TheAudioDabbler | AUM vs AudioBus
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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I wanted to say you really explained the differences as well as similarities quite well. Thank you for the informative video Mitch!
Really enjoyed this video! Thank you! One question...couldn’t you send AUM to Cubasis or BM3 and loop within those programs?
I needed this so badly!!!! Thank you!
Hi I was just thinking Is this still relevant with AUM 3 ? If not thanks for the info if so could you do an up date
Thank you
Very informative, i use both. Can’t be without them.
About time for an update video, Mitch ;)
You did such a great job explaining everythinga and made sense on the differences and the similarities, I also enjoyed how you talk about the value in using both Apps. Thanks so much for the info man!!!
Hi! I'm an aum user, don't have audiobus 'cause I didn't fell I needed IAA till now.
I'd like to route DRUM COMPUTER's audio (using just the standalone vs of this app) inside aum.
Do you think it will be possible with audiobus?
PS (surely I'm not the first to ask a maybe too dumb question)
even with audiobus it's impossible to stream and route audio from youtube directly to apps inside aum, isn't it?
I think the way they designed Drum Computer, the standalone is the free version and does not route audio. Not sure Audiobus would help. I dont think Drum Computer has IAA. As far as streaming RUclips there is an app called Tube Audio Unit, Have not tried it myself but seems to work and allows for web based audio and video to be played via auv3.
I’m kinda getting it slowly. Thanks 🙏
It can take a moment to really wrap your head around each and what they can do. If you have any questions feel free to reach out.
TheAudioDabbler thanks Mitch 👊🏼
Hi, Can you use "AUM" or "Audiobus" to send audio to "Zoom Meeting"?
This answered exactly the questions I had. Thank you so much.
Thanks! Clears things up for me, then. :)
Rediscovering Audiobus 3, since it was silently sitting on my system doing its IAA job in the background ‘for’ AUM. But it seems that Audiobus makes using my iPad Pro as a full fledged FX processor for external gear so much easier. Got triggered by a discussion on AUM’s Discord when bumping into some MIDI setup issues. Audiobus made this particular use cases so much easier for me. So yes, both apps absolutely have their own advantages 👍🏻 Hopefully development continues 🙏🏻
Midi midi midi can we take advantage with AUM or is it just a live Audio mixer that cannot be quantized?
It can sync midi apps, drum machines, etc that have Ableton link or are AUv3. It is primarily an audio mixer but it can host AUv3 apps and effects. It is really the center of anything I do on the iPad.
Thanks!!! Very clear and helpful.... 🌿🌷🌟
Very good description
Cool. OK so if I want to record the individual track outputs of
Quantiloop, will AUM or Audiobus be able to do so? I just wanted to know before I buy either of them . AUM is not that cheap to buy in my country.
Clear as mud. This was somewhat useful, but the reason there is so much confusion is because the videos describing these 2 apps is confusing. I have watched dozens and while they all touch on certain points, they are generally very scattered and poorly presented.
glad mine was somewhat helpful. I do want to revisit this topic and make an updated video. I am sure I could explain things better than I did before with some careful planning.
Hi Mitch - many thanks for this vid...not 100% sure if this helps solve my particular set up - so I'll ask for your indulgence - and maybe you can help shed some light...?
- I'm a live looper using instruments with a boss rc300 - but wish to go with iPad and Loopy.
My goal is 5 in's to Auria Pro -- (Mics, guitar, keys,) routed through audiobus into Loopy HD - then 6 loopy loops routed back into Auria - and out the 4 outs on my Steinberg - so that those 4 outs can go into an outboard mixer (for FOH sound guy) - who can then Mix and EQ the separate loops in real time.
- I wondered if I'm better served with different apps? - or if it's just the bussing and routing in Auria that I need to solve?
- would an iConnect unit be better then the Steinberg as an IO? ... would love any insights .... many thanks in advance!
What a great tutorial to explain some of the things that I had questions about as a new user to iPad audio. I’m still learning how to capture Mitty in other programs in import it into allow other programs to play the middle sequence that I created. I have to go play with it experiment and discover a process workflow and thank you so much for doing great content being so helpful.
