I was there in person. When each score came up on the board, the placement number was right beside it! Every person there, including her coaches, could see she qualified in 4th. If her coaches say they didn't know it, then they were NOT paying attention.
Submitting the Inquiry when she was already in EF with the 4th qualifying score was beyond stupid. With that being said, her ring leaps have always been iffy. I *really* hope she works to get those leaps looking as beautiful as the rest of the routine. The judges were a bit strict, but the beam judges were brutal in all of Qualifying. Maybe in EF should would have gotten credit. She was in the last subdivision, so there was literally no point in the inquiry.
She was not robbed. Come on, the skill is so important, and represents lots of difficulty and connection value. It's not bad at all to demand a proper execution!.
Leaving in problematic ring skills in combination and then going on the inquiry a EF qualifier score is just plain dumb... I blame the coaches entirely
I'm no expert, but I have to agree with the downgrade. Kara has lovely rhythm, and the way she truly dance across the beam is great to watch, but her ring leaps are a serious issue. She does not hit them consistently, and even when she does hit, it's only just barely. As frustrating as this is for her, I hope she and her coaches can learn from it and either work hard to get the ring leaps to look the way they should, or replace them with a different element that she isn't so iffy on.
I think of this incident as a blessing in disguise.. Imagine if this was the olympics?! Now she will work even harder and with more determination and fire to make it to tokyo and medal at the event finals. Maybe third time’s the charm for her? who knows
Declan Tanner nationals are always overscored compared to worlds/olympics. I understand why this year’s nationals crediter her rings cause kara scored decently last year’s worlds. I still have high hopes for Kara next year.
@@encoremysteries2428 yeah I thought so. She really needs to work on her ring positions and that mount or just change them to a new skill entirely that she is consistently doing. I really hope that if she makes the Olympic team that she doesn't mess up in the Olympics
Totally agree! That's exactly how I'd describe it - awkward. She'd be better off standing still and doing an obvious jump rather than trying to connect some weird leap/jump that just looks odd. What's with the washing the floor choreo? I think that looks awkward too. It would be nice to see some side shots of her downgraded ring jumps.
@@jenm6814 it's crazy. Well known big nation gymnasts get hit. Melnikova had to take hers out (very smart) and I think Kara needs to do the same if she doesn't get over her fear
Judges: OK Kara, this time we'll let some of your rings pass and give you the CR, but be careful next time. USA: no, no, actually we want a review of the score, look it again please. Judges: oh really, so do you want a review, right?
i'm really sorry because i usually love Kara, but...this time i really have to agree with the judges and the other people. The ring skills were pretty 'ew' (yes, they were never perfect but there was a point in which i really thought that she was improving), she wasn't so confident with herself and her coach was a bit stupid to submit an inquiry when she already qualified and was in the last subdivision. For the love of god, please, put out of the routine those skills or either work harder to improve them. (although i must say i feel a bit bad for Kara)
This was karma's way of putting pretentious coaches (Fongs) in their place for being greedy! Sadly it affected Kara, however if she pushed for an inquiry too, well accept it and correct it! There literally was no reason other than pride to get the score adjusted; last up, last event, last subdivision and you qualified in 4th to finals! Should've accepted it and read the judges notes and applied it for the competition where medals were being handed out! There was literally nothing on the line at the time!
Yea I mean, everything could have happened in the final - falls, mistakes... She could have won a medal. The coaches seem overconfident about her routine and how she is percieved by the judges.
This was SO well deserved. We always complained about how her rings WEREN’T RINGS AT ALL but they still kept crediting them as rings. Now justice was made. I am sorry for Kara, I know she trained very much. But come on, don’t put a freaking ring leap in your series if you CAN’T do it! That’s illogical! Her coaches should have know that something like this would happen someday. Well, it happened! Also, it’s so stupid to submit an inquiry WHEN YOU’RE already classified!
They were cocky, thinking they were entitled to get credited for those rings, so they inquired. I'm also happy they punished her for those fake rings. I remember back in 1996 where the Americans had atrocious form on their leaps. The Chinese had magnificent leaps and stunning amplitude on their skills, yet it didn't reflect on the scores whatsoever. They are moving in the right direction now.
@@Zarumaans I agree. It's a classic case of being humbled. They get scored high domestically. Got cocky. But she doesn't do it right, and got scored internationally and it's brutal but it's the right decision. Either she can learn from it rightfully or...
I can kind of understand, because if the routine was scoring lower than expected, it's kind of important for the athlete to understand why, so they can hopefully fix whatever issues are causing that. She wanted to medal on beam in the event final, so they probably wanted to know beforehand how the judges were assessing her d-score.
Adela Šajn I’m sorry but I call BS on that. There was a huge screen with what their placement and score was. And correct me if I’m wrong, but she was the last to go before Simone. So all of this is just weird
Okay so now I watch this I totally understand why the change leg was downgraded, the angle isn't great for the ring leap at the start but fair if the judges had a better view. What really annoys me about this is the composition ... wouldn't her coaches know that rings are risky? So not give her elements that would risk getting repeated? She wasn't counting the switch leap as part of her routine anyway. But I still feel really bad for Kara:(
If I was her, I will change my coaches. She was qualified for the final, it was the last subdivision! Besides, every body told about her ring leaps are questionnable every time. are they stupid? I don't like her style but I feel very bad for this girl.
rio2016 IKR, when I saw that she qualified for the 4th place I was quite happy for her because she will go as the last in final. Then her stupid coach decided to submit an inquiry.
her coach claimed she didnt know Kara was already in event finals and wouldnt have submitted an inquiry if she knew... how there wasnt someone from USAG keeping track I dont understand. They potentially just blew a chance for Kara to redeem herself from last years beam final.
@@marissahanson2761 I don't believe her coach. Do you think she will tell to every body that she did a big mistake? The score board was very clear qualified at the 4th place with no American behind her. Simone was the last to go. The coach was too much confident, that's all.
@@rio-mh6eo I'm not sure what to believe. If its true she knew and still went for the inquiry, Kara should switch gyms asap. I get wanting your athlete to get the best score possible but its not worth it in an EF. I know Al changed his coaching style but theres still something that doesnt sit right with me about GAGE...
