Lost Places: PLATTERHOF & SS-BUNKERSYSTEM on the Obersalzberg with Ing. Dr. JOSEF PRETZL
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- After long researches, in 1990, the former construction manager of the SS- and Platterhof bunkers on the Obersalzberg (Bavaria), Josef Pretzl, could be located.
The 85-year-old engineer returned for the last time to the place he had left in 1945 and descended into the depths of the catacombs of the Platterhof bunker on the Obersalzberg together with the camera team.
Josef Pretzl experiences the inspection of his former workplace like a time travel into the past and in his interview he gives valuable hints for the further exploration of the Platterhof bunker and the SS tunnel system.
On the basis of these important information the research team was able to succesed a complete inspection of the two bunker systems, which are published for the first time in this documentation.
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I don't know why they said they had a hard time finding the bunker under the Platterhof. I had a friend who worked there when it was the General Walker Hotel. She told me she had a secret key where we could get into the bunker. This was around 1990. I wish I could have told those guys that the entrance was inside a janitor closet right inside the restaurant! It was right there almost in plain view! People walked all around that door and had no idea that it was the entrance to the bunker! We opened that closet door, walked past some mops and brooms and to another door in the back and when we opened it, there right in front of us was this GIANT staircase that seemed like it went endlessly down into the ground. So deep, it was almost dizzying! Once we got at the bottom we could walk and walk. We saw old beds, furniture, and other odds and ends. Also, saw the two generators they talked about. We explored all we could and ended up at a door that was sealed. She told us that it was locked permanently so that no one could go across over to Hitler's bunker. It was fascinating. Me and my two daughters, ages 11 and 12 did this. I've been going to Obersalzburg since 1968 when I was first stationed there. I've walked all over these pieces of history. I once spent the night all alone in the Hof that was owned by Borman, just down the hill from the Berghof. It was US property at the time and I managed to get the key to it. All of that stuff has been torn down and demolished. I hated it. So much history lost! I'm not so sold on the locals in Berchtesgaden not wanting any 'shrines' built for Hitler memories or for meetings. I think they just didn't want to take on any financial obligations once the US gave the property back. Too lazy to safeguard it and use for posterity. That new hotel built to replace the Platterhof is one of the UGLIEST things I've ever seen in my life!!!! Just hideous and does not belong in such a scenic place!!!
nice, must have been awesome .. thanks for sharing
That’s amazing! I bet I walked past that closet door many times myself and never noticed it!
What janitor closet in particular lol would be interesting to know
@@westoncampbell1268 I already stated it was inside the restaurant and not far from the front desk. I should have said it was more like a supply closet. And, by the way, that dead end door? Behind it was "fill dirt with rocks and bricks. If you could have got past that, you would end up in the bunker running under the Hotel Turkheim and a connection to the bunker to Hitler's house. I went to the Hotel Turkheim and walked down through some of the short bunker there, which led to the fill material blocking that door I mentioned. It was sealed on both sides, with that fill dirt material between them.
My grandfather brought my uncle and dad to america after the war, but I would have very much liked to go and see some of these dark historic sites....
The Platterhof Hotel should have been listed to be saved for future generations to admire. The architecture was superb!
Thats what happens when a minority group complains moans whinges and write movies about everything to get their way. They destroyed important reminders of history. In some countries like my own they make it illegal to even own nazi memrobiliia. im in australia. how fkin far disconnected is that from the holocaust and germany.... riddiculous.
Also the other buildings. The demolition of the Berghof and others was just victor's spite.
In 1987 I with a few other paratroopers locked ourselves in the bunker system after a US Army tour. We knew that we would have to spend the night there until the next daily tour. We had done a lot of research and knew that the elevator shaft was the best way to the lower levels. We had 23 hours to really explore down there. We also used a roller ladders and rappelling ropes. We too had to pry open the iron door. We too found an entrance that in those days you could see behind the Zum Türken. It was too hard too open from in or outside. It is buried now.
Whereabouts was that?
“Paratrooper.” Press ❌ to doubt. You might have be stupid enough to break German law, but I doubt your peers were. Also, then, as now, you don’t just roll up & park. And you would have immediately been missed on one of several bases, none of them close by.
