes.
Either way, great video! It'll be interesting to see where the story ends up going
Wait lmao really? I had no idea. But yeah, the timing of this is OFF. I'm curious to see the full thing
@@RyeToast Yep lol. I think I was one of the earlier ones to post a photo that got most of her and it popped off on Twitter, so it's really funny seeing it just around lol
But yeah, just from what we see, I think the only way this could be TalesGames is if this is post-retrieval in a different factory where they removed the Mimic's legs, installed it as Jackie, and Jackie eventually rips herself out of her box and gets legs again, which I feel is a bit needlessly convoluted. But it is FNAF, so who knows XD
17:44 OR, hear me out, the mimic just transferred into a new body. We already know the mimic is capable of possessing an ENTIRE pizzaplex. why is it so outlandish that the mimic while in jackie, who knows that no legs = bad time, just transferred into a different machine?
Hey it's me Goku
10:47 Jackie really reminds me of Ennard. her party hat, split face, creepy smile, bright red nose, and lady bug button on her bow are almost exactly like Ennard’s design. she’s clearly the first model of Ennard, but what implications does this have on the lore? will there be beta/prototype versions of the funtime animatronics in this new game?
Ennard isn't technically an official animatronic, he's an amalgamation of the funtimes wearing the mask from the control room
Damn I guess this toast doesn’t know the secret of the mimic
Guess not
We all know the secret is that the Mimic is actually Henry’s father
Not YET anyway XD
"Say that again..."
Spoilers man!
I personally prefer if the Tales books stay in their own adjacent continuity, like the Frights books do. I’ve always just assumed that Scott intended for things in the books to parallel things in the games. Not be 1 to 1. Similar to his usage of the Silver Eyes trilogy.
My personal theory about the FNaF games(Steel Wool era) timeline is that Edwin doesn’t exist, and is just a parallel to Henry Emily and Edwin’s son, David, is a parallel to Charlie. Game Henry is implied to be an engineering genius, doesn’t seem to have a wife (anymore) and has a kid who died in a car related incident while Henry was too busy working on his career. I also think that the mimic was initially written as a parallel to how Henry made the Puppet to watch over Charlie, but Scott liked the evil AI idea and made it a part of the main continuity of the games. Henry and Edwin also disappear from their respective timelines after the death of their kids and pop back up in an attempt to fix the problems they feel responsible for allowing to take place. Afton & the Mimic ai, respectively.
Wether or not I’m right about Edwin being a Tales stand in for Henry, I really hope that ‘The Secret of the Mimic’ name drops one or both of them and gives us some actual details on the early parts of the story. I know Scott is so secretive about giving actual details that he let SB be made with nothing but bullet point notes for objects, but after stating he learned his lesson and HW2 giving us way more specific details, I think we might get a properly lore heavy entry into the series this time.
I believe this game will take place right around the time Afton kills Charlie. Henry will already have made the mimic to distract Charlie, and the game will take place in Henry’s warehouse/factory that Fazbear Entertainment gave him to create animatronics and costumes for Freadbears’ Diner, Fallfest, the future Freddy’s Restaurants and possibly more establishments. The significance of Charlie’s death happening right before the game or even during is that Charlie’s possession of the puppet plays a narrative foil to the mimic’s infecting of the animatronics. Assumedly the Mimic was made to distract Charlie at home or the warehouse while Henry worked, while the Puppet was made to keep Charlie from leaving Freadbear’s while Henry was working at a diner or at the warehouse. Both made to keep Charlie busy, but one failed and became her vessel while the other was attacked by Henry and infused with his Agony of Charlie’s death. Both the Mimic and Puppet would be created by Henry and thrusted into major roles as a result of Charlie’s death. Charlie then “helped” the MCI victims by having them posses Henry’s animatronics, while the Mimic “possessed” the animatronics with its corrupted AI. The Puppet seeks to save kids and get in Afton’s way while the Mimic harms others and later tries to become like Afton (Glitchtrap/Burntrap is the mimic theory) Both the Mimic and Puppet are such narrative foils that it only makes sense that Charlie is the games equivalent to David. The trailer even has the Puppet’s music box play during it. I seriously doubt that was just to mess with fans or because it’s now an iconic song for the series. I think it is specifically telling us the Puppet, and Charlie, are going to play major roles in this game’s lore.