She really messed up going to last years worlds. She should have did what Jade Carey and AT LEAST give herself the option to go to the Olympics as an individual
I think she’ll still be an individual..though she is one of the best All-arounders, I think once they fix her routine composition (which could be 6.6+ if they do it smart) she’ll be in the mix for sure
The vid replay is slowed down during rescore, so what was given be benefit of the doubt gets removed. My friend sent me the inquiry rule. It says the score can be held, moved up or moved down. You don't get to keep the same score and hope it goes up. Everything is tossed back and recalculated from scratch. Personally, this would have not been the routine for a slow mo rescore to me. If nothing else, FIG used Brooklyn and Kara as examples to the more successful programs, do not waste our time with inquires, if it's just padding the score. I doubt a gymnast from Cyprus or Moldova would have been dragged so hard. Thanks for the vid! Bitter we won't see Brooklyn's FX.
There is Artificial intelligence now so they have a multi angle view on the routine for inquiries. And Cyprus or Moldova wouldn't have risked losing 300$ for an inquiry
look......i’m not one to say “i told you so,” but i’ve been telling the Kara stans since day one that her ring leaps will probably only skate past the judges 50% of the time at best. i like the idea of her routine and if she and her coaches at GAGE had worked on those rings i would stan, but she has zero chance at an olympic medal at this point.
I said the same thing when Eaker fans tried to call me hateful for saying her beating Simone at a training camp was a fluke and due only to Simone's mistakes, USA scoring, or both. And here were are, with the exact things happening at Worlds that you and I both said would happen. 🙄😂
@@blakegillpuente3904 some people in the gymnastics community (ahem...the stan community) will pick a random gymnast to latch onto and claim that they're perfect, and everyone critical of them is just a hater or some shit. it's so bizarre
I don't hate Kara in anyway, but everyone knew it was unfair fully crediting her rings the whole season, then add a prepotent inquiry to make it even higher. Honestly, I thought it was satisfying and a bold decision from jury.
Maybe this is a wake up call before tokyo to ditch some of the risky skills that are not even getting their value , and construct her routine in a way she is consistent and not hammered by the judges , because i feel her reputation as a specialist for tokyo is fading , they wont risk a spot out of 4 for a specialist that might not deliver or just for a couple extra tenths ...i mean i felt really sad when that happened to her , a lil dumb for her coaches to request and inquiry when she already qualified, i know they wanted to see what to improve for finals but now there is no finals
I've never understood how the D-Panel can revise a score (up or down) after an inquiry has been submitted without considering the E-score. For example, here Kara's rings were probably downgraded to split leaps because her back foot was lower than shoulder level. But if the E-panel thought she received credit for a ring (judged her foot at or above shoulder level), they should have deducted for foot at or below head level and insufficient arch/head release. But those deductions would not be proper for a split leap. Can anybody explain?
Is it possible, since Kara has very good turning form and great flexibility, to replace a few iffy leaps and jumps from the ring position with another E element? Like a split leap 1/1 (2.501) or a Johnson 1/2 (2.506)? Or maybe even a wolf jump/hop 1 1/2 (2.512)? Of course, they'd be new elements to her, perhaps, but they might tip the judges favor if the coaches can take away the grey areas in which to deduct.
Kara: there are so many other skills you can perform, why do THREE variations on a skill you are poor at? It makes no sense. Do an easy double and triple wolf turn like everyone else and call it a day.
Okay so QUESTION - How long after the competition can the coaches see, the scoring sheet or judges panel, in order to see what was deducted? Can they see it that night after competition, right after that rotation? Next day? When can they see the rundown of what the judges took?
Thank you! It would be so interesting to see/know the D of the composition they were going for. It seems to vary so widely from vault where the D score is so simple. I remember having some days when I would make all my connections and be on, and other days it just wasn’t happening. Fascinating how variable it gets! Poor Kara!
I agree her ring leaps need to be worked on, but since her D score was originally higher,had the judges originally credited them? What did the coaches think needed to be fixed- what did they think she was not given credit for? All I could think were connections. Kara is a beautiful gymnast, so I hope she can work on the rings or change the composition of the routine to score higher without ring leaps.
Thanks but I really would have liked to see slow Mo or pictures like in the thumb nail that show the rings and why they weren't credited - I get it in general but it would be useful to see here because I don't feel like in this case I really can see with my untrained eye
99ilana in a ring leap there are rules: the head must be back, the back foot should be at least at head/shoulder height, the back leg bent to 90degrees.
@@MaryMary-ov6kl thanks, that's good to know. It would be good to see a picture of where she went wrong - was it that her back foot wasn't high enough? Back leg bent? Front foot?
99ilana I’m not a gymnast but have been watching for years. When slowed down her back foot get to 90 but her front leg isn’t straight yet. When she gets to 180 with her legs her back knee is not bent to 90 anymore. Typically with a ring jump the foot/ feet will touch the back of your head.
I disagree with the downgrade but the execution score should've been lower due to the body shape deduction on each of those rings. She should not have been discredited of a leap series because she had one and should've poor rhythm deduction instead.
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Yes, when they downgraded her switch ring earlier to a switch leap, that nullified the switch leap in her intended leap series, which then nullified the leap series altogether.
Submit a inquiry when you're already qualified is not only stupid, is something more!! come on everyone knows that her rings are far away from what it should be, the only ones that still thinking that what she does is a ring leap are her coachs! please someone put Kara's coachs to watch Flavia Saraiva or Anna Pavlova doing a ring leap for then to see how a ring leap really looks like.
Thank you for making this very informative video- great job! I do have a question that makes me concerned about the expertise of beam judges.Why didn't they see these deductions during the competition? And if they missed these deductions on Kara, how many other scores would have been greatly changed due to a 2nd look?
Technically, it wasn't a deduction, it was a devalue (they can't change the execution score after the fact). And it was actually only one thing they modified, it just so happened that that one change had a major impact on the routine's difficulty score.
She has quite a lot more arm waving and posing than I've seen in a while. Reminded me of the Gogean/Khorkina era beam routines where it was 3/4 posing and posturing.
Your videos are great but a little more explanation would be good. I.e what requirement was she missing in the second scoring? And it would be good to see the scores side by side at the end. I know I've watched it twice but her routine seems to go on forever.
The coaches should have realised why the D score was so low but could easily have checked after the competition. They did not have to submit an official inquiry. Having found out what the problem was they could have then fixed that problem for EF just like they did for the team final.
Can someone explain what a "D" is and what connection value is, and why her performance was bad? I'm new to gymnastics so I dont really understand, thankss!!
