Springfield Armory’s Response to my M1A Explosion. (ZSR 7.62x51 Lot 15)
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Springfield Armory has completed their investigation into my M1A Socom incident back in Feb/March. Glad I can finally get this info your way!
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Im the owner of the blown Springfield M1A scout that was mentioned. Springfield also replaced my rifle and everything just as described. They really are a phenominal company, they did not have to do this considering the apparent fault being on ZSR. Great big thanks to Anthony for getting me in contact with Springfield. Thanks for the video update!
Glad Springfield hooked both of us up! Let’s hope other companies see what they do for their customers. Glad we got the word out.
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So good to know as I was on the fence on "pulling the trigger" ;
ZSR got noticed right away when it showed up in the US roughly 10-15 yrs ago. I bought a quantity to test, (glad I didn't buy a case). I had problems with it immediately. The worst powder fouling I've seen in a factory cartridge, which is saying something as .308 has been my main cartridge since 1973.
Erratic velocities, erratic sticky extraction and the rifles felt "different". By that I mean I can feel the vibration difference especially in an AR style, they feel like they're going to blow. Reminds me of a nasty Thoroughbred I had who'd suddenly tense up his back (arch)while galloping, which was a prelude to bucking. Feels like sitting on a powder keg next to a campfire.
I had the same sensations from Hornady Superformance in a DPMS G2 .308. I don't like ammo that's on the razor's edge of "safe" just for 150 fps more.
Turks seem to like high pressure ammo. Their 8x57 surplus from the 1940s/50s was always hot. I never had a batch that seemed mild. In the past 50 years there's been some very shaky surplus get imported, like machinegun only to horrible quality (Pakistan, India, Mexico).
From my experience if you have a questionable cartridge....don't push your luck and keep shooting it. The odds will catch up to you.
You just sold me and I am going in on this gun...what a company in this day in age! Thanks!
I’ll still never buy ZSR due to this awesome info.
Springfield is awesome for doing this.
Springfield hascthe absolute best customer service. Shout out to Drew. Thanks for always being so helpful.
That's awesome that Springfield sent you a new rifle!!
Well done Springfield! It warms the heart to know that my favorite rifle maker really steps up to the plate. ❤
Here’s a story about Springfield from years ago. I purchased a new m1 garand from them years ago when they were making them in .308. I had to send it back to them 3 times due to short recoil. Each time they were good to deal with. But after getting it back after the third time and still having the same problem. I was a little upset. I called and explained the situation. I said I want to talk to the head of the company. They connected me in seconds,and I know it was him. I told him my story. Explained at the time I didn’t make a lot of money,and could not afford a gun that didn’t work. I said I either wanted a full refund,or I wanted a GI standard m1a. I then sent the garand back. A short time later I received a delivery from Springfield armory. It was a brand new fully glass bedded national match at no extra charge. I was stunned to say the least. This was back in late 80s. It’s nice to know that they are still a standup company.
Was your gun cast or forged?
Springfield Armory is a class act, in spite of their Illinois controversy from a few years ago. I had a brand new Springfield Armory, TRP 1911 that had FTE issues on the first magazine of ammo fired in it. Springfield took the gun back on their dime, tuned and repaired it and had it back to me within 2 weeks of sending it to them. The gun has been 100% flawless since.
What was the IL thing?
Dam did the issues stop after about 100 rds , or kept failing to feed ?
Springfield is a "class act"? Do you forget the multiple times they lobbied for anti-2A laws with certain special carve-outs for themself?
It's nice to hear what a solid stand up company Springfield Armory is, thanks for the update.
many years ago i received a monetary award for exceptional service from the us army rocket and laser research labs. Instead of blowing it on alcohol and strippers, i went to my local dealer and purchased a used M1a Springfield. Later at home, i discovered it was a national match!!! WHAT??? Even later, about a year, there was a Springfield recall on the M1a, so i sent mine back. Within only about 3weeks, here comes a shipment to me from Springfield. At home and opening the box, all i got back from my original gun was the receiver. ALLLLLLL else was BRAND NEW stock, sling, and alllll metal parts, all stamped national match!! A NEW NATION MATCH M 1 A!!!! What luck!! Thank you Springfield!!! A lifetime customer for sure!! And it shoots reeallly well!!!
