Years ago my wife had a job interview that we still laugh about. She was waiting in the lobby for the interview and some guy just came out and yelled her name, turned and walked away. She got up and followed him to an office that was in the center of the plant. The office had glass walls on all four sides. The guy never introduced himself or offered her a seat, he just started telling her what employees were not allowed to do. He constantly looked out the windows at the employees, never once looking at her. While he was still talking, she just walked out of the office and left. Before she went into the lobby she turned around and looked back. He was still talking and watching the employees. He never even noticed she walked out.
Had one job in a regional aged care facility. Big boss come from the city and held a staff meeting, the subject of pay levels came up. He told us “you do this job for the love of it, that it’s a calling, not a career. If you want to be paid a better wage, go stack shelves at Coles”. It’s really sad that stacking shelves at a supermarket pays more than a job where people’s lives are in your hands.
@@CammieRacing in the 12 months following that little “talk”; about half the staff left, most ended up leaving town anyway, as there were no jobs. They had a lot of trouble getting staff for a few years after that (people in small towns talk), at least until there was a change in head office management.
I have worked a couple facility's and alot of them give the if your just here for money leave. One offered everyone minimum wage in the contracts ( was supposed to be 15-20) even a person with 10+ years exp they straight up said im not here just for the money but its an important part. HR responded with well just sign and we can talk about it. The person straight up walked out of the building.
Some of this sounds absolutely illegal. Ageism, fatphobia discrimination, no days off for 4.5 months straight??!! Paying the company to work there??! This sounds so illegal
"Hi, what's the rate?" "We don't give that out. What're you looking for?" "Every other recruiter has given me a rate. If you want me to apply, you'll provide the rate." Works every time!
That last one, send a counter bill for all costs you incurred (driving, hourly wage as a private contractor, lunch, etc) and have the bill come out to $500, let them know they owe you $90 bucks or they'll be in court.
"Financial compensation is just a bonus". Brilliant! Then how big a part of the company can I have, because obviously since you're doing this out of the kindness of your heart, you must not be making any profit for yourself.
That last one -- do they reimburse candidates whose time THEY wasted? Reimburse them for taking a day off work? Pay their transport costs? If they don't, where do they get off thinking their time is more valuable than the time the candidates spend interviewing?
I went to an interview once that was an hour and a half away from where I live by train. When I got there I was told that they wouldn't be holding the interview as the position had already been filled. I told them I would be sending them the bill for my time as well as the price for the train tickets. It was pretty comical to see the look on their faces, but they sure as hell ended up paying me $300 for time spent and cost of transportation.
What's even worse is that the condidate obviously met the requirements for all the other coding platforms, just not the one I (as a non-coder) have never heard of. So, they met 75% of the full requirements, which is more than I've met at some jobs I've gotten and been good at, and the company is claiming their time was wasted? I'd bill them back on the grounds that they obviously didn't do their due diligence to ascertain that I didn't have the background they wanted without telling me in the ad that that was the only one that counted, and therefore my time was wasted too.
A friend of mine was invited to an interview in Zurich/Switzerland, so she had to travel there (from within Europe) and get a hotel for two nights etc just to get told in the interview that they did not actually consider her for the position. They were just curious what kind of person goes to university to study Finno-ugric Studies (ie language and culture of Finland, Estonia, Hungary and many more minorities in eastern Europe and Russia). 🤯
Perhaps but Washington employers get by with blatant age discrimination. My former company was very open about notmallowimg anyone over 70 to work there. People who had been there for years suddenly found themselves getting terrible reviews, moved into horrible positions, treated so badly they ❤were fired or gave up and quit etc. You have nothing to brag aboit there lol
The biggest bug I have at the moment is taking time to do multiple interviews for the same role and then radio silence, weeks later you have to nudge their HR to get a confirmation they have gone with someone else. I find so many HR departments to be completely unprofessional in recent years and treat people with such disrespect. Especially as in a lot of cases they could be the first introduction someone has to a company. I have gotten to the point now that if I get poor treatment from HR I won't even consider a role at a company again in the future.
I once went for several jobs and got silence from most of them. Took a good job that I ended up staying at for years as I enjoyed the work and the people. A month after I started with that company I got a phone call asking where I was. I asked who they were and it was one of the companies I'd not heard back from. Apparently they had sent me a job offer and start date and were wondering where I was on the first day. So incompetent. Not only had HR forgot to send me out the offer letter, but they had also marked me down as confirmed starter in the system. To this day I have no idea how that happened or what the fallout was.
The places that ask you to have a tougher mental constitution is absolutely because of the manager/boss. They berate the staff and degrade them with insults. If you throw even one quip back at them, they themselves will melt.
There are tricks you can apply to make these idiots go mad, then make a mistake and then you have them. It's two things: knowledge of law and knowledge of psychology.
Some positions require tougher mental conditions even if the team you're working in is great. Financial risk auditing for example, for internal risk auditing in financial companies (banks...). Your job is basically to check that the risk models being used in the company are correct, and you have to report every problem with the models directly to the head of the company (your department isn't under another hierarchy). As it stands, you often have to critique the work of other colleagues and have to defend those critiques against people who are very unhappy about your job and basically just try to show that everything you did is bogus. This adversarial thing does not come from a bad workplace but from the very purpose of the role. I'm pretty sure there exist other positions like that which require a thick skin. That being said, yes the majority of the time this is because of a shitty workplace, and often because of the hierarchy.
I actually did that. As a freelance software developer I was asked to interview for a 3 month web development project. A 150 mile round trip. I turned up. Interviewer asked me if I knew anything about setting up servers. I did. He said they were having problems setting one up. I asked them what the problem was and sorted it out. Took me about an hour. They thanked me for sorting it out and then told me they intended to offer the job that I had applied for to another candidate. Didn't even interview me for it. I was stunned. Cheeky b*st*rds. I phoned the agency when I got home, told them about it and informed the guy that I was putting an invoice together for call out fee (£75), travel costs (4 hours at £100) and cost of an hour service (£100). Total £575. The agency didn't like it. As if I gave a sh1t. I sent the invoice directly to the company. Gave them 4 weeks to pay the bill. I threatened to take them to small claims court to be adjudicated in my home town. A 150 mile round trip for the defendant. They paid it.
@@joxidearmageddonator882 Yes. As a freelance software developer I was asked to interview for a 3 month web development project. A 150 mile round trip. I turned up. Interviewer asked me if I knew anything about setting up servers. I did. He said they were having problems setting one up. I asked them what the problem was and sorted it out. Took me about an hour. They thanked me for sorting it out and then told me they intended to offer the job that I had applied for to another candidate. Didn't even interview me for it. I was stunned. Cheeky b*st*rds. I phoned the agency when I got home, told them about it and informed the guy that I was putting an invoice together for call out fee (£75), travel costs (4 hours at £100) and cost of an hour service (£100). Total £575. The agency didn't like it. As if I gave a sh1t. I sent the invoice directly to the company. Gave them 4 weeks to pay the bill. I threatened to take them to small claims court to be adjudicated in my home town. A 150 mile round trip for the defendant. They paid it.
Divorce counselors claim they can predict with 95% certainty whether a marriage will last or not within 5 minutes of meeting the couple. All they look for is: contempt. If they are in contempt for each other, even marriage itself will fail. How much more, will an employee/employer relationship die if there is contempt there? People quit bad managers.
I dont think trafficers would say you need so much it expuerence since it does Limit the Pool of Potential victims. But the Position basicallys says "looking for hot female it-expert" which is really creepy indead.
While that is true any job asking for someone of or under a certain age is should be an immediate red flag and wherever that is being posted should likely report that behavior to authorities for investigation. At best it is potential age discrimination and worst (and likely) it is a potential trafficking front.
That 'job' would alternate between forced sex work and teaching the tech skills to others. Most likely she would go to the first interview and never be seen again.
I had 5 rounds for an interview with an extra 45-60 minutes of feedback with the recruitment agency. After the 5th interview, I got ghosted... now and then I get job offers for other jobs at this agency and keep reminding them of how I won't waste any more time with them. They still don't get how they did wrong. Fortunately, after that, I found a job after 2 Interviews and have never been happier!
Several years ago I went for a job interview in the UK and was asked how many children I was planning to have. Their last statement was could I lose 50lbs before they hired me. I'm 5'7", was a 50 year old woman, a widow and an appropriate weight for my height. At that I stood said, which one of your legs would you like me to cut off? And walked out. Thankfully those types of questions are illegal here in Canada.
That's also illegal in the UK. You cannot discriminate on the basis of race, gender, disability or religion. You also cannot ask questions about lifestyle choices (such as smoking), memberships and affiliations.
