The Best Speech Cut From Game of Thrones
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- Hello everyone! Today I'm going over Septon Meribald's Broken Man speech from A Feast for Crows - the best speech from #asongoficeandfire cut from Game of Thrones.
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Brother Ray's speech from the DVD extras: • The War of the Ninepen...
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00:00 Omissions
00:48 Setting Context
02:01 A Wondering Septon
02:47 The Broken Man Speech
06:03 Horrors of War
06:49 Wasted Potential
07:55 What We GoT
09:06 My History with This Episode
10:04 Breaking News
10:22 Conclusions 
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The War of the Ninepenny Kings?”
“So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was a war though, that it was.” my favorite part of it
Such a good line
We were at the verge of greatness, we were this close. Hearing that they actually filmed the speech is shocking.
I think it made me even angrier
@@QuinnTheGM And rightfully so.
I'm incredibly angry to know that they filmed that speech but never used it. That only serves as further proof that D&D had no idea what the story was actually about.
from the beginning you all should have known that. The moment Jeyne Poole disappeared from the story, you should have known.@@thing_under_the_stairs
does anyone know of a way to see it?
"The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends," Ser Jorah told her. "It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace." He gave a shrug. "They never are."
This exchange is from when Dany asks Jorah if the smallfolk are secret Targaryen supporters.
Says the guy who sold common people into slavery for hunting on a huge island almost completely covered in forest. (In summer too, not even the meagre depths of winter.) All because he was the high lord of it by an accident of birth, couldn't share even a few animals from it, & had idiotically got himself into deep debt.
And eventually goes on to advise the best way to profit from selling thousands of common people into slavery - in service to a nomad king whose barely teenage royal wife he desires - for the purpose of funding an invasion of his home country to place the child princess on the throne, that would've resulted in the brutal deaths of untold thousands of commoners. Yet he had also been spying on the girl & her late brother for the reigning king back home, just so that he could get a pardon for his original slaving, in case the nomad invasion didn't eventuate.
Yep, that guy.
'The north remembers, Ser Davos, and the mummer's farce is almost done... My son is home..." another amazing speech removed from the show
Ah, the Manderlys..another house ignored by d&d..
I can recite Wymans speech word for word on demand
She narrowed her eyes. “What is our heart’s desire?”
“Vengeance.” His voice was soft, as if he were afraid that someone might be listening. “Justice.” Prince Doran pressed the onyx dragon into her palm with his swollen, gouty fingers, and whispered, “Fire and blood.”
@@8asw8 Bro don't even get me fucking started. The way they wasted an actor as great as Siddig in the role of a character who SHOULD be fucking awesome is possibly the single thing that the show did that makes me angrier than anything else. I'm getting furious just sitting here thinking about how badly they fucked up everything related to Dorne on that shitbox of a show.
That whole scene gave me chills when I first read it
So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earnt a penny. It was a war, though. That it was.
If you read Dunk and Egg before Feast like me, then the Brienne chapters were just more Dunk and Egg and it was an absolute treat to read.
The fact that Brienne is descended from Dunk makes it work on one more level.
Though westeros was a nocer place in dunks time..despite the blackfyres
Brienne might be the most improved character on reread
I never understood why some people didn't like Brienne's chapters in AFFC. They're easily the most thoughtful and contemplative chapters in the entire series.
@@50ftFrankenstein That's probably why certain readers don't like them!
Can I dwell on what I scarce remember? I held a castle on the Marches once, and there was a woman I was pledged to marry, but I could not find that castle today, nor tell you the color of that woman's hair. Who knighted me, old friend? What were my favorite foods? It all fades. Sometimes I think I was born on the bloody grass in that grove of ash, with the taste of fire in my mouth and a hole in my chest. Are you my mother, Thoros? I wish you included this from Berric in this video. Hardest line of the whole ASOIAF universe.
My favorite speech is the No Godless Man speech Euron gives to Aeron. "From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray." Bad. Ass.
"He told me that a maester's collar is made of chain to remind him that he is sworn to serve," John said, remembering. "I asked why each link was a different metal. A silver chain would look much finer with his grey robes, I said. Maester Luwin laughed. A maester forges his chain with study, he told me. The different metals are each a different kind of learning, gold for the study of money and accounts, silver for healing, iron for warcraft. And he said there were other meanings as well. The collar is supposed to remind a maester of the realm he serves, isn't that so? Lords are gold and knights steel, but two links can't make a chain. You also need silver and iron and lead, tin and copper and bronze and all the rest, and those are farmers and smiths and merchants and the like. A chain needs all sorts of metals, and a land needs all sorts of people."