I was going to get a M1A SOCOM anyway, but now I’m definitely getting M1A SOCOM from Springfield. And much respect to those ammo distributors too. This is the way to do business. And thank you for the updates and information.
Same thing happened to my M1A Standard Loaded. I sent the gun back to Springfield and they determined it was an overloaded cartridge. The cartridge company denied any responsibility but did agree to take the ammo back. Springfield Armory said it wasn’t their responsibility and I 100% agreed but they sent me a new M1A totally at their expense. I am a Springfield Armory fanboy for life.
WOW super KUDOS to Springfield and to you for such an amazing report!
👍👍to Springfield Armory
Kudos Springfield ! 👍 🫡
Springfield Armory has the absolute best ✌️customer service of all gun manufacturers. 👍
Springfield Armory is a good company and they truly care. 🎯👍
Thanks for the update. Glad no one was hurt. Impressive customer support from Springfield Armory! ZSR - time to stand up.
Springfield is solid for replacing the rifle. Good that nobody was injured . You guys were lucky.
Kudos to Springfield for sending you replacement rifle! That is exceptional customer service!
First, the most important part is your friend was not injured from this failure. Second, thanks to Springfield Armory for doing what they do best is customer support. Third, I never purchase any ammo from a foreign country or any surplus military ammo period. Glad that you have a new replacement rifle and most of all your friend is OK!
Springfield has always had great customer service and warranty repair. Top notch.
I’ve had Springfield perform repairs on a firearm of mine and have been impressed and more than satisfied at the work performed and their integrity and honor to their product and customer.
I am not a Springfield fan, but....kudos to them for replacing that rifle. I hope you can recoup the cost of the 400 rounds you still have.
I freakin love Springfield. That is why I buy and carry every day a Springfield firearm and trust my life with them. Glad your buddy is ok and that you got a new rifle. As for ZSR..... They have a lot of explaining to do to a lot of people.
Nice to see Springfield took care of you.. If ZSR doesnt stand up and take responsibility then they should be banned from importing ammo. I dont personnally shoot that caliber but glad you could warn everybody
Hello fellow M1a owners I worked for a ammunition manufacturing co. for several years and one thing I learned from my experience was always use well known ammo manufacturing co. Preferably MADE IN USA the only exception was NATO stamped brass. The outcome of this story with the ammo co. I fear will not be a good one. I send a big salute to Springfield Arms for the quick response on replacing the damaged M1a .Thanks for sharing your experience with the rest of us.Springfield Arms👍👏
Happy to hear that you got a new M1A from Springield!
Always loved the brand. Springfield Armory Firearms are the best.
I'm glad neither you nor your friend were hurt and sorry you had to go through this. Bravo to Springfield Armory for superior customer service!
Bought the tanker M1A and shot it for the first time this past weekend. Glad Springfield did the right thing. We MUST support our American gun and ammo producers. Stay safe stay ready.
There is an Advertising Exec from Springfield high fiving EVRYONE right now. The rifle they sent you just got ME all warmed up for Springfield again after 40 years or so. I was in the Honor Guard and spun 1903's, good times.
Great post, a rare safety informational video, so thank you for this.
Springfield treated you quite well. I'm impressed 👏
Good on Springfield for standing behind their product and providing good customer service.
It's extremely important to go above and beyond for customers especially in this day and age. Replacing a product that you have no obligation to replace is the best advertising money can buy, and no amount of marketing can fix a bad reputation.
Good on SA!!! Love those guys!!! Phenominal that they took care of you eventhough the root cause was not due to their product. Great company - I have multiple SA rifles and will buy more.