@@patrino It would be illegal if they were turning people away on the basis of protected characteristics but it's not illegal to try and hire more people. If they, for instance, turned away white candidates for being white that would be illegal but there's no laws saying they can't try and recruit more black or Indian people or even make adverts targeting those groups. Some people would call it a positive move. Also I've never seen any adverts for the army indicating what you're saying.
@@purplefood1- as people have pointed out, it is illegal to even ask such questions in the UK; rejection is not a necessary component for it to be illegal They could ask you political affiliation, or whether you'll have kids, hire you and then you take them to tribunal
I once made it through 3 rounds of interviews only to be told "you're a great candidate and proved yourself ready for the gauntlet." Apparently the gauntlet was a round of several more interviews that were longer and more intense than the 3 I'd already been through. Not to mention I had to pass a skills test to get the first interview. I said "thanks, but I'm going to have to pass on the whole gauntlet thing." 😂
That one that wants a woman under 25 who neither smokes nor eats screams, "We want to hire someone we can ogle and sexually harass." It was the age requirement that did it.
"Here is an invoice for charges you have not agreed to prior to the charge." Me: "Hah, see you in court, and get your ass ready for a counter-lawsuit, because that's illegal, and I have a lawyer who is very happy to drag your company, its name and its reputation to hell :D"
@@simonharris4873 You might be in need of explanation, so here goes: In the US, as in many countries, before you charge any amount, there need to be an understanding, a contract if you will, between the two parties. For example, when you walk into a store, you have a de facto contract of paying for whatever the store is selling if you wish to leave with it. A better example is your mechanic. A mechanic cannot make repairs over a certain amount (depending on your state/country) without first advising you of the potential cost and getting your approval for the repairs, and that EVEN if you go in and tell them "Check my car for everything and fix it". If a mechanic goes and changes your muffler without your say so, and then bills you the 1200$ for the change, that sales agreement is non-existent because you did not request that repair. For that reason, a lot of mechanics have even started recording their customer calls and interactions, just to be safe. In this context; the prospect employee was not informed, before or during the meeting, that he could be sent a bill if the potential employee *feels* like their time has been wasted. Therefore, they cannot charge anything.
@@simonharris4873 The trick is to NOT lie on your CV but still apply for the job anyway. If you get interviewed anyway, that is on THEM, not you the applicant.
I just went on an interview where the lady didn't ask me anything. She just looked at my resume, told me I could start on a Monday then sent me off to get drug tested. I asked her about the pay and benefits, and she said they didn't discuss that until my background and drug tests came back. Huh? I didn't bother to go to the drug testing facility and drove home. If you can't even give me a general idea of pay, then that is a red flag. Another time I had two interviews, went great, amazing in fact, even got taken on a tour of the facility. I met several different managers, etc... was shown even where the breakroom was. Then they ghosted me. I emailed the HR manager to tell her thank you and yada yada, then nothing. To this day I still don't understand what happened.
'If you truly love what you're doing, and helping people in the process, financial compensation is just a bonus' ? So the CEO is just doing this as a hobby then? 'Big girls need not apply' - I have the feeling that this is a company with a Gen z management structure, they want under 25's so they'll appear trendy and as I suspect the management will be in their late 20's to early 30's, more look 'senior' to their employees (also younger employee's are more compliant).
These people don't want workers, they want willing slaves "were like a family here" and we want someone that is in it for more than just money" screams "hey, I run a toxic environment in which I overwork my employees into burnout while paying them as little as I can legally pay them, whilst also gaslighting said workers into believing that working to be able to afford to live is an unworthy cause to be working for. Work my little minions, work, work, work!"
1. Refusing to disclose a salary range is a BIG red flag. It indicates that the company has not set up an equitable pay scale for their positions and salary discrepancies throughout the company are probably large based on how low they could pay people to start. 2. If a company needs 8 interviews to select a candidate, you can be fairly sure that all their procedures are unnecessarily complicated and slow. 3. Yeah, people who are physically and mentally exhausted should definitely be looking after children 🙄 4. Under 25 with no smoking or fat problem? Did someone mistakenly think they were creating a dating app profile? 5. They want you to pay them $500/month to do their work? Are they also selling houses on Mars? 6. Bill the candidate for an interview. Yeah. Check’s in the mail. NOT. And that email is going straight on social media.
In my various careers, I was asked by more than one colleague if all I thought about was money. I always responded by asking if they didn't? Most seemed eager to claim they didn't just work for the money. (Which I always translated as acquiescent cowardice.) My final answer was always the same. "Then you're clearly as little an asset to your family as you are to this department." I even had colleagues complain they hadn't received the raise I'd just negotiated, and seemed confused when I invited them to go and negotiate their own. I wasn't their damn care worker! Only people who have no value for their skills and time (possibly because time is ALL they have to offer) hesitate to put a price on both.
I was asked in an interview how I would react to being shouted at by a manager? I said if managment needs to shout at employees then you've got problems within management and i got up and walked out.. i knew i didnt have the job just before the interview when the woman in front of me was interviewed by 3 people and after her interview 2 of them walked out and left 1 there to interview me...
If that last company actually wins the case and the company can bill people for the interview time... Wouldn't that also open up for anyone being interviewed to ask for wages for the work done?
I remember when Java was launched in May 1995 (I was at the conference where it happened). The next year I saw job postings requiring 5 years experience in Java. It is so stupid.
Did you not get days off at all? Like when the ship was docked for example and most guests went out for excursions? If not, that's absolutely brutal! I once worked 25 days straight on a business trip that was supposed to be ten days. Average day was between 10-15 hours. I wanted to kill myself, because there was no end in sight.
@suzybearheart530 would be lucky to get an entire day off on a contract, may get a morning or evening off every now and then. Also, it depends on which department you're working for. Shops and casino cannot operate whilst in port, so if there's a lot of long port days on a cruise or an overnight they get to enjoy the ports. Same with most of the entertainment crew.
i found the 500$ a week (you pay us) role. it's for an AI prompt engineer. you'd be talking to a GPT all day long and paying the company for the privilege
Hahah and you literally don't even get skills or experience in anything. Anyone as of now can prompt AI. Better off to pay the money for a lesson of some kind. What delusional PoS is the ceo of that company?! Haha
I did an hour interview at oracle then kept asking for an update, got a random email from someone from there asking for my availability for a further 6 interviews each an hour. But it's okay if I wanted I could do them back to back.... I told them it wasn't worth my time at all
When I taught in Parochial schools, I was told that my compensation would not be so much financial, but spiritual. I was paid so little that I was unable to move out of my mother's house! Then I had a marketing department administrative assistant job in the summer. I was not paid for 3 weeks because it was "in between seasons" (hockey & baseball) and the company was not yet paid by the advertisers for a car race that was scheduled for the following month. In short, they never caught up with my pay until Christmas! I reported the company to the state dept of labor & wages. They lost their lease in a state owned facility. Later, the owner of the company approached me at a hockey game. He & his wife were shouting at me and blaming me for getting thrown out of the building. Well, one of my friends got security and husband & wife owners were thrown out of the hockey game! They were a "match made in hell" for sure!!!
There is an old saying " if you pay peanuts you get monkeys". However much of a vocation a position is we all need to know if the salary is enough to live on and if we should. use our time applying.
Almost certainly a cruise ship kids play/ day care center. Which means you might make minimum wage for the country the ship is flagged in (Panama, Liberia, etc).
@@briandibb1300my dad is an engineer on a ship. He works 12/6 hours a day for 10 weeks at a time. Then he has 10 weeks off and repeat. The longest time away he has done is 12 weeks and the shortest is 2 weeks.
I got an offer for a Process Engineer job a few weeks back, the recruiter is going on about the requirements and all, BSc in Mech Engineering(preferably MSc), 2-3 years of experience, none of which I have of course, but they read my resume. Told how the job is continous shifts with one day off per month, so, "essentially even February would be 324 hours for you, you can expect up to 360 hours per month, plus possible overtime", I had the urge to laugh, but I asked about compensation and benefits. Benefits are 50% of your public transport ticket paid for and 4 cents a km fuel support, which is nice considering both are below the law mandated minimum and the monthly wage was set at 510€, minimum wage(160 hours). Had a quick chuckle and went "Yeah not interested"
Worst interview ever...a roundtable with 10-20 people sitting around firing off technical questions. That was the first interview. About half way through, I started smiling and just stopped caring. I wouldn't have worked for them for any amount of money.
I've walked out of a few interviews mid-session, when it became clear they were wasting my time. What did they think of that? Not a consideration. Including one (decades ago) for a position with the BBC, when it became apparent the interviewing team regarded working for the BBC as such a signal honour, that any enquiry about my salary would be an impudence!
Ben my hubby was looking for a job and with most of the applications, including jobs he had gone to interviews for, he got absolutely no message at all stating he did not get the job. There were just crickets! So a whatsapp message is better than hearing nothing at all at that point in my opinion.
