This Was A Narrative Disaster | Honkai: Star Rail Story Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 22 дек 2023
- While I really liked this plot twist at first, the more I think about it the less sense it makes. Today I would like to talk about why Tingyun's death was so poorly written, and the easy changes that could've been made to rectify them.
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If Tingyun Comes back to life or is revealed to be alive, this video will age like milk. If not, then I will continue to blast the narrative decision to make her both, a puppet of a greater villain, and the clone of a character we never met.
Please discuss in the comments. I wanna hear what everyone else thinks cause I know this is not a popular option to have.
oh and, how about a positive video next time yeah? Last thing I wanna do is become my brother
Yeah, we don't need 2 soul. One is already too much 😂
We can have one more "not bald" Tectone tho 🤣
First time I think that a youtuber hopes that their video ages like milk.
The tingyun we met was a fake, mb for telling you this
@@kyeda it’s so adorable seeing people who genuinely believe I care about a set of fuckable pixels.
@kyeda exactly, it's almost always people who aren't actually writer's talking about something is bad writing. It's only bad because his favorite waifu died. Not because of the writing, he'll this entire video proves it's good writing lol. Dude wouldn't understand a red herring if it slapped him in the face I guess 🤔
it going to be funny when tingyun comes back to the loufo then finds out her colleagues basically yeeted her belongings to space
That just means taxes were due.
When this man found out Tingyun dies, he expressed a level of emotion that still shakes me to this day.
You and my neighbors both buddy. Get in LINEEE.
I remember being in a argument with someone on the internet about Tingyun's death. I jokingly said in one video something like "I don't see depression in it, so probably not HI3" because you know, HI3 is known to kill characters left,right, center.
And then someone said to me, "oh how about tingyun's death then" and I said that wasn't depressing at all. Sad moment for sure but compare to what HI3 give, it's not even close.
himeko hsr💀
@@longbreadLet’s wait for another final lesson
@@QuangHaMinh-oy1bc Well, for 1 Wendy's death, we get a whole flamechaser worth of depression
@@AntiWokeXR...........*flashbacks*
"hi3 is known to kill characters left right and center"
The only characters in the game of hi3 who have died AFTER meeting them while they were alive are Himeko and Otto. The flamechasers were ALREADY dead prior to their goofy ass among us chapter. Like oh man, the digitial memories are dying! How tragic oh noooooo! Not like they werent all already dead to begin with or anything! So depressing!
Hi3 players really be out here thinking hi3 kills characters constantly when the canonical relevant characters death count is like 4 lmao
Poor Yanming, forever labelled as that one dude who mourns Tingyun and not the fact he used to be a nameless who got his ass kicked so hard he retired from the whole planet hopping biz.
Wait this guy shows up more than once, and he’s pathetic both times?
Shit man. That’s such a sad existence. Lmao
Maybe if the writers made a conscious effort to tell the player that about him it wouldn't have happened like that. Could be wrong though of course.
One the one hand - your analysis is spot on and writing about her character was a mess. On the other hand - can’t wait to roll for a 5* version of Tingyun when she shows up in the story! Surely she will! 100%!! Right?
Well, there was hints made by Welt about her still likely being alive somewhere out there. And Hoyo won't make that hint if they not plan to still use her in the future for a cliffhanger.
Schrödinger's Foxian is quite the conundrum.
felt like they wanted the narrative value of both having Tingyun "die" but also not totally die.
Im just baffled at scene right after her death at how Welt starts gaslighting us with what we just witnessed, stating that this is odd from how Phantilia tends to do things and Ting may or may not be alive. For a while I was wondering if Welt was just trying to keep March from freaking out by confusing her, lol.
only wish Tingyun was more cat-like and quantum for the Schrödinger joke
You know March is Paimon 2.0, right? We don't tell the kids what really happened in front of their eyes. Give them few years to digest the tragedy.
For a while? Isn't that exactly what happened? What exactly do people expect Welt to say? "Oh yeah, she's totally dead, super dead. Anyways.. moving on." Of course he's going to console March. She's dead, people are just shocked and can't accept that she's dead, so it's "bad writing".
I wholeheartedly agree. I was partially spoiled so I made sure to interact with Tingyun before the reveal, and I honestly cannot remember any lasting impression of her besides playful and money. And I was so frustrated that their reaction afterwards was so deadpan. Cocolia's death was handled that way too. Like is it too much to implement a crying animation to feel the emotion? I'm ok that long life species don't miss a passing because they've had sufficient time, but it falls flat when a sacrifice/death doesn't leave a long term character impact in someone (supposedly Yukong here). This may be because of Asian Buddhist beliefs in reincarnation, they try not to mourn it too much
""My face is tired."
"tingyun died"
"Nah we'll find her"
This shit is bizzare
Its like the mihoyo story department saying that she WILL comeback to patch the bad story writing
Maybe the final was rushed because of the early Game? It definitely feels like it.
Regarding Tingyun: I guess it was Intentional to confuse the Reader and left some Questions unanswered for now.
It's the Same with Luocha's coffin and Intentions on the xianzhou, which is still a mystery.
