Why I bought a Sawstop?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In response to several queries on table saw recommendations I decided to shoot this video on the Sawstop. I have no affiliation, I simply am convinced it is the best cabinet saw you will find. They have great customer service, the saw is very well made and accurate to use. I have a few minor beefs with the saw and I discuss them in the video however the good far outweighs the not-so-good! Enjoy
Rob
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I'm a disabled vet. I've had major surgery on my right shoulder 7 times. Sometimes my nerves and muscle don't do what I tell them to do. I've tripped my saw 3 times in 5 years. Every time i have, not only was I left with a very minor scratch, but Sawstop replaced my break for free. Of course you'll want an extra one ready because they do an analysis on yours break first. Had I purchased another saw (I have the same one as in the video) I would no longer be able to do woodworking anymore. And for me woodworking has literally saved my life. The only down side (if there is to not loosing fingers) is I had a Forrest blade in there 2 times. on a disability income there not cheap to fix. but as Rob pointed out.CHEAPER THAN SURGERY.
Rob Cosman I have not used Freud. I think I'll buy one for those general cuts. I tried a lot of lades and I Just love the woodworker II. despite the cost I buy them. the first time I tripped it I didn't even realize I'd put my thumb on it. it was like small paper cut. My wife almost forced me to spend the extra money because she was convinced with my motor skill it would eventually happen. I'm so thankful. love your stuff. thank you
Rob Cosman That's interesting, I'm amazed that the blade survives. Do you have to do any tuning afterward (resharpen) or is the blade completely unscathed? Either way, I know what my next blade purchase will be.
F3Ibane with my Forest Blades I've chipped the individual blade 1 time. the other times there were tiny dings. so I send them back to Forest the be ReSharpened and straightened.....not a lot of damage but enough if you need a perfect thin cut. if the Freud is unscathed that's impressive
Mikey L Best large tool purchase of my Life. And FYI their service department is better than anything ever anywhere I have dealt with. Weather it is a problem or your just wondering if you adjusted something properly they will ot only help you, but in my experience do much more than you asked. I had an issue with a leg on my extension. I called Roger and he told me how to fix it. the next morning I get a ring at the door and UPS is there with a new extension. I called Roger back and he said even though it was a fixable problem I felt after getting off the phone you shouldn't have to fix something on a 9 month old saw so I decided to just replace it. When I was doing my maintenance I was having a hard time do to only one real arm that properly works. Again they stayed on the phone with me a king suggestions on how to get it done. Great saw from a great company. with every major purchase there is always something that you say I wish was diffrent. Well I've had my Sawstop a little over 4 years and I can not say that. in fact my only complaint is their new miter slide is a bit out of my price range for an attachment. I was Navy, But I trained with the Marines several times. I was With Force Recon In Iraq for 3 months among a few other. Enjoy your saw.
Thank you for your service sir. I hope one day that I can get one of these saws. I appreciate your testimony of not only the saw but the folks that stand behind it.
I bought my industrial 3hp SawStop in December or 2008. I just love it, it puts a smile on my face every time I use it.
Shipping one to Japan was not cheap, but I too value my fingers, and I do not think I'll ever have to upgrade my tablesaw.
The only real downside I have with the saw is the haters who just can't stand that someone would buy this saw. Haters are gonna hate.
Cheers!
StuInTokyo Wow what cost more the saw or the shipping? Congrats on your saw, I've used these before and would really love to get one myself.
Total to my door was about $5400 Canadian, and at the time the exchange rate was REALLY in my favour!
I got the saw with all the extras, two standard brake cartridges, one Dado cartridge, the dado insert, the mobility base (which is super nice!) the extra long fence rails, and the extension table, which I agree with Rob is not well done. THe saw is a 230V single phase 3hp unit. I paid $4100 before GST and PST, before shipping it was $4600, so the shipping was a really good deal, I had a friend with some pull in the business get me a good deal on the saw and the shipping. I'm a lucky guy and really do love this saw.
I guess they are just jealous, or they have other problems, dunno, but I agree that working with handtools calms the mind.
Cheers!
People don't hate SawStop, they hate Steve Gass and his attempts to force his technology on the industry through legislation.
