At first I didn't know what to think of the T31. It felt like we were getting screwed again with a cheap chip. But looking at the design and capability and the fact it will be 6,000 - 7,000 tons, I am actually satisfied and impressed. Type 31 will be a great addition and asset to the fleet. Now build at least 8 of them.
It will be the jack of all trades ship, doing the grunt work of the navy, freeing up the T45 and T26 to do their specialised roles instead of hunting down pirates and smugglers
Beware. The UK armed forces are being Americanised. The US are brutal immoral players. Just look at how their rules of engagement have changed since ww2. Look at Ben Williams former SAS talk on his experiences.
For all the stick the T31 gets, 6,000 - 7,000 tons is a big frigate. Realistically, the only ships that would be able to handle it are major surface combatants, and they'll be handled by T26, T45 & eventually T4X. Armament and ordering more than currently planned are what should be the priorities now.
Well, honestly, can't just about any size warship deal with this class? I mean aren't all RN ships fitted for everything important but not actually fitted with those systems?
@MI6 Oh yeah, right how could I miss that. Please tell me how many Darings can put to sea with full kit? You know the six ships and almost 2 full sets of gear among them, or the carriers that can hold 50 planes but might have 6. Yeah right, how did I miss all of that.
@MI6 So many errors. Better should be capitalized. It is your not ur and it is favorite not with a u. Now that we have a bit of education in you, how do you know what my favorite is? You assume. Perhaps you secretly you have impression that Aegis is better than Sampson. I can understand how that would bother you.
@@davidhouseman4328 No infrastructure to do so unfortunately, biggest weve built in recent years is the protector class IPV. Basically Australian Armadale class without the 25mm. We are currently upgrading both our Anzacs with British Seaceptor and systems.
@@snapdragon9300 Yes, we aren't looking for replacements until the 2030's. But with the huge area we oversea we need long endurance and rough sea ability first and foremost. A weapon and sensor fit similar to the upgraded NZ Anzacs would suffice.
Yeah please do, other navies placing orders is part of the plan, it would create an economy of scale which would let GB upgrade from 13 total frigates to 16 again. Then we could do a better job working together with the rest of the world.
Good to see. Great times for British shipbuilding :) But we should build 8 instead of 5, and 2 additional Type 26's for the Royal Navy to achieve a number of major surface combatants that meets requirements. We should never have been robbed of the original number of 12 proposed Type 45 Destroyers, either. The 6 we have are all overworked and pay a price for it as it stresses their engines and hulls more, being on so many active deployments over the years. Bit late now to introduce more (a new destroyer class in the future would probably be more likely but for now the Type 45 is still at the top of it's game) I know the Type 31's are going to help free up the Type 45's and Type 26's from more mundane tasks, as the Type 31 is the lower end surface combatant of the three - but 5 won't be enough, I reckon anyway. Build at least 8, please :) - and build and sell 4 to New Zealand. Also, has anyone considered selling one to Taiwan? Would rile Beijing but oh well who cares lol P.S - I have class and ship name suggestions for the Type 31: CLASS: Paradise-class SHIP NAMES: 1. HMS Paradise 2. HMS Arcadia 3. HMS Tropical 4. HMS Halcyon 5. HMS Eden .... If more than 5 are built: 6. HMS Tranquility 7. HMS Haven 8. HMS Zephyr ... Ships for sale: - what about 4 to New Zealand (NZ has little reason to buy the much more expensive Type 26, though the idea of them having one or two of those instead, doesn't sound too bad - it is just more that it would make a lot more sense for NZ to have 4 smaller and less expensive ships that suite New Zealand's requirements better?) - 2 to Australia? - 1 to Taiwan? - 1 to Singapore? 8 for the UK to keep, 8 for the UK to sell, total of 16 for the British shipyards? Seems like a plan!
It's definitely an option for New Zealand, but having the same vessel as Australia is very important for them. We need to get one if each built for them peruse. And increased order for the UK would be the easiest way for a fleet increase. It'll be one to watch later on.
@@davidhouseman4328 100% agree though there is sense in New Zealand buying what suites New Zealand (rather than configuring to match Australia) Australia is buying a large number of Type 26's and so like I said, New Zealand buying perhaps 2 (?) seems pretty fair. I think the idea of NZ having 2 Type 26's and 2-4 Type 31's, is a decent idea (if, ambitious, perhaps, for NZ) But maybe they could be sold at a special price as part of newer trade deals made separately, to offset the costs? NZ needs to replace old frigates anyway, so the Type 31 isn't such a problem at it's lower price tag but I think NZ can financially and logistically handle buying 2 Type 26's to give them something considerably better and more capable than the Type 31? Would give them more of a bite. With Australia buying 9 Type 26's and Canada looking at buying some 15 Type 26's (wow, both will be getting even more than 8 the UK is looking at for the Royal Navy itself) the idea of the RNZN getting 2 seems very fair. edit: P.S - the UK should have 12 Type 26's really, at least, and more than 12 lighter surface combatants like the Type 31 to ease the burden on the destroyers and Type 26 ASW frigates. The 5 planned Type 31's for the UK isn't enough, nor is 8 Type 26's for the UK. Crewing problems are a concern, yes, though the UK ought to find a way through the problem and not just give up so lightly. There are always ways to make things work. The UK population is big enough to man a few more frigates. Any failure to achieve that is a government failure not a military one. We got 6 Type 45 Destroyers instead of 12 originally envisaged (to like-for-like replace the 12 Type 42's) The UK needs 25-35 major surface combatants in my opinion (the government even admitted 25 minimum is pretty much at the limit of requirements - so aiming for 35/36 is better) - 6 Type 45 Destroyers - 12 Type 26's - 12-16 Type 31's. That'd get the UK over 32 major surface combatants. Would be good.
@@ThePalaeontologist New Zealand will only go for one type. The best we can hope for is more of that type. As for the UK I like to keep my hopes smaller, so just 5 extra T31 is where they're at. Though if the Type 4X end up based on the Type 26 maybe we could stretch that a bit more.
Amen to that. But as ever too few ships. Five to do, 'All the other stuff,'' as was said is a big worry. Particularly as they will not all be at sea at once.
@@zrepeels It is more than likely that a second batch will be made, after the first ship is delivered, and tested. Ofc this is me speculating, but I would not be supprised if there will be 10-12 T31e's in the future.
@@MrBandholm I would be delighted to agree with you. But the Arrowhead 140 is the top end of the designs offered and could well go over budget. A first batch of four is not impossible. Then there is a possible change of government, of course. Fingers crossed for a second batch, it is much needed.
@@zrepeels Well there will be five ships, for starters, at least that is what the contract says. I suspect that there will be a second batch of both T26 and T31e's... Why? Well there is an actual need for them, and governments are slowely (around the world) starting to realise the need for navies again. I would not be supprised that five more T26's will be ordered, and the same with T31e's... With focus on recruiting again, and additional drone control facilities on T31e, I think the RN will be in good shape in 10-15 years time.
Fantastic interview! Wasn't expecting the prior knowledge and good questions asked (as someone who has read probably too much on this project). An extra couple of these would be fantastic to relieve some of the strain on the RN, but of course there are many more issues with that, not least manpower. I am very happy with this more budget approach to free up the high value ships and get through the financial red tape that has been plaguing the MOD since 2010, brilliant thinking whoever thought that up. The next concern is of course weapons fit, certainly a focus on a new anti ship missile, but for now, I shall be proud for what we have gained, instead of always wanting more.
