loool today i won a match with obliterator and because my opponent didn't read it, he cast a red spell to do 5 damage to the obliterator, he could just sacrifice lands and I'm pretty sure he could win anyway but for some reason(clearly he didn't read) he sacrificed all his criatures and i ended winning because of that xD
Genuinely, it might be because said opponent thought the triggers would only start AFTER both attacks went through, which would mean that Saffron would have had to block with both to not die. It still would have been difficult to win even with that assumption, but it would have meant there could have been a chance for him to get back into the game if Saffron wasn't able to find enough to create a fast clock.
I have played against a mythic orange Wizards employee. In the loading screen they write "Make sure to say hi!", so I emoted "hello". They didn't respond and went on to beat me brutally. In my 15 years of Magic, it was the only moment of Wizards being honest to me.
I played against some person with an orange name (didn't know at the time they were wizard employees) around 2ish years ago. They dropped a gruul dual land, passed, I play a land. Then they just conceded. No clue wtf happened
If you look at most channels they will cycle the thumbnail to three or four different ones and look at the metrics to see what's getting the most hits and then leave that thumbnail up.
Seth was surprised that virtuoso doesn't see more play. Then he remembered that he sided in 7 additional removal spells like most midrange decks in standard.
Seth's Dog panting while he's explaining the deck is funny as hell! love the deck! always enjoyed seeing peoples reactions to this card when i ran it in modern black devotion.
I play an Abzan Meme deck in Timeless I call “Domestic Dispute”. It’s Obliterators and Vindicators with a bunch of fight spells, etc. You would not believe how many people will swing into me then scoop once the trigger hits and they realize what they did 🤣
HEY! That’s me in the last one, Dragon16 So mad I got mana screwed, iirc I muliganned a 1 land hand into a 0 land hand… my deck had a lot of crazy I’m sad I didn’t get to show off. Was a sucky loss, but GG’s, hope to encounter you on ladder again in the future
@@connormohs6046 partially that, she can also find Kogla and Yidaro as well also just another ETB legend for AJU and Elesh Norn, and helps me find me lands, she’s just a single copy in my deck Opponent has to deal with it before I transform it, funny most people expect you to just transform her ASAP and hold up mana to remove her, but If I can I’ll just drop her and then sit with her on field until I have a possible opportunity to transform her
All the cards in the world will never replace knowledge of the rules and mechanics! My friend and I once had a board state where he had an Abyssal Persecutor, me down to -4 life, but no way to sac it. I was playing mono green with a splash of the 3 legendary Eldrazi. I attack him with lethal trample damage, but no Eldrazi, because annihilator would work against me. He of course blocked with Abyssal Persecutor in such a way that it would die, and then we had to dig into the rules to figure out who wins. We concluded, and were eventually proven right when we asked a judge about it, that I won, because Abyssal Persecutor, and it's ability, remain on the board until the cleanup step, meaning that my friend lost before his Abyssal Persecutor could die and result in my loss!
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Loving smugglers surprise with Vaultborn Tyrant. I made a “Dino Surprise” deck with it and instead of Obliterator and Ghalta I use Etali, Tyrranax Rex, Trumpeting Carnosaur and Kogla and Yidaro
Ran into this deck on the ladder and I had no clue what they are actually trying to do with obliterators. I was playing unblockable Menace creatures with a Rope equipped - the deck, so obliterators didn't have the option to block. Never occurred to me that they could flash them in and block xD That's way cooler of a gameplan than what I experienced, because my jank was jankier. Though I was confused why they didn't attack, they had the opportunity to deal at least 10 damage that game but didn't swing in - ended up winning with 22 life so it didn't matter but it seemed free at the time.
@@DerplingKing Just BG, Fleshgorger and a small Fight Rigging package. Swamp Cyclers to collect evidence on coverup and Virtue of Persistence for early removal and end game inevitability. Had a few times where you draw too many rope and not enough bodies, but you can just crack them as clues. Only really had issue with the exile board wipe control lists and if a faster aggro list got under it on the play. Rope giving reach is sweet with massive flyers and little bats and phoenixes all over the place.
If they attack, you have even more freedom to attack with whatever else you want. So they likely figured that they'd have more time to find answers if they left it back on defense.
