The police: She's an adult, she's allowed to go out and about without telling anyone. Call back later. Also the police: When someone goes missing, the first 48 hours are the most crucial.
That doesn’t exactly mean what you think and kinda makes you look stupid. Police aren’t super hero’s and they aren’t obligated to actively defend or save human life (sadly) The whole 48 hours concept refers to the fact that most of the 600,000+ missing person cases result in the person showing up within 48 hours. So essentially without clear evidence of danger there’s no logical reason to assume someone won’t be home shortly. The text message sounds suspicious given the context we have now right? Like that must be clear evidence of a crime right? It’s basically saying that she’s about to die and has been kidnapped… “They are not going to let me go love you there is a key to the house in the blue flowerpot by the door.” Odd that without the bias of knowing what happened to Debbie it doesn’t say any of that or come across as explaining some panicked deadly situation at all. This text could easily mean “hey I’m not going to be able to get off work early but the spare key to the house is in the blue flower pot” just a friendly text from mother to daughter updating her that she’s not going to be home in time and that she can let herself in. The arrogance of people in a true crime comment section is rivaled by none.
@@mobilegameclips5628 "they are not going to let me go" even with zero context sounds ominous. If she was at work it does not sound ominous but she was not at work the video says she was just heading out to family dollar and almost I plied she was retired
@@probrickgamer yes but thats my point all of that takes time for the cops to verify they don’t immediately know the context or if the person calling is even mentally stable and telling the truth.
She bought a tarp, only texted one child, took off some clothes & set her abdomen on fire as a suicide attempt?! None of that makes any sense! The case better still be open on this one. How devastating 😔
Mother committed suicide and wanted to be found in a ravine naked? ODD. People with their own homes usually do it in their house. I do hope this case is challenged.
Exactly! Also setting yourself on fire seems like an extremely hard death when she couldve just decided to OD on her meds......this conclusion is so strange
This particular death was definitely suspicious and I have extreme doubts of suicide being the cause as well... however, on occasion people who have friends and family that love/care about them, they sometimes attempt to make their death look like an accident, like a car crash or falling on a hike in order to preserve their image and to also protect the emotions of those who knew them. It's sad, they will care so much about other people, but don't know how to care for themselves anymore...
@@MrKBone93 I watched the whole video and I feel the same way. Just because she had a drug problem and fought with her mother, doesnt mean that she didnt love her. In fact it would only make her loss more painful, knowing the hurt you caused her and your fights. I pray she is able to over come her drug problems and live with the guilt for causing her mother pain. Apparently you haven't been touched by the opioid problem , they most likely fought about that and it wouldnt surprise me if the daughter was stealing her meds.
@@primesspct2 But you don't even know what her doc was - for all we know it could have been Adderall, Atavan, Xanax, Meth, Crack, bath salts, morphine, fent, X, mollies, ketamine, or any number of the research chemicals out there which include heavy, heavy novel benzos. People apparently even get addicted to weed although that's the exception certainly not the rule.
The most compelling thing in this tragic case is police incompetence and disdain for the citizens. As soon as they found out some members of the family had a police record they've wrapped up the case. Going from 'definitely murder' to suicide is beyond pathetic.
I agree! They were horrible from the first moments to the last. They still probably wouldn’t have found her if her daughter hadn’t contacted the car rental company/Sirius XM (I assume she’s the one who did that).
The police in Georgia are notoriously corrupt. Both the police and the Georgia bureau of investigation let Matthew Boyton get away with MURDER. They are dirty as sin.
I live in Habersham where this is happening and I was so upset hearing it ruled a suicide! The GBI has begun investigating the case now so hopefully there will finally be justice 🙏🏼❤
I definitely will keep everyone updated! The sheriff’s office here is terrible… I could give some other news on them, but this isn’t the place. I want to respect Debbie Collier’s family ❤️
As a former 911 dispatcher, I would like to advise the public that when you call the police to file a missing persons report, unless it’s a child, the only thing the police do is input all pertinent info into the NCIC (National Criminal Information Center). So this way when that person gets pulled over or gets their info run on a traffic stop it will show they are reported missing. People seem to think that as soon as a person gets reported missing the cops all go into search mode and the entire force is out looking for that person. As you have seen at the beginning of this particular case the officer took the report and went home, the detectives weren’t even in the office and per the 911 dispatcher they are on an ‘on call’ status and weren’t even on duty. The only time they call out everyone is if it’s a child or an adult with exigent circumstances. There’s no search party and the police don’t go searching every nook and cranny looking for your loved one. It’s just not done that way. It broke my heart listening to the daughter asking the dispatcher what she should do and what have the police been doing to find her missing mother (which was absolutely nothing). The daughter asked if she should contact a private detective, personally the one thing I’ve learned is that there are 2 things people can do to light a fire under the arse of the police….1 is to contact the media, the 2nd is to use a private detective. The police DO NOT like having an outside party involved and/or scrutinizing their every move. My 2 cents on this case. My condolences to the family and friends.