Extra details/thoughts that might or might not be related to the game, I just wanna throw them out:
-If Edwin is going to be made canon to the games, I think him and Henry are going to be working hand in hand at the factory and relate to each other over the passing of their children and other things. I really doubt Edwin exists in the game’s lore, but if he does he’d have to work directly with Henry for the timeline to make sense. I just truly don’t think the Tales books are 1 to 1 canon to the games.
-While the SE trilogy says Henry’s wife left, I think all of the adjacent continuities are just places for Scott to test ideas, and game Henry’s wife died during child birth, like Edwin’s wife. I just think that grief makes far more sense as to why Henry would have left it to his creations to watch his kid. If he was just divorced, his wife would have 100% tried to take full custody if she learned he wasn’t watching their daughter.
-The “secret” minigames kinda imply Afton was hands on with the murder of Charlie, but with how she was just laying in the alley, I think it’s possible Afton drunkenly ran her over, probably on purpose, then just tossed her in the alley to make it seem like a hit and run. Prevents Henry and the police from having real proof that it was an intended murder, especially committed by Afton, and would be a good reason as to why Scott chose to specify David was killed by a car.
-I kinda like Matpat’s timeline so I’m still working with the idea that Afton came up with the characters, but Henry was such a genius engineer the people Afton sold his ideas to recruited Henry to make their animatronics. It’s even possible that Fazbear Entertainment was (and will be in this game) called something else. The Freddy’s gang’s popularity might have led to a total rebranding for the larger business that already worked with Henry, before Afton came and sold them his ideas. Maybe Henry being the one given all the glory for the success of these ideas is why Afton seems to hate him so much, and was gloating so much about his own engineering genius in Sister Location. Henry being overworked by the company was seen as Henry stealing credit to Afton. Also explains why the higher ups gave this guy a whole warehouse. (Saying this because of the new game and Edwin having a whole warehouse in Tales) They saw just how much they could exploit Henry’s grief, genius and work ethic to propel their company upwards.
-If David truly was just a stand in for Charlie, I think that the Pupppet/Nightmarionne is the stand in for the Tiger plush and animatronic head. Charlie might have had a sock puppet toy she played with, that Henry used as the concept for the security puppet. It makes sense that if he wanted her to stay put in the pizzeria, he’d design the thing meant to stop her from leaving after her favorite toy. It also could be why we see so much Nightmarionne imagery in SB despite it not being canon till Help Wanted. The Mimic might have saw that Fazbear Entertainment made their own corrupted version of the Puppet and jumped at the opportunity to make that the symbol of its control over the pizzaplex. The Mimic would have already known about Charlie’s love for the Puppet, but because either Henry beat it for holding her toy puppet, or Charlie’s possession of the real puppet keeping it out, the Mimic decided to use the warped version of the puppet as its Story Teller persona. Also just further ties their fun house mirrored nature together. Charlie Puppet watches over the pizzerias and injects animatronics with kid souls to make them act different. Nightmarionne infects animatronics with the corrupted Mimic AI to make them act different. The Mimic/Story Teller is literally an evil and warped version of the puppet
I’ll update if I can think of anymore details for my Theory/Headcanon. Thanks for reading, if you did! Have a good day everyone, and I hope we all have a blast when the next game drops!
So hear me out.
In the game, you'll eventually do something that damages, or destroys Jackie.
And then the Mimic takes her mask and starts mimicking her... which is why what we see curiously popping out of the music box doesn't line up with the Jackie at PAX
It’s very interesting that Steel Wool have been so secretive about this game that really tells me that this game is going to be absolutely something crazy for the series
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I had a thought related to the whole mimic legs thing. What if the legs are an accident? What if Jackie ripping the box off happened, and then information was lost over time, and they added legs to a character that wasn't originally designed to have them?