Enjoy the day
MIDI capture and sharing between apps is still hit or miss. But I am trying to workout some ways.
I sort of see Audiobus and aum as brothers that stick together. If you get one then it makes no sense to not get the other. In other words I agree with you. Every musician using IOS has to get both or they are missing out. And there is Audiobus remote, which is so handy. Any new music app better have at least one of IAA OR AU support and should support Audiobus if they want to be successful. I could be wrong. For all I know the biggest customer base could be kids who don't care about any of that stuff. I would really like to see a list of all apps and how many are out there and the breakdown of how many customers by age group. Even better to see how many own Audiobus and aum for each other music app. I know that will never be available.
Your videos are so good - i'm learning a lot from your channel and it is much appreciated :)
can you show how they both integrate with each other in concrete?
Excellent ...always wondered which one does what better
Thanks for clarifying the differences between the two. I already have the audiobus 2, would like your opinion. Should I upgrade to the audiobus 3 or just get the AUM? Any suggestions will be very much appreciated. More power to you.
Thank you for answering my question on which app to use; I’ll get both and you got a like and a sub as well!
thank for this , I'm glad I bought audiobus first
Thanks. Probably to long ago to get a respond but I will give it a shot. I am looking at Audiobus. I want to route different midi channels from my Digitakt to different synth apps. Audiobus is the way right? I saw a video where Audiobus recognizes the different midi channels of the Digitakt. Audiobus let’s then use them at the same time right?
I am not familiar with the Digitakt. But if it can send midi out multiple channels at the same time then Audiobus will let you use multiple channels at the same time. I do it with my novation SL MK3 since it will send out 8 different midi channels with its sequencer.
@@TheAudioDabbler ah thanks so much. I am guessing it will work then.
I guess you’ve already found out that Audiobus is a great app for this…? Even though the DT only support one stereo input / output on iOS, in comparison to multiple separate channels with Elektron’s Overbridge on macOS. This audio limitation on iOS / ipadOS also goes for AUM, but for MIDI I think Audiobus works much more straightforward than AUM.
Very helpful, thanks.
Q: is it possible to record MIDI from AUM into another app?
Yes it is. Just make sure to double check the midi routing, which could be a little confusing but it works.
Thank-you for making this video..i
Thanks for explaining. It’s still driving me bat crap crazy that we have to have both. What I’d like to see is for them to add a simple midi player you can drop on each channel. Build a midi seq. As an option so we can write simple loops without having to add a third party. BTW does anyone have a suggestion for a simple midi seq you can drop on each channel?
INVALID COMMAND - do you mean something like Fugue Machine, Octachron, StepBud, ArpBud, Chordflow, Xynthesizr, Xequence, Cream Mobile, Quantum, StepPolyArp, Thesys or the Rozetta Suite?
Loopy a good looper? You press record then it takes time to go to the app you are going to use, you play and then you go back to stop it. So you have some silence in the beginning and at the end of the loop, doesnt sound like good looping to me.....
If you midi map the controls and use a midi controller to control the instruments, or if you play real instruments. Loopy is a great looper.
Thanks very much for a logical overview of why one might need both AUM & AudioBus and what their strengths and weaknesses are. I'm new to the Apple iOS world and very old-school and so I like to know what does what and so from there can make my own decisions as to how to use them. This is largely missing from modern approaches to computing - "Just use this with this and they work!" and often no explanation as to why. Generally very frustrating and thus refreshing.
Thanks for the comment. I try and present most of my videos in a way that is easy to understand. I also like to know how things work and why. If you need anything let me know. I take requests for videos.
I think a part 2 regarding the midi bits and how those apps handle midi. Then you could throw in Ape Matrix and see where that app fits into the ecosystem? Also...while I am commenting...I have been doing research into using iOS midi and converting it to CV for analog synths. I have found a few devices but they all have standard midi 5 pin round connectors instead of USB midi or USB mini midi or even more mind blowing USB TRS 3.5mm. Thanks!