YES! They SAY be safe, safe, safe!! We want everyone to be SAFE!! Oh, BOSCH - Bosch created a safe saw that doesn't destroy the blade...? SUE Bosch! Get that other safe saw off the market!! I really wanted a sawstop. Just now getting back to where i will be using a saw. But went to great lengths to purchase a BOSCH Reaxx - instead of a sawstop - totally because of what they did to Bosch! The Reaxx is BANNED here in the US courtesy of Sawstop. And sawstop is still going to the legislature stating all saw manufacturers should only be making 'safe' saws. Now, if I eventually get a cabinet saw - it will be a Sawstop - because they are the ONLY company who makes a 'safe' cabinet saw... @@moeszyslack4676
bought the ICS about a year ago . zero issues or complaints. been doing this for 40 years and absolutely love this saw. setup was simple . perfect? nothing is. every tool has things we wouldn't tweak . I'm a lefty .
I've had my Uni-saw since the late nineties. Purchased it because I wanted to change to a professional level and it has done everything that I have ever asked it to do. Really a centerpiece to my shop. The wife at the time didn't want to hear about how much it cost, she just wanted her kitchen done. At the time, I was only going to buy that model because that was what "Norm" was using. Now things are different, the current Uni-saw is over $3000 a long with the Powermatic and General. I am an industrial electrician and any wood shop that goes into a maintenance shop, factory or a school it is always a Sawstop. Rob, I like the way that you present yourself in all of your videos, like your explanation of the 3hp or 5hp difference. Keep up the videos, helps us become better craftsman.
The reason factories, maintenance shops, and especially schools use SawStop is because of cheaper insurance premiums. A Unisaw or PM66 is every bit as good as a SawStop, but WITHOUT the obvious safety feature. That feature alone makes it worthwhile for shops, schools, and the like to buy it to begin with or switch despite the front end cost of the saw because they save the back end costs of insurance.
I went with the Saw Stop because my kids use the shop. It's not worth the risk and what we'd need to live with if there was an accident. Not sure how I'd explain to them I chose a more dangerous saw to save a few $$$. On top of the safety of the Saw Stop, it's an extremely well designed saw. I couldn't be happier with my decision.
If you don´t trust your kids in the workshop, they shouldn´t be there in the first place. The can still hurt themselves on other machines. So your reasing does not make sense. It´s like saying "I don´t buy a gun because I don´t want my kids to find and shoot it" while you have knives lying on the table.
thanks for your review. I am looking at a saw
stop because of health problems. I take a blood thinner and a bad cut would be devastating. You have helped me make a decision.
I've been thinking about getting myself a Sawstop. Your review has helped me a lot. Thank you for sharing.
welcome, you wont regret it.
i too had a unisaw. it really kept it's value, and i was able to sell it, at a pretty good price. got the sawstop a few months ago, and couldn't be happier, with not only the performance, but the peace of mind. also, the new unisaws are almost the same price as a sawstop.
Great video. Very helpful. Thanks for taking the time to put that together for everyone.
Wonderful explanation and so honest. One of the very best reviews of a machine I've found. Thank you.
Today (2024), the PCS professional saw is available in 1.75 or 3.0 hp. The ICS industrial saw is available in a 5.0 or 7.5 hp configuration.
Totally agree! 3 hp cuts a full blade height through white oak. Wet freshly cut rain soaked grabby hemlock no issue either. Use that bypass mode! It will also tell you if it would have tripped. Nice feature
Thank you! Never even heard SawStop till today! Bought a Harbor Freight Hercules table-saw, but looking to upgrade to something way better, so SawStop is it!
I had a Unisaw too. It was a really good, well built machine. I managed to hurt myself through my own fault; it usually is... Saw Stop had just come out and I decided to buy one. The first ones were the Industrial Model and there was a discount, I assume to get people to try them. Still expensive but a lot better than damaging your hand. Rob 8said he has the Professional Model. I helped a friend set up one of those and they aren’t nearly as heavy duty as the Industrial Model. The Professional Model is available with 3hp. (Which I have), 5 hp., and 7-1/2 hp. I am perfectly happy with 3 hp. but I have talked to Industrial users who prefer more power because they can push sheets of plywood through much quicker. Saw Stop told me I could upgrade to 5 hp. easily if I needed to. I mentioned that they had just come out when I bought mine; it is serial number 0001. They made some before that but mine was the first they made after using a serial number. My work took me to another city where I didn’t have a shop. When I retired and set up my current shop, the saw wouldn’t run. I called Saw Stop and they told my saw was so old that they didn’t have replacement parts. They sent me all complete new components to upgrade the saw even including a new spindle at no charge. Best customer service I have ever dealt with. I have triggered the safety feature three times but not because I touched the spinning blade. Once due to a power surge when, once because I tried to cut wet wood without using the bypass switch and once because I touched a metal tab on a taper attachment. The last was certainly my fault but saw stop replaced the cartridge and even sent me a new blade for free.
