20CV Steel Battle: Kershaw Link vs. ZT 0357
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I am sorry, I miss spoke the ZT cannot be de-assisted.
gideonstactical exactly the info I was looking for👍. I’ve de-assisted my 0350, 0770, 0566 and like them so much better. Great video.
What? You can't remove the torsion bar? I did that on my Blur
@@skylerbond56 ZT 0357 haven't detent hole in blade
@@manyknivesguy Oh I see
❤ My *LINK* USA
FYI neither Kershaw or Zero Tolerance owns the other brand. Both brands are owned by the parent “Kai USA Ltd” as is Shun Cutlery.
Cpm-20cv is the same as m390 just manufactured in different places. The difference you experienced was probably just heat treat.
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Yes m390 and 20cv same steel!!!
That's the point...
@@hanselito2416 👏👏👏
@@sergeyishenin673 extremely similar, not the exact same. Silicon content different I believe
I had every intention of buying the ZT when going to my local sportsman’s. But since they had the link there as well, I compared them myself, and man… the link took my money. Just based off the feeling of the aluminum handles and the ergo’s and it having the same steel it was a no brainer and to also save money was a plus! At the end of the day it’s a pocket knife lol
I love the ZT as I do some of their other knives but just cant afford the $$$”s. Kershaw is a great knife too and they are so close..... I would go with the Link...
Kershaw Link is almost the same thing honestly. I own both of them and they feel pretty much the same aside from the g10.
Got the Kershaw. It is cool as heck. I could not believe the price for 20cv. Cool comparison.
Great review. I just picked up the Kershaw Link. Quickly became my favorite EDC blade. And I have some classics. This this is great.
How’s the Kershaw Link holding up? You still liking the 20CV steel? Is 20CV a lot better than S35? The best knife I have is S35 but I’ve been eyeballing the Kershaw Link and that 20CV in my Amazon cart. Wondering if I should go for it..
As always, we're in sync as to knife choices!
These knives are virtually similar visual-wise.
I love the Kershaw Bareknuckle 7777. No spring assist. CPM-20CV blade, great ergos.
During the brief ZT minimum advertized pricing (MAP) motitorium, I stocked up on many additional ZTs, including the ZT 0357. I rarely pay full price on anything I don't need, so an incentive helped. I have always been a Link fan, and, now, I have the FRN version, the aluminum 420HC (Tanto & Sheepsfoot), S35VN, M390 and 20CV. I am glad Kershaw finally addressed the free spinning scale screw problem. A 20CV Tanto would fix the thin tip.
I choose the bareknuckle in 20cv. Amazing knife for price. Love mine.
Me to but for that blade style the zt 0770cf is nice
@@paulsouders3489 the 0770 is similar but I believe slightly shorter and all belly without the slight recurve that the bearknuckle has. Something about the recurve just makes the thigh cut like a damn champ and it’s blade stock is thin and the grind angle makes it so that it shaved hair even when it’s dull.
@@tallica4life81 im not really into knifes that arnt usa made but I've been eyeing the natrix the copper one has the d2 but I like that blade style also but my favorite of all is the zt 0777cf m390 the natrix pretty much has the same blade but in d2 and not usa made. 0777cf is almost impossible to find lol
@@paulsouders3489 the nearly kershaw is a USA made blade. It’s plastered right on the blade with an American flag.
I do not like the texture of the finish of the bareknuckle but I do own one. Highly prefer the link though
I love my tanto link in 440HC, can't wait to buy another link but with higher steel on it!!!
Even as a steel snob I love the link,have the 20CV,m390 and two 420HC versions. Love them all for different reasons. Yes,you can easily find D2 for the links base price now but ..kershaw's 420HC is solid and their warranty is amazing vs cheap chinese knives. Add in it's easy to maintain and to obtain.
They have a winner here at every price and steel level. I'd love to see an even higher tier limited with Maxamet or LC200N or vanguard If they can't use that due to Spyderco.
I like all 3 knives. Kershaw/Zero Tolerance is my favorite knife maker.
I just picked up the ZT for about $110, well worth it, great knife!
Brandon Erickson where?
Wow!! You did good. I picked that ZT up for $123 at Knifecenter last month.