Is your life so sad that writing fiction in RUclips comments is your only joy?
@@drubber007The depths of his right brain. 0 chance that happened.
@@RaceBanner_ That's a bit harsh. What makes you say that? Seems a bit odd to just make something up like that.
We stayed at the general Walker One week before it’s permanent closure. It was amazing to see all the things that they had in the hotel, such as a lot of the Alpine art. On the back of some of the Alpine art paintings were swastikas, which were crossed off by the US Army in 1945.
In the late 70’s my wife and I stayed at the General Walker two times. When you first checked into the hotel they would give you a map of the hotel bunker system which was accessed via a door on the ground floor. We spent hours each trip exploring the bunker system. The hotel at that time was an R&R hotel for the military. I was a USAF Captain at the time stationed in Germany.
I stayed at The Gen Walker/Platterhof in 1993. There were tours at the time to enter the tunnel system for tours. Very intriguing, and I had a heavy feeling on me during the tour. I also went into the SS building and took some photos of the bomb damage. It is a shame it is all gone now. What a grand hotel and a pleasant experience. My love for Bergdasgarden grew from that experience.
right, i hear ya, just trying to imagine how they planned, built and used those bunker systems
@@ronr.53400 m
Hey do you maybe like the maginot line ?
I do have documentations of WW2 maginot bunkers :)
My wife, young son and I had lunch in the hotel in May 1991. We stayed 5 days bed and breakfast at the former home of Albert Speer just up the road from the hotel and the Berghof...
This is history! The most I have ever seen of the bunkers.
I stayed in the General Walker hotel in the 70's. I got a tour of part of the underground bunker system. At one end was a shaft going down to lower levels. I always wondered what was down there. Now I know.
Stayed at a guesthouse up hill from the General Walker Hotel on a two week ski holiday 1970. Their were slap dance shows at the hotel. One of the most beautiful places on earth.
right, it was a resort hotel before the nazis took it over, so there ya go
That was the farm Hof Martin Bormann had built to raise food products to be served at the Berghof and by other underlings living close by, mostly to ensure Hitler wouldn't be poisoned. The US turned that Hof into a small hotel and the ski lodge was an attached wing. The ski lodge was once a stable for the farm animals. That place also was used as a golf facility during the summer months. I stayed there several times.
We stayed at the Platterhof in the '80s a couple times. I brought an After the Battle magazine covering the area and remember exploring the remains of a theater in the woods across from the hotel.
I love that interview with the architect of the bunkers . My imagination goes wild he designed that and being interviewed in 1991 is I love it
As many others here, I stayed in the General Walker Hotel (Platterhoff) and went into the bunker system. I went in the early 70's and some of the SS Barracks were still standing. They were a bombed out shell, nothing very interesting there. But I always wondered what was down that shaft. And now I know. Thanks for that.
That was the employee housing for Platterhof workers. We sort of used it as a covered parking area. Pretty much everything up there was destroyed in the mid 90s. THe "Skyline Room" remains as a restaurant/kiosk area.
Awesome story that is astounding!!
These bunkers are the so called third stage/level bunkers. The Germans knew that the Allies were developing bigger and bigger bombs so they dug bunkers in the area deeper and deeper to allow for this. Did you know though, that there were plans for a tunnel to lead from Obersalzberg all the way down to Bertesgaden so cars could drive up and down the mountain without being seen or caught out in the open. They started the works but like a lot of things they were never finished.
Thanks for the info.
devious 😏
Very interesting!!😎🇬🇧
Fascinating
Yes, a little distance away from the train station (facing it) go left down the street and you can see the one time opening to the tunnel that was to go all the way up to the Berghof. They didn't get very far and it is now closed up.
Amazing video, crazy how much tunnels the Germans made, such hard work. Thanks for sharing!
Massive ass tunnels imagine a bomb destroying the entrances and being alive down there with no where to go just humidity and panic
It’s great to see it again after I took a tour of it in 1986. Learned more of its history, enjoyed it very much.