I had a Unisaw, great saw, and hurt myself. There was a new saw out called a SawStop. I bought one. They had the Industrial model out first at a slight discount. It looks like that is the one you have. The Professional model is the next grade down. I had a few issues and called the company. Nicest people I have ever dealt with. It turns out my saw is serial number one. It may not be the very first one because they didn’t number them right away.my job moved me and I didn’t have a shop for several years. When I got a new place with a shop the saw wouldn’t work. Called SawStop. My saw was so old they had made changes and didn’t have parts for my saw. SawStop sent me all new parts including a new arbor and more. I don’t remember what all now. Even a new ID plate. All at no charge! You didn’t mention the clear plastic blade guard. It works so much better than the one on the Unisaw did that I actually use it. It also helps with dust collection. No, you can’t see the blade cutting very well but does that really matter? I still have my fingers. The carpenter shop where I worked (I was in Engineering) asked me my opinion when they bought a new saw. A very skeptical bunch... they have one there now. Management wouldn’t even consider anything else because of the safety and the quality of the saw. Mine is a three horsepower like yours. SawStop said I could easily up grade to five horse. But I am happy with three horsepower. They do make a 7-1/2 hp. version.
had made improvements
I have had only positive experiences with SawStop whenever dealing with them. I’m glad it’s just business as usual for them.
Just purchased the 3hp Pro last month, it's not perfect but it's *so* much better than my last saw. That's before factoring in the added safety feature.
Thank you for the thorough walk thru of the saw stop and your experiences with the unit. As a new hobbyist I went ahead and ordered the professional saw with 1.75 hp , 52" T-Glide, mobile base dust collection and a couple of the cartridges . I look forward to more content from your channel
Great Review Rob. I have a newer Unisaw (Norm would be pleased) and like the accuracy, however, one of my fingers is 1/2" shorter because I did not have the Sawstop. And yes the cost of sewing up your finger is way more expensive than the Sawstop, not to mention the loss of sensation/feeling/pain of my finger tip in the winter months.
Ray in Omaha
ray carpenter
Ouch! Always use push sticks! Please!
Thanks for the overview, I will buy one for myself.
Hi Rob, right on, had my Professional Sawstop for 5 years now bought it originally because I had a accident 20 years ago cutting my left forefinger tip off which left me skiddish working around table saws. This saw got me past that fear and its quality is also quite impressive. I do a lot of intricate cuts on the saw for segmented woodturning projects and cutting boards, the safety confidence and quality this saw offers has taken my skills to amazing levels. Now if it could only do dovetails nearly as good as you....
I just bought this exact saw on craiglist for $2000. It has become my most prized tool. Thanks for the tour, it helped me understand my saw a little better. The only complaint I have about mine is the screws for the legs have pulled out of the MDF extension wing. Mine is on a mobile base and gets moved out of the way for the cars in the garage. The smallest bump of the leg against anything rips the screws out.
I would agree with the table saw being the number one tool in any woodworking shop.
Never really considered a different saw. I bought a new Craftsman in 80-81 and the Navy sent me to California from Norfolk. I ended up shipping it to my Father in Law. And I found it's twin 6 years ago, broken, rusty and all sorts of problems. Aligned, clean, all 4 bearings and belt. After painting it's like new. Just received the Incra fence and now I want to put a Saw Stop under the fence.
I couldn't agree more, nice review! I upgraded from a Craftman Contractor TS with a Byersmeyer Knock-Off Fence, which worked perfectly, but didn't have the safety features I wanted. I got lucky and found a used SS Contractor Model which was hardly used for $1700.00, minus the $700.00 I got from the sale of my Craftman, equal a net cost of $1000.00, great deal. I upgraded to the 52 Inch Professional Fence. Now I can enjoy all the safety features the SS offers!!
As a physician, I have had to treat/repair a number of table saw injuries, the most recent about two weeks ago. SawStop would have prevented most of them. I have observed that most of the injuries occur to experienced users who aren't as vigilant as the noobies, and who try to cut too small of a piece without a push stick or are in a hurry to grab a piece from behind the blade and have their hand pulled into the blade. To all of you "high time pilots" BE CAREFUL!.
Rob, one question, how is the runout on the SawStop compared to UniSaw?