Thought I had tinnitus, but it was in fact the video. Quite annoying sadly It's weaker on the left channel, take off that earbud or headphone and it's easier on the ears
He's done videos with that before, back when it was first released in the Historic Anthology. I still think Mogis' Favor and Back for More are incredible in an Obliterator deck.
24:15 - I suspect the opponent thought the Indestructible on their creature would protect it from the Obliterator's effect, not realizing the slight difference between sacrifice and destroy.
This is a sorcery, but I like "Lively Dirge" for the obliterator. Its spree abilities are +1 search your library for a card and put it in your graveyard and +2 return up to 2 creatures with total mana 4 or less from graveyard into battlefield. 4 obliterators, 4 dirges, fight spells. Its neat
I did once play against a “mythic orange” employee, their display name also indicated they were a test user. I never felt more that I had to win a random best-of-one
I wonder if the deck would work a little more consistently with more ramp and less crime. Hostile Investigator doesn't really advance the plan much, and the singleton Stomper whiffing so easily on only 2 basics probably doesn't help either. I would be interested to see a version with the 2-mana ramp spell, a couple more basics, and the set of Stompers. The first competitive deck I ever tried to build was Tooth & Nail when it was in Standard, so this was a fun deck to watch!
I mean if you're running obliterator in golgari, there are fight spells that will force them to sac. That's how I play it at least. Green ramps and fights while black is obliterator and tutors and kill spells. Also Leyline Prowler! ramps you while defending you fairly competently.
I always have 4 Obliterator in my black decks. Black/Green forcing your opponents creatures to fight your Obliterator and then your opponent sacrifices everything and you bring your Obliterator back to life and repeat if the game goes for another round which is rare.
This sort of stuff is why Tamiyo: Collector of Tales is among my favorite planeswalkers. Ha! lol I had not seen smugglers surprise until this video, got my arena daily done and opened a pack with smugglers surprise. Noice.
did something very similar with fight spells. Way easier to pull off. We have instant speed 1 mana fights in the format, you can do it turn 4 with the right hand. It doesnt need to be during combat. The spell itself is usually killing a creature, making the number of creatures they need to sac even more brutal. I get you want your surprise, but honestly there are easier ways of achieving the same goal
51:00 Actually, population size would be 49 because you had already drawn 11 cards, successes is only 20 because you had already drawn or fetched 5 lands. This would make the chance of failure 6.3% rather than 5.9%. Not a big difference but still something to keep in mind, especially in longer games.
I played Staff once. They were playing some kind of janky game eldraine tap deck, and i went infinite on turn 4. So I could say that I have 100% winrate against WOTC.
23:55 if I was to take a guess I would think your opponent may not have realized there’s a phase between first strike and the rest of damage. They may have thought all damage gets calculated then any effects happen. I’m curious if others over look this. This seems like the kind of ruling you’d mess up once and never would forget it.
There is a card unlike any other that counters this… It causes one of your opponents creatures to deal damage to another of an opponent’s creatures… I once made someone that played Obliterator sac their entire board, off their own Obliterator!
I think there's a high-pitched hum in the background of this video. It's missing from the pre-recorded Card Kingsom sponsor segment, and present the rest of the time.
I've seen the dream flawless... but from the wrong side. Opposite my friend's Obliterator deck that uses fight spells instead of trying to flash into combat.
Speaking of Hostile Investigator looking like an uncommon, as someone who doesn't play much I hate how every creature that is playable is rare or mythic unless you decide to play like monored. You just accept that a percentage of your games will be loses because your mana base isn't 80% rares and your creatures are suboptimal. A bit tilting that
You got hurt by that single forest in almost every match. :( You don't even need it in the deck. If you're fetching with Stomper, you already have 2 green.
I mean, the calculation gets noticeable error bars at that point, because you've drawn 7 cards (or 10, or more by the time you play and trigger it), but how many of those are lands are not something you can just know definitively for the calculation. Like, it'd be more... Realistic? I guess, to say that there'll 50 cards or something in the deck and no more than 22 lands or something, but then your calculation has to like, have the +/- for if you've drawn 5 lands, or if you're at exactly 3, etc. by that point and it becomes impractical to do it for a generalized case. While you can get the exact odds for any specific case, it gets really... Wibbly when you start trying to acknowledge the changeable game state.