The "Why do you want to work here?" question drives me nuts. I always tell them the exact same thing: I need money, I prefer this industry over that one and you are hiring. ffs, let's stop the BS and make a deal somewhere.
It's such a vanity question, isn't it? Like, they want you to gush over what an honor it would be to work such an amazing job and such an amazing company. 😂
That’s miserable ☹️ Agency’s offer ghost jobs, you have to sign up with them only to find that the job they advertised doesn’t exist, but they have something completely different far away that you might like instead…
Here's a few of my old job search gems*.. English Tudor Wanted '..must know how to operate very a bull speed drill.' '..must pay stricked attention to detail.' Enjoyin' my retirement as reentering the work farce (sic) doesn't appeal:/..
Ugh! I felt this in my soul. My name is Suzanne but people constantly call me Susan. For some reason, that really bothers me. It's why I go by Suzy now. I don't mind Suzy, Sue, Suzette, Susannah, but Susan? Hell to the no. 😂
@@suzybearheart530 THIS! Our name isn't common, sure, but it's also not unheard-of, so why the FUCK do 80% or 90% of people get it wrong??? If someone asks me my name to write down, they write S-U-S-A-N. If they read my correctly-spelled name out loud, they say Susan. If you take me to a party and introduce me to 20 people, 15 people will literally say "It's nice to meet you, Susan" immediately after being told my name is Suzanne. *Every way people interact with my name, they get it wrong. Whyyyyyy????* But a few years ago something so insane happened, I have to share it with you. My husband and I were at a flooring store, shopping to replace most of the flooring in our house. We were shopping for real wood flooring for our kitchen, living/dining, and hall, and three bedrooms of really nice, high-quality carpet. Several thousand dollars of product. The entire time, the saleswoman called me Susan. I corrected her. Later on, my husband corrected her. At some point, our roommate corrected her. One of our friends who happened to be at our house while the saleswoman was taking measurements, corrected her. NEVER ONCE did she call me by my right name. There were product delays and mistakes on her part, that dragged out the job for 3+ months, and every. single. time. she interacted with me, she called me Susan. Which, sadly, isn't extraordinary. _What WAS extraordinary is that the saleswoman's name is also Suzanne._ *Hence the utterly bizarre experience the afternoon that I got a call from her cheerfully saying, "Hi Susan, this is Suzanne..."* I was "too stunned to speak". I took my phone from my ear and just stared at it for a moment, trying to wrap my head around what had just happened. She'd been corrected for MONTHS, by almost half a dozen people, _and we have the same name._ Well, not exactly the same, as her parents spelled her name wrong on her birth certificate. Her legal name is Suzzane... the most common misspelling of Suzanne (other than Susan lol). She goes by Suzzy... pronounced Suzy, but spelled wrong. Turns out her parents are idiots, and raised her to be an idiot too. She got significant parts of our carpet order wrong and her company had to eat a couple of thousand bucks for her error after I put my foot down that we wouldn't accept the mistake she'd made. The only reason we didn't go somewhere else was the store manager was a friend of mine and gave us friend-discount pricing. Once he found out she'd botched our carpet measurements and called me by the wrong name for over three months, he fired her. Fuckin Suzzy. She's a legend in our house. Our family and friends love this story and we joke about "Hi Susan, this is Suzanne" at any opportunity. For personal reasons I can't stand being called Suzy; it's Suzanne or Suz for me, or get outta mah face till you can get it right. (Or Suzbone if you're nasty LMAO) Anyway, I just HAD to share that. Stay strong and keep on Suzin' on, sister!!!
What a creep..And I can sympathise…when I was 17 I got a job as a dental assistant in a very posh practice…the other two girls already working there had wealthy families and had been to the same finishing school in Switzerland …however this did not teach them manners…we were addressed at work by Miss ( and your Surname). …but they never remembered mine and called me Miss Thing…
"No smoking and fat problem" - did Joey Tribbiani write that? Also, the one where you're paying 500 to maintain access to job data and responsibilities: Interviewee: "Is this a paid role?" Interviewer: "Well, yes, in a sense..."
Surely the company should be paying them 500 a week, not the other way around! I mean, if someone can afford to pay 500 a week, why would they be seeking a job in the first place?
you say no one can do that, but at my worst, I was doing 20-22 hour days for 41 days straight, it ended in a complete and total mental breakdown, however that kind of crap happens. in some industries in the US that stuff isn't even uncommon...No matter what anyone tells you, work culture here is an absolute joke.
I did 12X7 for four months a few years ago because I had to do 3 other managers' jobs for them. For example, one of the major crises was the loss of an unknown but large number of medical images. I did not manage the database or data center, but my boss and peer managers did not give a good goddamn. Yes, I fixed it, and the network problem shutting down production every afternoon, etc, etc. I got very sick with an unknown virus, took FMLA, and quit because I could only stay out of bed for 4 hrs after 8 weeks. I was very ill for 3 months total, but that's not the worst of it. My joints disintegrated and my heart is damaged. I've never been able to work full-time since, and I've had 7 surgeries. I hate those lazy and incompetent fuckers with the heat of a thousand suns.
@@williamsstephens I feel you, the combination of long hours in physical jobs on concrete has left me with destroyed knees and back, Most jobs are out of my abilities now, However, I also don't qualify for any assistance so I keep taking the jobs I can get, messing up my joints even more, end up having to leave the job, recover, and do it again, but it's gotten to the point that I basically end up down and out for 3-6 weeks at a time to recover enough to even try again. The real American job market, "You have 20 years experience in manufacturing and culinary? Cool those are the only job offers you'll get. Oh you have a degree in computer science? too bad, your experience doesn't align with your degree"
I never needed more than one round of interviews to decide who I wanted to hire. I have better uses for company time than rounds of interviews! If one of my employees wasted my money like this, i'd move hiring decisions over to someone else and never let them be involved in the process again
I can only imagine that after round 3 (max), they already had a candidate, but got rejected. That's how I suspect these things to happen usually. Every round of interview after #3 is a candidate that did not take the offer.
@@DavidGreen_au The thing I've always found so irritating about that is if they had it tough they surely know what cunts they're being so why the fuck are they dong it? This is more like the cycle of abuse than anything else.
I learnt long ago not to bother with any company that demands more than two interviews. They are just wasting your time and there's some issue with the hiring they aren't telling you. Thriving companies that actually need staff to do important necessary jobs don't want to mess around.
I've definitely been in situations where I wish I had the audacity to bill them for my wasted time 😂 But to be clear, that's a ridiculous thing to actually do
One that I heard here was a requirement for a person to speak the language of the company as a native language. I see this all the time in Flanders (Belgium). They say "Nederlands: Moedertaal" - Dutch: Mother tongue. It's a way to deny employment to people who studied the language as a second language (in this case immigrants and Walloons). I saw this all over the place for IT jobs. It's pretty disgusting.
That sounds crazy because isn't the entire IT industry English thanks to a lot of the standards and the Internet itself being invented in the US? I'd expect IT people to be required to be fluent in English, without native mattering. Airlines/aviation is all in English too, right? Are people expected to be multilingual to work in an airport?
Someone needs to explain the difference between job and volunteering to certain people. This is like you telling the landlord: "If you want to rent me this place just to take my money......" LOL
Why the heck don't employers just let people know right away what a job pays. Sure, a range is acceptable due to experience, knowledge etc., but to not give a prospective employee any idea of what the pay is for the job before the process begins could end up being a waste of both the job seeker and employer's time.
That sounds about right. My former employer (government agency) performed two rounds max. The first was used to weed out those who didn't meet the minimum requirements (e.g. no degree yet for the position or a driver's license), while the second was the actual job interview itself in front of a panel of three.
Cool, so... The important part is that i enjoy what i do for work... Whether i can afford four walls and a roof around me, whether i can afford to eat or not, whether i can afford the clothes on my back that's all not important, it's just a bonus...
My friend was once given a complex reporting task at a technical interview. She finished and asked for feedback to which the interviewer said "How should I know? I don't know how to do these, I'm HR - will give you a call before the next round". There was no next round, they found a more suitable candidate 😂
Don't 8 -10 rounds of interviews waste their own time as well. At this point it seems like they don't want to hire anyone, but just to talk. Do they fet paid to have open positions or something?
I turned up for an interview on time to find 2 other applicants there with the same appointment. I thought okay it's going to be a group interview, but no. After waiting 10 minutes for the interviewer, he asked who had arrived first and interviewed them. He also criticized one of the applicants for wearing a COVID mask. I felt like telling this applicant that he should just leave and not waste his time, but instead, I decided not to waste mine and I left.
Companies dick people around and waste their time all they way, but heaven forbid people apply for a job they're only 80% qualified for. Also - VCAT is the Victorian Civil & Administrative Tribunal in Australia.