Great Britain just one more thing we are leading in. Leading in ( Tanks / Ship's / Jets / Tech / Hardware / Software / Training / Army / Navy / Air Force / Elite Forces / Mean Assault Riffle / Wast Land Attack Helicopter ) what more can Britain be leading in.
I know that Oman will show some interest in the T26 and T31 frigates. This is because the Uk has had a long standing relationship with Oman dating back to the Mid 20th century.
Good call, Though personally I think Thomas Cochrane was the Best British Admiral at using small Ships, Incredible Career and not just in the RN but as Admiral of the Chilean, Brazilian and Greek Fleets
I’m personally in favour of the “Hero Class” or something of a similar name. HMS Winston S Churchill Or HMS Margaret Thatcher Perhaps the “Pudding Class” HMS Yorkshire Pudding HMS Black Pudding HMS Blood Pudding Or something like the “Cheese class” I really would love to see HMS Cheddar HMS Wensleydale HMS Stilton HMS Cornish Blue HMS Brie
What is happening to UK......uk government is the biggest corruption in the world. .largest MILITARY budget. .know MILITARY EQUIPMENT..know ..AIRCRAFT carriers. .know MILITARY ship ...know unclear weapons.....fighting JET.......uk MILITARY is not up to 3 million PERSONNEL....uk is dead. ..IRAN well destroyed uk.....Russia well well make uk land farm land.......dead NATION without SECURITY.......dead NATION without head of state....dead nationa without vision.......A NATION with largest budget. But No MILITARY EQUIPMENT.....RIP....IRAN well SEIZED uk very soon.....dead NATION
Does anyone else think our navy was depleted due to being in Europe and the concept of a European navy. How did we manage to have a substantial fleet thirty years ago but there is no money for it now.
@@daveandmerlin you sound like a remoaner. We lost a substantial fleet and boats in that time. This was because of consecutively biased governments to Europe. What's the point of having a large fleet when you combine all the sea faring members of the EU for a super navy.
@@danimortiboys8260 you shouldn't jump to conclusions about my vote to leave or stay in the EU . At the end of the day the Country hasn't got shed loads of spare cash so we could never afford the Armed forces we once had .. .have you ever considered how much it costs to build and maintain compared to 50 or even 30 years ago ?
EU and NATO are two different pairs of shoes. One has nothing to do with the other. Although Britain wants to leave the EU, there remains an obligation to contribute to NATO. We have the same problem in Germany. Not enough was invested in new military equipment for too long. Now everything comes at once and therefore saving is sometimes more expensive than spending a little more money at the right time.
@@danimortiboys8260 about 30 years ago there was an event that tells you why our fleet is smaller now. People seem not to understand how much stronger the USSR with the warsaw pact was than just Russia.
T31 is the perfect fit for the role. As Prest said, it's the general workhorse of the fleet. counter piracy, counter narcotics, scouting, screening etc. The T45 and T26 are too specialised for those roles. Despite being outstanding ships in their respective roles, they're not suited to grunt work. The T31 is.
@@jieshengli9841 WE give a shit ton of money to India, and what do they do? Build a crappy space programme... All of this while half their country is in poverty
Everyone complaining, the Type 31 is planned to be a general purpose frigate. A main gun, a few miniguns, maybe a CIWS and say 24-32 Sea Ceptor is enough for what the RN wants them for. The higher end stuff like carriers escort, anti submarine, anti air warfare etc will be handled by a fleet of least 14 Type 45's and Type 26's.
I agree. This obsession with specifying all ships to fight wars that have not happened and will probably never happen, is hitting what we actually do. The plastic speedboats of the Iranians that are currently making us look twats do not need much to discourage them.They just require more than one ship on station in the Straits of Hormuz. These T31s are good enough to do the job.Just please make more of them and sell them abroad.which is part of what T31 is about.
@@billycaspersghost7528 Iranian speedboats making us look like twats? I think not. They have been driven off over a hundred times pointlessly, they are wasting everybody's time. Current T31 fit plan is more than enough to shred them- an automatic high explosive broadside of three bofors guns, as well as miniguns and gpmgs.
The Iranian speedboats have harassed and planted limpet mines. That British flagged tanker was taken ,if not by the little speedboats ,by the Iranians while the single RN ship was too far away to do anything other than radio. It could have used lethal force but that would been a ridiculous escalation. Shredding is the option you would not have to use if you were actually present as an escort.Hence T31 with proportional fit and hopefully sufficient numbers.(otherwise what`s the point of a cheaper ship?) If you got the sense of my post I was saying exactly what you say as regards the T31 fit and purpose against all the people who are knocking T31. More than adequate for the level of threat posed by all real situations. THis is not just the Gulf but all practical naval needs. We are wrong to spec. all our defence on the far fetched presumption of a war with a first rate technical power. Same goes for aircraft.We fight tribesmen with planes out of starwars. Turboprop ground attack plane would be plenty.
@@billycaspersghost7528 Indeed Stena Impero was lost, but it was hardly the fault of the RN and everybody knows that. The Iranians were lucky, and the British government was incompetent. Things have changed now anyway and they stand no chance of a repeat. Other than that I agree, and even though this is a second rate Frigate by RN standards it's still a fantastic platform.
@@billycaspersghost7528 while I agree we often use over spec'd planes for the mission, I think it's drones taking there place rather than a cheaper manned aircraft.
