True. Insanity such a car be drive on the road, in public, with a normal drivers license (and a fat wallet). They (Ferraris, Porches, ... etc.), crash all over the place, endangering both the driver and anyone else. At some point lawmakers should look into capping both power and torque, mandatory traction control, tiered licenses like for motorbikes or even location aware vehicles that simply cant go faster than the peed limit.
@@clickbait4820 You won't get very far with that approach, my father raced and crashed many cars, mostly crashed them on icy roads, and he drove small (little tiny) sports cars. He was 6 foot 4 inches tall and had to squeeze into them. He also won many prizes. I have two Teslas, a model Y and a cyber truck, they have 445 and 600 hp respectively and are by far the safest cars on the road. My wife and I know how to drive after 65 years practice.
Also, it was owned by Proton ( Malaysia ) for many years ( decades? ) prior to this. Geely bought over majority shares ( 51% ) of Proton and that how the ownership came to pass. Anyway, that was my understanding.
The car raced the very next day, it wasnt in such a bad way although the times while fast for a production car, were still slower than expected so either some long term damage was caused or the driver was being extra careful sicne accident.
I'm an engineer and there is absolutely no reason that traction and stability control can't be made to work even on a 10,000 horsepower car. Locomotives do it it with that much power all day every day in America.
Holy crap; I drive a Plaid S, and the thought of something with twice that much power actually existing-we are reaching points of absurdity, in which human brains can’t handle what hypercar scan do.
There is more to it than that. This is not finally/simply about bad software. If traction control is engaged but traction breaks at full torque from a standing start the information available to sensors can mislead the software into worsening the break in traction - the software treats the traction loss as being akin to hard turning/cornering at speed thus reducing power to the 'inside' wheels and increasing power to the 'outside' resulting in severe oversteer while the car barely moves at all. Good for doughnuts but not much else. Understandably in this case, there was no snap back to a racing line because the car, as mentioned, was barely moving. The loss of traction was immediate and race ending just a few metres from the start. Arguably though, this start wasn't under launch control - the smoke implies that it was a showy misadventure - so, at most, the traction control software helped to make things worse by offering the driver the chance to bow out of the race after performing a very impressive doughnut (at the wrong time and in the wrong place). Perhaps, Tesla's traction control is more refined. Still, responding to evidence of a light EV with massive amounts of torque being at the very limit of traction at launch with a quip akin to, Tesla has an app for that, doesn't really illuminate anything at all.
@@travellover3373Geely is Chinese, they own Volvo and Polestar, Zeekr and more brands. They started out making fridges then bought other companies for their brand names
Not a race, exhibition run at Goodwood. pointless racing something like that, what class would it run in? This is a mere gadget to break track records, nothing to do with racing, just an interesting exercise.
When did Geely shed Lotus in favour of SAIC? I thought I'd missed something and quizzed Google with the same question ftom two sides. Both answers were Geely. Dyor. 👍.
@@slowery43 Wrong dude sweetheart. Meat with every meal and drive an F150. Oh and the physics of traction apply no matter what it's in. The idiot with the gas pedal is usually to blame.
I remember in 2009 when my old employer, Schneider Electric, had Orange County Chopper build an electric chopper. The owner, Paul Teutul Sr., said after his first ride that he nearly crashed, he would never touch it again because it was too fast.
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That wasn't too much power... look at the crash. The front right tire either locked up, lost power, or a software glitch. Everything else appeared to want to continue straight.
I wonder why there was zero traction control. I've seen Tesla Plaids launch with nary a whisp of smoke and get amazing times. I know that "real racers" like to turn off traction control for some reason, but it seems pretty counterproductive, as evidenced by this video.
traction control is for lead foot people who have no clue how to control the throttle, just like anti lock brakes are for morons who slam on the brakes and lock up the wheels for people who never driven in dirt
@@cardboardboxification No, traction control is for when you have a lot of power that you want to get down to the road as efficiently as possible. An electronic traction control system can react to slipping within a millisecond, and react far faster than you can. You are delusional if you think you can outperform a machine. This is why gearshifts went away to be replaced by flappy paddles. Because machines can do things so much faster and more accurately than we can.
and this is based upon all your years of nver racing any cars, not being an enginner of any sort, not knowing at all anything about racing but having a keyboard and maybe playing a video game a few times right cupcake? ugh
Starting price on a Tesla Mode S Plaid is $88K and it has software the works. I realize they are very different cars but one would think Lotus could do better with a $2 million car. Need to remember this when skeptics complain about the $120K CT. According to Car and Driver , "the Evija's entire production run is sold out." They state that while some 2024 models still need to be built and delivered, the car is no longer available for purchase.