I also really like Wyman Manderly and his " The North remembers" speech... It is pretty epic and I like it.
Yup. This is my favorite plot point that’s not in the show
My favourite part of the books was Sam and maester amond on the ship to oldtown, especially „egg, I had a dream that I was old“ I just remember crying in my chair the first time I read that chapter
I feel like the point of Brienne's plotline is that it's an exercise in futility, because you know from the start that she's not going to find Sansa and is constantly off track. It's thematically and conceptually rich, but it doesn't really do much for the ongoing plot aside from the development of Brienne herself, so it's not surprising that David and Dan didn't see the point of it and cut it out. From what we know their motivation to adapt ASOIAF was mainly for the Red Wedding, which is to say their focus was always on the destination while they never really understood or cared for the journey. It's part why most of the best episodes of GOT come at the end of seasons, because for everything else they got wrong, at least early on they knew where they were supposed to end up.
Yeah Brienne breaking down crying about how she’s her father only child yet she a disappointment, wishes she can go back home but vow to complete the mission for Jaime
honestly, Brienne was probably my favorite character to follow in AFFC, her chapters seemed the most realistic in a medieval sense of how without time skips, something like a track quest could take ages and probably not even conclude.
Hell hath no fury like a Quinn scorned.
It is known.
Where can we get our hands on the DVD?
It came as a surprise to me that people disliked Brienne chapters that much, i do understant the reason but it was so intersting to see how the common folk felt when their lords decided it was time to play the game of thrones, or just their mindset as a whole.
That was one the reasons i liked Dunk and Egg so much, it make us remember that the seven great houses are just a elite which don't reflect what it is to be westorosi.
"And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world...
And the man breaks."
Since this vid was about my no.1 speech, guess I'll say my 2nd favourite; Ellaria Sand's Speech in ADWD.
I love how she points out the uselessness of vengeance in the long run so much.
Was it better than her show story arc? Yes, from Drone to Beyond the Wall yes
That was a fantastic speech. It nailed another of the books' main themes beautifully, and I'd love to have seen Indira Varma deliver it onscreen. Instead, we got the mess that D&D made of the Dorne plot, the less said about which, the better.
The Watcher is a really underrated chapter
They liked Indira Varma so much they wanted to keep her in the show longer but in the process they butchered the character that it is no longer the Ellaria from the book.
@@nunyabiznes33 Agreed - Indira Varma was amazing as Ellaria Sand, but past S4, that's not who she was playing anymore.
the broken man is one of the best speeches in literature, it's a master class in writing
Great speech but Lord Manderlys “the north remembers” is by far my favorite monologue
Meribald is not a representative of the Quiet Isle. He is a wandering septon, travelling from village to village across the Riverlands where there are no septs to perform the rituals for the smallfolk. Technically he is a presentative of the Faith of the Seven.
Dan and Dave did a horrible job on the latter seasons. There is such a deep well of beautiful lines that were omitted pointlessly.
They somehow came to conclusion, that core meaning to Song of Ice and fire is carma. So they used this whole story of septon meribald as a motive for Sandor to come back to him "paying justice", to align with their presumed meaning of series
They never understood the books. They just wanted the mainstream's reaction the Red Wedding, then called it a day. I'd be surprised if the even read the books, and they didn't just read a summary online.
I actually love Aryas and Briennes wandering through the riverlands thematically, however, i feel the effects would have stronger if we had more interactions with the common folks of the riverlands BEFORE the war, to make the difference starker
*Starker?*
I see what you did there.
Quinn the GM gets me through the days i swear
Everyone says the show ran out of books, but in reality they stopped meaningfully adapting the books after ASOS. Maybe that's why I didn't hate season 8 so much, it was just more of the same stuff that was in 5,6, and 7 to me.
"If there are gods, why is the world so full of pain and injustice?"
"Because of men like you."
"There are no men like me. There's only me."
We spend much of A Storm of Swords learning what this means. The show condenses the whole thing into the bath-house speech, which contains impressive work from all concerned, but I prefer the book version because it shows Jaime's key issue: he's terribly, terribly lonely.
