By popular demand! Jason's section from our AMD Lab Tour Documentary was the most-requested from you all for a full-length / extended cut! There's some extra technical discussion in here that didn't fit in the original video. If there's enough interest, we can do the same for the thermal lab! Let us know. Check out our interview with Bill & Amit sharing the History of Zen and how it almost didn't make it: ruclips.net/video/RTA3Ls-WAcw/видео.html Check out our FULL MINI-DOCUMENTARY on the AMD Labs in Austin: ruclips.net/video/7H4eg2jOvVw/видео.html
It was actually a good thing to pull the video in the sense that GN can say look we pull content we later deem to not be up to standards to make error corrections,etc. This is absolutely a positive in the long run and if you know Steve at all this is a 4d chess move.
16 years ago...AMD was moving from K8 to K9 and acquired ATI. Jason has seen some very stuff in that time, and been through highs and lows. To still be excited about his craft and lab is great to see.
Jason had to bring his explanations so far down to make them understandable it's unreal. The bloke did good, real good. The full interview was great! Bring on the full Thermal Lab interview GN!
Always fun to take a peek behind the scenes to see how the stuff we grab off the shelf is conceptualized/created/processed! Thanks for always being the top stop for this kind of content, GN
If engineers were in charge of marketing then we'd get intel like naming schemes, the sales pitch would be "better than last gen" every year, and cardboard packaging with no print. lol
@@noahbirdrevolutionWell if the marketing dept is responsible for the mobile chip naming scheme it's hard to imagine they'd do much worse. Granted, it's a brilliant way to do it if the goal is selling these devices.
I really love that AMD hosted you for this documentary. Have had a great experience with their CPUs and GPUs. Seeing some of the people behind the magic is very cool.
now this is inspirational for the next generation of enthusiast and developers in engineering. More universities and even high schools or even all grades should show these types of interactions and walkthrough videos. really awesome
Awesome video! Loved seeing what it actually takes to get a finished product we use every day to a reliable state - damn good content there! Big thanks to the whole GN Team 👏💕
Steve, you ask questions in such a thought through way, its great. You really are born for the job you do. I mean i love hardware reviews, but you visiting factories, oems and all kind of labs is just the best content imho. You respectfully probe in the right places, ask the right questions to really help the experts and involved people you interview to really explain what they do in an in-depth manner, but its still understandable. Thanks.
I expected to get bored by the repetition from the full doc, but this was excellent. I think I got more context and that led to a better understanding of the different tools and techniques. Thanks for uploading!
What a privilege to watch this. Technical parts at moments went over my head. To Be Honest: Most Likely to try AMD for our first time ever because they showed this. Builds trust. Way to go AMD and Steve. Yea, there's something about the 'low-fi way' of simply showing us the tech with no 'advert glam', that makes the work AMD does here, feel real and tangible, to an ordinary person. Thank you.
The kind of jankness of these laboratories and setups that AMD has amazes me. It’s like how it all started a bunch of super talented and smart dudes making McGuiver stuff in their moms basement. NVIDIA and Intel are like NASA, the best of everything money can buy, AMD is like the Soviets, team red suits them in more than just their trademark color. Even their headquarters looks like something from the Soviet era. Amazing what you can do with sheer talent and ingenuity. Props to those guys.
Nothing more refreshing than seeing individuals as confortable at work as they are at home. It shows they love their job and have a passion for what they do. Great video.
Dude is like a character from Stargate, one of those wacky super scientists who works behind the scenes but becomes a side character for an episode or two.
Man these interviews are so amazing. I could watch them for hours. I'm waiting for the same in depth on Inte's lab. Or are they salty because of all the "Thanks Steve" XD lol
huge, feel like a kid in a candy store. thanks for sharing that with us and hopefully more of the other amd lab parts especially with the awesome oc duo.
This is awesome. And Steve, your respect for Jason and his work is palpable. Great to see. No other channel steps back and shows reverence the way GN does. Mad respect.
This could be your neighbor and best buddy who is "outsmarting" you in half a second if you start to talk about tech. I've never experienced someone who can explain things in a manner everyone can understand. Great video!