Justin he did not buy it for 110.00..... if he had he would have told you where.👍
@@LuisGonzalez-gl4wc me too.
@@rrobins9857 I think Smokey Mountain Knifeworks had it for that price last month during the ZT sale. Almost bought it but went with the 0562CF instead.
I will never understand how people like autos but not spring assist. Blows my mind. They are basically the same however the flipper is the button on the assisted but it's intuitive.
Ya it is weird but I love autos and not assisted 🤔
I love Kershaw/ZT knives even though I don’t currently own anything from ZT...I have a M390 Link,a M390 Knockout with Carbon Fiber scales, the KnifeCenter exclusive champagne gold Bareknuckle in 20CV,the Dividend with the N690/CPM-D2 composite blade and a Skyline...still want to add the Lucha balisong and the copper Natrix XL to my collection...IMO,you just can’t beat Kershaw.I mean,where else can you find knives in M390 and 20CV for just $80?not only do they have great prices but they are all very well made quality knives
Usa (and some foreign) Kershaw tools are excellent for the money
Hey Garret how long does it take to get a knife from knife center I live in Maryland and I ordered from them Thursday and it’s now saturday just curious wut ur experience was with knife center
Daniel Vargo I would say it will probably be there by Monday or Tuesday.they are usually pretty quick shipping
@@garrettferrell6821 I hope so man I got a confirmation the 22nd about a shipping label at usps and nothing after that u can’t track it for some reason either I hope I get it man it’s my first time ordering from them hope it goes well thanks for ur reply friend
Daniel Vargo yeah man,a lot of times USPS will send that confirmation and a worthless tracking number.you will get your package before you get any tracking updates
The link is one of my favourites. Better steel, I'm in.
Hue Janus They are the same steels
Harley Better steel than my old link.
This is a nice example of paying almost double the amount for a small piece of steel. I don't own either one of these folders and I wouldn't let the price dictate my choice as I buy what I want.
Take a photo of them standing up next to each other. The zt liners are about twice as thick.
I think that Kershaw is flat ground. I remember an interview with a Kershaw employee, I think he was talking with Kniefcenter, and he said that the grinding equipment they use here in the US isn’t capable of hollow grinding the more difficult steels. The Blur is a good example. 14C28N is hollow and S30V is flat.
Aaron, The ZT has the Kershaw KAI logo on the blade
Neither of these would be a top choice for me (although the Link does look sweet in that variation), but i gotta go with the Kershaw in this situation. I think it looks better than the ZT and for the same steel, why would i pay almost double for the branding.
To be clear, i love both ZT and Kershaw, having knives from both and enjoying them all. In this case, just have to go with the Kershaw.
You can buy 2 of these Kershaws for the price of almost 1 ZT. Same steel and both USA made. And my favorite color is green. Easy choice for me..🤘
This is just like putting a Sierra & Silverado together
I would say another advantage of the ZT is jimping on the top of the blade. How is the handle shape on the Link compared to the Kershaw Camber (my favorite Kershaw)?
Dude I wish I had a kershaw camber. Missed out on one and I've been trying to find one ever since
I got my OG green link on St Patrick's Day for 73 USD...such a price for such a great folder, US made, is impossible to resist!
IMO, the ZT doesn't add nothing especial to justify the extra money.
Another great USA made with quality steel is the buck spitfire. They come in different colored aluminum handles and blade materials but the s30v bladed version (its a copperandclad exclusive) is only 50 bucks and it's made in USA too. Amazing deal for the price there are definitely a few good USA made options under 100 bucks.
But man this link is so beefy I was surprised by the size to weight ratio lol those are some huge liners with no milling..
Biggest issue with the link is the assisted I'm just not a huge fan and this knife isn't really deassistable.
I plan on getting a bareknuckle soon but in 14C28N since I want it in olive green.
I am sorry but you could practically buy two links for one of the ZT'S and they are virtually identical. I don't like the gimping on the ZT and while the G10 scales on the handle are a plus for the ZT, you could not sale it to me over the Link based on that considering the price. I like the look of that link better as well. I am not sure why a company would make two knives that are virtually identical and sell them under two different banners with two very different price points.
auto companies do the same thing... same car models, different packages. it's all just marketing to make more money bc some guys only like kershaw and others feel they have to spend $200 for a knife to be good, which is not the case.
