Quick disclaimer, Pierre Sprey is NOT the designer of the F-15, or F-16, or of anything like LazerPig claims in this video. He himself has corrected this in later videos. Sprey isn’t a designer of anything except lies.
5:30 - 5:50 Oh yes! A few years back I took the time to read through that entire website, and it was GLORIOUS! Imagine the ramblings of a 9/11 truther combined with the creativity of a 14 year old hobby "engineer". Just beautiful.
Mike Sparks is an amazing amalgamation of someone who thinks that they know everything without doing actual research and someone who has very concerning mental issues, just look at some of the shit he spews about conspiracies, “aliens probed my ass and took me to Hitler’s clone in the hollow earth under Antarctica” type shit
I honestly felt somewhat betrayed and ashemed at myself from how much I had believed in that movie that it carried over way into adulthood, finding out abut the actual fact that the protagonist was based off of some guy being full of horse manure really made me question a few of things in my life. So remember kids: always second guess your heroes.
It's very important for orkz to believe a thing works for them to do their magic, it is impossible to convince anyone other than the brain dead fucks that the *blitzfighter* could ever work
If you take a serious look at Burton's "Blitz Fighter" proposal you'll see that he didn't even know what his own service needed let alone the Army. Most of the Airforce's losses in Vietnam were caused by light AA hitting aircraft at low level. Had Burton read any of the reports that came out of this conflict he would've known just how ludicrous his idea was. He was also misinformed about radar being able to spot ground targets. The AWACS can do it but with limited capabilities and the J-STARS was in development at the time and showing promise. I highly doubt that the conversation he had with his superior ever happened. Burton was a graduate of the Airforce Academy's first graduating class in 1960. Which means he entered the Airforce in 1956. By 1986 he only rose to Lieutenant Colonel and was quickly approaching the end of his career. The military only allows someone to hold a rank for so long before releasing them to make room for someone else. His actions regarding the Bradley were the actions of someone desperate to get promoted so he could stay on active duty a little longer which comes with a pay raise and more pension benefits. The Bradley was shoehorned into the scout role because Congress canceled a built for the purpose recon vehicle when it was in an advanced stage of development.
Well, the reason why the XM-800 program was canceled was because the 800 could not carry any dismounts, and the cavalry needed the vehicle to carry a scout team; this is why making a scout out of a troop carrier made a lot of sense.
Most of the “reformers” are couch commandos who base their knowledge on military weapons and vehicles solely on “well its good/bad in this one video game” or “this guy in this forum said one time” or my favorite “they said it in this one movie”, the ones that have actual military experience are either like Pierre Sprey and have a mindset stuck in about 1963 or are like Mike Sparks or James Burton, they were in the military so that makes them the end all be all military expert even though they were in some weird admin department like Burton, or in Sparks’ case a combat engineer in the national guard, neither of which know jackshit about APCs, IFVs, or tanks, but because they were in the military and knew a guy that was a radio operator on an Abrams crew that means they’re now the top experts in the field of armor
For those who _do_ know what's going on, their mode of thought is more "we should make fights happen in this competitive, fair way!" Except this is war, not sport. And the bad guys are gonna kill our guys if we go in like knights sneering at gunpowder. "But they're brown people/commies/brown commies. Do we _really_ need to stack the deck this hard? Can't we just be gallant about it?" Morons.
Good lord the old man is my spirit animal this video. These "Reformers" and all there insanity just make me question there insanity with just sheer WTF going through me.
Man, i want to show these asshats a german Puma IFV and watching their heads explode. It's an armored bus. YES, an armored bus that wipes the floor with your fucking Blitzfighter. Fuck, even a vietnam era M163 would kill that Bf110 knockoff and that thing was "just" an armored bus with a 20mm Gatling gun attached.
26:18 You make a Land Battleship like four or more times bigger and heavier than the proposed Ratte and pray that you have complete Aerial Supremacy. But at that point, can such a monster be called a Tank anymore? It'd certainly be called a waste of money and resources.