Of course we have to see how they Continue the Story, but I expect that Tingyun will come back.
I'm with you man. The Tingyun story is especially bad, but honestly, the issues of not setting up the stakes/characters/world/history for things to actually matter has been poison for the entire plot Xianzhou plot.
Compare things in Xianzhou to things in Belebog. The main outline of Belebog is made clear immediately before you even land: Belebog used to be a warm paradise planet and it lost contact with the rest of the universe after being attacked by the Anti-Matter Legion. Now, there is a Stelleron on the planet and it is a frozen death-world run by a strict military government. You need to find the Stelleron and contain/destroy it for the sake of your journey and the planet's survival. From that point on, characters act within the structure of that set up, and further reveals build on the initial outline.
In the Xianzhou, you get word from Kafka that a Stelleron is on this massive ship-planet full of immortals and that you need to find it and/or her. You also know that Dan Heng has some history on the ship. But other than that, there's just no context and because the story is a) has less set up than Belebog and b) is even trying to do more *stuff* than Belebog, the whole thing makes little to no sense, the stakes are not clear, and everything feels rushed. I think some of these decisions were made to emphasize "plot reveals," but plot reveals are irrelevant if what is revealed doesn't make sense.
Playing "Clouds Leave No Trace" I was shocked that the information in that quest wasn't in the main storyline, as it makes the emotional stakes of basically everything the 4 former Xianzhou friends do 1000x more clear. I was shocked that they made Tingyun's death a "big reveal" without actually spending enough time focusing on Tingyun. I was shocked that they squirreled the explanation of the motives of the Disciples into a strange quest line so poorly paced they eventually made it optional.
If Phantilia had turned in to a nine tailed fox, still somewhat resembling Tingyun, then it would have been worth it. But instead, we got a giant mommy boss. Also didn't we get some info on how Heliobus work as a species. Also remember Fu Xien Mentioning Tingyun later in the story.
You bringing up pretty much having to do homework to understand the plot highlights a bigger overarching issue in the Honkai franchise as a whole I feel. I hate that they like to put important content outside of the game. I shouldn't be required to dig for extra material to even have a basic understanding of the plot or to care about the characters. Some examples in Honkai impact that I think also highlights this issue is; A lot of Info on the 2nd eruption being relegated to a manga despite it kicking off the main plot, main character backstories being in mangas, and Elysian Realm story being in a tedious side mode meant to be done over a long period of time. The last one was the worst to me because I don't see how I'm supposed to care about the deaths of characters who died 50k years ago when it isn't actually them, and I don't know most of their back story because I'm not reading the walls of text in Elysian Realm.
tl;dr the issue is just bad story telling but often times it stems from them splitting important parts of the story into supplementary media
Careful. Lotta Hi3 diehards will die on the hill of hi3 being absolute peak fiction with no equal whatsoever and no flaws whatsoever. when its really just a sloppily written shonen that retcons something every 2 years
@@justsomeguy727 Lmao and imma die on the hill that, as a Honkai fan, Hi3 fans need to learn to develop even a remotely critical eye because somehow every other hoyogame fandom has one
@@justsomeguy727 enjoying something≠thinking it doesnt have flaws
@@Toca_Moca I didnt really understand your point, you think because people enjoyed a story that you didnt they need to develop critical thinking?
@nadaaqui7407 No my point is the hypocrisy in the fandom. People are quick to tout the flaws in the other games just so they can gas up honkai impact as if it has no flaws, when all of the games have their flaws.
I remember when her death became widespread and a majority of people just went "oH wE aRE iN tHE REaL HOnkAI NoW" but honestly Honkai has not killed any playable characters the normal way since OG Himeko and the recent HSR penacony story shows this, they now leave themselves a backdoor to back track after "killing" a character to give the illusion of emotional tragic story.
And because Genshin doesn’t tip their toes in this kind of story telling, people drink this stuff like drunkards.
If there's no death well it is a story for babies or what honkai players think a mature story is
Tingyun: -dies badly-
Solo: ...And I took that personally.
10/10 video. The art piece/concept example was on point. (And I guessed wrong too, damn.)
They didn’t do my girl justice in life and in death.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the game tells us in the most backwards way that Tingyun is dead. The Guinifen Event quest tells us that Heliobi feed off emotions of the host until they grow bored with the host or sap them so dry that not even a corpse remains. Later on, we find out that the Heliobi are aware of Phantiliya, while not a smoking gun, this heavily implies she is a Heliobus. Additionally, in the Tingyun death scene a green orb representing Phantiliya comes from Tingyun's body, which look suspiciously like the ghost forms of Heliobi.
It has been comfirmed that Phantilya is a heliobus, if you go and check in hsr fandom it shows that her species in of heliobi, but it is true that narritve of the story is all over the place, I'm a casual player I read lore but I don't go snooping around for stories connecting them, I just watch I video for it to sum it up. I do like the storywriting but way it is swon is bad coz you have to keep looking up and connect the dots to get full gist of it.
So they killed her but still have the characters be confused if she's dead?
Yeah but even then the description of a Heliobi leaving a body is described as
“Usually fatal”
Not always fatal.
