Colt thunderer 1877 double action!!
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- range day with my Colt thunderer.
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Interesting video. 👍 Like that old Colt there. Nice piece!😀
Having a converted '51 Navy to 38Spl, I'll load soft cast 150gr SWC to .38LC levels, sized to .358". In this configuration, the soft lead "bumps up" to engage the rifiling in the .375" bore with decent results. Further, using soft lead .360" RB, with a safe powder charge, the RB allows easy chambering, and decent accuracy with the slower twist in the bore.
Thanks for the information and review of the very interesting use of a 38 in a 41 revolver.👍
Thanks for stopping by. I was happy it worked so well. Going from .357 to .386 is a lot of expansion. but it seemed to work just fine
Good job Snapper you seemed a little more relaxed today you can get comfortable with us we're all your friends camera work was just fine thanks for the video
Thanks Louisiana gray for the kind words.
Awesome Old Colt. Thank you very much. Have a beautiful and blessed week.
Thanks and same to you friend
That is too cool Snapper, you are lucky to have that thunderer !!
Thanks!! i thank god everyday for giving me the opportunity to have things like this thunderer
Very cool gun ... and very nice backdrop to shoot it ...
Thanks
I didn’t catch this one, but I’m watching it now I guess RUclips didn’t notify me
That's youtube lately. Hope you enjoy it
I collect colts and I have always had a passion for lightning and thunderers. Other smiths send me 1877 to fix. Other than saa the 1877 and 1878 are my favorite.
I have always loved the look of the 1877s . I found it not as difficult to work on as people make it sound. Once I had a good understanding of how the gun operates, it wasn't really difficult to work on. So what was it like working in colts Custom shop. I always thought it would be so fun to work at colt
Also I am a gunsmith and I repair 1877 colts. My shop is bark iron gunsmithing.
Glade to have someone like yourself around. I am looking for the Spring in the case Extractor.
I REALLY need a Lightning! 4.5" and nickel plated is my goal. The Rainmaker would be a nice find too!
I've never seen one. I'd be happy just to get a picture of one at a show.
Yes you do. I have gotten pretty good at working on these. If you find one cheap because its not running right. I can help you get it running perfect. New and old parts are easy to get
Like squib said i have never seen a rain maker either. They are incredibly rare
@@squiblift2019 I've also only heard rumors of their exsistence.
Thank you for this video! I have one of these, chambered in .38 but mine no longer works in DA. The trigger will pull completely back but won't release the hammer.
Interesting. Its possible its gummed up or might have been put together wrong. I have also seen a replacement bolt not fitted do the same thing
These things are pretty complicated inside. It seems that people struggle to put them back together properly. It took me about 15 tries messing with mine to fully understand what’s going on. I found a 3d cad model on RUclips of the gun firing that made it all make sense.
Was fun. I was hired right out of the Pennsylvania gunsmithing school and I did all the color case hardening/bluing and timing of most colt single action army's. I learned from all the old timers that had worked for colt for years. the best.
That must have been an amazing experience. I would just love to spend some time in the custom shop. Especially working on SAA. I have 3 blackpowder frame 1st gens and love them so much. Nothing quite like SAAs
Brilliant video, love this real shooting stuff, some great angles and action there old mate . cheers
Thanks steve hope all is well brother
@@snappers_antique_firearms all good here old mate, been away from the farm for the weekend, spent the entire week (ha ha) celebrating my 70th birthday with my dear 94 year old Dad and my four sons - don't get much better cobber, cheers
@@CodyandSteveDownUnder well happy birthday old friend. That dos sound like a very good way of spending a birthday
@@snappers_antique_firearms cheers cobber :)
If you are looking for good parts look up jack first gun parts. All the parts are machined not that cast junk from Dixie gun works or numrich. so there is no shrinkage. They have the correct ejector rod spring /trigger spring/and other parts. As to cylinder locking bolt/hands they make them to. I can fit them and correct the timing of the revolver in single and double action. But that is on a case by case basis. If anyone is in need of that work done.
