Why do people laugh at FLAT EARTHERS! (Part 2)
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"Gravity is a religion"
Finally A religion i can fall for
Yeah but it gets me down some days..
A religion that makes it hard to stand up for
It's certainly more attractive than all other religions
Whoa... That's heavy.
The religon that everybody understands the gravity of the situation.
Sending thunderf00t to debunk flat earthers is like sending the US navy to get someone out of a pool.
And to be fair, it's the shallow end of the pool in Nathans case.
..or like asking a math professor to add the price of this apple to the price of this orange, because that's too complicated for a normal person...
@@paulmurgatroyd6372 I was thinking puddle.
It's more like giving someone a snorkel and flotation device to keep them alive in a bathtub, and they still manage to drown.
@@paulmurgatroyd6372 nah mate he’s on the sidewalk lmao
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain
These guys will never actually debate someone who can competently debunk them, they know they will be forced to give so much ground when you can go point by point from first principles through to gravitational theory. Thats why they only respond via video or debate idiots in their own community who believe slightly less nonsense.
You beat an idiot by pretending they are 5, and start from the beginning.
@Dan Ryan ur a funny dude. I like you.
But if nobody argues with an idiot, how will we get our entertainment?
Other version is "never argue with a half-way as witnesses won't be able to tell the difference".
Flatearther are idiots because they don't listen.
A good example of a vacuum is what is between flat-earthers' ears!
The clip of the astronaut on the moon dropping the hammer and the feather and then saying that Mr. Galileo was correct always makes me so happy for some reason
It's his sheer titillation at seeing something first, I believe
I love that he sounds surprised !
@@marktunney5000 Imagine if the hammer fell faster, OR THE FEATHER. I mean there were probably previous experiments on earth that proved the theory well beyond a reasonable doubt, but there is always a tiny percentage of doubt... So I understand the excitement.
@@somethingelse4424 there was no doubt. This experiment in particular has been done so many times for the last 500 years that there was no doubt whatsoever. Newtons calculations described gravity and the motion of objects centuries ago. If the motion of objects and by consequence that experiment suddenly didn't work as expected they would never have gotten to the moon in the first place.
I love how confident and obnoxious they are
I wish I believed in something as much as these idiots believe the earth is a thin disk. Or plane. They have passion.
Confidence comes from re-confirmation of one's stance.
Re-confirmation comes from bubbling.
All people in bubbles are very confident.
This is why they go to their own forums, their own streams, their own little world.
Phil is pretty cocky as well.
really?
Because that's the part that scares me😅
You forgot that they are also too stupid to understand that the may be wrong like : "ooooh the earth is definetly flat. Everything you're saying is wrong. This isn't debunking. I 100% believe God shet the earth out in a 7 day journey to the toilet."
Did the guy just say that “thunderfoot was a fraud like the people he is trying to debunk”. Did he just admit he was a fraud?
Really good point =)
Yeah I caught that as well 🤣
Nathan has been caught sending Sheepy Worrier texts in the back chat before that prove he is a complete POE.
He’s only in it for the money.
Nathan Oakley does this for money only. He doesnt belive in a Flat Earth. He knows he is a fraud, thats why one of his favourite insults is blablabla FRAUD ....
he is a hard coin h. Speaking out to Channels with probably a 1000x bigger followage is just his way of attention and money seeking. TBF no one should give him attention, but since he tries to influence so many ppl to repeat his stupid it´s that dangerous point where u have to decide bewteen debunking a lying dipshit and giving him attention he doesnt deserve or let him loose and let him continue to "brainwash" the even more stupid ppl.
I noticed that too, really shows how smart he is
27:24 people like professor brian cox make it clear that gravity is not really a force at all
... end quote because rest of his sentence shows I'm complete idiot
"Show me the non-physical container".
I can't: it's non-physical.
is "physical" the same as tangible or material? because not all physical phenomena are tangible :)
or non-physical things are non-presentable? :)
@@windigo000 physical is something that have a form, you cant see wind bc dont have any physical form
Speaking of non-physical containers, if you’re up to a challenge. ruclips.net/video/EIyjH2v4vmA/видео.html
“Genesis 1:6 is valid, the Earth is obviously a sphere. BUT, the Firmament is very REAL.”
Prove me wrong, I dare you :-)
@@ReiChiquita567 wind does have a physical form tho,it's made of air,wich is made of atoms like everything else.
Well, uh... are radiowaves physical? what about radiation?
"I'll make it idiot-proof."
That's impossible, as has been said many times, if you try to make something idiot-proof, the world will produce a better idiot.
@Marian Gherca More like 'devolution' I‘d say...
Is that a fucking Challenge?
@@Mychel_Nox It's the evolution of ideas. Designers can only design against bad ideas which they themselves are also capable of producing. But the nature of a supremely awful idea is that the only way it can be produced is by believing that it's a good idea. If the designer thinks it's a good idea, they won't design against it. If the designer thinks it's a bad idea, they won't be able to think of it. This means that no object can be proofed against such ideas. This leads to the conclusion that the only way an idiot-proof object can be operated is either with a good idea, or an extremely bad one. This encourages people who cannot produce good ideas to produce extremely bad ones. Which leads to the final conclusion: Were an idiot to encounter an idiot-proof object, they would just become an even greater idiot to outplay it. Or worded otherwise:
"If you make something idiot-proof, someone will just make a better idiot."
Yeah well, the thing is, he can make it idiot-proof, but not retard-proof.
Everyone has limitations, Thunderf00t included.
@András Fogarasi I should have added a 'lol' or some more indicators there to make it clearer, that it was a joke (putting 'devolution' in quotes wasn‘t enough apparently ✌️😘). I know that 'evolution' is the correct term for the process at work, but the intellectual laziness of those flat earthers feels more like we - as a species - are regressing instead of evolving.
Again... it was a joke mate. ✌️
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." - Qui-Gon Jinn, The Phantom Menace.
I like to think that Jar Jar was a secret Sith all along, pulling the strings ;-)
"The ability to quote a lame fictional character doesn't make you edgy or clever" - unknown
@@elgatofelix8917 probably neiither does quoting any kind of written work, just because the quote sounds elegant
"Have you ever heard the tragic story of Darth Plagueis the wise?"
"Why do I sense we have picked up another pathetic life form"
The primary weapon of the flat earther: Slinging insults at people who try to explain things to them they don't understand.
Didn't Socrates say: 'When a debate is lost, slander becomes tool of the loser'?
This is the first time in our history that the morons and retards have a platform to reach out their peers...
Just ignore them and laugh behind their backs. You can say what you want about flattards, but they are very entertaining...
@@sjaakvkoten6061 disagree, they are not entertaining, at least not any more for me. I laugh at them at first too, but it gets old.
I’m a retard but I know the earth is flat and gravity exists and I find it deeply insulting that you comped me to this moron what I’m trying to say is even retards think flat earthers are dumb 😂
@@gundamzeta3447 Just by recognising that you have a lot more to learn is a huge step forward to enlightenment. Flat earthers are incapable of this one important step.
Wow, this is brutal. Its all too obvious which one of them has a PhD in Chemical Science and which one still lives in his mom's basement.
@@ganfort01 ok
To be completely fair - in OTHER videos Thunderf00t sometimes makes mistakes/empirical assumptions.
which is completely normal, since no scientist has a PHD in everything.
@@googleuser9383 It probably bc a lot of videos of thunderfoot debunking stuff are made as hobbies and not as fact checked as his other in dept science videos seeing that he pulls info out of Wikipedia for approximations
Dr Robert Sungenis has a Ph.D in Religious Studies
One thing you can be certain of when talking to any Flat Earther.
They will have no idea how to apply basic Math and are easily confused by 3D geometry.
This is the common denominator with every Flat Earther.
Start hitting them with basic trigonometry or ask them to explain the operation of an Equatorial Mount and you will see what I mean.
Got to say Wolfie, you are a wrecking ball against these guys. Top notch videos
When he started tracking the sun with an equatorial mount I immediately thought of you Wolfie. The fact that the sun could be tracked with this method at all disproves a few flat earth fallacies in one go.
Wolfie6020 The REAL Expert in flying and dealing with flattards.
Love your content.