@@XgoSolo If it's not fatal, then the host shouldn't disappear like thin air. It's hard to believe she's alive if she doesn't have a body anymore.
Wasn't it also established that they can appear as whatever they want, without possessing someone? Thinking of the fake Bailu and the deceased wife.
It was done for cheap shock, but they didn't want to commit to the bit. People seem to forget that Himeko's death in Honkai 3rd was also cast doubt on by the story for years before they finally confirmed it during her funeral several story arcs later, although that whole situation was handled so much better than this one. At the end of the day, Tingyun was just one of the many victims of the Luofu's story arc poor writing (supposedly it was the same writer that did Inazuma's Archon Quest so go figure).
>no foreshadowing that tingyun is a big bad other than the fact she follows us
>No payoff post reveal of dan heng imbibitor against the phantylia fight. Jing xuan stole it
>Random AML and phan brought in as big bad when disciples were brought in right before
I am curious about the internal affairs involving the narrative of the Luofu. From what I hear, there was a lot of internal, personal meddling by one of the writers, but I haven't found anything concrete.
Hopefully, Penacony has a better pacing.
There are many writers, so everything is confused as usual. It's BAD, whether she's dead or not.
Subsequent updates made it even worse because I feel like atleast some of this could have been salvaged if we got introduced to Heliobi *before* Phantylia shows up.
Revealing that Phantylia is a Heliobus after she already left this story arc is useless information at this point and was information we needed *before* meeting her.
Long story short, nothing made sense, nothing connected.
and some of the plot bits that did exist served no narrative purpose.
I'll just point to her voice line. "Better late than never?" When you heal her.
Then again the only story that I liked in HSR so far has been Trash Cans in Belabog and the introduction.
Logically speaking, we never met Tingyun, only Phantylia larping as her. Meaning that all that time we spend with Phantylia, real main girl of this game, that we never get in our party in her best form...
it'd be beyond stupid that if, in a gacha game, a playable character just dies off-screen without a single story quest, event quest or character development for that character. In that case, why didn't just make her an actual NPC in the first place? it would still be as shocking. There's really no logical way to throw away characters like her for no reason
What if real Tingyun will be a secret guest of Penacony event somewhere near the end of it's arc.
That would be epic and plausible given what we know about Penacony.
This is just all characters in Star Rail in a nutshell. Every single "character arc" so far, if you can even call it that, was rushed through like the writers were doing a speedrun. No one gets proper time to breathe and interact with each other. Sure, characters talk to one another and the game likes to pretend like they're now friends or enemies, but it still feels like everyone exists in a void. It's all disjointed and inconsequential, with everything feeling like an one and done thing that doesn't ever lead to anything. Tingyun is the same way, she got "killed" because the writers decided they finished her story speedrun so she wasn't needed anymore, aqnd it is now time for us to move onto something else. Every "villain" gets that treatment in the story, but I feel like it extends to other characters as well, even pssibly to entire locations. It makes the whole thing incredibly hard to relate to and care, I feel completely disconnected from the plot and couldn't care less about any of the characters when considering that they're probably going to get handwaved in the next patch and fade into the void, only to get called back for a random event or two.
True. It's just like a cheap horror movie. Story is bland? We have to kill someone to keep people talking!!
This is my most disliked video to date. 70/30 split.
Despite that, I still think the Lofu was shit writing especially now that we have seen what Penacony has to offer.
Defend it if you will, but if Tingyun stays dead, this writing is ass.
I don't know why people actually think Tingyun is definitely dead. Her status as a playable character guarantees that she will be involved in future content. Even dead himeko in HI3 was still involved in a future event. This a gacha game, not an anime series or even a regular video game. Tingyun can potentially make them a lot more money if she's alive rather than if she's actually dead. And that's without mentioning all the suspicious details that raises question whether she actually died.
ok can we talk about Martch's skin? What even was that it was so random and for no reason, nobody expected it, it wasn't announced and we didn't even get it as an actual skin?!
Gotta love the fact in Kafka's companion quest, you can't ask her about Tingyun. Yeah, we're all curious about her and our past, but seriously? I don't even care if she lies, it's ridiculous that our character who had "cared" for her conveniently forgot to ask and maybe learn the truth.
How Kafka connected with Tingyun? Aside Phantiliya form, or just basic "don't care" from them (they criminals after all), SH group probably doesn't even know anything about her. Because if they knew, Fu Xuan will be know too after speaking with Kafka.
@@dargenflame2500 Well she could have known AFTER the fact. She's in contact with the leader, this Elio guy who I'm pretty knows the truth. Kafka just needed to know what was required for that mission and what to be passed on to Fu Xuan. Everything after is practically unknown, except for Dan Heng confronting Blade.
But ever if she didn't know anything, why not still let us ask? Even if she doesn't know, I just find it a little irritating that the option just wasn't there to begin with. Why wouldn't our character not be curious of the possibility that Tingyn could be alive?