I also order parts from Jack First gun parts. I like doing business with them. Fi do all my own work on my personal guy. But if you to Is online forums and you might get lost of extra work being personal a scared to work on these.
Love that gun!
I agree it's a very good pistol.
Thanks for putting this on. If you ever find a new army colt in 41 long colt, please post it.
I have a large customer base. Use to work for colts custom shop back in the 80's and I worked for Beretta also.
Sounds like i am a very lucky man to have someone of your caliber watching my videos.
Beautiful revolver my brother, I got a strike on my channel but should be back this week with truck rescue pt 5.
I am sorry to hear that. RUclips is stuck on stupid lately. I got my first strike no joke when I change my name to Snappers antique firearms. It used to be the wild snapper. They gave me a strike because they said I was selling guns. I dont sell my guns..ever. did the appeal and they still said I was guilty🙄. I will be looking forward to seeing your video
@Snappers antique firearms Unlimited (snafu) they lie, and make up trumped up reasons like some kangaroo court system. Your guilty based on their prejudices unfair biases.
@@Ford360CID i could not agree more. Its crazy how this stupid ideology of the left is so widely accepted and enforced on social media.
Very nice! One type of ammo for multiple guns is what I live by myself.
Thanks JosyWalesWi
Very cool. I have a Lightning I've had for years and years now. I've been meaning to reload for it but get distracted by other stuff. Nice work on getting this one up and running. 👍
Thank you. Hope you get the chance to load some ammo. They are so much fun.
@@snappers_antique_firearms I'm just a little concerned because I've heard some of the internal parts are fragile. Guess we'll find out........ one day. lol
@@a.r.m.4you182 trust me when I say it's not as bad as the say. Just put a new trigger Spring in the gun. They look like they are hard to work on and you will hear they are hard to work on.. but they really are not that bad.
I've always been interested in the Colt 1877 DAs. Never seem to be able to get my hands on one though. Looks like you got yourself a shooter though. The range you are at looks familiar...
Thanks i wanted to get one for years. They always fell through. I got lucky and found this one. The range Its about 10 miles north of las vegas. A public shooting area near the prison
@@snappers_antique_firearms I thought it was a place that is a little farther west from there... closer to Barstow
What great fun with a dandy old revolver.
Thanks
Beautiful revolver. Great shooting.
Thanks! When i started focusing on shooting it shot great. Unfortunately my camera skills suck so the gun is out of the screen
@@snappers_antique_firearms Not as easy as it looks shooting in one hand and holding a camera in the other. I done it this weekend while trying to film some Pietta Dance Shorts. Forgot my tripod
@@JWheeler331 yeah that's why I had to do it as well
Thanks Snapper: GAWD I want one; As you know, at an auction I bought a 1892 that was called one (sigh) Now I saw one in action. VERY COOL You Did it. Well Done! this is a vid I waited for. WELL done lad.I say, well done: btw I heard that on the first cylinder. Ricochet... and as for Blackie: I believe he must have traded his soul for that formula. I too have used it. I have no idea the formula but, it is witch's brew... Thanks Lad.
Hey, gray, good to see you, buddy. That 92 of yours is still a really nice revolver. Yeah, it was a light strike on that first cylinder. Forgot to tighten the screw that adds tension to the hammer spring. It's surprising that any of the rounds fired. I have gotten pretty good at working on these 1877s. The best way to get one is to find one that's broken at a way lower price.. i would be happy to get it running for you just for the price of any parts it may need. its hard to tell from the videos. These 1877s are smaller guns. The 32 rain makers, 38 lighting, and the 41 thunderer are all the same size. The frame is the same size as a 49 pockets frame. The birds head grip on the 1877 will fit on a 49 pocket. Screws dont line up, but it's the right size. So, the best way to think of the 1877s. a 49 pocket with a top strap that's double action in 41 colt. I use my thunderer as my concealed carry most of the time.
