Sullivan & Steidten disagree over West Ham manager | Lopetegui talks confirmed by top journalist
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Geo & Frankie discuss reports from Jacob Steinberg that David Sullivan and Tim Steidten are in disagreement over the next West Ham United manager, to replace David Moyes. The Chairman prefers Julen Lopetegui whilst the Sporting Director prefers Sportings Rúben Amorim
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West Ham have held productive talks with the former Wolves manager Julen Lopetegui over replacing David Moyes this summer.
Lopetegui, who has been out of work since last summer, has been on West Ham’s radar for several months and made a strong impression during discussions over the job. A final decision has not been made and there are alternative options to the 57-year-old Spaniard, who has spoken to Milan about replacing Stefano Pioli.
Have a little guess as to whether this was taken before or after West Ham’s match at Crystal Palace.
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Rúben Amorim, the highly rated Sporting manager, flew to London for talks with West Ham’s co-owner, David Sullivan, on Monday. Intermediaries have also advanced the case of the Lille manager, Paulo Fonseca, who was interviewed by Sullivan in 2018.
Lopetegui is yet to gain universal approval within West Ham, with some at the club of the view that the former Real Madrid, Sevilla and Spain manager is not the right fit and that a younger manager is needed. But there are doubts over whether West Ham, who are set to part company with Moyes when his contract expires at the end of the season, are prepared to pay Amorim’s buyout clause of €15m (£13m).
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What's the point of Sullivan appointing Steidten if he can't entrust him to make his own appointment for Head Coach?
Cos he's a interfering poison dwarf!
Sully just wants a manager on the free/out of contract. he doesnt have hindsight to pay a fee for a good manager/ head coach
One shops at Marks and Spencers; Sullivan poundland.
Cos Sullivan needs/has to show he is in control and knows best?
Exactly
Typical West ham, window shop at Harrods, actually shop at Lidl.
😂
Their own version of Cadburys Dairy milk is bloody good tbf
@@lewis4929so is their ketchup and £2+ cheaper than heinz
Nothing wrong with Lidl
99p store !!
If Sullivan actively prevents Steidten from doing his job, and he brings Lopetegui in, I don’t think I can back him. Never thought I’d say something like that, but I’m sick of being jerked around by this club. “Careful what we wish for” We were promised things from the board to get on board with them moving to the LS. They lied. All we’ve been ‘wishing for’ is what we’ve been promised. Lopetegui is giving the fans the middle finger and I won’t support that.
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If they dont listen to Tim then i have no excitment for next season tbh. If sully picks we lose our best players and we get a mid finish. Disappointing!
What is the point of supporting this club anymore? Run like an an absolute circus
I've actually had enough now. The whole club is a waste of time, shit owners and shit manager appointments creating a shit team and shit style of play, the only thing that's west ham is the kit and fans, if sully fucks us over again, I'm done with this football club under these people, haven't watched since he threw the Liverpool cup game been going to watch my local non league it's more entertaining and fulfilling day out.
Mate we have always been run like a circus it's in our DNA and the beauty of it. Enjoy the free ticket.
@@Sp1NNN023It's gonna be the cheapest option possible as manager Lopetigui is nailed on to be next manager yet more awful football
But the club stooge said it weren’t so
@@punkrockherb It's not going to be anyone decent it never ever is
Sullivan has and ALWAYS will be the biggest obstacle at our club. Things like Moyes, the stadium etc etc are mere distractions. It will ALWAYS come back to Sullivan. His mindset will never change cos he harbours an ambition of nothing more than steady premier league safety. Anything beyond that will require an increase in money he has to spend and he does not wanna do that. He simply wants to be the prestige of owning a premier league club. Nothing more and nothing less. To maintain that he will embrace mediocrity, a pair of safe hands, steady, efficient, reliable etc. He harbours ambition for nothing more than that which is why I simply don't care anymore. He owns the club and nothing I do, say, want or feel will make the slightest difference and I just don't need that kind of eternal frustration. Maybe other fans feel the same?