The D score evaluates how hard the skills in the routine are. Skills are ranked by letters, so the easiest skills are A level and the harder ones I think go till i but I could be wrong. If you connect skills, this makes the routine more difficult so they add points for the connection.
Tbh I think everyone should stop blaming her coaches. It was a silly mistake, but they really only wanted the best for her. Like I know they should’ve thought it through more but kara was clearly confused with it and they just wanted her to get the highest score she could
Her coaches keep messing up. Not only did they inquire after she made the beam final but they also let leanne wong do a 3½ twist(which she has been having trouble on) and triple twist in the same rutine. Which can(and did) cause a problem with her d score when she only did the triple
Why is Kara’s composition requirment only 1.5? What was the requirement that she didn’t do. This is really shocking. From a potential 6.8 difficulty, then downgraded to 5.4.
Can somebody tell what’s the difference between switch leap and change leg? I honestly thought before watching this video that those skills are the same.
Her split ring leap definitely shouldn’t be credited but it’s surprising that at least in 2018 world team trial she hit her split jump ring and her switch ring and her back leg is actually at her shoulder height but in 2019 she just doesn’t hit her ring, her rings were always questionable but it was at least should have been credited in 2018
I like her style but I'm not really a fan but I disagree with the downgrade and leap series requirement. First, she didn't put her foot down and connect it into another leap. Her ring elements should not have been downgraded because it looks like a decent ring but it should've been a 5 tenths worth of deduction each for insufficient arch, rear foot at shoulder height, and insufficient split.
How is it insane? It's all according to the rules. Are you expecting the judges to credit those rings when they clearly aren't up to par? Without the ring skills credited she won't stand a chance at winning gold anyway 🙄
@@flfm6736 This Jojo account is always biased towards American and hateful towards Russian and other countries. I can see where Chanel Oberlin is coming from.
Gowreeshthespicegirl Gymfan lol I know who Jojo is and now YOU all are biased. She always being nice to all gymnasts. But of course you only can see bad things. And of course she will love/protect/etc American gymnast MORE than gymnast from any country BECAUSE SHE IS AMERICAN! That natural. And you gowreesh is one of the most annoying persons the whole RUclips (with Chanel oberlin). That WAS insane but that WAS fair.
MultiChantal22 she has never been hateful. She only was "hateful" to Russians (so it wasn't even hate) while trying to insult gowreesh/Chanel oberlin - like persons
Basically the judges saying that the ring leaps aren’t good. That’s what annoys me about her routine, those ring leaps. Especially the first one, I’m sorry but it’s awful
Im not a gymnast, but I used to be a figure skater. Isnt the ring leap quite impossible to handle properly directly after the mount? Is that why she is having trouble with it? It that natural follow up from the mount?
That was the best side flip I've ever seen. Maybe a little more graceful. Going a little fast too. I'd slow it down and be graceful. Great routine. Shes very confident.
I'd like a similar video explaining Brooklyn Moor's qualifying floor routine - her downgrade took her out of the event final as well. Thanks in advance!
@@Svartr.HrafnSvartr me too.Her music and choreography is gorgeous and I love her Podkopayeva. I think Nina has an ankle issue. She would have come in 8th probably anyway and I think Moors has a better shot!
The attempted skills weren't repeated. They only became "repeated" because she didn't get the first skill credited as a ring, it was downgraded to a leap, so when she then did the leap it was technically repeated even though she was trying a different skill. In the US competions (and Pan Ams) she got credit for the ring.
Very few inquiries are submitted in the qualifications.. her coach is quite silly to do this. If you don't trust the judges in such early stage, there may be no room for the gymnast to stay in the competition.
@@Brenttyboy but in the eyes of the judges, they not only take it as an inquiry but also a challenge to their professional judgement... that is humanity. I think the gymnast should avoid inquiry as possible here for their upmost benefit. Her lowered d score reflects what i say...
@@Trusova111 but Flavia inquired and her D score was raised putting her into EFs, so this is not always the case, in fact, its rare that they lower the score. Plus, they shouldn't take offense at it, and an entirely different panel judges the routine during an inquiry...
hi! new here & have a few questions (1) why does she only have a 1.5 for composition requirements? wouldn't that be an easy way to add .5? (2) what do the red highlighted skills mean?
So basically there are 4 x 0.5 requirements and one of those is a leap combination. Ordinarily, she has a switch leap to a switch 1/4 to fulfill this. But before this, she attempted a switch ring which wasn't credited and therefore was downgraded to a switch leap. And because you can't repeat a skill more than once (which is what the red means), her switch leap that was meant to be in her leap combo wasn't counted because she "had already done one". So that skill wasn't counted so she had no leap combo
@@gracesewell8961 i tought if there is a case with multiple interpretations, then the one that benefits the gymnast would be used. So instead of nulified the one in her leap searies, wasnt the one after mount that should be nulified ?
@@account366 i dont think i have ever heard that before but then again im not a gymnast, only a big fan. The judges dont give athletes the benefit of the doubt in things like these. You could say that about past judges who were much more lenient about skills but in this age, if you don't do the skill properly, then you dont get credit and can mess up your routine, no ifs or buts. (i hope this helps a bit :)
@@gracesewell8961 thanks, but just to clarify, if a gymnast performs a tkatchev, and then several giants, then tkatchev+geinger(+2 cv), which tkatchev is going to be credited?
EMBARRASSING! i thought she fell or something to get that bad score but its because of an inquiry? LMAO!! this is literally the first time i've seen an inquiry where the score goes down!! hahaha. her coaches must not be able to sleep at night
Really? Because itn also happened here to Brooklyn Moors. So embarassing? What are you 12? These young ladies work their asses off. Shes in the final anyways so HA
Her supposedly "switch ring" has been downgraded to a "switch leap" only. And she use switch leap to fullfil 2 dance elements (switch + switch 1/4). And the COP states that you cannot repeat a skill to fulfill CR (if she had done the leap series first, or got the switch ring credited, she would've got that additional 0.5 CR)
Because her ring jump got downgraded to a split leap, when she later did a split leap as part of a series it was a repeated skill so was discounted (not credited). That meant she wasn't credited the leap series at all, which is one of the required elements - hence her low composition score. The video doesn't explain it too well.
Miss Sunshine if they didn’t catch it the first time they should not be allowed to lower it. If they were .4 off then their judging shouldn’t be trusted anyways.