'Obliterator Surprise'
Opponent: Surprise! I can't read!
loool today i won a match with obliterator and because my opponent didn't read it, he cast a red spell to do 5 damage to the obliterator, he could just sacrifice lands and I'm pretty sure he could win anyway but for some reason(clearly he didn't read) he sacrificed all his criatures and i ended winning because of that xD
Genuinely, it might be because said opponent thought the triggers would only start AFTER both attacks went through, which would mean that Saffron would have had to block with both to not die. It still would have been difficult to win even with that assumption, but it would have meant there could have been a chance for him to get back into the game if Saffron wasn't able to find enough to create a fast clock.
I have played against a mythic orange Wizards employee. In the loading screen they write "Make sure to say hi!", so I emoted "hello". They didn't respond and went on to beat me brutally. In my 15 years of Magic, it was the only moment of Wizards being honest to me.
It would have been realistic if you'd been in a paid event.
@@crapparc It was Premiere Draft, so kinda paid.
@@SonnigesDeutschland Real magic then. :(
😂❤🎉
I played against some person with an orange name (didn't know at the time they were wizard employees) around 2ish years ago. They dropped a gruul dual land, passed, I play a land. Then they just conceded. No clue wtf happened
First time I've been able to see the video before the official thumbnail
If you look at most channels they will cycle the thumbnail to three or four different ones and look at the metrics to see what's getting the most hits and then leave that thumbnail up.
Same its a treat
Testicle
Phyrexian Obliterator in the thumbnail is more than enough to get over 100k views lol they never ended up using a different thumbnail
6:21 Necro-*what now Seth*
Seth… you’re not a Graveyard Trespasser, are you?
Seth down-bad for the undead, apparently
I thought he was saying necrophecy which would be an awesome name for a card
What can I say? No one can resist some juicy and oily Phyrexussy.
It’s like listening to Homer Simpson try to say trampoline.
“2024 Magic is just ‘how can I snowball?’”
- asks Seth, as he’s making more snowballs for his pile of snowball brews
“It’s just silly fun”, said the saffronolive unconvincingly. As he packed his snow around sharp rocks continuing his creation of snowballs.
42:37
Seth asks the Magic Gods for Removal.
They grant his wish.
He didn’t think through his wish very thoroughly.
Seth concedes.
The monkeys paw curls its finger.
This series is always such a fun reminder that Magic can be about more than just wins and losses.
Seth was surprised that virtuoso doesn't see more play. Then he remembered that he sided in 7 additional removal spells like most midrange decks in standard.
Ah yes, a way to get around the "downside" of your opponent not attacking into or blocking your 5/5
I know it seems crazy, but a 4 mana 5/5 with unblockable is actually not that good in modern magic.
@@dutt6222especially one that requires 4 pips, which was an issue a few times in this video
Yeah in my experience obliterator might as well have defender unless it's opponent is so ahead on board that it's effective a win more card.
Vigilence has entered the chat.
Not sure what would be the best card to give it in 60 card formats but its funny in edh.
Fight spells force opponents dmg the obliterater
Ez counter
Lookout is the sneaky MVP. That crime ramp is so nuts.
Wait, he isn't dead, Smuggler's Surprise! Obliterator in hand, and death in his eyes!
Actual Cannibal Saffron Olive!
First comment to make me laugh in years
“Necropussy” - Seth
30:50 shoulda been a sports announcer Seth 😂
Gooooooal.
Actually, smuggler's surprise lets you hexproof and inderstructible your creatures, so if you have enough mana you don't care about removal
The opponent who sac'd their own board is the true definition of "reading the card explains the card"
They One With Nothing’d their board 😂
"If our opponent was alive"
Seth, he just disconnected. He didn't have a heart attack 😂
Maybe. You never know.
I love you Seth, it is NECROPSY, there's NEH-CROP-SEE
Necropssy
And for the record, Seth did play against WotC staff during the MH3 streamer event today.
Seth's Dog panting while he's explaining the deck is funny as hell! love the deck! always enjoyed seeing peoples reactions to this card when i ran it in modern black devotion.
Bear is such a good boy!