I am Peruvian, yes, Perú can buy Type 31 Leander frigates or another model, and we could also buy Challenger 2 tanks from England because they are good candidates for Peru. I will not comment more on military channels. I have already stopped publishing on military channels. because I am busy, that is why I publicize in this way, now due to future wars for water and natural resources in Latin America Peru must buy all kinds of heavy military material from any country in this case English frigates and tanks I would say they are the best candidates for Peruvian armed forces, Peru used British military weapons in the Cenepa armed conflict we used British Canberra fighter-bombers It should be noted that Peru shot down 7 aircraft to Ecuador and Ecuador shot down 6 aircraft to Peru, but Peru won because we Peruvians kept territory Tiwintza, returning to the theme of the Type 31 Leander frigates England offered Peru these frigates to replace the Peruvian fleet that is made up of the lupo class, consolidating renewal and to arm the Peruvian armed forces, I understand that it can be built in SIMA PERU, and Technology transfer can be done with Bae Systems, Cammell Laird, they are partners, they won an international tender in 2020, I understand that the cost of the Type 31 Leander Frigate is 350 million dollars, the FREMM frigates The F-100 Frigates of Spain are between 850 and 900 million euros It is not 400 or 600 million euros as some say, the FREMM frigates are very expensive from 700 million or more in euros, they are also expensive a cruise ship sank a ship from Venezuela coming from Navantia Spain, that is why the best candidate for the Navy of Peru is the English frigate Type 31 Leander is modern, it has good technology for the Peruvian Navy we must acquire when there is a budget later the Type 31 Leander 1, 2 or 4 English frigates, depending on the budget that Peru has and in terms of the English Challenger 2 tanks They are good candidates for the Peruvian Army and Peruvian Armed Forces. The price per unit is 5 or 7 million dollars. Its cost is around there. It has good armor, good technology, and is considered one of the best tanks in the world. It is also expensive, but it is a good tank, I think it weighs 62.5 tons, but it has a lot of armor and it also has real combat experience used in Iraq, the important thing is that it has been used in combat I think they have 148 tanks the country Oman also uses these tanks, hopefully Peru and England reach an agreement later and a new Peruvian president buys about 60 Challenger 2 tanks this would be accompanied by the construction of hospitals and schools, the United Kingdom is also the main responsible for the reconstruction of the North of Peru by British companies. Regarding the tank candidates for Peru, all tanks, whether new or second-hand, are expensive, maintenance is expensive, the Peruvian military has already said that they will never buy tanks from Russia again, Black tanks South Korean Panthers are expensive, they are 85 million dollars and on top of that it is very expensive to pay more than necessary and they still do not export to other countries due to their high cost, French Lecrerc tanks are just as expensive everyone knows that in France nothing is cheap, after Turkish Altay tanks no because a Turk refused to sell new ships to Peru in the Pacific war Peru and Turkey have a good alliance but when it comes to buying tanks or spare parts, components there could be problems with the Turks, Merkava IV Israel no transfer technology and there would be problems in the bidding and the Abrams tank from the United States not because everyone already knows the Americans, even though you are an allied country of the United States, they impose restrictions and prohibitions to all, Peru is an ally of United States, a Peruvian ambassador named Rivera Shreiber warned the US months before the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Peruvian was honored in the US now returning to the subject, that is why the best candidate for the Peruvian Army is the English tank challenger 2 Hopefully when Peru has a budget with a new Peruvian president, Peru buy Type 31 Leandre frigates or another model and name them Martin George Guisse and Miguel Grau, British Englishman George Guisse was the founder of the Peruvian Navy with Jose de San Martín The Englishman George Guisse fought against France, he also fought against Napoleon Bonaparte and later he fought against the Spanish,Another thing would also be good to buy Challenger 2 tanks and name William Guillermo Miller and Francisco Bolognesi, because the English William Guillermo Miller was the designer of the Peruvian military uniform of what is now the Peruvian Army, Miller helped José de San Martín to liberate Peru in its independence, Peru has a lot of influence, English doctrine and tradition, British Miller fought in the battle of Waterloo, and also the English Guillermo Miller fought in the battle of Junín and Ayacucho, which were very important battles for independence of Peru, here in Peru there are always magazines and a lot of information saying that the English empire supported Peru to free itself from the Spanish empire, that is, it is obvious that we Peruvians are accepting England and George Guisse as Liberators of Peru because if not in Peru we would not they would be putting a lot of information about this and would say that independence was bought, which is not the case, it is already proven that independence England and the English did many things for Peru, as I have said on other occasions, although Simón Bolívar is the Liberator of Peru, England, the United Kingdom, the English people, and Argentina and the Argentine people are also the liberators of Peru. Although it is true that Peru and England are enemies, I say this because the English, the Falklands War, the Pacific War and the Pacocha battle are almost always talked about. I am Peruvian, this is the user Bomba atomica Racso and T-Rex, go back to watch military-themed channels with this user, this will be published on military channels, the Peruvian government believes that in 1975 to 1978, the Peruvian government wanted to acquire a aircraft carrier to England when Peru could have declared war on Chile, the English government had no impediment and the English said that if they could sell the aircraft carrier to Peru, Peru had the English Canberra fighter bombers and the Hawk Hunter to attack Chile, the English demonstrated once again that Peru and England are allies, the error came later with Belaunde Terry, who put Peru in the Malvinas, which Peru should have been neutral to improve the military alliance between Peru and England. Peru must be neutral and never get involved in the Malvinas conflict again. In the Pacific War and England's supposed financing of Chile in the Pacific War, I understand that England actually financed Peru and Chile, but the traitor Prado did not want to fully arm Peru, that is why we stopped being financed by England, In fact, the Huascar ship from Peru was English, Bolivia was the only country that was not financed by the English, and England also retained two ships from Chile and Peru during the Pacific War, apparently England was neutral, also that Prado was of Chilean origin I betray leaving unarmed and bankrupt With very little weapons, we had nothing on us. Prado fled from Peru. finally england the English founded from cities, banks, companies, schools, Inca kola drink, they even made football popular in Peru among many other things, etc. Thanks to England, Peru and Peruvians exist without England, Peru would not exist, it would continue to be a colony of Spain. This is reality, everyone knows this, that is why England should be the new liberator of Peru, and make the English language official. in Peru in honor of England, Peruvians would speak in English and Spanish who knows this could happen in the future who knows because the reality is that England, George Guisse, José de San Martín and Simón Bolívar would continue to be the liberators of Peru, perhaps in the future England becomes the new liberator of Peru and history can be taught in schools and in all parts of Peru. Finally to add the British admiral Frederick Stirling, the French Du Petit Thouars, the Italian commander Labrano, as well as the ministers plenipotentiary of Great Britain and France, intervened to prevent Lima from being violently taken. You can see another support from England to Peru, in addition to Englishmen, Englishmen and Italians fought against Chilean soldiers in Lima, one or more Englishmen died in real combat and also Italians died in combat, also English sailors and Italian sailors landed due to the obvious attack Chilean. occupation in Lima, I understand that in the battle of San Juan and Chorrillos Peru used British Nordenfelt machine guns, In addition, it is all interests, in any case England supported Peru in the Pacific War I hope that in the future Peru and England improve the military and economic alliance Greetings from Lima,Perú!
Ahhhh Bugger!..Adam Cottrell!..Your totally correct..Type 26, not 31! I messed it up, sorry, however, there have been complaints from Australian DOD about British downsizing of the ships capabilities and they are holding you Brits to the oridinal contracts..If it goes ahead at all now!
Fair enough pal. I have absolutely no information about the Type 26 being downgraded at all & I have various subscriptions to defence sites. The first two for the Royal navy have already had their steel cut with the first starting to take shape, so if you're talking about physical downsizing that is incorrect, if you're talking about a downsizing of capability that is also incorrect. Being a modular design the Australian & Canadian government will have their own specifications which will differ from the Royal navy requirements so each ship will be fitted to the required specifications. The type 26 is certainly not an off the shelf, what you get is what you get, design, it also has lots of scope to modify easily during mid-life refit, etc. The type 31 is a general purpose frigate of which the Royal navy will be ordering 5 initially. It will still be a very capable frigate but not as advanced as a type 26. There's already quite abit of interest from abroad apparently from countries like New Zealand where the Type 26 might be seen as overkill for their needs. I expect the Type 31 will exceed the Type 26 in export numbers eventually.
@@adamcottrell6454 I doubt there will be more Type 31 exported than the 24 already planned Type 26. But we should get to build some of the Type 31s ourselves.
Honestly all these frigates with no armour wont win us the sea war in the South China sea. We need armoured battleships with cruise missiles to replace the big guns and ray guns. These frigate will be sunk by land based missiles before there able go do anything of use. We need tough ships able to defend against mass missile attacks and ships that can take beatings these iPads on trawlers literally get sank crashing into trawlers. I really think we are over reaching how capable an aircraft carrier squadron will be when all the ships defending the carrier have little to no armor. The missile defence systems on these ships isn't proven to actually defend them against mass missile attacks. The ships need to be able to take 10 -15 direct hits and keep powering on.
Listen to what the defence Experts (Francis Tusa, Ex Admiral etc) say about Britain attempting to build a budget warship for £250mil. Its going to be lacking in certain areas. Last time we built budget warships made of aluminium... Well we know what happened there in '81
I'm hearing "Fitted for but not with" all over again ... Didn't we learn anything from the Falklands? Only the language has changed, 'upgradeability', 'future proofing' evolving challenges' blah blah blah...7,000 tons with a main gun 1/2 the size of a tank cannon on 70 tons. ..And didnt I hear the 1st sea Lord say fairly recently that the later type 42's like HMS Gloucester were the ship the 42's should have been ALL ALONG. And that the Dukes are fine frigates that were built in the light of experience in the Falklands, which goes some way to explaining their success, good design, and weapons capability from the outset. These later ships seem like a retrograde step in many ways. Am I missing something?