.41 LC was a cool round! My grandpa told me that, while he was growing up during the Depression, his dad had one. Might not have been an 1877, maybe a New Army or New Police. He said it was a very flat shooting cartridge, and they even used it on small game. But yeah, swapping out cylinders is an inventive way to get that 1877 into action quickly. Seems to work pretty well!
Thanks for sharing. I love hearing family stories about firearms. The depression era definitely made for some Tough people. I have been shooting 41 colt through it as well. I find myself using the 38 just because i have so much more ammo.
Very cool Snapper!
Thanks gray
41 colt bullets can be had at old west bullet moulds 41 cal hollow base 200 gr. Cast
Thanks. I have picked up a mold Since making this video. But i definitely will check them out
I need to find a thunderer style grip frame for my uberti 1873 cattleman. they look awesome
They do. I have a friend that had a Cimarron saa with the 1877 DA grip and it was nice and handy.
Good job snapper nice little gun
Thanks brother. I really love these that are really fun guns
@@snappers_antique_firearms I may have to acquire one someday
@@A.R.American1 i think you might like it. Its hard to tell on camera but its a small gun. About 75% the size of the SAA
@@snappers_antique_firearms looks cool definitely on the list of gonna get
Awesome video Snapper, I may take you up on that comment below asking for a little help getting one running haha
Thanks. If you need help with anything hit me up. I am not running a business so i am only helping. But i will help as much as i can
I’ve had a 1902 Lightning for about 30 years. I’d love it if you could tell us what springs you used to strengthen your Colt. My half cock doesn’t work, but the single and DA does. You were the first person I’ve come across that understood that this gun could be upgraded and used as a non-fragile shooter.
Thanks for stopping by. This is very hard to explain over a comment, but I will try. So I dont believe that this gun is fragile. Being who owned and trusted these guns with their lives . Billy the kid, doc holiday, and john wesley Harden. They absolutely loved there 1877s DAs. Especially John wesley Harden. He would draw and dry fire every day. A lady once said it sounded like he was using a typewriter all night... so I think the problem came when the guns aged. The spings must have become Brittle, or more likely, corrosion. being the Springs are short and under quit a bit of flex and load. Any tiny corrosion on these springs would cause a weak point, Causing the Springs to fail. So all I do is just replace the original springs with new ones. Out of the many 1877s i have replaced the springs in. all have been quite reliable. Also the rumors of this gun being extremely hard to work on is Nonsense. Once you have an understanding what each part does and how it works and interacts with other parts, it's extremely simple. your gun not going into 1/2 cock. Sounds like one of a few things. So the sear is a separate Floating piece. that is just pressed with a spring into the hammer notches. It's a 2 pronged spring that controls the cylinder bolt as well. So if that spring is weak, broken, or cracked, it can't push the sear enough to reach the sear notches on the hammer. Being it still works in single action, tells me this is probably not the problem. Another thing that can Cause this. Is the free Floating sear itself being broken or worn out. But like before, being you get single action, its possible but not likely. what it sounds like to me is that the 1/2 notch on the hammer is worn or deformed somehow. The sear can't catch it or hold it. If it's extremely worn just replace the hammer. If not The 1/2 notch on the hammer is easy to fix. Just get a Needle file. And Deepen the 1/2 notch until it catches. Just do your best to maintain the original angle on the 1/2 notch. If you decide to shoot it all the time. I would recommend re case hardening the hammer. Or to just buy a new hammer. They were originally case hardened, so if you get past the area that was hardened, the metal will be soft and can wear much Quicker.. You can case harden the hammer easily at home. By using products like cherry red case Hardening material. You can also use just charcoal. Many videos on RUclips on how to do that. I hope any of this information you find helpful. If you have any questions, please feel free to hit me up. I can even make private videos explaining this using my revolver if you need any help.