I usually am about to keep my composure when listening to the 911 call with the daughter and I am in pieces. That girl is trying her hardest to keep so nice and understanding. My heart goes out to her. I just want to hug her so hard.
She obviously killed her self, why do you think she sent the last of her money to her daughter as she knew she was going to die, and then she bought all the stuff she was going to use to kill her self. There was also no one with her. She was only one in the van, obviously had some mental issues.
It seemed like a suicide to me. There are many cases where people commit suicide in elaborate ways in order to make it seem as if they were murdered. The fact that only the abdomen was burned and yet the woman was holding onto the tree, seems like suicide. The behaviour leading up to it is suicidal and the motive would be depression due to chronic pain. I guess you don't like with anything like that so can't imagine how death can seem like a better option.
So for a suicide option, we are meant to believe that she chose the most painful and least likely to definitely kill as the option she chose? I’m no expert, but I can say with some degree of confidence that if you asked 20 people to choose between several forms of death, Fire would be among the most unpopular methods.
And a woman committing suicide would not remove her clothing before dying. They just wouldn’t do that. This is not a suicide. Sounds like small town police don’t want to work the case. I agree to look at the parolee who had the car incident with her. He would have exchanged contact information if he wanted to handle it without police involvement.
It wouldn't be the first time someone has killed themselves by fire. There's one of these on a US crime show, I watch that many I can't remember which one. There were two or three teenage boys, found someone burning, got the police etc It's very unusual, but this person had a psychotic episode and although this women in the video, hasn't a history and most things like that happen a younger stage in life, it's not beyond possibility, but of course everything else has to be rules out first.
I'm not too far in, but listening to her daughter on the phone with 911 just trying to find an update and still just being so sweet like she feels like she's bothering someone... ugh my heart breaks. I know that's how I would be too and it just churns my stomach. I can't even begin to imagine the panic and helplessness she must have felt.
They love to claim "suicide" when they don't have the manpower, funds or time to properly investigate an actual homicide. I hope the family gets a private investigator because this is very wrong and clearly a homicide. I am wishing this woman's loved ones and her family the best. 🙏🏾💛🕊💛🙏🏾
@Robynn... **12 days ago** Recent Autopsy Reports recently released: It states that she was burnt way more than just some charring on her stomach. There was some fire damage to her windpipe, but all results indicate she was not breathing or alive when burnt.There was some fire damage to her windpipe, but all results indicate she was not breathing or alive when burnt. Thank you for your update/ response...as I myself had more questions than answers after this report as I can imagine that so many others did too. Wouldn't that fact: (There was some fire damage to her windpipe, but all results indicate she was not breathing or alive when burnt). How 🤔 could she set herself alight after the fact? Wouldn't someone else have set her alight if she was already deceased when they set fire to her? From a lack of charring to her windpipe too? "I'm JUST SO SO CONFUSED AS TO HOW THE POLICE HAVE COME TO THIS CONCLUSION?
The police are either incredibly incompetent or they're trying to get Amanda and her boyfriend to slip up... bc only a drug addiction or complete idiot would think this looks like a suicide
I've been following this case since the beginning. They had another autopsy done by A very well done individual and he also agrees that it was definitely not a suicide. Which I agree. None of it makes any sense. What this poor woman went through was just terrible and I hope she gets justice because she deserves it. Being left holding onto a tree on the side of the road with your abdomen burned 60 miles from home. She could have just stayed home in bed and taken that whole bottle of pills. The truth will come out and she will get justice!! God bless her and what she endured and may she rest peacefully now❤️
If Debbie Intended to take her own life, why did she save herself from falling by clutching a branch and holding on to that branch whilst she was on Fire and even after Death. There's so much wrong with this case. R.I.P Debbie
when you are on fire you are in fight or flight mode no matter how suicidal you are you will try to stop the pain or use your reflexes to stop falls ect. now i dont think she killed herself but it would 100% normal for her to grab a branch while frailing around on fire.
A friend of mine committed suicide by jumping to train tracks off a bridge. In the last seconds, he tried to crawl out of the way despite snapping both of his legs. The human brain is a weird thing, even though you're planning on killing yourself, sometimes the instinct to survive kicks in at the last second.