A third option for why Jackie has no legs:
Fazbear has just captured the Mimic who has killed at least 5 people from two teams. We know a responsible company would destroy the monster, but we also know Fazbear is not responsible. It sees dollar signs. However, it’s going to be very difficult to study and copy the Mimic technology if it’s running around killing people. Take off the legs (which were just from an existing Endo, so not really interesting from a technical standpoint). The upper torso that Edwin built, and the Mimic1 program are the real prizes. Returning the Mimic to a legless form, and even tethering it to a box that someone has to let them out of, would be a way to restrict its movement.
Edwin goes missing for a long time after creating the Mimic. If the original Freddy gang that end up part of the MCI were built by Edwin, they would have been built several years before the restaurant opened, and never updated. Henry likely took over after Edwin left. If the ‘wound first inflicted on me’ ends up predating Charlie’s death, maybe Henry and William parted ways before Edwin was hired, and William had to beg Henry to come back when the new genius animatronic builder went MIA.
The demo seems to point to the setting being Edwin’s factory, but after Fazbear took control of it because Edwin was nowhere to be found. With Edwin, it was mostly abandoned warehouse with a little living area, and some costume racks and workbenches, but here it seems to have a whole manager’s office. [speaking of which, the manager bot seems to be another leg less animatronic, just a torso with a desk, buttons, paper shredder, etc. Fazbear might have duplicated the Mimic already to create robots for various tasks that can learn from people (and then replace them). Just like the Pizzaplex, Fazbear would love to use AI to replace its workers with ones that don’t require time off, medical, etc.
So it’s possible for Edwin, Henry and William to all coexist in the timeline, with Edwin sort of being a temporary replacement for Henry, and then returning post FNAF6 after both founders are gone. Edwin is sort of the Jeremy Fitzgerald in that regard. Cassie’s Dad and Edwin are able to fill roles similar to Mike and Henry, but are able to appear in different parts of the timeline. Edwin can act a bit like Henry (and William) from Silver Eyes. Jeremy can be a bit like Movie Mike with the single dad thing. A have your cake and eat it to situation. Like having Supergirl and Power Girl coexist in the same continuity. Sure, they were basically the same character at some point, but doesn’t make it impossible for them to occupy the same continuity.
12:27
It looks like David Baron is sitting on RyeToast's shoulder for a second there
I'd say those green eyes can be either a covering with the lights behind it, or a color change with possession/agony/enraged ai/etc.
rips in half "guess we could give it these pair of old legs* mimic was born.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the Mimic's arms look like they're capable of telescoping/extending, which would let them fit Jackie's long arms.
It is almost certainly the Mimic endoskeleton in Jackie. The Mimic has a body specifically designed to change shape and size to fit in ANY suit.
henry could have made the costumes and edwin provided the technology
since fazbear entertainment bought edwin's company on 1977
before that, afton and henry only used costumes for fallfest on 1970
but when fredbear's opened on january 1th, 1979, they make the springlock suits with edwin's endoskeleton technology
on march 1979, the mimic story happens
where after the story, henry came into the factory and finished edwin's work, since it was henry which send the costumes ("prisions of my making")
the rest of the story takes place on 1980, but edwin's part is on march 1979
so most likely secret of the mimic is a direct sequel to the og story
@@AngelTheory-M theres no parallels bs
@@AngelTheory-M do you have grammar
theres no "characters parallels"
Every rendition of Henry across games and books shows very clearly that he was the one to make the endos, it makes absolutely no sense for it to change now to fit a character that adds nothing new to the story that Henry couldn't have done.
The Pizzaplex books themselves alludes to this fact too, you have Edwin, the guy who's making Chica and the little vacuum cleaner robots - which were all made by Henry in the games - and who left his child to be taken care of by one of his creations which lead to the kid's death, much like Charlie and the Puppet and then you even have Mr. Burrows as the CEO which is just a reference to William. They even die in the same place like Henry and William did.
There's no narrative advantage to having Edwin as part of the games, SB and Ruin heavily teases that the Puppet or some version of her is still around and SotM not only bring in another Jack in the Box but uses the same music that is used for the Puppet, the game is much more likely to introduce something tying the Mimic back to Charlie and Henry than to bring in a new set of characters identical to them
@@takeo_624 do you use your head
FAZBEAR ENTERTAINMENT CO FOUNDERS ARE AFTON AND HENRY, THERES NO PARALLELS BS
they aren't parallels, hell, henry could have created the COSTUMES and finished edwin's works
can matpat and fuhnnaf abandon this bs
I would rather just separate those two characters and have their tragic backstory that is slightly noticeable thing losing someone you love but different
7:22 looks like the dreadbear hallway am i crazy or?