@@starflame34 elio know the possibilities of future which he need. If he doesn't know or didn't tell, that means it's doesn't matter to his plan. Or otherwise, it's something that they shouldn't know, for now. I don't understand why we need have option to question Kafta about foxian. I was more curious about Sampo back then cause before appearance Sam in trailer, I thought Sam is Sampo. And again, I was pretty sure Kafka didn't know either because they didn't still didn't leave ship, which I assume they don't receive new information from Elio. Which means, this question from MC doesn't have any sense, since we don't get a piece of information, not truth, nor lie. (Only basic "Yes No" I think)
@@starflame34 sry for bad English
it doesn't matter if she's the fake or og tingyun, she is still a phantiylia vessel when we first met her. All we knew as a mc, she's just our tour guy or a third party between us and other xianzhou luofu commissioner. It makes sense how phantiylia disguising herself as the middleman just to watch everything, but we as the player "oh man fox mommy" she doesn't need to have a character development, she's just there to create destruction.
If you think yukong didn't care about tingyun, she wouldn't even care to saw her dead ass flying out in starskiff.
keep in mind, in 1.2 we actually learnt about yukong backstory. Spoilers alert if you didn't playthrough yukong story quest, we actually left yukong standing in front of the spaceship gate view. she told us she wants to take a break and reminiscing about the past, but ironically she's also still standing there in 1.3. she just lost her companion and remembering her past memories, on the same place. We know her character is supposedly to be the "I'm serious and busy everytime"
Cleary she didn't need to say anything else, the silent said enough.
you should playthrough all companion quests in the right order, the jingliu quest actually explained everything that happened between dan heng, jing yuan and blade.
Her close friends, her family are aware she's gone. Only some people who's not familiar with her are saying she could be alive. I'ts honkai after all, they kill people for no reason. Always has been.
@@odinonion4619 that's usually reserved for NPCs. Tingyun is a playable character. Remember cocolia? There's references in the game outside of her quests that tells us she's dead: serval's companion quests, belobog museum event, a loading screen and a freakin' in-game achievement if you kill cocolia boss as serval. I don't know why somehow the game won't do the same for tingyun after like 3-4 patches now. Yukong could've mourned tingyun's loss in 1.5 heliobus event.. but she only talked about caiyi. The game is actively not telling us tingyun is dead.
There's hints of a follow up to her story if an entity we have yet to meet in the story, the whistling flames guild, are literally retracing her steps. It's not over yet. Mihoyo made it look that way by raising the questions and doubts about the real tingyun and simultaneously ignoring the quest and moving on to a different major arc, while hoping we don't notice.
I was shock when the neck scene happen, but then is like the game keep tale me , Dont worry she could be alive or maybe she wanst alive or exist ...
We interact with her for most of 5 min, we dont have a quest for her , now she in this limbo and she never appear in events .... and i know people dont want to play her
Is like have Aerith in party afte the iconic scene .
This could been a NPC not a playbel charater
The pain in that scream...
Fox mommy was treated by devs how she's treated in game.... constantly attacked....right down to the character
makes sense since we didnt know the real version of her (narrative disaster)
however it seems we are gonna be CONSTANTLY going back to the ships seeing as we haven't gained a hunt path nor have we learned about the other ships which is odd if they're supposed to help us but we only know one ship.
I feel we'll keep coming back, get lore, and move on or at least I hope so just to learn more about the inhabitants of the hunt and the jing liu plan
If I’m remembering correctly we were separated from tingyun right after we got out of the loading bays. After we talked to yukong the trail team went and rested and she went to work then she acted suspiciously the rest of the time. It’s why I figured she wasn’t tingyun when we talked to one of the Sanctus medicus people. I didn’t know phantalia was a heliobus and if that’s true she could’ve entered the loufu on a different person then took over tingyun. Everyone is saying that she got taken over when she was away but I feel like she was taken over on the loufu. If this is somehow plausible it shows the story was rushed probably due to an over hyping of the game
I see a lot of people pointing to the scent mini game as the moment she was taken. Cause “her scent trail disappeared.”
The reason her Trail disappeared is because she went over a bridge that hung above the Ship bay. The game even says how “The drafts blew away her scent.”
Also, even in the moment you meet Tingyun she didn’t seem to bothered by the Mara-Struck guards closing in. Hell. She just casually called you over for aid as if it was a mild inconvenience.
It just doesn’t seem plausible that she was swiped up after the player gets there.
@@XgoSolo we could give her calm attitude to the Mara struck because of the travels she went on when she was working and such. I wouldn’t be surprised if she hadn’t gotten used to having to deal with monsters of ruffians when she’s traveling around the system. I don’t remember the scent game all to well that’s why I didn’t mention it. But hey it’s just a theroy, a gacha theory thanks for reading
Fu xuan she has some info about tingyun after doing the quest you can talk too Yukong Jingyuan Fu xuan and other members of the ten lords commission who can tell you about her but what I saw after speaking master fu xuan she mentioned something about the original and tingyun and if they switched bodies or something with phantylia tbh the original has to be alive if to occupie a clone otherwise the clone would be broken like shattered glass
I am curious as to what the leaks will reveal about the four tailed Foxian. A lot of the character’s design points to some ascended Ting Yun.
Like if the leaks prove true, i really want to know what story they will make for her.