Listening to the daughter on the phone with dispatch truly ripped my heart open. Amanda sounds like a loving,loyal, dedicated daughter just trying to get info about her mother. Amanda, I hope you find peace after this ordeal. You won’t find closure but hoping moving forward you find some kind of peace and normalcy considering what was done to your mother. My prayers for you and your loved ones
Have to agree with you about the phone call by daughter to dispatch. I have heard a hundred of these type of calls and unless I have lost all ability to sense a persons character....this young lady was absolutely distressed. It was unfortunate to find out the ugly past history of both she and her brother but that in itself is far from committing murder. The suicide part seems to me pretty far out there. Hope a descent investigation will finally come about. In the meantime like you mentioned...prayers for all the family members to have the strength needed to get through this difficult time.
My oldest son passed away over ten years ago and I get very angry when people talk about closure,it doesn’t exist. You come to grips with the tragedy and move on but the hole in your heart never heals.
@@NopiusMaximus your in the same club as my mother… my little brother passed away in August of21. It’s ripped a hole in my mom’s heart that will never mend. He was ( I hate having to speak about him in the past tense) 53 years old cruising home from work when a lady travelling in the opposite direction needed to pick up her phone. My heart goes out to you and your family, may the love of your other family members help you adjust to your loss but your absolutely correct about the pain, I see it every time I visit my mother. Be strong and thank your Lord for the time your son was here and his legacy being his children or accomplishments. I’ll see to it my mom lights a candle at church in your son’s honour next week at church.
“she’s an adult, she’s allowed to leave” is so crazy, as if people don’t know their own loved ones and wouldn’t know whether that’s something their loved one would ever do
While suicide is a deeply personal and private decision that others don’t understand- there are parts of this case like the recent autopsy results just released. It says she was burnt way more than just some charring on her stomach. There was some fire damage I believe to her windpipe, but all results indicate she was not breathing or alive when burnt. This is a very rare way for anyone to commit suicide, especially women. Further, most women also are not undressed when they are found. Lastly, the hydrocodone and the money..hmmm street value on those? A lot. As a long term opiate patient as the autopsy mentioned - my personal thought that 4x the normal usage is nothing that would cause a significant change for Debbie. Tolerance jumps fast, and most patients tend to overtake their meds when they’ve been on it for a while and are experiencing considerable pain. What would that be? 4 pills instead of 1 or 2. She certainly wouldn’t be inebriated unless it was mixed with another respiratory inhibitor- not to mention an older woman looking to end her life would be able to do it considerably less violent if she took all her meds. Where’s the rest of her script? Very suspicious.
Thank you so much for sharing this information! I have really struggled to find self-immolation as a reasonable answer here but I suppose anything is possible when your mind reaches a diseased state. I work as an RN and sadly I've seen all extremes, when someone is in so much distress they may consider something horrific and drastic. That being said I also find the opioid tolerance theory to be pretty plausible like you said. Someone with chronic pain increasing their dose would not react as a sober user might. Frankly I find it hard to believe it would be enough to alter her mental state so severely AND allow her to tolerate 3rd degree burns. This story is so so horribly tragic. I hope Amanda and the family are finding peace with this however they can ❤
@@mariella2884 I value your opinion! It’s nice to be able to see a medical opinion given! While I don’t have medical training, I have a family of opiate addicts, hence my knowledge. I study as much as I can on criminology in hopes of returning and finishing my degree. What do you think of the results showing no breakdown of the fire damage being breathed in? I thought that was strange since there is fire damage listed to I believe her windpipe. Self immolation is extreme and I agree that a desperate person will and can do extreme things, but it just doesn’t fit right. Not when she potentially could have used her whole prescription and maybe something else (I’m sure you know what I’m referring to) as an easier method. And the lack of clothing? Women just typically don’t do that.
@@mariella2884 and again, I agree. It’s horribly tragic and I can’t imagine the pain her loved ones are going through. I hope this is not swept under the rug too soon and some sort of conclusion is found. I’ve been following this case for a while.
I figured she took the pain meds to alleviate any pain she may end up feeling. She could’ve propped the log and set it on fire to where it would eventually fall on her. It’s possible she did this on her own. It’s possible she was killed. Her being in the Family Dollar store buying those items made the picture more clear to me.
I am glad you are covering this. I do not believe Debbie took her own life. Usually when someone wants to end their life they want it done fast, not in a torturous way imo. They need to reopen this case
Women are vain creatures and would not leave themselves undressed for the world to see. She did not kill herself in this vicious tortuous manner; someone else did.
If she had insurance and wanted to make sure her kids receive it, she would make it appear like a homicide rather than a suicide. Not too hard to conceive of to me.