If I was billed for "wasting interviewers time" I'd turn the tables and bill them. They read the resume and chose to bring me in for a chat....I get $500/hr which is exactly what I'd invoice for
Only $500? Are you an intern? :) I'd be billing at like $200 an hour. There was the time it took to apply, the time it took to research the company, the time it took to correspond with each person, there's the time it took to craft the thank you letters. By the end of it I'd have my monthly bills taken care of by the company.
Unlimited PTO. Once interviewed for a position that offered unlimited PTO, when asked when I could start I gave a date about 3 weeks in the future stating I was leaving for a short trip in about a week. Never heard back from them.
Companies in the food manufacturing industry in South Africa post an essay worth of responsibilities and requirements for a role but almost never includes the salary range so when it comes to the interview/offer it ends up being peanuts.
Hi Ben, just FYI in regards to what you said about the 3rd case and how no one can work 70-84 hours per week for 4 months, please know that whenever you go to Greece for holidays, everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) that you see working around you is working these hours for 6 months straight, no days off (or at the best case scenario one or two for the whole season and that is, if they are super lucky) under the blistering sun and all that for the truly great amount of approximately 1000-1500 Euros per month, sometimes even less for "lower paid" positions
I remember being interviewed for my nurse training, one I failed. The asked me why I wanted to be a nurse. So I said, "I like eating, being warm and housed, and that nursing seems an interesting way of achieving that." Didn't get in there... Apparently I supposed to say I had a vocation for it, like I was joining holy orders. I never could say that one with a remotely straight face.
An agency once sent me to an interview (I was a developer). We sat down and did my spiel, how I loved the creativity of coding, the full project life cycle etc etc. At the end her looked at me and said they were looking for a business analyst and not a developer. I ended the interview honestly saying that analysing finance in business would bore me rigid. This situation was not his fault but the agency as they clearly lied to this company. I bever used them again.
I applied to a securit company, had a great first telephone interview, owner absolutely thrilled. They send me an offer on sunday, and request a second interview (backwards). Monday I emailed them my schedule for the video interview (evwn though i got an offer) and I immediately recieve a canned reply, 'we've rejected your application'.
The "thick-skinned" comment could be quite merciful. But only in one position I have worked at. It was a service to call the people for a phone and internet provider, where the technician either due to his full schedule, due to technicians calling in sick or other unplanned incidents, like a job taking way longer then usual or at one point I still remember the technician getting trapped on a roof by the house owner on the 5th floor by locking the door behind him and disappearing, until the fire department could get him off there. In that job, it had nothing to do with your coworkers you needed a thick skin. You were calling people, who often stayed at home that day, to tell them the technician is not coming and want to reschedule a new time. That job had the worst "customers yelling at you" experience I ever had, including retail and tech support.
One thing I have learned - if your interviewer starts showing you glitzy award ceremonies, talking about how much you earn and showing you massive monthly bonuses that "you could earn" then run away fast. If they're selling the job to you it's going to be a scam.
The smoking/fat problem and under 25 years old is such a black company thing. For those that don't know, black companies (ブラック会社) are Japanese companies that are known for exploitative, nasty practices. Many people who work for them end up killing themselves. It was not unusual for me to see job adverts like this in Tokyo - but usually they were looking for an office assistant, not a tech professional!!
Our company has an initial phone call, just to make sure we're not wasting everyones time, and two in person, but the second in person one is more of a "meet the team/workplace" formality. By that point they've got the job, its more to make sure they know what they're getting themselves in for. Not that its a bad place to work, but it has its quirks which has made some people not work out. We've never not employed someone who got the second interview - its more of a "when can you start?" question.
HR Departments have become a law unto themselves, ideally there should be a process in place where any dealings with them could be overseen by an independent 3rd party during the recruitment process. This would ensure job applicants are treated fairly.
I attended a interview where I was interviewed by two women (middle aged white man) and I was asked near the end of the interview, "what kind of environment do you currently work in" when I replied, mostly male environment, 'I was told, yeah its a majority woman environment here.' I was rejected from the job, when I asked why, I was told it was because I couldn't remember the name of the person who founded the company. That was last October
This is a great channel, but it simply confirms just how grateful I am that I retired 10 years ago. I never had to deal with any of this BS from any of my employers.
I've seen the "thick skinned" thing listed on customer-facing (read: Karen facing) job descriptions quite often. Especially those where they're recruiting for the call centre of a debt collector's agency. The employer might not really have a say in whether or not the clientele is going to be made up of reasonable people. Putting up a warning beforehand may save both the applicant and the employer significant time, they don't want to deal with the high turn over of employees and the employee probably doesn't want to deal with an angry Karen who doesn't want to pay her cable tv bills, but violently demands her connection be turned back on before the bold and beautiful is on this afternoon.
The one about working with children with the inane hours and no time off sounds like a kids activity counselor on a cruise ship, where sadly this kind of contract is standard.
I once applied for a job and they gave me an interview date in a month's time. I went along and the interview went well. A month later I got a letter saying the wrong person had interviewed me and gave me a new date in 6 weeks time. I went along and answered all the same questions again. A month later I got a letter saying the job was no longer available.
I suspect it never existed in the first place. HR folks/ talent acquisition teams tend to check from time to time what talent is available out there still and they legit pretend to be hiring when they are not. They waste people's time and lower their self-esteem in the process. (But normally they don't charge the candidates for wasting HR's precious time😅)
I do wonder if some of these ads for jobs are deliberately written to put people off because they've been told to post the position but planning to give it to their mate, girlfriend etc
Years ago my wife had a job interview that we still laugh about. She was waiting in the lobby for the interview and some guy just came out and yelled her name, turned and walked away. She got up and followed him to an office that was in the center of the plant. The office had glass walls on all four sides. The guy never introduced himself or offered her a seat, he just started telling her what employees were not allowed to do. He constantly looked out the windows at the employees, never once looking at her. While he was still talking, she just walked out of the office and left. Before she went into the lobby she turned around and looked back. He was still talking and watching the employees. He never even noticed she walked out.
Would love to have known how long it took for him to turn around
and see his expression!!
Legend has it that he’s still talking to the employees this day
Sounds like a sketch from the Simpsons with Mr burns watching his staff he despises 😂.
I think I might leave immediately after the interviewer just yells my name and turns around.
Are you bloody kidding me
Had one job in a regional aged care facility. Big boss come from the city and held a staff meeting, the subject of pay levels came up. He told us “you do this job for the love of it, that it’s a calling, not a career. If you want to be paid a better wage, go stack shelves at Coles”. It’s really sad that stacking shelves at a supermarket pays more than a job where people’s lives are in your hands.
Someone needs to remind bosses like him that we live in a capitalist society and we can't pay rent with love.
@@CammieRacing in the 12 months following that little “talk”; about half the staff left, most ended up leaving town anyway, as there were no jobs. They had a lot of trouble getting staff for a few years after that (people in small towns talk), at least until there was a change in head office management.
I would have got up and said to him, bye, I'm away to Coles.
I have worked a couple facility's and alot of them give the if your just here for money leave. One offered everyone minimum wage in the contracts ( was supposed to be 15-20) even a person with 10+ years exp they straight up said im not here just for the money but its an important part. HR responded with well just sign and we can talk about it. The person straight up walked out of the building.
@@CammieRacingyou can remind them by going left wing as possible who will pass labour laws. Regulated capitalism is the norm.
Some of this sounds absolutely illegal. Ageism, fatphobia discrimination, no days off for 4.5 months straight??!! Paying the company to work there??! This sounds so illegal
Fat phobia discrimination? Lol.
They just wanted some hot. young girl to look at by the sounds of it.
This employer is definitely not located in the US. Some US companies do this, but not in writing.
The paying to work for no wage one sounds like a predatory "pay for visa sponsorship" scheme.
"Hi, what's the rate?" "We don't give that out. What're you looking for?" "Every other recruiter has given me a rate. If you want me to apply, you'll provide the rate." Works every time!
The best is companies saying they don’t base their company around people only wanting pay, but why did they start their own company?
Maybe it was a charity
Based on how i see companies decisions they care more about spreading "the message" than to make money or improve people's lifes
Major red flag, they aren't looking for an employee, they are looking for an unpaid intern.
That last one, send a counter bill for all costs you incurred (driving, hourly wage as a private contractor, lunch, etc) and have the bill come out to $500, let them know they owe you $90 bucks or they'll be in court.
That would be fair... if the company misrepresented themselves like the candidate did.
"Financial compensation is just a bonus". Brilliant! Then how big a part of the company can I have, because obviously since you're doing this out of the kindness of your heart, you must not be making any profit for yourself.
Idk if this applies to you but please don’t confuse profit with salary.
Re: the invoice: send one to them at twice the amount for wasting your time, deliberate infliction of emotional distress and for trying to scam you.
