I honestly like Vecna/001's motivations bc he's just a born 'psychopath' who's never cared about people/his own family and has no remorse for even the kids who had powers like him. He displays it in the flashbacks when he kills animals, and he only likes spiders bc he relates to the feeling of superiority over his own kind, just like them. And he's a good foil to Eleven who's trying to fit in with regular society after having been raised in isolation and grown to think that she's a bad person bc of her powers.
He wasn't just a born psychopath, he was telepathic and could literally see into everyone's minds around him. Imagine the horror of knowing what everyone around you is truly thinking, no secrets, no little white lies.
@@bridgethaines7127 But what's the difference between Henry and El? They have the same powers yet Eleven has grown into a good person who's constantly saving the people around her, despite how badly she's been abused. Whereas Henry, as a child, killed not only his parents but his sister too on the basis that he saw them as imperfect beings that were far inferior to him, even when his parents cared so much about him that they moved their living situation specifically to help him.
@@beccazach Henry grew up knowing the sins of his actual parents. And was surrounded by normal people who couldn't hide their thoughts from him, because they were not special children as well. He grew up being told by teachers and relatives and doctors that he was broken. EEleven was surrounded by other powered kids who had a buffer against her and was told she was special. Henry was also enslaved when he became too powerful, had all his senses entirely cut off from him since Papa decided to make more of him because he couldn't be controlled. He grew into a 30 year old adult in captivity. Eleven was...eleven when she escaped, and she fled into the comfort of people who cared about and cared for her immediately.
Also, she was only even aware she was abused in what we saw in episode 7. Which was a coup against her orchestrated by Henry to get her to free him. He manipulated the children in those final weeks of her living in the facility, before that she had no inkling or even frame of reference to know something was wrong other than the brief moment Jane was dragged out after trying to find her. She was in a bubble, isolated from what we consider "normal". So for those first years of her life before she sent him to the Upside Down, she had no idea anything wasn't as it was supposed to be.
@@bridgethaines7127 Ok so "born psychopath" probably wasn't an accurate phrase to use, since it only develops during someone's life from outside factors or inherited genes. You're right, he probably did feel isolated after being treated like he was different (while he doesn't explain what exactly caused doctors and teachers to call him that, it might've been his apathy or different behavior toward things due to his telepathy). But while El was raised in a lab surrounded by people who knew and accepted her powers, after she survived 001's attack she was constantly made to kill and do horrible things by Dr.Brenner that she didn't want to do, so her trauma is valid. I can see where 001 is coming from, but it definitely doesn't mean he gets to be the sole judge and executioner of his parents, sister, and every other human in the world who has trauma or made mistakes. But he makes for a great villain and his motive makes sense when you delve into it (although killing all the other superpowered children like him to strengthen himself instead of letting them live kinda shows that he's also a bit narcissistic).
the whole point of that final fight between El and Henry/Vecna/001 was that love is more powerful than hate. the reason she was able to beat him is that he is a psychopath who doesn't understand human emotion, other than hate and anger. on the flipside, despite all El has been through, she has held onto her humanity and is able to tap into the most powerful emotion: love. the show has demonstrated this concept time and again. love saved Will in seasons 1 and 2, it saved El and turned Billy in season 3, and it saved Max in episode 4 of this season. anyway, something to think about. thanks for the laughs guys! ❤
Just in case no one has told you guys yet, the last two episodes are about 4 hours long in total. The finale is almost 2.5 hours, so be ready to watch a whole ass movie that day.
I disagree, I think Vecna is the best villain of this series. The Demagorgon was just a wild animal without any motivation other than killing and while some people like the cthulu-esque vibe of the Mindflyer I personally find it very dull. I don't know, I was never scared of these alien-type monsters with unknowable motivations. 001/Vecna appeals to me for two reasons: 1.- His motivations, like you said, are simple. His monologue is *supposed* to be weak ass whiny excuses to justify himself, and we are supposed to notice that. He is just a sick, evil bastard. He thinks what we all think about life and humanity in some way, but the difference is that he was born with an antisocial disorder, he wants to act on these thoughts, and his powers, they not only gave him the tool to act on the toughs, they made him sure that he was superior to all humanity. 2.- Even though I complained about the Demagorgon and the Mindflyer for not having enough motivations, I find it refreshing in Vecna, as he is a human. He doesn't have a tragic backstory, he wasn't abused, or depressed, or lonely or sad. He didn't even care about those things, he was just evil. He was wrong, and I find it so much more scarier than wild beasts or aliens intelligences, because all of us humans are capable of that darkness. There are actually sick people unable to feel compassion or love, there are serial killers whose motivation is pure sadism. You don't know if your neighbor or your family member or even yourself is growing a serial killer inside and that is f*cking terrifying to me.