"They are not going to let me go," says the last message she sent to her daughter, followed by a good amount of money. Who are "they"? Could it be her mind playing tricks or drug dealers? I need to read more about this case.
@@jakeylakey619"She [daughter] also responded to speculation that Collier may have staged a brutal crime to leave her life insurance to the family, saying her mom had no such insurance, the Independent reported." (NYP, Nov 14 2022)
She went to the site and ate a bunch of pills. The tarp may have been used to help her inhale the gases and she accidentally spilled some on her shirt and it caught fire. Her shirt was burned off.
"A canine unit found her down an embankment,nude,burned and clutching a tree''. Translates to- cops too lazy to do their job. So sick of this !!! First of all, torturous way to go. Second, no woman is going to be nude if she does choose to end her life. She looks like a sweet lady and my heart breaks for her. I hope those who loved her fight for the truth. RIP Debbie, you did not deserve this. ❤❤❤
Another very weird thing in the Family Dollar surveillance video she is buying toilet paper. Why would a person getting ready to commit suicide buy toilet paper?
I can’t believe they’re happy to leave it there as a suicide, definitely hire a private detective, so sorry for your loss this is such a tragic case 😢😢
It was a suicide. She took pills at the site and intended to use the tarp to inhale gases and kill herself. Fluid spilled on her shirt and caught fire, that's why she was naked. Her clothes were burned off. Sad all around.
See, I remember this. Everyone in the news RUclips comments was blaming the daughter without any info because she was an addict. As an addict myself (clean 3yrs) I understand the stigma, and there are people who would kill their moms to get right, but damn. At least let more info come out first. Imagine how hard it is to stay sober after your mom has clearly been killed and people are blaming you online. It would break me! My heart breaks for her and the rest of the family. Rest In Peace
People blamed the daughter because she was coming out with different scenarios as to why her mom was killed. On top of that if her mom had time to text that her mom should have called 911 instead of texting her daughter.
Exactly.... but it just has me wondering about what her son mentioned regarding the lady's posture wasn't of his mom and thinks that it was someone else. 🤔 But why send the Venmo??
it could have been that when she died her body came a bit close to the fire or whatever and got burnt after the fact, she might already have been dead at that point no?
I heard of people high on PCP do crazy stuff like stab themselves in the heart or light themselves on fire. But I highly doubt this woman took her own life in this way. The transfer of money to her daughter is curious. And it appears she may have been concerned about animals left alone in the home. I hope her case will be reopened and investigated again. Her family deserves answers.
A girl from my work wrote a suicide letter and put it in her work locker saying she felt like she was a failure in life. She seemed really happy and talkative on the staff bus to the staff car park at 3 am and then she drove her car to an empty lot. She poured petrol all over her car and herself. Got onto the floor in the back and jammed her legs in so it wouldn’t be easy for her to back out. She set herself alight. I was mortified when I first was told. Wished I knew she was so depressed and wondered how much you must hate yourself to do this kind of thing. Her happiness on the bus must of been that she knew the end was near. She was around 19 or 20. It’s hard to wrap your head around.
Wait--Dispatch said they had issued a BOLO- (Be On look out) for Debbie’s rental vehicle-But the officer said he’d seen the van there the day before??? Something just ain’t jiving in Georgia!!! Hearing Amanda breaking down on that call had me crying too! 😢 If it was self inflicted, why would she have been trying to hold on to the tree?? Where did the bullet come from?? *Hey Sheriff, you would have HAD TO arrest me if I’d been the son !! Her family should DEFINITELY hire a private investigator! Looks like she was planning to attend that ballgame…?
The police dispatcher in this video was incredibly kind, caring and empathetic unlike so many who are rude, inept & in some cases ignorant. Kudos to this dispatcher!! Thank you Ma’am❤.
That case drives me nuts. Someone recreated the angle of the stab wounds to the back of her head,using a woman of the same height,and she could get her arm at that angle but it was such an odd angle,she couldn't make a stabbing motion. How they could leave that as a suicide is insane to me.
Maybe because she was trying to kill herself? The fire was too painful I guess and she changed her mind to do it different way. Take into consideration that we don't know ALL the facts, only detectives. You cannot judge based only on what you hear on true crime channels...
Bless Amanda's heart tbh. She didn't even seem mad at the dispatcher when asking about the GPS or hiring an investigator, she just wanted to know if it would help find the answers :(
Honestly, I don't know this technology talk, but I'm trying to learn. My God there seems to be so much... I'm so old school I still use a flip phone for fuck sakes lol.... so.. thank you for the help.. ALL help is welcome thanks.