Supercar prototypes are easy. Production is very different. Despite Lotus showing the Evija for years and then coming up with special editions like the Fittipaldi edition and this one-off Evija X track car, Lotus still hasn't delivered more than a handful of cars to buyers. At its last track day where select people could drive them, the cars were still software-locked to less than the claimed 2000 horsepower. Likewise claims that "production of all 130 units is sold out" are... squishy. Lots of the ultra-rich can put down a deposit for delivery slot, but as time goes by, the car takes too long and doesn't meet promised specs, delivery slots magically open up. And the company has to announce a more and more baroque special editions to keep interest up. Tax wealth!
and the Lotus Evija on which it's based is not yet a production car. Lotus delivered one car to Jenson Button in August 2023, but late last year when Lotus let potential buyers drive the Evija, it still hadn't enabled full 2,000 hp mode in software. Rimac has actually delivered over 50 Neveras to paying customers. "Prototypes are easy, production is hard" -- Elon Musk
The 6m 24s lap wasn't a production car, it was the 'one off' Evija X, likely same car that crashed at Goodwood. The "production" part refers to the chassis which was the same as the standard car (has anyone actually received one?).
I'm going to guess the driver accidentally turned off the traction control. With that kind of HP, you pretty much have to rely on at least some intervention.
The Nurburgring is a very long track with well over 100 turns. If the Evija made any kind of a speed record there, it must be reasonably controllable with 2000HP. Unless it was in valet mode....
The one-off track-only Lotus Evija X is a modified version of the street-legal Evija, which has a 93 kWh battery. Lotus probably reduced the battery to reduce weight and have less battery to cool, while still having enough charge to make it around the Nürburgring to claim "fastest 'Ring time ever for a 'production-based' car that was originally based on a production vehicle, not that we've managed to actually deliver multiple Evijas to paying customers, but hope springs eternal..."
Lotus is owned by Geely, not SAIC. Geely took 51% share of Lotus which was once wholly owned by Proton, during the merger exercise between Geely and Proton.
Evija doesn't have a drift mode, unlike the Nevera. But motor1 says "According to Lotus-which offered more detail to the Goodwood Road & Racing website-the driver turned off traction control, which sent all 1,257 pound-feet of torque to the wheels in an instant."
2:24: "Fastest production car the world has ever seen".......except for the 12 or 15 cars that are faster, including the 32 year old McLaren F1. Love the effort (or lack of) that goes into the research on this site.
Better check your references. The McLaren can’t even beat a 2017 Model S P100D, let alone a recent one. Catch up dude. Acceleration is EV territory now.
@@user-gu6ps6ed6lGood thing you didn't listen to the clip at 2:24. "It has a top speed of 218 mph, the fastest electric car....perhaps the fastest production car ever". Oh, and then there is The Rimac Nevera....256 mph....
Yup, so many mistakes. 218 mph isn't even top speed for an EV, the Rimac Nevera is limited to 219 mph and with its limiter disabled it reached 258 mph. And the Lotus Evija X is not street legal, it's a one-off track-only car based on the Evija, which has yet to begin regular customer deliveries. Instead of wasting time on this video, just read motor1's "Here's Why the Lotus Evija X Crashed at Goodwood"
It's the same reason i turn traction control completely off when I race in my Mustang. I recorded the results and always get better acceleration with it off. The driver had such bad traction lost before the crash that he smoked the tires and his ego kept him on the throttle. This has 0 to do with the design and 100% to do with the driver.
It is an out-n-out record breaking attempt of a car. Watch the Nurburgring video, it needs a team of engineers and dry ice to cool the cell which is only large enough to barely complete an out and flying lap at the ring.
One of the most under rated part of Tesla, its traction control, allows normal drivers to still floor it, and keep control of a machine that can do 0-11 in 3.2 seconds.
Crazy, hard to believe a race car driver would make that bad or a mistake at the start. I think he was trying to show off with a big ol burnout and it got the best of him.
I watched the video of the electric Lotus at the Nurburgring. Impressive time. Now do two laps, back to back. They can’t. It takes a team of engineers to disassemble and cool down the batteries. So yeah, it’s a neat trick - but as is so often the case with electric vehicles, they’re just not practical in real life situations.
A car can never have too much power. The driver is supposed to control how much power to put in the wheels. If too much was put into the wheels it's because the driver pressed the pedal too far, not because the car has too much power. The size of the engine/motor should not be what limits the power, the driver's brain should, or driver assist automation. That being said there exists traction control to make up for the shortcomings of the driver but often 'skilled' drivers think they know better and turn it off, which is probably what happened here. I don't think it would have crashed in that manner if it had traction control enabled, unless it was faulty.
It was probably an issue with the software. If you look carefully, you will see that the driver attempts to steer to correct the initial drift, but the wheels do not respond.
I heard an expert saying that the Lotus had a software problem, since the motors are controlled by computers with accelerometers to control attitude etc.