What a thrill it must have been to be the first there. It’s history and glad no looters had got in. Amazing to find lamps and other bits there. Awesome. Part of infamous history.Built then by the best. Way advanced in construction and engineering
23.01 those poor cameramen waiting 70yrs for someone to open the door,”Anyone got a cold beer”
I also noticed that and said to myself: wtf
They are not telling us the whole story. It apparently was filmed by SS zombies who had remained there from 1945. They had advanced video equipment that matched their VHS crap cameras of the 90s. And yes they were pretty friendly as noone seems to have been killed there.
Growing up in the 90’ies and traveling to the area in the winter we stayed at a small hotel that was family owned before the war and then after the war. The hotel is still in use and it was directly behind the Berghoff. Our room looked out directly out on it. The Hotel Zum Tucker. This was SS officer quarters. What this video did not touch on is that THIS HOTEL HAD DIRECT ACCESS TO THE BUNKER COMPLEX.
We got to know the staff and asked for any information. They were happy to provide a map showing this tunnel system but the fact that they extended out to Bormans, Gerbils, Gorings private homes.
These tunnels were amazing and I don’t know why this video did not touch on them
ਬਹੁਤ ਬਹੁਤ ਵਧੀਆ ਲੱਗਿਆ ਤੁਹਾਡਾ ਚੈਨਲ ਵੀਰੇ ਦੂਜੇ ਵਿਸ਼ਵ ਯੁੱਧ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਬੰਕਰ ਅਤੇ ਸੁਰੰਗਾਂ ਬਣਾਈਆਂ ਗਈਆਂ ਵੀਡੀਓ ਸ਼ੇਅਰ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਧੰਨਵਾਦ ਜੀ।
That was a great find. As the years go by and more searches are done you will find more secrets and tunnels buried. I hope you continue the search and film all the finds you dig up.
Excellent job.
Great footage. Excellent presentation. We had considered rappeling down the large, "elevator shaft" several times. Never did it due to all the unstable wood hangin from the walls, (staircase remnants). We did find an interesting service tunnel from the Platterhof to the Gift Shop/Post Office across the street.
@sandua51 Are you sure about that service tunnel? I've never heard of that and I've read widely about the area. Did you actually see it? What can you tell us about it? Is it high enough to walk in? Where are/were the openings? Thanks in advance.
@@CraigCanberra Yes. You had to rope down from my "office" widow, (which was underground behind the disco. My widow had a light shaft even though it did not open to the surface. There were built in steel rungs in the wall but they were mostly rotted away. I think it was a mechanical chase for heating electric etc, but it was big enough to walk through. I spent a lot of time in and around the bunkers on the Obersalzberg and at Stangass. Even got to go to the Berghof side with some local officials once. There is an entrance in the woods off of the Salzbergstrasse, Almost 25 years ago - not sure if I could find it today.
@@sandua51 Then, you really have a first hand experience of being right there and working in the buildings. Awesome! The old post office was gone when I went back in the 1990's. I HATED all this change and then the destruction of the buildings. Soldiers today should be able to go there for R&R or like I did, space available, and LEARN some serious history! Today's generation will soon know nothing of WW2.
Fantastic video
Stayed at the Platterhof many times when it was the General Walker Hotel
Me too. Got to tour the bunker system. Dad and I liberated a brick from the Berghof.
Wonderful. I love your documentaries. I have become a PATREON. An investment in historical education. Great work guys. Thanks
Amazing!! Thank you so much for uploading this.
I can't wait to visit the Obersalzberg once Covid has calmed down.
I look forward to your future uploads.
Many thanks
Paul (UK)
@Mr PSB It's an amazing area with beautiful scenery. Eagles Nest is well worth the visit. I'd also recommend a visit to "Wolfsschanze" (Wolf Lair) Hitlers above ground bunker compound where the failed bomb plot by Von Stauffenberg took place. wilczyszaniec.olsztyn.lasy.gov.pl/
(UK here too.......and also Paul!)
@@Bulletguy07 thanks for the message. The Wolf's Lair is definitely on my list. I saw a fascinating documentary on it earlier this year. Couldn't believe how much concrete they used on the structures. 😲🤯
I guess the cameraman was pretty happy that you finally freed him after almost 50 years ;-)
Did he just toss that carbide lamp? Save it man!