It’s the video that was teased in the discord!!!
Someone called the videos production into question and I had to do it to em.
@@XgoSolo true…
It's ok man, just let it out
My reaction to her death: What?...well whatever
I still coundnt believe that the same studio wrote Firefly and Tingyun.
One is straight up killed for shock value, no build up no nothing, just walk up, zoom in (in case you can't see clearly that she ded), SNAP?, are you guys surprise? We got chu huh huh?
Then came one of the best character in game (yes we barely know her) In such a short time this writer made us care for her, got a song dedicated to her, than BAM, GOT U.
Hell the whole Luofu is a slog fest dumpster. I felt FUN for the first time after many months of just loggin in and drag myself through daily. Can't wait for the next chapter seriously.
the thing is, we don't even know FOR SURE if tingyun is dead, in the same way that there are suspicious details about firefly as well. The only difference is tingyun is playable and firefly isn't, at least at the time during the scenes where they "died". Sure a funeral is a plot device used to provide closure to a dead character, but is it really a closure when yukong doesn't accept it and is still planning to set out to search for her? We also have the whistling flames guild searching for her, an entity we have yet to meet in the game. What about fu xuan telling us the tingyun we met since we arrived was already fake? Fu xuan also says she doesn't know if tingyun is dead or alive despite having her divination capability.
At the very least, these details raise suspicions that warrant a follow up story to discuss them. It only looked like a sure thing because mihoyo just casually moved away from the luofu storyline without bothering to address these questions they raised. I almost expect us to return to luofu after we finished the penacony arc early summer. One reason is there is an inaccessible area in luofu. I don't see how they're still keeping that locked for some reason unless if it's supposed to be the location of a new story quest or event
I’m still not convinced she died
She is said to still be "alive" because it was mentioned that was not the real tingyun or something
@@nitroblaze6696 ya I know and that’s why I’m saying I’m not convinced she’s dead. Plus they didn’t find her body so there’s that too
I can't wait for playable phantilia to come out 🙏
This is what a death of a former wife does to a former minor
But yeah I completely agree, the story was too good for them to destroy the narrative.
Fire video, Can't wait to see more analyses like this on the channel!
There's a lot of debate about the High Cloud Quintet so maybe that could be an interesting topic to do next
Imma be real with you chief, I never even heard of the High Cloud Quintet. I'll have to look into em.
@@XgoSolo you might wanna clear the jingliu quest to get a glimpse of their past
I. Did.
Both of em.
I actually thought the moment Tingyun's neck snaps and Phantyllia is introduced is effective. It was only after that, while considering the implications that I realised the plot was bullshit. Like you say... we never knew the real Tingyun. Even in-game dialogue casts doubt on her veracity. We do get it confirmed that she was real... but wow, such a missed opportunity. Pinpointing the moment lovely Tingyun became Phantyllia could have been such a fun game if this was done properly.
It makes me a bit sad, actually. Because I actually really like the Xianzhou lore and a lot of the characters. And I like Phantyllia conceptually (plus she had an amazing design and boss theme), but there was no emotional build up like on Jarilo.
Ever since Kafka and Silver Wolf mentioned Lord Ravagers on Herta Space Station, I've wanted to encounter one, and Phantyllia didn't disappoint, but they could have built up the reveal so much better, and fixing Tiangyun would have been a big part of that.
On snap, this video is good
I think the twist worked fine in the moment, it just unravels when you look back at it and try to figure out what happened where. As far as there being no narrative reason for Tingyun to have been a real person, having her be an Amicassador from the Luofu essentially gives her access and apparent motivation that a newcomer wouldn't provide... like Luocha. So it's not accurate IMO to say there was no narrative reason for her to be a 'real' person. But she was not developed much beyond being two plot devices in a trench coat. At the same time, I think we can assume there was a real Tingyun at some point, because while Phantylia is probably more likely than other Destruction types to play the long game, getting herself installed as Tingyun in the first place would mean decades of hiding and pretending, if not centuries. Much easier to believe she possessed Tingyun either before the story started or during that weird Diting bit where she disappeared and we lost the scent temporarily.
As for Yukong... I dunno, in another dialog at a different point she says she doesn't believe Tingyun is actually dead and intends to keep searching for her, so maybe she didn't mention Tingyun during the 'goodbye' because that was already in the script.
Awwww hell yea. I LOVE fridging characters and then coping beyond belief in the comment section about "na bro she'll be back" as if doing that doesnt somehow make the writing WORSE in the long run if they do it that way.
hahaha, so true, maybe years later they would start to process their 5 stages of grief.
Man this channel so underrated
Total hard agree man, it was just jarring and then was just barely addressed after (in my opinion)
ps: Changed my Pfp but im still here for the content baby! woo!
Character death in my Space Comedy game. 🫠
I like her design and was so excited when I pulled her. Only to be met with this in the story. Justice for Tingyun smh
I just think about it sometimes, how cool it would've been if we got to know the real Tingyun only for the next time we see her to feel off because it's just not her anymore.
Good video!