Very nice pistol 😎👊🇺🇸.had to watch it twice 😁
Thanks skunk!! haven't seen any videos of you lately
@@snappers_antique_firearms Skunk Works Rifle 2, new channel 👍
@@SkunkWorksRifle i will check it out
@@snappers_antique_firearms thanks 👍
You’re lucky it didn’t explode your gun! 😉
I live Dangerously😁. Not only do i run at the pool after being told to walk.... i dont even wait 30 mins after eating before i go swimming.😎
@@snappers_antique_firearms you’re such a rebel.
Just found this friend. NICE!! that is a fine piece. and a good presentation. btw WHAT THE HECK does Blackie make it from? I bought a tub and it JUST WORKS!!!
Truthfully brother i dont know what is in it. The only thing i can think of he must have sold his soul to the devil. That stuff is PFM....pure f*cking Magic
@@snappers_antique_firearms yep
Awesome
Thanks
Are you reloading them or found a seller?
Here’s a thought on the accuracy situation. The bore diameters on these was originally .406-.410 (not .386). In the 1890s, they went to a hollow base bullet at .386, but the Thunderer bore diameter was still in the true 41 range. As you described in your other video, those .386s had a Minié ball-style hollow base in order to make sure the inside lubricated bullets would engage the rifling. That means that the skirts in your .357 hollow base bullets are having to expand about .050” (.410” - .357”) not the .029” you listed (.386”- .357”) on the earlier video. That’s a much bigger ask, and that could be why the accuracy suffered. I just got one of these guns myself, and I got the .386 bullets. I’ll be curious to see how they work. I’m also planning on slugging the bore. Thanks for making these videos. It’s nice to see Siemens else putting one of these back in action.
Thank you for the comment. I never thought to think of the 41 colt size change from heel base to inside lubricated. It's obvious this would be the case. But it never crossed my mind. Thank you. I just went off load data. I have shot the .357 bullets a few more times, the accuracy has gotten better. It's acceptable out to twenty yards but nothing to write home about. I will slug my bore soon. I should have done it a long time ago. Thank you again. What year is your 1877 DA made in.
Hi Snapper, glad that this helps. Mine is from 5he last year of production, 1909. In fact, it has the Colt VP proof that they started using 1905-ish to indicate guns were proofed for smokeless. I’m still a little skeptical about that, though. I got some dies and the hollow base bullets, but I’ve only managed to put my hands on 18 pieces of brass, enough to fire 3 whole cylinders! Keep up the good work.
@patwelsh5561 I have never seen a later 1877 that was proofed for smokeless powder. It's pretty cool that you have one. When it comes to hollow base bullets. Being the Molds are crazy expensive. I have found that you can drill out the base of a normal bullet, and it works great. I put the bullet in a collet on my lathe. I use a 1 inch spade bit. The center v point on the spade bit is what I use. It drills out a cone shape that works perfectly. I put in hard stops so they all drill to the same depth. I have had no issues doing this. When I shoot them out of my 51 navy Conversion. i can hold tight groups.
Good suggestion, Snapper. Thank you.
We not gunna talk about 2:42. For science!
😁 someone might have forgotten to tighten the hammer spring tension screw. So it was having really light hammer strikes.
@@snappers_antique_firearms Thank you! Your last videos were talking about reliability and stuff! WAS LIKE WE MUST KNOW!?! excellent videos btw
@Horologist-zu5vq thanks!! Other than this, the gun has been flawless. I really believe that these 1877s are very reliable if you just put new springs in them. The trigger return spring is a very short leaf spring under a lot of flex and load. If there's any corrosion or pitting, it creates a weak spot, leading to failure. I have worked on quite a few 1877s. After replacing the springs, all are still running great.
Try out some hollow base wad cutters. You might get better rifling engagement. The hollow base on those soft lead rounds make them act like a Minie ball
Thanks i have been trying to find a good source for them as bullets for reloading. Being this gun is not proofed for smokeless powder. It has to be loaded with black powder. black powder cartridges are rare and very expensive. Since I all make my own black powder it's very cheap to reload
@@snappers_antique_firearms I believe Brownells has some of those projectiles in stock
@@thetman0068 thanks i will definitely take a look. Thanks again I really appreciate it
Sometimes when making a range video without a cameraman it is easy to focus on the camera instead of the firearm. That is one of the reasons I don't like making range videos.