Miss Sunshine that makes no sense. You put in an inquiry because you think the judges undervalued your routine. They shouldn’t be allowed to devalue it even further. This opens up a lot of possibilities of judges purposefully undervaluing routines to deter people from putting in inquiries, which is what I believe happened here.
Her ring jumps more like sting jumps cuz they hurt my eyes. Al Fong, come on now. This ain't your first elite gymnast. Please fix these so she gets a better score.
What was her couch thinking!?! She was in the final, the score doesn't matter. Leave it alone and don't risk loosing points. Yikes. TBH I would be considering if my coach belonged at elite level after that one.
Her switch ring got downgraded to a switch split, so her *actual* switch split later got thrown out as a "repeated" skill -- basically, they treated it as if she hadn't done it at all. Since that was part of one of her requirements, she didn't get credit for that requirement.
I was there in person. When each score came up on the board, the placement number was right beside it! Every person there, including her coaches, could see she qualified in 4th. If her coaches say they didn't know it, then they were NOT paying attention.
Submitting the Inquiry when she was already in EF with the 4th qualifying score was beyond stupid. With that being said, her ring leaps have always been iffy. I *really* hope she works to get those leaps looking as beautiful as the rest of the routine. The judges were a bit strict, but the beam judges were brutal in all of Qualifying. Maybe in EF should would have gotten credit. She was in the last subdivision, so there was literally no point in the inquiry.
Mary Marro lol she wasn't. These were the worst rings she ever done. She lost her rhythm and confidence either
Mary Marro so what??? Kara's rings were worth than ever
She was not robbed. Come on, the skill is so important, and represents lots of difficulty and connection value. It's not bad at all to demand a proper execution!.
Did they lower her score after thd inquiry ?
yoyo ma Yes
Leaving in problematic ring skills in combination and then going on the inquiry a EF qualifier score is just plain dumb... I blame the coaches entirely
yes!
what is an inquiry? i'm still learning all this stuff haha
Julia Ostlund it’s like a complaint bc they think the d score should be higher, and then it gets recalculated
What is a ring skill ??
@@StacyA1000 split with back foot near head...i never see US gymnast have perfect ring split...
I'm no expert, but I have to agree with the downgrade. Kara has lovely rhythm, and the way she truly dance across the beam is great to watch, but her ring leaps are a serious issue. She does not hit them consistently, and even when she does hit, it's only just barely. As frustrating as this is for her, I hope she and her coaches can learn from it and either work hard to get the ring leaps to look the way they should, or replace them with a different element that she isn't so iffy on.
I think of this incident as a blessing in disguise.. Imagine if this was the olympics?! Now she will work even harder and with more determination and fire to make it to tokyo and medal at the event finals. Maybe third time’s the charm for her? who knows
I agree aeb however it would have been better to hammer her at the USA team trials a few weeks ago so this didn't happen at world's lol
Declan Tanner nationals are always overscored compared to worlds/olympics. I understand why this year’s nationals crediter her rings cause kara scored decently last year’s worlds. I still have high hopes for Kara next year.
Wasnt it last years worlds that she fell on her mount in ef or am I mistaking it with another competition
@@boluayo-farinloye9576 she's missed that mount in 3 big meets so far- including last year's worlds
@@encoremysteries2428 yeah I thought so. She really needs to work on her ring positions and that mount or just change them to a new skill entirely that she is consistently doing. I really hope that if she makes the Olympic team that she doesn't mess up in the Olympics
I have never liked her ring leap coming out of her mount. It just looks super awkward.
Totally agree! That's exactly how I'd describe it - awkward. She'd be better off standing still and doing an obvious jump rather than trying to connect some weird leap/jump that just looks odd. What's with the washing the floor choreo? I think that looks awkward too.
It would be nice to see some side shots of her downgraded ring jumps.
her rings should never have made any international competition, first of all
90% of the gymnasts throwing rings shouldn't get full credit. Lol
kara’s rings were bordering terrible, her coaches should have done something about it
emwafa that's what I'm thinking too. it's a shame that most gymnasts doing the same thing gets full credit.
@@jenm6814 it's crazy. Well known big nation gymnasts get hit. Melnikova had to take hers out (very smart) and I think Kara needs to do the same if she doesn't get over her fear
JoJo x exactly; they include politics in sports too. anyway, I'm happy for Italy's bronze medal and Philippines' Yulo's gold medal.
Judges: OK Kara, this time we'll let some of your rings pass and give you the CR, but be careful next time.
USA: no, no, actually we want a review of the score, look it again please.
Judges: oh really, so do you want a review, right?
Hahahahauah
All I know is if they underscore Flavia again in the finals I’m flying in and taking the dang judges for a coffee to see what this is all about
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I'll come with you for back up!!!
me too!
i'm really sorry because i usually love Kara, but...this time i really have to agree with the judges and the other people. The ring skills were pretty 'ew' (yes, they were never perfect but there was a point in which i really thought that she was improving), she wasn't so confident with herself and her coach was a bit stupid to submit an inquiry when she already qualified and was in the last subdivision.
For the love of god, please, put out of the routine those skills or either work harder to improve them.
(although i must say i feel a bit bad for Kara)
Golden_Leader 92 armyy
Golden_Leader 92 it wasn’t about the ring leaps
@@beautitudes well, that ring skill was downgraded so yeah, it was also about her rings. Not only, but they are quite a huge problem for her clearly.
One of them was still credited.
@@macuken exactly. ONE of them. But for a beam specialist that has more than one of those skills it's not really the best thing.
This was karma's way of putting pretentious coaches (Fongs) in their place for being greedy! Sadly it affected Kara, however if she pushed for an inquiry too, well accept it and correct it! There literally was no reason other than pride to get the score adjusted; last up, last event, last subdivision and you qualified in 4th to finals! Should've accepted it and read the judges notes and applied it for the competition where medals were being handed out! There was literally nothing on the line at the time!
Yea I mean, everything could have happened in the final - falls, mistakes... She could have won a medal. The coaches seem overconfident about her routine and how she is percieved by the judges.
This was SO well deserved. We always complained about how her rings WEREN’T RINGS AT ALL but they still kept crediting them as rings. Now justice was made. I am sorry for Kara, I know she trained very much. But come on, don’t put a freaking ring leap in your series if you CAN’T do it! That’s illogical! Her coaches should have know that something like this would happen someday. Well, it happened!