I purchased a pre-ban standard M1A they said was built in the 80s. It had hammer follow when function testing after I field stripped and cleaned it. I didn’t take the trigger group apart, just a basic field strip. I contacted them and explained the issue, told them I wasn’t the original owner and they said no problem, send it to us. They sent an RMA, and fixed it in about 3 weeks time. They replaced the bolt, hammer, as they were recalled, and deburred the trigger guard. They sent it back in a new soft case. Out of the box the hammer follow was fixed when dry cycling it. I haven’t taken it apart again or shot it yet, but the point of the story is that Springfield will take care of you if things need fixing. I paid for nothing.
I am so happy Springfield is a good company. I am also happy you guys were not hurt. Nice rifle! I have a Springfield M1A standard. I wish I would have gotten the SOCOM. Stay safe and great update!😊
If not on a bench rest he might have been more "up close and personal" on the grip. 8
I'm so glad to see that Springfield did right by you and most importantly that no one was injured in this incident. I know Springfield Armory as a company has taken a lot of crap over the past few years but in my experience, they've always stood by their products.
Cheers to Springfield Armory!
They made a political mistake a few years ago. But they soon realized it and changed their 8:10 policy.
They could have easily said 'Bad Ammo Not our fault. So No replacement!
But they went the extra mile and did the right thing.
As an aside this is why manufacturers will tell you your warranty does not cover your hand loaded ammunition.
Working at a Gun store I have seen several guns damaged by customers who made mistakes reloading.
One blew up a M1 .30 Carbine by using handgun ball powder. I asked him to bring in his reloading manual and powder. This confirmed it was user error. The failure looked very similar to your rifle.
I had another customer who loaded his 22-250 ammo way to hot. He thought he knew that the maximum load in the manual was not hot enough.
Luckily the only thing that happened was he could not open the bolt action rifle.
My gunsmith confirmed that it was way over pressure!
This seems to be more common with pistol calibers that were developed in the black powder era. The .45 Colt Long and .44 WCF (44-40) are easily double charged if you are not vigilant.
Trail Boss powder is designed for these cartridges. It takes up more volume to help prevent double charges.
If you are starting out reloading. Please get some good how to manuals!
Thanks for the uodates
Wow!!! First of all, I’m glad no one was injured by this incident. I’m a long time 7.62x51 shooter, hand reloader. I have never had a problem with anything close to that level of pressure in a case. It had to be loaded with an extreme amount of the wrong powder. I’m impressed with Springfield’s Customer Service, and their quality. Great video and thank you for sharing. Please keep us posted on the outcome by the ammunition company.
Kudos to SA (I am a fan, regardless of past 2A indiscretions), and Kudos to True Shot.
thanks for the update in this saga. fantastic to hear that Springfield went above and beyond and send you a new rifle.
Great Video: Very straightforward, simple and respectful of parties involved. Thank goodness there was no super-serious injury.
Thank you for the update and info! Glad nobody was hurt!
In the grand scheme, it costs them nothing to replace and gets them great pr and new customers. Kudos to them.
I am currently employed at a local gun shop in San Antonio, Texas . As of 2015 my yearly average of selling Springfields is around 5 to 6 hundred a year. They don't come back to our store for common issues or repairs like other brands. And for good reason. Its a very good brand. I own 6 Springfields and the only thing I have had done is put night sights on some of them. On the very few that I have seen for repairs, Springfield Armory has stood by their word.
Glad everyone is ok. Coming from a Socom owner I’m glad that it’s my first rifle I bought. I then continued to buy 2 1911s from Springfield. the MC and the EMP. I will continue to do business with them. Great company!!!
that is awesome , wish Smith & Wesson was this customer oriented
Very good for Springfield Armory, it is because of this type of failure that I have reloaded all my ammunition for 35 years. greetings from Argentina
Springfield Armory replaced my M 1A some 25 years ago when it stopped functioning properly 👍 Even though ammunition is pricey better get the good stuff. I bought a lifetime supply of sealed NATO crated ammo in the ‘90 and glad I did. When I’m gone my son-in-law will get it what’s left.