One of the things that killed the show is that at the end, it was a small cast of noble main characters having their drama, almost in isolation from the wider societal context. "The common people" only show up in the periphery of the story, and only in a very two dimensional way. This isn't helped by the choice to have certain characters stand in for large groups of people. Examples are Tormund with the wildlings and Greyworm with the Dothraki. In reality the leader of a large group of people always has to play political games to stay in power and deals with various factions and ambitious powerbrokers within his group. Like Robb with his generals. So the heart if the story, that these squabbles are over land with people in them who are affected by and react to what our main characters are doing, get completely lost. Apart from the appaling storytelling, this made the last seasons of GoT feel very empty, because it seemed like this was the only thing he happening and the only people existing in this world
I missed the Reed's "fire and blood" pledge to Bran at Winterfell and the subsequent harvest festival politics.
Reading about the Saltpans gave me more chills than white walkers ever did.
For me it’s easily Euron’s speech from The Iron captain. It’s the most impressive character introduction of the whole series imo. All the subtle hints dropped before the chapter and only for you to meet him and his charisma, ego and straight up insanity is shown. This guy is actually crazy and he doesn’t even try to hide it.
Really the only thing from Feast they put in was the title
And even that wasn’t until HotD episode 1!
I love and hate this speech lol.
I was trying to write a fantasy story back in the day. I'm in the military and friends of mine had been lost in Afghanistan.
One of my characters was talking about returning home from war. That was around the time I got into ASoIAF.
When I read the Broken Man passage, it was so well written that I completely stopped writing my story, as I didn't want it to sound like I was copying lol. And I knew there was no way I could make it sound even remotely as beautiful as that speech.
It's an amazing part if GRRM's world building.
Thanks for sharing this with your fans. It's definitely an inspiring and humbling passage to me.
My favorite speech was from Big Bucket Wull! “I want to bathe in the blood of Bolton!”
I don’t remember too many individual moments of dialogue but I remember that broken man dialogue, really good stuff, basically the thesis of the whole Feast for crows book
The speech made me cry when I read it.
I love GRRM's writing, I do, and I think it is quite admirable that he tries to include such perspectives that highlight the horror of war. However as a veteran, it seems to fall short or is missing a key point. I can't quite articulate what I feel is missing when he tries to showcase this but I think it is the soldier's perspective. Soldiers and warfighters in Song are usually depicted as men who have come to excel in bloodshed and their craft (often depicted as villainous or monstrous), the tragic byronic hero type who would probably spend the entire day waxing poetically about tragedy, or these broken men. I find it all too tempting to constantly compare GRRM's depiction of the horror of war with say Glen Cook's depiction in the Black Company. When doing so it is very easy to see the difference in that Glen Cook is a vet himself and because of that you get the very important distinction of the soldier's perspective who hasn't been broken by war. Instead the main character is quite comparable to Hawkeye of the old television show MASH in that yes war affects him, but it isn't a singular event. War instead is present as a constant environment constantly affecting the characters as they find ways to adapt. Glen Cook's Croaker shows that desensitizing special numbness ( for lack of a better word) that develops as a key mental attribute for a warfighter. Whereas GRRM's characters never seem to properly showcase because in Song the effects of war on the characters is always very sudden and dramatic. I think the closest may be Beric Dondarrion, but his characteristics are explained by death and resurrection instead of just slowly becoming that way through constant warfare. Granted, I've never experienced medieval warfare where the guys to your left and right are literally levied peasants who cannot read and are often quite ignorant of the world around them due to the circumstance of their birth, so maybe I'm just making a mountain out of a molehill and projecting my own experience where it is not warranted. Love the video though, and it is a damned shame this sort of thing was cut from the show. Although I will give a special shoutout to the often derided Ed Sheeran scene for showing a group of young soldiers entering late in the war who were still green and wide-eyed about the whole affair. Despite everything wrong with that scene, I did like that touch.
Ive heard there a decent presentation of war in Tolkien's work. which would make sense he was at the Somme and that was a battle if there ever was one.
I think I know a bit of what is missing for you, although I'm not a soldier. I have PTSD and C-PTSD from abuse, r@pe and car accidents. We develop an emptiness, a lost and distant way of existing. Living is done because we can't avoid it, not because we have any use for it now.