Aren’t those things kind of chunky too I mean I know it’s gonna be heavy cars are already heavy and they don’t have to carry around ammunition and armor but like are those things really heavy
13:50 In FlPz Guepards vs Shaheds (which are btw much smaller targets, both physically and radar then any "simple" manned fighter) battle in Ukrainian skies we can see what would happen in theoretical situation of modern-ish SPAAG meeting such target HINT: It goes about as well as anyone who knows that post WW2 AA (naval) guns already had capability to automatically track targets might expect.
@26:10 - Well front turret on the Abrams possibly can withstand a hit from most antitank systems. In case of IFV you can make a heavy one like Namer which basically uses the Merkava's hull. Thou I'm not saying that Bradley is poorly armored. On the contrary it is said that from the front it provides protection from most 30mm russian ammo.
The Tigerwolf would probably win, but only because 40K fire control equipment is only slightly more accurate than a man with no arms trying to aim a piss stream.
27:01 The Yugoslavia thing is because the Serbs shot down an F-117 Nighthawk by locking on to it's bomb bay. (Oversimplification of events). At least, I think that's what this is in reference to.
Blacktail is that egotistical there was once a channel called the CAB show who decimated Blacktail in all he had them banned by YT for stolen videos. In 99 a F117 was shot down by a sam.
I have to admit to being surprised that LP, and all the people I’ve seen react to this, don’t scoff at the idea that it’s somehow a scandal (according to Burton) that the Bradley project cost billions... we’re talking all new design, fabrication, testing, any changes required by testing results, further fabrication, further testing etc
The Blitzfighter could have been an okay export fighter with actual tech like radar added it probably would have been useful in asymmetric warfare or as a CAS/Ground attack trainer but would never cut it in a modern battlefield. Also that game is Operation: Red Dragon.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC It seems those guys don't understand there is a thing called "fall-back options". You can equip your missile planes with cannons, doesn't mean you should ditch the missiles...
I would like to say something about looking at things at air shows and comparisons In 1954 during a parade in Moscow the world was introduced to the Tupolev TU 16 Bomber (NATO codename Badger), Western analiysis people were alarmed because it was flying in formation with MiG 15s which looked tiny and they assumed this new bomber was comparable in size to the new B52s at the time. However when the US managed to take a closer look at the aircraft (probably in 1968 when one of these buzzed the USS Essex then crashed into the North Sea) did they realize that they were wrong and in fact there was nothing impressive at all about the Badger. It's a nice looking plane but it was designed in the late 40's and was massively inferior to the Vickers Valiant which was designed at roughly the same time. You can not judge aircraft performances or technology of said aircraft at airshows or flyby displays
To be fair lazer pig is very much a BSer himself and some of the stuff he is not very objective or incorrect. The osprey and F-35 had numerous failings some of which are still not fully fixed and US is kinda desperate to try to sell it to make back money for example and he won't say anything about that cuz he is a stealth fanboy. Stealth is OK but nowdays its not as impressive as non-stealth drones have better "stealth" ability then regular aircraft and either way detection has caught up or atleast it has in the russian side which was shown with all the drones they shot down a few months ago while NATO didn't manage to shoot down the one Ukraine fired on one of the nato countries that being croatia. Lazer pig glorify's all the american "wunderwaffe" that haven't even been tested against peer enemies and says they are faultless when even in peacetime they are showing are severe issues and then complains about people pointing em out. I like his content but some people like spookston have done it more objectively and i highly recommend his video "the problem with pentagon wars" in part because he doesn't spend half an hour fapping about and gets straight to the point
@@Fordmister how would any of what i said make me either of those. All i did was point out how real world conflicts with what laser pig said and how other CCs have done the same topic without fapping about on pointless shit. Also you should more be concerned about ukranian bots spamming fake shit in chat then russian ones as ukranians actually know how to properly use propaganda all russians can manage is to "put out official statements".
@@Fordmister Guys I found the village fool. He just knows how to insults and doesn't have the intellectual capacity to respond or even comprehend a counter-argument that's not written in newspeak. Here, I'll help you out little buddy. "lazer pig doubleplus notgood bcuz he not truth always but has opinion as fact" Did that help, little man? Or do I need to break out the crayons?
