It does kinda make ya feel boss when you go out for a Sunday morning group and a couple newer riders are complaining about how the bike is handling. You do a quick adjustment for them and it changes everything. It does get to me a little that most riders never mess with how much static sag the bike has. The geometry and physics of handling all begin there.
I am not the video editor, Dave Williams is. I have no doubt he will see your comment. We try many different approaches to meet as wide an audience as possible. Thank you for sharing.
Please could you do a road setup for the F3 , totally appreciate your school bike is now heavily modified but maybe the dealer would give you a stock one , be good advert for them watching your work , I’ve bought a years subscription but alas no f3 road stuff , and yes I appreciate you can’t cover every bike ,
Happy to help you with your F3 and stop suspension. Note that my forks are 100% stock with 5w in the rebound leg and 15w in the compression leg. Set static sag with the rear shock at 12-15mm when it is cold. COM at 1.5 turns out, rebound at 1.75 turns out would be approximate starting points.
Your every day rider does not have access to a nitrogen cylinder lines, pressure regulator regulator, hypodermic needle and schrader valve and several other special tools to service an older shock and certainly not a vacuum pump to induce new shock oil for modern shocks.
@@catalystreactionsbw But do I understand it correctly that the rear shocks wear out just as fast as the front and, in an ideal scenario, it needs to be serviced just as often?
@@denchua Rear shock need servicing at the same time as forks if both are adjustable. Non adjustable forks need to be serviced 2 or 3 times more frequently.
Hi Dave, My gladius 650 has 15W oil in the forks with progressive hyperpro springs. The amount of oil in it is advised by the workshop manual. The forks are not adjustable except for the rebound, i have turned rebound al the way out, still the fork bounces a second time when braking fairly hard. Any tips on this? (Oil and springs are 200km old) Also the rear shock is only rebound adjustable, i can clearly see that the rear sags more than the front when going over bumps.. but tightening rebound doesnt fix this.. the shock is 18000km's old. Any tips? Greetings, Keanu
@@kirollings1491 Is the owner's manual saying that all the way out on rebound is for harsher roads? If not, you may want to try doing two turns in on the forks. For the shocks, it may be that you have to get a stiffer spring as the shock is bottoming out for your weight.
Hi Keanu, Thanks for the email. Oil level is for everyone on the planet so I tend to find my own and we have a couple of videos to help you there based on travel used. HyperPro gives you oil viscosity and volume with their springs, so you can follow their recommendation. Your forks may have preload fork adjustment via caps and the rear shock has a step adjuster for preload also. for the rear shock, please review our video on static sag.
@@jaikanths875 actually, preload adjusters must be set to 3 turns in for it to be on standard measures (according to manual). But I find the forks to be very bouncy, that is why I turned the pre load all the way out. Even then the fork wil still bounce a second time after compression. I believe you are right on the rear shock, it does need a stiffer spring. However I might swap the whole shock for a complete adjustable shock. Thanks for your reply!
Ha! Some well inspired transitions on this one :D Also, it seems the more one can afford an expensive bike, the less one knows about its inner workings. Wonder how many other “Ducatistas” and the like are “rodeo-ing” around (whenever they rarely ride!) and would benefit from a pro suspension tune-up, but will never get near one...
don't be such a downer. this guy is enjoying a trackday out in the sun on his nice Italian superbike and seeking the expertise of Dave to make the best out of it.
That ending...
R, You pretty much nailed it.
D, That was the first adjustment.
Great clip of the Hulk inserted....well done
I like the editing now. Gives people like me with short attention spans some crumbs of entertainment.
It does kinda make ya feel boss when you go out for a Sunday morning group and a couple newer riders are complaining about how the bike is handling. You do a quick adjustment for them and it changes everything. It does get to me a little that most riders never mess with how much static sag the bike has. The geometry and physics of handling all begin there.
Thanks for paying it forward and a tip of my hat to you for that. And, you earned that disposition!
Hi, Dave.