I’ve owned link in past and prefer 0357 over link all day. You can tell the build quality difference. Plus you get the g10.
And thats why they offer both, though they are two different brands, but owned by same corporation.
I'd get the Link because those army green handles look better & I because don't like spending $100+ on folding knives, unless I really like it.
Very interesting, since ZT is Kershaw makes ZT as its upscale model.
Just ordered the link and launch 13 pretty stoked. I have a ZT 0350TS and a 0770CF.
yep 20cv is just the American version of the m390...Which I have that link and Its very nice and excellent steel for 80 bucks for sure..I have a few other 20cv blades and m390 I only have 1 m390 that will out preform that link and its a spyderco. That will just be because the heat treat on the spyderco is much harder...But hell of a knife for the price for sure.....
I own both models.I like both the same!Support our Country 🇺🇸
Thanks for the video! I prefer manual open blades too but they are getting harder to find. Happy Easter!
Even though these are so similar the LINK to me visually looks a lot cleaner. The LINK is a great looking knife.
The Bareknuckle also beats ZT’s offerings.
Does the link hold its edge for a long time , no chips when cutting rope?
I haven’t experienced that with my model
I just got the 0357 for 6 bucks brand new
I like most of the Kershaw products but I’m not a fan of the aluminum handles. If they offered more g-10 options I would be all over them. So I would go with the ZT for those reasons.
Ah they both have their pros and cons. I am a huge fan of this links aluminum handles thanks to the milling. I am not a huge fan of the links that dont have the milling on the handles no grip and to plain.
Isn’t it the same company and probably the same steel source guess one could of been heat treated better both knives are sexy though 😘😍. I really like the look of the Kershaw with the cpmD2 edge and N690 spine love the deep carry clips all knives should have them.I hate assisted knives ball bearings or bronze and it would open fine assisted makes it illegal in certain areas.
Kershaw are my go to brand for quality EDC knives. Even their made in china line is good. Lots of knife for 20 bucks or less.
Can't agree on the made in china budget line,usually 8cr13mov or worse which is total shit steel even for a casual user!! But at least the slightly more costly china line uses D2 or better or equal.
Would love the link without assisted.
You don't have to fight with the raised screws. They're so small and minute that it is completely negligible. Raised screws have just become a talking point and that's it. The G10 on the ZT bites the pocket far more than those 2 tiny screws do.
Idk, 🤷🏻♂️ if I’m paying twice the price…. Perhaps some countersunk screws are in order! Maybe a shiny little silver ZT inlay so I can be Mr. Fancy pants! (Literally). Lol. No but actually, after many shredded pocket edges (Or the stitching pulling) I agree. That bite is in my opinion unnecessarily tight. I could see if you were going to be hanging upside down or something but just to keep it in your pocket? I’ve experienced it with a few knives but it does seem pronounced with Kershaw’s/ ZT’s in general.
Aaron, how would you compare the 20CV Link to the M390 Link? (btw, another great video; thanks for the content)
The Link is an easy choice here. More or less same knife, but for half the price.
I had the HoB exclusive Link in S35VN but it got stolen. I was going to order the Link in 20CV when I found out about the 0357. I ended up buying the 0357 over the Link.
I will agree the Link has a snapper deployment than the 0357 but not by much. I love the G10 on the 0357 over the aluminum on the Link. Over all the ZT just feels better in the hand and feels slightly better in overall quality. However, I will be getting another Link her soon though can’t beat that price for the steel.
Great video/review as always.
I have a question...How would you compare the ZT 0357 to the ZT 0566, which you reviewed and loved? Once again, great vid and very informative. I look forward to your answer.
ITYWHAT the 0566 is stronger and heavier the 0357 is lighter and slimmer in the blade. Better for edc
@@gideonstactical Thanks for getting back so quick. Happy Easter to you and your family.
Thanks for the comparison. Seems as tho the zt’s handle height is a little smaller at the bolster, which is very appealing to me. Would probably feel a lot better in hand for that reason. The link just looks really y’all at the bolster. That’s enough for me to choose the zt over the link
I wonder why they (as a company) would even release 2 knives so similar at such different price points. Makes no sense. I'd get the Kershaw of course.