Quick disclaimer, Pierre Sprey is NOT the designer of the F-15, or F-16, or of anything like LazerPig claims in this video. He himself has corrected this in later videos. Sprey isn’t a designer of anything except lies.
Damn he's that good
I wondered y the Russian government loves him
@@KonigsTigerbadbecause he told them what they want to hear. "Murica tech sux"
5:30 - 5:50 Oh yes! A few years back I took the time to read through that entire website, and it was GLORIOUS! Imagine the ramblings of a 9/11 truther combined with the creativity of a 14 year old hobby "engineer". Just beautiful.
Mike Sparks is an amazing amalgamation of someone who thinks that they know everything without doing actual research and someone who has very concerning mental issues, just look at some of the shit he spews about conspiracies, “aliens probed my ass and took me to Hitler’s clone in the hollow earth under Antarctica” type shit
To answer your question on what game is being shown. The game is called Wargame: Red Dragon
I honestly felt somewhat betrayed and ashemed at myself from how much I had believed in that movie that it carried over way into adulthood, finding out abut the actual fact that the protagonist was based off of some guy being full of horse manure really made me question a few of things in my life.
So remember kids: always second guess your heroes.
There's a great followup by Lazerpig about the A10 Warthog. Recommend you give it a watch.
The one on the Polish ship is hilarious.
Honestly, Lazerpig is the best channel I've stumbled across in absolutely ages.
I AM A POLE
the Four champions of the dunning-kruger effect
The four riders of the dumbocalypse ... Delusion, Hubris, Arrogance, Pigheadedness
Even Orks couldn't make their designs work.
Hehe tiny drawing go ‘vroom vroom.’
It's very important for orkz to believe a thing works for them to do their magic, it is impossible to convince anyone other than the brain dead fucks that the *blitzfighter* could ever work
Just need some more dakka
I disagree, just paint i blue.
That isnt true, but it would take 3 whole whaaags for them to have enough willpower for it to work and all of em would have to belive it.
If you take a serious look at Burton's "Blitz Fighter" proposal you'll see that he didn't even know what his own service needed let alone the Army. Most of the Airforce's losses in Vietnam were caused by light AA hitting aircraft at low level. Had Burton read any of the reports that came out of this conflict he would've known just how ludicrous his idea was. He was also misinformed about radar being able to spot ground targets. The AWACS can do it but with limited capabilities and the J-STARS was in development at the time and showing promise. I highly doubt that the conversation he had with his superior ever happened.
Burton was a graduate of the Airforce Academy's first graduating class in 1960. Which means he entered the Airforce in 1956. By 1986 he only rose to Lieutenant Colonel and was quickly approaching the end of his career. The military only allows someone to hold a rank for so long before releasing them to make room for someone else. His actions regarding the Bradley were the actions of someone desperate to get promoted so he could stay on active duty a little longer which comes with a pay raise and more pension benefits.
The Bradley was shoehorned into the scout role because Congress canceled a built for the purpose recon vehicle when it was in an advanced stage of development.
Well, the reason why the XM-800 program was canceled was because the 800 could not carry any dismounts, and the cavalry needed the vehicle to carry a scout team; this is why making a scout out of a troop carrier made a lot of sense.
End lesson of this episode; people who know how to design shit should design shit for the conditions and roles needed now, not sixty years ago.
@23:10 The game is called Wargame: Red Dragon. I don't have it, but I've watched someone who does, and it is a good game. It's like $30 on steam.
Most of the “reformers” are couch commandos who base their knowledge on military weapons and vehicles solely on “well its good/bad in this one video game” or “this guy in this forum said one time” or my favorite “they said it in this one movie”, the ones that have actual military experience are either like Pierre Sprey and have a mindset stuck in about 1963 or are like Mike Sparks or James Burton, they were in the military so that makes them the end all be all military expert even though they were in some weird admin department like Burton, or in Sparks’ case a combat engineer in the national guard, neither of which know jackshit about APCs, IFVs, or tanks, but because they were in the military and knew a guy that was a radio operator on an Abrams crew that means they’re now the top experts in the field of armor
For those who _do_ know what's going on, their mode of thought is more "we should make fights happen in this competitive, fair way!"