Dean Kirby Doc, I'm one of those "old pilots" and unfortunately last year got complacent and rushed for one second while cutting a small piece (without my 99% of the time used gripper). Mangled parts of two fingers on the 3/4 dado. As you said, the wood flipped and pulled my fingers into the blade. I'm retired military and my budget couldn't then and still cant afford a saw stop. Luckily the operation and follow ups were taken care of by the VA. I really have always been careful, but admit complacency for one step. What surprised me was how the wood "flipped and pulled" my hand into the blade. Just thought I would give confirmation to what you have seen and dealt with so many times from us, as we call ourselves so "experienced" woodworkers!
Another physician here. Completely agree with your comments. I had a small portable saw I was using and sold it a couple years ago after seeing 3 guys in as many weeks with their hands mangled in some form from a table saw. Hands down (no pun intended) Saw Stop is the safest saw out there. And not only is it safer, it's a joy to use as well.
others may take issue with the politics, but Most of what I've seen is Gabs protecting his investment and advocating for safety.
There are old pilots and bold pilots but few old and bold. The complacency bit caught my interest, as i'm still quite respectful of the naked power of a table saw blade.
Wish Rockler would give you a commission for the saw you just convinced me to buy... was wavering between powermatic and sawstop past few weeks... Great quick run down and took your advice on reading owners manual. thanks!
Rob, your instructional tutorials and product reviews are amazing and second to none. I learn so much from you with each and every video. Your uploads are appointment viewing and a must watch.. I look forward to seeing all your future videos. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and expertise in woodworking!
Rob, Thanks For showing us around the Saw Stop. Truly thanks. and being someone who has a 31,000 dollar index finger on my left hand, from a kick back while reaching for the push stick with my right... Me of All people, should Run out and Buy one. in my shop I have both a PM 66 left tilt and an Old Rockwell 14 inch right tilt, pre unisaw version .. The Main reason why no Saw Stop?. Their legal Fight with Bosch ReAx. Personally I like the Bosch Technology way better. Thank God they still have it available off shore, But again, Truly thanks. and that's coming from someone who loves PM, Delta, MiniMax, Felder, Laguna, Etc... Happy Spring My Friend Cheers
TheBoneman42 hey thanks ,,, I like ReAxx because it doesn't wreck the blade's teeth like sawstop does. and yes a $120.00 dollar Amana is cheaper then fingers. but on too many job sites, somebody always wants to either cut something quick or just is plain Ol curious. but in my shop? nope, I'm stickin with the Old ass Rockwell/Delta, PowerMatic an MiniMax/SCMI... We're a 50% of the time Production shop an ya gotta have industrial stuff for that... One thing is For Sure, Mr. Worker's Comp is Definitely with the saw stop idea... Again Thanks Joe
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@@joedaq6678 I have had accidental firings of my SawStop (miter gauge drifted into contact; unexpected electrical conductivity of plastic half-silvered mirror). In each instance, I had the Freud blade checked for run-out and tooth replacement. Cost me about USD25 and the blade works fine.
The Riving knife will not hold timber down but it holds the timber apart. preventing the timber from closing on the blade at the rear and thus preventing kick black.
Thank you for the great video. No pomp and circumstance just an experienced wood worker sharing his experience. Great stuff!
you are welcome Rick.
Thanks Rob , after over 20 years as a professional woodworker now retired but a luck would have it i suffered a Traumatic Brain Injury thats caused mr to loose the use of my left arm and hand although ive made remarkable Progress emotionally and cognitively i did wind up having to retire early. And unfortunately having to foreclose on my home and change my lifestyle drastically. M presently between homes but i do hope to eventually. Have another one that i can set up some type of a shop again i was pretty sure that the Saw Stop would be my next Cabinet Table Saw for obviously. Safety reasons but after. Hearing. You. Speak o how happy and impressed you are with them its now not even a question of course i used my fair share of Uni saws and plenty of others including a wonderful Altendorf sliding Table Saw that was over 20K brand new at the time of purchase sometime in the early 1990s a really cool other feature on that one was the scoring blade In addition to the sliding. Table and the saws overall power. And smooth operation luckily i do still have the ability to use that saw if i so desire to
If only Sawstop made a Euro slider. My Minimax slider does everything in my shop except make me coffee, and sometimes I wonder if I could make a jig that did that. I could function with a conventional table saw, but not nearly as well.
