The Science of ADHD Medication (with
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- NOAHFINNCE, the 5th Sci Guy, joins us this week to talk about ADHD medication, how it works, and whether we should be giving it to children!
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Do you have ADHD? Do you take medication?
I think I have ADHD. I should probably go to my gp and get evaluated. Hopefully medication would be an option.
Yup, been taking medication for most of my life
1. Yes
2. No
Saving up for it (waiting list for non-private is 18 months in Northern Ireland). In the meantime I’ll try ayahuasca and other activities to see if I can find a better system for functioning (executively). Atm I go through one or two days of hyper focus with little sleep, food and bathroom breaks followed by 3-14 days of exhausted inertia and overwhelm. I lose track of time and am almost nocturnal in those crash days. It’s better in the summer but my coping mechanisms are not coping. The last resort is medication but I’m thinking it may be the only way forward in this society. We might just be a type that is becoming extinct now. Unless you’re filthy rich and can funnel all your energy (or lack thereof) into whatever creative pursuits catch your eye, ADHD brain is quite expensive, time consuming and risky. But between us…I am often disappointed by neurotypical brains 🤷🏽♀ bored, even. I know it’s a symptom 😝 but fuck, if I could just “function” most days like that I’d get sooooo much done. I have maybe one sane week a month 👀
I'm definitely neurodivergent but I'm not sure if it's ADHD. I don't take meds and I'm not Diagnosed.
as a kid my unaddressed ADHD lead to a lot of trauma; 100% the reason I made a point to speak with every one of my son's teachers to make sure that when he was at school, he was among people who understood him and could work -with- his needs rather than someone who would try to force him into a functioning that dosn't fit him. Seeing him NOT drown in homework and not feel constantly unhappy/anxious? It's a beautiful thing.
Sometimes my ADHD paralysis gets so bad that i can't even talk or move. I get so over stimulated that this happens. I was diagnosed as a kid and again as an adult for school accomodations. I take methylphenidate 40mg in the morning extented release and 20 in the evening so i can function all day. Sometimes during finals things get so bad it feels like my meds dont work. Have ADHD is crazy debilitating for me. Hearing you guys talk about your own experiences is so validating. I love you guys❤
I would like to apologise to my parents and their bank accounts, my generation who has to deal with climate change and my skin *Because what Corry said about showering is honestly one of the most relatable things I’ve heard in my life.*
I know!!! I literally gasped when he said that because oh my god...after a shower I can loose track of time be there for hours and hours in a towel just staring at the bathroom floor. I was like "I MUST COMMENT" haha it's so true. I thought I was the only one...
Going at a pretty normal (not rushed but not completely laid back) pace, my average shower time is 40 minutes and I genuinely struggle to find where I go wrong that it's always that long. Like, do I wash a lot more thoroughly than others or something?? I know I'm not speeding through it but even then, that's a 20 minute shower and most of my showers involve some kind of shaving so I have so slow down for that.
I feel like it's a combination of all of it. Not always having the energy, shaving regularly, washing thoroughly, and being the only person with long hair in the house. It just ends up taking longer.
Edit: After being here for almost a year now, I'm finally back on my medication thanks to an amazing private psychiatrist who helped me at a lower fee and managed to get my GP to add the medication for me so that it's on the NHS. Keep asking for help and don't give up until you're given the help you deserve!
Moving to the UK and having ADHD is extremely frustrating. I was diagnosed by my psychiatrist and was doing extremely well on medication for almost 2 years. I get to the UK and the letter from my psychiatrist is fine for getting my antidepressants but not my ADHD medication. Instead I had to go on to a 12 month waiting list to get re diagnosed. I’ve been living here for 7 months now without medication and it just sucks, it really really sucks.
Hearing the sitting in a towel after a shower comment made me do a double take, since I do the EXACT SAME THING, literally every time I take a shower. I've been diagnosed with ADHD since I was really young. Didn't start taking meds till I was in like 5th grade tho. (My mom and both my older brothers have ADHD so we just always knew I probably did too.)
10:30 This was my experience for sure. I was diagnosed with depression at 13 and put on anti-depressants. They helped a bit, but I really think the root of the issue is that I would let everything overwhelm me to the point that it made me depressed. I wasn’t diagnosed with inattentive ADHD until mid way through junior year of high school. As long as it feels like it took for me to get a diagnosis, I’m lucky my mom knew what to look for. *So* many women, especially those who aren’t hyperactive, never get a diagnosis. I can’t help but feel a bit sad that I spent close to 90% of my pre-university life in a ADHD haze, but I’m thankful I know what’s up with my brain now. And, thank you for this episode. I frequently feel like I don't know enough about my own disorder because, like you guys mentioned, so much online is just the traits associated with ADHD in hyperactive young boys.