Sullivan will get his way. Unless Tim changes his surname to Silkman or Salthouse then he is flogging a dead horse cos it seems those two characters are the only ppl Sullivan listens to. If I was Tim I would cut my losses, get out and leave Sullivan to it. Stop wasting your time cos your knowledge, intelligence and know how is simply being wasted on someone like Sullivan. Save your sanity and just go somewhere where you can do your job to the fullest.
Lopetugi as an appointment just leaves me cold. Amorin was always a massive long shot but at least it showed ambition. Sullivan gets rejected by him and he immediately retreats to his default. No doubt accompanied with his hands raised in an apologetic posture and the phrase "well I did try" primed and ready to deliver. It's like asking the hottest looking woman at the club for a dance, getting rejected and then settling for the one with a slight tache and a noticeable dandruff problem. Take a chance, it fails so just return to safety and tried and trusted. Rinse and repeat. He will NEVER EVER change and because of that we will NEVER fulfil any potential we have as a club.
David Sullivan pays people to give him suggestions he can ignore.
"Ah David I have just Ze man, heir Amorim ist ein humdinger!" " yeah that's great Tim, but this Lopperwotsit fella is cheap..."
@@DC-uf6ve😄😄😆..... "Ze schweindhund little leprechaun David eez as deaf as ze post!"
😂😂😂😂😂@@celtichammer2847
Sully says NO to progress. What a surprise!
David Sullivan doesn’t know a dickie bird about football and the players, and coach, we need,, with him it’s all about a shilling
Get sullivan gone. Had enough of this. Whole lot of them but steidten need to be scrapped. I want new owners willing to invest, manager that plays attacking football and can utilise our academy, not this bullshit
Knew this would happen, the little tin pot general cant resist poking his nose in. Won't be long before Tim throws the towel in and walks.
Agreed, and then Moyes signs on for a further 3 years.
Bloody Nightmare 😱
I'll be walking away from the club also if sully don't do the right thing, had enough of... Carry on football club
you knew the club would interview managers?
Little hobbit can’t help it
True to form Sullivan going the cheapest no compo option.
Tight hobbit that he is, never going to change acts like del boy how he made money is a mystery.
Are you telling me that Sully wants the unemployed former Wolves manager who was fired because he was poor and therefore cheap. Rather than the younger slightly untested guy who will cost several million to get from their current club?
Im shocked. Shocked i tell you.
Tbf he wasn’t sacked due to being poor, was due to transfers (lack of)
Several million? Hmm, £15 million release clause plus a bumper contract of about €15-20 million, not including backroom staff. That's a £40 million outlay over three to four years.
Not exactly 'several' million, is it?
@512Squared Did you read or see that online?
Well, it must be true.
@@ian0143 that's your polite way of asking where the data came from? Or your way of telling me that YOU don't let facts get in the way of a beloved narrative?
BBC did an excellent article on club finances a month or so ago, with a very in depth break down across several metrics. I was pleasantly surprised how well West Ham are doing. Second to Brighton I'd say, accepting that the top 6 are still the highest earners, but not the best leveraged when it comes to debt.
@@ian0143 ah, thought you were referring to another comment I wrote. Again though, the information is widely available on salaries, and assuming next person will be on a little more than David Moyes, then about £40 million is the sum across the length of the contract.
If Sullivan get his way Tim may as well walk no point him being there if he can’t do the job he’s paid to do.
I would have thought Jack Sullivan would have had some influence over Sully Snr's decision, just by virtue of being his son. That might sound silly, but in the past Sully has signed players Jack/Dave Jnr has recommended.
Im not by any means saying this is a good strategy, but I imagine his sons would fancy a younger more exciting prospect like Amorim. Sullys choices are always going to be dated and 5 years behind the times, hence lining up Benetiz last year. Looks like we are going down the Pellegrini route again.
He will say we tried then bring in Benitez
If true board must tell sullivan to back down for the good of the club,and stop trying to keep moyes .
Is this a Sullivan con job again
You hit the nail on the head 100% Geo regarding Sullivan. If only he would just let Tim S do his job. But you know he isn't going to let go.
He's a control freak, small men normally are and he needs to have a manager/coach who he can control 😂 why do these clubs always look at failed managers/coach to fill the place of failed managers/coaches 😱
Think you are wrong to suggest fans will be fully behind any new manger. After Moyes, this appointment needs to inspire people. It also hinges on the type of players that new manager would want to work with, should he be interested in the likes of Maguire that would be a disaster. The new manager also needs to show he can and will give Youth a chance.