A little, but it is just hallway + windows
Hey, i just wanted to say sense that "the design is subject to change" i like the design he had when you described toast as a little gremlin the one with im standing while laughing insanity to be specific 😂
Lmao fair
To me at least, I could see a third option, in that SOTM could confirm or deny that literary parallels can co-exist, and introduce Edwin creating the Mimic while Henry created the Fazbear Four. Edwin is basically another star engineer to Fazbear Entertainment, while Henry was the co-founder of the franchise. I could see Henry bringing Edwin in as he spots a fellow passionate engineer who could turn their costumes into animatronics, this could also mean certain book characters can be changed or adapted to be more in the games timeline or have versions of themselves placed into the games timeline that don’t drag the entire books continuity with them
I think Frights and Tales are both in game books as the fact it's said they are based in the world of the games implies not everything is 1 to 1 because the stories based off of real game events. Think of it this way, Fazbear Entertainment was using Fazbear Frights in FNAF 3 to benefit off of the franchises dark past, made a developer make indie games and made a VR game to cover up/make fun of the dark past and have an entire Pizzaplex full of nods to the previous games and books.
That's just me though and I personally feel that this is telling us the story of what the Epilogues were based off of and also to provide unknown/covered up info Fazbear Entertainment didn't want to use/make known.
My favorite part of Five Nights at Freddy's: Secret of The Mimic was when The Mimic said "I am Five Nights at Freddy's: Secrets of The Mimic!"
Not funny
Mimic:Can you survive Five Nights at Freddy’s in time to reveal my Secrets of the Mimic?
@@chriscofer6780 nah, its funny
@@theangerborn4257 nah, I don't think so.
I've got couple of ideas based off some past interpretation and people saying that the factory in this game is a toy factory and that Fazbear Entertainment was originally a toy company
I think the sister location bunker is actually the basement of this factory
Henry isn't a robotics guy he's a toy maker and came up with the designs of the characters
6:29 the lines "It's birthday time" and "i found you'' kinda looks like funtime freddy
11:40 That is a cute bee character on the poster. I can see myself doing a cosplay of that bee.
I’m just curious as to where Jackie’s character ends up by the time this game is over. Like where is the shell of the animatronic
scooper shenanigans? Jackie does have the weird face split and sorta resembles the fun times. Also one of the only human based animatronics.
@@chet_irlyeah wha looks like a face plate styled mask was the first thing I notified when they revealed her. She would be built around the time the funtimes were made or she was cause for the theme behind the funtime animatronics. We will find out soon tho cause I doubt the scooper would be in this toy factory that the new game is based in.
Dmuted catching strays for no reason with that title lol
Thank you for explaining what talesgames is! i’m pretty chronically offline and barely on twitter, so if i hadn’t been looking at it during pax west, i wouldn’t have understood what was being talked about in this video, so i really appreciate it!!
"Call me Ishmael" much? 😏
Perhaps
Re: Edwin/Henry - it's possible that Edwin works for Henry, that this place we're seeing is Henry & Afton's company's warehouse/HQ/showroom and that Edwin works there. That way Henry AND Edwin can be responsible.
Re: OG4 - Freddy/Chica/Bonnie/Foxy might be around by this point. Chica and Bonnie at least should pre-date this game as Bonnie's on the Fredbear's posters and Chica was the character Edwin was working on. We also know that all four were in use by the brand, and Bonnie has his blue colouring, while Fredbear's was still operational from FNAF 4 (that's four years away from this game I know, but still, development time, and so on). We also have that coming soon poster that shows the group, and the prototype artwork, so it's possible - likley even - that thier suits or animatronics would be in development.
Re: suits in the demo - from what i've read in other accounts like a large non-anthro dog (think Barkley from Sesame Street), two clowns, a crocodile/alligator and a pig. I'm not sure but Dawko might also have seen the other two Ruin suits (the lion and the peguin).