Mine was Depression/ADD in 5th Grade to ADHD at 19. Two different psychiatrists. And I'm trans FTM
Hi guys, parent of a kid with likely ADHD here (assessment in process), plus I think I might well be one of those women whose ADHD was never spotted because of gendered assumptions and because I always did very well in school. I watch both you guys and Noah's channel every once in a while and really rate you all. I just wanted to say, in a respectful way and just to start off a conversation, that your remarks on medication and kids struck me as being a touch sweeping and less considerate than usual, compared to the high standards you usually hold up to. There are so many reasons why one might decide to medicate one's child. Some have to do with the reasons explained in another comment below: it might just be impossible for a child to "learn how to learn" without medication (and "learning how to learn" is way different from, and more important than, learning your timetables at the same age as the other kids). Another one is that it might be genuinely impossible for a child with ADHD to not completely freak out when they experience (what they might see as) rejection, confrontation, or even just simply a boundary put in place by a parent or educator - to the point that any effort to talk through it with them, in any way that would probably work with a non ADHD child, just fail. And yes, parenting a child with ADHD can be extremely hard, and there are so many thoughtless preconceptions about parents of ADHD children who medicate them just being "lazy" and wanting to "manage" their children, that I was disappointed to see you guys tapping into them. You have been at the receiving end of stereotypes and preconceptions yourself, come on, you can do better than this. One can, of course, have a reasoned, principled view against medicating children. But from you guys I expect that: a nuanced and reasoned argument, not some sweeping remarks which sounded a lot like the stereotypes often used against parents of ADHD children. My kid is 9 and a half and is not currently taking medication (he doesn't even have a confirmed diagnosis yet), but after years of trying to set consistent rules and reading through a lot of literature, I have decided to change my parenting until he will be offered treatment (medication and/or therapy), because trying to set certain boundaries, for instance, only backfires right now. So I prioritise love-bombing him, which of course I will carry on doing even after he is being diagnosed, but I am looking forward to at least exploring how medication might help him being more responsive to boundaries, more attuned to other people, etc. And believe me I have thought about this very hard, and read a lot. Similar stuff can be said about friendships, and that worries me even more because of course other kids will not be as patient with him as his parents are. So yeah, I would have appreciated a little more nuance. Looking forward to, maybe, an episode where you revisit this.
ADHD, to me, feels like driving in a car, except the car has a mind of it's own. I can't steer, hit the brakes, or hit the gas. Maybe I can manage a turn signal, but I'm at the mercy of some other being most of the time. There are times where the car is almost in an accident and suddenly I have control, but after the danger is past, the car takes over again
I dont have ADHD but i am schizoaffective so i relate hardcore to so many ADHD symptoms. The neural disconnects we schizfolk experience translate in a lot of similar ways like inability to follow through on decisions made, getting stuck on one input, easily overstimulated, millions of internal inputs (like jumbled racing thoughts)
I have both ADHD, Schizoaffective Disorder, and PTSD. It's hell.
I'm not diagnosed with ADHD, but here I am staying up until 5 watching sci-guys because I have an early appointment tomorrow.
Literally same. I need to go to the doctors about it and then just sit and think about going to the doctors it for hours.
@@joshuawelch8306 I'm terrified just thinking about the process
Yes I do have ADHD! And I have recently started medication.
As a neurodivergent person who has struggled with finding self-worth whilst society delights in telling them how they will miserably fail at all endeavours, I just wanted to say how awesome it is to see people with ADHD openly discussing their experiences, and showing viewers that they can achieve their goals and live fulfilled lives whilst dealing with symptoms. Thank you!
Also view above: Exhibit A of the wonderful run-on sentences of an ADHD person 😂.
Hear hear! :)
I raised an undiagnosed eldest child with ADHD + ASD + GATE. They tried school, but it wasn't a great fit. With the youngest, I knew from the outset that it was never going fit into school, so it wasn't worth trying, and he had school refusal anyway, but BOTH children had the choice to go to school or not throughout their childhoods. I prioritised my time to my children, because as a trained teacher I knew far too much about schools and so took the 'extraordinary back then' option to home educate my two offspring. We did for 16.5 years and had loads of learning and adventures. Met thousands of others locally and around Australia (where we live). This allowed me to follow each child and what their needs were. I'm not suggesting EVERYONE does this. I'm not writing this to gloat, but goodness if you are a parent who can choose to look back on a time you turned yourself into a pretzel to support the child, or a time you prioritised your own comfort? I won't get that time back, so I have zero regrets, and come lockdown I was well versed in working from home. If there's a way, it's worth going for it. They are worth it.
My eldest completed 2 'college' course between 15-17 and started working, the youngest completed 3 college courses at 17-18. Now they are now each 22 and 18 and starting their university degrees this week. So excited for them both.
My eldest got diagnosed very recently and the medication is working really well. I'm thrilled for them. We're all really glad that we took the path we did because we were able to modify our environment, so medication wasn't necessary. Getting diagnosed to access support in a school that may or may not fit or even happen, wasn't necessary. I knew both were 'spicy' but they were free to get 'labelled' or not. Something I just shared with my eldest while listening to this podcast was this:
||Free Mumma Memory for the day - sometimes as a child you would look like you were in a trance and be seated somewhere and because I was watching what you were doing I knew your brain was in 'stuck' mode, and so I would silently come over to you and put my hands out, and you would react by taking my hands, and we would lean towards me, and you'd stand, and you'd be off doing what you actually wanted to do, but your brain wouldn't let you. Often without saying a word.
Could be a helpful thing to 1) imagine I was in front of you silently, hands out for you to take, smiling at you with all the love and joy you fill me with for existing, zero judgement, total acceptance, and it might unstick you, thinking that there were these hands to grab, 2) tell people you live with to do this thing if they notice you doing this and offer you their hands.