You can be behind the manager but also unhappy with the choice, however.
@@HammersChat True to a degree but if Sullivan does his usual thing of plying it safe we will end up with Daid Moyes 2.0 The point im trying to make is that appointing someone in that mold (Lopetegui/Benitez etc) wouldn't excite people to the point they would simply back him and be fully behind him just because he's the new boss. There has to be a reason to get behind him and be excited for the future. I've been Moyes out for a long time but I don't want to just settle for anyone. Simple thing is to let Tim do I'm thing, it's Sullivan that worries me.
I agree Geo. A million quid for Dawson? A steal. I think he’d have helped us to finish 7th. Aguerd has been checked out for months. I think we need two new CB’s to be European contenders again.
Steidten wears Scarf once.
West Ham Fans: Scarfman.
Tbf it’s a bit of a joke on here
Sully.... If we need advice on Strap-ons and Butt Plugs we'll come to you.... When it comes to manager advice can you please leave the F**king work to Steidten.... Cheers 👍👍👍
Spot on Geo, I don’t trust Sully at all with how he will handle the coming situation. Let Steident do his job and watch it shine. Bayer is a perfect example
Sully is nothing more than a tin pot Napoleon
Every.Single.Time.
Tin pot is being generous, I'd say more piss pot.
@@user-nm8my2et7cyou get it
Thiago Motta should be on the shortlist.
He's in work tho so that will never happen, but yh should be 🤷♂️
Lopeteigui ffs, like others have said let Tim do his thing, if we appoint this guy it’s so depressing for me, might as well keep moyes
Frankie should be here to stay, both compliment each other very well ⚒️ great video mate
If you want to fill your pockets with money, talk to Sullivan ,,,if you want to find a new head coach and players talk to Tim
I can see Steitden walking if Sullivan keeps interfering.
Why does the next manager have to be statement signing? If Leverkusen had that attitude Alonso would still be at Zaragoza B.
A decidedly underwhelming appointment if it happens..
Just leave Scarfy Boy, you might as well. Our owner doesn't know when he's into a good thing, the absolute waster.
Sullivan doesn't understand why Tim doesn't want Rapha Benitez 🤷♂️
All arrows shud be lineing up at sullivan here lopashite is his spanish Moyes,Tim may aswell go whats the point of him.Sully and silkman will be signing the players.
As a fellow Scottish Hammers fan, I love that top Geo. Where did you get it? Link perhaps? Ta
I like Frankie's assessment of WH, Moyes "no fear of loosing", new manager, Sulivan, Tim and squad.
My money on Foncesa
Great point re Ange , we in Australia knew he was something special but he just needed that opportunity
Good to have frankie on here, watched his stuff before, good to hear he will be a regular Contributor going forward
We basically rely on some average squad with a few couple quality players and one exceptional in the squad at any given time. I’d like to see an updated version of this model with the “average” players coming from our academy however. Keep everything else as is. Sell the paqueta an kuduss after two three years, buy new talent and repeat.
Most shocking part of the video was Frankie saying sell Ben Johnson. Also the only thing I can't really get behind.
Tim the transfer Guru? he’s having problems with David Sullivan. Already ,,,Can you imagine what David Moyes , has had to put up with
Excellent discussion - can't disagree with any of that...but it never changes does it!
Good show tonight.
Keep both of you ❤
Always watched Frankie’s shows before and loved them pleased to see him back and I always value his well thought out arguments and opinions … nice to see you back mate hopefully a little more regular
Great video, enjoyed Frankie as a guest
Geo I really would like HC to do a video on Noble. I have been asking all season as i feel noble has a senior position as Sporting Director, approved by moyes, therefore he feels loyalty to moyes. However, we all hear he is a West Ham fan too so how can he accept the way moyes manages? I saw the interview with Warburton and the reason he left it was quite an eye opener. Noble should have the balls to speak out
probably a lil woke yes man to keep his job
Enjoyed the video guys, and no just because I agree with your views. I think if he wants to see the club progress, Sully must take a big step back and let the professionals do their thing. He still has a barrow-boy mentality.