This is a concept I refer to as "Made to be Mourned" where a character who is very friendly and helpful to the main character is killed off for cheap shock value, it's the easiest and in my opinion worst way you can up the stakes and make a villain easy to hate. Death as an aspect of story telling should be treated with respect, to kill a character is a major decision that should have huge ramifications for everyone that knew them. It should be a major plot point, it should not be glossed over, it should not be treated like a minor inconvenience. Himekos death in Honkai Impact 3rd is an amazing example of death done right, Himeko sacrificed herself willingly to save her student, using the one thing that could have saved her life to instead save someone elses. Tingyun was killed for nothing, because of nothing, it accomplished nothing, and it meant nothing. This is the patch where I stopped playing the game.
Cope and Seethe (Your video was actually a very good analysis and I enjoyed it)
I think that ruan mei is the daughter of serval as they both use a form of guitar XD. 5:36
Imagine if black swan appeared after finishing the story of xianzhou 😭
any honkai third vet would already know not to take what they give at face value
Pal, I know how you feel.
I feel that you really missed all the hints in the story tbh. There were several times in which she acted really weird, especially when discussion immortality, refering to the Ambrosial Harbor or anything related to abundance.
I still find this the ONLY 'bad' thing on the HSR plot so far, but let's just assume that hoyoverse is cooking something behind the scenes. Either she comes back as a real villain and trailblazer with luofu friends will help her gain redemption, or come back as the 'real' Tingyun herself.
But for HSR to be this non-spoken about the mystery of her current state (And with the heliobi event about phantylia...) I think it will take quite a WHILE for any real explanation since Penacony is right around the corner.
Personally I think it IS quite realistic that the express crew can't dwell on this as they too have an invitation on the penacony to go to. But if you talk to Yukong, she too says that she can't use all the funds of the guild just to search for her, and all of Tingyun's closest juniors and friends are currently searching for clues about her the day she arrived at the Luofu until the day she left everyone hanging. (The eerie part is that no one really saw it coming. Was she replaced? Was she just some thrown in char for the plot? I can't tell what and how they'll tell the narrative about this one, but I AM excited if ever we go back to Luofu again.)
only bad? pela became 16 years old suddenly
The death wasn't sad. It just came surprising, especially with that Neck crack
6:21 LMAO BRUH THIS IS KILLING ME
Provided hot fanarts tho
Think about what you're about to say. . .
100% agree. It feels like that scene is there uniquely for the shock value.
Imo the only way they could make it worse was if in the end the real Tingyun wasn't actually dead. Since at least for now they raised the stakes and have shown that they likely can kill off a playable character (which I thought they never would because of the players' backlash).
This part imo is not even the worse one of the Loufu storyline. Maybe it was because of the time between each update, but I found the entire "Dan Heng unforgivable sin" to be needlessly cryptic and with a weak payoff.
they kill a playable character in their other games (hi3rd and ggz) but the differents is in their other games, the character death is actually mean something, it have an impact on the story, that moment is also feels more important because after the thing happen, the other characters doesnt instantly forget about it, those dead actually serve as a good set up for the mc.
meanwhile tingyun dead is just excatly like what you said, just for the shock value.
Me when my mother dies without telling me or without having an impact to the people around her (deaths arent a plot relevance just happen)
I am so happy I'm inclined to do 3 backflips off the iffel tower
Can I join in? I hear Tingyun is at the bottom.
@@XgoSolo for sure I heard she wanted to go see some new species called "French people" I think it's a hoax
I gotta see this for myself bro.
Didn't think Solo would actually do it 😂
But I did.
I’m not proud of it, but I did.
i mean we are kinda heart less that was shown in belebog with bronyas mothers death
you mean March?
@odinonion4619 na I mean us cause march blurted shit out then we didn't go other to comfort bronya after we literally killed her own mother infront of her and then we just tell her play it as we never here
Yeah baby that's what i have waiting for
If we get a 5 star tingyun at the end of all this I'd be so bricked up tho
I believe we will get a 5 star tingyun, but it won't be the real her.
@@odinonion4619 eh?
Well well well, seems like Hoyo never learned after killing off Himeko from HI3RD in a shameless and rushed fashion. Just solely for the sake of Kiana's character development.
the luofu was probably and will probably be hsr's worst story quest
I think she is going to come back; while Welt's initial belief circumstances pointed to her not being present to die is just an initial hypothesis, the fact that the entire next interlude chapter of the story is essentially giving us more background on Phantylia, where she comes from, and how she likely feels about Nanook isn't a coincidence. Nor is that we're very early on shown that a heliobus doesn't have to be in somebody's body to interact with us in their form. My suspicion is that Phantylia does not actually like killing people and goes to considerable lengths to avoid resorting to doing it personally, and gets away with this via an outward expression of extreme malice that's common enough for a heliobus to pull off. She wanted the Ambrosial Arbor because she wanted to try making a body the Destruction couldn't kill: she failed. At a minimum, killing Tingyun before that would be a waste. And I think Welt's right that she'd get more enjoyment out of producing the same results as if she'd killed somebody without actually doing anything physical: heliobi seem to viscerally enjoy how much they can naturally mess with mortal perceptions.