There really does seem to be a heavy correlation between most flat-earthers and very low spatial intelligence. Those dice in Ilustrated Science that you have to mentally fold and tell which of the already-folded dice correctly portrays how it'd look. I can assemble it in my head, so I can solve the "puzzle" if the correct die is portrayed sitting on the same side as the one I had to "fold", but if it's on any other side, I can't do it. I can't visualize it rotating and retaining all of its sides, because my spatial intelligence is too low (just tried as I was writing that and realised I might be able to improve it, by just starting with memorizing two of the sides and retaining those as it rotates. Then 3, then 4 etc. I'll try that!).
I can't even find my way around parts of my town I've lived in my whole life and been to countless times before, cause I can't visually "zoom out" in my mind so to speak and see the structure of the area as a whole from above (though that one is low spatial intelligence + bad visual memory).
Even I, practically being spatially retarded (lol) have been shocked talking to a few flat-earthers, by their inability to visualize even the most basic size-distance perspectives. If it's within a size limit they can see with their EYES, then they're fine and they "believe" it. Make it too big for their eyes to be able to see the whole thing, they can't use their minds to enlargen it and apply the same scaling rules and effects on it, as they know to exist with smaller things, like a ball appearing smaller and smaller the further away it moves.
@blackrave404 - Yeah, certain games are very helpful in that department! Especially a Steam game called The Bridge. It's based on dimensions and space the same way M. C. Escher's drawings are. Amazing game and definitely puts one's spatial perceptions to the test as it increases in difficulty. I got stuck at a later stage and refuse to cheat by looking anything up, but this has motivated me to get back to it. :D
If it looks like a conman, and quacks like a conman, then in my opinion... its probably Nathan Oakley.
or Mark Sargent :D
Air pressure at sea level vs. Air pressure on a tall mountain, also a good demonstration of air pressure without a container..
Indeed, if gravity wasn't real and there was some sort of container keeping the air in. Then you wouldn't see a pressure gradient with altitude at all, air pressure would be constant.
I was about to comment this, you beat me to it haha
@@thegreatestdane8978there are probably dozens of examples and experiments you could do with vacuum Chambers open containers and spin gravity that you could test on earth.
I don't think it's a matter of an example it's a matter of an example these idiots would understand. "I'm too thick to understand this mildly complex system that people figured out and proved hundreds of years ago. Therefore it mustn't be true."
The birthplace of the emagram...
that would require these people to leave their basements and take a hike
I tried to escape the religion called gravity but it wouldn't let me leave and kept me grounded.
Nice one
What a cruel lord that gravity is. We must slay it.
Gravity is overrated.
@@googleuser9383 man that's heavy
"Gases are not made up of molecules like solids" - Some crazy flat earther 2020
That’s just proof the education systems are failing at a very early stage.
They are made of Magic!!!
Things like common core math teach children more to follow orders than to critically think, giving hire marks to those who followed steps that those who came to the correct conclusion
Is funny that conspiracy theorist always go against the physical sciences but never against Math or engineering. Lol.
@@justinrducharme Can't blame the Education System for Psychological disorders....
"You don't know science" he says to a Doctorate of Chemistry.
I swear if dead bodies turned in their graves, we could power the world on Issac Newton's remains.
don't forget Charles Darwin, Galileo,and all theses scientist that dedicated their lives to science.
@@cephalonbob15 woah, we just wanna power the earth not shoot it clear of the Milky Way!
Could power the alternative universe.
LOL
Well he's the guy who thinks that a "demonstration" using bouncy balls to represent gas movement is a literal representation. He thinks we are literally saying gas is the same as a bouncy ball. He cherry picks everything he sees fit. This is the same for most them. All the scientist and NASA astronauts and everyone with credentials are stupid fake liars but a child beater on the internet who can't convert meters into kilometers is one of the the people to figure it all out. Although I belive Nathan is just a Poe. Does it for the money and a sense of self worth everytime he puts people down.
SciManDan did the bit about Oakley a few videos ago. Where he went from 0 to 100 in 2 seconds. He needs some serious help. Let's face it, no way in hell he'll say that to someone's face in public. He hides behind his computer screen and his mute button with his panel of mega geniuses. Ie: Thompson, Riley, Arjwin.
When I first heard about him I challenged him to a debate on a neutral channel. Just like all the other challenges by others he bitched out. I'm also not a RUclipsr or a Proffesor. Shows you his personality right there.
I love how they pick & choose which “natural laws” they want to use.
This is perhaps the most fascinating phenomenon out of all of this. It's not just limited to 'Flat Earthers'.
Confirmation Bias in general fascinates me to no end.
christians are another perfect example, especially the young earth brigade.
Nathan really likes to use that term. He's constantly saying something is in violation of natural law when he can't tell you what these natural laws are.
It's a tactic that works with their fans.
They don't debunk the argument someone makes, or even the evidence. They find something to twist and mock. They are more akin to school yard bullies than debunkers.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is strong. They fully believe that they're experts but in reality they're beyond incompetent. It's as fascinating as it is sad
"Thunderf00t clown! That's the best insult I've ever come up with, you can tell by how confident I am when I say it."
I hate Nathan Oakley, he mutes people during debates to make it look like he's left them speechless. While they're muted he just says nasty things to them, he's not worth debating unless you don't let him host it so he can mute you. Someone actually did a debate with him and recorded it on their side and compared it to his video... Ridiculous
Its funny how people offering explanations and testable hypotheses and procedure to check the results are at worst addressing incorrect ideas while not calling people 'clown' every 5 seconds with a smarmy smile, and yet the ones who take offence to their (uh....considering the lack of thought I not sure this is the right word, but...) ideas being proven wrong as a personal insult to their very being since they are 'just asking questions' but offering nothing but endless contrarianism jump to insulting the person directly.......Hrmmm, I wonder if that is indicative of anything.....
Link please
I'm chuckling before the video even starts, flat earthers are comedy gold.
they're ok with it because they don't rely on condescension for self esteem.
Right?? 😂🤣
Hi Dave, I just can't laugh at flat earthers because they are so gob-smackingly stupid I find it offensive. They rubbish a few centuries of scientific achievement, but are quite happy to believe in magic woo woo to explain their warped ideas.
@@knockeddownanotch Apparently they don't believe in the condensation of steam, either.
@@Chris_the_Muso They make me mad but I also laugh at them. They're intellectually dishonest. For example, they bought a laser ring gyro, used it, found a 15°/hr drift, which is consistent with a rotating earth, and they blamed it on "heavenly energies" despite saying it would prove the earth was flat if it showed 0°/hr. You don't make predictions, then make up excuses when you don't get the result you want, and call that science and except to be taken seriously.
I’m not sure what’s worse, that Nathan has no idea how stupid his claims are, or that he does know but just doesn’t care.
The latter is worse, a stupid person being themselves is at least honest
@@FlashDAH I'm not as sure that I can say which is worse, but they're both so low that the bottom of the barrel is gone, they've made it through the concrete, and they're digging for coal now.
I think Nathan took method acting too far.
he knows, he cares, he's just being a massive troll. Nobody in 2020 really believes the Earth is flat. Even aboriginal people in the remaining parts of the Amazon rain forest know the Earth isn't flat. I wouldn't have given him the validation.
@@treyquattro Sadly many do actually believe and are genuine. It's a cult. Nathan doesn't though, he's just in it for the money.
There are many ex-flat earthers who fell into it, then learned for themselves. People wouldn't dump the amount of money into superchats to Nathan if they weren't genuine.
It's sad.
Just because aboriginals (or uncontacted tribes, even), don't believe it's flat doesn't mean that people who live in western countries with access to RUclips don't get drawn into a conspiracy that makes them feel special for "knowing" something that others don't.
Nathan "slap my child" Oakley never has an argument with someone of regular intelligence unless he's in control of his precious mute button.
And can yell at them while also insulting them because he's a coward just like Adam (a.k.a. LEO).
@@heliocentricprophet4457 i was thinking he has a tantrum every time someone disagrees with him, then he starts to bully them
I just looked into that and was unsurprisingly disappointed. The fucker triggered my PTSD. But as I'm seeing my counselor first thing in the morning, that may even be a good thing. ;P Yeah, I'm not kidding honestly.