When my father got a new 1963 MG-B he and I raced on the back roads and he crashed right in front of me, I was 6 inches behind him in my mother's BMW. He hit the guardrail with his front fender and hit the dirt embankment on the other side with his rear. This was 2 weeks after buying it. When we got home home, my mother said what went wrong? She knew we did something stupid because we were a few minutes late getting home. Later he said, "How did you miss me? I miss them both.
@@jfv65because the culture of the company won't be the same. If you liked Lotus cars and their design philosophy, and goals, well that's gone. It's maybe still something good, but it won't be the same thing.
it wasn't the drivers fault the ECU that controls the four motors screwed up and applied the power uncontrolled. Electric power is mitigated by the computer and nessasary for any electric car to be controlled by a human
States a heap of facts about the acceleration at high speeds where exponentially more power is needed to overcome the wind resistance... "I dunno why anyone would want 2000hp" 😕🤦♂️ Maaaaaaate..... Kids with 140hp stuff up skids in narrow gaps like that all the time and he was just going full send with the TC off for show, was near one the coolest power skids I ever seen 👌 props to driver and team for going full send with that thing.
The car was not designed for drag racing. It should be possible to restrict the torque during the initial take-off to prevent wasteful burn-out and loss of stability.
@@MrAdopado, I didn't say it was, but I indicated that a drag racer would be more stable at a 'burn-out start.' I also suggested that a torque regulator for traction control would be useful because of the power-to-weight ratio. .
@@TheHogart I dont think it was software failure, i think it was an intentional burnout like the car has performed in the past. Just this time it went wrong due to driver error.
😂🤣.. hilarious Laughable to call this a production car lol. What are they gonna produce 20? 50 a year? People need a realistic definition of the words, production car. Hand building a couple dozen cars a year, should NOT qualify. They just keep stretching the meaning to get to say.. fastest production car ever.. it’s BS though. These are custom, ultra rare vehicles being, largely, hand made. Nothing normal ‘production’ about them
@@fredkite9330 the Lotus Evija X is not road legal, it's a one-off track-only car based on the "regular" Lotus Evija. And despite Lotus claiming several times that production has begun and even announcing special editions like the Fittipaldi edition, Lotus has yet to deliver multiple cars to buyers. One definition of "production car" from the FIS that regulates car racing is "25 substantially identical cars produced in a 12-month period." Rimac Nevera has achieved that; the Lotus Evija and Aspark Owl haven't yet, just like many low-volume sports cars.
I love the irony that the folks who can afford it have the lowest skill level for driving it. But it will make one heck of a nice USB charger for your phone.
It looks like it may have been a launch control malfunction or something similar, even as the rear of the car hits the hay bales the wheels are still spinning. No race driver would have continued to throttle after the frontal impact if not before said impact. no amount of pedal control is going to maximise power, traction and launch with those stats. That's why most super/hypercars/evs have luanch control. Unless Goodwood doesn't allow such systems for timed runs, but i doubt that tbh.
If u switch off traction control, rev the motor to make insane burnout and move the steering, what else you expect, those tyres are not hrd tyres those are soft tyres so it will catch traction any time
It’s about power to weight ratio - not hp. The Evija Is good but beaten by at least 7 other cars. And to say that a car has too many hp for racing is silly. Any race driver wants more power.
After the first crash into the wall the Evija more or less came to a stand still before one of the rear wheel motors engaged again, in reverse! Something was seriously wrong with that car. Cooked electronics, perhaps.
Engineers haven‘t figured out something the ESB is perfect when no wheel is spinning out of control…but when all Wheels are spinning you need a burnout stabilizer…the Lotus Evija needs one badly…Top Gear tested it and it was difficult to hold on the road if Koenigsegg Engineers developed Lotus Cars everything would be fine
Not over powered at all, that crash was pure driver error. 2000bhp is nothing in the drag racing world and they can drive in a straight line, unlike this driver lol Obviously this shouldn’t be on the street with normal drivers, thats ridiculous.
There are plenty of 2000 hp ICE cars that are successfully driven in anger, my bet is that the duracell one was poorly balanced or faulty some other way.
iCE horsepower and electric horsepower are quite different. An ICE engine has a torque curve that starts low and climbs as the rpm spool up. An electric motor has maximum torque available from the instant you touch the accelerator. Traction control is useful on a powerful gasoline auto, but it"S absolutely ESSENTIAL on a powerful EV. Either that, or an extremely light touch on the accelerator.
motor1: "According to Lotus-which offered more detail to the Goodwood Road & Racing website-the driver turned off traction control, which sent all 1,257 pound-feet of torque to the wheels in an instant. In the first few feet, the rear wheels were spinning at 170 miles per hour and the front tires were moving at 150 mph. The driver attempted to save the car from spinning by lifting off the throttle, but the balance of the car shifted, which sent it headlong into the hay barrels."