The knives are great but tell us about that foam block you are kneeling on. I always kneel on a foam cushion but I really like that block. Thanks for all the great info. God Bless
Happy Resurrection Sunday!
Brian Samonas a yoga block
Those slicing clips are really satisfying
I prefer spring assist. Basic legal switchblade and never had a Kershaw fail
I think the 0357 is supposed to be a direct competitor for the Link. It came out right after the Link did. And it's assisted with 20cv. Both knives even look similar. Seems likely to me.
It's not a competition at all.. ZT & Kershaw are the same company. HOWEVER.. the ZT 357 is actually one of the cheapest ZT knives you can get. So it's a good way to dip your toes into Zero Tolerance. Personally, I feel it's one of the worst ZT offerings. And that's only because the Kershaw Link is/has been available.
I'm a little late to the party, but have the 20cv link coming tmmrw. My carbon leek cpm154 is my current edc
Link is NOT hollow ground, it is flat, straight edge says so. I have m390 and 20cv version
love the star wars analogy
Great comparison; the ZT 0770 CF is actually slightly closer in blade shape to the Link than the 0357, with the same handle; even the screw and lanyard hole layout is identical. The 0770 is also assisted opening. On my pair I cannot get the Link as sharp as the ZT 0770, and I'm pretty handy with sharpening stuff. The ZT is like a razor, but the 20CV Link is disappointing to say the least. I love the design, don't mind the assisted opening, but the heat treat doesn't seem to be quite the same. I paid $75 though so didn't get hurt too bad.
Maybe Kershaw upped the game on the Link because the one I got today is hair popping sharp.
@@snippits75 Could very well be. Mine isn't bad, just not as sharp as the ZT's I have in the same steel. I read similar complaints about soft steel 20CV Kershaws bought around the same time as mine, nearly a year and a half ago now. Wouldn't surprise me if they addressed the issue. It's not only the quality of steel, but the heat treat. I just bought a Kershaw Dividend composite blade in N690 and CPM-D2 which has a sharper edge for me than the 20CV Link, so go figure!
I'd just like to see Kershaw implement some Gimping on their more popular blades
I like the ZT better, just wish they put it on bearings tho....A 20CV Link Tanto would be perfect 👌
I have a Hinderer XM-18 3.5” but bought the link to beat in as the price point makes it easier.
How’s the Link 20CV on rope?
The Kershaw all day long! That's a no brainier.
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The ZT gets my vote the link has a shorter handle and less purchase that’s a Deal breaker for me, but come on ZT what were you thinking eating into kershaw’s lunch
I have this Link, and like you Aaron, I prefer it over my M390 version! The handles economics, the 20CV steel really are superior to the M390 IMHO! 👍🏻
Aaron, how Are you? A question to you that you analyze many knives, why do the best steels use them for folder knives and not for fixed knives? They throw 100 folder knives a day and a fixed knife from time to time... A worth, lovers of fixed knives want more M390 and CPM 20CV. Stay well!
Yeah, I'd rather save the $70 and get the Link. :D I've been thinking about the Bareknuckle in 20CV. That seems like a nice unassisted option.
Yeah definitely I want a bareknuckle too and was looking at the 20cv version but I really want the olive green handle so I'm probably going to go for the 14C28N myself.
@@sneakypeaky6000 14c28 isnt a bad steel at all alot of people will disagree but I know steels pretty well and it will hold an edge for a while its not gonna be your 20cv but it still a good steel. Also easy to touch up and sharpen..
Blades of Steel That’s a great consideration. I got a Dividend in M390 and it is the hardest knife to sharpen that I own. 😬
@@preppinainteasy9965 I was also eyeing the bareknuckle in 20cv that's black on black it doesn't look bad at all. Im just not a fan of the black on satin with this knife. I don't have a blade in 14C28N though so it would be nice to have variety.
@@nathandrushinin1072 yeah the stuffs tough. The 20cv is the hardest steel I've sharpened. It took a good bit longer to get a burr started on it versus other steels I own. Once it got the initial burr though it wasn't bad at all.
Went with the link,why?
Prefer the aluminum to G10.
Superior value.