What I am trying to say is that I was tired of villains having a tragic backstory of hurt and sadness and depression as motivation for their actions. And they let Henry Creel just be evil. We already have Billy for the first type of "villain".
demogorgon* but that's humans who are like that not wild animals who only do when they have to. It's not wild animals that call hunting/fishing, fun/a sport/relaxing/whatever nonsense. But I agree they're basically wild animals, hunting for life/survival (food/defence), all animals are like that except humans.
@@justthej Um, no. How people can suscribe to the idea that one character can be good, like oh they are good people inside, but not accept that a person can be evil from the start? Henry wasn't bullied, or neglected or traumatized, he was just evil.
the last time I watched these guys was when they were watching Black Sails years ago. lol I'm glad homeboy finally entered the Jehova Witnesses with that outfit.
I feel like it ties into the first season when will was taken. Cause when will locked his door, something unlocked it from the opposite side and it can’t be the demogorgens. And in season 3 will kept saying “he’s” here every time he felt something. I don’t know why vecna didn’t just kill will tho instead of kidnapping him. maybe it’ll be revealed in the next season.
@@Cassxowary oh yeah but I mean in the shed when he was holding the gun and then disappeared. I feel like vecna took him in that moment. Cause he was just gone no screams or anything. Then he prob escaped and hid. Lol i know it sounds like a wild theory.
Papa had survived for the same reason Jonathan did; distraction by someone else and Henry Creel/001/Peter Ballard/Vecna is what tragically happens when a psychopathic, or even sociopathic in other cases, kid who retained his abilities goes untreated/uncared for properly/untrained properly... like Mary Bell, or Robert Thompson and Jon Venables, or others but with abilities like that... imagine being in your early 30s and getting beat by a 7-8 year old lol go Eleven!
One thing can be said for Jonathan, at least he recognizes Nancy has her own dreams to become a journalist. He loves her enough to let her go so she can pursue that.
This is something I can definitely commend him for. It’s a testament to how much he loves her and respects her ambition. The problem is in him lying to her. The two really need to work on their communication.
agreed. I hated the Nancy and Steve romance weirdness this season, it felt forced and unnecessary. all Nancy and Jonathan need to do is have an honest conversation.
@@hermoniefb nah, it’s backwards writing. putting Nancy and Steve back together negates so much of the Season 1 and 2 story arc involving Nancy and Jonathan building their relationship and Steve figuring out who he is without Nancy. to push them back together like this *just* because Nancy and Jonathan are in a long distance relationship is weird and I hate it. Steve deserves someone better than Nancy, who appreciates him and doesn’t just think about him when her boyfriend isn’t around. I just think that their characters have evolved beyond that relationship and I want to see something new.
@@the_nikster1 here we go again to "Steve deserves better than nancy' shit. she was in pain for her friend in season two Steve didn't care enough for barb an forced her to move on and didn't understand her at all. Duffers said they had to break up because they both need to grown up. Clearly you just focused on Steve's arc not Nancy. She was 16 and her friend died she blamed herself and Steve for it then she tried to solve things with Jonathan because Steve wanted to join parties with her instead of helping her to figure things out in season 2. Till season 4 they both changed and became mature persons and relazed they still have some feelings to another and I'm pretty sure they're Endgame which is so understandable to me 💕
I appreciate that ya'll are critiquing Vecna as a villain, I love the inhuman creatures and nebulous evil hivemind much more than another cookie cutter psychopath who hates humanity
I honestly like Vecna/001's motivations bc he's just a born 'psychopath' who's never cared about people/his own family and has no remorse for even the kids who had powers like him. He displays it in the flashbacks when he kills animals, and he only likes spiders bc he relates to the feeling of superiority over his own kind, just like them. And he's a good foil to Eleven who's trying to fit in with regular society after having been raised in isolation and grown to think that she's a bad person bc of her powers.
He wasn't just a born psychopath, he was telepathic and could literally see into everyone's minds around him. Imagine the horror of knowing what everyone around you is truly thinking, no secrets, no little white lies.
@@bridgethaines7127 But what's the difference between Henry and El? They have the same powers yet Eleven has grown into a good person who's constantly saving the people around her, despite how badly she's been abused. Whereas Henry, as a child, killed not only his parents but his sister too on the basis that he saw them as imperfect beings that were far inferior to him, even when his parents cared so much about him that they moved their living situation specifically to help him.
@@beccazach Henry grew up knowing the sins of his actual parents. And was surrounded by normal people who couldn't hide their thoughts from him, because they were not special children as well. He grew up being told by teachers and relatives and doctors that he was broken. EEleven was surrounded by other powered kids who had a buffer against her and was told she was special. Henry was also enslaved when he became too powerful, had all his senses entirely cut off from him since Papa decided to make more of him because he couldn't be controlled. He grew into a 30 year old adult in captivity. Eleven was...eleven when she escaped, and she fled into the comfort of people who cared about and cared for her immediately.