25 knots !! the Danish edition the Iver Huitfeldt class goes from 0 to 30 knots in 120 seconds, she has been clocked at 31 knots in inland Danish waters, what she can do on the high seas I do not know, but about 25 knots is not true
Poor sod! I feel sorry for him having to spout that line as professionally as he does. Because most of what he describes is NOT work for a contemporary frigate at all, but merely a corvette at most. In short then, we're only going to have 14 top end units to protect both carriers AND any amphibious forces we may need to deploy, AND to undertake any single ship 'crisis' deployments that may actually require significant combat capabilities as well. For the rest, we're getting just five overpriced, oversized corvettes/OPVs to chase pirates and drug smugglers, keep the Argies quiet, and maybe play tag with Iranian fast attack craft... and not even very well armed or protected corvettes, either! ROT our vile bureaucrats and politicians to HELL.
Massive waste of money by the government by choosing the type 26. They should've ordered more small type 31 frigates. And then give them a proper warship armament.
@@loyalist5736 t31 would not be capable of taking on a Chinese frigate let alone a cruiser so a river class could be deployed to areas with low risk patrolling. Having a t26 that has options to use upto 72 missiles with adaption upto 96 would be far better. If you had just 10 t26 your options would increase for ACC fleet protection and single patrols when some are in maintenance. So no im not joking. Having a multipurpose vessel (t31)that has little ability to either defend the fleet or itself is pointless. Its does nothing well.
@@llamudos9809 The Type 31 has room to mount as many weapons as you want ...As for the Riverclass there is no room even to store a helicopter which is very important let alone other weapons systems.
@@loyalist5736 The t31 will only have upto 24 cells on it max (more likely 12). This is under armed when comapared to China or Russia who deploy 96 cells+. Having two CIWS is hardly providing cover for an ACC or being able to defend or attack an enemy frigate. The enemy will not wait for UK to upgrade its A2A, AsG or A2s system in a middle of conflict? Do you get my point? The t31 is good at nothing. t31 frigates would likely only be able to take on a something far less capable than a frigate. The t31 could not fight its way out of a paper bag reallistically. You wouild need a t45 or t26 so i do not see the point of cheap and chearful class? This ludicrous idea that the missile systems can just be dropped into a redundant bay in a matter of hours is false. These system are not plug and play.
@@loyalist5736 Given the frequency of anti-ship missile firings you’ll sling everything you have at it at the furthest possible range, and keep firing until its killed. The last thing you want is for a missile to get close where terminal manoeuvres will dramatically compromise gun firing solutions. The t31 would likely spend its entire time fleeing to re-arm that is a stupid concept.
@@davidhouseman4328 you have to be off your trolley. Thats why there was lease lend plus 90% of the RN ships were built during the ww1.and not up to scratch. Using armed merchant ships with 4inch guns. Yea
@@davidhouseman4328 the brits have never been ready military wise. Ww1 ww2 koŕea boneo malay suez oman the list goes on and on and most of the time the troops were undermined.
@@barbaradyson6951 WW1 I think we were ready. We aren't a continental power to have a large standing army. WW2 less so, but there was preparation of production which was key to the in on the end. Retreat from empire would always be painful as by definition we were a diminishing empire.
@@emonhunter8107 Right but its not like you keep voting SNP whose main goal is independence, they even want another referendum. Once Scotland is independent England will need to regain the knowhow, an expensive time consuming process.
@@TayebMC I am Scottish and I can admit there is definitely a feeling of wanting independence however there is an even greater feeling of unionism, especially with Scots that are interested in joint operations with England such as the royal navy. Most Scots think the SNP are rather stupid and a bit annoying. As for me personally I really hope we sont go independent as I want to join the royal navy and I would greatly appreciate it if there was still a Scottish part in it.
Makes me laugh when he is cagey about top speed "up above 25 knots " " high 20s in terms of speed " who cares ??25 knots or 35 knots makes NO DIFFERENCE at all to an anti ship missle or the type of ordanance that would be deployed to take out this ship . . pointless being elusive about certain specifications that have no bearing on giving the enemy any type of knowledged based advantage.(which imo top speed does not )
@@RR-us2kp not really -the ordance that submarines use these days aint like ww2 with a clock timer or anticipating where the ship will be after a 2000 yeard journey for a ancient torpedo . The smart toprpedos today can even be programmed to recognise an individual ships noise from a data base so top speed aint gonna outrum anything launched at it under the water or above it .
At first I didn't know what to think of the T31. It felt like we were getting screwed again with a cheap chip. But looking at the design and capability and the fact it will be 6,000 - 7,000 tons, I am actually satisfied and impressed. Type 31 will be a great addition and asset to the fleet. Now build at least 8 of them.
It will be the jack of all trades ship, doing the grunt work of the navy, freeing up the T45 and T26 to do their specialised roles instead of hunting down pirates and smugglers
@@regisreg1196yes we get a free pastry with every ship.
I do like our UK armed forces, be it air, army or navy, dare I say that I am a proud supporter of them.
Indeed !
Beware. The UK armed forces are being Americanised. The US are brutal immoral players. Just look at how their rules of engagement have changed since ww2. Look at Ben Williams former SAS talk on his experiences.
The reporter seems very knowledgeable and asks very detailed and pertinent questions.
Love the Nelson comparison.
For all the stick the T31 gets, 6,000 - 7,000 tons is a big frigate. Realistically, the only ships that would be able to handle it are major surface combatants, and they'll be handled by T26, T45 & eventually T4X. Armament and ordering more than currently planned are what should be the priorities now.
They will serve a bloody good purpose. Couple of them in any sea would be enough. They can always be upgraded with tech of there life.
Well, honestly, can't just about any size warship deal with this class? I mean aren't all RN ships fitted for everything important but not actually fitted with those systems?
@MI6 Oh yeah, right how could I miss that. Please tell me how many Darings can put to sea with full kit? You know the six ships and almost 2 full sets of gear among them, or the carriers that can hold 50 planes but might have 6. Yeah right, how did I miss all of that.
@MI6 Keep telling yourself that.
@MI6 So many errors. Better should be capitalized. It is your not ur and it is favorite not with a u. Now that we have a bit of education in you, how do you know what my favorite is? You assume. Perhaps you secretly you have impression that Aegis is better than Sampson. I can understand how that would bother you.
Sounds like a suitable ship for NZs future frigate replacement. Being that the T26 is a bit overkitted for our needs.
We'll let you decide. Do you know you'd want to build them yourself?
@@davidhouseman4328 No infrastructure to do so unfortunately, biggest weve built in recent years is the protector class IPV. Basically Australian Armadale class without the 25mm.
We are currently upgrading both our Anzacs with British Seaceptor and systems.
@@snapdragon9300 Yes, we aren't looking for replacements until the 2030's. But with the huge area we oversea we need long endurance and rough sea ability first and foremost. A weapon and sensor fit similar to the upgraded NZ Anzacs would suffice.
@@briananthony4044 Anything built for the North Atlantic will definitely have rough sea ability.