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Anyone who has driven a very fast car knows that a car can be too fast for the average person and maybe even a professional.
True. Insanity such a car be drive on the road, in public, with a normal drivers license (and a fat wallet). They (Ferraris, Porches, ... etc.), crash all over the place, endangering both the driver and anyone else. At some point lawmakers should look into capping both power and torque, mandatory traction control, tiered licenses like for motorbikes or even location aware vehicles that simply cant go faster than the peed limit.
wrr
It would need tremendous downforce and traction control to make full use of 2000 hp.
It's not too fast though, it crashed at like 3 mph.
@@clickbait4820 You won't get very far with that approach, my father raced and crashed many cars, mostly crashed them on icy roads, and he drove small (little tiny) sports cars. He was 6 foot 4 inches tall and had to squeeze into them. He also won many prizes. I have two Teslas, a model Y and a cyber truck, they have 445 and 600 hp respectively and are by far the safest cars on the road. My wife and I know how to drive after 65 years practice.
POWER WITHOUT CONTROL IS NOTHING
So sayeth Pirelli
"Power is nothing without control"
Its drivers error,
Sorry Sam - small error in the beginning of the video: Lotus is owned by the Geely group. Not by SAIC.
That's I thought, I'm sure it still is part of the Geely group.
Also, it was owned by Proton ( Malaysia ) for many years ( decades? ) prior to this. Geely bought over majority shares ( 51% ) of Proton and that how the ownership came to pass. Anyway, that was my understanding.
I worked for Lotus when it was owned by GM
This video is littered with errors. Evija X isn't a production car, it's not street legal, it isn't the fastest EV let alone production car.
Its not too much power its too much power for that particular driver who should have slept in that day period!!!!
Not smashed up, a bit of carbon fiber was broken, but the car was generally fine!
Fact as per reports.
The car raced the very next day, it wasnt in such a bad way although the times while fast for a production car, were still slower than expected so either some long term damage was caused or the driver was being extra careful sicne accident.
Countersteering probably won't help when all four tires are smoking.
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Yes the smoke is evidence of hyper traction loss. His ego kept him from using proper throttle control.
Sam Lotus is owned by Geely not SIAC
I'm an engineer and there is absolutely no reason that traction and stability control can't be made to work even on a 10,000 horsepower car. Locomotives do it it with that much power all day every day in America.
Holy crap; I drive a Plaid S, and the thought of something with twice that much power actually existing-we are reaching points of absurdity, in which human brains can’t handle what hypercar scan do.
Lotus is owned by Geely.
ahhhhhh that's why !! another "good looking" fake crap...
I thought that Lotus looked sort of Asian.
@@heretikpapy
Lotus Emira. A real beauty.
China bought Lotus from Malaysia.😊
Lotus is now located and built in Wuhan, China
Best Porsche commercial ever 👍
Tesla's don't fly out of control because Tesla software keeps control. Tires are not allowed to spin unaccountably.
look like they have the option to turn off some of the control.
@@jxmai7687So in the end it was driver error if that was the case.
Every car does that. Lotus EVs launches just fine, if you keep the ESC on.
Teslas
There is more to it than that. This is not finally/simply about bad software. If traction control is engaged but traction breaks at full torque from a standing start the information available to sensors can mislead the software into worsening the break in traction - the software treats the traction loss as being akin to hard turning/cornering at speed thus reducing power to the 'inside' wheels and increasing power to the 'outside' resulting in severe oversteer while the car barely moves at all. Good for doughnuts but not much else. Understandably in this case, there was no snap back to a racing line because the car, as mentioned, was barely moving. The loss of traction was immediate and race ending just a few metres from the start.
Arguably though, this start wasn't under launch control - the smoke implies that it was a showy misadventure - so, at most, the traction control software helped
to make things worse by offering the driver the chance to bow out of the race after performing a very impressive doughnut (at the wrong time and in the wrong place).
Perhaps, Tesla's traction control is more refined. Still, responding to evidence of a light EV with massive amounts of torque being at the very limit of traction at launch with a quip akin to, Tesla has an app for that, doesn't really illuminate anything at all.
Apparently the crash was caused by some sort of Software issue on one of the 4 motors
Hardware issue. Too hard on the accelerator pedal!
Obviously traction control was turned off.
Yeah it let out full power.
it was a software meat puppet glitch thinking it was on a drag strip
This comment is the actual truth. 4 independent motors - 1 motor was given too much input. It had nothing to do with the driver.
Bit concerned that you did not know that Lotus is owned by Geely.
Is Geely an american company?