Also, she was only even aware she was abused in what we saw in episode 7. Which was a coup against her orchestrated by Henry to get her to free him. He manipulated the children in those final weeks of her living in the facility, before that she had no inkling or even frame of reference to know something was wrong other than the brief moment Jane was dragged out after trying to find her. She was in a bubble, isolated from what we consider "normal". So for those first years of her life before she sent him to the Upside Down, she had no idea anything wasn't as it was supposed to be.
@@bridgethaines7127 Ok so "born psychopath" probably wasn't an accurate phrase to use, since it only develops during someone's life from outside factors or inherited genes. You're right, he probably did feel isolated after being treated like he was different (while he doesn't explain what exactly caused doctors and teachers to call him that, it might've been his apathy or different behavior toward things due to his telepathy). But while El was raised in a lab surrounded by people who knew and accepted her powers, after she survived 001's attack she was constantly made to kill and do horrible things by Dr.Brenner that she didn't want to do, so her trauma is valid.
I can see where 001 is coming from, but it definitely doesn't mean he gets to be the sole judge and executioner of his parents, sister, and every other human in the world who has trauma or made mistakes. But he makes for a great villain and his motive makes sense when you delve into it (although killing all the other superpowered children like him to strengthen himself instead of letting them live kinda shows that he's also a bit narcissistic).
the whole point of that final fight between El and Henry/Vecna/001 was that love is more powerful than hate. the reason she was able to beat him is that he is a psychopath who doesn't understand human emotion, other than hate and anger. on the flipside, despite all El has been through, she has held onto her humanity and is able to tap into the most powerful emotion: love. the show has demonstrated this concept time and again. love saved Will in seasons 1 and 2, it saved El and turned Billy in season 3, and it saved Max in episode 4 of this season.
anyway, something to think about. thanks for the laughs guys! ❤
and yet no one learns that and dismisses it as some fictional show thing...
Thanks for the demagorgen defense training Jack!
demagorgen? sound it out :p demogorgon
“is vecna number 1?”
“NO”
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and that it doesn't matter 😂😂😂
and then what they said about Steve/...!
Just in case no one has told you guys yet, the last two episodes are about 4 hours long in total. The finale is almost 2.5 hours, so be ready to watch a whole ass movie that day.
I disagree, I think Vecna is the best villain of this series. The Demagorgon was just a wild animal without any motivation other than killing and while some people like the cthulu-esque vibe of the Mindflyer I personally find it very dull. I don't know, I was never scared of these alien-type monsters with unknowable motivations. 001/Vecna appeals to me for two reasons:
1.- His motivations, like you said, are simple. His monologue is *supposed* to be weak ass whiny excuses to justify himself, and we are supposed to notice that. He is just a sick, evil bastard. He thinks what we all think about life and humanity in some way, but the difference is that he was born with an antisocial disorder, he wants to act on these thoughts, and his powers, they not only gave him the tool to act on the toughs, they made him sure that he was superior to all humanity.
2.- Even though I complained about the Demagorgon and the Mindflyer for not having enough motivations, I find it refreshing in Vecna, as he is a human. He doesn't have a tragic backstory, he wasn't abused, or depressed, or lonely or sad. He didn't even care about those things, he was just evil. He was wrong, and I find it so much more scarier than wild beasts or aliens intelligences, because all of us humans are capable of that darkness. There are actually sick people unable to feel compassion or love, there are serial killers whose motivation is pure sadism. You don't know if your neighbor or your family member or even yourself is growing a serial killer inside and that is f*cking terrifying to me.
What I am trying to say is that I was tired of villains having a tragic backstory of hurt and sadness and depression as motivation for their actions. And they let Henry Creel just be evil. We already have Billy for the first type of "villain".
demogorgon* but that's humans who are like that not wild animals who only do when they have to. It's not wild animals that call hunting/fishing, fun/a sport/relaxing/whatever nonsense. But I agree they're basically wild animals, hunting for life/survival (food/defence), all animals are like that except humans.
@@Cassxowary Lol yeah, I knew I f*cked the name up, I honestly was kind of drunk when I wrote the comment but surprisingly, I stand by all of it.
@@luiscalzoncit2820 huh? Tragedy is needed for the creation of villains. If they’re happy … No villain.
@@justthej Um, no. How people can suscribe to the idea that one character can be good, like oh they are good people inside, but not accept that a person can be evil from the start? Henry wasn't bullied, or neglected or traumatized, he was just evil.
Sensai Jack giving out the strategy for demagorgon demolishment.