Yeah please do, other navies placing orders is part of the plan, it would create an economy of scale which would let GB upgrade from 13 total frigates to 16 again. Then we could do a better job working together with the rest of the world.
Good to see. Great times for British shipbuilding :) But we should build 8 instead of 5, and 2 additional Type 26's for the Royal Navy to achieve a number of major surface combatants that meets requirements. We should never have been robbed of the original number of 12 proposed Type 45 Destroyers, either. The 6 we have are all overworked and pay a price for it as it stresses their engines and hulls more, being on so many active deployments over the years. Bit late now to introduce more (a new destroyer class in the future would probably be more likely but for now the Type 45 is still at the top of it's game)
I know the Type 31's are going to help free up the Type 45's and Type 26's from more mundane tasks, as the Type 31 is the lower end surface combatant of the three - but 5 won't be enough, I reckon anyway.
Build at least 8, please :) - and build and sell 4 to New Zealand. Also, has anyone considered selling one to Taiwan? Would rile Beijing but oh well who cares lol
P.S - I have class and ship name suggestions for the Type 31:
CLASS: Paradise-class
SHIP NAMES:
1. HMS Paradise
2. HMS Arcadia
3. HMS Tropical
4. HMS Halcyon
5. HMS Eden
....
If more than 5 are built:
6. HMS Tranquility
7. HMS Haven
8. HMS Zephyr
...
Ships for sale:
- what about 4 to New Zealand (NZ has little reason to buy the much more expensive Type 26, though the idea of them having one or two of those instead, doesn't sound too bad - it is just more that it would make a lot more sense for NZ to have 4 smaller and less expensive ships that suite New Zealand's requirements better?)
- 2 to Australia?
- 1 to Taiwan?
- 1 to Singapore?
8 for the UK to keep, 8 for the UK to sell, total of 16 for the British shipyards? Seems like a plan!
It's definitely an option for New Zealand, but having the same vessel as Australia is very important for them. We need to get one if each built for them peruse.
And increased order for the UK would be the easiest way for a fleet increase. It'll be one to watch later on.
@@davidhouseman4328 100% agree though there is sense in New Zealand buying what suites New Zealand (rather than configuring to match Australia) Australia is buying a large number of Type 26's and so like I said, New Zealand buying perhaps 2 (?) seems pretty fair. I think the idea of NZ having 2 Type 26's and 2-4 Type 31's, is a decent idea (if, ambitious, perhaps, for NZ) But maybe they could be sold at a special price as part of newer trade deals made separately, to offset the costs?
NZ needs to replace old frigates anyway, so the Type 31 isn't such a problem at it's lower price tag but I think NZ can financially and logistically handle buying 2 Type 26's to give them something considerably better and more capable than the Type 31? Would give them more of a bite.
With Australia buying 9 Type 26's and Canada looking at buying some 15 Type 26's (wow, both will be getting even more than 8 the UK is looking at for the Royal Navy itself) the idea of the RNZN getting 2 seems very fair.
edit: P.S - the UK should have 12 Type 26's really, at least, and more than 12 lighter surface combatants like the Type 31 to ease the burden on the destroyers and Type 26 ASW frigates. The 5 planned Type 31's for the UK isn't enough, nor is 8 Type 26's for the UK. Crewing problems are a concern, yes, though the UK ought to find a way through the problem and not just give up so lightly. There are always ways to make things work. The UK population is big enough to man a few more frigates. Any failure to achieve that is a government failure not a military one.
We got 6 Type 45 Destroyers instead of 12 originally envisaged (to like-for-like replace the 12 Type 42's)
The UK needs 25-35 major surface combatants in my opinion (the government even admitted 25 minimum is pretty much at the limit of requirements - so aiming for 35/36 is better)
- 6 Type 45 Destroyers
- 12 Type 26's
- 12-16 Type 31's.
That'd get the UK over 32 major surface combatants. Would be good.
@@ThePalaeontologist New Zealand will only go for one type. The best we can hope for is more of that type. As for the UK I like to keep my hopes smaller, so just 5 extra T31 is where they're at. Though if the Type 4X end up based on the Type 26 maybe we could stretch that a bit more.
@@davidhouseman4328 Interesting. If that is the case in the long run, surely NZ would be better off having more ships but less expensive ones?
@@ThePalaeontologist I can see the arguments both ways. I'm not sure how they will decide.
Dear god let them arm it properly.
Amen to that. But as ever too few ships. Five to do, 'All the other stuff,'' as was said is a big worry. Particularly as they will not all be at sea at once.
@@zrepeels It is more than likely that a second batch will be made, after the first ship is delivered, and tested.
Ofc this is me speculating, but I would not be supprised if there will be 10-12 T31e's in the future.
@@MrBandholm I would be delighted to agree with you. But the Arrowhead 140 is the top end of the designs offered and could well go over budget. A first batch of four is not impossible. Then there is a possible change of government, of course. Fingers crossed for a second batch, it is much needed.
@@zrepeels Well there will be five ships, for starters, at least that is what the contract says.
I suspect that there will be a second batch of both T26 and T31e's... Why? Well there is an actual need for them, and governments are slowely (around the world) starting to realise the need for navies again.
I would not be supprised that five more T26's will be ordered, and the same with T31e's... With focus on recruiting again, and additional drone control facilities on T31e, I think the RN will be in good shape in 10-15 years time.
@@MrBandholm Dream on..
The only decent Defense reporter !!
Fantastic interview! Wasn't expecting the prior knowledge and good questions asked (as someone who has read probably too much on this project). An extra couple of these would be fantastic to relieve some of the strain on the RN, but of course there are many more issues with that, not least manpower. I am very happy with this more budget approach to free up the high value ships and get through the financial red tape that has been plaguing the MOD since 2010, brilliant thinking whoever thought that up. The next concern is of course weapons fit, certainly a focus on a new anti ship missile, but for now, I shall be proud for what we have gained, instead of always wanting more.
RNZN have shown an interest in type 26 and 31 too.
I'd expect the RNZN to go with a type 31. More affordable and half the crew requirement of T26 means this is their more likely buy.
Still not the amount of shipbuilding contracts promised in 2014 as the ships aren’t the same number promised back then and years late !
Great Britain just one more thing we are leading in. Leading in ( Tanks / Ship's / Jets / Tech / Hardware / Software / Training / Army / Navy / Air Force / Elite Forces / Mean Assault Riffle / Wast Land Attack Helicopter ) what more can Britain be leading in.
Certainly not manpower! we've a smaller army than greece
@@Bigdangleebles size means fuck all.
I know that Oman will show some interest in the T26 and T31 frigates. This is because the Uk has had a long standing relationship with Oman dating back to the Mid 20th century.
very good video quality. what camera?
The interviewer also visited Ivar Huitfeldt which you can find under this RUclips channel
Another great interview
These should be "Admiral class" vessels. First in class, HMS Nelson.
Good call, Though personally I think Thomas Cochrane was the Best British Admiral at using small Ships, Incredible Career and not just in the RN but as Admiral of the Chilean, Brazilian and Greek Fleets
I’m personally in favour of the “Hero Class” or something of a similar name.
HMS Winston S Churchill
Or
HMS Margaret Thatcher
Perhaps the “Pudding Class”
HMS Yorkshire Pudding
HMS Black Pudding
HMS Blood Pudding
Or something like the “Cheese class” I really would love to see
HMS Cheddar
HMS Wensleydale
HMS Stilton
HMS Cornish Blue
HMS Brie
We need more frigate and more aircraft carriers 🇬🇧
Oh right how many countries have 2 full sized aircraft carriers?!
