I like both themes. The original is more melancholic while the remake keeps some of the melancholy while adding some "epicness" to the fight. I agree with a commenter on Reddit who said that the original theme was for Maiden Astraea, while the remake theme was for Garl Vinland.
This boss fight just really makes you pause and question your motivation. As a character we consume souls for power to slay greater demons and to prevent becoming a mindless red phantom. Here is a fallen cleric and her guardian, offering souls to the old one in exchange for power to comfort others abandoned in a world ensnared by death. Ultimately, she doesn’t even raise a hand to you. There are no victors or champions in Boletaria. This song for me, just really captures the acceptance of what is, along with seeing hope which is forever just out of one’s reach.
You summarised this so beautifully. After recently replaying the game several times once again, it was really great to see your comment here - since, out of all the boss fights - the Maiden Astraea fight is the one that REALLY sticks with me the most. Like you said - it makes one question their motivations, at this point in the game/story. Love it when a game can make the player feel like the ANTAGONIST for a change…
Original theme: I really do love how the harp rhyme in the original sound creepy yet tragic at the same time. But I can't help but notice the rhythm itself isn't very long and when you do break it down it's always on repeat. But overall I still love it Remake: oh boy when I saw that new theme came out I saw MILLIONS of people hating the new theme of Maiden Astrea. Like I get it that there are certain stuff you don't like about the remake but good god calm down. But how's the new theme compare to the original? Honestly, I prefer this over the original. Why? Because it does such a good job of telling the tragedy of Garl Vinland and Maiden Astrea. Two people who came to the valley of defilement to help those that were cast away from both the kingdom and by the god she had faith in for so long only to see that how miserable and hopeless the valley is. So she decided to stay and help of those in the valley only to become a demon at the end of the day. To the slayer of Demon's, they don't see a person trying to help those in the valley. They only see another demon to be slain by their hand and Garl of Vinland is the only thing that stands in your way of getting her soul. And the new theme they added when we kill Garl, perfectly suits that Astrea lost everything. Her beloved bodyguard, her faith in God, so why bother putting up a fight?
I fucking adore the remake’s version it reeks of desperation, really makes it feel like Vinland’s last stand. And the tonal shift after his death is great sounding.
INDEED! Screw the haters, lol - the Remake did the old theme justice, dude. Especially with that tonal shift once you realise what you’ve done. It sets the mood in an extremely powerful way that reaches my very soul.
I never played the original, but I get the arguments being made. However I agree with you and I love the remake theme. That shift in the music after killing Vinland, and the shift after killing Astraea are my favorite parts.
I like both, but I think the original works more for me. It's simplicity gives it a more sorrowful, desperate feeling. Plus the instrumentation of the harpsichord or whatever it is gives it a much darker gothic vibe that I adore. New version feels a bit too epic
I think the more "epic" feel of the remake version fits if you think of it more from Garl Vinland's perspective. It's not the theme of your fight against him, it's his fight against you. His last stand to protect his maiden.
...Okay, I've bitterly resented the remake version of this song, but you've sold me on how it would work if used for a biphasic fight. Sort of like how FFXIV's major story boss themes are often double or tripartite songs. i would love that for this actually. thank u for showing me the way!!!!
i would LOVE a version with the slow theme placed in the middle, ending on the louder of the two remake themes. but that really and truly IS my ffxiv story-trial boss theme vibes talking......
Personally I think both are equally as good. I like the old one because i think it leads more to the ambiance and is less “epic” but I can’t deny the remake is better as a pure boss fight song because of Garl vinlands and astreas story.
That could just be attributed to essentially telling the story of astraea and garl vinland from a different perspective. they're not evil, they're not violent. They want only to bring peace to the denizens of the valley. Nonetheless, they must be stopped, as their good intentions are being used by the old one to feed itself.