Prefer the green color.
Actually prefer the link even to my Manix.
@Gideonstactical, I heard from another reviewer that you can't de-assist the ZT because it does not have a detent. Do you know if that's true. I would love the ZT 0357 but I've had all speedsafe torsion bars break on me and here in The Netherlands it's not so easy to ge a replacement.
Warhawlk I am not sure. That maybe true
Kershaw will not ship torsion bars to Netherlands?
@@nitrorc4life1 Every time I've tried to ask Kershaw, they have asked me to send them the knife. As I live in The Netherlands it would be prohibitively expensive to send them the knife. I have just decided to not buy speedsafe assisted knives anymore. Funnily enough, the Kershaw Blur in s30v is one of my smoothest knives now that it is de-assisted. And I'm including knives with ceramic ball bearing pivots in that.
I have the Kershaw Link, man it’s a great knife!!! But it makes me want the ZT a little bit more cause I love my knives being all blacked out. MURDER IT OUT!!!! lol and! It looks like it’s slightly bigger! I got big XL hands an that would be better for me.
I generally prefer G10 but not for an extra $70. With both knives being assisted, there's no reason for me to get the ZT.
Would be great to see the difference in performance, like rope cutting, between this knifes and m390 one
Cv20 m390 204p and elmax are all basically the same steel molecularly they are just made by different companies any real world difference found in them would most likely be heat treatment and, or blade geometry.
@@jamesfair9751 yeah, that's true and I'm curious if there is a difference in heat treatment between almost identical steels, with same geometry. I guess the difference is present, but it's minor. But who knows for sure?)
@@beznosn it would be more of a difference in heat treatment between different knife makers the steels would all react basically the same from the same maker.
CPM is different steel. It's powered steel.
I'm betting the Link will have more inconsistent and generally worse heat treatments compared to the 0357.
Just bought a link. Great looking. Great Blade Steel. Great handle shape ..But slick in hand, no Jimping on the spine, or liner lock. The back spacer has very minimal friction. If Ganzo knives can put effective Jimping on their knives so can Kershaw. I've had it for two days so far not impressed. Bearing and Jimping on a non assisted flipper model would be a great knife.
Tell me why the liner lock needs jimping. It's super smooth and easy to push the liner aside to unlock the blade without jimping. I like the liner as is. Jimping would have been awesome on the spine, but I can do without it.
Love my Link!
If you took the zt narking off the blade you couldn’t tell the difference
Thanks for the video. Was gonna buy the ZT until I saw this video. Do you know if ZT or Kershaw has a version like these with a glass breaker? Will never buy a knife w/o one due to not being able to get into a car during an accident. Another person had one and got into the car. Rather have one and never need than need it and don't have one!
I'd recommend something like a wuben pen light the T10. It has a nice glass breaker on it it's easy to carry and you can also just carry whatever knife you prefer without worrying about a glass breaker.
Auto flipper are such a pain (illegal in Australia) all my manual flippers open just as fast wish they would stop making nice flippers like these with the auto feature
You aren't the target market however,here in the US it's legal most places and as such sells very well.
@@TheGamerGuy1981 I know it's just very frustrating missing out on designs I like because of a spring that if the knife is designed well it wouldn't make a difference for the everyday user
20cv is carpenters version of m390, right? When Ced & Aid did their 20cv rope cut, it actually performed BETTR than m390, IIRC.
20CV is made by Crucible (CPM), which is basically identical to M390 (made by Bohler) and CTS-204P (Carpenter).
Any differences are most likely due to blade shape or the heat treatment of the steel.
@@anthonyberardi8904 well, it's not quite that simple. They are different steels, which use the same ingredients (composition). It's more than just heat treat or hardness. You can give 10 bakers the exact same ingredients, and tell them to bake a chocolate cake, and you'll end up with 10 different chocolate cakes. Saying they are identical, and that the only difference is the heat treat, is over simplifying it.
I am sceptical on Kershaw's heat treat of their higher end steels. While they are very good at HT of their Sandvik, I was always disapointed with Kershaw/ZT better steels, my Shallot in S110V and ZT in S30V performed much worse than RAT1 in AUS8 and that is not a good result for such steels. Too sad, the built quality is excellent with KAI, but the steels..well mediocore. Hope you have better luck there than I did.