Also, it’s so stupid to submit an inquiry WHEN YOU’RE already classified!
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+1 here. 100% agree
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They were cocky, thinking they were entitled to get credited for those rings, so they inquired. I'm also happy they punished her for those fake rings. I remember back in 1996 where the Americans had atrocious form on their leaps. The Chinese had magnificent leaps and stunning amplitude on their skills, yet it didn't reflect on the scores whatsoever. They are moving in the right direction now.
@@Zarumaans I agree. It's a classic case of being humbled. They get scored high domestically. Got cocky. But she doesn't do it right, and got scored internationally and it's brutal but it's the right decision. Either she can learn from it rightfully or...
I like this!. I always wonder why she used to get credited with those leaps. I hope she can improve and actually get to perform the skill properly.
AleaTeo home judging is always easier than international judging. And European Judges are more impartial.
Little Twix Sha was credited at last years worlds. This wasn’t her best routine outside of the leaps. Her coaches should have a back up dance passage.
I still can't get over this high E-Score ...
R28ki _ 8.066? Not that high
@@bryceparra6359 compared to the others and especially day one it is high
@@bryceparra6359 compare to Flavia Saraiva's E score is tooooo high!
Why tf would you submit an inquiry in qualifications if you already have a spot in the finals? I genuinely don’t understand that
I guess it just wasn’t enough. She wanted a medal and getting a higher difficulty score was one way to have better chances in achieving that
I can kind of understand, because if the routine was scoring lower than expected, it's kind of important for the athlete to understand why, so they can hopefully fix whatever issues are causing that. She wanted to medal on beam in the event final, so they probably wanted to know beforehand how the judges were assessing her d-score.
Her coach explained they weren't aware what everybody's score was and didn't know what score is enough or not enough for the finals.
Adela Šajn I’m sorry but I call BS on that. There was a huge screen with what their placement and score was. And correct me if I’m wrong, but she was the last to go before Simone. So all of this is just weird
@@rugbyplayer9100 I completely agree with you. Maybe she knew she screwed up and that was the best excuse she could come up with 😎
If she does like two really simple jumps with a split then she wouldn't have to worry about losing .5 from the CR
Okay so now I watch this I totally understand why the change leg was downgraded, the angle isn't great for the ring leap at the start but fair if the judges had a better view. What really annoys me about this is the composition ... wouldn't her coaches know that rings are risky? So not give her elements that would risk getting repeated? She wasn't counting the switch leap as part of her routine anyway. But I still feel really bad for Kara:(
They knew, but this is the first time she was actually penalised for it in competition. they learn the hard way
Poor coaching decisions
@@MaryMary-ov6kl big time, they as coaches should have known better especially considering how long they have been coaching at this level!
Her DS depends entirely of hitting connections
Thank you for explaining!
In both downgraded leaps her back leg is below shoulder height. Also in the second downgraded leap she doesn't even get close to a ring.
If I was her, I will change my coaches. She was qualified for the final, it was the last subdivision! Besides, every body told about her ring leaps are questionnable every time. are they stupid? I don't like her style but I feel very bad for this girl.
rio2016 IKR, when I saw that she qualified for the 4th place I was quite happy for her because she will go as the last in final. Then her stupid coach decided to submit an inquiry.
Because her her coach is Al Fong,and,you know,that more tragic stories happened to his other gymnasts
her coach claimed she didnt know Kara was already in event finals and wouldnt have submitted an inquiry if she knew... how there wasnt someone from USAG keeping track I dont understand. They potentially just blew a chance for Kara to redeem herself from last years beam final.
@@marissahanson2761 I don't believe her coach. Do you think she will tell to every body that she did a big mistake? The score board was very clear qualified at the 4th place with no American behind her. Simone was the last to go. The coach was too much confident, that's all.
@@rio-mh6eo I'm not sure what to believe. If its true she knew and still went for the inquiry, Kara should switch gyms asap. I get wanting your athlete to get the best score possible but its not worth it in an EF. I know Al changed his coaching style but theres still something that doesnt sit right with me about GAGE...
She really messed up going to last years worlds. She should have did what Jade Carey and AT LEAST give herself the option to go to the Olympics as an individual
I agree! Since she is not consistent, and even when she hits she gets downgraded, it could be the safest option
I think she’ll still be an individual..though she is one of the best All-arounders, I think once they fix her routine composition (which could be 6.6+ if they do it smart) she’ll be in the mix for sure
@B Four, but she isn't eligible because she helped the US team qualify in 2018.
gfan105 she can’t qualify through the World Cup as an individual because she already helped the team qualify last year.
The vid replay is slowed down during rescore, so what was given be benefit of the doubt gets removed.
My friend sent me the inquiry rule. It says the score can be held, moved up or moved down. You don't get to keep the same score and hope it goes up. Everything is tossed back and recalculated from scratch.
Personally, this would have not been the routine for a slow mo rescore to me.
If nothing else, FIG used Brooklyn and Kara as examples to the more successful programs, do not waste our time with inquires, if it's just padding the score.
I doubt a gymnast from Cyprus or Moldova would have been dragged so hard.
Thanks for the vid!
Bitter we won't see Brooklyn's FX.
they don't use slow mo when judging inquirys
There is Artificial intelligence now so they have a multi angle view on the routine for inquiries. And Cyprus or Moldova wouldn't have risked losing 300$ for an inquiry
@@cleog765 they arent using it for beam, only vault.
@@Brenttyboy i was 100% sure about vault but i thought They were using on a second event 😂 everyone inquires on beam
look......i’m not one to say “i told you so,” but i’ve been telling the Kara stans since day one that her ring leaps will probably only skate past the judges 50% of the time at best. i like the idea of her routine and if she and her coaches at GAGE had worked on those rings i would stan, but she has zero chance at an olympic medal at this point.
Seriously? Zero chance? The Olympics are months away.
@@justlina2769 Note that I said "at this point." I fully hope she works on those ring positions before Tokyo!
Shay Lauren Agreed. I’m honestly so sick of seeing poorly executed ring elements.