Those videos are super interesting. I have always been interested in computers and CPUs and it's just cool being able to listen to people who work on these puppies... and as a proper AMD fanboy this video is on another level to me 😀 I didn't know that AMD uses German Hartgestein-Prüfplatten nach DIN 876 (21:10) 😀
Steve that was an awesome video but it has left me with a thousand more questions like, who and how do they design these chips? Who writes the protocol for proper testing procedures? Are these people even human who design these processors, Inquiry minds want to know. Mind Blown, thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why wasn't I taught any of this in school ? The day I realized I was into it and there was no going back that was the day I received my K7 chip and when I took it out of the box to smell it all the people there thought I was nuts. (Hint I could barely wait) Well maybe I am.... Thanks for the more in depth video it's appreciated Believe me
@@natepfunk you're right I don't mean to be a negative Nelly. I'm older now though... (That was back around 93/94) at that point I should have already been
Its just awesome to see how the chips that are in my xbox, my laptop, and my desktop are made and the people who made and tested them. Brings a completely different perspective to these incredible things.
If, as kid I saw this - my life would be absolutely different. The only similarity would be - i'd also watched GN. Granted, we all know that the last thing that AMD needed in times of opterons and fx's - is popularity seeking journalists in the freaking lab). Now they can show - and now they have Steve. None of those factors was viable decision making drivers 15 years ago. KUDOS GN!
Love hearing stuff from AMD production/testing. Knowing about all the abuse they've been put through by both Intel and Nvidia (both unethical and legal), it's a miracle they survived and thrived.
17:18 "We made the IHS so thick because 1) stability for the cooler and 2) it makes the hotspots less distinct." Considering Noctua found an offset cooler still works better even with the improved heat diffusion of a thick IHS, I now get why the IHS is as thick as it is. Smart.
They're talking about an inactive layer of silicon left attached to the die. The IHS is another part added later, though similar reasoning might apply to it.
@GamersNexus steve, buddy, my pal, i think there was a little missunderstanding at 18:00. they are not worried about radiation, that is where surface area is king, but about accumulation. those atoms that are in 400 microns above the hotspot can accumulate a whole bunch more heat. while they are doing that, entropy is forcing them to vector energy out, branch if you will, to surrounding atoms more then a thin wafer that just has a tiny bulk. the main point is like in sponges vs paper towels, you suck up more when you have more volume then area. sure heat is working more with mass and density and the configuration of atoms and molecules themselves but if all is equal it is far more easier for a hotspot to not burn out if it has more mass in a roughly conical shape above it (it should be a perfect dome but crystals have a funny way of directing energy where they want to). in another words, hotspots don't care about radiation if there is insuficient bulk to accumulate that heat before it can be radiated. it makes the whole thermal profile of the cpu more uniform. with thin wafers it looks like polka dots, under thermal scope, before it burns through.
@@bobbydazzler6990 izvini brate ali nije moj maternji jezik. ovde nemam takvih problema. is that better? i used my first language, where i don't have such problems as spelling errors.
The most interesting thing I gleaned from this is that there is a huge amount of material on the top side of the silicon which paradoxically actually helps spread the heat out rather than having intense hot-spots (as well as providing structural support). Also very interesting that the transistors are on the underside of the silicon for that exact reason. Furthermore from what it sounds like and correct me if I'm wrong but it sounded like the gentleman said that the mobile chips are thinned?
By popular demand! Jason's section from our AMD Lab Tour Documentary was the most-requested from you all for a full-length / extended cut! There's some extra technical discussion in here that didn't fit in the original video. If there's enough interest, we can do the same for the thermal lab! Let us know.
Check out our interview with Bill & Amit sharing the History of Zen and how it almost didn't make it: ruclips.net/video/RTA3Ls-WAcw/видео.html
Check out our FULL MINI-DOCUMENTARY on the AMD Labs in Austin: ruclips.net/video/7H4eg2jOvVw/видео.html
Thanks!
What happened to your previous video, why did you take it down?
@@godlikemachine645 We posted on the YT community page about it!
@@GamersNexusimho it was ok, idk why everyone got offended
It was actually a good thing to pull the video in the sense that GN can say look we pull content we later deem to not be up to standards to make error corrections,etc. This is absolutely a positive in the long run and if you know Steve at all this is a 4d chess move.