My god, there are so many leeches like this walking the earth. Just muddling through, being utterly mediocre at best, belittling and abusing everyone they can get away with, and projecting that all away onto someone else.
It's never their fault.
Thrash Fucking Slime.
@@FroggyMosh The last video I watched was the Frontline doc on Alex Jones. He commandeered the language of victimhood long enough to describe his narcissistic contrarianism as a form of psychosis in order to wave off a lawsuit. Then he went right back to being a fucking lunatic, of course. I truly believe that these people believe their own bullshit, nobody is playing 4-D chess at Data level in THIS timeline.
"thunderfoot does not know science"
That's a bold move cotton, let's see how it plays out for him!
hit the page it's explained
Ah yes, the usual "I'm going to talk really loudly so I sound intelligent."
Checkmate, Liberals.
@@captainnyet9855 what does this have to do with liberalism??
Try showing them dry ice sublimating and the C02 water falling and staying in a fish tank. 🤷♀️
@John Smith that response is totally incoherent. Also i am not your mate. I suspect you don't have any mates.
@Marilyn Newman There are loads of arrogant shitheaded anticommunist conservatives, but I don't think Captain Nyet is one of them. I got the feeling from his humorous remark was that he was parodying what a rightwing conservative anti-liberal flat-earther would say.
I love the concept behind the idea of just:
You made a demonstration that was INTENTIONALLY simple so that a simple mind could understand it - Then they make fun of your demonstration for being too simple.
But they can't understand your complex and accurate demonstrations, because they're just not smart enough.
Too arrogant to learn from others, too stupid to learn on their own.
The fun part is, they didn't understand the simple demonstration either.
@@IlBiggo Exactly, it was all about energy and escape velocity.
They watched at the demonstrations out of their own perspectives of how the world looks like,
and they find their own reason for why the demonstration works the way it does.
When they believe planes are help up with invisible ropes, they will find something to hang them on,
and no demonstration can change that.
It gets better, Nathan has just released another video that he claims debunks this demonstration!
Flat-Earther doesn't understand the concept of an analogy... imagine my shock
Must have been like their IQ: close to 0...
I don't understand. Why would I imagine you being shocked? What did you do, in this hypothetical scenario, that would have shocked you? Did you touch a bare, live wire? Did you stand next to a lightning pole during a thunderstorm? Or were you merely turning a doorknob after walking on shag carpeting in nothing but wool socks? How far do I go in imagining this scenario? And what the hell is an analogy?
What is this? A center for ants!
@@pickleshanks Oh, come on now, be nice! Surely you can spend a few seconds to picture him licking a 9v battery. What would Jesus do?
@@bensons999 - He'd be shocked.
I've gotten in to "discussions" with flat earthers and "young earth creationists" before. They're always super hostile, calling people names and such. There's a lot of insecurity there. I think perhaps deep down many of them know they're wrong but they think they're in too far to turn back now without losing face.
Yes. That person on the flerf “debunk” vid is one of the most unpleasant people I’ve ever come across on YT. And my god he has some stiff competition.
Thank goodness for people like thunder foot who obviously wasn’t awarded a phd in physics - he clearly just made it all up 😂
For CGI, the sun seems to emit a lot of radiation.
Yeah, it's almost like the backlight is fusion powered.
Don't be silly, it's a hologram.
Its all the 5g Nasa uses to broadcast the projection.
Can you turn the GPU down like 1% please? It's fucking hot over here
Mmmm yes. I do like me some CGI cancer.
"... or, he's a liar and and a fraud like all the people he debunks."
Accidental admission of guilt, there?
Nice little Freudian slip
thinking the same myself.
@Jeremvy .V if the earth isn't round prove it
It is circular logic.....just like the earth
Yes... Was wondering if anyone else picked up on that, what a buffoon.
If gravity is a religion then i can ignore it and fly. Cool!!
Well, learning to fly is easy anyway, you just throw yourself as hard as you can at the ground and miss. Et voila, you fly. If you do manage to hit the ground, though, you might get bruised a bit, so make sure you miss it.
@@Schnittertm1 I was going to say it worked for Arthur Dent 👍
"Gravity is just a habit...": ruclips.net/video/LWGJA9i18Co/видео.html
You just have to *f r e e y o u r m i n d*
Yes, but only if you have a firmly held belief
Came for a a few laughs at some flat-earthers, got a lesson in thermodynamics and molecular/atomic particles instead. Well done. You ripped his arguments apart at the molecular level- metaphorically, and VERY literally.
Its the opposite of me. Im here to learn so if I would have to deal with these idiots in the future I would not how to rebuke them.
Flat earthers are great people. They gladly provide you with a frame of reference for you to know you're still far from insanity.
To me they're the frame of reference I use to know that even if I fail really really hard I can still have food on my table.
@ Just looked up that study to find out you´re lying, which is not exactly nice to see especially under a busted-style video. Btw for those interested that study has ~65% Christian, ~9% Non-Christian and ~26% non-religous, while not stating how many this survey asked just stating that their organization surveys more than 35,000 americans (october 2019). Important to note is that, like in most modern nations, the amount of religious people is declining rapidly every year while the nonreligious add up. Furthermore there are a lot of types of religion/christianity, a majority nowadays say they are christian but barely follow the religions conduct. Screaming against obvious evidence while making a crazy counter-claim, like flat-earthers, is completely different from someone who just believes in god. I´m an atheist but saying that we could detect god if he existed sounds really naive, or for a more scientific example, since it is more likely for us to be in a simulation, if we are in a simulation made by a single creator which is a living being but the simulation was designed as such to leave the simulated clueless about their artificial nature, christians might be right on point and we may never be able to disprove that.
Not only am I for freedom of religion but also I think it is borderline disgusting and rather insane to put the people shown in the video here in the same basket as the average christian.
@Zachary McClung Yes but of course PARTS of the nation having a worse quota does not speak for the whole nation. If you say 90% of americans that would imply 90% everywhere. Im sure certain bible belt nations have vastly higher ratios of religious zeal than others. Of course ideally religion would be completely seperate from all governance, and shit like mutilating babies would just be illegal everywhere.... sadly there is alot of cultists around :(
@Zachary McClung I get where you are coming from and that this seems very close to home for you, but seriously you have better things to do than judge people "blind" after reading a single comment of theirs, sorry not sorry that´s pretty pathetic. Also I only advocated for letting them believe in their god without mocking them, everything you wrote after that was an uncalled for tangent. I never went against science or advocated for religious teachings which have out-lived their usefulness. Also "god" is not a theory since it has no evidence and i don´t think the idea itself only has gotten us war etc. it´s like science which indeed has brought us all of what we have today but also has called a lot of strive since it´s nature is to increase possibility and power. Seems to me like you are projecting a lot, anyways, I´m not for useless practices like "brutalize the penis" either and any thinking christian should be smart enough to see the nonsense in that, just like any honest person says that it´s the same as with islamic religions. Also I did not look up texas textbooks but i´m from a non-english speaking country and we have our fair share of falsities in school books too.
I´m sorry that you seemingly had really bad experiences with local christianity, I had my fair share too as a born christian went atheist, but acting like these extremists are the majority of average christians worldwide is disingenuous and not helpful to anyone, if on purpose or not.
I´m not denying that there are extremists groups for pretty much anything anywhere if you look for them, that it just how it is and most probably will be for some time.
So I actually really do hope you care, since stubborn ignorance will get us nowhere, funny how you act out what you say you´re against.
Science without epistemology becomes i.e. flat-earth.
If one is not open and honest they might become what they despise before they know it.
Gotta get in before it's taken down
I thought the same thing. It will be gone in an hour.
Is censorship really getting that bad?
@@onepman No, people are exaggerating due to the video debunking Nino Vitale being taken down twice, but that was due to their *insane* AI review for COVID (I think they turned the sensitivity slider all the way up), and Google's hatred for Thunderf00t, but flat earth videos have been fine, there's not a direct public health threat with that sort of misinformation (it's basically a gateway conspiracy, not harmful itself, but it does lead to more conspiratorial thinking, antivax, and such) , so they get to stay up, but some channels have been taken down. There are loads of flat earth debunking channels and they're fine, so I highly doubt youtube will touch this video, considering they didn't touch the last one.