Granted, the problem is we still don't have a clearly written final state for the story, so the same reasoning applies to Signora's death in Genshin Impact: she had no real reason to still be where she was, everything we've previously heard about her suggested her initial response to our arrival should be to just walk out, and things we've heard about her since that point suggest she had considerable foreknowledge, was in no way surprised at our arrival, and quite likely accepted that duel expecting to lose it. However, we've also since received some implications that while she was entirely willing to serve the Tsaritsa's goals she also saw that service as having distinct limits... and we've gotten the impression at least half the Harbingers have thought out some "bug out and make sure there's no pursuit" plans... and as usual in that storylines we never ask an archon the right questions when we get the chance to (consider how differently parts of Sumeru's storyline might have gone had we taken the chance to ask Morax why in a world where computerized banking was already practical to introduce he invented Mora and the disciplines of accounting and economics instead and he had explained their real purpose) and if the Raiden Shogun had in fact already agreed to provide unimpeachable evidence of Signora's death it wouldn't even occur to her to ever mention this to us without our asking... and we get a similar situation. Signora could have accepted her destined fate to die there, she could have faked her death, she could actually have worked out a way to come back - something which for other reasons would be a huge motivating factor - and deliberately died under circumstances mandating her resurrection or reincarnation. Since we don't have the full story clearly laid out ahead of time, it's hard to tell what was originally part of it.
Bro is still upset about his waifu getting killed without a clear explanation and welts copium assesment.
I honestly un-installed the game because of this poorly written story, Tingyun was done dirty, you can call me a simp, but that's not the point, it's simply my opinion, and needed Penacony to forget what happened, and still it bothers me lol
The mystery we will never solve
Honestly. I’d give it three months.
@@XgoSolo so you're gonna jinx it now?
We was a great char
And they just kill her off
Like himeko in hi3
typical honkai experience
I would be ok if she died
but she didn’t die she probably died and I despise that lack of certainty
but it would be funny if the “real” tingyun was actually just aha in disguise all along
Well she is not dead after all... It's pretty basic, like characters saying goodbye without knowing truth, to comeback character in (usually) critical moment. Even in game they make funeral only because they believe it's very little chance to her survive because of Antimatter legion. It's like instead of killing, kidnapping characters in moment. Only problem I have here is too short time which we spend with her. But it's kinda understandable since while we come to ship, she already was possessed (will be bad to get know Tingyun better, just to realize after that wasn't her at all, which makes all progression lost in vein).
I like how Genshin mastered the Fontaine Archon Quest and the death of Focalors and made a masterpiece and then did not like how Star Rail flopped Tingyun's death and the entirety of the Xianzhou arc so hard that they made one of the worst writing in fiction.
And yes, this is the same Genshin that completely flopped La Signora's death and the Inazuma Archon Quest
cus fun fact: these writers who wrote the Xianzhou Arc are the same guys who wrote the Inazuma Archon Quest and were finally fired after the Jingliu Companion Quest
Sounds like hoyoverse alright
Edit: seems I can't find a conformation about those writers being fired anymore so it might be fake news but I hope it's true in Penacony Arc and afterwards
How did you know that they were fired? Source?
Hey tectone is Sterling your context ... and somehow exdent to half a hour
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imo this is how it went/will go:
Phantylia takes control of Tingyun before we arrive
She’s a heliobus and slowly gains more control of Tingyun through the story.
She prob takes Tingyun’s actual body to another planet we’ll visit later. (She either controls Tingyun to go there or teleports her which they’ve already done-ish sort of a stretch but possible)
Makes a copy of Tingyun like how there were 2 Bailus in the event and sacrificed the fake one.
We will find Tingyun later in the story and that’s the twist ig
womp womp
So.... You believe Tingyun dead for good or No? 😂
If she is, a lot of plot points exist that had no reason to.
If she’s not, then it was a cheep cop out death, but the plot can be saved.
It’s a tough situation.
@@XgoSolo lose lose situation it seems.
But hoping for playable character to be alive is make sense for me.
Me at least 😂
I mean xianzhou story overall was just extremely bad. The whole plot with dan heng is so ass i m surprised it's even real. We get some water spirits talking about how bad he is then boom cutscene. No actual set up, nothing. And it's so hard to understand why they are so mad because we simply do not feel the thousands of years of history being ruined, hell even the map was lacking. The only saving grace was the greatest general and luocha, I digged yanqing but I think he should have get a win at some point.
Tingyun story is like Luocha in honkai star rail. It still a mystery or so many missing pieces that need to gather together. There are so many speculations because devs not hire a better story writer. We need to watch youtubers to understand the whole story.
HIMEKO WILL LIVE HIMEKO WILL LIVE HIMEKO WILL LIVE HIMEKO WILL LIVE HIMEKO WILL LIVE HIMEKO WILL LIVE. HIMEKO. WILL. LIVE.
also with the newest event, after ruan mei *poisons* the mc and they have to slaughter a bug that threatens the entire station, she is just forgiven?
They are gonna sell the character. They don't shit the place where they eat.