People who complain about nostalgia are so dumb, music is one of the oldest forms of art meaning you can't just brute force it in remakes and you have to be really good in the field otherwise it usuallycomes across as underwhelming(also why it's nearly always downgraded in any remake) This bit of music is basically the reason Maiden Astrea hits so hard, it's the first proper "melancholic souls" moment and the music is HUGELY important alongside the voice work in getting that across No place for cellos and a choir, sooo bad
analysing both from a neutral point of view i will make it short: The original one: a loop of a very simple melody, probably accurate by the time the original game was made. most people that are attached to nostalgia will probably prefer this one. The remake: a much more elaborated and complex performance, proper for a next gen version and definitely a more fitting one (for this new version of the game) newcomers and most people in general (except the already mentioned classic fans) will prefer this one. although from my point of view there's no reason to get mad because of that. The ones that hate the remake so much can play the classic one, nobody forces them to buy the new version 🤷🏻♂️
The reason people hate the remake is because it'll probably be the version people play the most and it butchers the artistic vision of the original game. Not everything has to be some complex piece, the original is simple for a reason. You are meant to question whether or not you are truly just at this moment and the track is an appropriately sober piece. Saying "if you prefer this one its because of nostalgia" is a BS argument. The remake version, I agree is more fitting for the new version of the game but that is due to what I mentioned prior. The remake removed the original's dark, horror atmosphere in favor of an almost TLOR type vibe and it seems to be trying to be something like Dark Souls 3 when that isn't what Demon's Souls is. The remake track has an "epic" feel to it which almost entirely disregards the context of the scene. I will always love the Demon's Souls remake, it was my first Souls game and despite only four years passing I have grown nostalgic for it but I can acknowledge that in every artistic measure, the original is superior and it is my preferred way of playing the game now. The remake stands as a technical masterpiece, however it completely lost the soul of the original. Just because it's next gen doesn't mean they had to go "elaborate and complex" for the piece, they could've used their to resources instead preserve the feel of the original track while providing an upgrade. An example of an OST doing something like this is the FF7 remake or an even better example being the recent Silent Hill 2 remake.
@@gotyournose6479 but it's very simple, if the new soundtrack is the main reason to hate the Remake then buying the Deluxe edition solves the problem completely 👍🏻 there you have both, the original and the new soundtrack, so all people can be equally happy and nobody suffers. I wonder how many people know there's an option to change the soundtrack? 🤷🏻♂️ P.S. I just checked it, it's not possible unfortunately. I didn't know, i thought it was like the edition Capcom made for RE2 Remake :/
the remake is alright but nothing compares to the first one. The first one gives me a feeling of hopelessness, sorrow and despair. It truly reflect the situation the maiden was in and while the player had to deal with with her bodyguard it is the maiden which we were targeting (therefore the Antagonist). The remake ost put to much emphasis on the battle between the player and vinland. In my opinion way too epic and (emotionally) uplifting and shift away the focus from the maiden.
While the Remake version surely sounds good, its just such a generic interpretation of the original. It really feels like this applies to the entire Remake. Looks and sounds great but lacks the uniqueness of the original that still sets it apart from every other game, even amongst FromSoft titles.
@@JGSM_JuvenileGeryon I've played the original, and the Remake is 10 times better, so STFU, and get the heck off youtube if you can't handle the truth.
@@rysspace2511 I only played Demon's Souls PS3 a few weeks ago. No nostalgia. It's just the better version. Gratitude? Why would I be grateful to someone that isn't giving me anything? They charged money for the game. $70, no less. Not to say they're evil for doing that, but it doesn't qualify them for sainthood, either.
On one hand, I do agree that the remake does not fit the tone of the scene. On the other hand, I still prefer the remake theme in a vacuum, it still sounds good, but not every theme fits the scene.
just because of the way youre wording your comment in such a childish way shows what type of person you are, kim belair mindset... you dont have to insult others just because they prefer a differnet OST for demons souls... i think the one in their moms basement is actually you, you seem like you care too much
Both are amazing in their own way. We should enjoy both and stop crying like babies 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ for those ones who don't like the remake, here's the solution: don't buy it 👍🏻🦫
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FINALLY somebody uploaded the somber part after we kill Garl, THANK YOU for that.
It’s incomplete without it!
I like both themes. The original is more melancholic while the remake keeps some of the melancholy while adding some "epicness" to the fight. I agree with a commenter on Reddit who said that the original theme was for Maiden Astraea, while the remake theme was for Garl Vinland.
I just want to say thank you for being the only one who actually includes the final part of the song.
This boss fight just really makes you pause and question your motivation. As a character we consume souls for power to slay greater demons and to prevent becoming a mindless red phantom. Here is a fallen cleric and her guardian, offering souls to the old one in exchange for power to comfort others abandoned in a world ensnared by death. Ultimately, she doesn’t even raise a hand to you. There are no victors or champions in Boletaria. This song for me, just really captures the acceptance of what is, along with seeing hope which is forever just out of one’s reach.
You summarised this so beautifully. After recently replaying the game several times once again, it was really great to see your comment here - since, out of all the boss fights - the Maiden Astraea fight is the one that REALLY sticks with me the most. Like you said - it makes one question their motivations, at this point in the game/story. Love it when a game can make the player feel like the ANTAGONIST for a change…
«Go fourth, Garl Vinland.
May you be unharmed.»
Best dialouge in the game, alongside
«I shall await thy return, Slayer of Demons.»