RUclips seems satisfied with just putting the "more info" context under any flat earth video.
Down load it for safe keeping
@@ryanlahart534 apparently it will be a bit longer
I’m not saying I hate Nathan Oakley, but I would unplug his life support to charge my phone.
I'd unplug his life support simply to save electricity.
As would most people that have seen him.
@@Firedrake1313 Amen!
@@Firedrake1313 I'd unplug him to save the oxygen he has been wasting.
Because you hate the truth
Nathan Oakley's existance proves a new theory, that of regressive evolution of humankind
Not new. Unfortunately.
Yeah, Thunderf00t, you're gonna need to admit that you were wrong in expecting that flat earthers might understand the fish tank demonstration.
If there is no lid the fish fly away from the top !
the flat earther is much like the religious person, too invested in what they believe to consider that they're wrong about what they believe. They have to be or the identity they've formed around either flat earth or religion, shatters and they just can't handle it. In short, don't form your identity around beliefs...
@@AwoudeX They are religious people. The only reason they need to believe the world is flat is because of their holy books. Then they try to come up with half baked ideas to "prove" it. Any time they actually go out in to the field to do a test, they prove themselves wrong, over and over. Lasers over large distances, "why is it higher than it should be". 20,000 dollar gyroscope, "why is it showing 15 degree rotation"? Every single time they prove themselves wrong, over and over, and just refuse to admit it. "Because muh holy boooook!"
@@qualthias8927 "Thanks Bob!"
Right: at first he thought they were faking. Then he's baffled by how they argue for hours rather than looking up, because his own knowledge of other astronomical objects and logic reasoning is so compelling.
He needs to understand the specific cognitive deficiencies of these people, including lack of understanding scale, inability to do simple math, and often being able to imagine things from a different point of view (even to the point of not understanding that shadows go the other way when you turn the camera around, because the left-right of the frame overrules the ideas of that simply being a view of a larger space).
An analogy or demonstration like this will probably contain several distracting triggers for them.
They *do not* act like intelligent, educated people. They don't even act like normal people who live in a world too complex for them to understand.
You can laugh at them and point out how they are wrong, but we all know that anyway. In order to really address *them*, you need some understanding of their psychopathology.
This is Nathan Oakley. He does this intentionally to get the engagement required to sell his t-shirts and make some side money. The best course of action is to completely ignore him. Do not go on his channel and comment or leave a thumbs down (that will actually HELP his channel), let him fade away.
Morgan Goossen : yes, but it does not matter. Negative comments and dislikes all count towards his RUclips engagement numbers, which is exactly what he wants to happen. It helps grow his channel.
@Morgan Goossen doesnt matter, he knows its not flat. Hes only doing this for the money
@@pattonpending7390 But he's done this for 4 years and still can't have more than 200 viewers on his live.
"Gravity is religion"..LMAO
All religions are gravity as you don't float around whilst praying.
Flerfism is a religion.
.Flat Earthers are nearly always fundie xtians. They also believe in a 6,000 year old Earth, deny evolution etc. etc.
I’m a 10th grader and I somewhat study about physics,specifically things like aerodynamics but even I can easily explain/price together how a goddamn helium balloon floats.
Im no scientist, but if Earth's air was held in by a lid and gravity was false wouldnt air pressure be the same at all altitudes?
Yes, yes it would.
we would also be able to jump to touch this fake lid as well. since they dont believe in gravity.
@@InVaZiOnAzN No, you would need a balloon. They also believe that the atmosphere is pushing you down. No idea how that is supposed to work. They like to reference Achimedes law yet... it's that very law that explains that's not how it works...
Wrong, witchcraft stops oxygen from rising to the mountains
Yes. They also think the sun is about 3000 miles up inside the dome. But the Karman line (an abitrary point where space begins because the air is too thin) is only about 50-60 miles up depending on who you ask. You'll never get a flat earther to discuss pressure gradients (or anything regarding flat earth, they will only attack the globe).
Back when you made "Why do people laugh at creationists?" videos I laughed, because we were watching people desperately struggling to prove right, concepts they were indoctrinated into as kids.
These new "Why do people laugh at flat earthers?" videos hurt because these people came to believe this stuff as actual adults. This is fundamental proof of just how stupid people are capable of being.
That being said, I'm not saying stop. These people do need to be called out and proven wrong, we can't let these ideas spread.
or breed.
It's also very likely they will start believing other, possibly harmful ideas too
@David Parry I think you may have a point there.
@David Parry One day, when all of us are long dead, we will have our democratic technocracy.
Till' then we'll have to pray to Darwin and hope for the best.
@David Parry Could you imagine someone like Kim Jong Un not believing in gravity or some other crazy idea, leading to an entire country being like these guys but without anyone able to speak against it and thus received laws banning teaching/using gravity?
Like, democracy has its problems but I'd take that over one person or small group of people being able to make decisions to ruin people's lives with no recourse.
In the immortal words of Professor Dave:
Vacuums. Don't. Suck.
Professor Daves take down was epic
Nathan("Stop Riley, That's perfect globe proof") Oakley.
@@atb8660 agreed
No body said vacuums suck. Your strawman argument sucks. In the case of gas particles in a vacuum read below:
"Entropy. ... When a gas expands into a vacuum, its entropy increases because the increased volume allows for greater atomic or molecular disorder. The greater the number of atoms or molecules in the gas, the greater the disorder.Apr 27, 2019"

LibreTexts › chem
18.3: Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics - Chemistry LibreTexts
Not against GRAVITY they don't.
Hey Thunderf00t, I just wanna say thank you. Thank you for making the world less stupid :)
When he says “solid objects are not the same as a gas” I hear “What is this? A center for ants? How are we going to teach children here when they can’t even fit inside”. “Uh Derek this is just a small model” “I don’t want to hear your excuses. We’re going to need a building at least 3 times this size”.
Plus they're ignoring the whole fact that solid objects are made from the same stuff that (at the right conditions) can just as easily be a liquid or a gas. But yeah :D
is it strange that having never seen Zoolander that I recognize this reference?
We must build the School for Flatturd Nathans Who Don't Know How to Do Science, Reading, or Math Too Well.
@@KinksKomments I am in the same boat
@@xmasinpacific LOL
Long-suffering Thunderfoot, I truly, truly admire your patience to explain these things. People as obtuse as those flat-earthers really cause my blood pressure to rise.
The irony of flat earthers calling Thunderf00t a religious zelot is just too much.
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Did no one notice how one of the guys in the call calling Thunderf00t stupid has his profile picture as Commander Shepard from Mass Effect? You know, that game where you fly around the galaxy, land on spherical planets and some of the games in the trilogy even have you shoot probes at the planet with you aiming them by rotating said sphere around.
This is just extra irony.
ScarletFlames1 lol, he must really enjoy speed running Noveria and Feros
@@12LoLproductions Or he never got the good endings because he denies planets being spheres so only shot them at the face they showed without rotating.
ScarletFlames1 he just closes his eyes on the galaxy map
There is an easy way to disprove this 'the atmosphere needs a lid as gas pressure differentials will seek equilibrium hypothesis'.
1. go up a mountain with your preferred beverage that comes in a plastic bottle;
2. drink the beverage;
3. put the lid back on without squashing the bottle so that you have an air-tight bottle of mountain air;
4. go down the mountain;
5. watch the increased atmospheric pressure crush the bottle;
6. recognise that the crushing of the bottle means that the atmospheric pressure below is greater than that above;
7. reflect on whether or not you had to pass through a lid on the way down.
As this experiment can be tested with mountains of different height, and for those truly dedicated hot air balloons, helicopters, etc it can readily be proven that the pressure drops as altitude increases, and that there are no lids at any altitude. This will also disprove the idea of the flat earther that the atmosphere has a consistent pressure which then drops to zero when you hit space.
jeesus, this flat earth dude is so insuffarably annoying!
Nathan Oakley is one of the few flerfs who manages to be more punchable than Nathan Thompson. His "Sideshow Bob" Quantum Eraser could be another one.
Jeebus, glad I’m not the only one who thinks so. His yammering is insufferably irritating.
Easily one of the most obnoxious assholes I've ever heard.
he also has a recording of him slapping his toddler, then saying it wasn't him. the guy should be arrested for child abuse
Truly horrific. Awful.