That last one -- do they reimburse candidates whose time THEY wasted? Reimburse them for taking a day off work? Pay their transport costs? If they don't, where do they get off thinking their time is more valuable than the time the candidates spend interviewing?
Bet they billed every candidate. Heck, could be a scam with no real job opening at all.
I went to an interview once that was an hour and a half away from where I live by train.
When I got there I was told that they wouldn't be holding the interview as the position had already been filled.
I told them I would be sending them the bill for my time as well as the price for the train tickets.
It was pretty comical to see the look on their faces, but they sure as hell ended up paying me $300 for time spent and cost of transportation.
What's even worse is that the condidate obviously met the requirements for all the other coding platforms, just not the one I (as a non-coder) have never heard of. So, they met 75% of the full requirements, which is more than I've met at some jobs I've gotten and been good at, and the company is claiming their time was wasted? I'd bill them back on the grounds that they obviously didn't do their due diligence to ascertain that I didn't have the background they wanted without telling me in the ad that that was the only one that counted, and therefore my time was wasted too.
A friend of mine was invited to an interview in Zurich/Switzerland, so she had to travel there (from within Europe) and get a hotel for two nights etc just to get told in the interview that they did not actually consider her for the position. They were just curious what kind of person goes to university to study Finno-ugric Studies (ie language and culture of Finland, Estonia, Hungary and many more minorities in eastern Europe and Russia). 🤯
This is exactly why Washington State (USA) has a new law that requires employers to disclose the actual salary range in any employment ad.
Perhaps but Washington employers get by with blatant age discrimination. My former company was very open about notmallowimg anyone over 70 to work there. People who had been there for years suddenly found themselves getting terrible reviews, moved into horrible positions, treated so badly they ❤were fired or gave up and quit etc. You have nothing to brag aboit there lol
The biggest bug I have at the moment is taking time to do multiple interviews for the same role and then radio silence, weeks later you have to nudge their HR to get a confirmation they have gone with someone else.
I find so many HR departments to be completely unprofessional in recent years and treat people with such disrespect. Especially as in a lot of cases they could be the first introduction someone has to a company.
I have gotten to the point now that if I get poor treatment from HR I won't even consider a role at a company again in the future.
An ex boss of mine ( several years ago) described HR as neither human nor resourceful!!!
I once went for several jobs and got silence from most of them. Took a good job that I ended up staying at for years as I enjoyed the work and the people. A month after I started with that company I got a phone call asking where I was. I asked who they were and it was one of the companies I'd not heard back from. Apparently they had sent me a job offer and start date and were wondering where I was on the first day. So incompetent. Not only had HR forgot to send me out the offer letter, but they had also marked me down as confirmed starter in the system. To this day I have no idea how that happened or what the fallout was.
The places that ask you to have a tougher mental constitution is absolutely because of the manager/boss. They berate the staff and degrade them with insults. If you throw even one quip back at them, they themselves will melt.
There are tricks you can apply to make these idiots go mad, then make a mistake and then you have them. It's two things: knowledge of law and knowledge of psychology.
Some positions require tougher mental conditions even if the team you're working in is great. Financial risk auditing for example, for internal risk auditing in financial companies (banks...). Your job is basically to check that the risk models being used in the company are correct, and you have to report every problem with the models directly to the head of the company (your department isn't under another hierarchy). As it stands, you often have to critique the work of other colleagues and have to defend those critiques against people who are very unhappy about your job and basically just try to show that everything you did is bogus. This adversarial thing does not come from a bad workplace but from the very purpose of the role.
I'm pretty sure there exist other positions like that which require a thick skin.
That being said, yes the majority of the time this is because of a shitty workplace, and often because of the hierarchy.
"Just apply for the job, the worst thing they can do is say no."
Gets a bill in the mail for wasting their time.
I actually did that.
As a freelance software developer I was asked to interview for a 3 month web development project.
A 150 mile round trip.
I turned up.
Interviewer asked me if I knew anything about setting up servers.
I did. He said they were having problems setting one up.
I asked them what the problem was and sorted it out.
Took me about an hour.
They thanked me for sorting it out and then told me they intended to offer the job that I had applied for
to another candidate.
Didn't even interview me for it.
I was stunned.
Cheeky b*st*rds.
I phoned the agency when I got home, told them about it and informed the guy that I was putting an invoice together for call out fee (£75), travel costs (4 hours at £100) and cost of an hour service (£100).
Total £575.
The agency didn't like it. As if I gave a sh1t.
I sent the invoice directly to the company.
Gave them 4 weeks to pay the bill.
I threatened to take them to small claims court to be adjudicated in my home town.
A 150 mile round trip for the defendant.
They paid it.
Applicant should counter sue for wasting their time!
@@RogbodgeVideo I did. Got £500.
@@veritasaequitas9875 did someone try this bullshit on you too?
@@joxidearmageddonator882
Yes.
As a freelance software developer I was asked to interview for a 3 month web development project.
A 150 mile round trip.
I turned up.
Interviewer asked me if I knew anything about setting up servers.
I did. He said they were having problems setting one up.
I asked them what the problem was and sorted it out.
Took me about an hour.
They thanked me for sorting it out and then told me they intended to offer the job that I had applied for
to another candidate.
Didn't even interview me for it.
I was stunned.
Cheeky b*st*rds.
I phoned the agency when I got home, told them about it and informed the guy that I was putting an invoice together for call out fee (£75), travel costs (4 hours at £100) and cost of an hour service (£100).
Total £575.
The agency didn't like it. As if I gave a sh1t.
I sent the invoice directly to the company.
Gave them 4 weeks to pay the bill.
I threatened to take them to small claims court to be adjudicated in my home town.
A 150 mile round trip for the defendant.
They paid it.
Divorce counselors claim they can predict with 95% certainty whether a marriage will last or not within 5 minutes of meeting the couple. All they look for is: contempt. If they are in contempt for each other, even marriage itself will fail.
How much more, will an employee/employer relationship die if there is contempt there?
People quit bad managers.
😂😂😂You want ME to pay YOU $500 to work for YOU???
I saw this in an ad for social volunteering in Maldives, you have to pay 1600 USD per month for that job for food and housing.
I am looking for gainful employment, not a 'mission' assignment, a second 'family' nor a cult.
The one without a “fat problem” and under 25 sounds like a trafficking scam.
"must be non-smoker, O-neg blood type, no substance use, with healthy kidneys"
I dont think trafficers would say you need so much it expuerence since it does Limit the Pool of Potential victims. But the Position basicallys says "looking for hot female it-expert" which is really creepy indead.
While that is true any job asking for someone of or under a certain age is should be an immediate red flag and wherever that is being posted should likely report that behavior to authorities for investigation. At best it is potential age discrimination and worst (and likely) it is a potential trafficking front.
That 'job' would alternate between forced sex work and teaching the tech skills to others. Most likely she would go to the first interview and never be seen again.
Might not want to pay insurance?
I had 5 rounds for an interview with an extra 45-60 minutes of feedback with the recruitment agency. After the 5th interview, I got ghosted... now and then I get job offers for other jobs at this agency and keep reminding them of how I won't waste any more time with them. They still don't get how they did wrong. Fortunately, after that, I found a job after 2 Interviews and have never been happier!
Several years ago I went for a job interview in the UK and was asked how many children I was planning to have. Their last statement was could I lose 50lbs before they hired me. I'm 5'7", was a 50 year old woman, a widow and an appropriate weight for my height. At that I stood said, which one of your legs would you like me to cut off? And walked out. Thankfully those types of questions are illegal here in Canada.
That's also illegal in the UK. You cannot discriminate on the basis of race, gender, disability or religion. You also cannot ask questions about lifestyle choices (such as smoking), memberships and affiliations.
Also illegal in the UK
@@patrino It would be illegal if they were turning people away on the basis of protected characteristics but it's not illegal to try and hire more people. If they, for instance, turned away white candidates for being white that would be illegal but there's no laws saying they can't try and recruit more black or Indian people or even make adverts targeting those groups. Some people would call it a positive move. Also I've never seen any adverts for the army indicating what you're saying.
@@purplefood1- as people have pointed out, it is illegal to even ask such questions in the UK; rejection is not a necessary component for it to be illegal
They could ask you political affiliation, or whether you'll have kids, hire you and then you take them to tribunal
@@danielcrafter9349 "As people" yes me, i said that. Twice.
8 rounds of interviews? What the hell? Screw them!
I once made it through 3 rounds of interviews only to be told "you're a great candidate and proved yourself ready for the gauntlet." Apparently the gauntlet was a round of several more interviews that were longer and more intense than the 3 I'd already been through. Not to mention I had to pass a skills test to get the first interview. I said "thanks, but I'm going to have to pass on the whole gauntlet thing." 😂
4:17 "What is wrong with some of these companies?" - very true
It’s against the law in my state to supervise 200 children. There’s limits per age of how many children one adult can supervise.