16 years ago...AMD was moving from K8 to K9 and acquired ATI. Jason has seen some very stuff in that time, and been through highs and lows. To still be excited about his craft and lab is great to see.
I'm here because I was told there would be lasers
Lasers are always a good reason to arrive.
@@GamersNexus My cat would agree.
Sadly they are not being shot out of the eyes of Sharks!
@@Horus9339he said lasers not "lasers"
@@qT_p13 Yeah baby, YEAH!
Getting to talk to engineers is fascinating.
No filter, no talking around the topic. Just insight from a domain we've never seen before.
Love it!
Bigger, Longer and Uncut
Dick van Dyke
That's what she said...
Sounds like your mom has been talking about me.
bro 😭😭
😳 ayo?
I want MORE from ALL of them! The engineers are super cool to listen to, regardless of their role... They're just great!
Same here, show us everything!
Agreed, listening to the actual experts giving knowledgeable layman's explanations is amazing! I always learn so much from these videos.
Man thease tours are awesome
I love getting the nitty gritty from the people who make the things!
Jason had to bring his explanations so far down to make them understandable it's unreal. The bloke did good, real good. The full interview was great! Bring on the full Thermal Lab interview GN!
A good teacher can make just about any subject approachable to a newbie, and he's got the gift for sure!
Always fun to take a peek behind the scenes to see how the stuff we grab off the shelf is conceptualized/created/processed!
Thanks for always being the top stop for this kind of content, GN
If only AMDs marketing/sales people were that competent
If engineers were in charge of marketing then we'd get intel like naming schemes, the sales pitch would be "better than last gen" every year, and cardboard packaging with no print. lol
@@noahbirdrevolutionWell if the marketing dept is responsible for the mobile chip naming scheme it's hard to imagine they'd do much worse. Granted, it's a brilliant way to do it if the goal is selling these devices.
@@noahbirdrevolution that is not what I was saying though. I meant competence, not the same people or skills
I really love that AMD hosted you for this documentary. Have had a great experience with their CPUs and GPUs. Seeing some of the people behind the magic is very cool.
now this is inspirational for the next generation of enthusiast and developers in engineering.
More universities and even high schools or even all grades should show these types of interactions and walkthrough videos.
really awesome
This kind of behind-the-scenes content is so fascinating.
Please give us all you can.
Love content like this. I wish more manufacturers were open to showing the consumer how passionate they are about tech.
Absolutely love this type of content ❤
Awesome video!
Loved seeing what it actually takes to get a finished product we use every day to a reliable state - damn good content there!
Big thanks to the whole GN Team 👏💕
Yep, your editors choose wisely on the first edit, but this was awesome to see. "Thanks Steve"
love the knowledgeability of the interviewer. Makes for a fantastic interview, nice long, in depth conversations.
Thank you for bringing great content for so many years, GN. Your work is the only reason I keep in touch with modern PC tech.
Excellent content! These "seeing how the sausage is made" videos are outstanding.
Awsome! Super Cool video, glad to see The full uncut Version, Loads Of Great Insight
You guya keep putting out great, deep content. Please keep it up
Steve, you ask questions in such a thought through way, its great. You really are born for the job you do. I mean i love hardware reviews, but you visiting factories, oems and all kind of labs is just the best content imho. You respectfully probe in the right places, ask the right questions to really help the experts and involved people you interview to really explain what they do in an in-depth manner, but its still understandable. Thanks.
Thanks Jason, your tour was very interesting.
What a really cool job and a really calm and patient dude Jason is. Thank you guys.
thank you for this full cut
:)
I expected to get bored by the repetition from the full doc, but this was excellent. I think I got more context and that led to a better understanding of the different tools and techniques. Thanks for uploading!
What a privilege to watch this. Technical parts at moments went over my head. To Be Honest: Most Likely to try AMD for our first time ever because they showed this. Builds trust. Way to go AMD and Steve. Yea, there's something about the 'low-fi way' of simply showing us the tech with no 'advert glam', that makes the work AMD does here, feel real and tangible, to an ordinary person. Thank you.