I said the same thing when Eaker fans tried to call me hateful for saying her beating Simone at a training camp was a fluke and due only to Simone's mistakes, USA scoring, or both. And here were are, with the exact things happening at Worlds that you and I both said would happen. 🙄😂
@@blakegillpuente3904 some people in the gymnastics community (ahem...the stan community) will pick a random gymnast to latch onto and claim that they're perfect, and everyone critical of them is just a hater or some shit. it's so bizarre
I don't hate Kara in anyway, but everyone knew it was unfair fully crediting her rings the whole season, then add a prepotent inquiry to make it even higher. Honestly, I thought it was satisfying and a bold decision from jury.
Maybe this is a wake up call before tokyo to ditch some of the risky skills that are not even getting their value , and construct her routine in a way she is consistent and not hammered by the judges , because i feel her reputation as a specialist for tokyo is fading , they wont risk a spot out of 4 for a specialist that might not deliver or just for a couple extra tenths ...i mean i felt really sad when that happened to her , a lil dumb for her coaches to request and inquiry when she already qualified, i know they wanted to see what to improve for finals but now there is no finals
I've never understood how the D-Panel can revise a score (up or down) after an inquiry has been submitted without considering the E-score. For example, here Kara's rings were probably downgraded to split leaps because her back foot was lower than shoulder level. But if the E-panel thought she received credit for a ring (judged her foot at or above shoulder level), they should have deducted for foot at or below head level and insufficient arch/head release. But those deductions would not be proper for a split leap. Can anybody explain?
The deductions must be applied based on the attempted element, regardless of whether or not it was credited.
Is it possible, since Kara has very good turning form and great flexibility, to replace a few iffy leaps and jumps from the ring position with another E element? Like a split leap 1/1 (2.501) or a Johnson 1/2 (2.506)? Or maybe even a wolf jump/hop 1 1/2 (2.512)? Of course, they'd be new elements to her, perhaps, but they might tip the judges favor if the coaches can take away the grey areas in which to deduct.
Kara: there are so many other skills you can perform, why do THREE variations on a skill you are poor at? It makes no sense. Do an easy double and triple wolf turn like everyone else and call it a day.
Wolf turns are not at all easy...
Thank you for making this!
Okay so QUESTION - How long after the competition can the coaches see, the scoring sheet or judges panel, in order to see what was deducted? Can they see it that night after competition, right after that rotation? Next day? When can they see the rundown of what the judges took?
They dont.
Unlike figure skating, all you get is the final score only. You dont get a copy of the marking sheet or what so ever.
They can’t. But there are American judges in the delegation who can ask the beam judges where the problems arose.
coaches get D score and E score, that’s it
Thank you! It would be so interesting to see/know the D of the composition they were going for. It seems to vary so widely from vault where the D score is so simple. I remember having some days when I would make all my connections and be on, and other days it just wasn’t happening. Fascinating how variable it gets! Poor Kara!
I agree her ring leaps need to be worked on, but since her D score was originally higher,had the judges originally credited them? What did the coaches think needed to be fixed- what did they think she was not given credit for? All I could think were connections. Kara is a beautiful gymnast, so I hope she can work on the rings or change the composition of the routine to score higher without ring leaps.
Thanks but I really would have liked to see slow Mo or pictures like in the thumb nail that show the rings and why they weren't credited - I get it in general but it would be useful to see here because I don't feel like in this case I really can see with my untrained eye
99ilana in a ring leap there are rules: the head must be back, the back foot should be at least at head/shoulder height, the back leg bent to 90degrees.
@@MaryMary-ov6kl thanks, that's good to know. It would be good to see a picture of where she went wrong - was it that her back foot wasn't high enough? Back leg bent? Front foot?
99ilana I’m not a gymnast but have been watching for years. When slowed down her back foot get to 90 but her front leg isn’t straight yet. When she gets to 180 with her legs her back knee is not bent to 90 anymore. Typically with a ring jump the foot/ feet will touch the back of your head.
@@kasey6755 thanks!
@@99ilana Set youtube to 0 25 speed :)
Yaaasss thank you so much for this video!
This routine makes me so sad. I was so rooting for her and Sanne since I loved their routines most. And non of them qualified. Frustrating
Sanne downgraded a lot....
I disagree with the downgrade but the execution score should've been lower due to the body shape deduction on each of those rings. She should not have been discredited of a leap series because she had one and should've poor rhythm deduction instead.
Misógina internalizada Opresora héteropatriarcal Sanne has been battling with an injury which is affecting the whole one side of her body... No diagnosis yet...
Misógina internalizada Opresora héteropatriarcal Sanne has been battling with an injury which is affecting the entire right side of her body... No diagnosis yet...
Elsabeth Black has dropped out of the beam final after injury and Kara Eaker is replacing her.
Thank you, this was awesome!
What was the composition requirement she was missing? A leap series?
Yes, when they downgraded her switch ring earlier to a switch leap, that nullified the switch leap in her intended leap series, which then nullified the leap series altogether.
@@e2theeyepie Thank you! They really need to reconsider her routine composition for next year lol
Submit a inquiry when you're already qualified is not only stupid, is something more!! come on everyone knows that her rings are far away from what it should be, the only ones that still thinking that what she does is a ring leap are her coachs! please someone put Kara's coachs to watch Flavia Saraiva or Anna Pavlova doing a ring leap for then to see how a ring leap really looks like.
GAGE gymnasts normally have great form, why not those rings?
Thank you for making this very informative video- great job! I do have a question that makes me concerned about the expertise of beam judges.Why didn't they see these deductions during the competition? And if they missed these deductions on Kara, how many other scores would have been greatly changed due to a 2nd look?
Good question. They should be penalized for their inability to judge. They should get rid of the inquiry system. It makes no sense.
Technically, it wasn't a deduction, it was a devalue (they can't change the execution score after the fact). And it was actually only one thing they modified, it just so happened that that one change had a major impact on the routine's difficulty score.
If im not wrong, the inquiry is done by the robots
Can you just ask for a routine readout instead of an inquiry to change score
nope, inquiring is the only way you get to see what you were/weren't credited for :/
Yes, you can see the judges notes.
Super informative video, thank you for breaking it down like this!
UPDATE: Elsabeth Black CAN has gotten injured and has dropped out of the beam finals. Kara Eaker is the replacement.
What??! I feel bad for black but wow!!! Kara has a Chance now??!
She has quite a lot more arm waving and posing than I've seen in a while. Reminded me of the Gogean/Khorkina era beam routines where it was 3/4 posing and posturing.