It's against the law in 50 states.
That one that wants a woman under 25 who neither smokes nor eats screams, "We want to hire someone we can ogle and sexually harass." It was the age requirement that did it.
It's already bad enough they specify they need a woman for the role...😅
Is it even legal in America to specify the gender of the person in a job advert, unless under exceptional circumstances?
"Here is an invoice for charges you have not agreed to prior to the charge."
Me: "Hah, see you in court, and get your ass ready for a counter-lawsuit, because that's illegal, and I have a lawyer who is very happy to drag your company, its name and its reputation to hell :D"
You really want to go to court with "Well you see, your honour, I lied on my CV, and as a result..."?
@@simonharris4873 You might be in need of explanation, so here goes:
In the US, as in many countries, before you charge any amount, there need to be an understanding, a contract if you will, between the two parties.
For example, when you walk into a store, you have a de facto contract of paying for whatever the store is selling if you wish to leave with it.
A better example is your mechanic. A mechanic cannot make repairs over a certain amount (depending on your state/country) without first advising you of the potential cost and getting your approval for the repairs, and that EVEN if you go in and tell them "Check my car for everything and fix it". If a mechanic goes and changes your muffler without your say so, and then bills you the 1200$ for the change, that sales agreement is non-existent because you did not request that repair.
For that reason, a lot of mechanics have even started recording their customer calls and interactions, just to be safe.
In this context; the prospect employee was not informed, before or during the meeting, that he could be sent a bill if the potential employee *feels* like their time has been wasted. Therefore, they cannot charge anything.
@@simonharris4873 The trick is to NOT lie on your CV but still apply for the job anyway. If you get interviewed anyway, that is on THEM, not you the applicant.
@@IvyANguyen If your CV doesn't suggest you can do the job, you'd be lucky to get an interview.
I just went on an interview where the lady didn't ask me anything. She just looked at my resume, told me I could start on a Monday then sent me off to get drug tested. I asked her about the pay and benefits, and she said they didn't discuss that until my background and drug tests came back. Huh? I didn't bother to go to the drug testing facility and drove home. If you can't even give me a general idea of pay, then that is a red flag. Another time I had two interviews, went great, amazing in fact, even got taken on a tour of the facility. I met several different managers, etc... was shown even where the breakroom was. Then they ghosted me. I emailed the HR manager to tell her thank you and yada yada, then nothing. To this day I still don't understand what happened.
'If you truly love what you're doing, and helping people in the process, financial compensation is just a bonus' ? So the CEO is just doing this as a hobby then?
'Big girls need not apply' - I have the feeling that this is a company with a Gen z management structure, they want under 25's so they'll appear trendy and as I suspect the management will be in their late 20's to early 30's, more look 'senior' to their employees (also younger employee's are more compliant).
These people don't want workers, they want willing slaves "were like a family here" and we want someone that is in it for more than just money" screams "hey, I run a toxic environment in which I overwork my employees into burnout while paying them as little as I can legally pay them, whilst also gaslighting said workers into believing that working to be able to afford to live is an unworthy cause to be working for. Work my little minions, work, work, work!"
Yes the 'family' sales pitch is a huge red flag imo
1. Refusing to disclose a salary range is a BIG red flag. It indicates that the company has not set up an equitable pay scale for their positions and salary discrepancies throughout the company are probably large based on how low they could pay people to start.
2. If a company needs 8 interviews to select a candidate, you can be fairly sure that all their procedures are unnecessarily complicated and slow.
3. Yeah, people who are physically and mentally exhausted should definitely be looking after children 🙄
4. Under 25 with no smoking or fat problem? Did someone mistakenly think they were creating a dating app profile?
5. They want you to pay them $500/month to do their work? Are they also selling houses on Mars?
6. Bill the candidate for an interview. Yeah. Check’s in the mail. NOT. And that email is going straight on social media.
In my various careers, I was asked by more than one colleague if all I thought about was money. I always responded by asking if they didn't? Most seemed eager to claim they didn't just work for the money. (Which I always translated as acquiescent cowardice.)
My final answer was always the same. "Then you're clearly as little an asset to your family as you are to this department."
I even had colleagues complain they hadn't received the raise I'd just negotiated, and seemed confused when I invited them to go and negotiate their own. I wasn't their damn care worker!
Only people who have no value for their skills and time (possibly because time is ALL they have to offer) hesitate to put a price on both.
I was asked in an interview how I would react to being shouted at by a manager? I said if managment needs to shout at employees then you've got problems within management and i got up and walked out.. i knew i didnt have the job just before the interview when the woman in front of me was interviewed by 3 people and after her interview 2 of them walked out and left 1 there to interview me...
If that last company actually wins the case and the company can bill people for the interview time... Wouldn't that also open up for anyone being interviewed to ask for wages for the work done?
As someone who has been a software engineer for well over a decade I can tell you I don't even qualify for that software job lol
I remember when Java was launched in May 1995 (I was at the conference where it happened). The next year I saw job postings requiring 5 years experience in Java. It is so stupid.
Overweight?
Number 5 is literally working on a Cruise Ship, I worked 12 to 14 hours a day every day and my contracts ranged between 7 to 10 months at a time.
Did you not get days off at all? Like when the ship was docked for example and most guests went out for excursions? If not, that's absolutely brutal! I once worked 25 days straight on a business trip that was supposed to be ten days. Average day was between 10-15 hours. I wanted to kill myself, because there was no end in sight.
@suzybearheart530 would be lucky to get an entire day off on a contract, may get a morning or evening off every now and then. Also, it depends on which department you're working for.
Shops and casino cannot operate whilst in port, so if there's a lot of long port days on a cruise or an overnight they get to enjoy the ports. Same with most of the entertainment crew.
i found the 500$ a week (you pay us) role. it's for an AI prompt engineer. you'd be talking to a GPT all day long and paying the company for the privilege
Hahah and you literally don't even get skills or experience in anything. Anyone as of now can prompt AI. Better off to pay the money for a lesson of some kind. What delusional PoS is the ceo of that company?! Haha
It's the modern version of monkeys on typewriters.
I did an hour interview at oracle then kept asking for an update, got a random email from someone from there asking for my availability for a further 6 interviews each an hour. But it's okay if I wanted I could do them back to back....
I told them it wasn't worth my time at all
Oracle was full of boneheads when I encountered it in the 1980s. Heartening to see that hasn't changed.
When I taught in Parochial schools, I was told that my compensation would not be so much financial, but spiritual. I was paid so little that I was unable to move out of my mother's house!
Then I had a marketing department administrative assistant job in the summer. I was not paid for 3 weeks because it was "in between seasons" (hockey & baseball) and the company was not yet paid by the advertisers for a car race that was scheduled for the following month. In short, they never caught up with my pay until Christmas! I reported the company to the state dept of labor & wages. They lost their lease in a state owned facility. Later, the owner of the company approached me at a hockey game. He & his wife were shouting at me and blaming me for getting thrown out of the building. Well, one of my friends got security and husband & wife owners were thrown out of the hockey game! They were a "match made in hell" for sure!!!
There is an old saying " if you pay peanuts you get monkeys". However much of a vocation a position is we all need to know if the salary is enough to live on and if we should. use our time applying.
Arent we all just work to get paid? Lmao
The one about working with kuds for 4 months 80 hour weeks... tell me you work on holiday parks without telling me
Almost certainly a cruise ship kids play/ day care center. Which means you might make minimum wage for the country the ship is flagged in (Panama, Liberia, etc).
I'm pretty sure that job posting was a Mother's Day meme, not an actual job posting.
@@briandibb1300my dad is an engineer on a ship. He works 12/6 hours a day for 10 weeks at a time. Then he has 10 weeks off and repeat. The longest time away he has done is 12 weeks and the shortest is 2 weeks.
I mean, it's not really an unpaid position. YOU are paying to the company for that position 🤣🤣
I got an offer for a Process Engineer job a few weeks back, the recruiter is going on about the requirements and all, BSc in Mech Engineering(preferably MSc), 2-3 years of experience, none of which I have of course, but they read my resume. Told how the job is continous shifts with one day off per month, so, "essentially even February would be 324 hours for you, you can expect up to 360 hours per month, plus possible overtime", I had the urge to laugh, but I asked about compensation and benefits. Benefits are 50% of your public transport ticket paid for and 4 cents a km fuel support, which is nice considering both are below the law mandated minimum and the monthly wage was set at 510€, minimum wage(160 hours).
Had a quick chuckle and went "Yeah not interested"
Being able to pay my bills is not going to be seen as a "bonus" in any universe.
Worst interview ever...a roundtable with 10-20 people sitting around firing off technical questions. That was the first interview. About half way through, I started smiling and just stopped caring.