You seem like the guy to ask, I have an Behringer XR 18, and using Cubasis3. Will Audiobus recognize XAir App, in order to route to Cubasis 3? How do I find out?
If you plug the xr18 into the iPad via camera connection kit, it should recognize all the inputs and whatever routing you have done via the software internal to the XR18. As far as Audiobus seeing the behringer app I doubt it but it would not be required.
Thanks man, what I wanted to do was direct route it via Behringer XR18 WiFi, like Auria Daw app does, but apparently you cannot.
Thank for clarifying the confusing about theses 2 apps.
You are very welcome. It can get confusing as to what app does what and which one is right for you.
Do any of these apps allow for tempo sync (for delays in the apps etc) from a (Mac) host yet... maybe Logic Pro X? Up until now I'm just recording these great little synth apps (etc) by using a 1/8 cable into my Apollo and editing the audio on Logic's timeline. Just reading about IDAM now and hoping this ability is right around the corner because then I can finally use all these apps to the fullest. I know Ableton already has "link". Not sure how they accomplish that yet. I have experimented with a few of the things out there that send midi etc but it's still clunky. Looking forward to fully implementing my iPad Pro into my Mac Pro studio. Thanks!
I have had so so success getting Logic Pro X to sync with anything. Having the iConnectAudio4+ helps. It really allows me to use my iPad as an effects processor. If you have Ableton Live, Ableton link works great with syncing tempo. I will say some apps are better at it than others and the wifi connection can make a difference too. I agree that the few midi apps can be clunky, which is why I just opted to get the iCA4+. It just makes things better and easier, especially integrating an iPad and Mac pro together.
I haven't upgraded my 2014 macbook pro to the latests Mac OS yet. I can test a few things with syncing logic and the iPad and let you know.
Your video cleaned up the cut dry of my inner battle with these 2 aum...vs audiobus.
Very heavy dense very fresh subject.
dat not many r prepared for mobile two be a d.a.w.
I'll i will rewatch and reference this video again!! Thanx
Great explanation. Can you tell one thing. I have both. Say I add two IAA, the xynthesizr and the mv08 to audiobus, when I press play inside audiobus both the apps start playing. But when I add the same in the aum, I need to go to each individual apps and start play. They don't start playing when I click play in the aum. Why?
With IAA, AUM doesn’t really sync very well. It relies mainly on Ableton link or AUv3. Where AudioBus can speak to IAA better since most have the AudioBus SDK built in, allowing them to speak better.
@@TheAudioDabbler Thanks for the clarification. So it means, this how it is, I am not doing something wrong, right?
Correct
Thanks for the video man, I just started playing with iOS music and only had AUM. But, I love Fugue Machine, so I got both apps now :)
Very helpful Mitch. I had forgotten Audiobus completey. Been watching a bunch of sequencer videos trying to pick one out and it seems that everything was AUM. Ain't in the mood to drop the money on AUM till I am happy with a sampler. So thanks for reminding me. Now I need to go watch your AudioShare video. Thanks again.
AUM is a great app but I understand not spending money on it if you don't have a need for it. What are you looking for in a Sampler?
Not just where you want it to go, but how. AUM is like the real deal with its internal bus setups. Yeah, maybe it's a hassle until you do it once and save the template. I've found AUM to be useful as the grand scale project and AB more as a down and dirty grab and go. It's not pretty, but as you say if you want the equivalent of plug into the amp and play, AB is the winner. And for once someone said "both" is a solution instead of starting a pissing contest. Nice work!
I cannot hear anything before the loop is recorded and playing, using any app into loopy in audiobus, it is very frustrating... am I doing something wrong?
Under the settings in loopy, you can select monitoring, which will allow you to monitor the incoming audio.
@@TheAudioDabbler ok I'll try thanks a lot
Great video and info, thank you.
can you set multiple fx sends levels in parallel with Audiobus? This is something i do with AUM but i'm not sure if Audiobus can also do thta.. i only see examples of straight fx chains made in series and without level adjustments on Audiobus. So the features in regards to the fx routings between both apps is still not clear to me.. thanks!