She qualified for ef though. Ellie Black injured herself on vault
Your videos are great but a little more explanation would be good. I.e what requirement was she missing in the second scoring? And it would be good to see the scores side by side at the end.
I know I've watched it twice but her routine seems to go on forever.
The coaches should have realised why the D score was so low but could easily have checked after the competition. They did not have to submit an official inquiry. Having found out what the problem was they could have then fixed that problem for EF just like they did for the team final.
Can someone explain what a "D" is and what connection value is, and why her performance was bad? I'm new to gymnastics so I dont really understand, thankss!!
D score is a a difficulty score or start value
Connection value is extra points given for connection
The D score evaluates how hard the skills in the routine are. Skills are ranked by letters, so the easiest skills are A level and the harder ones I think go till i but I could be wrong. If you connect skills, this makes the routine more difficult so they add points for the connection.
What does it mean she was already qualified for EF? What does ef stand for?
@@pablotinocop Event Finals. The top 8 qualifying scores on each apparatus compete for individual medals on Bars, Floor, Vault and Beam for women.
What’s the point of Kara Eaker on the team. The US isn’t weak on BB and she couldn’t hit in EF to save her life.
Tbh I think everyone should stop blaming her coaches. It was a silly mistake, but they really only wanted the best for her. Like I know they should’ve thought it through more but kara was clearly confused with it and they just wanted her to get the highest score she could
Her coaches keep messing up. Not only did they inquire after she made the beam final but they also let leanne wong do a 3½ twist(which she has been having trouble on) and triple twist in the same rutine. Which can(and did) cause a problem with her d score when she only did the triple
Why is Kara’s composition requirment only 1.5? What was the requirement that she didn’t do. This is really shocking. From a potential 6.8 difficulty, then downgraded to 5.4.
she missed out on the requirement of two leaps being connected
Simone Dutton she could have just performed two easier leaps that are easier to connect. In that way, she would not miss the requirement. Poor Kara!
Can somebody tell what’s the difference between switch leap and change leg? I honestly thought before watching this video that those skills are the same.
Michael Sy They are the same skills. Some places call it a switch leap, and others a change leg leap. Here in England we call it a change leg:)
Her split ring leap definitely shouldn’t be credited but it’s surprising that at least in 2018 world team trial she hit her split jump ring and her switch ring and her back leg is actually at her shoulder height but in 2019 she just doesn’t hit her ring, her rings were always questionable but it was at least should have been credited in 2018
I like her style but I'm not really a fan but I disagree with the downgrade and leap series requirement. First, she didn't put her foot down and connect it into another leap. Her ring elements should not have been downgraded because it looks like a decent ring but it should've been a 5 tenths worth of deduction each for insufficient arch, rear foot at shoulder height, and insufficient split.
The real question is why the score was so high at first...
Because she's an american gymnast (?)
This is insane.
How is it insane? It's all according to the rules. Are you expecting the judges to credit those rings when they clearly aren't up to par? Without the ring skills credited she won't stand a chance at winning gold anyway 🙄
Chanel Oberlin you don't even know her and already call her a bitch... what's wrong with you? What Americans did to you?
@@flfm6736 This Jojo account is always biased towards American and hateful towards Russian and other countries. I can see where Chanel Oberlin is coming from.
Gowreeshthespicegirl Gymfan lol I know who Jojo is and now YOU all are biased. She always being nice to all gymnasts. But of course you only can see bad things. And of course she will love/protect/etc American gymnast MORE than gymnast from any country BECAUSE SHE IS AMERICAN! That natural. And you gowreesh is one of the most annoying persons the whole RUclips (with Chanel oberlin). That WAS insane but that WAS fair.
MultiChantal22 she has never been hateful. She only was "hateful" to Russians (so it wasn't even hate) while trying to insult gowreesh/Chanel oberlin - like persons
So Ellie Black is out, than she gets the final
Basically the judges saying that the ring leaps aren’t good. That’s what annoys me about her routine, those ring leaps. Especially the first one, I’m sorry but it’s awful
What was the composition requirement she missed?
I'd like to know the answer to this question, too! 🤔
A leap/dance series ... You cannot use a repeated skill to fulfill a composition requirement
@@MultiChantal22 ohhh wow okay thanks!
Im not a gymnast, but I used to be a figure skater. Isnt the ring leap quite impossible to handle properly directly after the mount? Is that why she is having trouble with it? It that natural follow up from the mount?
She is leaping forward and doesnt have time to tilt her head back.
She needs to arch more of her back and bring her back foot higher. Pavlova probably has one of the best ring leaps and jumps on balance beam.
That was the best side flip I've ever seen. Maybe a little more graceful. Going a little fast too. I'd slow it down and be graceful. Great routine. Shes very confident.
how did they credit those rings wtf
It would be good to put in what Kara and her coach thought it should be?
I'd like a similar video explaining Brooklyn Moor's qualifying floor routine - her downgrade took her out of the event final as well. Thanks in advance!
She's back in as Nina has withdrawn!
@@paulmcelroy81 Oh cool - I hope she takes full advantage of the opportunity!
Any clue why Nina withdrew?
@@Svartr.HrafnSvartr me too.Her music and choreography is gorgeous and I love her Podkopayeva. I think Nina has an ankle issue. She would have come in 8th probably anyway and I think Moors has a better shot!
I wonder whats being said in the meetings at USA gymnastics. Will somebody be blamed?
So why was she getting credited for those skills in usa if it was repeted and how did the judges not see skills were repeated?
@Chanel Oberlin Don't hate on Jade she's worked very hard on artistry in the past years.
@@ragansmithgymnastics7782 yeah I agree with you she improved alot, I'm sad she isnt in the floor finals
The attempted skills weren't repeated. They only became "repeated" because she didn't get the first skill credited as a ring, it was downgraded to a leap, so when she then did the leap it was technically repeated even though she was trying a different skill. In the US competions (and Pan Ams) she got credit for the ring.
@@alisont.6940 thank you for explaining, makes so much sense now!
Did any of her ring jumos/leaps get credited
Very few inquiries are submitted in the qualifications.. her coach is quite silly to do this. If you don't trust the judges in such early stage, there may be no room for the gymnast to stay in the competition.
you would want to inquire if there was such a discrepancy as this though, they basically didn't credit an entire CR, that is always worth inquiring.
@@Brenttyboy but in the eyes of the judges, they not only take it as an inquiry but also a challenge to their professional judgement... that is humanity. I think the gymnast should avoid inquiry as possible here for their upmost benefit. Her lowered d score reflects what i say...