Remember those kids at school who just didn't understand and slowed down learning for everyone else? That's how I feel flat earth is to society. Great video, it will be interesting to see how their brains will manipulate this.
Oh boy! Nathan Oakley really is a prime example of "the empty barrel sounding the loudest" or as Shakespeare put it in Henry V "I never heard so loud a voice issue from such an empty heart. It's true what they say, the empty vessel makes the greatest sound."
His mind clamps on to a missunderstood fact or phrase and just runs with it.
Nathan("Stop Riley, That's perfect globe proof") Oakley.
If he needs a demonstration of how gas doesn't need a lid on it to stop it floating away, I suggest he fill his house with Carbon Monoxide and then go downstairs to his basement and just chillax.
They don't seem to understand that gases were *literally* bouncy balls
Naah its just flat earther logic, if an explanation is too complicated, its must be a lie, distraction, whatever. Then if you try explain things that can be understood even by an 5 year old kid, then you are a clown.
They understand it fine. It's just a convenient way of pretending to misunderstand. I reckon these "Flat Earthers" are all trolls, and Thunderf00t is feeding them.
@@probro9898 Nathan Oakley is sure a troll XD sadly there some others are not really and literally belive this BS.
Scientist: "Gravity is not a force."
Stupid person: "Aha, this scientists said that gravity does not exist!"
and they do it with the typo
Gravy is not a sause!
You could argue gravity isn't a force as much as centrifugal force, they aren't forces they're accelerations imparted on a mass, and Newton said it best, Force = mass * acceleration
We can measure gravity, we can detect it, we know in principle what causes gravity (mass) but they say we cannot scientifically prove it?
quote mining is an age old tactic
"Never have a battle of wits with an unarmed man..."
Thunderfoot does a great job of not letting them drag him down to their level though
Where did you find this statement it's fantastic?
Want to put a note down for who wrote this
@@FlashDAH Mark Twain (although he was more PC and said "unarmed person" apparently)
@@ajb667 Mark Twain had a battle of the shits after being pranked Tesla😅
I always heard it as...
"Never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent"
19:46, Nathan seems quite happy to announce that Thunderfoot is a "liar and a fraud LIKE ALL THE PEOPLE HE DEBUNKS"... How wonderful that Nathan admits he's a liar and a fraud, too bad he can't prove Thunderoot is one but at least he admits his own agenda...
My classmate is a flat-earther.
I asked him, “If Earth’s gravity isn’t keeping us on the ground, then what is?”
He responded with, “The Earth’s upward motion.”
I said, “That’s not how inertia works...”
His response?
“Inertia is fake.”
X is fake is the standard answer of flat earthers to any concept or observation that contradicts their belief. Just like the creationists deny evolution flat earthers deny pretty much all established rules of physics because it fundamentally disproves their beliefs.
@@KT-pv3kl I think these guys at heart are Aristotelian, in that they are always on about unbreakable "natural law" and how they prefer to believe that this natural law can be intuited by their impoverished 3-d challenged imagination, as if they have deduced the flatness of the world from thinking real hard about bodies of water and tracts of land they can see with their own eyes. Their complete inability to actually perform and correctly learn from any form of relevant experimentation stems, I believe, from them not really understanding what experiments are actually for. They think its all about "proof", like Science is some sort of big logical puzzle. Just ask one sometime what the term "experimental error" could possibly mean. Then listen to the word salad pour forth. Experiments TEST hypotheses, not PROVE them (except for the almost archaic usage of the word "proof" to mean "test" as in "the exception proves the rule", and where the measure of alcohol concentration is named "proof" as in 50 proof whiskey, related to: "high-test" [proof] alcohol). They can't acknowledge this.
The ground is fake
If inertia is fake then seat belts are useless and we shouldn't be wearing them lol
@@someolddude3858 Too bad for them a lot of fields of astronomy and astrophysics require you to suspend your intuition since there's so much intuition defying stuff out there. As Sigma from Overwatch says, "the universe has no obligation to make sense to you."
scientists: we can predict exactly where all planets and stars will be 5 years from now using heliocentric model
flat earthers: we cant predict anything
Space man bad...
this is just stupid. and wrong for one. start playin with time and date for your moonrise and angle and then start checkin outside your house. watch for awhile. most of the time it will be dead on. then it will be HOURS off. angle/direction too. then it will be as predicted continuing a gradual precession. then again later hours off.
but dude...fkn ptolemy? did we never predict seasons before coepernicus? you dont think he INVENTED predicting seasons do you? "ok guys...wait for it....wait for it...." you dont think he was the first one to predict eclipses do you? like ffs with some of these debunkers who type without taking 2 fkn seconds to think about it. its not your fault, i know youve heard that somewhere, that fe cant predict and its like bruh....wtf did you think we did before heliocentrism? the egyptians fkn knew the cycles...everybody did back then.
but for real. its a transformative experience watching the moon. its only a gradual precession on paper. its absolutely crazy in real life. and like i said, most of the time its dead on. then...it'll be off by sooooo much, and then the next night, back where it should be and even where it "would" be if the previous night had been a normal one.
@@scienceworksinmysteriouswa9463 Stop taking drugs and the moon will stay in its path...
@@matejbrada5211 pls fact-check me. use time-and-date. watch for awhile. get your family. then get back when you see it happen right in front of you
@@matejbrada5211 stelariums off sometimes too isnt it?
"Thunderfoot clown!" _-Nathan "Dancing Monkey" Oakley, repeated ad nauseum in a clownish performance for his flat earth cult comrades_
Pardon the long caption but I think it's all quite pertinent.
The more he says it, the more true it becomes. Right? That's how evidence works, right?
Nathan("Stop Riley, That's perfect globe proof") Oakley knows the earth isn't flat.
been a fan since 2009. so glad you've continued to do this for us. consistently the best science education on youtube. i have my own kids now, and show my teenager your videos, and share with my friends all the time.
"Either Thunderfoot is dumber than a 7 year old"
Actually, even when I was 7 I knew gasses were made out of solid molecules in a vacuum, because that's how my schoolbook pictured it. Were all of these people homeschooled or something?
Its called too dumb to understand stuff but there own stuff they make up...
No, but they reject it because they can't understand it. Also Nathan is a conman trying to make money by pushing the flat-earth narrative forward.
I feel like there was at least one Magic School Bus episode about molecules and how they're solid objects.
I am actually curious how do these people understand gases when they talk so confidently about it. It feels like they take pressure as some basic fundamental entity that has some properties that are listed in textbooks they were taught in elementary school. But they are absolutely missing the thing that various gases phenomena like pressure are statistically emergent notions. They ridicule the idea gases are like bouncy balls even though this model can explain almost every gas behavior. They are aware that gases flow from higher to lower pressure, but they don't know why - and in their morbid incuriosity they won't ever learn why.
you can learn more than in school while homeschooling though, if you have the right things
The only thing you have to ask when flat earthers ask why the atmosphere doesn't escape into the vaccum of space is "why does the water in lakes not shoot up into the sky if the pressure of the air is so much less?"
@@Grauenwolf philosophically it could be argued that any word is just a human construct:-D
@ Don't bring philosophy into this, it'll only confuse the poor things.
well, that would be a weak question, because water technically escapes into atmosphere, that one is drying.
but i doubt that flat earthers would know or understand that some energized molecules of gases actually escape into the space too.
They think it is because of buoyancy.. Same way the helium-balloon shoot up. In flat earth "theory" everything find their "natural" order based on buoyancy, relative density etc. So because water don't float on top of gas, it's just supposed to be under! (They don't understand that buoyancy is an effect of gravity they think it's some natural god power arranging things in their natural order..)
I understand your question is different but thats still how they would explain it. They wouldn't understand your argument..
Indeed, if the pressure at 10 metres down is twice that at the surface, why won't a 10 metre open ended pipe pushed down into the water, have water spurting out of the top.
“This wasn’t dreamed up last Thursday”
Oh god don’t mention last thursdayism, flat earthers are gullible enough to believe that one too.
I recently had the pleasure of watching the look on someone's face while explaining last thursdayism to someone who never heard of it before.
Disprove last thursdayism then! Good luck!