I noticed that too. For people wanting to see history, they were pretty rough on the artifacts they found, disappointing
@@benfoot4212 Yeah, they where very indifferent. But hey! what do you expect from some office workers on a day out...
Amazing how much work was involved to secure their war plan , very interesting , good history , shame it had to be closed off.
yeah, all that work, they were serious
In the early and mid 80s I went down into the Platterhof/Hotel Gen Walker bunker system. We stayed there several times. There was a tour given by a local man in the hotel. It was quite interesting. I was very sad when Bavaria decided to destroy the Hotel, but I understand why!
Great memories of staying there. Berchtesgaden/OberSalzberg is such a beautiful area!
My father was stationed in Germany from the mid 70s to mid 80s. We went to the Gen Walker every summer for vacation and played golf on the hill top. Its sad to know the General Walker is gone.
@@DBh0trains I know. Great place to vacation. I love Berchtesgaden. Last time I was there was when I was active duty AF. My friend and I stayed there for a week while we traveled every day up to München for Oktoberfest! Don't ever do that. We were sick for a week after lol
@@michae8jackson378 I went back with my family when I was stationed in Germany with the Army. Was disappointed that it was gone. My family loved the whole area. We stayed in a ZImmer Frei place and it was so great. My son was fascinated with the WWII history part. Can't wait to go there again on vacation!
Why was the hotel demolished?
@@Tanneritefilledfido the US govt gave it back to German govt, Bavarian govt. they determined that they didn’t want any reminder of Nazi history for some to go there, Neo Nazis, and celebrate Hitler and Nazism!
Now this is history??? and much better than history channel by far , thanks for sharing your time to share this vedieo, like to see more?? This should be seen and the finds,shared with the world and never forgotten??? It all count's, think about it people????( Preserving it all )
This channel is incredible! So glad I found it!
These are amazing films! Thank you for your hard work.
Fantastic informative guide to the depths of the tunnel system. I really enjoyed watching many thanks.
I’m so glad I found this series and subscribed. So informative .
Excellent video with fascinating film footage and good ,clear narration.....first class .
Thanks for sharing a fascinating documentary and some insight into the hidden tunnels. It's bitter-sweet to see places like this given the evil men that built it.
The depth is interesting, perhaps they realized by 1945 that the US was developing nuclear weapons? The amazing thing is the timing of the end of the war, if the Germans held out against the Soviets and the allies a few more months, there is no doubt the US would have used nuclear weapons, perhaps they were building this for that event. Just 3 months after hitler bit the bullet, nukes dropped on Japan. By 1948 the US had 50 nukes and by 1950 the US had 300. The end of WW2 could have been horrendous in death count if Germany held out longer, it really ended just in time to save Germany from an even worse fate.
Rumor or truth? Heard the US was in a race with Germany at that time in bomb building. Germany was working on a hydrogen bomb. If accomplished, what parts of the world would Hitler have sought to use them? He was talking world domination. Things were bad enough but could have been alot worse with the Nazi's. First time we allied with Soviet Union because Hitler invaded them too.
Fabulous discovery and incredibly fascinating research 👍 Thank you for sharing 👏
For those who stayed at the platterhof /general walker hotel before it got torn down, do you recall that old dilapidated guest house located not too far from the hotel? It looked like it was bombed, but the debris was never cleared and the house remained mostly intact, except for the roof caving in.I still have a few pictures of it. I think it may have been a place where Mussolini stayed a few times but I’m not sure. Any ideas?
Yes it was. Chamberlin stayed there too.The total destruction of the Platterhof goes beyond shameful. The germans lost billions of tourist $$$. Idiots. I was there in '81.
Mussolini never came to Berchstegaden.
I remember it well. Walked all under the overhang and explored it. It was a guest house for VIP's. I can't recall who stayed there, but famous people for sure.