That's funny I bought a Link in 20CV and from just cutting boxes, paper and food the edge has worn down and isn't hair popping sharp, I'd say it seems to ware similar to a little better than AUS-10 or under S30V or at least the batch of steel I got.
hey you get what you pay for tho, not a bad knife overall, I love the OD green aluminum
@@BLACKOPS6391 Yes I got similar feeling, Kershaw heat treat of the steels is kinda "safe mode", probably not to be brittle too much, but it takes away the steel abilities in cut performance.
Great video Aaron, personally I’d go with the ZT (not this particular model) simply because every single one is made in 🇺🇸 and the quality Is more consistent IMO .
The ZT knives and American Kershaws are made in the same factory by the same people.
KnowYourHistory they sure are but the overseas ones are made in China
@@Eric-ew8jt ahh, he did say American made kershaws.......
@@Eric-ew8jt lol, these are both American made.
why get one? get both!
If I’m going to spend more money, I want manual. I don’t pay extra for assisted. 😂
that particular kershaw isnt manufactured in the usa. look on the knife. it says KAI on the blade. KAI is the manufacturer.
Kai is the parent company of zt and kershaw
why wouldnt you want assisted?
Nice blade steel and style. Only thing is, liner locks are a NO GO for me. I use my knives for real work and have had liner locks and Axis locks fail on me.
I'll stick with my Recon 1 and Tri-ad lock instead.
Thanks for the video my Bladed Brother 🇺🇸⚔️✝️
So, the ZT has a longer handle, no? Thank you.
I recently bought the ZT 0357 . I paid $148.00 for the one with the "working Finish" . Maybe it was a fluke but the Lock Stick was SO Bad The Knife was unusable. I sent it back and Bought the 20cv Link and love it, functions perfectly and Half the price at $80.00. Which also allowed me to get some other cool knife stuff ( Tee shirt, Knife roll, tactical pen) And I still have $27.00 credit to spend. IMO Kershaw knocked it out of the park with the Link 20CV. Just to note I got both from BladeHQ and their Return Policy is awesome. They took care of it very quickly even under these trying times.Stay safe everyone.
It's a ZT 0350 or is it a ZT 0357. I would but the Kershaw over the ZT.
ZT0357. I know he kept saying 0350, must have been an accident.
Is the handle shorter on the link?
Are the pocket clips interchangeable?
Link is my fav Kershaw by far
I love the blade shape and design. But….. unfortunately I can’t carry it for more then a few hours because the blade will start developing surface rust. Never had experienced this, not even with a Walmart $10 folder.
There paying for the ZT NAME ALSO I would go with the link
I'm guessing because you didn't mention experiencing "lock slip" with either it didn't happen? Under YOUR type of "everyday use"?? :) None of the other reviewers mentioned it....or the more popular ones (no ffense heh...like Metal Compplex, Slicey Dicey....)...but 2 "unknowns" who posted YT vodes about "lock slip" and his experience with his buddy's 357...who managed to invoke locck slip by casually pressing on the spine with one hand...bad copies probably...
Ya I have not experienced that issue on mine.
@@gideonstactical That YTer probably lucked out and got 2 bad copies. :) NO reviewer mentined `lock slip `with he 357...which on a side note...has thicker liners and a stronger spring...is that worth the extra $70ÉÉ Ummm.....I`m leaning towards the Link....funny you noticed more `snap`with the Link....with the `weaker`spring....
Can the link be made manual (remove the spring). Or is it like the leak with a detent ball but no hole for the detent to rest in?
Neither the Link or the 0357 can be deassisted. They do not have any detent if you remove the Speedsafe spring.
@@jamienelson5438 saw a video of a guy making his own detent's with a 1/16 tungsten carbide bit. I'll give it a shot.
@@MrT6250 oh very cool. Definitely worth a try!
So how long is the blade on the ZT?
3.3" I believe
I had both and sold the ZT like the link little better
Can you firestart with the link?
The price of the link let’s us know we’ve been getting price gouged by zt
I like both knifes, but I want the Link in G-10, or Carbon fiber.
Look at the ZT 0770 CF. Almost identical to the Link.