@@lesliemcmillan2971 You see, that is kinda what I hate about the current common consensus of PTSD (a term I hate with a passion) in that it is so often thought of in the collective consciousness as a defect. I disagree with this. I don't think of it as a disorder or a defect by any means. We survived trauma, whether that be war or other great stressors, and as such have developed a much finer and sharper survival instinct as an adaptation to that environment. Sure, this adaptation may not always be applicable in daily life, but I think it is a valuable adaptation nonetheless. Our prize for surviving terrible things is that we adapt to better survive terrible things should they come around again. Extra vigilance may not be necessary, but it could prove the difference between life or death in a later event whereas someone else when experiencing great stressors may freeze up from the insane levels of adrenaline we are bit more used to that adrenaline and how best to utilize it to either eliminate said stressor, protect others from said stressor, or properly survive and escape said stressor. Now perhaps my view of this is simply a defense mechanism in and of itself or perhaps it is my own naive optimism looking for a silver lining where there may be none, but it is my view. Scar tissue may look ugly, but it is often tougher and stronger than the tissue it replaces.
Thanks for making me feel old AF. I was encouraged to watch GOT in my senior year of undergrad when only season 1 existed…
you started watching the show and reading the books when I was making a bet in post soviet Georgia on whether WoW would come out in 2015…. I lost.
Hats off to you. Hope your crushing it school and don’t stress over balancing this channel and taking the bar. We’ll be waiting for you.
I was aching to see Ian McShane give this speech - oh, it would’ve been so good.
I haven't seen the show, but Jeor Mormont's many, many speeches were all very cool but specifically in the prologue for book 3
I. LOVE. The “The North Remembers” speech. I literally have a Frey Pie tattooed between those words on my leg. 💪🏻🥧
We actually got this but in a extra backstory thing they gave after the season
Funnily enough, I must have gotten into Game of Thrones at almost exactly the same age and time as you. My friend was telling me in year 10 biology class in the middle of 2016 about how good this episode of Game of Thrones called “No One” was and how awesome Arya Stark is, and it intrigued me enough to check out ASOIAF and I kind of fell off a cliff with my love for ASOIAF and GOT and this story and world in general
Aryas story already covered the way smallfolk are treated during war.
Briennes chapters should have been a novella or something.
Great vid as usual
I think the only time the show made a speech better was the whole thing with tyrion. The pacing on the show is waaay better, having more "witnesses" to testify, having more time with tyrion in the dungeon getting visitors, having jaime as one of said visitors, having jaime go talk to tywin to let tyrion be sent to the wall, having the viper be his champion an uncertain thing when he demands trial by combat (and lets admit it, trial by combat sounds way better than trial by battle), giving room in between the speech at the trial and the trial by combat. Hell, even tyrion's conversation when he is killing tywin is much better in the show (although I do think the show should have mentioned tysha). Anyway, I think tyrion's arc in season 4 in general is better done than his arc in a storm of swords, and so are his speeches.
I do think the pacing Tyrion’s trial in the book is harmed by how packed the second half of Storm is
“The War of the Ninepenny Kings?” asked Hyle Hunt.
“So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was a war, though. That it was.”
"The late Lord Haven" made me laugh lmao
Wild I literally JUST finished listening to the gigachad Roy Dotrice read this speech to me
I really need to listen to the audiobooks
@@QuinnTheGM You really should. The one and ONLY time I got upset at the wait for Winds was when I found out Roy Dotrice had died.
Puh-tire!!!
Very well laid out. Great wok man!
Amazing video!
Ned telling Bran that the only time a man can be brave is when he's afraid!! Such an impactful moment in the first chapter of the first book and they left it out until season 8 when they mangled it by turning it into an anecdote that Jon clunkily tells Dany. Dan and Dave's biggest failure.
My favorite quote in the books is definitely:
“So young. Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived he would have grown up to be a Frey.”
My favorite whole speech tho might be Euron’s godly man speech. Way he ends it is just cold af.
“You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.”
Tyrions dialogue during his Cyvase game with Faegon was pretty bad ass
Euron Greyjoy's Kingsmoot speech or his I guess Dare to fly speech to Victarion are my faves to me it sets up Euron as this different kinda Villian to the others. Barristan's battle speech in Meereen was also good
Gosh I’m so upset that they cut this, I was literally just talking to an English teacher about this yesterday!