Sensei* demogorgon*
"no one going to watch this far" lol juice, yes we do ;)
the last time I watched these guys was when they were watching Black Sails years ago. lol I'm glad homeboy finally entered the Jehova Witnesses with that outfit.
yeah and i still miss their Black Sails reaction u.u so sad
@@noviembre.rz1 yes! it was so awesome. that's how I discovered them
I feel like it ties into the first season when will was taken. Cause when will locked his door, something unlocked it from the opposite side and it can’t be the demogorgens. And in season 3 will kept saying “he’s” here every time he felt something. I don’t know why vecna didn’t just kill will tho instead of kidnapping him. maybe it’ll be revealed in the next season.
demogorgon* but right, but it's because he was small and quiet and knew how to hide, unlike Barb...
@@Cassxowary oh yeah but I mean in the shed when he was holding the gun and then disappeared. I feel like vecna took him in that moment. Cause he was just gone no screams or anything. Then he prob escaped and hid. Lol i know it sounds like a wild theory.
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You guys make me smile SO much! Thank you!!!
Papa had survived for the same reason Jonathan did; distraction by someone else and Henry Creel/001/Peter Ballard/Vecna is what tragically happens when a psychopathic, or even sociopathic in other cases, kid who retained his abilities goes untreated/uncared for properly/untrained properly... like Mary Bell, or Robert Thompson and Jon Venables, or others but with abilities like that...
imagine being in your early 30s and getting beat by a 7-8 year old lol go Eleven!
love your reactions glad you back ❤️
will you be watching season 3 of Umbrella Academy ? its just as good as season 2
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Has anyone mentioned how bad the audio is on the show itself? I have my iPhone’s volume up all the way and still can’t hear the audio hardly at all.
Maybe it’s just your phone because my speakers were booming lmao. I had to turn it down
Love watching your reactions to anything guys. You guy have my sense of humor and crack me up. Think you guys will get back to Black Sail?
ah ha ha
my favourite reactors back! please next time do not upload other reactions this late 😃
One thing can be said for Jonathan, at least he recognizes Nancy has her own dreams to become a journalist. He loves her enough to let her go so she can pursue that.
This is something I can definitely commend him for. It’s a testament to how much he loves her and respects her ambition. The problem is in him lying to her. The two really need to work on their communication.
agreed. I hated the Nancy and Steve romance weirdness this season, it felt forced and unnecessary. all Nancy and Jonathan need to do is have an honest conversation.
@@the_nikster1 It wasn't forced to me. they're meant to be together
@@hermoniefb nah, it’s backwards writing. putting Nancy and Steve back together negates so much of the Season 1 and 2 story arc involving Nancy and Jonathan building their relationship and Steve figuring out who he is without Nancy. to push them back together like this *just* because Nancy and Jonathan are in a long distance relationship is weird and I hate it. Steve deserves someone better than Nancy, who appreciates him and doesn’t just think about him when her boyfriend isn’t around. I just think that their characters have evolved beyond that relationship and I want to see something new.
@@the_nikster1 here we go again to "Steve deserves better than nancy' shit. she was in pain for her friend in season two Steve didn't care enough for barb an forced her to move on and didn't understand her at all. Duffers said they had to break up because they both need to grown up. Clearly you just focused on Steve's arc not Nancy. She was 16 and her friend died she blamed herself and Steve for it then she tried to solve things with Jonathan because Steve wanted to join parties with her instead of helping her to figure things out in season 2. Till season 4 they both changed and became mature persons and relazed they still have some feelings to another and I'm pretty sure they're Endgame which is so understandable to me 💕
I appreciate that ya'll are critiquing Vecna as a villain, I love the inhuman creatures and nebulous evil hivemind much more than another cookie cutter psychopath who hates humanity
This could be a stupid question but..
Are Juice and Corey twins or just brothers?
Brothers, I'm 4 years older than Juice - Corey
@@JuiceLabs Bet. The family resemblance is strong tho. Idk why I just caught it now.
@@phoenixfox2697 didn't even realize they are brothers
I think you guys missed the point of the monologue. Lol.
nah they got it. its pretty basic monologue, done a bazillions times in media
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Most psychopath's manifesto is shit, but I don't think it makes it bad
Yo you got 2 shirts on??
technically maybe 3?
did you at least stitch 2 shirts together, okay ill stop lol
I’m not gonna lie, I thought the one side was a repeating Juice Labs logo. And I was here for it.
it's from demon slayer
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New here! HAHA. I enjoy watching your reactions tho~ hope you reacts in some movies too :) Try Black Phone
Why do people think that time stopped in the upsidedown? Cant it just be a copy created a few years ago? Its just not updating.
time did stop maybe you weren’t paying attention? robin literally says “I know your house is creepily frozen in time but haven’t you always had bikes”
Man, if Jack was there that Russian demogorgon would have been toast! Thanks again for the video, I’m happy to see that Clay is feeling better :)