I wouldn't have worked for them for any amount of money.
I've walked out of a few interviews mid-session, when it became clear they were wasting my time. What did they think of that? Not a consideration.
Including one (decades ago) for a position with the BBC, when it became apparent the interviewing team regarded working for the BBC as such a signal honour, that any enquiry about my salary would be an impudence!
"Why doesn't anyone want to work?"
Maybe because you demand so much and pay so little?
People who are only interested in money are not the type of people we're looking for.
I wonder if they tell shareholdèrs that? 🤣
Salary is just a bonus. Unless you like eating and paying your rent.
Ben my hubby was looking for a job and with most of the applications, including jobs he had gone to interviews for, he got absolutely no message at all stating he did not get the job. There were just crickets! So a whatsapp message is better than hearing nothing at all at that point in my opinion.
The "Why do you want to work here?" question drives me nuts. I always tell them the exact same thing: I need money, I prefer this industry over that one and you are hiring. ffs, let's stop the BS and make a deal somewhere.
It's such a vanity question, isn't it? Like, they want you to gush over what an honor it would be to work such an amazing job and such an amazing company. 😂
@@suzybearheart530Indeed, and you want to feel as special as the other 1800 employees who have been given this honour😂
That’s miserable ☹️ Agency’s offer ghost jobs, you have to sign up with them only to find that the job they advertised doesn’t exist, but they have something completely different far away that you might like instead…
1:23 Always love when someone in charge of hiring people misspells 'too' as 'to' lmao
Here's a few of my old job search gems*..
English Tudor Wanted
'..must know how to operate very a bull speed drill.'
'..must pay stricked attention to detail.'
Enjoyin' my retirement as reentering the work farce (sic) doesn't appeal:/..
Had an interview where the manager kept calling me Susan even though my name is Sandie. When I corrected her, she said she liked Susan better
Says it all, right there! 🙄
Ugh! I felt this in my soul. My name is Suzanne but people constantly call me Susan. For some reason, that really bothers me. It's why I go by Suzy now. I don't mind Suzy, Sue, Suzette, Susannah, but Susan? Hell to the no. 😂
@@suzybearheart530 THIS! Our name isn't common, sure, but it's also not unheard-of, so why the FUCK do 80% or 90% of people get it wrong??? If someone asks me my name to write down, they write S-U-S-A-N. If they read my correctly-spelled name out loud, they say Susan. If you take me to a party and introduce me to 20 people, 15 people will literally say "It's nice to meet you, Susan" immediately after being told my name is Suzanne. *Every way people interact with my name, they get it wrong. Whyyyyyy????*
But a few years ago something so insane happened, I have to share it with you. My husband and I were at a flooring store, shopping to replace most of the flooring in our house. We were shopping for real wood flooring for our kitchen, living/dining, and hall, and three bedrooms of really nice, high-quality carpet. Several thousand dollars of product. The entire time, the saleswoman called me Susan. I corrected her. Later on, my husband corrected her. At some point, our roommate corrected her. One of our friends who happened to be at our house while the saleswoman was taking measurements, corrected her. NEVER ONCE did she call me by my right name. There were product delays and mistakes on her part, that dragged out the job for 3+ months, and every. single. time. she interacted with me, she called me Susan. Which, sadly, isn't extraordinary. _What WAS extraordinary is that the saleswoman's name is also Suzanne._
*Hence the utterly bizarre experience the afternoon that I got a call from her cheerfully saying, "Hi Susan, this is Suzanne..."*
I was "too stunned to speak". I took my phone from my ear and just stared at it for a moment, trying to wrap my head around what had just happened. She'd been corrected for MONTHS, by almost half a dozen people, _and we have the same name._
Well, not exactly the same, as her parents spelled her name wrong on her birth certificate. Her legal name is Suzzane... the most common misspelling of Suzanne (other than Susan lol). She goes by Suzzy... pronounced Suzy, but spelled wrong. Turns out her parents are idiots, and raised her to be an idiot too. She got significant parts of our carpet order wrong and her company had to eat a couple of thousand bucks for her error after I put my foot down that we wouldn't accept the mistake she'd made. The only reason we didn't go somewhere else was the store manager was a friend of mine and gave us friend-discount pricing. Once he found out she'd botched our carpet measurements and called me by the wrong name for over three months, he fired her.
Fuckin Suzzy. She's a legend in our house. Our family and friends love this story and we joke about "Hi Susan, this is Suzanne" at any opportunity.
For personal reasons I can't stand being called Suzy; it's Suzanne or Suz for me, or get outta mah face till you can get it right. (Or Suzbone if you're nasty LMAO)
Anyway, I just HAD to share that. Stay strong and keep on Suzin' on, sister!!!
What a creep..And I can sympathise…when I was 17 I got a job as a dental assistant in a very posh practice…the other two girls already working there had wealthy families and had been to the same finishing school in Switzerland …however this did not teach them manners…we were addressed at work by Miss ( and your Surname). …but they never remembered mine and called me Miss Thing…
I'd be like, Hm, I'd like another manager better. Have a good day. Bye.
"No smoking and fat problem" - did Joey Tribbiani write that?
Also, the one where you're paying 500 to maintain access to job data and responsibilities:
Interviewee: "Is this a paid role?"
Interviewer: "Well, yes, in a sense..."
I saw an advert in Dubai - Female, 25 - 30, blond, blue eyed. That was on the job advert!!!
@@Jock609 Wild
@@andrewverlaine Not for Dubai
Surely the company should be paying them 500 a week, not the other way around! I mean, if someone can afford to pay 500 a week, why would they be seeking a job in the first place?
you say no one can do that, but at my worst, I was doing 20-22 hour days for 41 days straight, it ended in a complete and total mental breakdown, however that kind of crap happens. in some industries in the US that stuff isn't even uncommon...No matter what anyone tells you, work culture here is an absolute joke.
20 hours a day for 40 days? your boss should be in jail for modern slavery
I did 12X7 for four months a few years ago because I had to do 3 other managers' jobs for them. For example, one of the major crises was the loss of an unknown but large number of medical images. I did not manage the database or data center, but my boss and peer managers did not give a good goddamn. Yes, I fixed it, and the network problem shutting down production every afternoon, etc, etc.
I got very sick with an unknown virus, took FMLA, and quit because I could only stay out of bed for 4 hrs after 8 weeks.
I was very ill for 3 months total, but that's not the worst of it. My joints disintegrated and my heart is damaged. I've never been able to work full-time since, and I've had 7 surgeries.
I hate those lazy and incompetent fuckers with the heat of a thousand suns.
@@williamsstephens I feel you, the combination of long hours in physical jobs on concrete has left me with destroyed knees and back, Most jobs are out of my abilities now, However, I also don't qualify for any assistance so I keep taking the jobs I can get, messing up my joints even more, end up having to leave the job, recover, and do it again, but it's gotten to the point that I basically end up down and out for 3-6 weeks at a time to recover enough to even try again.
The real American job market, "You have 20 years experience in manufacturing and culinary? Cool those are the only job offers you'll get. Oh you have a degree in computer science? too bad, your experience doesn't align with your degree"
A colleague once changed the employer. After working 24/7 for a whole week, her heart was damaged. She was 22yo
Imagine doing a two hour interview without vetting the prospect first. You dont want to work for a company like that
I never needed more than one round of interviews to decide who I wanted to hire. I have better uses for company time than rounds of interviews! If one of my employees wasted my money like this, i'd move hiring decisions over to someone else and never let them be involved in the process again
I can only imagine that after round 3 (max), they already had a candidate, but got rejected.
That's how I suspect these things to happen usually.
Every round of interview after #3 is a candidate that did not take the offer.
"... *and* pay t'mill owner to let us work there..."
… but we had it tough, but the young'ones won't believe us 😁
@@DavidGreen_au The thing I've always found so irritating about that is if they had it tough they surely know what cunts they're being so why the fuck are they dong it? This is more like the cycle of abuse than anything else.
@DavidGreen_au time to lick road clean wit tongue.
That's what we were all thinking!
I learnt long ago not to bother with any company that demands more than two interviews. They are just wasting your time and there's some issue with the hiring they aren't telling you. Thriving companies that actually need staff to do important necessary jobs don't want to mess around.
Omg that last one was from Melbourne, Australia, as VCAT is from Melbourne’s state of Victoria!
I've definitely been in situations where I wish I had the audacity to bill them for my wasted time 😂 But to be clear, that's a ridiculous thing to actually do
From my Game Theory and Negotiations class, whomever tells their salary range first, loses.
I love your videos. Ive just come by your shorts, im now going to binge watch all of your videos.
And had one company ask for TWENTY years of work history. I dont even remember! Fuck that.
I bet they wanted the candidate to be under 25 too.
Thirty years ago, I applied to a luxury, multinational shoe & accessories company. I had to go through 4 rounds of interviews & a lie detector test!