Except this is war, not sport. And the bad guys are gonna kill our guys if we go in like knights sneering at gunpowder.
"But they're brown people/commies/brown commies. Do we _really_ need to stack the deck this hard? Can't we just be gallant about it?"
Morons.
Good lord the old man is my spirit animal this video. These "Reformers" and all there insanity just make me question there insanity with just sheer WTF going through me.
Careful how you say his name dude amen 🙏
Read John 3:16 🙏
Man, i want to show these asshats a german Puma IFV and watching their heads explode. It's an armored bus. YES, an armored bus that wipes the floor with your fucking Blitzfighter. Fuck, even a vietnam era M163 would kill that Bf110 knockoff and that thing was "just" an armored bus with a 20mm Gatling gun attached.
@@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269no. Just trying to push the Bible onto others. Jesus would be disappointed in you.
26:18 You make a Land Battleship like four or more times bigger and heavier than the proposed Ratte and pray that you have complete Aerial Supremacy.
But at that point, can such a monster be called a Tank anymore? It'd certainly be called a waste of money and resources.
wargame red dragon
@27:47 Funny thing is, the F-35 in any Ace Combat game which features it is far from bad and is a fun jet to fly in AC7.
I get the feeling that if you showed these reformers an ADF-01 FALKEN and told them it was a next-gen fighter, they might belive you.
@@conwaysquest6961 Bonus point if they show it while making memetic flying backwards PSM.
@@ardantop132na6 Ah yes, belkan wizardry
Sure wasn't meant to fight tanks, but it sure as hell can.
27:24 the 1999 Yugoslavia is a reference to the shoot down of an F117 stealth fighter and the sever damaging of another by S300 missile systems
a flying m113? really? the only way you are gonna get that brick into the air is with a catapult.
Aren’t those things kind of chunky too I mean I know it’s gonna be heavy cars are already heavy and they don’t have to carry around ammunition and armor but like are those things really heavy
13:50
In FlPz Guepards vs Shaheds (which are btw much smaller targets, both physically and radar then any "simple" manned fighter) battle in Ukrainian skies we can see what would happen in theoretical situation of modern-ish SPAAG meeting such target
HINT: It goes about as well as anyone who knows that post WW2 AA (naval) guns already had capability to automatically track targets might expect.
@26:10 - Well front turret on the Abrams possibly can withstand a hit from most antitank systems. In case of IFV you can make a heavy one like Namer which basically uses the Merkava's hull. Thou I'm not saying that Bradley is poorly armored. On the contrary it is said that from the front it provides protection from most 30mm russian ammo.
23:10 The game is Wargame Red Dragon made by Eugen Systems (This is a full Year Late but...)
Commisar can you deal with these 4 trouble makers that seem keen on weakening the crusade
I'd like to see the tigerwolf MBT go against a Black Trmplar Baneblade.
The Tigerwolf would probably win, but only because 40K fire control equipment is only slightly more accurate than a man with no arms trying to aim a piss stream.
I wanna see it against a Bradley IFV. So much ammo in an enclosed space, makes a nice explosion.
IT IS THE BANEBLADE!!
27:01 The Yugoslavia thing is because the Serbs shot down an F-117 Nighthawk by locking on to it's bomb bay. (Oversimplification of events). At least, I think that's what this is in reference to.
After we where flying that plane on the exact same route, at the exact same time, and they still got very lucky.
I believe he's showing something from the "Wargame" series by Eugen Systems (available on Steam) as background video.
Blacktail is that egotistical there was once a channel called the CAB show who decimated Blacktail in all he had them banned by YT for stolen videos. In 99 a F117 was shot down by a sam.
You HAVE to see his video on the piorun
An anti material rifle? Damn here I sit being made of material
Could you pls react to the t-34 one that lazer pig did.
The whole Bradley wars is a pre internet drama. This is AFV biblical stuff in comparison to other AFV dramas.
The game is called war game red dragon
8:27 And that's not the half of it.
8:31 Like a roman candle.