So very glad they are fixing your rifle! I just posted a video showing how Lot 12 and Lot 16 are severely jamming guns. Keep up the great work my friend! You should post the copy of the Email I received from ZSR saying there was NO PROB with the ammo including Lot 15!
Congratulations dude. I have a loaded M1A and have had no issues, so far! Good to know Springfield did the right thing even though they didn’t have to!😊
I followed your videos about your incident from the beginning until now . Like others, my conclusion was defective ammo and I was glad to see you follow up in a comprehensive and non biased way that confirmed the conclusion. Complements to the companies that stepped forward and acted in a proper manner. I am glad to see a good ending to a bad situation.
I've been dealing with Springfield since the early 90"s and they are definitely top shelf.
Good for you and your friend is very lucky..............Lawyer up on ammo manufacturer
That's awesome you got a replacement rifle and no one was hurt. I'm in the same situation with ZSR. I received notice of the recall, but they indicated to go back to the place I bought from. However, it was an online order. I emailed Outdoor Limited and am waiting for a response. Hopefully, I hear some good news!
Hopefully outdoor limited takes it back. They did in fact stop selling it.
thanks for the update. i have Lot 015. i got it at TSGC, taking it back tomorrow
Thanks for the follow up in letting everyone know that someone that didn't have to, stepped in and replaced firearm. Springfield know that this small issue to them will get them a lot of positive points in the future. If a lot of companies would do this it would save and make future customers. I for one have been on the fence on a new purchase and this really helps me look at Springfield more. Thanks again.😮😊😂
I love Springfield.. You probably can tell I'm a Springfield Main 😂.. That's great customer service..
I love Springfield and have an M1A. I want a Socom or Scout as well.
Great update, thanks!✌️
I’m really pleased to hear Springfield treated you so well. I hear a lot of bad talk about Springfield Armory and I have sold many of their firearms when I worked at the Fort Worth Cabela’s store. I’ve wanted an M1A for a long time. I own one of their AR15’s and am really happy with it.
I almost bought a 500 round case of that stuff. Thank God I didn't because I'd be heartbroken if that happened to my m1a. I think Springfield understands the love the owners truly have for their rifles. Sadly rare in today's world
I own a socom16 and a standard m1a…… Ty for the info. Like seriously, tyvm!!👍
Thank God nobody was hurt.
Beautiful explanation -
I know what brand of ammuniton I will *_never_* buy now. Kuds to Springfield for going anove and beyond to investigate, and replace the gun at no cost, when it wasn't even their guns' fault!
I have 7 Springfield’s, they are a great company..
Good for Springfield.
I have newfound respect for them.
Thanks for the update!
Happy for a great turn out. A good stuff to Springfield for the replacement 👌
Excellent video and informative
Good to hear that Springfield is taking care of their customers.
Damn. Makes me want to buy more Springfield firearms. Great American company.
That’s exactly why they did it
Thanks for all the info and updates. Much appreciated….. i’m a little leery myself now because I purchased 1000 rounds of 9 mm ZSR from velocity and hope that it is safe to use… thanks again
I’m so happy for you young man
I am a Springfield armory fan for life go Springfield Armory
I'm glad they back you. This is another reason why I am buying one, myself
We’ve bought several Guns from Springfield Armory with no issues whatsoever. They are not the cheapest ! For a very good reason 🙏🏼
Springfield should NEVER needed to send you a new rifle. I hope they can collect the cost from ZSR. Companies that do wrong accidental or on purpose should be held accountable, not companies that were not at fault. All these American companies shouldn't have to bear the cost of Turkish ammo.
I haven't had to deal with Springfield customer support yet, however, I can speak to Ruger being a company that will stand by their products, and their customers. Now knowing that Springfield is much the same way, makes me want to go out and get an M1A like I've wanted for over a decade now. I'm stoked to see you had a happy outcome, and that all these other distributors are stepping up when ZSR is still hiding under the sheets. Just goes to show that the gun community is still strong, and we look out for one another.
Big gap, to say the least, between how Springfield Armory and ZSR are dealing with their customer service.
Maybe ZSR can learn from Springfield 😶🌫️
Big THANK YOU for putting this information out there!