**Gets parried to death, like a little b1tch**
Original theme: I really do love how the harp rhyme in the original sound creepy yet tragic at the same time. But I can't help but notice the rhythm itself isn't very long and when you do break it down it's always on repeat. But overall I still love it
Remake: oh boy when I saw that new theme came out I saw MILLIONS of people hating the new theme of Maiden Astrea. Like I get it that there are certain stuff you don't like about the remake but good god calm down. But how's the new theme compare to the original? Honestly, I prefer this over the original. Why? Because it does such a good job of telling the tragedy of Garl Vinland and Maiden Astrea. Two people who came to the valley of defilement to help those that were cast away from both the kingdom and by the god she had faith in for so long only to see that how miserable and hopeless the valley is. So she decided to stay and help of those in the valley only to become a demon at the end of the day. To the slayer of Demon's, they don't see a person trying to help those in the valley. They only see another demon to be slain by their hand and Garl of Vinland is the only thing that stands in your way of getting her soul. And the new theme they added when we kill Garl, perfectly suits that Astrea lost everything. Her beloved bodyguard, her faith in God, so why bother putting up a fight?
The ultimate chad comment.
The words of a cool guy
I didn’t know her lore, thanks dude good comment
@@minnows-_- highly recommend Vaatividya Prepare to Cry series of Demon's Souls because it's so good.
The original theme screams “Blue Blood.”
The remake is just more churchy Bloodborne music
I fucking adore the remake’s version it reeks of desperation, really makes it feel like Vinland’s last stand. And the tonal shift after his death is great sounding.
INDEED! Screw the haters, lol - the Remake did the old theme justice, dude. Especially with that tonal shift once you realise what you’ve done. It sets the mood in an extremely powerful way that reaches my very soul.
I never played the original, but I get the arguments being made. However I agree with you and I love the remake theme. That shift in the music after killing Vinland, and the shift after killing Astraea are my favorite parts.
I love them both,.. like punctuality of first,.. maybe sombornes of the second more,.. Just great
I just came to watch, but immediately got goosebumps because of the music.
Both are just amazing. At first i was botter about change, but my goodness its all good
I love both and play both versions of the game.
I like both, but I think the original works more for me. It's simplicity gives it a more sorrowful, desperate feeling. Plus the instrumentation of the harpsichord or whatever it is gives it a much darker gothic vibe that I adore. New version feels a bit too epic
I think the more "epic" feel of the remake version fits if you think of it more from Garl Vinland's perspective. It's not the theme of your fight against him, it's his fight against you. His last stand to protect his maiden.
...Okay, I've bitterly resented the remake version of this song, but you've sold me on how it would work if used for a biphasic fight. Sort of like how FFXIV's major story boss themes are often double or tripartite songs. i would love that for this actually. thank u for showing me the way!!!!
i would LOVE a version with the slow theme placed in the middle, ending on the louder of the two remake themes. but that really and truly IS my ffxiv story-trial boss theme vibes talking......
Personally I think both are equally as good. I like the old one because i think it leads more to the ambiance and is less “epic” but I can’t deny the remake is better as a pure boss fight song because of Garl vinlands and astreas story.
Yes, the remake is more orchestral and elaborate, but the original just packs more punch, feels more powerful. The remake is too soft with its notes.
That could just be attributed to essentially telling the story of astraea and garl vinland from a different perspective. they're not evil, they're not violent. They want only to bring peace to the denizens of the valley. Nonetheless, they must be stopped, as their good intentions are being used by the old one to feed itself.
It's like gold and silver 🤩
@The Radience Great work editing this! I was wondering, can I use it in a “sad boss music” compilation I’m making?
Of course you can!
@@21ldavil21 Thanks so much! I’ll be sure to link you in the description ^_^
People who complain about nostalgia are so dumb, music is one of the oldest forms of art meaning you can't just brute force it in remakes and you have to be really good in the field otherwise it usuallycomes across as underwhelming(also why it's nearly always downgraded in any remake)
This bit of music is basically the reason Maiden Astrea hits so hard, it's the first proper "melancholic souls" moment and the music is HUGELY important alongside the voice work in getting that across
No place for cellos and a choir, sooo bad
no dialogue????
Remake is more epic and sad, Orginal was Sad and dark
I get why people prefer either, but a lot of people not acknowledging why the og is more unique and poignant is 50iq behaviour
analysing both from a neutral point of view i will make it short:
The original one: a loop of a very simple melody, probably accurate by the time the original game was made.
most people that are attached to nostalgia will probably prefer this one.