Yeah its a pain in the butt. I need to figure out a better way. If only my buddy squib load was down to help.😁
Got one awesome 😊
Congrats, you will love it
Look it's snapper harden lol
The slowest gun west of the Mississippi😂
Hey snafu I have a video already where I shot 10 rounds of the 72-150 Mukwa express in one day. The only thing that hurt is my left index finger. I tell you why in the video. The last two shots was fired by two young fellas
I will check it out. Thanks for letting me know.
@@snappers_antique_firearms we'll talk about it then
@@snappers_antique_firearms two shooting videos the longest is the best, the shortest catches mis edit footage of the 150 gr charge
Does it take Glock mags??? That double action.......SWEET!
- only the magazines with the orange followers.
Our in luck!! all colt revolvers take glock mags. If you buy a colt with this limited time offer. you get a second glock mag free!!! Even better yet if you buy in the next 30 mins colt will double the offer.
Hey snafu, do you have access to a CNC machine?
I do not i used to have one
Why they werent more popular ?
They were fairly popular for what they were, a medium-sized pocket pistol. They seem larger in pictures and video, but they are fairly small about 75% the size of your standard revolver of the era. Great for self Defense against people, but not Against anything larger. So people living more on the frontier wanted larger and simpler.
hey brotha, i am a new sub for ya here , i am a u.s. marine vet here 93' to 97' active ! , only have email here , would love to talk more n godspeed to our beloved 2A, thanks n talk soon > tom !
Are you in New Mexico?
No i am in southern Nevada
Where did you get the springs?
A online store called jake first gun parts. Also lodgewood manufacturing. If you just type in colt 1877 springs on Google it will pop up. Hope this helps.
Did you reload the ammo for that?
Yes i do. Specialty ammo like blackpowder loaded cartridges and rare ammo. its just easier and way cheaper to load them yourself.
Someone has to price theses
@@mariaSandoval-gh2pi do you mean how much these normally cost? If so around $1000 to $3500 depending on condition. Some can be much higher for being cased or engraved.
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Remember it's a double action
😂 truth is i was thinking of filming my shots in just single action!!
Single actions are cool too👉
Why spin the cylinder before loading?No need.Hard on the gun.
Truthfully no idea why i spin the cylinder. That sound is just a hardened metal hand that's spring-loaded interacting with a gear in the back of the cylinder. Properly maintained and lubricated that clicking can happen almost indefinitely without wear. i am not just saying that without knowledge. i am a mechanical engineer. Most things that wear out are because of lack of maintenance or flaws in parts like heat treatment not being correct. this gun has thousands upon thousands of rounds put through it since it was made in 1891. With almost no wear on its parts. I have worked on colts as a hobby for a long time. So if something wears out or breaks its not hard to fix or get parts for. Thanks for stopping by.
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Hey Justin i promise i will make that disassembly video for you. Its going to have to be a while though. I am in Arizona for the next few weeks. When i get home i will film it.
The cylinder just drops in there?
I went back and watched the first video again:
38 special through a firearm chambered in 41 colt. How and why
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Yep it just dropped right in. Unfortunately the 38 cylinder i bought was in bad shape. so i had to reshape the bolt notches. But it normally would drop right in and be timed. I wish when you were down we would have shot it. I was just worried and even though i knew it would be fine. i wanted to test it before putting anyone at any risk.
@@snappers_antique_firearms won't be back that way for a while unfortunately.
@@bittertaxpayer74 i know but next time i am sure there will be lots more guns to shoot
Single Action Better
Yes it is! I have 3 early first gen SAAs they are my favorite guns of all time
Nice shooting with those pathetic “sights”.
They are hard to see that's for sure. Thanks for stopping by
Very cool revolver.
Thanks brother hope all is well