I've also seen reports that a Help Wanted 2 style title screen as well, featuring a cameo from Sun/Moon/Eclipse as a mural and the frogs and hippo from the poster as, I think, full 3D models.
15:18 either that or Edwin is just a stand in for Henry in the books.
Maybe off-topic or not, depending on how things go with the game
One thing that been bugging me to no end is going from the release of silver eyes novel to sister location game is that Henry being a robotics guy and William just there as a business partner in silver eyes to sister location and finding out second into the game that not only is William also a robotics guy but also owns a robotics company
It feels redundant to have both be robotics guys
My theory that has probably been said before is that Edwin is a standin for Henry. Henry made the mimic to streamline animatronic production, and Edwin’s son in the story is actually Charlotte. Edwin’s son getting hit by a car is the standin for William murdering Charlotte and Henry destroyed the mimic. I think that’s why Jackie is shown with the puppet music box theme. Maybe the mimic has been the puppet all along?
The mimic was mad for Edwin’s son and the mimic not only learned how to mimic people but it learned to mimic those emotions and I wouldn’t be surprised if it learned to build and repair itself over the years either which would explain the mimic having legs in security breach ruin
I wonder if the Mimic will periodically hide in other animatronics. A sort of "yeah you beat the Beaver (who was secretly William Afton's cousin by the way), but the real threat lives"
Thanks for crediting the builder of the display🎵 i love this kind of stuff
I love how @dmuted appeared out of Jackie's box in the picture at the start of the video 😂
I have a feeling that when they said "coming 2025" they meant January
This dilemma is the reason why I tend to think Help Wanted was actually a reboot and not just a way to explain inconsistencies. The fact that most mentions of the original games story is presented in a meta narrative through HW and Tales introduced massive elements in the early time but didn't even acknowledge the two biggest characters of that time frame says to me that the possibility of HW+SB+Tales actually making a retelling of the original FNAF story instead of just being a continuation is far larger than what we give it credit
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Fall-Fest Era:
I think more simply, Edwin was the creator of the initial character designs during the "Fall-Fest-era" of FNAF. Edwin literally created the initial character designs/identities, during a time when the characters existed as costumes that circus employees had to wear.
SotM Plot Idea:
I think the plot of Secret of the Mimic is that, in an effort to reduce employee burden, a new idea for a semi-autonomous costume was created, giving rise to the Mimic "Jack-in-the-Box" (using 1979 technology, therefore not as "modern" of a mimic version as what Henry later created). I think the plot of SotM will be some tragedy/horror due to the mimic, in which Edwin either dies or is fired, and the idea of a semi-autonomous Character-Costume is scrapped.
FNAF Company Start:
Later on in the FNAF timeline, when Henry takes over engineering, he revisits this scrapped idea for a semi-autonomous costume, and thus creates the Animatronics, thereby giving rise to the "prison of his own making".
That's just baby again! Red hair, green eyes on the model, big red nose. Lizzy Afton that you?
Hey rye toast, now that I think about it you know how in fnaf 3 it takes place at some sort of park. What if fazbears fright was part of fall fest and this year they decided to find something new spring Bonnie/speing trap think about it, isn’t fall fest theorized right now to bring in obscure characters? So spring Bonnie I think would definitely fit the bill in that
At the beggining of Fetch, they note along the prize wall where they find fetch, theres an octupus toy. Maybe related to the hippie octopus you mentioned.
Edit: i just thought of another thing, pretty against book theory though.. Count the Ways has a girl stuck inside on funtime freddy, so how could he be there but also in molten freddy? He can't. So one of them didnt happen. And i would like to hope the short story is the set dressing and the in-game creature is the cannon
19:28 ...That's literally Henry Emily from the official Character Encyclopedia, the same clothes, the same hair style, the same colors.
William Afton on the other hand looks more like a human than caricature in the whole book trilogy.
well the Collab intro caught me off guard.