We don't have the recruits to crew them.
Great interview! Keep it up
What is happening to UK......uk government is the biggest corruption in the world. .largest MILITARY budget. .know MILITARY EQUIPMENT..know ..AIRCRAFT carriers. .know MILITARY ship ...know unclear weapons.....fighting JET.......uk MILITARY is not up to 3 million PERSONNEL....uk is dead. ..IRAN well destroyed uk.....Russia well well make uk land farm land.......dead NATION without SECURITY.......dead NATION without head of state....dead nationa without vision.......A NATION with largest budget. But No MILITARY EQUIPMENT.....RIP....IRAN well SEIZED uk very soon.....dead NATION
@@solomonsolomon9782
.....thanks for that....certified idiot.
@@solomonsolomon9782 I beseech anyone to find a finer command of the Anglo-Saxon tongue in a RUclips comment..
Does anyone else think our navy was depleted due to being in Europe and the concept of a European navy. How did we manage to have a substantial fleet thirty years ago but there is no money for it now.
Maybe we couldn't afford it ?
@@daveandmerlin you sound like a remoaner. We lost a substantial fleet and boats in that time. This was because of consecutively biased governments to Europe. What's the point of having a large fleet when you combine all the sea faring members of the EU for a super navy.
@@danimortiboys8260 you shouldn't jump to conclusions about my vote to leave or stay in the EU . At the end of the day the Country hasn't got shed loads of spare cash so we could never afford the Armed forces we once had .. .have you ever considered how much it costs to build and maintain compared to 50 or even 30 years ago ?
EU and NATO are two different pairs of shoes. One has nothing to do with the other. Although Britain wants to leave the EU, there remains an obligation to contribute to NATO. We have the same problem in Germany. Not enough was invested in new military equipment for too long. Now everything comes at once and therefore saving is sometimes more expensive than spending a little more money at the right time.
@@danimortiboys8260 about 30 years ago there was an event that tells you why our fleet is smaller now.
People seem not to understand how much stronger the USSR with the warsaw pact was than just Russia.
The type 21 all over again.
T31 is the perfect fit for the role. As Prest said, it's the general workhorse of the fleet. counter piracy, counter narcotics, scouting, screening etc. The T45 and T26 are too specialised for those roles. Despite being outstanding ships in their respective roles, they're not suited to grunt work. The T31 is.
Imagine how many ships could be built over 15yrs if foreign aid was scrapped.
All countries provide foreign aid you idiot. It is for defence purposes as well.
@@jieshengli9841 But not to the level the UK does, cutting it a little, to the level that other Europeans nations do could release some funds.
@@jieshengli9841 WE give a shit ton of money to India, and what do they do? Build a crappy space programme... All of this while half their country is in poverty
Everyone complaining, the Type 31 is planned to be a general purpose frigate. A main gun, a few miniguns, maybe a CIWS and say 24-32 Sea Ceptor is enough for what the RN wants them for. The higher end stuff like carriers escort, anti submarine, anti air warfare etc will be handled by a fleet of least 14 Type 45's and Type 26's.
I agree.
This obsession with specifying all ships to fight wars that have not happened and will probably never happen, is hitting what we actually do.
The plastic speedboats of the Iranians that are currently making us look twats do not need much to discourage them.They just require more than one ship on station in the Straits of Hormuz.
These T31s are good enough to do the job.Just please make more of them and sell them abroad.which is part of what T31 is about.
@@billycaspersghost7528 Iranian speedboats making us look like twats? I think not. They have been driven off over a hundred times pointlessly, they are wasting everybody's time.
Current T31 fit plan is more than enough to shred them- an automatic high explosive broadside of three bofors guns, as well as miniguns and gpmgs.
The Iranian speedboats have harassed and planted limpet mines.
That British flagged tanker was taken ,if not by the little speedboats ,by the Iranians while the single RN ship was too far away to do anything other than radio.
It could have used lethal force but that would been a ridiculous escalation.
Shredding is the option you would not have to use if you were actually present as an escort.Hence T31 with proportional fit and hopefully sufficient numbers.(otherwise what`s the point of a cheaper ship?)
If you got the sense of my post I was saying exactly what you say as regards the T31 fit and purpose against all the people who are knocking T31.
More than adequate for the level of threat posed by all real situations.
THis is not just the Gulf but all practical naval needs.
We are wrong to spec. all our defence on the far fetched presumption of a war with a first rate technical power.
Same goes for aircraft.We fight tribesmen with planes out of starwars.
Turboprop ground attack plane would be plenty.
@@billycaspersghost7528 Indeed Stena Impero was lost, but it was hardly the fault of the RN and everybody knows that. The Iranians were lucky, and the British government was incompetent. Things have changed now anyway and they stand no chance of a repeat. Other than that I agree, and even though this is a second rate Frigate by RN standards it's still a fantastic platform.
@@billycaspersghost7528 while I agree we often use over spec'd planes for the mission, I think it's drones taking there place rather than a cheaper manned aircraft.
I am Peruvian, yes, Perú can buy Type 31 Leander frigates or another model, and we could also buy Challenger 2 tanks from England because they are good candidates for Peru. I will not comment more on military channels. I have already stopped publishing on military channels. because I am busy, that is why I publicize in this way, now due to future wars for water and natural resources in Latin America Peru must buy all kinds of heavy military material from any country in this case English frigates and tanks I would say they are the best candidates for Peruvian armed forces, Peru used British military weapons in the Cenepa armed conflict we used British Canberra fighter-bombers It should be noted that Peru shot down 7 aircraft to Ecuador and Ecuador shot down 6 aircraft to Peru, but Peru won because we Peruvians kept territory Tiwintza, returning to the theme of the Type 31 Leander frigates
England offered Peru these frigates to replace the Peruvian fleet that is made up of the lupo class, consolidating renewal and to arm the Peruvian armed forces, I understand that it can be built in SIMA PERU, and
Technology transfer can be done with Bae Systems, Cammell Laird, they are partners, they won an international tender in 2020, I understand that the cost of the Type 31 Leander Frigate is 350 million dollars, the FREMM frigates
The F-100 Frigates of Spain are between 850 and 900 million euros
It is not 400 or 600 million euros as some say, the FREMM frigates are very expensive from 700 million or more in euros, they are also expensive a cruise ship sank a ship from Venezuela coming from Navantia Spain, that is why the best candidate for the Navy of Peru is the English frigate Type 31
Leander is modern, it has good technology for the Peruvian Navy we must acquire when there is a budget later the Type 31 Leander 1, 2 or 4 English frigates, depending on the budget that Peru has and in terms of the English Challenger 2 tanks They are good candidates for the Peruvian Army and Peruvian Armed Forces. The price per unit is 5 or 7 million dollars. Its cost is around there. It has good armor, good technology, and is considered one of the best tanks in the world. It is also expensive, but it is a good tank, I think it weighs 62.5 tons, but it has a lot of armor and it also has real combat experience used in Iraq, the important thing is that it has been used in combat I think they have 148 tanks
the country Oman also uses these tanks, hopefully Peru and England reach an agreement later and a new Peruvian president buys about 60 Challenger 2 tanks this would be accompanied by the construction of hospitals and schools, the United Kingdom is also the main responsible for
the reconstruction of the North of Peru