If you hit the + above the effects slot in Audiobus it will let you add more send effects
great explanation, thanks!
Hi your videos have been very insightful! I've been looking for a way to run a app like Spotify or apple music and to practice piano with a app like igrand or uvi ravenscroft 275. Not looking to record the music but just wanted to know if there's a app that could host both apps like a mixer to control and balance volume so I'd be able to listen and learn songs on my ipad? Oh i have the iconnect audio 4 plus but still not sure if it's necessary to use in this way!
There is an app called Amplified Music Player that might do the trick, if you pay for Spotify. If not, then I would suggest just using the iConnectAudio4+ to route the audio from your computer to your iPad. I may have a video on that or I could make one if you need to know how to set it up. Thanks for watching. Glad my videos have been helpful.
Thanks for the reply. I'll check that app out, I've had the iConnect Audio 4+ for months but haven't gotten my head around the routing yet... a video would be COOL- THANKS!
Thank you! I'm new to iOS, that helped a lot!
Good thinking.
..there is NO Fight...Use Them TOGETHER....
I agree, I do need to do a video of using them together. I will put that on my short list.
@@TheAudioDabbler did you ever…? As I couldn’t find it, but maybe I’ve missed it in your impressive collection of videos 😮 👍🏻
Appreciate the breakdown its dead on ones not better than the other but how you need it to fit your work flow.
Thanks for the info
It’s 2022 and AUM seems to have won the debate. Still, I’m rediscovering that Audiobus 3 has its uses. Frankly, the debate is really about iOS app integration. It’s a landscape with changing standards and no clear direction. Really, the issue is iOS and no leadership from Apple to support music, audio routing and midi. MacOS has come a long way to embrace midi, audio and even aggregate devices - but so far Apple iOS is leaving it to 3rd party developers.
Thanks for clearing that up 👍
Now I know !
I m sure i get it. Loopy connects to AUM very well. What is that that AB does that AUM doesnt?
With audiobus, its a lot easier to send audio from one app, directly to another app that may not be an IAA or AU host. without having to constantly switch back and forth. Now that Audiobus has midi, they are a lot closer in functionality so it comes down to workflow.
You said AUM can't record but even on the screenshots you can see it can record. But how? It was not covered. Also I've tried to use two paid effects which simply did not work with Audiobus 2 and 3. Audiobus support did not helped with working solution.
I misspoke. AUM can record. I am going to work on a video to show how it can record and also be used as a DAW, when combined with a midi sequencer. Until then, I do show a little of AUMs recording ability in this video. ruclips.net/video/_beFzGYq6EY/видео.html
solarion iSpirit - Just out of curiosity - what apps have you tried, which are not working in your setup? And - is that still the case?
Thanks, very helpful. :)
Hey thanks for the video, I've wondered this myself but I've always had AB. So I guess AUM never seemed necessary to me
Thanks for watching. AUM has became an essential app to me, especially for experimental stuff. You can do some crazy things with its send channels. Plus it works really well with my iConnectAudio4+.
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But Audiobus needs it's apps to gave Audiobus SDk embedded. AUM is independent and does not require apps to change their code base.
True. And now that more AUv3 apps are coming out, there is less need for an AudioBus SDK but Audiobus makes it super simple from what I know, to integrate their SDK into their app. But AUv3 is the future.
Like when you route to Cubasis with Audiobus it automatically does it and names the track no channel routing
Hmmm thank you for the explanation. Is it possible in AUM to record GarageBand directly to AUM? Apparently AUM has a recorder. With my understanding of Audiobus, GarageBand is always at the output end of the chain. One of the reasons I ask is because I’ve discovered that mixing down/sharing a synth with a lot of delay, in all formats including so called ‘lossless’ wav, that there is distortion, whereas the GarageBand playback is pristine. I’ve tried different volume levels also.
I’m wondering if recording direct to, say, AUM, I might be able to avoid the distortion, I suspect not though... or rather when I come to reincorporate it into a DAW for final mix down, the distortion will reappear.