I recently reread the books, and although Feast remains my least liked book(it’s still a 9 out of 10), I really get it more than when I last read it and love it now. Great video as always! In fact, I’ve recently been rewatching your videos and some ASOIAF content creators, and I’m really inspired to start writing and maybe creating a channel… Who knows? I’m still not confident enough, but I’ll try my best!
The north remembers will always be my fave
as a broken man, hell yes
My 1st read through of AFFC I thought it was good, but it was missing my favorite characters (Tyrion and Jon) so I was more excited to read ADWD. On my 2nd read through, man, AFFC is just amazing. You pick up on things that you might have missed on the 1st pass. My favorite book in the series thus far.
Sandor is my favorite character and I like the idea of him being the Gravedigger and quietly atoning for his sins a lot more than Cleganebowl
They do a really good job showing the truth of peasants and lowly hedge knights in battle in the Dunk and Egg short story "The Sworn Sword". Dunk trying to train Sir Eustace's small folk to fight against Lady Webers much stronger forces illustrates just how overwhelming it is for them
Dang dude the show started in my final year of high school
Briane's chapters provide insight on Squishers (arguably the most important chapters in the series)
Great video as always
Wow, I can't believe they left that out!
I mean I guess it's not too surprising, but still that was a lay up, especially considering there was even an episode named the "The Broken man" 😅
Soo glad I quit that garbage when I did! Best TV watching decision I've ever made. Well, at least top 3, along with giving up football & cable news, lol
@1:25 'perhaps a little worse for wear' i mean that's understating it
Let me bathe in Bolton blood. Also Wylla Manderlys speech before the mermans court.
Doesn't a version of this speech exist in the little history voice overs that are included in every dvd release? Or I could be mistaken
Yup. They incorporated parts of the speech in the vid about the War of Nine Penny Kings.
Chaos is a ladder speech was pretty epic even if it is show only.
"I want to live forever in a land where summer lasts a thousand years. I want a castle in the clouds where I can look down over the world. I want to be six-and-twenty again. When I was six-and-twenty I could fight all day and fuck all night. What men want does not matter.
"Winter is almost upon us, boy. And winter is death. I would sooner my men die fighting for the Ned's little girl than alone and hungry in the snow, weeping tears that freeze upon their cheeks. No one sings songs of men who die like that. As for me, I am old. This will be my last winter. Let me bathe in Bolton blood before I die. I want to feel it spatter across my face when my axe bites deep into a Bolton skull. I want to lick it off my lips and die with the taste of it on my tongue."
- Big Chuck it in the Fuck it Bucket Wull
Damn I was just about to tell you he does give that speech in the history & lore for season 6! Those animated extras on the dvd’s are the history & lord videos they cover the book stuff & even mention the Night’s queen & the firey hand yet dumb & dumber did nothing with it smh
The show did have Brother Ray give an account of the War of the Ninepenny Kings from the perspective of the common soldier in the Season Six History and Lore (see: ruclips.net/video/Fg4Xh3rr9Fo/видео.htmlsi=tbfJpQ1l_zaVpMa5&t=3315), which does use or adapt some of Septon Meribald's speech. If nothing else, they could have used this in the show itself, rather than save it just for the extras.
Oof, I just posted the link too. It's not that long, they could have easily Incorporated Ray/Meribald's monologue while they show what's Quiet Isle about. 😐
I actually liked D&D's creative liberty of having The Hound be able to receive and interpret fire visions since he was kissed by fire; was so hopeful about where that was going...and in the end, it amounted to nothing. How frickin disappointing and useless. Much like the show as a whole by the end.
The whole subplot with the Red God went nowhere, the priestess talking to Varys, Melisandre saying she's returning to Volantis to talk to the clergy, etc.
My favorite passage in the series is Wyman Manderly from A Dance with Dragons, telling Ser Davos that the North, in fact, Remembers. And of course everything related to Lord Manderly was cut from the show, because those two idiots were fucking awful at their jobs.
My second favorite passage is Prince Doran's speech about being the grass, which I honestly can't even remember if they included in the show or not, because I've blocked the entirety of the Dorne plotline from my memory due to how badly they butchered it. Imagine casting Alexander fucking Siddig as one of the coolest tertiary in the entire series, and then turning him into a fucking muppet. I'm honestly getting furious just thinking about it as I write this comment. Fuck.
10:05 anyone have a link?