Close! Looks like a great addition to a standard saw
Some good news. Felder now has its own saw safety technology, fitted to a top level sliding saw. And get this, it is non-contact and non destructive to the blade!
Thanks Rob, that was a great review of the saw. Far more realistic and honest than many I have seen before. I appreciate the straight-on advice! David
I'm putting a new motor on my 1053 Rockwell band saw, and i'm making my own pulleys just so i can use the poly-groove (serpentine) belt. They are quite simply the superior design. So it's nice to see.
The switch on the drive door doesn't usually go bad. It does get dust in the latch and will not seat completely. If the latch doesn't seat completely the switch will not activate.
When he said "if you don't know what a kick-back is...let me show you" I started looking at that back wall thinking "uh-oh, he's about to fire a board right through one of those cabinet doors! Hell yeah!" Then I remembered that this is Rob Cosman and NOT my buddy Dave.
Thanks for the video.. Had the saw a good year and am very pleased. Ha ha ha but I wondered why it accumelated so much dust in the bottom of the saw. I have not thought of the swing in and out shroud yeeeezzz it has just always been out off the way....... So now it is more or less dust less in the bottom and also in the shop.
Thanks for the tip :)
The kids in the shop was also my main reason for the purchase.
TR
I know I am late to the party but... I just had bad kickback which caused me to slip off the wood and touch the blade with my pinky finger. Yup decommission hand but I should get my hand working again at some point. Just bought my Sawstop today should arrive by June 20th. Thinking about leaving my old bloody table saw around my shop as a reminder. Maybe just take the top off and hang it up on the wall. Before you ask, been woodworking for about 30 years (as a hobby) with no injuries other than a few banged shins and a smashed toe :D
I just don't want to have another accident like that again! Sawstop for the win!
Great review Rob, I didn't think you'd have Wadkin in Canada. I used to install Biesamier fences back in the 70s. I've always thought they were the best. Then you mentioned your dad had a Shopsmith. My boss at the time Neil was the agent for the UK. Are main clients for those was people the age I am now, setting up a work shop at home. I find myself doing the same. Your attention to detail is admirable. I sometimes wish I'd stayed in the industry. I used to like going to the exhibitions ect.
The Shopsmith!
I have my late father-in-law's 1950s Shopsmith that I'm in the process of restoring.
Absolutely won't be using it as a table saw. Especially not with the table tilted!!
This generally a good overview however you have the Industrial version a step up from the professional version. The professional version does not have an electrical lock out, and the hand wheel is on the other side on the pro. The professional version is about 200 lbs lighter and has a slightly smaller table. I have been waiting 14 years to get mine. Should arrive in July.
Great video, Rob! I am a shop teacher in Saint John, so I was pleasantly surprised to realize that you're only a few minutes up the road from me. I just bought a new SawStop for our shop, and I'm really excited to start using it. I began searching for videos on the saw, and stumbled across yours. I'll definitely be checking out your other videos, as well as your website. Thanks a lot!
One of the worst mistakes I ever made was procrastinating buying a Sawstop saw. I had the brochure and had selected the contractor saw with cast iron tables, upgraded fence and rails. Then I got busy with a cabinet project and kind of forgot about it. While cutting shoulders on some tenons (using a heavy, reliable jig) something happened. Never knew what happened, but the result was that the workpiece was flying through the air and my thumb was in the blade cut off right through that last knuckle. Thankfully they were able to reattach it, but the knuckle was gone (they actually suggested leaving it off, it would heal more quickly and be less painful, but I play guitar and mandolin, so...). I had to adjust my playing style since my thumb is now basically a stick.
Even without the safety features this is one of the best saws I've ever used, and I've been doing woodwork for 50 years.
I love the Saw stop. I think anyone who has one feels safer. However i think the people that are more likely to be hurt are those that can't afford them, especial people just starting out. and as usual love your videos.
Hello Rob I enjoyed the video and subscribed to your channel you also helped enlighten me to terminology as I'm looking for a part for my Shop Fox and it was a broken fence magnifier take care
Ps- safety is #1 kudos
I wandered into this video and am impressed with the way you have done it . Easy for me to understand &straightforward . I appreciate your comparison to the Unisaw . I wasn't going to spend the money for a Saw Stop but considering the quality, I'll sure reconsider my decision ..
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Most incitful and informative. Not sure I can obtain one here in Blighty, but you have helped me decide what Table Saw I want now. Many thanks.
Thanks for the review. Looking forward to having this saw as the center piece of my new shop.