Anytime, you were ACTUALLY just sitting there thinking we would just hold hands, and I'd tell you I love you. We'd chat, there would be a segue to food... you would let me know if it was stuck or fine, as with all advice entirely up to you to take or leave.||
Sharing in case there are people watching who might benefit reading about one approach a parent took, and also to thank you for doing this episode. It was incredibly helpful and relatable. I'm so glad RUclips exists. We used it SOOOOO much throughout our home ed adventure.
I think the paralysis is the WORST part for me. Like, how do you make yourself move when you want to but just.... Can't?
Hot take: I genuinely wish I had the opportunity to have been medicated as a child. I started medicating my adhd at 22, and I never realized just how absent I was for my entire life. I don’t think I ever really was present for an interaction longer than a couple seconds my entire life. I was just a ghost. I have severe issues with disassociation because that was largely how I coped with having no idea what was going on at any given moment, and because it didn’t take much for me to doubt the things I could remember with enough insistence by others.
I totally get that medicating kids is a dicey territory. I wouldn’t recommend it for everyone. But holy shit it would have changed my entire life to be able to be present like I can now
Same. Especially for Highschool where I self medicated a lot. 😂😂😂
This is literally my experience. I was told I had DPDR and thought that was it. But I went on phentermine for weight loss, and it changed my whole world. Now, I'm waiting for my psych eval, and realizing how many things I had discounted as personality quirks were coping mechanisms. The disassociation lifting was like seeing the world in color for the first time.
I have really severe ADHD, I tried both adderall and concerta but I honestly wasn’t able to get any of the benefits of medication because I also have really intense anxiety, and this combination made me extremely paranoid and on edge. The forgetting to eat thing is so real because it kills your appetite but you can’t feel hunger so you’re left feeling jittery and wired but you still have no appetite. It’s so strange. I wish they worked for me because they do help a lot of people but the side effects were too much for me
Oh man maybe another type of med might help? Adderall is better than Xanax for me (xans give me nightmares…awful ones. Worse than I’ve ever had now or since). I hope you’re able to find something that helps, pill or otherwise. Maybe ashwaganda or something. If you’re AFAB, chaste tree berry can help too (my family gives it to the lady horses to help their moods and it helps A LOT. My gyno said it’s safe for me so if your doc says it’s safe for you, go ahead. I have heard of amab people taking it and it helping but I haven’t experienced that. Chaste tree berry negates hormonal birth control though!!!)
Can't wait for this one!! I was literally listening to the adhd one last night and took my first modafinil pill yesterday and I was surprised at how fucking QUIET my mind was all of a sudden. Do neurotypical people really get this for free? lol love the podcast. Honestly can't wait!
I remember the first time I ever took any ADHD medication so clearly - I took a nap that day. I felt so calm and relaxed I was actually able to sleep during the day!!! That never happens without medication for me. If I doubted my diagnosis before, the medication confirmed it!
Can't wait for this episode either!
I was diagnosed in my 30s. My first day on a therapeutic dose I rang my friend in tears because "I didn't know it didn't have to be that hard" (specifically referrencing getting ready for bed - had the thought get ready for bed and was suddenly ready for bed, not still on the couch 3 hours later). Done wonders for my mental health. I had been internally thrashing myself constantly, for my whole life, for failing to do things I "should" be able to do. Also had been expending a lot of mental energy masking - to the point I had to fight my GP at the time for the psychiatric referral. Had a lot of people say they notice behaviours now they didn't before the diagnosis, because I have learnt to give myself the grace to just be.
I dont know if its just quiet there might be something wrong. Its supposed to be better/more controllable/not bad stuff happening like getting thoughts when its totally bad constantly and extremly but this is one of the least problematic things at all. Maybe your brians attempt to lern something/growing up/fixing some bug its more when u cant think empty brain is some of a problem id say. Maybe the thoughts just corrolate with discomfort that you "have to think" or you get discomfort. Then the discomfort is the problem not the thinking.
So the discomfort would be the adhd. Russel Barkley Phd sais one of the executive functions is mental images (and they have memorys/emotions usw attached to them) the brain can be super usefull. But if its just random thoughts idk. My memory was that those are the response to strong discomfort/boredom/los of pleasure/lack of drive and harmless. Id rather have them than a empty brain and no drive.
@@hanskraut2018 it’s more like this for me:
No meds: racing thoughts. Intrusive thoughts. Thoughts about thoughts on top of other thoughts. Oh and chores I have to do. Songs. Oh I like songs….constant loop. So loud. Then add to it, environmental things happening. Clock ticking, sick dripping. A recipe for overstimulation because everything is the same volume (LOUD). Also somewhere there’s a monkey with cymbals.
With med: a thought comes in. I act upon it or not. It goes away. Things are still and quiet, like a gentle meadow breeze. I can just have a thought and put it away. I don’t have to hear it constantly over and over with new ones piling on top endlessly.
It’s like a breath of fresh air. So much less anxiety. So much more patience :)
24:18 Using stress/ fear as motivator
36:24 What they're on
The taking a bath for 4 hours is so real holy fuck, my mom would get so mad because i would stay in the bath for HOURS on school nights. Even now whenever i happen to get a bath, i will stay for up to 5 hours if im allowed.
It’s so peaceful thooooo
Nobody expects you to do anything in the bath. You’re in the bath. I might have PDA though so 😅
really loved this episode
you should do an episode on the science behind dyslexia
I have ADHD and Autism, but have not yet gotten medication. I was just formally diagnosed in November and Im in my second semester of college, never previously had accommodations or anything. I have an appointment at the end of the month to start it, very excited for my brain to work as fast as it wants, and not be a nasa computer but instead with a 4gb RAM.