@@heatshield Please explain, I've never heard of it.
Cee! Gee! Eye!
@@silentwitness7132 I had the same question. Seems to be a response to intelligent design. Google + clicking the first wiki link = "God made the world last Thursday and everything before that are just planted memories. Prove me wrong."
I love how they quote scientist saying "gravity isn't a force". Dude listen. If you can't understand gravity in newtonian physics DON'T even try to get into Relativity's "gravity" and inertial frame of reference and straight lines through curved spacetime. Forget it, it's not for you.
I have read all of Dr. Cox's books and I can say with complete confidence that this numbskull completely ignored the context in which he stated that 'gravity isn't a force'. Surely, he just saw the clipped quote and ran with it. These flat-earthers are just ridiculous.
There's also the deadpan irony of them quoting scientists who would certainly call them fucking idiots.
I love how these guys think science is done by quoting people.
Just like religious people who quote their scripture.
All 3 comments are hilarious hahaha
Science is using the scientific method to validate an explanation for a phenomenon. Heliocentrism is a religion and not science.
@@Thesrin Can you read?
@@Thesrin So then ask a question about what I said but don't just say "w0t"? Makes you look illiterate. Lol.
So what, they argue that gases aren't representable by bouncy balls, that they don't follow the laws of thermodynamics because they 'don't have a lid'? You should do that demonstration with sulfur hexafluoride and a little aluminum boat that floats on top and ask why doesn't all the gas leave the container if there isn't a lid? XD
mostly to demonstrate that gases do in fact obey the laws of gravity
Yeah but they'll use ye olde "thy densest object shalt fall towards the bottom o'the container bi cause the law o' relative denseness". Or some shit.
@@y0uCantHandle These flat-heads are not interested in finding truth, they only want to convert others to their cult to bolster their ranks in an effort to gain and/or seize power.
or as I like to joke a boat made out of their tin-foil hat :)
The argument is gas pressure requires a container. Putting a denser gas that expands slower and at a different temperature than most gases in a container is not evidence of gas pressure without a container. Your Heliocentrism religion has our air already in a vacuum not expanding.
As an experiment, Pour dry sand into a mould. You'll see that - despite being solid rock - it flows like a liquid. And that's how solids act like fluids.
Now. Belly flop into a pool. And that's how a fluid can act like a solid. Ouch.
I love those early flash physics which overloaded and crashed my 2002 computer when i threw in like 10'000 particles.
I've seen the 'screaming no!' meme so many times and it's still hysterical
I like how they both have similar voices so its just like someone calmly explaining something, and then all of a sudden they start ranting at the top of their lungs
🧢
At a lower sound quality of course
Who are you on about? If you mean the flat earth guy and thunder foot. They don't sound remotely similar 🤔.
Nathan is Thunderf00t confirmed!!!
So... Okay, easy way to debunk this guy's 'Against Natural Law' schtick he's got going.
Flat Earther, "Show me the lidless container?"
Me, "Um do you believe air pressure at sea level is the same as on Mount Everest."
Flat Earther, "No, why?"
Me, cups hands and says, "This 'gas' isn't rushing to the top of Everest to equalize pressure, soooooo lidless container."
Will this prove anything to a flat Earther? Probably not. I honestly think you could literally launch some of these people into space and they'd continue to spout, "Lies and special effects."
Thunderf00t. Much respect even if I don't always agree. Still, these people are going to shout hostile nonsense at the top of their lungs, insult you when they fail to grasp the obvious, and then all pat each other on the back and say how they taught another 'globetard' a lesson. That's all they ever do.
It would honestly be more interesting if you calmly show the beauty of Saturn through your telescope and talk about your father and the joy you get from astronomy.
Be safe and well sir.
I agree, the whole flat earth thing is all a bit of a yawn at this point.
Oh I dunno, a scientific, accurate demonstration and argument as to why someone is absolutely incorrect is always entertaining to me. And that has value to me.
Blue Claws yeah, I agree, it _is_ entertaining ... but I dunno, I used to find all this flat earth stuff engaging but it’s been a few years now and none of them are saying anything new (not that they ever did). There comes a point where you realise the only reason they’re still waffling on with their nonsense is because people keep giving them attention!
The trouble is, they'll just say that everything is held to the flat earth by the 'upward' motion of the flying disc they think we live on, and that it's that 'upward' motion that pushes the air towards the ground thus making it denser at ground level than at mountain tops.
@@JeffJefferyUK Okay then... then you first exceed light speed in a few days under a year... and I've been alive for more than 40 years... all this speed is exponential...
For a flat motionless plane, we're kind of booking it aren't we?
"Any scientific evidence of gravity?"
"No"
Me "drops phone on my face" crazy how it does that I thought since there's no gravity it just hover there
XD
FLERFs think buoyancy is a "fundamental force". Of course the phone does not float in air, it is heavier than the air so it will sink like a pebble sinks in water. They don't even attempt an answer for why buoyancy occurs or what force causes it. It's just "nobody knows, it's magic!".
Notice the pause before she says “no”. She is just saying what he wants to hear. She probably doesn’t want to get into a discussion about it and be aggressively ridiculed which seems to be his default approach to argumentation. Seems to me she knows better, but chooses dishonesty as the easy way out.
soylentgreenb it’s relative density that the flunts claim as why things fall as they are more dense than the medium surrounding them.
When asked why density stacks things top to bottom instead of side by side they simply repeat denser objects fall down and less dense rises up without actually answering the question
@@daveofbillog They can't explain why I can rest a steel ball on top of an inverted styrofoam cup, by their logic the cup should rise up and the ball roll down the cup, the cup should then hover so that it's entirely above the ball bearing.
CambridgeMart in short, they can be grouped in to 2 sections. Poes like Oakley, Thompson, Riley and the top etchelons who make money from patreon, merchandise, ad revenue and other donation platforms and the gullible, desperate, idiotic victims who fall for their shit and fund their lifestyles.
Watching them try and beat science with a dictionary of fascinating to watch
'in violation of natural law' appears to be his shorthand for 'via mechanisms or due to causes i do not comprehend'.
Your just going to give yourself an aneurism talking to these a-holes, especially Oakley. I’d leave it alone.
Barry Allard ... with Oakley, he’s just plain full of himself. There’s audio clips of him scheming w/ his cronies on strategies and how not to get roped into a corner in arguments because he totally knows the Earth ain’t flat.
*you're
I agree with you but on the other hand we got very interesting video from thunderfoot. It is always nice to refresh some basic concepts from physics and to know something new.
His strategy is to get prominent channels to talk about him, thereby driving viewers to his channel (even if only to laugh) and generating advertising revenue. That money is what it is all about.
The sun is not made out of GAS. It's obviously made out of FIRE.
Disclaimer: Please don't punch me! I'm just kidding. xD
It's actually mostly plasma. There is no known gas in our understanding of the universe that could keep its electrons under that much heat and magnetic force. Fire is also a form of plasma.
Ahhh, yes, the Quintessential Question. Is it an Ether-or situation?
how is gas burn for so long
btw if the sun was actually burning fuel as a chemical reaction (and not nuclear) it would only last thousands of years.
@@ccricers Well, it wouldn't last at all. There's no oxygen there.
This flat earther has one defense for everything... everything... "This clown thinks that solids behave like gas! A 7-year-old would be smarter than this!"
That's the kind of speech dishonest people use. No facts at all, no arguments at all, just plain throw-down _ad hominem_ .
They don't have a reason to explain Coriolis Effect that is easily observable in weather and with experiments.
That sounds like Kent Hovind's even a 4 year old knows what a "kind" is.
How to debunk Kent Hovind's "kind" in ten seconds: Show a five year old kid a gorilla, chimpanzee, human and a banana, then ask which three belongs to the same "kind" :P
I tooted a while ago and the gas emerged a solid
I have been accused of "gravity is the thing you say when you don't know what you're talking about."
Flat earther: "Is there any physical evidence of gravity?"
Me: "Yes, It's at the bottom of this sheer drop. Just make your way down there to get it"
Flat earther: "Are you insane? I might fall and get hurt!"
Me: "Exactly!"
You idiot. Flat or not, earth still have gravity.
You just made Flat earth = gravity.