Nice video. I remember visiting Obersalzberg in 1955 when I was in High School and entering an underground bunker there. I don't know which bunker it was but I do remember that the entrance was in a large concrete pad where a building had once stood. There were concrete steps leading down to a landing where, on the concrete wall facing the steps, were gun ports. Off the landing at a 90 degree angle were more steps leading to a concrete corridor with rooms leading off the corridor. The walls of each room were pock-marked by bullet marks where a soldier had fired a submachine gun into the open door before entering the room. I don't remember how far the corridor ran or if it was blocked. I wish I had taken pictures! Do you know which bunker this might have been? I did take pictures of Adlerhorst, though.
Bullets marks?
There has not been any fights. Nor the 101th Airborne, nor the 2nd DB who went to invest Berchstegaden, the complex and the Eagle Nest had to use guns. My grandfather went there (2nd French DB), just few hours after 101th Airborne.
No more Liebstandarte Waffen ss, just maiden and servers. No way to fight them...
@@declissonolivier9376 Where ever it was, it was as I described it.
This is very interresting video ! thank you very much for sharing with us this video !
Best channel I've sub to that's about ww11 history! Well except Mark Felton he's by far the best in my opinion!
Agree. Dr Felton rocks.
Can’t nobody fuck with @markfelton he’s hands down the best on RUclips
@@SGTDuckButter Felton has NONE of these original recordings , BEGAFILM is THE BEST! at archilogical bunkers.!
Mark Felton's many historical inaccuracies go by mostly unnoticed, unfortunately. While his videos are highly entertaining, well-narrated and often on point, he isn't shy of fabrication and plagiarism too in what I'd call a regular video mill. This is not to purely discredit his work, but these points have reasonably been made.
Another point is that Felton doesn't care about sharing information about his source material.
Only the best would adhere to a stricter research etiquette based on the sharing of source information. Of course, I must stress that this is not Felton's lack alone, and believe RUclips in general would benefit from promoting a kind of editorial code of self-conduct based on the sharing of said resource information to ensure research of the highest quality - cross-referentiality and due credit made possible.
Agree
This brings back memories
Love those 1990's sweaters that EVERYBODY wore.
Top video, wish I was exploring down there
Absolutely amazing footage
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for this upload!
I was holding my breath a few times watching this!!
Man you're Content and you're narration are Top Notch brother ❤✌ I hope you get more subscribers 🙏
'Your' Content & 'Your' Narration - not 'YOU ARE' each time - learn English.
@@davidwall7747 how applicable, a grammar nazi. Not everybody in this world is a native English speaker. And English is not the easiest language to write. Google for Ghoti for instance.
Thanks for the video very interesting and informative article learned from it. What other people have written has been very interesting to!!😎🇬🇧
Absolutely fascinating thanks. @22:11 if you play the video at 0.25 speed you can see someone peeking on the right hand side of the screen, is it a member of the team, film crew or something else 🤔
Forreal what was that
Thats scary
Another Phenomenal And Well Put Together Video All The Best To Team.
I sure would have loved to amongst the first to explore the tunnel system post WWII. I have been in the bunker complex since but as the narrator mentions, there is nothing to see other than a bunch of empty rooms. A very cool experience nonetheless
When we lived in Germany we were taught that most of the tunnels etc. were flooded to prevent anyone from entering.
When I lived in Germany (early 70's) we used to have parties in the bunkers and tunnels. Great fun !
@@donovan2913 Would have loved to have attended, hell i would have even bought the beer!!!
@@donovan2913 brilliant
awesume vid. answers many questions about this mystry
Really cool documentary. I dont take time to thumbs up much....you get one though👍
Amazing, simply Amazing
WOW
I have some scepticism to everything being so cleaned out in these bunkers.
Yeah. There’s nothing left! No flags, wall paintings,nothing!
Exactly. Does anyone believe there were no maps, flags, personal writing, etc..
remember, we are living in a time when the puppet masters are rewriting history that we already know about. Imagine what they are doing with the history we don't know about???
It was definitely too clean and obviously politically correct. What a shame.
Most every place was raided and looted under Allied occupation. In another video, local farmers and residents looted materials to rebuild and reinforce their own homes.
@@xXNitemareXx not only was it raided and things were stolen, lots of nazis would destroy things and remove them to show no evidence they were even there. Hence why you see parts of concentration camps blown up. They tried to destroy them to hide the evidence. Probably why people say the holocaust didn’t happen
Weird how all that gold and art is missing 🤣
Love the history of this past war buildings
Fascinating!