He's the loudest panter, that's actually how I find him when he wanders off into the woods - just listen for the panting.
Pronouncing Necropsy (like... Necro Autopsy) like "Necropussy" sure is a choice. And I'm here for it.
And he says it over, and over, and over lol
I play an Abzan Meme deck in Timeless I call “Domestic Dispute”. It’s Obliterators and Vindicators with a bunch of fight spells, etc. You would not believe how many people will swing into me then scoop once the trigger hits and they realize what they did 🤣
Ahhahahah love the fight spells
30:54 bro is sounding like a Mexican commentator for Futbal 😭
HEY! That’s me in the last one, Dragon16
So mad I got mana screwed, iirc I muliganned a 1 land hand into a 0 land hand… my deck had a lot of crazy I’m sad I didn’t get to show off.
Was a sucky loss, but GG’s, hope to encounter you on ladder again in the future
Is the Huatli exclusively for finding Etali? Lol
@@connormohs6046 partially that, she can also find Kogla and Yidaro as well
also just another ETB legend for AJU and Elesh Norn, and helps me find me lands, she’s just a single copy in my deck
Opponent has to deal with it before I transform it, funny most people expect you to just transform her ASAP and hold up mana to remove her, but If I can I’ll just drop her and then sit with her on field until I have a possible opportunity to transform her
so like. what IS your deck ? i'm super curious haha it looks fun to play
All the cards in the world will never replace knowledge of the rules and mechanics! My friend and I once had a board state where he had an Abyssal Persecutor, me down to -4 life, but no way to sac it. I was playing mono green with a splash of the 3 legendary Eldrazi. I attack him with lethal trample damage, but no Eldrazi, because annihilator would work against me. He of course blocked with Abyssal Persecutor in such a way that it would die, and then we had to dig into the rules to figure out who wins.
We concluded, and were eventually proven right when we asked a judge about it, that I won, because Abyssal Persecutor, and it's ability, remain on the board until the cleanup step, meaning that my friend lost before his Abyssal Persecutor could die and result in my loss!
16:55 "I don't wanna win the game, I want to smuggler's surprise" -Seth, 2024 🤣
23:26 awesome. opponent probably thought both strikes would hit.
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Loving smugglers surprise with Vaultborn Tyrant. I made a “Dino Surprise” deck with it and instead of Obliterator and Ghalta I use Etali, Tyrranax Rex, Trumpeting Carnosaur and Kogla and Yidaro
Opponent: "Fine. I'll do it myself"
That was the great "scoop" ever. MTGO literally said "okay, Time stop." 😂
Ran into this deck on the ladder and I had no clue what they are actually trying to do with obliterators. I was playing unblockable Menace creatures with a Rope equipped - the deck, so obliterators didn't have the option to block. Never occurred to me that they could flash them in and block xD That's way cooler of a gameplan than what I experienced, because my jank was jankier. Though I was confused why they didn't attack, they had the opportunity to deal at least 10 damage that game but didn't swing in - ended up winning with 22 life so it didn't matter but it seemed free at the time.
What colors were you running? G for Rope and then R for menace and equip support? B for menace and more removal as fundamentals?
@@DerplingKing Just BG, Fleshgorger and a small Fight Rigging package. Swamp Cyclers to collect evidence on coverup and Virtue of Persistence for early removal and end game inevitability.
Had a few times where you draw too many rope and not enough bodies, but you can just crack them as clues. Only really had issue with the exile board wipe control lists and if a faster aggro list got under it on the play. Rope giving reach is sweet with massive flyers and little bats and phoenixes all over the place.
If they attack, you have even more freedom to attack with whatever else you want. So they likely figured that they'd have more time to find answers if they left it back on defense.
Slightly unnerved by the way Seth says Necrop*ssy. Is he the real Graveyard Trespasser?
Is it just me, or is there a high-pitch whine going through the video (absent in the ad read because it's probably an old audio recording)
Thought I had tinnitus, but it was in fact the video. Quite annoying sadly
It's weaker on the left channel, take off that earbud or headphone and it's easier on the ears
Yes! I love Phyrexian Obliterator; its one of my favourite cards ❤
Please consider a high pass filter on the audio. There's a high pitch whine in the video.