Good review. I currently have a Powermatic 2000 series that I purchased in 08. After helping a friend assemble and setup a Saw Stop, I wish I purchased it. I've had no issues with the Powermatic, though I just like the Saw Stop's safety features.
Hey Rob, I love mine! I ended up getting the 3HP 52” PCS. It’s an awesome saw
What an incredible detailed review. With both positive and negative aspects experienced. 5 stars for this effort. Thank you.
Great video, Rob.
Excellent review/machine tour Rob,
After watching this, RUclips took me to Jonathan Katz Moses “How Safe is a SAWSTOP SAW?”.
It shows high speed footage of how the safety system operates, and he demonstrates the operation using frankfurters!
If you haven’t seen it, it’s definitely worth watching, it’s awesome - It makes you wonder why you wouldn’t have one.
Just had to come back and mention it.
As ever great vid thanks.
Excellent comprehensive review from a class act.
Rob, great review from a straight talking pro! Thanks!
I have the exact same saw and it's the Industrial version not the Professional. Great saw.
I could not agree more. I bought a SawStop PCS for my home shop about 5 years ago and it has been a rock solid performer. A friend who sells machinery told me the SawStop is out-selling the other brands they carry (Powermatic, Jet, and General International) about 10-to-1.
Thanks. I upgraded from a Jet. Couldn't be happier.
Thank you for that walk through, vary informative
Thanks Rob. I wonder what you think about European sliding table saws, and how they compare? They seem to be packed with great features . I am referring to Felder/Hammer machines
Rob Cosman If its the Tablesaw mode you dislike, I agree! However, I'd like to hear your opinion of the other modes, lathe, drill press, bandsaw and jointer (if you had those accessories)?
David, I had exactly the same question for Rob. I'm infatuated with the Felder 500 or 700 series combo sliders, but their cost is some dreadfully serious bucks. Either would make the price of the Sawstop look like the "cheap and cheerful" alternative.
Thanks for sharing. You have a very clean shop considering most of your woodworking machines are dust makers. Wish you the best and hope you never trip the break.
I agree on the switch. I bump mine all the time with my thigh. Be nicer if it was mounted farther to the left.
I am leaning more towards a powermatic over the sawstop because I use the micro jig push tool and feel safe when using it. Maybe I'm missing something? If you guys could give your thoughts on that it would be appreciated.
Instead of the SawStop fence, I use an Incra with its LS (lead screw) technology. It is far superior to even the magnifier-enhanced readout of the Biesmeier or SawStop fence. The Incra clicking adjustment permits 0.001" precision in moving the fence laterally. (Well, actually... there are 32 clicks per rev, and the screw has 32 threads per inch, so it's about 0.00097", but for small adjustments you can use one click per thousandth of an inch on your dial caliper.) The Incra is rock solid and fits well and easily onto the SawStop. This is a serious upgrade to the SawStop.
I’m looking to get a new SawStop too. Looking at the 1 1/2 HP 52”
It's a 1.75hp motor. Highly recommend the 3hp model. Pay the price once, enjoy for life
Thank you! That was very helpful! I like that it was straight to the point seems to
to have covered much info in detail!
thanks for watching and commenting
Impressive saw and a balanced review.
Good to see a riving knife (splitter) in use; so many RUclipsrs don't use one, let alone a top guard. Your riving knife seems very thin but the quick change feature would make it easy to swap out.
Best review I've ever seen for this saw thanks for sharing.
It's a good saw, no doubt here and I believe that specially someone like you with students, you need ANY EXTRA care in that case because there is no amount of money to replace/fix a lost finger, not to mention the pain and suffering...and lots of "splaning"...
One question: Since the sawstop is meant to be used with 10" blades, how this will stop a DADO 8" blade in case of emergency?
As always your videos are instructive and pleasure to watch, thanks.
ronin4711 it has a separate cartridge for dado easy to change
Down in the comments someone says this is the Industrial model. PLEASE add the model this is to the paragraph at the top. So much of what applies to the Industrial (or whatever this is) will not necessarily apply to other models, and it would be good for viewers to be clear on what they are seeing vs what they are thinking of buying.
Otherwise, great stuff. Thanks!
Professional Model, mentioned around 18 minute mark.
Just before that the side extension is referred to as an out feed extension. Outfeed would be behind the blade, not off to the side.
Wow nice saw Rob.I didn't know you were from New Brunswick . I originally grew up in New England.I have been through that part of Canada a few Times.