Illiteracy problem
@@thilakk7686 Who are you calling an idiot? At no point do I support a flat earth position, and you do realise that most flat earthers don't believe that gravity exists, My comment simply makes fun of that aspect.
@@Blackmark7410 Flat earthers believe that the "disk" is accellerated upward. The funny thing is that they als believe that the curverture of the earth (a person can look about 11 km until the horizon) also exists, but it is just way too suddle to ever form a ball...
Yet if the disk isn't 100% flat and it would be excellerated upwards we would all be pushed to the edge of the disk.
They just don't think things through.
OR
And that's the most likely thing, they just troll the science community. For the lullz! I would totally do it!
@@TremereTT Since the "disk" has been accelerating upward for at least the last 6000 or so years since God created it (might as well make it a conservative estimate) by now, if you are a Newton worshipping flat earther, by now it must be traveling at least 9.8 m/s/s * 6000 years * 365.2422 days/years * 24 hrs/day * 60 minutes / hr * 60 s/minutes = 1,855,547,253,504 m/s which is quite faster than light. Any star in the southern sky will have red-shifted to invisibility, in fact you wouldn't see your hand in front of your face since the light from your hand can't catch up with your eyes. And if you aren't a young-earth creationist flerfer, it's even worse, if the earth is older. If you do believe in Special Relativity and you are a flerfer that thinks the Earth is accelerating upwards for thousands or millions of years at 1 gee with no optical consequences to the observation of stellar spectra, you are equally stupid. In addition to the extreme relativistic shortening or "squeezing" of the view of the surrounding Universe to a body traveling at such a high and always increasing velocity. And finally, nothing just "accelerates" by itself. Acceleration is the response to the application of a force. So, what do they say provides the unending upward force to continually accelerate the Earth for thousands or millions of years? The flerf are quite obviously playing word games with concepts whose definitions they don't even understand. You just can't toss the word "acceleration" around in a Scientific context and ignore that it is meaningless if there is nothing forcing the acceleration.
@@someolddude3858 That's why I'm pretty sure, the flat earthers just troll us. They just want to see rational easy to trigger people getting emotional.
I always enjoy the cognitive knots they have to tie themselves up in when they say gravity isn't real.
"Okay, what do you propose instead?"
"Easy, the disc is accelerating at 9.81m/s^2"
"But at that rate, the Earth would reach light speed within a year"
"Doesn't matter, when you get close to the speed of light, time slows down. Meaning you can continue to accelerate forever without reaching the speed of light"
"Hold on, relativistic time dilation? You realise the theory of relativity *also* forms the basis of our current understanding of gravity, right? You can't pick bits of a theory to fit your idea and discard the rest"
*fingers in ears* "CHECK OUT THIS IDIOT, BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY TOLD YOU IN SCHOOL, EH?"
Isn’t that the flat earther who beat his kid live on stream?
Yeah found an audio version of it, sounds like a baby, he streams and he says he has to get it away from playing with his touchpad, then you hear a little ruffle, a clear slap and a kid/baby crying. Fraak me I thought I disliked that guy 1 min ago. Expletives this guy.
Oh shit, you’re right.
Not sure but there is another flatard named Nathan that got busted for bothering kids on a school playground. He's just as stupid. And so cringe worthy!
@@AGenericFool Yo, can I get a link?
I'm sad this ignoramus was able to procreate. Imagine when the poor kid gets to high school and everyone learns who their father is. They may LITERALLY want to kill themselves.
That footage of the moon landing gave me chills. Those guys are absolute heroes!
Agreed, the idea that men would strap themselves to a missile and fire themselves at the moon is awesome. Everytime I see an image of 'Apollo 11' I remember watching the most inspiring event of my life.
If you’re up to a challenge. ruclips.net/video/EIyjH2v4vmA/видео.html
“Genesis 1:6 is valid, the Earth is obviously a sphere. BUT, the Firmament is very REAL.”
Prove me wrong, I dare you :-)
"Any scientific evidence of gravity?"
Drops Mic...
So what you are saying is.... no?
@@CognizantPsyche So what I am jokingly saying is that flat earthers always debunk themselves eventually, how do you perform a mic drop without gravity?
But of course that goes straight over the head of a flat earther. Because they don't believe in gravity 😂
ISWYDT
@@bdf2718 To be fair, I don't bring the entertainment, flat tards do.
So what evidence is there in actuality?
I love this astronaut guy. He just took a quarter million mile ride to the moon. He got out, walked around, did the Galileo feather/ball experiment on the Moon, and his reaction:
4:24 "How 'bout that!"
Legendary. Guys like these astronauts had balls of steel. Not to mention the scientists and engineers on the ground.
Thanks for making such a great video highlighting some of the extreme feats of mankind. Science and math can do amazing things for us.
14:00 Wow... Nathan Oakley never ceases to amaze me. Just when I think i have heard him say the most incorrect thing possible, he disproves me.
“Demonstratably”
Within 10 seconds the guy proves himself to be not worth listening to.
If only Nathans audience were smart enough to pick up on it aswell. Unfortunately some children never grow up and so when they find an flaundering idiot that talks like a rejected teletubby, their childlike brains can't pull away. Lol
Come on, don't be mean. He's just using linguistic strategery, is all.
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Yep. My thoughts exactly.
rewatching this for fun, I am really astonished about the "no gas pressure without a container" argument. Have these guys climb just a few hundred meters up a hill, and measure the notably lower air pressure there. And then explain where the lid is between the top of that hill and the valley that raises the air pressure down there...
"Gravity is not a force", yeah, but it's the curvature of spacetime, which makes all objects embedded into this curved spacetime behave as if a force was working on them.
Which includes, of course, gas molecules near the bottom of a planet's gravity well. Well said.
Their problem is that we don't understand the mechanism through which gravity functions, like how light has photons. Even with that argument we still knew light was a thing and understood how it works well before we discovered the photon. There may be gaps in our understanding of science, but it still has measurable consequences that are easily testable. They think gravity is merely buoyancy vs density, when it's a concept that requires a downward force to function.
@@mt-mg7tt One of the more subtle points of Einstein's relativity is that you can actually treat it as a force, if you are willing to use an accelerated reference frame, but the math will have to include special corrective terms and thusly every time you switch to another non-inertial frame. If you use an inertial frame, all these corrective terms drop out, and the beautiful and universally applicable laws shine forth. Just like the fictitious "centrifugal force" in Newtonian physics that appears in your description if you use the "wrong" reference frame when slinging a stone around your head. The object acted upon, the stone, from its point of view feels no such centrifugal force, it feels a force directed toward your hand, and the string pulls it out of it's preferred inertial straight path. The "centrifugal force" you feel is just the stone's inertial resistance to you pulling it away (accelerating it) from its desired straight path. There is noting wrong with treating it as a real force, if you make the correct adjustments for which frame you are using for a reference, but the math is more universally simple and less error prone if you stick to inertial frames.
For a really deep dive, this is related to the apparent coincidence in Newton's schema that the "inertial mass" and the "gravitational mass" were always equal (up to a scaling constant due solely to the choice of fundamental units involved). Newtonian-style "gravity is a force" can't explain this coincidence, but GR was designed to make this equivalence a natural result. This stuff is really fascinating and tricky. Exercise for the student: show that these concepts (strong and weak equivalence principle) are related to the above discussion.
@@DeathBYDesign666 Not having a mechanism to explain the action at a distance required by his theory of gravity was something that actually bothered Newton quite a bit. You could say that, just like Einstein, he did not want to be stuck with "spooky action at a distance." For Newton, Gravity somehow acted across the emptiness of Space, and he was unhappy he couldn't reduce it to a local phenomenon. Einstein's geometric version of Gravity avoids this flaw, since the Earth does not get actively pulled into its orbit around the Sun, it is simply following the local shape of the spacetime it is passing through, a shape that was curved long ago by the Sun's growing mass as each bit of the early solar nebula that eventually condensed into the Sun came together and added to the overall curvature surrounding the nascent, forming Sun. Buoyed by this successful vindication that action at a distance could be purged from classical physics, Einstein insisted that Quantum mechanic's seeming requirement of such spookiness signaled that it, too, was not correctly formulated or was missing some vital ingredient. The rest of this story is history, and is actually still playing out. Modern Quantum Field Theory purges action at a distance to such an extent that, in it, what appears to be the empty void of space is actually filled at every point with a Quantum field, wherein a never-ending froth of virtual particles continually boil, awaiting a chance to be promoted into non-virtual existence, as it were. Forces like electromagnetism are mediated by the exchange of these "virtual" particles (virtual photons, for example, for the electromagnetic force) which interact locally with the real charges involved in the interaction. In fact, String Theory could be considered an attempt to go even further and produce all this as geometric behavior, quite an Einsteinian concept, really.