I would like to beg the question on if the Box given it's attached to jackie, wouldn't it be considered her lower half as the box is actually a part of her? (and this is going in with the specific of it Being Jackie before questioning that if Jackie is the Mimic, what this means for talesgames.)
going by the summary I personally will have to say yes as the Box is a Part of Jackie. and going by the summary Jackie has to rip herself out of it at the door caught off by a wall of Costumes, which means she would have had to lug that box around that (unless the summaries left out a loud crashing sound of assumingly the costumes being toppled over). just seems like such an inconvenience that if not attached, would have been gotten rid off as soon as possible, a cumbersome hinderance that's attached and is a part of her.
and if Jackie was made with the box and is indeed the mimic, wouldn't that mean an already big departure from the story where it had no lower half? why was the box excluded from the story? how was it able to put on costumes while attached to the box?
still though one should still beg the question, does the box count as a lower body if it is attached to the animatronic?
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3 things -
1. The Mimic story takes place in the mid 1970's
2. Edwin could literally be making more versions of the OG gang
3. In the Tales timeline, FNaF 6 happens meaning in Tales, Edwin and Henry are different people (But they still parallel each other)
I think from a writing perspective, edwin is probably a stand in for henry. Fnaf has a long history of using new characters to give us the stories of others and it seems weird to add another animatronic builder when there's still details missing about william and henry
@@AngelTheory-M That's a good point. Now that I think about it, the split face plate on the Jackie animatronic contributes to this as well, since all the animatronics with split face plates that we see are built by William
while i think talesgames has its credibility as a theory as of now, i have to agree- and we know very little about game henry as well. it's just really weird to establish this character as a robotic engineering genius and the creator of the animatronics since >>2015
Fnaf has never had a history of doing that though?? Parallel'ers just made that up.
Edwin does not correlate to Henry at all, he also litterally coexists WITH Henry in Tales. Edwins just some engineer whos little company got bought out, it would be insane for Henry to singlehandedly build every single Freddys Robot AND Run the business all by himself, of course he had employees who also built robots.
@@Skibbutz william was the businessman, not henry. he was the one who handled finances and management while henry worked on the animatronics, so it is perfectly possible for him to create the springlock suits and the other four all by himself, as he's done in the novels. didn't edwin make 18 or so animatronics alone? why can't henry?
@@boollye William was not the businessman in the games version. He was like that in the Novels because in that timeline, Fazbear Entertainment did not exist and everything was singlehandedly operated by Henry and William.
But in the game timeline, Fazbear Entertainment does exist which frees up William to have a more creative role in the company, as shown with CBPW opening super early in the timeline as opposed to the Novels where its the final location to ever open.
In the Games Fazbear Entertainment is a massive corporation which ran dozens of simulations locations at its peak. In "The Mimic" Edwin was bought out specifically because of this, they needed enginners to put together all the hundreds of robots that were needed. Its simply infeasible to suggest that Henry just singlehandedly made every Freddys robot and costume to ever exist. In SOTM the game seemingly takes place in an animatronic Factory, further showing that Henry was not FazEnts only mechanic on payroll.
Absolutely crazy idea... BOTH Henry and Edwin made the core four members, just in different ways. What if "prisons of my making" doesn't mean Henry created the animatronics, but simply made the characters. Kinda like someone making blueprints another person finishes, or commissioning another artist to draw your OC.
So, while Henry and William handle the more business side of the company, they hire people like Edwin to actually build the animatronics. Which in turn results in the Mimic's creation, and eventually it used as a base for characters like Jackie once Edwin goes MIA.
Not to mention... the Mimic weirdly loved a jester suit in the books. And what are clowns, like Jackie, but another form of jester (at least in FNAF). Overly wordy nonsense aside, this game is going to be the embodiment of opening Pandora's Box.
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most people in F.N.A.F 2 after forgeting to wind the music box
I was thinking Jackie could be The Mimic and got legs later because you notice how The Mimic’s legs don’t match each other and it would also explain why the mimic would know to wear a mascot costume.
I like the colab and how it is done here. Props as content-creatprs to you two.
This vid gives me the same vibes as the old 8-bit gaming vids when new vids would come out every other day because of a new teaser
11:03 I personally think that Jackie’s face get’s scrapped and later is used as Ennard’s mask but that’s up to interpretation.
6:49 The voice line "I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream" Reminds me of the song "Ice cream" by TOMORROW X TOGETHER.