by British companies. Regarding the tank candidates for Peru, all tanks, whether new or second-hand, are expensive, maintenance is expensive, the Peruvian military has already said that they will never buy tanks from Russia again, Black tanks South Korean Panthers are expensive, they are 85 million dollars and on top of that it is very expensive to pay more than necessary and they still do not export to other countries due to their high cost, French Lecrerc tanks are just as expensive everyone knows that in France nothing is cheap, after Turkish Altay tanks no because a Turk refused to sell new ships to Peru in the Pacific war Peru and Turkey have a good alliance but when it comes to buying tanks or spare parts, components there could be problems with the Turks, Merkava IV Israel no transfer technology and there would be problems in the bidding and the Abrams tank from the United States not because everyone already knows the Americans, even though you are an allied country of the United States, they impose restrictions and prohibitions to all, Peru is an ally of
United States, a Peruvian ambassador named Rivera Shreiber warned the US months before the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Peruvian was honored in the US now returning to the subject, that is why the best candidate for the Peruvian Army is the English tank challenger 2 Hopefully when Peru has a budget with a new Peruvian president, Peru
buy Type 31 Leandre frigates or another model and name them Martin George Guisse and Miguel Grau,
British Englishman George Guisse was the founder of the Peruvian Navy with Jose de San Martín
The Englishman George Guisse fought against France, he also fought against Napoleon Bonaparte and later he fought against the Spanish,Another thing would also be good to buy Challenger 2 tanks and name William Guillermo Miller and Francisco Bolognesi, because the English William Guillermo Miller was the designer of the Peruvian military uniform of what is now the Peruvian Army, Miller helped José de San Martín to liberate Peru in its independence, Peru has a lot of influence, English doctrine and tradition, British Miller fought in the battle of Waterloo, and also the English Guillermo Miller fought in the battle of Junín and Ayacucho, which were very important battles for independence of Peru, here in Peru there are always magazines and a lot of information saying that the English empire supported Peru to free itself from the Spanish empire, that is, it is obvious that we Peruvians are accepting England and George Guisse as Liberators of Peru because if not in Peru we would not they would be putting a lot of information about this and would say that independence was bought, which is not the case, it is already proven that independence
England and the English did many things for Peru, as I have said on other occasions, although Simón Bolívar is the Liberator of Peru, England, the United Kingdom, the English people, and Argentina and the Argentine people are also the liberators of Peru. Although it is true that Peru and England are enemies, I say this because the English, the Falklands War, the Pacific War and the Pacocha battle are almost always talked about.
I am Peruvian, this is the user Bomba atomica Racso and T-Rex, go back to watch military-themed channels with this user, this will be published on military channels, the Peruvian government believes that in 1975 to 1978, the Peruvian government wanted to acquire a aircraft carrier to England when Peru could have declared war on Chile, the English government had no impediment and the English said that if they could sell the aircraft carrier to Peru, Peru had the English Canberra fighter bombers and the Hawk Hunter to attack Chile, the English demonstrated once again
that Peru and England are allies, the error came later with Belaunde Terry, who put Peru in the Malvinas, which Peru should have been neutral to improve the military alliance between Peru and England.
Peru must be neutral and never get involved in the Malvinas conflict again.
In the Pacific War and England's supposed financing of Chile in the Pacific War, I understand that England actually financed Peru and Chile, but the traitor Prado did not want to fully arm Peru, that is why we stopped being financed by England, In fact, the Huascar ship from Peru was English, Bolivia was the only country that was not financed by the English, and England also retained two ships from Chile and Peru during the Pacific War, apparently England was neutral, also that Prado was of Chilean origin I betray leaving unarmed and bankrupt
With very little weapons, we had nothing on us. Prado fled from Peru. finally england
the English founded from cities, banks, companies, schools, Inca kola drink, they even made football popular in Peru among many other things, etc. Thanks to England, Peru and Peruvians exist without England, Peru would not exist, it would continue to be a colony of Spain. This is reality, everyone knows this, that is why England should be the new liberator of Peru, and make the English language official.
in Peru in honor of England, Peruvians would speak in English and Spanish who knows this could happen in the future who knows because the reality is that England, George Guisse, José de San Martín and Simón Bolívar would continue to be the liberators of Peru, perhaps in the future England becomes the new liberator of Peru and history can be taught in schools and in all parts of Peru. Finally to add the British admiral Frederick Stirling, the French Du Petit Thouars, the Italian commander Labrano, as well as the ministers plenipotentiary of Great Britain and France, intervened to prevent Lima from being violently taken. You can see another support from England to Peru, in addition to Englishmen, Englishmen and Italians fought against Chilean soldiers in Lima, one or more Englishmen died in real combat and also Italians died in combat, also English sailors and Italian sailors landed due to the obvious attack Chilean. occupation in Lima, I understand that in the battle of San Juan and Chorrillos Peru used British Nordenfelt machine guns,
In addition, it is all interests, in any case England supported Peru in the Pacific War I hope that in the future Peru and England improve the military and economic alliance
Greetings from Lima,Perú!
The Admiral Class
what is dufferent 45 31 26?
Ahhhh Bugger!..Adam Cottrell!..Your totally correct..Type 26, not 31! I messed it up, sorry, however, there have been complaints from Australian DOD about British downsizing of the ships capabilities and they are holding you Brits to the oridinal contracts..If it goes ahead at all now!
Fair enough pal. I have absolutely no information about the Type 26 being downgraded at all & I have various subscriptions to defence sites. The first two for the Royal navy have already had their steel cut with the first starting to take shape, so if you're talking about physical downsizing that is incorrect, if you're talking about a downsizing of capability that is also incorrect. Being a modular design the Australian & Canadian government will have their own specifications which will differ from the Royal navy requirements so each ship will be fitted to the required specifications. The type 26 is certainly not an off the shelf, what you get is what you get, design, it also has lots of scope to modify easily during mid-life refit, etc.
The type 31 is a general purpose frigate of which the Royal navy will be ordering 5 initially. It will still be a very capable frigate but not as advanced as a type 26. There's already quite abit of interest from abroad apparently from countries like New Zealand where the Type 26 might be seen as overkill for their needs. I expect the Type 31 will exceed the Type 26 in export numbers eventually.
@@adamcottrell6454 I doubt there will be more Type 31 exported than the 24 already planned Type 26. But we should get to build some of the Type 31s ourselves.
Quit the made up bullshit for attention.
More ships are needed. Lider class comparable would be nice.
Honestly all these frigates with no armour wont win us the sea war in the South China sea. We need armoured battleships with cruise missiles to replace the big guns and ray guns. These frigate will be sunk by land based missiles before there able go do anything of use. We need tough ships able to defend against mass missile attacks and ships that can take beatings these iPads on trawlers literally get sank crashing into trawlers. I really think we are over reaching how capable an aircraft carrier squadron will be when all the ships defending the carrier have little to no armor. The missile defence systems on these ships isn't proven to actually defend them against mass missile attacks. The ships need to be able to take 10 -15 direct hits and keep powering on.
Hms Medway looks huge for a patrol ship 😲
Get building . Don't stop there . More ships . Less waste of money on foreign aid .
About time Britney starting to wake back up from your 40 years slumber
Viking Class
The Long Boat Class
Good Work...5+5....S.V.P.
Prest on?