Cheers Phil, what’s your thoughts on Lopetegu?
@@HammersChat Excuse me for cutting and pasting what I said on your Lopetegui video yesterday mate :)
'I got stupidly excited about the Amorim story as I think he really would take us to the next level. If he turns us down because he thinks he can do better there's nothing we can do about it. But if as I suspect the thing collapsed because Sullivan doesn't pay compensation for managers and was just paying lip service to keep Tim sweet, then things aren't changing at all. Is Tim just going to be Sully's beard? What's the point of bringing in class players and then skimping on the manager. The manager should be our most important signing. What was the famous World War 1 saying.... heroes led by donkeys. I don't want Lopetegui just because he isn't Moyes and he's unemployed (that should be a clue to Sully in itself)..'
Wouldn't sign Dawson for a mil? The bloke is a complete lunch.
Sullivan is really getting on my nerves now. The bloke is the reason we are regressing
If we can't get Amorim why has no one mentioned Edin Terzic at Dortmund and he knows the club
He’s been mentioned via the media but not for me
I think Dawson is a better defender than aguard as agauard is differently a liability
Is it riskier for the next manager to be towards a polar opposite of Moyes, given the squad and overhaul that would need to happen, than a tactical half way house that is solid and more attacking. Then in 3 years get the manager that will really take us forward. It's going to be quite a task with aging squad and losing Paq. Onwards and upwards.
Sign Frankie up, love listening to this guy 👍
Great video Geo & Frankie. I Just wanted to bring up some suggestions of managers I think we should target who are different & in my opinion better from Sullivan's boring choices:
• Francesco Farioli
• Sebastian Hoeneß
• Thiago Motta
• Will Still
• Marcelo Gallardo
Give me thoughts on Motta, I see a lot of hype but don’t watch Italian football, obviously I can SEE the results and how well he has done but style etc insights would be appreciated
@@HammersChat
From what I know he started off at Genoa & got sacked after 2 months & only 10 games into his first job.
After Genoa he took over at Spezia who were tipped for relegation. Despite operating under a transfer ban, he managed to keep them up, taking four points off Genoa in the process. By September 2022, he had taken over as Bologna’s head coach.
In his first season at Bologna he guided them to ninth - their highest league finish in more than a decade. After 29 games of the next campaign, he had the club in fourth place, improbably pushing for a Champions League spot.
In keeping Spezia up in his first full season as a head coach, Motta focused more on defensive aspects. At Bologna, he has since shown his preference for a possession-based style. In nearly two seasons with Bologna, his side has placed in Serie A’s top five for most passes per 90 minutes, while averaging 56 per cent possession.
Lopetegui would know how to use Aguerd and Mavro with Alvarez. Alvarez would drop as Half Back which he is in a build a play and we would have back 3 of Aguerd- Alvarez - Mavro which would get the best out of Aguerd and Mavro.
makes the Keystone Kops look like a well drilled outfit
Top quality as always Geo
And people think Moyes is the problem nothing will change till Sullivan goes
In Tim we trust,
In Moyes we're trussed
🤔
Hahahaha. Nice one!
I’d keep cornet to see him play out his skin as a big finger up to Moyes for ignoring him!!
Totally agree with Frankie when he says its not his job to pick the new manager. Moyes inners ask me a lot who would you replace moyes with then ? and i say its not down to me im not getting paid the big bucks to run the club as long as it is a progressive fresh man with a. attacking philosophy i dont care as long as moyes is moved on. As for Sullivan be nust canthelp himself . He has Stieden here and he still wants to stick his oar in to muxdy the waters . Like moyes he will never learn W⚓that he is.
I do wonder if we would be in a better position if Sullivan based every decision based on football manager... They have a better scouting knowledge and reach than the club have had for years, and it seems as though he doesn't listen to steiden too much anyway
Trouble is he has his trusted agents n will listen to them, because probably of back handers
So Will Still then? 😅
I would have taken Lopetegui before Moyes joined for his 2nd stint. Our problem now is that we have no Europe next season. No "top manager" is going to join us without Europe! As long as we have a coach who can take Timmys players and win a few games I´m ok with that. We need a massive rebuild and Lopetegui may be the man for a couple of seasons and hopefully get us back into Europe and THEN look at a "top manager"? Maybe?