On medications and kids. Growing up with diagnosed but unmedicated OCD, anxiety, depression, and headaches. And undiagnosed ADHD. My parents were incredibly reluctant to allow me to be medicated for anything but asthma. I get it, and they cared a lot.
But I wish I had a time machine and I could go back in time and suggest that I be medicated.
The thing is its easy to choose 'don't medicate' because it feels like "Do the thing that has side effects" or "don't do anhything", are different choices. But meds and no meds both have side effects.
Taking meds and not taking meds are both actions. Both choices.
If you are uncomfortable about allowing kids to try meds, Try reversing the symptoms and side effects equation in your brain. If someone had a low appetite and dizzy spells, would you consider meds that reduce dopamine, disable the brain's reward system, reduce memory, increase anxiety, reduce concentration, and make a kid cry for three hours that they can't clean their room? No?
So why would you not try a medication that can create a low appetite and dizzy spells to treat all those symptoms?
Yes, I agree with the social model of disability, I am multiply disabled, and proudly nuerodivergent. Accomodations are essential, and society needs to change, and no child should be put on meds because it is more convenient for adults. But there is this extreme reluctance to give medicines to children, because its 'unatural'.
You know what's also 'natural; in childhood? Dying from vaccine preventable illness.
While I get what you are saying "why should we give a five year old a medicine that increases dopamine?" that's awful.
Would you give a five year old a medicine that reduces dopamine?
Its medical equivilent of the trolley problem.
Is it better to let a child struggle with low dopamine because it doesn't require any action.
Or is it better to pull the lever and try meds?
The question to ask is, are the possible side effects of stimulants worse than the side effects of low dopamine? Or are you just automatically choosing one over the other because one feels 'natural' and the other makes you feel morally responsible?
-Sincerely someone who is traumatised by going through OCD therapy without the assistance of medication because "we don't want to give meds to children".
Someone who missed so many activities I couldhave enjoyed with the help of a single paracetemol.
Someone who's self esteem may never be able to be salvaged from a life time of wondering 'if everyone else can just do the thing, why can't I"
I'm not saying just medicate kids. I'm saying examine why it makes you uncomfortable, and decide which parts of that are a rational cost-benefit analasis, and which are caused by ones own fear of being responsible
We're not saying medicating kids is bad - we're saying that medicating unruly children without providing other accommodations is bad. Obviously for some kids it's absolutely the best way forward - but ADHD in children is often viewed through the lens of its effects on parents, carers, and other adults; rather than focusing on the experience of the child.
Our point is that the decision to medicate should be based solely on what is best for the child & their development, rather than what makes them more manageable for adults.
I have ADHD and I take Vyvanse. I didn't take medicine most of my life for it, despite being diagnosed as a young child. My parents were always so proud of me for "getting through without medication." ....ignoring the fact that it was so hard for me to "get through."
Now, since being a parent of 2 young kids (currently 2 and 4.5), my ADHD has gotten harder to deal with and has interfered with my parenting more than I am okay with, so I sought medication and it is helping me be a more present parent.
OMG. I'm 62 and only got diagnosed as autistic last year...and I was sure I have no ADHD traits [and it wasn't really mentioned during my long and detailed assessments. HOWEVER. You just described SO MANY of my lifelong habits- the brinkmanship in getting anything done, the lying in bed thinking about getting up [often for most of the day at weekends], the total inability to crack on with anything I find boring. I was starting to identify PDA traits, but this is a surprise, and I'm a teacher. Most of the ADHD we see in action or in articles, as you said, is down to fidgety, inattentive or badly behaved kids. Blimey. Thanks for this!
SO I have ADHD and I don't take medication for it because I personally don't want to be on meds, just a personal thing, but as of the last year I've felt like I might need to reconsider, I usually manage on my own by setting 45 min intervals where i get up and do a walk around my office, and i snack on berries or sweet things to help me stay concentrated, but I was not diagnosed in school because I did very well, I was the top achiever and I won a lot of rewards and never got into trouble because of homework not done. So i had to figure out for myself what could work for me, I finally asked my psychologist to test me for adhd and my test results came back stating that i had moderate to severe ADHD, so besides my psychologist helping me I did my own research of like "how to work more efficiently for people with ADHD" and it's always advice for kids and how to set a routine, but routine doesnt work for me. I can make the prettiest schedules and plan my day out meticulously but it never works. I wish i could just get my brain to work like normal people's brains do ^^'
Yes!!! I’m so sick of the only advice being “get a planner” or “parents: how to cope with your heathen adhd sons” barely anything about adults, especially adult women, or girl children. I find a dedicated space helps me. I’m almost 30 but I’m in college and I love our “low distraction room” there’s white noise machines and a rocking chair and no one bugs me and it’s a room only meant for focus. I just hyperfocus and grind. I can’t do a whole day but I get a lot done that way. Obvs that doesn’t work for like a job but perhaps your local library has a private study room you could comindeer as your low distraction/dedicated work space. I never do anything that isn’t work in the low distraction room as to keep it “pure”. That’s why i can’t work at my desk which doubles as my vanity and gaming computer. Lol too multipurpose. Another thing that helps me is body doubling. There’s also videos and audio that are like “hog warts library” or stuff like that where its a study with me type video. Basically, take advice from ppl with adhd and not psych doctors who think they know
I have a mix of concentration issues (diagnosed), adhd and autism symptoms and dyslexia (also diagnosed). My whole family has adhd or autism or both. I don't take medication. Birthdays and holidays are very chaotic
I believe I have adhd and I’ve been finding out that adhd comes with comorbidities which makes since because for me ocd and autism also have symptoms close to what I have been experiencing. It’s so eye opening especially when I see it in my parents too 😂
I got diagnosed last year and I'm now on meds.