I have absolutely no idea though if there is a connection
Love the video! I love vids like these, I'm excited to see how accurate you are!
However, for the book part, Tales is already deconfirmed.
Some appear to have canon parts/books, but many are very explicitly not canon.
For starters Scott himself had little to do with making them compared to other books and games. Secondly many have direct contradictions to the games (Bobbiedots has a MAJOR contradiction that in no way can make it canon without meaning decanonising the game).
Many of the non Tales books advertised as being made to solve lore has iconically been written by people who barely even know FNAF and got many basic facts wrong, and some books even contradict each other.
SOME of the Tales seems to be however (such as GGY and a couple others), which relate to parts of the games WITHOUT contradicting them.
Scott himself confirmed he had a huge role in making VIP, so I would also trust that book more than the rest (especially given it has no contradictions to the game)
Also going with your theory where this will be like trial of the animatronics to see whats popular, going back to things like the happiest day minigames there are characters in the background with odd masks that isnt from the original gang but too early to be in time of pizzeria simulator so they could have gotten masks of these characters from this event that the game will take place in
I think the mimic could use the Jackie suit like in the epilogues and that could be apart where you need to survive it
As someone who was able to play the PAX demo, I want to mention the sheer scale of the Jackie we saw in-game. It's far bigger than the already large version in the PAX booth photos, meeting you at eye level despite missing the entire bottom half. In the chase, she reaches down entire hallways to try and grab you as you weave left and right to dodge. This scale (much larger than the mimic we know), combined with the eyes it has (in-game had same eyes as PAX booth model) make be think that this Jackie is not the mimic. The model in the trailer has some key differences (hat, hair...) and I think that one's the mimic. Overall though, I ain't much of a theorist, so take this more so as food for thought. Very excited for this game, the chase was amazing!
I think we’ll have something similar to the Vanny mask which allows us to see stuff from the past or something that gives us Jackie’s “fixed” form.
fuhnaff give more detail in his video about the demo and you can hear the thing when thay happen.
14:54 There's no problem here.
Henry Emily created only animatronics of the original Freddy Fazbear's Pizza of 1983-1985, just like Mediocre Melodies and Lefty, all characteristic by metal rods in their mouths. He also created springlock suits.
By the time of FNAF2 FazEnt got so big Henry resorted to CEO role only leaving making animatronics to other people.
Somebody else created toy animatronics for FNAF2.
And so somebody else created FNAF1 animatronics who we know now is Edwin Murray. FNAF1 animatronics aren't the same as withered ones from FNAF2. Edwin created entierly new ones as redesigns of withered ones in his style which Henry obviously accepted. It's not so deep as you made it.
This blue shadow rabbit ghost does have a point because if Jacky is our mimic they could still be connected to each unfortunately, it’s not not confirmed 😔😔😔😔 yet
from my point of view it looks like the top half could very easily be Jackie but if you look at the legs of the mimic the legs look different not only to the body but to each other, what could have happened is after Jackie pulls her self from her box he repairs her self in a way to give her self legs, or some one comes in and dose it for her, and with it taking place in a factory its more than likely that there would be spare parts lying around to be used .
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That's one chunky boi
I actually think that Jackie is the Mimic but was never meant to be just a special Endo. I actually think that Jackie was given a special prototype Endo to mimic just as a little experiment and see how it would affect the audience, and Henry made it. But William added some adjustments and made it insane, and after it killed Susie (she said that she was the first and has seen everything) Jackie was locked away forever. Until our player character frees her and she breaks free of her box. And at the end of the game we end up destroying Jackie revealing the Mimic it's self as we see it in ruin, and then a post credit scene shows a fazbear team finding and collecting the broken Mimic and it's implied that they fixed it and that's why we see it in ruin. But hey that's just my theory.🐻🐰🐥🦊
the springlock suit in sister location is definitely one of those wind up mouse toys i saw before the chase sequence. the wind up mice solve everything.
My response to the Edwin and Henry question is that Edwin was just one of the designers and Harry was the head designer who called all the shots.
Henry could've also have been a senior designer who did the concept art and initial blueprints while Edwin could've been the one to finalize the designs with his main project being his personal creation, Jackie.