@@travellover3373Geely is Chinese, they own Volvo and Polestar, Zeekr and more brands. They started out making fridges then bought other companies for their brand names
@@travellover3373 Geely is Chinese. They own Volvo and many other brands
@@travellover3373Geely owns 51% of Lotus. The remaining 49% is owned by a Malaysian company.
@@keeptalking100 Right, did EV say Lotus is owned by american or chinese?
Trying to win the race in the first 50 feet will usually end in disaster. And here it did.
putting on a show for the crowd
Not a race, exhibition run at Goodwood. pointless racing something like that, what class would it run in? This is a mere gadget to break track records, nothing to do with racing, just an interesting exercise.
Drag racer: hold muh beer
Rimac Nevera has 1,914 hp, 1,741 lb⋅ft and it can go straight at 258mph, so i don't know what's so special with this car.
He’s never heard of the Rimac Nevera. Can someone please tell him?
@@ElMistroFeroz he states a production car.
@@gjohnston6052it is/was a production car but Rimac didn’t produce many?
And let’s not forget the Aspark OWL SP600, which can do 272mph in a straight line.
@@markbennett6658 sold about 50+ with a plan of producing 150 in total
When did Geely shed Lotus in favour of SAIC?
I thought I'd missed something and quizzed Google with the same question ftom two sides.
Both answers were Geely.
Dyor. 👍.
With that amount of HP it's like driving on a sheet of ice. Take your foot off the gas, alleged professional race driver.😊
haha so tell us Princess about all the 1000hp cars you've driven recently since you seem to believe you're an expert on driving 1000 hp cars.
@@slowery43 Wrong dude sweetheart. Meat with every meal and drive an F150. Oh and the physics of traction apply no matter what it's in. The idiot with the gas pedal is usually to blame.
I remember in 2009 when my old employer, Schneider Electric, had Orange County Chopper build an electric chopper. The owner, Paul Teutul Sr., said after his first ride that he nearly crashed, he would never touch it again because it was too fast.
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Thought Lotus was owner by Geely, as is Polestar, Volvo, Lynk&Co Proton and Smart
That wasn't too much power... look at the crash. The front right tire either locked up, lost power, or a software glitch. Everything else appeared to want to continue straight.
I wonder why there was zero traction control. I've seen Tesla Plaids launch with nary a whisp of smoke and get amazing times. I know that "real racers" like to turn off traction control for some reason, but it seems pretty counterproductive, as evidenced by this video.
traction control is for lead foot people who have no clue how to control the throttle, just like anti lock brakes are for morons who slam on the brakes and lock up the wheels
for people who never driven in dirt
@@cardboardboxification No, traction control is for when you have a lot of power that you want to get down to the road as efficiently as possible. An electronic traction control system can react to slipping within a millisecond, and react far faster than you can.
You are delusional if you think you can outperform a machine. This is why gearshifts went away to be replaced by flappy paddles. Because machines can do things so much faster and more accurately than we can.
He probably switched off traction control. Bad idea in a 2000hp car. I bet it would have been just fine with traction control ON.
and this is based upon all your years of nver racing any cars, not being an enginner of any sort, not knowing at all anything about racing but having a keyboard and maybe playing a video game a few times right cupcake? ugh
@@slowery43 everyone has traction control , It's your foot....
morons lock up brakes and crash going straight
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When I saw the title, I though it's going to be a high speed crash, turned out to crashed at like 3 miles per hour.
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No he didn’t destroy it the electronics messed up. You can see it get pulled to the side without them turning it to the side
Starting price on a Tesla Mode S Plaid is $88K and it has software the works. I realize they are very different cars but one would think Lotus could do better with a $2 million car. Need to remember this when skeptics complain about the $120K CT.
According to Car and Driver , "the Evija's entire production run is sold out." They state that while some 2024 models still need to be built and delivered, the car is no longer available for purchase.
Supercar prototypes are easy. Production is very different. Despite Lotus showing the Evija for years and then coming up with special editions like the Fittipaldi edition and this one-off Evija X track car, Lotus still hasn't delivered more than a handful of cars to buyers. At its last track day where select people could drive them, the cars were still software-locked to less than the claimed 2000 horsepower.
Likewise claims that "production of all 130 units is sold out" are... squishy. Lots of the ultra-rich can put down a deposit for delivery slot, but as time goes by, the car takes too long and doesn't meet promised specs, delivery slots magically open up. And the company has to announce a more and more baroque special editions to keep interest up.
Tax wealth!
He's never heard of the Rimac Nevera..
HAAAMMOOOND!!!!!!!
@@12pentaborane That was the much less powerful Rimac Concept 1, bruh...
@@JappaKneads I read Rimac and thought you were making a Top Gear reference.
@@12pentaborane np...