I have been diagnosed with anxiety and depression throughout my life. I got diagnosed in college with dyslexia so a lot of my adhd symptoms just got shoved in with it.
I knew something wasn't right because I managed to go and get a psychology n criminology degree and a masters degree in criminology (I put off going until I was 27 coz i just thought I was way too dumb), but struggled soooooo much more with certain things that dyslexic people may not so i was always so confused.
Then the lockdown happened, and I love alone lol, and it finally clicked! No internal eating pattern, hypersensitivity to background noises etc etc.
Thank god i got my diagnosis because it has helped me analyse every aspect of my life and help remove steps or blocks to things I struggled with before.
I have ADHD and I've always relied on waiting until things are last minute to get them done, using the deadline as a motivator, but recently, I've developed adrenal problems, so my body doesn't produce appropriate amounts of stress hormones anymore and it had totally destroyed my ability to do ANYTHING. Like in situations where I used to panic as I get right up to a deadline, I now just sit there, watch the deadline pass, and do absolutely nothing. Turns out, you can't use stress as a motivator if your body stops being able to produce an adequate stress response. It's been kinda crazy because I've have to completely change how I do anything since my biggest unhealthy coping mechanism just disappeared. I can't imagine how much worse it would have been if I hadn't been taking Vyvanse when it all happened.
I don't think I have ADHD, but I've never heard anything more relatable than you guys describing not being able to do anything until you get this anxiety rush a day or two before a deadline. OMFG, I feel so validated lol.
Maybe do an adhd questionnaire to see if you should pursue an assessment
That's not uncommon and it's not unique for people with ADHD.
@@medusaslair i mean, yea, i didnt say i have adhd, i said that i dont think i have adhd, but still it was nice to hear something that i could relate to so much
Laying in bed, not moving, watching this. I need to get up.
i crashed and burned so bad after gcses, i did almost no revision for any of them and got in the top two academically achieving students of the year but then when i went into a levels i just couldn't concentrate and do the work outside of lessons and it got to the point where i had to change my two exam vased subjects down to as levels and even those were a struggle
I am so glad I got my diagnosis ahead of my son and started medication ahead of him. I had the experiences and understanding to comprehend and then verbalise what was happening in my head.
Rebound, especially on short acting stimulants, is hard to manage sometimes as an adult. The theraputic dose is weird, for many it isn't like other medications where the effectiveness tapers on and off. It can not work at all at several doses then suddenly you hit that sweet spot. But kids aren't as involved in there medical xare as they should be, feelings of parents and teachers are often weighted weigh too high.
I spend so much time trying to explain how things can feel to parents on FB groups. A lot of kids take meds for school and are hitting rebound as they get home and their parents think it is useless or makes their kids worse. When it may be really helpful for them during the day, but they are in rebound, often mixed with masking burnout, and if an adult brain has trouble regulating that state, poor kids and teens often don't stand a chance.
I have always attempted to maintain an open dialogue with my son about his experiences. Helped him (with the assistance of his psychologist, OT and speech therapist) to build up language to use to express things to us. I have worked hard to validate his feelings and take him seriously. He takes a combination of Amoxetine and Ritalin. He hates swallowing pills, which I get, but I have always treated medication as medication and I've always given them medication with an explanation as to why. He understands why he has medication and that the mechanics of the two are different which is why one is a daily thing and one has some flexibility. Amoxetine he has to take daily, we negotiate the Ritalin - I home school him which gives me some flexibility - days we have appointments, certain kinds of social gatherings and things he takes the Ritalin. Days we are at home or the external expectations are lower he doesn't have to, and I attempt to adjust my expectations accordingly. (I say attempt because I am human. But I work with our respective psychologists to hold my self accountable, acknowledge fault and consequences of my actions, intentional or not, and paths to repair.)
Also, as was mentioned, medication is a tool to help manage ADHD. It isn't a cure. ADHD isn't a disease. And the medication will only be effective as a part of a support plan. If kids are medicated but aren't helped external to that then the medication isn't being given the chance to be effective. But kids have so little autonomy that without adults who have some awareness that are actively attempting to accommodate them then no amount of medication is likely to meaningfully assist them in their lives.
I’m almost 30. Diagnosis before august 2022 included anxiety and pmdd. Doctors and therapist was sure I didn’t have adhd. I did well in school. In aug 2022 I got adhd testing. And yes, I have it. The only reason I
suspected adhd is because of tiktok. I started talking to family about it and come to find out my mom has adhd. Adhd can be genetic. I have all the same symptoms she has as well as the symptoms I’m seeing on tiktok. Doctor said the adderall would make my anxiety worse. It literally took away all my anxiety and most of my pmdd symptoms. Without it, I feel hopeless and worthless during my monthly time. That’s pmdd. My intrusive thoughts are so unbearable I’m sick of hearing them telling me to drive into traffic. Would they stop if I listened? So amphetamines literally cured my anxiety. I was low key thinking about unaliving before my diagnosis. I know the way I feel isn’t typical. I just want to feel “normal” like I fit in and have access to the manual the rest of the world has for seeming to know how to act. I don’t get it and it compounds my anxiety. I wish little me could have had meds. I’d be so different now if I hadn’t been left untreated and undiagnosed.