Old Man and Lazerpig?
*YES*
I have to admit to being surprised that LP, and all the people I’ve seen react to this, don’t scoff at the idea that it’s somehow a scandal (according to Burton) that the Bradley project cost billions... we’re talking all new design, fabrication, testing, any changes required by testing results, further fabrication, further testing etc
The only thing Burtons plane would effective against is drug lords in Columbia.
29:45 the human mind hasn't changed since WW2, the Nazis were very good at propaganda and those people fell for it
To be fair, the James Bond stories were originally based on a real man: Sir Christopher Lee.
The character, not the stories. The plots are not related to his missions classified or otherwise.
The Blitzfighter could have been an okay export fighter with actual tech like radar added it probably would have been useful in asymmetric warfare or as a CAS/Ground attack trainer but would never cut it in a modern battlefield.
Also that game is Operation: Red Dragon.
It's Wargame: Red Dragon.
I mean the point is that the guy hates things like radar and night-vision because... expensive? "unreliable"?
@@RipOffProductionsLLC It seems those guys don't understand there is a thing called "fall-back options". You can equip your missile planes with cannons, doesn't mean you should ditch the missiles...
@@kozakos1999 But plane make brrrrrrt :D.
I would like to say something about looking at things at air shows and comparisons
In 1954 during a parade in Moscow the world was introduced to the Tupolev TU 16 Bomber (NATO codename Badger), Western analiysis people were alarmed because it was flying in formation with MiG 15s which looked tiny and they assumed this new bomber was comparable in size to the new B52s at the time. However when the US managed to take a closer look at the aircraft (probably in 1968 when one of these buzzed the USS Essex then crashed into the North Sea) did they realize that they were wrong and in fact there was nothing impressive at all about the Badger. It's a nice looking plane but it was designed in the late 40's and was massively inferior to the Vickers Valiant which was designed at roughly the same time. You can not judge aircraft performances or technology of said aircraft at airshows or flyby displays
this is about where the companies was getting lots of money for bad war ideals
The game is wargame red dragon I believe
A2/AD anti-access area denial
The truth is how the Bradley performed in both gulf wars and now in Ukraine
the movie was real about over over spending to hide grift
I have watch LaserPig and have found that he doesn't like much of anything. So taking his word for anything would be stupid.
To be fair lazer pig is very much a BSer himself and some of the stuff he is not very objective or incorrect. The osprey and F-35 had numerous failings some of which are still not fully fixed and US is kinda desperate to try to sell it to make back money for example and he won't say anything about that cuz he is a stealth fanboy. Stealth is OK but nowdays its not as impressive as non-stealth drones have better "stealth" ability then regular aircraft and either way detection has caught up or atleast it has in the russian side which was shown with all the drones they shot down a few months ago while NATO didn't manage to shoot down the one Ukraine fired on one of the nato countries that being croatia. Lazer pig glorify's all the american "wunderwaffe" that haven't even been tested against peer enemies and says they are faultless when even in peacetime they are showing are severe issues and then complains about people pointing em out. I like his content but some people like spookston have done it more objectively and i highly recommend his video "the problem with pentagon wars" in part because he doesn't spend half an hour fapping about and gets straight to the point
Guys I found the reformer, That or the Russian bot....
@@Fordmister how would any of what i said make me either of those. All i did was point out how real world conflicts with what laser pig said and how other CCs have done the same topic without fapping about on pointless shit. Also you should more be concerned about ukranian bots spamming fake shit in chat then russian ones as ukranians actually know how to properly use propaganda all russians can manage is to "put out official statements".
@@Fordmister Guys I found the village fool. He just knows how to insults and doesn't have the intellectual capacity to respond or even comprehend a counter-argument that's not written in newspeak.
Here, I'll help you out little buddy.
"lazer pig doubleplus notgood bcuz he not truth always but has opinion as fact"
Did that help, little man? Or do I need to break out the crayons?
@@Fordmister Surprise there’s only one
@@Fordmister My money’s on Krembot.
Now you know how Solzhenitsyn reads to an intelligent person. And his Gulag. (ticket to fame and money)