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Don’t blame the car. Blame the operator!
it was the car it was a software problem
@@eddjordan2399 👍The drove to the starting line okay.
@@Michael-yi4mc What does that tell you? They weren't using much accelerator to drive to the start line.
The Evija X is NOT street legal and is NOT a production car.
and the Lotus Evija on which it's based is not yet a production car. Lotus delivered one car to Jenson Button in August 2023, but late last year when Lotus let potential buyers drive the Evija, it still hadn't enabled full 2,000 hp mode in software. Rimac has actually delivered over 50 Neveras to paying customers.
"Prototypes are easy, production is hard" -- Elon Musk
The 6m 24s lap wasn't a production car, it was the 'one off' Evija X, likely same car that crashed at Goodwood.
The "production" part refers to the chassis which was the same as the standard car (has anyone actually received one?).
No matter what you drive, rule #1 is don't b an idiot. That driver is an idiot.
I'm going to guess the driver accidentally turned off the traction control. With that kind of HP, you pretty much have to rely on at least some intervention.
The Nurburgring is a very long track with well over 100 turns. If the Evija made any kind of a speed record there, it must be reasonably controllable with 2000HP.
Unless it was in valet mode....
4000 hp come on then unleash the flying cars!!!
Peace & Love!!!
Only a 70 kWh battery?!? The anti-EV stooges will be complaining about range anxiety . 😂
The one-off track-only Lotus Evija X is a modified version of the street-legal Evija, which has a 93 kWh battery. Lotus probably reduced the battery to reduce weight and have less battery to cool, while still having enough charge to make it around the Nürburgring to claim "fastest 'Ring time ever for a 'production-based' car that was originally based on a production vehicle, not that we've managed to actually deliver multiple Evijas to paying customers, but hope springs eternal..."
Lotus is owned by Geely, not SAIC. Geely took 51% share of Lotus which was once wholly owned by Proton, during the merger exercise between Geely and Proton.
At last, an EV that can truly be called "The Widowmaker " :)
Looks like it was in drift mode, but the important thing is: it got the attention, thats what counts if you want to sell.
Evija doesn't have a drift mode, unlike the Nevera. But motor1 says "According to Lotus-which offered more detail to the Goodwood Road & Racing website-the driver turned off traction control, which sent all 1,257 pound-feet of torque to the wheels in an instant."
2:24: "Fastest production car the world has ever seen".......except for the 12 or 15 cars that are faster, including the 32 year old McLaren F1. Love the effort (or lack of) that goes into the research on this site.
Better check your references. The McLaren can’t even beat a 2017 Model S P100D, let alone a recent one. Catch up dude. Acceleration is EV territory now.
@@ElMistroFeroz he's talking about top speed which is an entirely different topic
He said it made it around the track the fastest not top speed.
@@user-gu6ps6ed6lGood thing you didn't listen to the clip at 2:24. "It has a top speed of 218 mph, the fastest electric car....perhaps the fastest production car ever".
Oh, and then there is The Rimac Nevera....256 mph....
Yup, so many mistakes. 218 mph isn't even top speed for an EV, the Rimac Nevera is limited to 219 mph and with its limiter disabled it reached 258 mph. And the Lotus Evija X is not street legal, it's a one-off track-only car based on the Evija, which has yet to begin regular customer deliveries.
Instead of wasting time on this video, just read motor1's "Here's Why the Lotus Evija X Crashed at Goodwood"
Most drivers can't even handle a 2CV but now anyone can buy a 2000kg monster with 500+ HP.
Lotus it's owned by geely not saic
No such thing as “too fast”. If it’s uncontrollable then the traction control and braking was poorly made.
Lotus says the driver turned off traction control, probably in order to smoke all four tires to look and sound REALLY COOL.
It's the same reason i turn traction control completely off when I race in my Mustang. I recorded the results and always get better acceleration with it off. The driver had such bad traction lost before the crash that he smoked the tires and his ego kept him on the throttle. This has 0 to do with the design and 100% to do with the driver.
But you love fast and furious cars like that, like a boy racer 😁
when you've got 500hp odd running through each wheel, managing torque-steer becomes a very finely tuned requirement
1:03 😂😂OHHHH😂😂
that hit me hard!...😂😂😂
It is an out-n-out record breaking attempt of a car. Watch the Nurburgring video, it needs a team of engineers and dry ice to cool the cell which is only large enough to barely complete an out and flying lap at the ring.
One of the most under rated part of Tesla, its traction control, allows normal drivers to still floor it, and keep control of a machine that can do 0-11 in 3.2 seconds.
Crazy, hard to believe a race car driver would make that bad or a mistake at the start. I think he was trying to show off with a big ol burnout and it got the best of him.