Fascinating stuff, thank you for sharing. 👍
At the 12:40 mark I was on that stair well in the early 1980's. I wish they had saved the old Platterhof (General Walker Hotel)
Very cool episode
Super intresting, so sad no nazi secrets were found. There are so many things still missing. I wish they will the gold train someday
I'm sure that train was found already a long time ago . It's just not public knowledge , think about it.... If they made it public knowledge then "they" wouldn't be able to keep ALL the gold because it would go toward victim's of ww2!
Be great if they found a bunch of stuff. Anything is really valuable!
Thank you ,fascinating .
Great video guys
Right behind the blocked entrance was 1 billion dollars in gold bars….
Awesome post! Thanks
This was filmed in 1999? And I understand all of these Vaults have been filled up now?
5:20
Is it just me or does that look like where they filmed the "Bear Jew" scene in Inglorious Basterds???
Without a doubt that was the spot. If I hadn’t read the comments section first I’d have immediately recognized it.
@@85Gute it looks just like that but I'm pretty sure there were 3 tunnels or entrances in the movie instead of just one, idk I'm not sure I think it is though
I wondered too where they filmed that scene, I always thought it was a drainage system, Ironic to film that scene at the bunkers,
Donnie, got a German here who wants to die for country, OBLIGE him,
What a lovely place, were a lovely couple used to live!!
@Alejandro B its called sarcasm, i dont like any extreme cults
None of those should've been destroyed!
I got to the door of this place in November '92, but geshloshed Deinstag. It wa closed.
Its such a shame so many important pieces of history have been wiped from existance. We should be treasuring these places, not to celebrate the people and things that happen. but their very existance is a stark reminder of war. forewarning and educating future generations.
Count me in for future explorations :)
Amazing
New to your channel and I absolutely love it, subscribed!
Thank you so much...❣️
I wish I could explore that place
22:45 can you imagine if when they opened that door it was full of unused weapons, uniforms etc.
I can't help but wonder what might lie just beneath those concretions on the floor..
hey, seeing the view from the eagles nest .. ya gotta think ol hitler might have did some surveying of those mountains and made other bug out locations eh? 😏
That was very interesting
Yes! finally something about this that's different.
Second Ep:
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Best government ever created. Love the real Germany
Well that's a swiz on the other docu u tell us these bunkers are the road thru mountain. Which is it?
need our American mine explorers to repel down shaft, and explore tunnels
Als sie die verlassenen Tunnel zum ersten Mal entdeckten, fanden sie 66 Fässer mit faulen Zwiebeln aus dem Jahr 1944
With the exception of Mexican engineering, nothing tops the engineering skills of the Germans.
Is this the film star Robert Taylor's voice!.
Why'd ya drop that old carbide lamp?!? I'd love to have and use that here. Aren't you glad the Germans weren't like the Japanese in leaving behind poisonous and/or explosive boobytraps? I would've bought that carbide lamp from you. I love old tech and am sad to see things like that discarded.
Phew... Luckily the commercials only sound 3x louder than the narration...💥
The bombing of the Berghof and the SS barracks etc. etc. by the RAF was an act of gross stupidity and destroyed examples of superb 1930s architecture that should have been saved for future generations to admire. Why demolish the Platterhof Hotel?
Like Howard Carter Going Into King Tuts Tomb
You would have thought it would have been highly protected
Anyone else notice the lack of boots or work clothes...it looks like they stepped off the tennis court.
I'm surprised there is little trace of anything in there. No helmets, no weapons, no bottles, no old canteens, nothing to indicate anyone was really there.
What the hell is a 'Lancast' bomber?
A British plane.
Lancaster bombers were British made. The Brits were trying to bomb the Eagles Nest (the Kehlstein Tea House) but the clouds obscured their main target. The Brits bombed the secondary targets instead.
An unknown plane that dropped '1,200 ton bombs'. Must have been big.
Be crazy if a bunch of old SS guards came charging out, unaware of what had happened and began shouting.