Listen to what the defence Experts (Francis Tusa, Ex Admiral etc) say about Britain attempting to build a budget warship for £250mil. Its going to be lacking in certain areas. Last time we built budget warships made of aluminium... Well we know what happened there in '81
I'm hearing "Fitted for but not with" all over again ... Didn't we learn anything from the Falklands? Only the language has changed, 'upgradeability', 'future proofing' evolving challenges' blah blah blah...7,000 tons with a main gun 1/2 the size of a tank cannon on 70 tons. ..And didnt I hear the 1st sea Lord say fairly recently that the later type 42's like HMS Gloucester were the ship the 42's should have been ALL ALONG. And that the Dukes are fine frigates that were built in the light of experience in the Falklands, which goes some way to explaining their success, good design, and weapons capability from the outset. These later ships seem like a retrograde step in many ways. Am I missing something?
what does he keep looking at, is there an admiral watching or something concentrate on what you're doing lol
Some military guys I've met often look around who is near them. Probably training looking out for threats?
Is his uniform proper?
Maybe that's why he is figiting.
It’s lit
Hey great DONT YOU GUYS EVER QA MEDIA BEFORE YOU UPLOAD IT ??? 1:48 edit fail, end of clip audio level change CRAP
hope one will be named HMS Winchester
We need 12 of them how can we protect those carriers it’s been carts before the horse madness
The type 45s were built to protect them and are supported by the type 23. There's no gap, just as you go along the escorts will get better.
David Houseman well everything that’s available to support them seems to be passing gib for the straits of hormuz
T31 250 mil will see this ship woefully underarmed
We are on the cusp of leaving the eu, quit giving our money away, start recruiting crew members and pay them well, now build more!
Why not turn the p23 into a missle fast attack ship make sence and cheaper
Max gold
don't worry we will build great ships in Glasgow.and Scotland will not!! be leaving the Union
Time will tell.
3:56 not aggressive enough.
25 knots !! the Danish edition the Iver Huitfeldt class goes from 0 to 30 knots in 120 seconds, she has been clocked at 31 knots in inland Danish waters, what she can do on the high seas I do not know, but about 25 knots is not true
@richard smith but it is the same ship
How late and over budget will these be we must get them in to service as soon as possible by that I mean ferrying imagrants across the channel
Poor sod! I feel sorry for him having to spout that line as professionally as he does. Because most of what he describes is NOT work for a contemporary frigate at all, but merely a corvette at most. In short then, we're only going to have 14 top end units to protect both carriers AND any amphibious forces we may need to deploy, AND to undertake any single ship 'crisis' deployments that may actually require significant combat capabilities as well. For the rest, we're getting just five overpriced, oversized corvettes/OPVs to chase pirates and drug smugglers, keep the Argies quiet, and maybe play tag with Iranian fast attack craft... and not even very well armed or protected corvettes, either! ROT our vile bureaucrats and politicians to HELL.
Massive waste of money by the government by choosing the type 26. They should've ordered more small type 31 frigates. And then give them a proper warship armament.
GSTQ!
Accents have changed
Drop type 31 and purchase the riverclass with improved weapons. This would allow UK to build far more T26 which are far better. T31 do nothing well.
You are joking ..far to small no room for growth. ..The 31 is by far the best choice.
@@loyalist5736 t31 would not be capable of taking on a Chinese frigate let alone a cruiser so a river class could be deployed to areas with low risk patrolling. Having a t26 that has options to use upto 72 missiles with adaption upto 96 would be far better. If you had just 10 t26 your options would increase for ACC fleet protection and single patrols when some are in maintenance. So no im not joking. Having a multipurpose vessel (t31)that has little ability to either defend the fleet or itself is pointless. Its does nothing well.
@@llamudos9809 The Type 31 has room to mount as many weapons as you want ...As for the Riverclass there is no room even to store a helicopter which is very important let alone other weapons systems.
@@loyalist5736 The t31 will only have upto 24 cells on it max (more likely 12). This is under armed when comapared to China or Russia who deploy 96 cells+. Having two CIWS is hardly providing cover for an ACC or being able to defend or attack an enemy frigate. The enemy will not wait for UK to upgrade its A2A, AsG or A2s system in a middle of conflict? Do you get my point? The t31 is good at nothing. t31 frigates would likely only be able to take on a something far less capable than a frigate. The t31 could not fight its way out of a paper bag reallistically. You wouild need a t45 or t26 so i do not see the point of cheap and chearful class? This ludicrous idea that the missile systems can just be dropped into a redundant bay in a matter of hours is false. These system are not plug and play.
@@loyalist5736 Given the frequency of anti-ship missile firings you’ll sling everything you have at it at the furthest possible range, and keep firing until its killed. The last thing you want is for a missile to get close where terminal manoeuvres will dramatically compromise gun firing solutions.
The t31 would likely spend its entire time fleeing to re-arm that is a stupid concept.
Don't sell to anyone else
Too much capability?🙂
Is the royal navy still a b.s. force with more admirals than ships?
Explain
@@oliver8928 that last time I looked we had more admirals than true combat ships is this still true?
john Thatcher 41 admirals and how many battleships? Yes, sad but true.
@MI6 no British
@@oudloek approx 72 ship of which 25 approx are proper war ships ( not subs ).
So seems like a top heavy too many chiefs not enough Indians.
☀️👁👁🔼
Tell me when the british military are ever at full capacity. Far as i am aware never.
WW2?
@@davidhouseman4328 you have to be off your trolley. Thats why there was lease lend plus 90% of the RN ships were built during the ww1.and not up to scratch. Using armed merchant ships with 4inch guns. Yea
@@barbaradyson6951 I don't mean the beginning of WW2, German subs ended up smashed, DDay supported and then we had carriers round at Okinawa.
@@davidhouseman4328 the brits have never been ready military wise. Ww1 ww2 koŕea boneo malay suez oman the list goes on and on and most of the time the troops were undermined.
@@barbaradyson6951 WW1 I think we were ready. We aren't a continental power to have a large standing army.
WW2 less so, but there was preparation of production which was key to the in on the end.
Retreat from empire would always be painful as by definition we were a diminishing empire.
Why are we building all these ships in Scotland, they want their independence, keep the knowhow and business in England
That's not correct, we voted to stay and we have always built ships for the royal navy and that will not change for a very long time.
@@emonhunter8107 Right but its not like you keep voting SNP whose main goal is independence, they even want another referendum. Once Scotland is independent England will need to regain the knowhow, an expensive time consuming process.
@@TayebMC I am Scottish and I can admit there is definitely a feeling of wanting independence however there is an even greater feeling of unionism, especially with Scots that are interested in joint operations with England such as the royal navy. Most Scots think the SNP are rather stupid and a bit annoying. As for me personally I really hope we sont go independent as I want to join the royal navy and I would greatly appreciate it if there was still a Scottish part in it.
Makes me laugh when he is cagey about top speed "up above 25 knots " " high 20s in terms of speed " who cares ??25 knots or 35 knots makes NO DIFFERENCE at all to an anti ship missle or the type of ordanance that would be deployed to take out this ship . . pointless being elusive about certain specifications that have no bearing on giving the enemy any type of knowledged based advantage.(which imo top speed does not )
Speed makes a huge difference for naval ships because of one factor.
Attack submarines.
@@RR-us2kp not really -the ordance that submarines use these days aint like ww2 with a clock timer or anticipating where the ship will be after a 2000 yeard journey for a ancient torpedo . The smart toprpedos today can even be programmed to recognise an individual ships noise from a data base so top speed aint gonna outrum anything launched at it under the water or above it .
Wow that was so boring
J+ Makes you wonder why you watched it?
It will be called EU MEDWAY in a few years
Yeah, no.
probaly the dumbest comment from the dumbest nationalist