I too really thought THIS should have been kept in show. THIS speech made me bawl when I was reading-becase THIS is NOT fiction. This isn't just for war, but it always leaves the same kind of damage. ALL of us have a breaking point. A lot of us will never have the DEEP displeasure of learning where/what our personal breaking points are. Just like most "miserable" people will never know just how happy they really are. O! Manderly's The North Remembers speech IS epic-but Manderly was qouting Lady Dustin when he says that to Davos-the North Remembers is her speech. The moving of the Sad Wedding from barrowton to the ruins of Winterfell STARTS sometime before Manderly talks to Davos-yet after the wedding had been planned. The reason Roose gives Ramsey was one of my first real "knows." It's the truth-and a lie. Barbrey does hate Ramsey-but it was already happening. The was wedding was moved, not originally denied. Then a different read through, I put the Guest Gift shit together while reading. Barbrey gives her husband the pride of her father's herd right before he leaves for war. What Barbrey SAYS about that horse is almost EXACTLY word for word what Rohanne Webber says to Dunc when SHE offers HIM her finest horse as he is departing. And the horse Illyrio gives Dany right before she departs, her admiration of Silver? Guest Gifts...some of them really cement suspicions into facts. They might not clear up the why's, but they clear up some of the who wants who dead at certain times kind of questions. It is Barbrey who told Manderly about Guest Gifts. He only recently learned what they are-I could tell by how he asks Davos about them. THAT is clear. The Manderly's have been recently reminded of their debt to the Starks by Barbrey. Barbrey and Manderly talked before Manderly talks to Davos. And Davos doesn't like how Manderly changes his tone for when he says THAT specific North stuff to him. He gets uncomfortable, not liking the change. Manderly does change his tone, literally-he was adopting Barbrey's "feral" attitude when he is qouting her to Davos. THAT is why Barbrey's "The North Remembers, Frey" quip reads SO original, even in it's brevity-because it IS. Manderly IS qouting Barbrey Dustin. The way it is written-I do not read THAT with ANY doubt. I believe we are supposed to know that as readers. What they are planning-that is maybe not clear yet-but A LOT of it IS there. Like why the Sad Wedding was moved from Barrowton AFTER those Frey men {pies} vanish. Those guys were on their way to Barrowton, yo. Those Freys were killed and prepped for pies IN Barrowton. Barbrey IS a part of the Frey pies. Barbrey explains Guest Gifts to Manderly-that was HER idea, too. I really think the text is making it clear that Barbrey and Manderly are in cahoots-and Manderly's INSANE but AWESOME shit talking that gets him cut by a Frey-that is him being fully confident that his goal has been achieved. Another thing-Barbrey tells theon to watch Roose eat. How he ONLY eats what Manderly eats. She says poison...but she is always lying when she tells the truth. JUST like Roose does. Roose is actually avoiding Guest Right by eating ONLY Manderly's food. Barbrey IS helping to save Roose for some reason. Don't know why, for sure-but to me, THAT much IS part of the story. Roose is grateful as f00k to Barbrey. i mean...that alone is so big. She talks mad shit to Roose. She, a single, widowed woman, tells Roose, a Bolton, what to do-and he tells Ramsey to respect her lol. Facts. Manderly did NOT go to Winterfell with an escape plan-that's why he brings no hostages, etc. Facts. And what did Manderly want? He wants revenge, among a few other things. Whatever Manderly wanted tho-he has when he gets cut. If Barbrey hadn't been instructng Manderly on how to get revenge without pissing off the Old Gods, Manderly would have executed Davos to get his son back. Manderly has always been clever, yeah-but that plan to kill someone in Davos's place? THAT was not his idea-Barbrey saved his ass, convinced Manderly to use him, not kill him. THIS part-I can't say if Rickon IS actually there, in Barrowton, when the books end. But I really think the text is telling us that. Manderly's extreme fukit positively suicidal attitude to the Freys-that shit was EPIC! Barbrey's listing off crimes like they are court charges-and declaring their guilt...the fact that the wedding is moved to literal ruins while winter is setting in..the efin Frey pie-guys vanish enroute to barrowton. No search party finds one clue-tho Manderly strongly implies they were tortured and questioned before dying. Where do these guys get taken, possibly tortured/questioned, definitely murdered and made into pies? NOT on the road. Is that an intentional mystery-or is it a matter of the author trying to help us put it together as we go? I honestly do not see the point of these bits of text if not to tell us that Manderly is qouting Barbrey-that The North Remembers is HER