Yet more reasons to try and get a diagnosis, now to try and actually go about doing that. Who knows how long that will take
I woz ere and I enjoyed this. Thank you!
I have to come back to this video because adhd.
Noah ur hair is always on point.
I have adhd and take Adderall, but after hearing your explanation of how it and specifically other medications work, I'm interested in asking my doc about trying something else. I've always disliked the idea that all I'm doing is throwing more dopamine at something that's struggling to pick it up. I'm interested in how a re-uptake inhibitor might work differently (better?) for me
I'm convinced I have ADHD and have had substance problems throughout life which I believe was my attempt to self medicate.
I've grown to love this show to the point where I need to watch it daily! All credit for giving interesting content, hope the subs count rockets.
12:03 I think this whole list is the most relatable thing I've ever heard,, like, I have an appointment booked for next week to try and get diagnosed with adhd,, bc last time I went a year and a half ago they were like, yeah, sounds like adhd, so how are your marks? Oh, straight A's? Prolly abnormal presentation of anxiety fam(and I mean, I did have that, but--), go address that first and if the symptoms go away, it's anxiety,, if not, fome back and we'll look at adhd,,,,, so that doctor moved to a different city,, so now I'm doing it again with my new doctor,, and I was lowkey second guessing things bc, like,, I know I struggle,, but then sometimes I'm like,,, but what if I'm faking it tho?,,, so to hear lists like this and have them be the most relatable thing of stuff I hadn't even related or thought of as symptoms is so reassuring rn, like,, love that for me
Thank you for this, it showed me that I really really should make the appointment to finally get my adhd Meds. I was diagnosed last year, I'm non binary, 32 years old, before I had a Borderline diagnosis and it always bothered me, because I knew that I didn't have borderline but it took 10 years to finally get the right diagnosis.
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This coming out shortly after I set an appointment to get checked for adhd is divine and I refuse to believe it's a coincidence
i love that you made this episode, i did the exact same thing, i didn't do any revising for my a levels, but now i'm struggling at uni especially with all the freedom
I'm like 90% sure I have ADHD I should go to gp abt it but just kinds haven't yet. I'm constantly getting shit from my parents about not meeting school deadlines ect. I get that if I told them I'd go to the gp and they'd understand more but I just haven't plucked up the courage to have that conversation yet
I live in America and in the 2nd grade I would be kinda loud and interrupt and jump up and down during classroom games. My 2nd grade teacher took it upon herself to tell my parents she thought I had ADHD. So when I was SEVEN I got put on Ritalin. I even got put in extended release with a BOOSTER after school bc id come home and be so tired or sick to my stomach (bc appetite suppression + I now think I'm hypoglycemic) and I ended up losing a lot of weight from the medication which is the only reason I was taken off of it. To reiterate, I was 7 years old taking immediate and extended release Ritalin for just being a little disruptive. I personally think all it did was wreak havoc on my little kid body and it did not help me whatsoever.
I now have an autism diagnosis that more clearly explains my behavior (whether it's just asd or asd+adhd) and I've only ever taken ritalin again when I had an ED and wanted the appetite suppression (very bad I know).
Thats my experience with adhd meds 🤷♂️
my sister would have needed ritalin to be able to play when she was 4, she did not have the executive function to play without it, she got ritalin when she was 6 and she was only diagnosed with adhd because her presentation was that of a stereotypical boy with adhd except in a girl while she was at school. same for my other sister except her teacher told her taking adhd medication is the same as doing drugs so she refused to take it and is unmedicated and miserable, she often has outbursts of anger and frustration because she can't make herself turn on the tv and ps5 even tho she wants to play a game. i really want to meet that teacher of hers some day.. i only want to talk to her..
i did not present like a stereotypical boy, i usually liked what we learned in school and was good at that. but i never did home work and my math teacher hated me because i was smarter than him and could do those complicated calculations in my head and only wrote down the answer. so in 9th grade he made up the rule that if we did not write down every single step we took to get to the answer we got 0 points. he did that specifically to fuck me over for being smarter than him. because of that i went from perfect score in maths to almost failing 1 year after we got him in 8th grade, because my brain worked faster than my hand could write and so i would often forget like a subtraction step because my brain just automatically did all the steps without me actively making the decision to do that.
we are given stimulants first because usually people with adhd have paradox reactions to substances, so like for example coffee often makes people with adhd tired or even fall asleep.
i had the same reactions you mentioned for ritalin but with medikinet, so they put me on elvanse/vyvanse and i have all the benefits and after 2 weeks none of the negatives, at first i had a bit of an issue with a dry mouth(, nose and eyes) but i was just dehydrated from forgetting to drink before i had the right medication. also elvanse works for 12-14 hours, so only 1 pill a day that i take 30 minutes before i have to get up so when i have to get up it has started working and it still works when i get home, so i can focus on the things i actually want to do and not only while i am doing my job.
