Winters should really tell the amateur what he had after that exchange. He told him in the spirt that he would also exchange the info. Moreover the amateur telling his hand gives away far more Intel to the table than winters folding AQo to an amateurs 4 bet.
Because you think there's a code of information exchange at the table? The amateur should have tossed his hand to the dealer, and tried off-hand to figure out if he made Winters fold a bigger hand. In this case, he pretty much should know he's oveplaying A-8 suited, that's why he raised. Winters probably peels one against Chidwick or Peters, but can't really suss the amateur because he has played many fewer hands against him. Obviously, just my opinion. Sean is also vulnerable to his opponent's stack, and the man could easily have A-K here, which is why Winters folded.
I wouldn't say code as much as etiquette. You have to cater more to dead money amateurs in these types of fields. Without them basically just giving their money away to these pros these events would start to dry up. This is obviously more important in cash games, but making complete amatuers want to continue throwing buy ins into the event is still +ev. And, as I said it doesn't hurt him at all. The pros know he is making an exploitative fold verse an amateur and the amateur isn't going to realize that or know that winters will now play much different knowing he made that play with A8.
@@gwat34 Look, I understand the hustlers' code. However, I never underestimate players at the table when I know their pockets are much deeper than mine. So the idea of catering to dead money is beyond me. Maybe one day I'll be in that spot, and I understand what you are saying. But I'm not sure your logic completes itself when players are often backed to the hilt by other players and routinely find a 25-50K buy-in when their bankrolls and skill levels don't come close to justifying it. Just a lock-down fold by Sean, and he doesn't want his opponent to necessarily know exactly where he was, even if his fellow pros do.
@user-dn8cp9wg4x well, this isn't a case where his skill doesn't match the statkes but he is backed so us playing. He is a world class pro. The amateur simply isn't going to be able to outplay him if he is given the info. And the other pros know he is making an exploitative fold against the amateur that he wouldn't verse them. So, there is really no downside to make the amateur feel like it's a friendly game.
@@gwat34 OK. You're saying SW is backed? Does he not have a bankroll that justifies dropping 25-50k when he wants? I know his skill-set is top-level. I would imagine the amateur might need the backing, but I'm never surprised to find out who has a piece of who.
This is top-level poker. If you fell asleep, you might just be a spectator and not a player. Sorry it's not always entertaining, but to a professional player, watching everything is way more valuable than just the edited big hands.
No, anyone may or may not get lucky during any given hand. If you don't understand that the long run evens the luck out, and it's up to the player to win hands they 'shouldn't', well then you probably don't understand how these 'genius' players win in the long run by playing better poker than their tablemates. Anyways, long story short there is hardly any luck overtime. And the more you play poker the more you will come to understand this.
And this is chat gpts version which explains it better: Luck can swing either way in any single hand. It's the long-term play that balances out this luck. The skill lies in winning hands that might seem unfavorable. That's how skilled players consistently outperform others at the table. Over time, luck plays a smaller role, and the more you play poker, the clearer this becomes.
You know nothing of poker, John Snow. Just because you came here to watch a tad. Are you going to pull the absurd morality card here and suggest their characters somehow lack because they are gambling for a living, as well?
Great stuff guys but next could you mix the commentary and player audio a little more evenly? The commentary is so much louder then the player audio
Winters should really tell the amateur what he had after that exchange. He told him in the spirt that he would also exchange the info. Moreover the amateur telling his hand gives away far more Intel to the table than winters folding AQo to an amateurs 4 bet.
Because you think there's a code of information exchange at the table? The amateur should have tossed his hand to the dealer, and tried off-hand to figure out if he made Winters fold a bigger hand. In this case, he pretty much should know he's oveplaying A-8 suited, that's why he raised. Winters probably peels one against Chidwick or Peters, but can't really suss the amateur because he has played many fewer hands against him. Obviously, just my opinion. Sean is also vulnerable to his opponent's stack, and the man could easily have A-K here, which is why Winters folded.
I wouldn't say code as much as etiquette.
You have to cater more to dead money amateurs in these types of fields. Without them basically just giving their money away to these pros these events would start to dry up. This is obviously more important in cash games, but making complete amatuers want to continue throwing buy ins into the event is still +ev.
And, as I said it doesn't hurt him at all. The pros know he is making an exploitative fold verse an amateur and the amateur isn't going to realize that or know that winters will now play much different knowing he made that play with A8.
@@gwat34 Look, I understand the hustlers' code. However, I never underestimate players at the table when I know their pockets are much deeper than mine. So the idea of catering to dead money is beyond me. Maybe one day I'll be in that spot, and I understand what you are saying. But I'm not sure your logic completes itself when players are often backed to the hilt by other players and routinely find a 25-50K buy-in when their bankrolls and skill levels don't come close to justifying it. Just a lock-down fold by Sean, and he doesn't want his opponent to necessarily know exactly where he was, even if his fellow pros do.
@user-dn8cp9wg4x well, this isn't a case where his skill doesn't match the statkes but he is backed so us playing.
He is a world class pro. The amateur simply isn't going to be able to outplay him if he is given the info. And the other pros know he is making an exploitative fold against the amateur that he wouldn't verse them.
So, there is really no downside to make the amateur feel like it's a friendly game.
@@gwat34 OK. You're saying SW is backed? Does he not have a bankroll that justifies dropping 25-50k when he wants? I know his skill-set is top-level. I would imagine the amateur might need the backing, but I'm never surprised to find out who has a piece of who.
Every street being dealt: FWAP
Slow
Alas, I fell asleep...: :/
This is top-level poker. If you fell asleep, you might just be a spectator and not a player. Sorry it's not always entertaining, but to a professional player, watching everything is way more valuable than just the edited big hands.
Harlem
A heart? When there is no flush.
Get these guys a new job.
They are geniuses because they can play a gambling game? Did you ever think they might be a tad lucky too?!?!
No, anyone may or may not get lucky during any given hand. If you don't understand that the long run evens the luck out, and it's up to the player to win hands they 'shouldn't', well then you probably don't understand how these 'genius' players win in the long run by playing better poker than their tablemates. Anyways, long story short there is hardly any luck overtime. And the more you play poker the more you will come to understand this.
And this is chat gpts version which explains it better:
Luck can swing either way in any single hand. It's the long-term play that balances out this luck. The skill lies in winning hands that might seem unfavorable. That's how skilled players consistently outperform others at the table. Over time, luck plays a smaller role, and the more you play poker, the clearer this becomes.
@@CashMonkeyBluffMasterwell said brother
4:19 watergulping
You know nothing of poker, John Snow. Just because you came here to watch a tad. Are you going to pull the absurd morality card here and suggest their characters somehow lack because they are gambling for a living, as well?
BORRRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most poker players who play for a living fold 75-80% of their hands pre-flop.
@@TeddyKGB1991 i rather play for a living then, at least im making money
Is this live? (Lol)