*low-pass (or high-cut) filter
Honestly - you don't need anything to make Obliterator better...it is literally perfection.
Another strat is playing the obliterator and doing a little bit of fighting with your opponent creature
He's done videos with that before, back when it was first released in the Historic Anthology. I still think Mogis' Favor and Back for More are incredible in an Obliterator deck.
The thing i notice the most is trying to hold back in anticipation of the opponent. Play what you need and adjust off of that
Perfect timing, I just finished listing a Phyrexian Fight Club EDH deck that's basically exactly this
I would swap out the Hostile Negotiatior for Roaming Throne. Either doubling the Obliterator triggers or the Tyrant would be nuts.
Your dog panting in the deck into is crazy
Thanks for showing the probability calculator. That is a tool I will use in the future when deckbuilding.
W0bee here. I've been waiting for this to come up for a few weeks. Amazing how his monolog was just about what I was thinking in game three.
I love that the idea of "removal check" cards is getting more popular becuase it very nicely reframes "dies to doomblade" arguments
"Yes, it does die to removal, but if it doesn't get removed it wins the game. Seems like a decent gamble."
@@drpibisback7680 EXCATLY
Anyone else hear the extremely high constant pitch during the video?
24:15 - I suspect the opponent thought the Indestructible on their creature would protect it from the Obliterator's effect, not realizing the slight difference between sacrifice and destroy.
This is a sorcery, but I like "Lively Dirge" for the obliterator. Its spree abilities are +1 search your library for a card and put it in your graveyard and +2 return up to 2 creatures with total mana 4 or less from graveyard into battlefield. 4 obliterators, 4 dirges, fight spells. Its neat
What was the plan in the 3rd game vs Jodah? Just play Obliterator or keep up the removal. What was the point of another land? Am I stupid?
I did once play against a “mythic orange” employee, their display name also indicated they were a test user. I never felt more that I had to win a random best-of-one
did you win?
@@LucianDevine yes 🫡
I wonder if the deck would work a little more consistently with more ramp and less crime. Hostile Investigator doesn't really advance the plan much, and the singleton Stomper whiffing so easily on only 2 basics probably doesn't help either. I would be interested to see a version with the 2-mana ramp spell, a couple more basics, and the set of Stompers. The first competitive deck I ever tried to build was Tooth & Nail when it was in Standard, so this was a fun deck to watch!
... Ideally, the smuggler's surprises will make them *hexproof, indestructible* Obliterators
I mean if you're running obliterator in golgari, there are fight spells that will force them to sac. That's how I play it at least. Green ramps and fights while black is obliterator and tutors and kill spells. Also Leyline Prowler! ramps you while defending you fairly competently.
2:48 Sunken City, now they're not going to see this coming
Please can you suggest a Pioneer version of this gate with better alternative for some cards?
Yes, Seth, you play against a WotC before.
It was in one of the streamer Early Access events last year(2023).
23:31 😂 best ever
I always have 4 Obliterator in my black decks.
Black/Green forcing your opponents creatures to fight your Obliterator and then your opponent sacrifices everything and you bring your Obliterator back to life and repeat if the game goes for another round which is rare.
This sort of stuff is why Tamiyo: Collector of Tales is among my favorite planeswalkers.
Ha! lol I had not seen smugglers surprise until this video, got my arena daily done and opened a pack with smugglers surprise. Noice.
I think this deck is a cool meme.
I think the issue is that you don't have enough early game plays. Maybe one for Mosswood Dreadknight?
did something very similar with fight spells. Way easier to pull off. We have instant speed 1 mana fights in the format, you can do it turn 4 with the right hand. It doesnt need to be during combat. The spell itself is usually killing a creature, making the number of creatures they need to sac even more brutal. I get you want your surprise, but honestly there are easier ways of achieving the same goal
51:00 Actually, population size would be 49 because you had already drawn 11 cards, successes is only 20 because you had already drawn or fetched 5 lands. This would make the chance of failure 6.3% rather than 5.9%. Not a big difference but still something to keep in mind, especially in longer games.
There’s no “uh” sound after the P in Necropsy, it’s just Neh-crop-see. 😊
I played Staff once. They were playing some kind of janky game eldraine tap deck, and i went infinite on turn 4. So I could say that I have 100% winrate against WOTC.