I remember when this happened unfortunately the county where she was found is ill equipped to handle cases like this. They should have reached out for additional resources from the start and there's absolutely no way this could have been a suicide.
Absolutely weird. I can’t This might be one of and possibly the most interesting case ever. Struggling to accept that she did this to herself. It’s just plain bonkers ♥️ RIP Debibie ♥️
Amanda's 911 calls just break my heart. The dispatchers that talked to Amanda and Debbie's sister are frustratingly dense and ineffective. After watching a lot of videos about missing people where their loved ones call 911 to get help it's like 9 out of 10 of them have terrible dispatchers. The call from the social worker who was assigned to the children of Josh Powell might be the worst I have ever heard. 911 dispatchers around the country need a huge over hall.
Why didn't they investigate the parolee who told Debbie not to report him as the driver of the truck from which the can of paint hit her car ? He said there's a stipulation in his parole that he's not allowed to drive. Why didn't we hear everything about who that parole e is and the whereabouts of him and anyone associated with him. I don't believe the suicide conclusion for 1 second. That's the Sheriffs Dept. taking revenge on her son for criticizing them by speaking up publicly. They know it's a murder but they shut him down by showing they have all the power to investigate or close a case any way they choose. I'm still shocked we didn't hear anything at all about that parolee and if Debbie had reported him as the driver of the truck ? Did I miss that part ? Does Anyone out there know ? I seldom write a comment but the unfairness and injustice for Debbie touched me in a way to say something. I appreciate your time to read my comment. Thank you.
He wanted to shut her up so that he didn't have to go back to jail. I bet it was him. They could have exchanged info at the time of the paint incident and then planned this. Sad either way !
I really hope the GBI reopened this case! Here are so many things not right. Like why did she send all her money to her daughter and not a dime to her son? Why did she say I love you and goodbye to her daughter, and not her son? Why when they found Debbie, her pocketbook was there with her when the day she went missing her daughter found it in Debbie's bedroom? Why if she was taking her own life would she say they aren't letting me go? If I was the GBI I would check the ping of the daughters and Debbie's cell phone at the time of the text. I'd check all messages on Debbie's cell phone. Something is so very wrong with this case! 💔🌹🤔
This has to be one of the most fascinating - and sad - cases I have ever heard. I don't believe a suicidal lady would be thinking about transferring money and writing strange texts. I hope the family eventually get the right answers.
@@fredajordan5704 Humans aren’t always logical or rational, especially if they’re high on Hydrocodone and suicidal. People do things that make no sense all the time. However, I can’t make my mind up whether she did actually commit suicide as the scene wasn’t explained properly, nor was there any mention of any other evidence like footprints, DNA in the car, proof of her being alone or with someone in the car, etc. The video does a poor job of explaining exactly what was or wasn’t at the scene, apart from the bag and a tarp.
SMS,- They won’t let me go.... body found burned. police,- yeah it’s suicide, most def suicide. WTF. Seriously. No Way She did this to herself!!! She needs justice!!!!!
Her text to her daughter: they won’t let me go Vehicle found 60 miles away from her home. Son not believing it was his mom in the videos. I don’t think it was suicide either
I just read an article in the New York Post that said Dr Michal Baden reviewed the case, and that the autopsy showed she was burnt over 80% of her body, but that there was ZERO soot or carbon monoxide found in her airway, (despite part of her COD was from "inhalation of superheated gasses) which would indicate that, unless Collier had the ability to reanimate and set herself alight after dying from an overdose, someone else was there at the time of her death. It's also highly unlikely that whoever it was wasn't there just to be a good person. Based on some of the ridiculous claims made by defense attorneys in court however, if/when LE ever finds a suspect and charges them, I can see a lawyer saying: "Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I submit to you that my client made a deal to be there with Ms Collier as moral support during her "passing," so they could subsequently try their hand at crime scene analysis and crime scene cleanup, to help them decide on a career path... and if you don't believe that excuse, then he was just out hiking and came upon her remains with a note that said, my last wish is for whoever reads this note to burn my remains. Please and Thank You." -Debbie It's a mindf*ck, for sure. Also, what would be a fatal dose of opioids for a lot of folks, many times doesn't even phase a long term chronic pain patient. I believe the video hit the nail on the head when saying it'a very possible that though the levels of hydrocodone in Debbie's blood may have been fairly high, her having taken the drugs long term (for chronic back pain) means her tolerance was higher, and the high doses probably wouldn't have been fatal for her.
After reading your post, l am wondering if she was nodding off from an overdose, the plastic bag was on fire and she she inhaled those toxic fumes, the combination killed her, she died then fell onto the fire.But l don't understand her behaviour that led up to this. It's so sad for her and her family.I hope she is in peace.