Not really, as Garage band will only accept inputs and never output them to other apps. There are ways if you have 2 iDevices or depending on what audio interface you have, you might be able to setup a loopback to capture the output of Garageband. I have not used Garageband very much, So I can not speak on the export being distorted.
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Thank you for your reply, that’s helpful to know. The synth is a rather distinctive Garageband synth, I might try and export a version without delay saturation and see if I can reproduce the same sound in a different DAW (which I don’t yet have) by applying a stereo delay and see if I can render it without the distortion.
The distortion is fairly subtle, by the way, but the synth is such that it is most effective without distortion/overdrive.
Jim here, Good Tutorial. With my iPad 2 its been my experience when using Audio Bus 2, I get background/room audio with my recording. When I use iAA in say Garrageband I get clean audio from app to app. I recently purchased a $140 Roland go mixer for smartphones (not a Roland affiliate) The go mixer has 2 Line in's (1/8) jack. It picks up my recording and also it works from another i0S device. No room/background audio. These were just released at NAMM 17.Maybe things have changed with Audio bus 3 or a better iPad. PS if your shirt has a pocket, I have that same shirt, lol. .
Cool. I will have to check out that Go Mixer. I never experienced any issues with AB2 when I had my iPad 2.
And must be a different six flags shirt, mine has no pocket. I am glad I got to ride the Georgia Cyclone a couple of times before they started tearing it down.
Mostly what the go mixer is marketed at is a way to get a external audio signal into a (smartphone/i0S device) So audio and video sync together. For example I can run my Novation Circuit 1/8 cable from Circuit into the line in of the go mixer, the go mixer provides 2 cables, black for Android phone white (lightning) to i0S device:go mixer to smartphone hit record on mixer play on device captures everything in real time. No sync issues. No unwanted audio. Just the knobs on the go mixer seem a bit flimsy but the product just works
Sorry don't do rides even here at the summer midway.
Jim Shannon on Sounds - just out of curiosity- how was your setup for recording In AB2 ? What apps have you used and with what have you recorded that result?
I really enjoy your channel. Well done.
Thanks for those kind words. I try not to blab too much and just provide good information and tutorials.
I have yet to buy Audiobus 3. So far, AUM is all i need. I hardly ever multitrack anymore either.
Thanks for the video, but you should just say Audio Bus can do what AUM can do plus more. At least that’s the conclusion I got from your video ;) I haven’t tried either, so wondering which to get.
Its a little more complicated than that. I will say that I use Audiobus less than before but its still really good for certain situations and setups. For live use, AUM is great. If you use loopy HD, then audiobus is essential.
I see, I will look further into it then. Meanwhile, thanks to your explanation of capabilities of these apps I got Audiobus 3. Love how it makes the Inter-App Audio go away. Well rather it's now the only app that's using it so it allows smooth operation. (Haven't experienced any problems so far using it for couple of days) Though an extra *independent* step I could live without, as unfortunately the states of all connected apps can't be saved. Unless there's a way?
if Apple kills audiobus*, AUM will still work as it relies on apples own SDKs.
but then again .... apple might kill off own technologies**
it happened all before :
* killing jack audio (they wanted to do something similar to audiobus when audiobus started)
** killing firewire (apples own technology)
@@TheAudioDabbler sir how about with beatmaker3 to use plugins apps and midi out? Which would you say is good to get the job done and maybe user friendly?
Well audio bus sucks it keeps glitching
These really are excellent guides
- One small thing though, couldn't you just make on-screen diagrams (10 mins in photoshop) rather than flapping pieces of paper at the camera? Thanks :)
I might could but I don't want to kill anybody with a power point presentation. Plus I don't have photoshop, but I do have Affinity Photo and Designer so those are great apps as well.
Swear to Christ some people have the tact and common sense of a used condom. The guy post's an excellent rundown of the similarities and differences and dude points out a first world problem. If a professor in Yale uses a dry erase board vs. digital overhead projector do you discount what he's teaching? Sheeeiiit.
TheAudioDabbler - I like the paper presentation with you writing on it as it goes. It looks more like a teacher writing at the whiteboard.. either way great job and thanks for your time!