I was diagnosed with depression in university and given SSRIs that just didn't work. I tried different doses but I just didn't feel like they were helping. I thought maybe I was on the wrong kind but I didn't want to go through trying loads of meds so I went off them. Later when I was assessed for ADHD, I mentioned this to my doctor and he nodded and said that happens a lot. I likely wasn't depressed at all, I was stressed and struggling with my ADHD which was making me feel like a failure which was making me sad. I was treating the wrong thing so of course the SSRIs weren't working
I was listening about kids on drugs. And I wanted to add that if your first generation diagnosed the parents can have now club how to deal with adhd. And they often have adhd themselves so they can't be the stable influence in there life to help them. And making friends can be so difficult. You where talking that some experiences from adhd is because symptoms and some are shared struggles. As a kid learning socialization. You often have parents finding out they have adhd because there kid gets diagnosed. Now you not only have to restructure your kids life but also rethink your own. In a perfect world it might not be needed when all the kids in school know why your different and your teachers and parents know how to deal with it. But it seems extremely hard and they might struggle with socializing like I did if they fall behind. And kids are brutal
I take one for the medications because I have narcolepsy a neurological sleep disorder characterized by day time sleepiness and the medication keeps me awake
I have ADHD but do not currently take meds but I’m going to be trying it out hopefully soon!
coming back to watch this as a celebration of my first day on lisdexamphetamine 😎 (im doing well so far, but it's only 8:20am)
The paradox of trying to get a diagnosis for ADHD: "I'm pretty sure I have ADHD, I should look into that sometime", then months (and a lot of ADHD content later: "ffs I REALLY need to try geting a diagnosis... but I can't bring myself to do it, because I have ADHD"
fml honestly
Love how my timers for my laundry are sci guys episodes
I do have ADHD and I do take medication!
I take adderall and my friend alex once said "so basically you get high asf and your adhd gets slightly less noticeable?" 😂😂
hearing your reactions to taking medication on an empty stomach is so weird because that is my exact reaction to caffeine on an empty stomach.
There’s dopamine releases that happened when caffeine is consumed
The amount I related to not using the toilet till my kidneys hurt and then still not going 😭 27:14
This has also got me thinking whether I have ADHD…
Thank you for always researching so much and for openly talking about your experiences.
i think i have adhd but not diagnosed or medicated
this video is really making me reevaluate what i know about myself 😀
I've never written an essay plan. Everything you say is so relatable. I was diagnosed with depression as well. I think I'm ADD, but 🤷🏼♀️
I'm not saying it's unequivocably goodto treat small kids with meds, but man, the number of Times my adhd brother was in physical danger at that age. He fell into bodies of water All. The. Time. He bit his tongue off jumping from the sofa. Stuff like that.
So true at ~25-30min
That makes me wonder, I’m awaiting a diagnosis, I’ve always struggled but a few years ago I was put on an evil antidepressant that affects norepinephrine as well as serotonin, and all my daily symptoms of adhd/autism were seriously compounded. Now I’ve been off it 6 weeks the distressing symptoms are relaxing back to my normal levels of difficulty. I’m hoping this experience can help the assessor because otherwise it was hell for nothing.
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Definitely have ADHD, used to be medicated, but stopped about halfway through university. I do sometimes wonder if I should be medicated again.
i am definitely neurodivergent, but i’m not sure if it’s adhd, autism, or a mix of both. i take allergy meds, but that’s it
i was supposed to start vyvance yesterday, went to the pharmacy to see when it could be picked up and they havent had the generic for months and the non generic is over 200$ USD out of pocket with insurance- i dispise america-
It's almost as if school doesn't give us the tools we actually need for life
I have ADHD, Autism, Generalized Personality Disorder, and Depression...I am starting to wonder if the Anxiety and Depression are just symptoms of the ADHD and Autism not being managed well enough...
I was diagnosed a bit over a year ago now and went through the process of checking if I could start taking medication, everything seemed fine, but after the last check up they called me in again to do the same test again (some heart test thing I don’t remember the name) and afterwards I got told that I can’t take any, cuz it could cause me to get heart issues in my later years. The only option that’s left was apparently to start an anti depressant, but with how long they take to start helping it’s not really an option in my current situation and I’m not super fond of the idea. So currently stuck having to go though a schedule I have no interest in and having no real support.
I’ll apparently be able to retake the tests in a year or two and see if the issue is still there, we’ll see how things go
I had the opposite as a teen I was looking for stuff and all I could only find 5 year old and 27 year old people stuff
Hey guys, absolutely love your podcast! Could you do a one on narcolepsy? I really think it could be an interesting one and would help people understand more :)
I'm not diagnosed but I am sitting here, watching this episode instead of doing homework because I can't focus and relating to everything they are talking about😅😂
My adhd is really bad but i keep procrastinating going to a psychologist (i also have other issues)
We have a adhd medication shortage in the USA. I wish I could switch my profession and become a farmer. I feel like a farmer wouldn’t need meds. Office work tho…..
Relly awesome memorys when you made examples of the medicine expereinces. Episode on some parts could have been way longer.
I got diagnosed at 22 after taking myself to psychiatrist and was prescribed Ritalin which did not work for me - made me super aggressive and sent me into the worst depression I have ever been on. I've now been on straterra (atomoxetine) for 4 years and it's been life changing but I definitely can tell when I forget to take it for a day or two 🫠 but I guess not every medication will work for everyone and it takes some trial and error to find what works best for you. loved all the detail and info you have put out on ADHD in this episode.