Very interesting case. Something seems off, however, about the finding of it being Debbie's own hands causing her death. Very strange case. Thanks for another great video!
My heart breaks for poor Amanda and Jeffrey. Amanda's phone call to the dispatcher and the wavering voice she has as she tries to carry on and ask her questions...so awful. BTW, at 7:41, Amanda says "I don't understand why the GPS on her van hasn't been tracked."
@@kol2han I hadn't thought about that but that does raise a red flag to me now. It's like she already knew her mother was dead so she over played her role of a concerned daughter. If my mother was "missing" or not responding to me for a few hours I would definitely not be as concerned or even close to hysterical and would assume she was okay, just busy. I never believed Debbie did this to herself, even if accidental I think some circumstances would be different.
@@desireeann3734 they won't let me go and the key is under the blue flower pot. Two unrelated messages. Why doesn't she say who they are or where she is when she has time to write a message? there are too many red flags.
@@kol2hanmaybe the fact she's missing a few hours wouldn't alarm me, but the weird cryptic text messages might have raised the alarms that something was very wrong. And they weren't able to get her on the phone. This is her Mom, not a friend. They may have the type of relationship where her going MIA would be very out of the ordinary
@@kol2han extremely hysterical? That's overplaying it. She was quite upset but holding it together. I think if my mum sent me random messages and money then vanished and wasnt answering me i too would be quite upset even if I wasn't sure what had happened and even if it had only been a few minutes. Seems quite a natural reaction when it's a close loved one
The internet, media and police tore this family apart and caused so much extra stress, torment and grief when it wasn't needed. I remember, at the time, seeing a woman's youtube video about this case. Over 100,000 of her subs, and her, outright saying the daughter 'took out' her own mother! I consume true crime but that disgusted me. I remember leaving a comment saying 'You better be right about what you're accusing this young girl of doing to her mother, cos right now, if you're not, what you're doing is disgusting.' They carried on and didn't even apologise when it came out she took her own life. I feel awful for this family.
Some people are just disgusting and love to antagonize people SMH don't pay them any mind sweetheart they probably still live in their mother's basement at 40 freaking years old
If the daughter or a friend of the daughter posed as Debbie in the convenience store and Debbie was knocked out with a high dose of hydrocodone, Debbie could have been tied up and unconscious in the van while the imposter went inside to buy the items used at Debbie's demise. The daughter's boyfriend sounded so suspicious when I heard him say more than once that they were scared something similar would happen to them 'BECAUSE WE DIDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT' but the statement makes no logical sense -- and this was very early on before suspicions against them really mounted. It sounded like preemptive denial
I have a powerful gift of discernment and when this first happened I watched several videos on it, and I live on the TN/GA line, so I watched several news reports on it. This was not a suicide. Somebody shot her, thought she was dead, wrapped her in the tarp, then threw her face down on the fire. Once the fire burned through the tarp and started burning her, the pain woke her up. The tarp had burned enough for her to be able to get out of it. After that there are 3 scenarios that would explain how she ended up down the bank holding a tree in her hand. The perp(s )could have still been there and either she fought and got tossed down, or she jumped up and ran in a panic, probably looking back at the perp(s) and fell down it as a result. If the perp(s) had already left she could have been disoriented and/or confused, on top of being in a state of panic. She may have broke into a run as she came up out of the fire, and in her state of mind fell down it. She tumbled down the hill regardless of which of those is correct, and was still alive when she came to a stop. She either grabbed the tree trying to get up and died from her injuries, or the perp(s) saw she was still alive and went down to finish her off. If she was asphyxiated; then she most likely would have been reaching for anything that might help her get away. She grab the tree and tried pulling away as she died.
I remember this , I live in Athens (born and raised) the store she was last at isn’t far from where I live at all , but I didn’t know about this until a couple days later …. Athens isn’t really big like people seem to think so her story was spreading like a wildfire and of course different stories were told . It just makes no sense at all , especially w/ the circumstances . It’s sad and they’re in my prayers . 💔💔
You are by far one of my favorite crime content RUclips channels!!! Your voice is great and I like how you give condolences to the victims and loved ones. Thank you Beyond Evil!!
Omg... I burst out crying listening to Amanda's desperate and so sad call. I could feel her broken heart. Her Mom wasn't there to comfort her pain and loss. Poor baby. All my prayers to the family.
I am listening to this with headphones for the first time. New respect for the subtle music behind the 911 call. As if these calls needed to be more dramatic, Well done, sounds great!