Cheers Steve for the interesting insight / interview exploring what AMD is getting up to. 🙂👍
The kind of jankness of these laboratories and setups that AMD has amazes me. It’s like how it all started a bunch of super talented and smart dudes making McGuiver stuff in their moms basement. NVIDIA and Intel are like NASA, the best of everything money can buy, AMD is like the Soviets, team red suits them in more than just their trademark color. Even their headquarters looks like something from the Soviet era. Amazing what you can do with sheer talent and ingenuity. Props to those guys.
As someone whom was born in USSR - it's nothing like it, really. This image of creatively chaotic but functional science is romanticised and false.
Building my first p.c, and I'm excited. AMD's business model is awesome, it's hard to put into words. Simplicity is classy.
More collecting photons! Thanks for the long interview with Jason 👍
You could say I'm 'laser' focused on this content
Top drawer content this is and easily more than what I can remotely take away from it but still fascinating nontheless. Well done!
Nothing more refreshing than seeing individuals as confortable at work as they are at home. It shows they love their job and have a passion for what they do. Great video.
Holy crap.. This is so awesome.Steve you are incredible.
Dude is like a character from Stargate, one of those wacky super scientists who works behind the scenes but becomes a side character for an episode or two.
appreciate stuff like this, cool to peel back the curtain a little
oh shit more amd lab tour content!?!? love this!!!
Man these interviews are so amazing. I could watch them for hours. I'm waiting for the same in depth on Inte's lab. Or are they salty because of all the "Thanks Steve" XD lol
I want full interviews with everyone, especially the guy that was developing the heat spreader.
Awesome interview!
(And we have another "Thank you, Steve" soundbite :D)
huge, feel like a kid in a candy store. thanks for sharing that with us and hopefully more of the other amd lab parts especially with the awesome oc duo.
This is awesome. And Steve, your respect for Jason and his work is palpable. Great to see. No other channel steps back and shows reverence the way GN does.
Mad respect.
Love that AMD allowed you to do this interview.. Well done!
the folks over at the analysis lab definitely love their intellimice, i mean who doesn't?!
Incredible video, AMD has alot of genius’s working for them.
You can actually feel how interested Steve is in playing with the 3D Xray thingy.
"Look over there! It's an Nvidia spy!"
_Steve starts trying to carry away 3D X-ray machine_
understood very little but still fascinating to watch these types of videos.
Awesome summary mate. I have a much better understanding of this now.
This could be your neighbor and best buddy who is "outsmarting" you in half a second if you start to talk about tech. I've never experienced someone who can explain things in a manner everyone can understand. Great video!
Those videos are super interesting. I have always been interested in computers and CPUs and it's just cool being able to listen to people who work on these puppies... and as a proper AMD fanboy this video is on another level to me 😀
I didn't know that AMD uses German Hartgestein-Prüfplatten nach DIN 876 (21:10) 😀
I'm a simple man. GN shows some behind the scenes themed video and I go watch it and like it.
17:10 "I wish i could show you" we gotta protect that man "Jason" at all costs.
Thank you for this. Very interesting stuff!
This was a nice showaround. I seen a connexion spacenavigator on the desk I use for 3d modelling etc. sometimes 🙂
Thank you !! Great Video!!
Steve that was an awesome video but it has left me with a thousand more questions like, who and how do they design these chips? Who writes the protocol for proper testing procedures? Are these people even human who design these processors, Inquiry minds want to know. Mind Blown, thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Inquiring minds
That guy helped to make my processor wicked!
Another absolutely incredible video by you and the team Steve. Awesome 😀
this guy is so entertaining that he could legit be a youtuber
Love this sort of stuff, so interesting. More of this please
As a protoss player, I can't resist lazer videos
We look to Tech Jesus for answers. Tech Jesus looks to Jason.
These videos are just super cool!
Let's go! Loved all of the people you spoke to at AMD
Super duper cool. More please.
Thank you for shining a light on this interview
No pun intended
Thanks Steve
Thanks Steve!
thanks GN for doing these types of videos and huge thanks to AMD - particularly Jason in this case, for being great educators and "tour guides"
Why wasn't I taught any of this in school ? The day I realized I was into it and there was no going back that was the day I received my K7 chip and when I took it out of the box to smell it all the people there thought I was nuts. (Hint I could barely wait) Well maybe I am.... Thanks for the more in depth video it's appreciated Believe me
What makes you think it is too late?