23:00 😂 wait for it. Takes less than a minute. 🎉🎉🎉
2:48 dont think i missed that super secret Sunken Ruins tech.
The way Seth says however makes me think he's a secret jjk fan XD
It's like when you jump out of a cake and there's nobody there
You could add in some bushwhack. It's helpful to fix your lands. And later game you can force the damage on the obliterator.
you could... but as soon as you bushwhack for a swamp, people know there's obliterators in your deck. and this video is about surprises
Wish you would do some cedh builds. Alot of these decks have inspired me to try my best to replicate a similar set up
23:55 if I was to take a guess I would think your opponent may not have realized there’s a phase between first strike and the rest of damage. They may have thought all damage gets calculated then any effects happen.
I’m curious if others over look this. This seems like the kind of ruling you’d mess up once and never would forget it.
There is a card unlike any other that counters this… It causes one of your opponents creatures to deal damage to another of an opponent’s creatures… I once made someone that played Obliterator sac their entire board, off their own Obliterator!
I once Necromancy-ed in Obliterater into 40/40 attacker. Needless to say I won 😂😂
There are a few cards that do that. Cards like Solar Blaze are also pretty brutal there.
I love obliterator decks. Have a infect fight obliterator deck that's fun.
I think there's a high-pitched hum in the background of this video. It's missing from the pre-recorded Card Kingsom sponsor segment, and present the rest of the time.
My first commander deck had masako the humorless for the specific purpose of tricking people into getting obliterated
Video good. Thumbnail perfect
This is my favorte card. 4 of these and 4 sheoldred the apocalypse with 4 gix command and 4 tergrid.
I've seen the dream flawless... but from the wrong side. Opposite my friend's Obliterator deck that uses fight spells instead of trying to flash into combat.
Cool deck, but I kinda wanna try out Sword of once and future on Glissa now.
Necropo- WHAT, SETH?
Could put in fight spells to trigger obliterater
I acutally played one of the devs today in Bo1. Its the 2nd or 3rd one that I remember playing.
Tooth and Nail at instant speed is nasty
I played against one mythic orange name, not long after I started on arena. Don't remember who it was though lol.
Best card with smuggler surprise is always calamity otk, it's like it was created for that
Saffron Olive is fucking cooking with this one, god damnnnnnnnn
that high pitched noise makes it hard to watch video
yeah I couldn't finish the video
I'm always thinking about how I can snowball.
Speaking of Hostile Investigator looking like an uncommon, as someone who doesn't play much I hate how every creature that is playable is rare or mythic unless you decide to play like monored. You just accept that a percentage of your games will be loses because your mana base isn't 80% rares and your creatures are suboptimal. A bit tilting that
You got hurt by that single forest in almost every match. :( You don't even need it in the deck. If you're fetching with Stomper, you already have 2 green.
I totally forgot obliterator was in standard I watched the entire intro assuming this was the weirdest historic deck
18 minutes in, not a single obliterator has been played yet
more like sunken city surprise! I play that in my OG homarid deck
51:37 you shouldn't use 60 for this calculation, you draw 7 and will have less than 53 cards in your library at the time of the activation.
I mean, the calculation gets noticeable error bars at that point, because you've drawn 7 cards (or 10, or more by the time you play and trigger it), but how many of those are lands are not something you can just know definitively for the calculation. Like, it'd be more... Realistic? I guess, to say that there'll 50 cards or something in the deck and no more than 22 lands or something, but then your calculation has to like, have the +/- for if you've drawn 5 lands, or if you're at exactly 3, etc. by that point and it becomes impractical to do it for a generalized case. While you can get the exact odds for any specific case, it gets really... Wibbly when you start trying to acknowledge the changeable game state.
Is necropsy the new "eijano"?
or othuara
ot-to-va-ra
love the idea!
I’d just play instant speed fight spells, especially as you’re playing green anyway
Can we get tokens signed by you? If so, i for sure gotta order those.
I just played against this deck last night.... Hopefully I'm not in this video lol saw the deck list and thought huh that looks familiar
I have played since the closed beta and i faced a orange named player for the first time last year.
I LOVE THIS CARD