I watched the video of the electric Lotus at the Nurburgring. Impressive time. Now do two laps, back to back. They can’t. It takes a team of engineers to disassemble and cool down the batteries. So yeah, it’s a neat trick - but as is so often the case with electric vehicles, they’re just not practical in real life situations.
A car can never have too much power. The driver is supposed to control how much power to put in the wheels. If too much was put into the wheels it's because the driver pressed the pedal too far, not because the car has too much power. The size of the engine/motor should not be what limits the power, the driver's brain should, or driver assist automation.
That being said there exists traction control to make up for the shortcomings of the driver but often 'skilled' drivers think they know better and turn it off, which is probably what happened here. I don't think it would have crashed in that manner if it had traction control enabled, unless it was faulty.
It's not that it makes 2000hp it's that it makes it instantly.
It was probably an issue with the software. If you look carefully, you will see that the driver attempts to steer to correct the initial drift, but the wheels do not respond.
Lotus is owned by geely
Maybe they have gone too far?... If you are an actual car enthusiast would never say a car has too much power.
The driver turned off traction control, probably to show off and smoke all four tires.
No driver error. The individual wheels went crazy spinning the vehicle. It's electronic, not analog. Do not blame driver the car did crazy stuff
I heard an expert saying that the Lotus had a software problem, since the motors are controlled by computers with accelerometers to control attitude etc.
Props to lotus. If you ain’t breaking something you’re not pushing hard enough. A crash for lotus and a step forward for Motorsport.
It doesn't look like the driver used counter steer until the car was heading into the barrier.
When my father got a new 1963 MG-B he and I raced on the back roads and he crashed right in front of me, I was 6 inches behind him in my mother's BMW. He hit the guardrail with his front fender and hit the dirt embankment on the other side with his rear. This was 2 weeks after buying it. When we got home home, my mother said what went wrong? She knew we did something stupid because we were a few minutes late getting home. Later he said, "How did you miss me? I miss them both.
Sad that its no longer a british company.
Why? Volvo is no longer Swedish, Rolls Royce and Bentley are no longer British. Opel is no longer GM-Germany. Etcetera. We live in a globalised world.
@@jfv65because the culture of the company won't be the same. If you liked Lotus cars and their design philosophy, and goals, well that's gone. It's maybe still something good, but it won't be the same thing.
Sorry man........but the British Empire has well and truly expired.
@@colinbowman8816 The issue is that they are now just rebadged Chinese vehicles. That sense of craftsmanship is gone
@@rishinarang9966chinese craftsmanship is better. live in the new old please you old troll
Have you heard about the Aspark OWL SP600, the top speed is 272 mph. Faster than the Rimac Nevera.
There is no such thing as "too much power".
The only thing that applies all the time is "not good enough to drive it".
it wasn't the drivers fault the ECU that controls the four motors screwed up and applied the power uncontrolled. Electric power is mitigated by the computer and nessasary for any electric car to be controlled by a human
the driver turned off traction control
States a heap of facts about the acceleration at high speeds where exponentially more power is needed to overcome the wind resistance... "I dunno why anyone would want 2000hp" 😕🤦♂️ Maaaaaaate..... Kids with 140hp stuff up skids in narrow gaps like that all the time and he was just going full send with the TC off for show, was near one the coolest power skids I ever seen 👌 props to driver and team for going full send with that thing.
Lotus is owned by the Geely Group, not SaIc.
Geely acquired Lotus when they bought Proton, who’d bought it years prior.
Lotus belongs to Geely, not SAIC
When a car's name rhymes with Evil & Ouija, what else do we expect?
Its up to traction control software to keep the car straight. It has torque vectoring, instead of a differential. The driver is innocent.
If you are smoking all four tyres, then you've effectively lost control.
The car was not designed for drag racing. It should be possible to restrict the torque during the initial take-off to prevent wasteful burn-out and loss of stability.
It wasn't drag racing. It was the timed hill climb on a narrow winding track at the Goodwood Festival of Speed.
@@MrAdopado, I didn't say it was, but I indicated that a drag racer would be more stable at a 'burn-out start.' I also suggested that a torque regulator for traction control would be useful because of the power-to-weight ratio.
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Lotus is owned by Geely not SAIC!!
Man, total software failure!
I agree, 💯
@@TheHogart I dont think it was software failure, i think it was an intentional burnout like the car has performed in the past. Just this time it went wrong due to driver error.
Traction control was turned off. If traction control was on there would be very little tire smoke on launch and the car would not spin out.
😂🤣.. hilarious
Laughable to call this a production car lol. What are they gonna produce 20? 50 a year? People need a realistic definition of the words, production car. Hand building a couple dozen cars a year, should NOT qualify. They just keep stretching the meaning to get to say.. fastest production car ever.. it’s BS though. These are custom, ultra rare vehicles being, largely, hand made. Nothing normal ‘production’ about them
@@fredkite9330 the Lotus Evija X is not road legal, it's a one-off track-only car based on the "regular" Lotus Evija. And despite Lotus claiming several times that production has begun and even announcing special editions like the Fittipaldi edition, Lotus has yet to deliver multiple cars to buyers.