In this entire video, only two words came to mind. Charge-Back
No ZSR needs to fork the money up! Hey Right on Springfield General Washington would be proud.
Glad everything worked out for Champ! Keep up the good work!
Great job, Springfield! It's encouraging to see them take significant action, despite it seemingly not being their responsibility. The issue of low-quality ammunition causing firearm malfunctions seems to be growing more common. Given the strict regulations in this industry and the challenges in obtaining insurance, I'm curious if there's a deliberate oversight by regulatory bodies, possibly hoping that incidents involving this ammunition will lead to harm among the general shooting community and cast them in a bad light."
I just purchased a Springfield M1A last week. I was shocked at how expensive the ammo is, $1 a round basically and that is for the cheap stuff. I am was thinking about getting into reloading as a hobby due to the expense of the ammo. After watching this video, I am seriously reconsidering not going down that path.
Glad it worked out..zsr should reimburse Springfield…hopefully your video goes viral to all gun owners…Hickok45 has 7 million 8:10 viewers…maybe he can help spread the word…I’m glad all the guys walked away from exploding rifles.
Would be nice if he reported this, but our channel isn’t even a blip on the radar 😂🙃
Good on Springfield for taking care of you .
Glad Springfield armory came through, I will not buy any of that ammo. Thank you very much
So the company NOT at fault.. Springfield..stood tall and went above and beyond by replacing a rifle they didn't have to, and the company AT fault is incommunicado. Bravo to Springfield! Now lawyer up and put the screws to the ammo company. Nothing on earth pisses me off worse than being ignored by somebody that's harmed me. Glad you got a new rifle 😀.
True Shot is my local. I guess from now on I should be buying from them. I've bought from battle hawk in the past, not anymore after hearing they aren't taking the ammo back.
I purchased my Ammo from Zinc Point Manufacturing. They now appear to be out of business.
I have a completely different lot #, but am still very hesitant to use it in my rifles; a SCAR 117S and a homebuilt PSAS AR-10. I have 600 rounds. It was labelled simply SAR, with the same picture on the box and in small print inside the box: ZSR. Lot #52.
I also have some 9mm under a different name that was manufactured by ZSR. I am very hesitant about shooting any of it at all.
Made in Turkey. No Bueno.
First thank goodness your friend was not hurt. Springfield Armory is obviously a standup company, I have owned a TRP, Professional, and a M1A. Never a problem with any fd them. I will be buying more from them. ZSR is the exact opposite. I will avoid them like the plague.
Just my thoughts on Springfield. I bought the m1a loaded precision and had issues out of the box. The receiver wasn’t milled correctly and the bolt wouldn’t hold open without an empty magazine. I was also having issues with the bolt locking closed with a live round in the chamber that couldn’t be fired. Springfield took the rifle back through my FFL and pushed it to the front of the line and fixed everything. I had it back in less than 2 weeks and it runs flawlessly. Say what you will about some things they’ve done in the past but their customer service is on point.
Awesome man I’m glad you got your rifle back be safe out there
That is the best marketing Springfield could ever do, by backing up their product even though it wasn't their fault
My friend purchased some of this ammo, it was not lot 15, not sure what lot it was. When fired in his bolt action rifle, he could not open the bolt. We had to pry the action open. This happened three times. After that he did not fire any more. This was in a box marked as ZSR American Sniper Range 7.62x51 M80 NATO Ammo 149 Grain Match Grade with a photo of Chris Kyle on the box. It said Chris Kyle brand American sniper ammunition. The case head said ZSR 22 7.62x51. I would stay away from this ammo. The primer was very flat and the ejector left a shinny spot on the case head. Both signs of high pressure. The place he purchased it from in CT gave him his money back.
Glad to hear he got his money back from the distributor.
ZSR needs to be banned from sale. Lose an eye, lose a life. Failure in home defense and you lose your families lives. FANTASTIC that Springfield Armory did what they didn't have to do. I've wanted one of these rifles. Helps me make the decision to purchase one.