speech. The fact that they have secretly met and talked I believe is what the book IS saying. Please tell me if I am wrong-I am already starting another reread lol. I am new to the theories stuff mostly. I don't think ALL of these are theories-some of these crazy things are what is actually happening even though the characters might not know it yet. Example-everyone wants to know who the ghost in winterfell is, right? That guy is that SAME guy who was with Wex at White Harbor, when Davos was there. I forget his name in this moment. THAT dude is Winterfell to inform Barbrey and Manderly that Davos/Rickon are back. Am I wrong or is it really more complicated than that? I feel kind of stupid. I don't know if Barbrey has an army or 2 or 3 gathering at Barrowton. Those armies being Crannogmen. The "lost" Umber army. Whatever unicorn riding warg army that follows Rickon. Hers. I don't know if she is actually helping to return Ned's bones. I don't know if she is actually trying to clear the collapsed section of the crypts. These things are what I suspect she is doing based on her and Manderly working together and other things. Like Ned going to Barrowton after leaving Starfall...to return her dead husband's horse. Hmmm. Even Roose is treating Barbrey with noticeable deference. Barbrey is the REAL power in the North-this isn't my imagination or far-fetched weird connection. She holds REAL, noticeable power of sway. That is how it is written, isn't it? Maybe I am having a hard time telling the diff between theory and actual wtf is happing in text? I LOVE the Manderly's. Love them. But for real-it is Barbrey behind his 'feral" words to Davos. Manderly IS loyal-is Barbrey? Is she helping Manderly/the north peeps....or is she using their love of the Starks against them all? To me, that is the question behind Barbrey's/Manderly's "The North Remembers" speech. WTF is she REALLY doing? And IF Howland IS involved...is he involved as "bad" guy or is he trying to help restore Stark rule and being manipulated by Barbrey? I cannot tell if Barbrey is really helping or if she and Roose have a side plan. That efin horse she gave her hisband...the Ned returns. What happens if your Lord returns his loyal bannerman's Guest Gift? Ned might have fucked Barb on that. That, or her husband did not die at ToJ. When Rohanne Webber offers Dunc THAT particular horse-is she trying to kill him or make sure he comes back to her? My gut says sometimes Gift Horses/Gifts are not a bad thing. In some cases, they mean for you to return to the giver, against all odds. Otherwise Rohanne Webber and Barbrey Dustin are NOT good peeps at all. Real Bees. I really think that Lady Dustins husband did not die at ToJ. I guess I have to see THAT as theory, which is now fucking with me to me, since personally {sometimes secretly now in comment sections}-I have always read it to be that way. Did anyone else think this? I am feeling some kind of way about it all lol
I haven't watched the show but I have seen a few clips, including Tywin's death which has a very potent lack of book dialogue. I get that show Tyrion is generally less nasty so "I have always been your son" vs "I do believe I'm you writ small" for example is just a natural consequence of that but the thing that really takes a lot of bite out of the scene is the absence of the Tysha confession immediately prior, which was key to Tyrion's emotional drive to do the murder in the first place. In the show he says "say that word again" and Tywin says the word again and gets shot and it's like I guess he's mad about Tywin lording over him for his proclivity for women? Or something? Whereas in the books the thing that does Tywin in is (as usual) thinking too highly of himself, in the past taking Tyrion's one chance at happiness from him because even the son he hates is a Lannister and can't marry a commoner and in the present not admitting to any wrongdoing even when his life may depend on it.
I am SO GLAD that Tyrion’s trial speech was mostly unchanged in the show. It’s the best piece of monologue the show kept from the books, hands down.
If they wanted action so bad, they could have done the speech overlaid a montage of slow motion horrors of war and la the chaos is a ladder soliloquy. They could have had both! So frustrating.
Seriously, who TF went through ASOIAF and decided it would be their very specific mission to make character portraits for every single named character in a cartoony ass style, completley at odds with the tone of the books? While I think the style is a pretty big mismatch I am still very glad they did this so that all of you RUclipsrs have pictures to illustrate even the most obscure characters you chose to talk about. Seriously, does anybody know that artists name? I feel like this is an open secret i have somehow been intentionally excluded from. lol
I think the real theme is that war is cool and epic and uber based. Robb only lost because sex before marriage is a sin.