No way was this suicide … THATS RIDICULOUS!!!?!! If anyone from the family see this .. I beg you to get another opinion!…. And I wish you all… all the VERY best moving forward… But too many things just don’t add up… I’m just amazed…. ❤ RIP Debbie… you deserve true justice…❤
May someday soon a smart & committed, detective comes along & finds the answers to all the questions surrounding this tragedy, God bless Debbie & all her family.
I remember this case so well, and was looking forward to finding out who really killed her. I was shocked when they ruled it a suicide, and almost as shocked to hear that conclusion hadn’t changed. There’s no way she killed herself like that.
This will be one of those cases where someone comes forward years later with the truth. Suicide is a crazy cause of death. I think maybe she was held at gunpoint or something but to do all this to urself while naked is insane. Too many unanswered questions for me. R.I.P to Mrs Debbie 🙏🏾❤️
They need to pass a law that allows law enforcement to immediately open up a missing persons report on any adult. Like when you get your license or renew it, they ask the consenting adult if you go missing can the police go ahead and assume you're missing??
This is one of the better ideas for such a thing but still I think people just assume the police have nothing going on then a case drops and they can somehow be everywhere at once investigating everyone. A quick google search will tell you that 600,000 people are reported missing annually (most found shortly after or return home and it called off) In the same time period that gabby petito was seemingly the only person anyone cared about approximately 50,000 people went missing. How many other names are you familiar with from that time period? Hindsight is always 20/20
You're ridiculous. Anyone that doesn't come home on time is now a missing person? Do you know the volume of calls they'd get? You don't think before you post.
😂The right-wing Supreme Court has given them qualified immunity and a stack of federal court rulings like Warren v District of Columbia saying cops have no legal duty to aid anyone unless they feel like it.
This case has made my brain hurt since it first happened. I don't believe she did that to herself either. That's totally bizarre and nonsensical. The police fumbled the ball BIG TIME (that's georgia for you though). I hope the truth comes out one day. RIP Debbie.
@@DocBree13 She went to the site and ate a bunch of pills. The tarp may have been used to help her inhale the gases and she accidentally spilled some on her shirt and it caught fire. Her shirt was burned off.
I swear, why do we pay police, again? Aside from petty crimes and accidents and the day-to-day small scale issue, they show themselves to be quite worthless. Especially when it comes to missing persons.
Smooth brain opinion. Of course cops are useless in solving missing persons reports, literally not their job lmao. If you owned a bar, would you have a bouncer balance your books or choose the menu? NO
Is that true or do you have a bias based on consuming content that almost exclusively highlights cases that don’t work out or where mistakes were made? 600,000 missing persons reports filed every year in the US im sure plenty of the people who do make it home have a different opinion. But I suppose you’re right we could fire them all and only hire top notch grade A detectives. The only problem is that unfortunately that would mean significantly more cases would go unsolved because there’s simply not enough police as it is so limiting it to only the elite team would mean 100-150 police per state let’s say. Now with the obvious flaw in your argument you should also remover that personal safety is a personal responsibility and at best the police are here to MAYBE punish your killer but almost never stop you from being killed.
Nobody kills themselves by lightinf themselves on fire in the woods. That's just ridiculous. She had pain meds if she wanted to kill herself she could just down 30 pills.
@@newyorker3556 it was clearly something the daughter was involved in and the mom knew this when she sent this text. She said "they aren't gonna let me go". She knew that amanda was aware who that was.
Wait - officers had no description of the vehicle or it’s plate number? I call bullshit. The daughter called in with the rental agreement, that would’ve had all the information they needed!!
It widely known most woman choose the least painful way possible. Less than 1% of all suicides are by self-immolation and the majority of those are done in protest for something. There are way to many questions for this to be ruled suicide. Why send a text stating they are not going to let me go? Why did she send money to her daughter? (first thought is she was trying to keep someone from using her bank card) Why tell her daughter where the key to the house was? (her husband would have a key to the house) Why would she strip her clothes off? Why buy toilet paper if this is your plan? Majority of self-immolation is to draw attention so why drive out to a wooded area? It is in our nature to try to end our pain as quickly as possible, so why was no accelerant used? Did Debbie ever suffer from depression? There are many many more questions that suicide just do not make sense. It almost seems like the police just wanted the case to go away.
This happened very close to my town and it was huge. Everyone local believed the daughter and her boyfriend had something to do with it.. and I believe that too because she came up with different scenarios about her mother’s death that she was offering to the police and on top of that, if her mom had enough time to text that her mom had enough time to call 911, so why wouldn’t she call 911 instead of taking the time to text her daughter? It’s definitely fishy because her mother didn’t disappear until her daughter and her daughters boyfriend moved back to Georgia from Maine.