Laughed so hard! "When you're not necessarily working fast, but you're Just Trying to get something done. If they only knew! david
Thanks for the great video, Rob.
I've seen several videos about their saws and I've no doubt they're very well made (It's really too bad that it's seemingly impossible for any company to make a TS in the US, though). But, my big problem with SawStop is that they've tried very hard to legislate the mandatory use of their own technology. Since they're going to protect their patent so vigorously (see: Bosch lawsuit), that would effectively mean their saws would be the only ones you could buy. IMO, this is pure greed, and the reason they'll never see my money.
Awesome review. I've been considering upgrading to a Sawstop for the safety factor. Thanks for your thoughts!
Outstanding overview Rob. You can't get the sawstop in the UK; if someone imported them I'm sure they'd go like hot cakes.
why we have propper saws in the eu
Great Video Rob! thanks
I can add one more positive to your list. They engineer and well organize how they package the saw. The nuts and bolts are all blister packed with numbers that correspond with the installation instructions that are well worded. While stupid is that stupid does, the installation procedure makes it as stupid-proof as it can get.
The reason that I bought a Delta Uni Saw is because it is the Finest Table Saw MADE. That was 47 years ago and as a Professional Cabinetmaker I DEMAND THE BEST. Still have all my fingers.
FYI...Rob, that blade is not recommended for your PCS.
You know what I don't understand? My 1992 Grizzly 10" cast iron contractor saw turns 4,700 rpms at the arbor from the factory. The blade is absolutely screaming, and sounds like a jet turbine. I geared it down to 4,300 rpms by reducing the motor pulley to a 2.75" instead of a 3.25". Doing some cuts at 4,300 rpms seems really nice and effortless. But I noticed all new saws are 3,450 rpms (1:1 ratio of blade pulley to motor pulley ratio). Is there a reason my saw came with such a dramatically high speed blade back in 1992?
Rob can you tell me where the black door you open up at minute 6:55 came from? i believe its 3D printed maybe?
Sawstop can easily remove the flex in the throat plate by adding stiffeners to the underside without having to connect the two halves.
Wouldn't it be possible to DIY a small aluminium piece to stiffen it up?
I used the SawStop throat plate as pattern for a thick oak replacement, then routed out the necessary clearances underneath. Works like a champ, very stiff! As is common practice for starting up to use a home-built zero-clearance insert for a dado, be sure to put the fence over the edge of the inserted throat place, or otherwise restrain it, when slowly raising the dado into the insert.
My father ran his middle finger up the blade of a running table saw. It was gruesome. To this day I am very nervous working with any table saw. If I ever get my own shop I hope to get a Sawstop.
On a lighter note, what drew me to your video was the Sawstop header and the image of your spattered shop apron. Looks a little scary.
Hi Rob.
I like your videos and your work.
I have a question..Why don't you use format/panel saw like we Europeans do instead of traditional table saw?
format saw it's just much much better.
Thanks
Keep up the good work.
been thinking the same thing. we have and old martin t72 best formatsaw ever made! by milles!
mikkel thomsen Right?
I watch woodworking alot on youtube and 99%of them use plain table saw.And they make jigs and outfeed tables and crosscut sleds..And than i think about me doing crosscut on my SCM LIVINCIBILE saw where is so effortless. I can cut crosscut up to 3,60 meters without any problem on stock saw. don't get me wrong i apriciate good craftsmanship when i see one. And some do really good job but it looks like they enjoy slow awkward job on table saw when on format saw...Man everything its just far superior.
Martin brand is like Rolls-Royce among woodworking machinery.
Good luck!
Slovenian Woodworker also own a Martin 2 metre sliding table build quality is insane and you are right with why they don't use the panel saw
der Dünne I'm glad that we agree:-)
Is just easier , better, faster.
Good luck mate.
Slovenian Woodworker thanks man here in Europe also three phase power is way better every single phase motors
Rob, I have noticed the Sawstop also carries a 1 3/4 hp model for a lot less money. Can you recommend this?
Rob, I am concerned about you relying on the Saw Stop cartridge. You said you've had this Saw Stop for 10 to 12 years. Maybe new insights have occurred since you got your Saw. Please, for your sake, contact Saw Stop and ask for yourself which blades don't work with the Saw Stop cartridge. I don't want you getting hurt! If there are blades that should not be used, maybe you could do a video! I'll keep watching your videos. Be safe! I love how you fill us with details!
Just found your channel. Is that a DOUBLE SIDED 20" sander behind you??? I've never seen one like that - what is it??