You’re so right
I had the same perception of Brienne's arc in AFFC. During the first reading I found it pretty boring and bleak but on the second reading I loved it. I concentrated only on Brienne's chapters and it was a vivid and moving trip into the horrors of war and the misery of small folks' lives. The investigation setting made it close to an anthropological study.
The Broken Men speech really shines a light on the absurdity and brutality of the feudal system and the lack of humanity these lords, great and small, show for their people.
Damn, Martin is such a complex writer. He manages to make us feel at the same time empathy and contempt toward his characters.
I kind think they showed the horror of war in the burning of kingslanding, but it feels kinda just to make us feel daenerys and her dragons like villans, and sometimes just for shock value. If season eight had more episodes, more good dialogues etc for daenerys maybe the burning of kingslanding could be more powerfull and have real meaning for the story and that theme
Did you say that Ian McShane's speech is on the special features of the season 6 blu rays? I can't find any reference to it. Does anyone have a link?
And good luck on your anal argument, Quinn :)
Linked in the description! I’ll need it
I would have combined the two Broken Men speeches into 1 somehow
The play the speech or part of it on game of thrones History and Lore
Hey Quinn. I wanted to let you know a crummy shorts channel used this exact same title and concept in their short.
It is called ‘Video Books’
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For me, I have three pieces of dialogue/monologue, that had me "at the edge of my seat" while reading. The broken men speech is among them and you mentioned Wyman Manderlys "The North remembers" speech, that would have been better than the butcher job we had of the great northern conspiracy. The third one is the "Fire and Blood" speech by Doran Martell. Cold, calculating, biding his time and then the unbridled venom and thirst for revenge. It really had me going "fuck yeah!" while reading.
All three stand out as brilliant pieces of prose if you ask me.
That none of them was included is scandalous but at the same time foreseeable because of the way they ruined the show, raped Dorne and butchered the North. I mean do you really expect good decisions from Dumb and Dumber? After all you have seen?
You said it, the creators of the show missed this point. I am 100% sure they didn't read the books after the 3rd one, and even that one they problably skiped many chapters, this is core for the story but the show glorifies violence in the last seasons until they don't at the end and is part of why the ending feels so weird for many watchers.
My name on RUclips for a few years was "The Broken Man." No points for why.
Just another series defining thing that awful show robbed us of.
I read this as the Brooklyn man.💀
Providing insight in core-messaging doesnt make Brienne chapters good. I would say Catelyn's chapter on Renly's camp is one of the most illuminating on core messaging as well and they advance the plotline/have a huge pay off.
That being said... Great video!
Because of everything people say about the fourth book being their least favorite, i had low expectations when I started it but man, AFFC had no business being THIS good
Whenever i tell people that i list Asoiaf as a pacifist book series, they look at me as if i am crazy.
if you are reading this,belive it we are getting the winds of winter soon
I'm convinced that one of the many reasons Winds is taking so long is that George has been trying to recreate a lot of the brooding, introspective sections from Brienne's Feast chapters for Winds.
copium is one hell of a drug
I called him the itinerant preacher.
They somewhat referenced the speech in the DVD lore vid ruclips.net/video/UehyNF6vMHM/видео.htmlsi=Diq4fifCDGeEKcYA but yeah, missed opportunity to put in the show.
Which one lol? The show that must not be named removed half of what made A Song of Ice and Fire great, if not more.
I think everyone misunderstands the final seasons of GOT
We all rooted for Dany, we all loved when the dragons burned the ships and fields of men but then in the final episodes we find out we’ve been rooting for the villain. She was to human to be a villain or at least we thought. Before jon goes on to fight like 12 more battles he says “I’m tired of fighting” he practically begged Sansa not to make him fight and only agreed because it was to save his baby brother. I really think people should go back and rewatch 5 or 6 till the end again
And what about those final seasons was it that everyone misunderstood?
ruclips.net/video/OKSJF5ap7Sw/видео.htmlsi=hYlCjB0_nGR45nkv just in case you guys wanna hear the full context
I had no idea Brienne's pov in A Feast for Crows was controversial. I recently read it for the first time and Brienne's chapters were my favorite parts of the book!
Perhaps a little worse for wear? Perhaps? There is no perhaps. *Spoiler Alert for a 20 year old book*
Biter eats half her face. I think she's a whole lot worse for wear.
What’s a simple bite on the face among friends