I do have adhd and take medication
You cant imagine it because your and most is super badly tiltrated. But sure even for a kid if it feels the same as when you are an adult and your brain already has the adhd problem/whatever adhd is it might feel way worse or the same i see your hesitation for sure. But ja needs more details cant assuming in eather way
am i the only one crying over the part of rejection sensitivity dysphoria?
I might have adhd but I am not diagnosed or medicated
That’s so odd! I’m on Guanfacine for hyperadraneric POTS so blood pressure regulation basically. I am turning 18 soon, wonder why they wouldn’t give it to adults….
corry: nice jumper ;D/
I've never felt so seen
I have ADHD, but sadly, none of the meds have worked for me.
I was diagnosed at 41, so I really understand the lack of information for adults. One of the bad things about the information for children is that they assume that the parents are neurotypical, so wasn't terribly helpful for those of who were both ADHD and raising an ADHD kid
What’s an essay plan?? 😂
Outline
Yes and yes 😂
Probably, not diagnosed but I really think I do 😅
I don't think so .....
Chalk this comment up to my ADHD impulsiveness, but I'd marry @NotCorry in a heartbeat 🥴👉👈
Jesus christ the first 30 minutes seem so trivial/non issues compared to my adhd exp xD of course it sucks but Jesus sounds like a great time.
Maybe thats the smiling while telling sad storrys that is also a issue. I noticed that people could seem extremly sad/almost before tears when tellling the teacher about stuff that was worse than what happened to me and i could not so they would be taken way more seriously with the best medication dose (eventho my life was better than ever before) i almost had zo held myself back since when i would complain about minor things like before it would send so inanely sad/ arousing pity. Its almost my brain worked and i could remember the emotion i felt then so good that i could feel it in that moment but it was a automatic subcontiously process.
I did not even pay much attention since it was almost like normal life(why would i question it its normal - but it wasn’t, thats the power of normal people and „producing emotions that help in your goal pursuit“
There is a very interesting medicine from Japan that is commonly used to treat ADHD and that doesn't come with side effects. It is not really used in Europe only because plant based medicine (not homeopathic shit, but seriously effective) is not respected in the Western world
A lot of medicine in the western world is plant based - we just find the pharmacologically active molecules & produce them industrially.
@@SciGuys Well sure, but certain plants have so many secondary chemicals that producing the similar composition industrially would be way more of an effort. The combined plant extracts are even more effective as many professional studies show. Anyway I'm just gonna repeat my whole university lecture if I don't stop now
I'm pretty sure I do have ADHD hehw
I like the sci guys so much more when the fifth sci guy Noah Finnce is present! I'm a big fan! I watch sci guys when I'm bored. It's very cool. I love Corey so much! And then sometimes Noah is here! It's great. I'm happy. Very. I want to meet them. It's on my bucket list. I wish to be friends with them. It makes sense to me. I like smart people. And ones that are so handsome! I feel inspired to be who I am. (My nonbinary pride flag came in the mail recently. I hung it in my room next to my lesbian pride flag. I'm not a lesbian. I'm nonbinary and bisexual. However, I really have always loved the colors of the lesbian pride flag so much. I wanted one bc I think I identify as female more often than male. For example I'm not getting top surgery. I think I'll keep my breasts. I don't feel dysphoric about them. I thought I might be transgender for awhile until I learned I don't have dysphoria. Lesson learned. I thought this maybe bc super straight men started to make me feel a certain way. I became aware of toxic masculinity. I felt bad about my part in perpetuating the evil cycle. Thanks for informing me on what it means. I didn't know. I took the information to heart. I now do something about my behavior. I pay attention. Last week I rejected a man who was pushy with me AND he didn't think black lives matter. I said no and walked away. You're welcome. I won't be seen with such a insensitive perv!
yes adhd, no medication…yet
about to start meds! picking them up tomorrow 👀
I don’t think adhd ppl have anything wrong w them. It’s just our modern world isn’t designed for us. We need exiting stimulating jobs. Modern jobs are not that in the traditional sense. I bet if you put us in a survival situation we would be better than normies. Or at least be an integral part of the team during a situation like that.
The modern world is more about inaction and waiting and going through bureaucratic hoops and more waiting. Like. To an add person it’s like. Let’s go!!! The waiting is torture.
You dont give a stimulant so a kids fullfills dayily task. You forget the part about every part of your life including how you feel is way worse? xD Better make them depressed and deperately trying to take drugs failing and ending up homeless better. Or some shitty destroyed halv life while being insanely pissed and maybe some crazy radical.
Like that kinda shows you seem to miss a lot of the adhd sympthoms maybe you dont have severe one or you forgot it? I forgot insane things before. You also are on medicaiton and maybe miss some tiny bit of selfawareness like a younger kid that forgot some things like "oh if i do that then they will cut the electricity from brothers house, i forgot that" idk. Its strange. I also fealt like that when i was younger before i got more depressed, maybe if you turn on your smart PFC then you feel worse and if you dont turn it on you stell less adult/crazy and you feel better.
Maybe you still are in that mode idk....
I got diagnosed last year after summer after many years of thinking that I might be neurodivergent + having been asked in two different jobs if I has adhd as I struggled so much. but I constantly forget to take my meds, if I don’t take them early in the morning and then it’s 11am and I’ll just think that it’s too late so it’s not worth taking it anymore 🫥