A little history:
Saw Stop originated with 2 guys that developed the safety unit for Unisaws. They retrofitted the safety device onto the customer's saw then mailed the saw back. That's why the Saw Stop resembles the Uni so much. Problem was, people complained that when the safety device was triggered, the saw had to be sent back to Saw Stop to have the device replaced and more importantly, the saw needed to be completely readjusted from the impact of this thing setting off. People's main complaint was the downtime of the saw and many people would prefer Not having it at all.
Saw Stop's mistake was to use common sense. Saying, if the device goes off, it just saved a huge injury that would have had the operator down for months. That logic never really caught on. So Saw Stop closed up and reevaluated their production. Now the "modified" Unisaw, aka Saw Stop is built beefier than a uni to handle that impact of the safety device. And the safety modules are available to the consumer and can be replaced in minutes.
When they came out with their own cabinet saw, Saw Stop also mentioned about a handheld circular saw like the worm drive Skilsaw to have the same concept of safety that the Saw Stop has. But that was over a decade ago. I would have Definately bought a bunch of those for my workers. Maybe it would have brought down liability premiums for general contractors as well.
If I'm not mistaken, you have the Industrial model.
That comes with either the 3 or 5 HP motor.
The Professional, 1.75 or 3 HP.
I'm wrong. You DO have a Professional.
steve
I have the industrial with a 3 hp. Plenty of power, after 15 years I have never needed more.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking, You DO have the Industrial, but
if you look at about 6 minutes 18 seconds in, see
what the label says. That is what threw me.
steve
Cheers Rob, always gives it as it is... 👍🏼😊
Nice overview. I try to use my table saw as little as possible. I have a nice band saw(Rikon 10-325) and sliding miter(Hitachi C12RSH2) to handle as many cuts as possible. When I need large panel cuts I try to get the HD to rough cut them on their panel saw and then I just tune it up on my saw. My bandsaw is my go-to for most cuts now. It is very accurate and I can control all of my cuts with kick-back risk. Looking at a premium track saw set-up as a possible alternative for large rips. I also wonder that with the cost of these saws going up and the cost of CNC's coming down whether my next big investment will be a 4x8 CNC table? Seen a few demos and wow.
You convinced me.
I got that saw, and it saved my finger already! Last week, my video showing the bloody nick on my finger: that video got 2.5 million views in 2 weeks! I was blown away. The video that shows the actual injury and trigger has only done 25k views or so. Go figure. Anyway, I know how to get that blade cartridge free.
Why would you ever not want to use the splitter? I’m a newbie so I really don’t know.
Thanks for the review ,Rob !
this was a very good straight up review.
Rob, great review, simple and to the point. Thanks for sharing.
I own the same saw and enjoy using it. In addition to the safety feature of the retracting blade, the Saw Stop is just an outstanding table saw that incorporates the best features of the best table saws out there. I would buy it even without the retractable blade.
agree Bill.
I noticed the length of the arbor spindle . do you have packing shims in there because it does not look long enough for a dado stack.?
Interesting to see how the internals have changed, since your table was built. Although yours was probably built in the USA, mine in Asia!
I thought that was a move they made only recently. I guess not!
I know the daughter of the founder of the company that builds the SawStop under contract in Taiwan. Interesting story, when they first took the contract to build the SawStop they thought they could do so in their existing plant, but it turns out that they needed to build a whole new plant to build to the level of quality that SawStop wanted. This company also builds many other name brand saws, in the old plant.
@@TokyoCraftsman, cool piece of lore. Gonna look you up when, as I fear, we may move to Chiba.
I agree, it's the best table saw on the market. With respect to over-riding, I had an unexpected firing of the cartridge when sawing plastic. It was a see-through mirror, and the conductivity of the material was juuuuust enough to masquerade as flesh, so far as the saw could determine. Reasonably enough, SawStop won't tell you exactly what their process is (though I suppose you could look up a lot of the details at the Patent Office). But it's electrical conductivity at the base of the method. An ordinary mirror is a mirror because it conducts electricity in order to reflect light, and we don't need to get further into the relevant physics. A half-silvered mirror just has a bit of conductivity, enough to have triggered the cartridge. Lesson learned. In fact you can do a test on wet wood to see if the cartridge would fire, by pressing the wood into the stationary blade and looking at the indicator lights and selecting the over-ride accordingly, though I think this would have been problematic with the mirror.
Who counts the host fingers in these table saw videos?