I loved your serious style.
Do not follow the hype of „animation clips“ within your videos, please.
I am not the video editor, Dave Williams is. I have no doubt he will see your comment. We try many different approaches to meet as wide an audience as possible. Thank you for sharing.
I agree. I looked away for second then looked back, I thought I had accidentally clicked on another video!
It's a nice idea just don't over use it
Hi..you are good at tuning bikes..is there a list somewhere on tuning. Like if the bike does this ..do this to fix it?...keep up the great work
In regards to a checklist of pass/fail on suspension as a "cheat sheet" we do not have. it will be added to the list.
any plans to release the full video? :)
Please could you do a road setup for the F3 , totally appreciate your school bike is now heavily modified but maybe the dealer would give you a stock one , be good advert for them watching your work , I’ve bought a years subscription but alas no f3 road stuff , and yes I appreciate you can’t cover every bike ,
Happy to help you with your F3 and stop suspension. Note that my forks are 100% stock with 5w in the rebound leg and 15w in the compression leg. Set static sag with the rear shock at 12-15mm when it is cold. COM at 1.5 turns out, rebound at 1.75 turns out would be approximate starting points.
@@catalystreactionsbw thank you , much appreciated
Dave, why don't you have more videos on rear shocks and changing shock oil?
Your every day rider does not have access to a nitrogen cylinder lines, pressure regulator regulator, hypodermic needle and schrader valve and several other special tools to service an older shock and certainly not a vacuum pump to induce new shock oil for modern shocks.
@@catalystreactionsbw
But do I understand it correctly that the rear shocks wear out just as fast as the front and, in an ideal scenario, it needs to be serviced just as often?
@@denchua Rear shock need servicing at the same time as forks if both are adjustable. Non adjustable forks need to be serviced 2 or 3 times more frequently.
Hi Dave,
My gladius 650 has 15W oil in the forks with progressive hyperpro springs. The amount of oil in it is advised by the workshop manual. The forks are not adjustable except for the rebound, i have turned rebound al the way out, still the fork bounces a second time when braking fairly hard. Any tips on this? (Oil and springs are 200km old)
Also the rear shock is only rebound adjustable, i can clearly see that the rear sags more than the front when going over bumps.. but tightening rebound doesnt fix this.. the shock is 18000km's old. Any tips?
Greetings,
Keanu
Aditional info: front forks i only use about 65 to 70% of the complete travel of the forks. The rear shock bottoms out on occasion...
@@kirollings1491 Is the owner's manual saying that all the way out on rebound is for harsher roads? If not, you may want to try doing two turns in on the forks.
For the shocks, it may be that you have to get a stiffer spring as the shock is bottoming out for your weight.
I know Dave will be giving u the best solution, just trying to see how much I learned from Dave's videos.
Hi Keanu, Thanks for the email. Oil level is for everyone on the planet so I tend to find my own and we have a couple of videos to help you there based on travel used. HyperPro gives you oil viscosity and volume with their springs, so you can follow their recommendation. Your forks may have preload fork adjustment via caps and the rear shock has a step adjuster for preload also. for the rear shock, please review our video on static sag.
@@jaikanths875 actually, preload adjusters must be set to 3 turns in for it to be on standard measures (according to manual). But I find the forks to be very bouncy, that is why I turned the pre load all the way out. Even then the fork wil still bounce a second time after compression.
I believe you are right on the rear shock, it does need a stiffer spring. However I might swap the whole shock for a complete adjustable shock.
Thanks for your reply!
Nice video...Godbless
Ha! Some well inspired transitions on this one :D
Also, it seems the more one can afford an expensive bike, the less one knows about its inner workings. Wonder how many other “Ducatistas” and the like are “rodeo-ing” around (whenever they rarely ride!) and would benefit from a pro suspension tune-up, but will never get near one...
don't be such a downer. this guy is enjoying a trackday out in the sun on his nice Italian superbike and seeking the expertise of Dave to make the best out of it.