One that I heard here was a requirement for a person to speak the language of the company as a native language. I see this all the time in Flanders (Belgium). They say "Nederlands: Moedertaal" - Dutch: Mother tongue. It's a way to deny employment to people who studied the language as a second language (in this case immigrants and Walloons). I saw this all over the place for IT jobs. It's pretty disgusting.
That sounds crazy because isn't the entire IT industry English thanks to a lot of the standards and the Internet itself being invented in the US? I'd expect IT people to be required to be fluent in English, without native mattering. Airlines/aviation is all in English too, right? Are people expected to be multilingual to work in an airport?
3.30: Wouldn’t hiring based on sex be illegal in the UK in the first place?
Someone needs to explain the difference between job and volunteering to certain people. This is like you telling the landlord: "If you want to rent me this place just to take my money......" LOL
I don't even apply for the job unless the salary range is clearly advertised - not wasting my time.
3:10 - 3:20 -- the best response to that part is to go to the interviewer, "I don't get mad... I get even."
Why the heck don't employers just let people know right away what a job pays. Sure, a range is acceptable due to experience, knowledge etc., but to not give a prospective employee any idea of what the pay is for the job before the process begins could end up being a waste of both the job seeker and employer's time.
That sounds about right. My former employer (government agency) performed two rounds max.
The first was used to weed out those who didn't meet the minimum requirements (e.g. no degree yet for the position or a driver's license), while the second was the actual job interview itself in front of a panel of three.
Cool, so... The important part is that i enjoy what i do for work... Whether i can afford four walls and a roof around me, whether i can afford to eat or not, whether i can afford the clothes on my back that's all not important, it's just a bonus...
Head developer and Head of HR needed two full hours to conclude the person was woefully unqualified? That seems like a self-own to me.
My friend was once given a complex reporting task at a technical interview. She finished and asked for feedback to which the interviewer said "How should I know? I don't know how to do these, I'm HR - will give you a call before the next round". There was no next round, they found a more suitable candidate 😂
Don't 8 -10 rounds of interviews waste their own time as well. At this point it seems like they don't want to hire anyone, but just to talk. Do they fet paid to have open positions or something?
I turned up for an interview on time to find 2 other applicants there with the same appointment. I thought okay it's going to be a group interview, but no. After waiting 10 minutes for the interviewer, he asked who had arrived first and interviewed them. He also criticized one of the applicants for wearing a COVID mask. I felt like telling this applicant that he should just leave and not waste his time, but instead, I decided not to waste mine and I left.
Companies dick people around and waste their time all they way, but heaven forbid people apply for a job they're only 80% qualified for.
Also - VCAT is the Victorian Civil & Administrative Tribunal in Australia.
I always hated the we cant hire you without experience, yet how does one get experience if one doesnt get hired?
If I was billed for "wasting interviewers time" I'd turn the tables and bill them. They read the resume and chose to bring me in for a chat....I get $500/hr which is exactly what I'd invoice for
Only $500? Are you an intern? :) I'd be billing at like $200 an hour. There was the time it took to apply, the time it took to research the company, the time it took to correspond with each person, there's the time it took to craft the thank you letters. By the end of it I'd have my monthly bills taken care of by the company.
Unlimited PTO. Once interviewed for a position that offered unlimited PTO, when asked when I could start I gave a date about 3 weeks in the future stating I was leaving for a short trip in about a week. Never heard back from them.
8 rounds? Amazon does 3-4 and people criticize.
Companies in the food manufacturing industry in South Africa post an essay worth of responsibilities and requirements for a role but almost never includes the salary range so when it comes to the interview/offer it ends up being peanuts.
Hi Ben, just FYI in regards to what you said about the 3rd case and how no one can work 70-84 hours per week for 4 months, please know that whenever you go to Greece for holidays, everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) that you see working around you is working these hours for 6 months straight, no days off (or at the best case scenario one or two for the whole season and that is, if they are super lucky) under the blistering sun and all that for the truly great amount of approximately 1000-1500 Euros per month, sometimes even less for "lower paid" positions
I remember being interviewed for my nurse training, one I failed. The asked me why I wanted to be a nurse. So I said, "I like eating, being warm and housed, and that nursing seems an interesting way of achieving that."
Didn't get in there...
Apparently I supposed to say I had a vocation for it, like I was joining holy orders. I never could say that one with a remotely straight face.
An agency once sent me to an interview (I was a developer). We sat down and did my spiel, how I loved the creativity of coding, the full project life cycle etc etc. At the end her looked at me and said they were looking for a business analyst and not a developer. I ended the interview honestly saying that analysing finance in business would bore me rigid. This situation was not his fault but the agency as they clearly lied to this company. I bever used them again.
I applied to a securit company, had a great first telephone interview, owner absolutely thrilled. They send me an offer on sunday, and request a second interview (backwards). Monday I emailed them my schedule for the video interview (evwn though i got an offer) and I immediately recieve a canned reply, 'we've rejected your application'.
I think #3 mixed up job postings with dating profiles. Obviously wanting to hire someone for a little bit more than work...
The "thick-skinned" comment could be quite merciful. But only in one position I have worked at. It was a service to call the people for a phone and internet provider, where the technician either due to his full schedule, due to technicians calling in sick or other unplanned incidents, like a job taking way longer then usual or at one point I still remember the technician getting trapped on a roof by the house owner on the 5th floor by locking the door behind him and disappearing, until the fire department could get him off there.
In that job, it had nothing to do with your coworkers you needed a thick skin. You were calling people, who often stayed at home that day, to tell them the technician is not coming and want to reschedule a new time. That job had the worst "customers yelling at you" experience I ever had, including retail and tech support.
One thing I have learned - if your interviewer starts showing you glitzy award ceremonies, talking about how much you earn and showing you massive monthly bonuses that "you could earn" then run away fast. If they're selling the job to you it's going to be a scam.
It would seem with some employers, the concept of working to live and not living to work is one they were unfamiliar with.
The smoking/fat problem and under 25 years old is such a black company thing. For those that don't know, black companies (ブラック会社) are Japanese companies that are known for exploitative, nasty practices. Many people who work for them end up killing themselves.
It was not unusual for me to see job adverts like this in Tokyo - but usually they were looking for an office assistant, not a tech professional!!
One interview is plenty
Our company has an initial phone call, just to make sure we're not wasting everyones time, and two in person, but the second in person one is more of a "meet the team/workplace" formality. By that point they've got the job, its more to make sure they know what they're getting themselves in for. Not that its a bad place to work, but it has its quirks which has made some people not work out. We've never not employed someone who got the second interview - its more of a "when can you start?" question.
Supervise 200 kids? At a time? They be in cages or on sleeping pills?
HR Departments have become a law unto themselves, ideally there should be a process in place where any dealings with them could be overseen by an independent 3rd party during the recruitment process. This would ensure job applicants are treated fairly.
I attended a interview where I was interviewed by two women (middle aged white man) and I was asked near the end of the interview, "what kind of environment do you currently work in" when I replied, mostly male environment, 'I was told, yeah its a majority woman environment here.' I was rejected from the job, when I asked why, I was told it was because I couldn't remember the name of the person who founded the company. That was last October
Response to "fat problem": I don't have a problem with far people. Do you?
This is a great channel, but it simply confirms just how grateful I am that I retired 10 years ago. I never had to deal with any of this BS from any of my employers.
I've seen the "thick skinned" thing listed on customer-facing (read: Karen facing) job descriptions quite often. Especially those where they're recruiting for the call centre of a debt collector's agency.
The employer might not really have a say in whether or not the clientele is going to be made up of reasonable people. Putting up a warning beforehand may save both the applicant and the employer significant time, they don't want to deal with the high turn over of employees and the employee probably doesn't want to deal with an angry Karen who doesn't want to pay her cable tv bills, but violently demands her connection be turned back on before the bold and beautiful is on this afternoon.
The one about working with children with the inane hours and no time off sounds like a kids activity counselor on a cruise ship, where sadly this kind of contract is standard.
I once applied for a job and they gave me an interview date in a month's time. I went along and the interview went well. A month later I got a letter saying the wrong person had interviewed me and gave me a new date in 6 weeks time. I went along and answered all the same questions again. A month later I got a letter saying the job was no longer available.
I suspect it never existed in the first place. HR folks/ talent acquisition teams tend to check from time to time what talent is available out there still and they legit pretend to be hiring when they are not. They waste people's time and lower their self-esteem in the process. (But normally they don't charge the candidates for wasting HR's precious time😅)
Did anyone notice the company that wanted a young non-smoking skinny said “native English speaker” and “no smoking and fat problem”? 😂
I do wonder if some of these ads for jobs are deliberately written to put people off because they've been told to post the position but planning to give it to their mate, girlfriend etc