"Any scientific evidence of gravity? - No!"
Wow, I don't even know how to respond to that.
Ask the non believer to step off a tall building. Ok, perhaps drop a dead bird off the top of the building.
@@bertblankenstein3738 Since they are in absolute denial, I doubt even that will convince them that they are wrong.
@@gibtsnicht1003 I have a feeling that the non believer will not step off the building. They would know (hopefully) that they might get hurt, and we'd have to ask why they might get hurt.
@@bertblankenstein3738 The FLERF theory of gravity is buoyancy. That you have to have gravity to end up with buoyancy is lost on them. They don't have a theory of how buoyancy occurs, they take it as a fundamental "force".
I think that you can see it yourself with something like a dynamometer, a cargo ship and a wrecking ball but the numbers may be off
The idea is that the ball and ship might have anough gravitational pull to be registered by the dynamometer but this implies that you can find a dynamometer both powerful and precise enough to register it when you go as close as you can to the ship centre of mass, if you go on it any powerful dynamometer should work though since the force is proportional to 1/distance^2 so when distance goes to 0 the force goes to infinity
Noooooo! Stop giving this guy air time! That's all he wants!!
Totally agree with this^
Professor Dave on RUclips has done the best beat down of flat earth I have seen to date.
Watch If you enjoyed what Professor Dave did watch CoolHardLogic.. Testing Flatards and World of Batshit series...
I appreciate your use of ancient memes, makes me feel a little less ancient.
says the guy with the commodore picture. nice one
@@hito1988 this was exactly the comment I wanted to make. I leave satisfied.
Professor Daves Video on Flat Earth is still one of my favourites
Which one?
@Patrick Barsalou I have seen them all. You will see many of my comments under his videos.
Indeed 👍 Professor Dave has a very nice way of sometimes aggressively explaining science in great detail to these nutbags 😀😂
How to they explain that air gets thinner the higher up you go?
They don't probably just like religious people what ever makes them feel strange in their pants they just strait out denies it.
Well, perspective, of course :-)
Q: "how does this even work?"
A: "perspective works by quantumpressuredensity, learnyourphysics, #showmethecurve, URALLSHEEP!!!!"
That's about how it goes.
You might need to sit down for this one. They say .... because air is produced at ground level by trees.
@@david_akerman Hey, that's starting to make sense now, less trees at the mountain tops. equals less air! Brilliant!
I want them to explain the opposite, how far underground does the earth go.
I love my telescope!
Especially the equatorial mount.
Which only works if you are on a spherical object.
I wonder why the flatheads don't recognize the psychology associated with ALL of their enemies having a common denominator.
They're ALL intelligent.
If you go through life demonizing people who learn, it says a lot about your own reluctance to do the same.
I've lost my motivation to discuss remedial physics with anyone who denies physics.
"To try and reason with the unreasonable is itself unreasonable."---I don't know who said that but it saves me a lot of time.
Get em thunderfoot !
"I don't understand it, so it can't be so."
Worse: "I don't understand it, must be a conspiracy!!!!!"
"I don't understand this, so I convince myself I understand the opposite instead"
Exactly. If you’re up to a challenge. ruclips.net/video/EIyjH2v4vmA/видео.html
“Genesis 1:6 is valid, the Earth is obviously a sphere. BUT, the Firmament is very REAL.”
Prove me wrong, I dare you :-)
Like someone in livechat says
He playes stupid for the money
Says an SJW NPC brainwashed by MSM. I'm not saying Earth is flat. But smart folks are not as dogmatic as you are. We question EVERYTHING rather than relying on Soros-funded MSM for useful id**ts like you LMFAO
I started seeing people say that and Also realized how smart the guy actually is. He _knows_ Flat earth isn't real but he's making so much damn money.
so much funny.
@@redpillantifeminist822
I'd set up the Trying Too Hard Meter, but I don't want the poor thing to explode. kek
Silver What? On 1000 views?
you know , that's probably how religions got started :)) someone was trolling and the rest took it seriously. just like with flat earthers ;)
actually Scientology startet that way.
See for example L. Ron Hubbard.
@blackrave404 mhm
So to disprove gravity, they show a clip about buoyancy.....which is a construct of gravity.
Impressive
Pouring a „heavier“ gas like CO2 into a bucket and demonstrating that it is confined in there by gravity by holding a flame into the bucket should be quite a nice elementary school level demonstration of how gravity (or whatever they believe pulls us down) affects gases.
But then they claim gas pressure needs a container, rather than the previous claim of a closed container. We should thank flerfs though, for they invented rocket propelled goalposts.
They will assert that, since there is a dome covering Earth, there is still a lid.
Someone actually did in the previous video's comment section.
You can make a boat of aluminum foil float on top of SF6 gas. Searching for Sulfur Hexafluoride in RUclips's search box returns videos demonstrating this, for example:
ruclips.net/video/iQWtZd8jM3g/видео.html
where experiments with SF6 start one minute into the video.
I wouldn't recommend replicating these experiments, though, as SF6 is a strong greenhouse gas, and will slowly, but eventually, mix with the atmosphere and contribute to global warming.
@@cambridgemart2075 Well, since they ridicule the idea that gas behave like bouncy balls, you could derive the specific heat for ideal gases and then do an experiment to show that you get consistent results. But they are going to say it still isn't proof just because they didn't unterstand the math. Talking to a flat earther is a total waste of time
@@duccio1299 bringing them above 5km where they nearly suffocate still does not convince them that the pressure is decreasing as you go higher , and eventually comes close to zero.
You do not even have to believe in gravity or bouncy gas molecules, if the pressure naturally approximates zero as the altitude increases, you do not need a container.
They would do hundreds of their own their own experiments if they would be actually interested in reality. But are afraid to experiment, because reality may disprove what they think.
They are substituting their reality for fiction. You cannot convince them, because they fundamentally reject reality for very different reasons.
20:30 its rare to see T-foot showing compassion or mercy, but at this point, you can tell he truly feels sorry for them. His response videos are usually in a straight mocking tone through the whole thing. The flat earthers only point is that rubber balls aren't molecules, yes we know, its a visual aid, Do you think they used microscopes to split atoms? can you imagine if Einstein had to visibly show people the atoms he wanted to split?! Shit were just now in 2020 on the cusp of being able to make a microscope that can see them and its not even really seeing them since a light wave is bigger than a single atom, fuck even that would be too abstract for this poor bastard.. But the idea is at least 2000 years old. I can't imagine not being able to imagine.
"You can't have gas pressure without a container" How TF do you think turbines work then?
Even better, just rig up a pipe tee fitting so that a full cylinder of CO2 gas blows across the tee, and fit the lower leg of the tee to a bottle. When you open the cylinder and the gas rushes past the tee, the air in the bottle will be sucked out pretty good by the Bernoulli principle, and you will witness a container at a low pressure, with no solid lid to keep the very much higher pressure CO2 gas passing by from rushing in and equalizing the pressure. How can a near vacuum exist in a bottle open at the top to high pressure gas? It's a miracle, Padre!
@@someolddude3858 isnt this called "decompression"?
Magic of course!
Air weighs .076 lb per ft/3 . Atmosphere is approx 12 km up... youve got everything you need for the force/area calculation ;)
@@MrDmadness But that only works if you already assume an air pressure of 101.325 kPa (~14.7 psi), which is only at sea level. Air density is proportional to air pressure, and vice-versa, so it varies by elevation. You can, however, use gas constants to derive the pressure at a given elevation, but you need a lot more variables.
Well done, glad to have found your channel, since someone mentioned this very pair of videos debunking flerfs. I'll be watching a few more to see if your channel is something I would like to watch regularly. 😁