While I agree mostly with this (along with Luofu story content just...being boring, sped through, and I hope they learn better story pacing for Penacony), saying that it goes from Tingyun's death to a tonal whiplash of Belobog story arc is either a lie or glazes over the fact that there was a story patch where we help mourn for Tingyun for about 30 minutes.
I know 30 minutes isn't a long time in the grand scheme of things, but for a non-main character on the Express, it's a LOT of time. A lot of people shat on that patch because that's literally all the story was, but the Tingyun reveal/subsequent follow up could have been a LOT worse.
The Luofu story arc has major issues that go beyond Tingyun, and I think your opinion of her not being popular is probably because it wasn't as bad as you make it out to be.
The problem is that her death was purely for shock factor and didn't add to or change the story in any meaningful way. A 30 minute mourning scene is just all we get and then they move on from that like it doesn't matter.
@@raiden8063 Yep. It's the kind of story which ages poorly. The more you think about it, the worse it gets. However, hoyoverse really likes to toy with death itself as a product. I'd not surprised if we get a five star Tingyun in a robot zombie body. They can kill characters easily and revive them easily. It would be like a trump card to get attention/profit if they needs it.
Agreed. It was a very weird way to handle the character, and a playable one at that. If they're gonna kill off a playable character, I expect it to be handled WAY better than this... so I'm hoping she's just away on vacation and will come back and be like ". . . what do you mean you held a funeral?!"
It'd be a good comedy if she comes back at her funeral. It's too late for that.
All I can say is this was worth the wait. Excellent vid
Imma be honest bro. I think this video is bad.
*chocking* wtf?
well at least she dies for the memes
Well .. Yukong just need therapy
That chick has seen it all at this point lmao
I am so glad someone finally called out the Luofu for being so shit. I generally like the writing in Star Rail; Belobog was good, character quests are all great, the events are fun but THIS one? Nah. Too many plot twists without context, pointless characters, bad pacing, absolutely emotionally disconnected final boss... I really hate it, the only good part about it was when you interrogate Kafka and get to know why the Stellaron Hunters do what they do. Thankfully, I feel like since the Luofu story wrapped up - we've been getting much better story content so I have high Hope's for the future but hey... I guess at least it's not as bad as Liyue, amirite?
My brother in Christ Tingyun was an Acquaintance. You aren’t supposed to feel bad anymore than well someone just got their neck snapped in front of me…And because the trailblazers are nice people we help out with and attend the funeral. I really don’t understand why people care. Your little Fox waifu died. Cope harder. People die and her death doesn’t need to have any special meaning to the trailblazer. The meaning is to the characters that knew her. The universe doesn’t revolve around you.
Then why is the trailblazer the main character? By your logic, we don't need to meet any of the characters. We should just complete our mission and move on to the next planet. What people want is for her death to have at least meant something for the story.
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I don't mind if she died. Why? Because for now she is not important character. If choice be mine, for Genshin Impact i killed 70% of characters, because they just useless for main story or even for world building. Such characters can be killed without blink of the eye, and create some suspence and drama. Only way they can be used.
you do that in a gacha game, you hit EoS before your first anniversary lol There's a reason most gacha games refrain killing playable characters. That's where the money comes from. Killing them will remove the attachment from the player, which is a pretty important factor why they would even spend money to roll for them in the first place
@@eeveeritt15 Honkai Impact killed many characters. In Elysys arcs many characters just already dead. And they playable. It's not something special.
@@Billy_Bat1993 I haven't played HI3 but players who did told me that those characters were from a different time/timeline and so were already dead before being a playable. It hits different with a character who is alive in the present timeline only to be killed in real time later on in the story. The only real dead playable character in HSR right now is xueyi but she was always like that as far as we knew.
@@eeveeritt15 don't worry. Saoji killed many characters for HI3. And now he is here for HSR.
@@Billy_Bat1993 i still think it's an important nuance between "already dead" vs "killed later". If I'm playing with already dead characters, it's like playing as a historical figure. I'm not sad Abe Lincoln died, even though his death was tragic since it's simply way before my time to have attachments.
Besides HI3 himeko, which playable character in HI3 was alive when released and then died later? Also, i kinda lied with saying "i haven't played HI3". I only played up to chapter 10 at this point. I only said I haven't played since I'm way behind enough that I'm still ignorant of the later chapters. HI3 himeko had a LOT of foreshadowing before chapter 9.. because I already knew she would die (from spoilers) so I was looking for clues instead. If you're talking about those two characters in penacony in the main quest, I'm not sold on their deaths at all. There's something suspicious about it, but we'll see.
To be clear, if an important NPC dies, I will be emotionally attached enough to feel sad but I can easily accept that since they're not playable. Playable characters are different imo especially in a gacha game.
The biggest question here is, why? Why we must be affevted by her death? There is no point of that, she died in the story for totally otherreasons than afrcting player, or his party (maybe excluding March, as she has big issues when it comes to topics of death), it affect other Lofu characters, and we was ther as 3rd party just looking at it from perspective of newcomers to this world...
It's just differernt writers try to screw each other. Nothing new.
Tingyun 5 star when
hi ^u^ i love you >n