Like these chats between Geo and Frankie. Keep it up.
a well-respected ITK on KUMB posted that Steidten only has the responsibility for negotiating player deals, nothing else but everyone seems to ignore this and keep thinking that Tim has full control over everything from playing philosophy to manager recruitment. He doesn't. Sullivan has has fingers all over the latter and, as we have seen, too much alleged influence over player incomings thanks to his agents.
I would re-sign Dawson now for £10million!! Anyone that says they wouldn't take him back for a million needs to give their head a wobble, or just didn't watch him play live enough.
How about Thiago Motta at Bologna? Getting them into CL is nothing short of sensational & without a single world class player
As long as Del Boy is in charge, we won't be achieveing anything.
The idea behind Tim S steering the club in the right direction was to stop Sullivan from making mistake after mistake and wasting millions.Sullivan is and always will be a disastrous owner.
Lopetegui would be an utterly deflating appointment.
Let Steidten cook... what was the point of bringing him in?
Personally disappointed Potter not being mentioned.
Thiago Motta from Bolgna for my money.
I thought the wages were the problem
Wonder what Noble is thinking, i get he says back Moyes he has to at mo, but he is also a fan surely he sees what we see 🙈 surely he is also in the ear n saying listen to Tim
Fonseca sounds a more realistic target and more preferable than Lopetigui. Fonseca may give the academy more opportunities.
Frankie was wavey bring him back on
One consideration for me is that I don't want a manager that feels he is bigger than West Ham. Moyes, Allardyce, Pelligrini to name a few (Amarim?), all give the impression that they are/were doing us a favour. Having a manager dismiss the club's history, style of play and size as insignificant likely isn't a good place to start. An open-minded, motivating man-manager who plays expansive football, with new ideas, advanced coaching and an eye on the academy development is my pick. Who that is? I don't know! But I bet Steidten does.
If you get lopatagie you'll be in a relegation fight, you need Fonseca in my opinion but I'm a VILLA fan so what do I know!
Yep well done you got a top geezer and good luck in the farmers league win it .
If you're a Villa fan I want you to know that we are considerably richer.... THAN YOW!!
now let's see you go & win the euro paint tin trophy.
@celtichammer2847 yep celtic are you the same geezer that before I got banned on whtid you were on too?
@@celtichammer2847 🤣🤣🤡🤡
Agreed Ps i envy you having a manager that plays decent football
love the prison duds man
25:45
What about our youngsters
Guys dont let us jump into hasty conclutions. We dont know whats really happening behind closed doors.
I strongly believe the Ruben Amorim Deal is not off. Excercise patience.
Sullivan out😅
so what players would you like "its not my job"
Moyes was behind purchase of JWP and Phillips. 😢
Agree entirely about Steidten being left to get on with his job - he’s more than shown enough in one year what he’s capable of and Sully should step back and let him do his job
Great show love to chat and fun game at the end but massive clear out needed I’d keep
Bowen kudus Johnson Areola Antonio Alvarez Coufal Emerson Paquetta Agerd
The rest to go - for what it’s worth ⚒
Sullivan wants to be careful, I can see Tim leaving if we was to hire another mercenary
Get will still in
There is a big difference between not getting a player you want and not getting the manager you want - if Tim doesn't get his man, I don't blame him for leaving.
He is hungry for the west ham job because he knows David Sullivan is a dolly, basically same situation with moyes and nothing is going to change, only the football alil but we would either go backwards or HOPEFULLY remain where we are
Long form more good than short form
Would have had Dawson back in January, all day long.
The special one! Is on his way
As long as Sullivan owns the club, all we will ever do is dream and wonder who is the next dinosaur manager.
Yesterday it was sullivan that didn't want Lopetegui now it's the opposite 😂
Great show Geo - always good to have Frankie on the show, think we all agree that Sullivan should have little as possible to do with running the club - his job is to pay the money - plus who is the mystery builder hammering away in the background???
Sullivan knocking Frankie’s door down imo
Just imagine if a new manager came in who could utilise the great youth players, blend them in with some.of our amazing squad and actually purchase a forward