@@Trusova111 but Flavia inquired and her D score was raised putting her into EFs, so this is not always the case, in fact, its rare that they lower the score. Plus, they shouldn't take offense at it, and an entirely different panel judges the routine during an inquiry...
hi! new here & have a few questions (1) why does she only have a 1.5 for composition requirements? wouldn't that be an easy way to add .5? (2) what do the red highlighted skills mean?
So basically there are 4 x 0.5 requirements and one of those is a leap combination. Ordinarily, she has a switch leap to a switch 1/4 to fulfill this. But before this, she attempted a switch ring which wasn't credited and therefore was downgraded to a switch leap.
And because you can't repeat a skill more than once (which is what the red means), her switch leap that was meant to be in her leap combo wasn't counted because she "had already done one". So that skill wasn't counted so she had no leap combo
Grace Sewell you explained it way better than the video! I don't think the video explained it very well at all!
@@gracesewell8961 i tought if there is a case with multiple interpretations, then the one that benefits the gymnast would be used. So instead of nulified the one in her leap searies, wasnt the one after mount that should be nulified ?
@@account366 i dont think i have ever heard that before but then again im not a gymnast, only a big fan. The judges dont give athletes the benefit of the doubt in things like these. You could say that about past judges who were much more lenient about skills but in this age, if you don't do the skill properly, then you dont get credit and can mess up your routine, no ifs or buts. (i hope this helps a bit :)
@@gracesewell8961 thanks, but just to clarify, if a gymnast performs a tkatchev, and then several giants, then tkatchev+geinger(+2 cv), which tkatchev is going to be credited?
EMBARRASSING! i thought she fell or something to get that bad score but its because of an inquiry? LMAO!! this is literally the first time i've seen an inquiry where the score goes down!! hahaha. her coaches must not be able to sleep at night
Death by astonishment 🤭😭
Really? Because itn also happened here to Brooklyn Moors. So embarassing? What are you 12? These young ladies work their asses off. Shes in the final anyways so HA
And who inquired her routine
Al Fong, her coach
@@luxus8816 al wasn't on the floor; it was armine. kara was also visibly confused why her d-score was so low.
so had she done the skills in a different order she would have met the criteria requirements ??
Did any of her ring jumps/ leaps get credited?
Yea... 1
wait so did the score reduction still qualify her for the beam final?? or did it make it so she didn’t qualify?? 😰😰😰
Chanel Oberlin FUCKKKK THAT. does she have any say on whether or not to do the inquiry or is it just the coach’s decision?
She’s first reserve!
@@TheMajesticice01 Looks like Ellie Black injured her ankle so she's in!
Kara Eaker's balance beam she almost fell off during the Women's Team Final in Stuttgart, Germany World Artistic Gymnastics Champions in 2019.
wow! that 0.4 difference!
It's a great Set but there were flaws in the routine she can do better the score was very fair
Why is her composition score only a 1.5 instead of 2.0? What did she not do to qualify for that extra 0.5?
Her supposedly "switch ring" has been downgraded to a "switch leap" only. And she use switch leap to fullfil 2 dance elements (switch + switch 1/4). And the COP states that you cannot repeat a skill to fulfill CR (if she had done the leap series first, or got the switch ring credited, she would've got that additional 0.5 CR)
@@MultiChantal22 ty for explaining. Makes sense. Still dont understamd why the coaches went for a change in scoring. She freaking qualified. 🤦
CR stands for? Croatian Record?
@@ChristineF1234 Composition reqirement 😂
Why is the CR only 1,5 what did she miss?
Where is the connetion value the judjes changed? I see only one
Because her ring jump got downgraded to a split leap, when she later did a split leap as part of a series it was a repeated skill so was discounted (not credited). That meant she wasn't credited the leap series at all, which is one of the required elements - hence her low composition score. The video doesn't explain it too well.
Which CR did she miss?
So it's all because her rings weren't rings and were downgraded to split leaps twice?
bro this coach... they didn’t practice on the ring leaps a lot i can tell. this is just sad 😕
How dumb did her coaches have to be to submit an inquiry when she QUALIFIED???
Realmente una artista #1 no se porque todos van çon simone balls cuando hay muchas que la hacen mejor.
Her Switch ring looks really bad in the official FIG video of her beam, you can definitely see how bad her rings in that angle.
where is the 0.5 requirement missing from?
she dint connect to dance elements with one reaching 180 split
@@gymnastea thanks!
judges should not be allowed to lower a D score after an inquiry.
Why not?
Chanel Oberlin literally everyone fucking hates you on the gymternet your opinion means absolutely nothing to anyone
Miss Sunshine if they didn’t catch it the first time they should not be allowed to lower it. If they were .4 off then their judging shouldn’t be trusted anyways.
Jackson Catlett then they shouldn’t be allowed to increase it either.
Miss Sunshine that makes no sense. You put in an inquiry because you think the judges undervalued your routine. They shouldn’t be allowed to devalue it even further. This opens up a lot of possibilities of judges purposefully undervaluing routines to deter people from putting in inquiries, which is what I believe happened here.
I feel like the fig are trying to not let as many american to qualify
Her ring jumps more like sting jumps cuz they hurt my eyes. Al Fong, come on now. This ain't your first elite gymnast. Please fix these so she gets a better score.
GAGE'S RING ARE SO UGLY!! They teach it bad, just look at leanne's flexibily but her rings oh my...
her ring leaps need a lot of work
That inquiry kinda backfired.... lol
Which CR did she miss out on???
Linnea Fahlberg dance requirements
Why is everyone concerned about her ring leaps when the judges are more focused on her changed leg leaps??
Bad position
I am surprised they credited also the second one. In my opinion that was the worst one
Clear as mud
Who inquires when they already made a spot. The scores don't carry over. So stupid
What was her couch thinking!?! She was in the final, the score doesn't matter. Leave it alone and don't risk loosing points. Yikes. TBH I would be considering if my coach belonged at elite level after that one.
Why does she have only 1.5 in requirements?
Her switch ring got downgraded to a switch split, so her *actual* switch split later got thrown out as a "repeated" skill -- basically, they treated it as if she hadn't done it at all. Since that was part of one of her requirements, she didn't get credit for that requirement.
DataTasha4Ever thanks ☺️ poor kara 😓