One definition of "production car" from the FIS that regulates car racing is "25 substantially identical cars produced in a 12-month period." Rimac Nevera has achieved that; the Lotus Evija and Aspark Owl haven't yet, just like many low-volume sports cars.
it's a garage queen, anyone who buys one will never drive it , except to get Starbucks
I love the irony that the folks who can afford it have the lowest skill level for driving it. But it will make one heck of a nice USB charger for your phone.
Wow, imagine 2000 hp with a negative camber and 4 motors driving it that's insane 😂😂😂😂😂
No way in heck did they make it 50 feet Sam…not a chance😂
It looks like it may have been a launch control malfunction or something similar, even as the rear of the car hits the hay bales the wheels are still spinning. No race driver would have continued to throttle after the frontal impact if not before said impact. no amount of pedal control is going to maximise power, traction and launch with those stats. That's why most super/hypercars/evs have luanch control. Unless Goodwood doesn't allow such systems for timed runs, but i doubt that tbh.
If u switch off traction control, rev the motor to make insane burnout and move the steering, what else you expect, those tyres are not hrd tyres those are soft tyres so it will catch traction any time
It’s about power to weight ratio - not hp. The Evija Is good but beaten by at least 7 other cars. And to say that a car has too many hp for racing is silly. Any race driver wants more power.
Lotus EV is like a digital Rolex 😮😢😂
The Goodwood festival of speed is barely a race track, it's a winding hill-climb with little room for error...
After the first crash into the wall the Evija more or less came to a stand still before one of the rear wheel motors engaged again, in reverse! Something was seriously wrong with that car. Cooked electronics, perhaps.
Engineers haven‘t figured out something the ESB is perfect when no wheel is spinning out of control…but when all Wheels are spinning you need a burnout stabilizer…the Lotus Evija needs one badly…Top Gear tested it and it was difficult to hold on the road if Koenigsegg Engineers developed Lotus Cars everything would be fine
thought all the fancy electronics would keep it straight!!! This is progress!!
Four motors all working against each other to keep the car from crashing didn’t. 🤷♂️
Not over powered at all, that crash was pure driver error. 2000bhp is nothing in the drag racing world and they can drive in a straight line, unlike this driver lol Obviously this shouldn’t be on the street with normal drivers, thats ridiculous.
I am in shock. I am in agreement with Sam.....😅
You have to use traction control to deal with that much power.😊
There are plenty of 2000 hp ICE cars that are successfully driven in anger, my bet is that the duracell one was poorly balanced or faulty some other way.
iCE horsepower and electric horsepower are quite different. An ICE engine has a torque curve that starts low and climbs as the rpm spool up. An electric motor has maximum torque available from the instant you touch the accelerator. Traction control is useful on a powerful gasoline auto, but it"S absolutely ESSENTIAL on a powerful EV. Either that, or an extremely light touch on the accelerator.
@@jonvelde5730 2000 hp spins the wheels no matter what the engine.
motor1: "According to Lotus-which offered more detail to the Goodwood Road & Racing website-the driver turned off traction control, which sent all 1,257 pound-feet of torque to the wheels in an instant. In the first few feet, the rear wheels were spinning at 170 miles per hour and the front tires were moving at 150 mph. The driver attempted to save the car from spinning by lifting off the throttle, but the balance of the car shifted, which sent it headlong into the hay barrels."
Not if you can drive it, but where? A drivethru? Freeway? 405 weekday traffic? Paris? Nahhh give me three GTR’s and change
EV horsepower is REALLY torquey at launch. This driver was not used to that...
How many high speed laps will it do at Nurburgring on 1 charge?
Lotus es GEELY GROUP .
Damn i didnt know they made an extreme version of this car lol, this is insane
You may be rich enough to buy one but being rich does not necessarily make you a good enough driver
2000 horsepower is not too much power... Koenigsegg Gemera is a hybrid that produces 2300 horsepower and has 4 seats...
Yeah, but... We're talking 2000 ELECTRIC horsepower
@@user-uj9fl3rd7n You have to also consider Traction Control on EVs is a whole different league.
@@user-uj9fl3rd7n it's no different whether it's from EV or ICE.
@@ElMistroFeroz Not apparently in this video, though
@@chrisbarron5861 It does matter as with EVs you have maximum torque at 0 RPM to the RPM limit. ICE motor don't have that torque at low RPM.
That's just insane, maybe for the track it is usable but as a daily driver...that power is more or less suicide and manslaughter.
Driver, get off your cellphone!