@@natepfunk you're right I don't mean to be a negative Nelly. I'm older now though... (That was back around 93/94) at that point I should have already been
19:41 An Excavator has been excavated?
Its just awesome to see how the chips that are in my xbox, my laptop, and my desktop are made and the people who made and tested them. Brings a completely different perspective to these incredible things.
This was super interesting to see!!
Thank you !🤩
Steve, I think I speak for all GN fans when I ask "can we get more info on the photon collection"?
Thanks Steve & AMD!
This was really cool. Too bad you couldn't share more from them lab, must have been a treat.
If, as kid I saw this - my life would be absolutely different. The only similarity would be - i'd also watched GN. Granted, we all know that the last thing that AMD needed in times of opterons and fx's - is popularity seeking journalists in the freaking lab). Now they can show - and now they have Steve. None of those factors was viable decision making drivers 15 years ago. KUDOS GN!
True engineering goodness. Love it Steve.
that giant breakout board is very cool.
Gamers Nexus coming thru with clutch, can't miss content!
The thickness/“bulk” of the silicon serves as a mechanism to spread/diffuse the heat. The IHS does that, but copper isn’t a semi-conductor…
great video :D
Love hearing stuff from AMD production/testing. Knowing about all the abuse they've been put through by both Intel and Nvidia (both unethical and legal), it's a miracle they survived and thrived.
17:18 "We made the IHS so thick because 1) stability for the cooler and 2) it makes the hotspots less distinct."
Considering Noctua found an offset cooler still works better even with the improved heat diffusion of a thick IHS, I now get why the IHS is as thick as it is. Smart.
They're talking about an inactive layer of silicon left attached to the die. The IHS is another part added later, though similar reasoning might apply to it.
19:40 That CPU might be a Phenom II X6 judging from the die size and aspect ratio.
So now everyone knows where to go to get stuff that's on Steve's Christmas gift list 😂
Are you planning to review the Kryosheet from Der8auer ? Heck, why not review the Mycro waterblock and pit it agains the new Optimus AM5 block :)
Awesome!
That was really cool guys!!!
Just another scope. Amazing
Lasers and silicon aside, I wonder what the monthly electric bills look like for a lab of this magnitude.
100k a month?
There really is nothing like an expert expertly talking about the things they are an expert in. Feed. Us. More. Steve.
Love this chan, buying a mod mat soon because why? Because u expose shit and dgaf. ❤
@GamersNexus
steve, buddy, my pal, i think there was a little missunderstanding at 18:00. they are not worried about radiation, that is where surface area is king, but about accumulation. those atoms that are in 400 microns above the hotspot can accumulate a whole bunch more heat. while they are doing that, entropy is forcing them to vector energy out, branch if you will, to surrounding atoms more then a thin wafer that just has a tiny bulk.
the main point is like in sponges vs paper towels, you suck up more when you have more volume then area. sure heat is working more with mass and density and the configuration of atoms and molecules themselves but if all is equal it is far more easier for a hotspot to not burn out if it has more mass in a roughly conical shape above it (it should be a perfect dome but crystals have a funny way of directing energy where they want to).
in another words, hotspots don't care about radiation if there is insuficient bulk to accumulate that heat before it can be radiated. it makes the whole thermal profile of the cpu more uniform. with thin wafers it looks like polka dots, under thermal scope, before it burns through.
You are trying to correct Tech Jesus but you don't know the difference between "then" and "than"? Hmmmm....🤔
@@bobbydazzler6990 izvini brate ali nije moj maternji jezik. ovde nemam takvih problema.
is that better? i used my first language, where i don't have such problems as spelling errors.
The most interesting thing I gleaned from this is that there is a huge amount of material on the top side of the silicon which paradoxically actually helps spread the heat out rather than having intense hot-spots (as well as providing structural support). Also very interesting that the transistors are on the underside of the silicon for that exact reason. Furthermore from what it sounds like and correct me if I'm wrong but it sounded like the gentleman said that the mobile chips are thinned?
Very Very Cool!