The remake: a much more elaborated and complex performance, proper for a next gen version and definitely a more fitting one (for this new version of the game)
newcomers and most people in general (except the already mentioned classic fans) will prefer this one.
although from my point of view there's no reason to get mad because of that. The ones that hate the remake so much can play the classic one, nobody forces them to buy the new version 🤷🏻♂️
The reason people hate the remake is because it'll probably be the version people play the most and it butchers the artistic vision of the original game. Not everything has to be some complex piece, the original is simple for a reason. You are meant to question whether or not you are truly just at this moment and the track is an appropriately sober piece. Saying "if you prefer this one its because of nostalgia" is a BS argument. The remake version, I agree is more fitting for the new version of the game but that is due to what I mentioned prior. The remake removed the original's dark, horror atmosphere in favor of an almost TLOR type vibe and it seems to be trying to be something like Dark Souls 3 when that isn't what Demon's Souls is. The remake track has an "epic" feel to it which almost entirely disregards the context of the scene. I will always love the Demon's Souls remake, it was my first Souls game and despite only four years passing I have grown nostalgic for it but I can acknowledge that in every artistic measure, the original is superior and it is my preferred way of playing the game now. The remake stands as a technical masterpiece, however it completely lost the soul of the original. Just because it's next gen doesn't mean they had to go "elaborate and complex" for the piece, they could've used their to resources instead preserve the feel of the original track while providing an upgrade. An example of an OST doing something like this is the FF7 remake or an even better example being the recent Silent Hill 2 remake.
@@gotyournose6479 but it's very simple, if the new soundtrack is the main reason to hate the Remake then buying the Deluxe edition solves the problem completely 👍🏻 there you have both, the original and the new soundtrack, so all people can be equally happy and nobody suffers. I wonder how many people know there's an option to change the soundtrack? 🤷🏻♂️
P.S. I just checked it, it's not possible unfortunately. I didn't know, i thought it was like the edition Capcom made for RE2 Remake :/
the remake is alright but nothing compares to the first one. The first one gives me a feeling of hopelessness, sorrow and despair. It truly reflect the situation the maiden was in and while the player had to deal with with her bodyguard it is the maiden which we were targeting (therefore the Antagonist). The remake ost put to much emphasis on the battle between the player and vinland. In my opinion way too epic and (emotionally) uplifting and shift away the focus from the maiden.
While the Remake version surely sounds good, its just such a generic interpretation of the original. It really feels like this applies to the entire Remake. Looks and sounds great but lacks the uniqueness of the original that still sets it apart from every other game, even amongst FromSoft titles.
The remake version is not generic at all...
@cbs1n15 yes, it really is.
@@MavRick-hh7tpno it isnt, you hear choir snd immediately call it generic
@@A-Rune-bear sure, just the choir makes it generic for me.
So many whining nostalgic babies in this comment section, I mean seriously it’s a remake not a remaster
It changed all the great parts of the original to mediocre quality while keeping the same old fucking combat with no improvement whatsoever
@@JGSM_JuvenileGeryon I've played the original, and the Remake is 10 times better, so STFU, and get the heck off youtube if you can't handle the truth.
@@kratkartan1486 >I played the original
>better
>Truth
Oooof when the joke starts?
Oh it was no joke...
Don’t care + didn’t ask
I played and beat the ps3 version for the first time after the remake and it was way better
The original is better because it's the original and because i say it and my word is the law and the only truth 🧐 (random psychopaths xD)
bro the remake is 50 times better, are you people high?
Deadass
@@cbs1n15 aliveass
It’s something called nostalgia and not being grateful
@@rysspace2511 I only played Demon's Souls PS3 a few weeks ago. No nostalgia. It's just the better version.
Gratitude? Why would I be grateful to someone that isn't giving me anything? They charged money for the game. $70, no less. Not to say they're evil for doing that, but it doesn't qualify them for sainthood, either.
@@xSilentZeroXx Fr. They didn't give us the game, we had to pay for it. It's a mutual exchange.
The remake made it so generic
You are generic
Gone is the nostalgic and unique of the original replaced with a mediocre version.
nah, you just a fanboy.
On one hand, I do agree that the remake does not fit the tone of the scene. On the other hand, I still prefer the remake theme in a vacuum, it still sounds good, but not every theme fits the scene.
Nostalgia has a crazy grip on you
Ive played both games and while yes some of the tracks got worse in the remake this one is an exception. stop hating
I love both, happy I get to enjoy them both unlike some of you guys that just want to hate for nothing
The new version is so much better
Waaambulance coming in for those ps3 babies who think they are special because they beat the easiest souls game in their moms basement.
Don’t care that I’m late. Grow up and realize a good version when you see it. Cry more
just because of the way youre wording your comment in such a childish way shows what type of person you are, kim belair mindset... you dont have to insult others just because they prefer a differnet OST for demons souls... i think the one in their moms basement is actually you, you seem like you care too much
Both are amazing in their own way. We should enjoy both and stop crying like babies 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
for those ones who don't like the remake, here's the solution: don't buy it 👍🏻🦫