Sidenote, on the design thing. That doesn't matter because the modern Mimic is a cobbled together barely functioning robot with mismatched legs.
On the first voice line for Jackie it sounded like gears turning, so that may have been the one that was heard by Wheat
I thought you were more meaning like the books indirectly talks about things that directly happened in the game like someone dying to a murderer the difference is that the murderer may have a different name
Maybe Jackie is like a security puppet chasing us to stop us and the after that the mimic finds her and then pretends to be her hiding in plain sight in the trailer
DMUTED: "Or you can hear me out rn!-"
Toast: "*BACK.IN.DA.BOX*"
If we have three potential business owners/creators, two different types of IP (in this case, Fall Fest’s circus vs Fazbear’s animal-only group) that seem to merge at some point, and one of those business owner/creators was taken out of the picture much earlier than the others - I think we need to reevaluate how much the history of Chuck-e-cheese is being used in this plot.
i think in the game we'll slowly see Jackie breaking down and repairing herself with random endoskeleton parts
I don't think Jackie is very important. The mimic has pistons to change his size and how tall he is. I think the mimic is just wearing Jackie's costume and mimicking it
Awesome video as usual, and I love the cross-collab/titles. Hope to see another one like it in the future!
That Goku who's showed up and beat mimic ass into submission must've been the same Goku that going around the fiction verse to change the worst fate to beloved characters.
Perhaps the Mimic repaired itself by using other endo parts to add onto themself. In Ruin, the Mimic’s legs are each different in design so maybe some time after the Mimjc loses their legs, they repaired themself
15:34 I do think that Edwin built the mimic and Henry built the fnaf one animatronics by learning from the mimic
I had a thought that Fazbear entertainment wanted to cover up the mimic by making it into Jackie. Maybe, they couldnt find a way to destroy it or control it to not be homicidal so instead they put it in the box to immobilize it.
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0:03 OMIGOD THAT FLOOFY CAT LOOKS SO ROUND ^w^
I’m surprised no one is talking about (at least that I’ve seen) how much Jackie looks like ennard from sister location like with the same designs of clowns and they have the same birthday hat and round red nose :)
We could definitely be getting some insight on ennard too, he looks like he comes from the same place as jackie
i personally think Henry made the blueprints and maybe working test models, but the plans were sent to Edwin to produce. Or make more sturdy etc with proper factory equipment. That or since Chica was 'the first', maybe Edwin built her, was killed by the Mimic, and then Henry took over the rest. Or maybe the theory that Chica came from a different IP that was bought by Fazbear and Edwin worked for that other company. But I also figure the books will fall into some sort of 'unreliable narrator' thing. But I'm not sure, it's all just speculation off of what little we have to go on and big jumps in logic. It could be anything really.
12:21 There is a sweatshirt you can purchase at hot topic that has Mr hippo and Happy Frog with the rest of the the og Freddy’s gang. Another merch piece giving lore?
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right, talk to me about jack-in-the-boxes and shit.
Its possoble that Henry made the specific animatronics from the MCI and Edwin was hired to make copies for a different Freddie location. Or even that fazbear hired both men to make a first lineup to see who they would sign a more permanent contract with. Edwin never finished so Henry automatically was chosen
I assumed that Jackie with green eyes is defeated at some point, and that the Mimic well, Mimic's her and puts on her outfit and face. So what we saw in the trailer was the Mimic wearing Jackie as a costume, but the original Jackie will get ruined and the Mimic takes over 25% or 50% through the game
Ive been running with the idea that SOTM takes place AFTER The Mimic. Jackie is controlled by Mimic1, shes not THE Mimic and the factory in SOTM is described as under heavy construction, IE: FazEnt regained Edwin's land and renovated his factory into a storage facility
lol hearing your voice in pastra’s jeff the killer was so funny ngl.
Perhaps it's just the time of year but the Jackie decorations with the voice lines just make me think of spirit Halloween, which I am all for personally please give me fnaf Halloween decorations 🙏 LMAO
Uh oh, Dmuted is out of his box. Let's fix that with a controlled shock
I feel like we're just ignoring the possibility that they received this robot with legs and then decided "hey this will be a cool jack in the box animatronic" so they then removed those legs to fasten the upper body to the box