@@kellyhill4185 I'm not buying the psychotic break theory either. Self-immolation is _extremely_ rare in the US and something really just stinks with the whole thing.
This case was so weird.. it was weird when it was developing all over the internet.. they really were HOUNDED.. the internet can be just the absolute WORST sometimes.. smh.. We really don’t have nearly enough info to make a judgment on if she did take her life.. sometimes people who seem completely “together” and genuinely happy, in love with their partner and dedicated to their kids, can’t resist the ideation when they’re having a bad moment.. & it hits everyone blindside 💔 but it does happen… I still think I see her all the time.. 😢 My heart goes out to her family and friends.. I hope they can come to some peace. Because there’s never any real understanding.. logic means nothing to your emotional health in situations like this.. been more than 20 years for my cousin making the ultimate wrong choice.. and those closest are still devastated and actively mourning.. It’s why lots of times, that act is the worst way to punish the people left behind.. & it’s never ever the right choice..
Debbie did not kill herself. There are too many unanswered questions. How could Debbie’s purse be at her house when Steve called 911 to report her missing then the purse is found at the crime scene too. Why did Debbie send that money to Amanda right before she went missing? Debbie”s sister in Alabama gave off the vibes that Amanda was not well liked by some family members. I believe Amanda had something to do with the murder. She should’ve lived in Hollywood because she is a pretty good actress. I believe it was Amanda that purchased all those items at Family Dollar which is why Debbie’s son questioned her posture I the security videos. Amanda may have a drug problem so she and her boyfriend forced Debbie to transfer that money then they killed her. Addiction is so powerful and it will make people do things they never would do if they were sober. Very poor job done as far as the investigation by the police. There is no doubt in my mind that this was not a suicide. I wish nothing but the best for the rest of Debbie’s family and friends. They deserve proper closure for peace in their hearts.
How could the woman in red in the parking lot be Debbie Collier when she walks back to a car which IS a totaly different model and color than the one which is found at the crime scene? Or is the parking lot video not available and Beyond Evil just showed us another video of that lot? The woman shopping is NOT wearing black pants whereas the one woman on the right side in the video with the red top has black pants. Is there someone else (beside her son), who noticed that?
I agree, her calling the police reminded me of Chandler halderson when he called the police about his parents. Way to many weird things about this story that need to be further investigated.
I can't imagine going through this horrible situation... My mama is my everything... I feel so bad for this family... Her poor daughter trying so hard to be calm on the phone...
That poor daughter. My heart breaks for her. I lost my sister to suicide in 2009 and that pain is something that does not go away with time, I feel it gets worse as time on because I'm trying so yto not forget her but I am forgetting and this hurts so much because once I forget, there's no one else that loved her as her little brother me.
You aren't forgetting her, you're posting here about her ❤️ you know who she is and love her and as long as you live you will love her and that love can't exist if you forget
I lost my brother to suicide in 1999. I can barely remember anything about him. I was a senior in highschool. He was my only sibling. He was 21 years old. If you block out the pain it’s only natural that you will begin to forget. I’m sorry for your loss.
@@TheregoesMerl I do watch a fair few. I don't recognise her behaviour as being suspicious. I wouldn't rule her out completely based on that phone call but she would've dropped right down my list of likely perpetrators. I'll tell you something though, it's a strange way to take your own life. I'm not convinced by the suicide conclusion.
They mention possible overdose yet she takes them for back pain. If someone wants to kill themselves they're gonna send creepy texts then light themselves on fire in the woods while naked? She could have just taken a bunch of pills.
Thank you for covering this, this case has always bothered me deeply. I hope the family starts a petition to reopen this. And what kind of suicidal person buys a pack of toilet paper before taking their own life?? This makes NO SENSE. it sounds like the daughter sent the money and text to herself...
It is a bizarre case but I do think suicide is the most likely based on the evidence presented. The video of her purchasing the tools for her own death is pretty damning. If she were someone’s captive they would never let her go alone. Also, the fact that she buys those supplies the day of the death suggests this wasn’t premeditated and a snap decision which is consistent with both suicide and mental illness. There’s no evidence of anyone else being involved and there is no motive for anyone else either that we know of. Either she was very upset about something happening at that time or she was suffering from depression or mental illness. That’s my own best take.
The 911 operator is no help at all. Amanda told her she had the rental car agreement and it could lead to GPS records. But the operator tells her she needs new information. That's valuable info and should've been taken right then from Amanda.
I still have a lot of questions and concerns about this case. The local police seemed highly incompetent and had a lack of empathy towards the family, which leads me to believe they didn't turn over every stone. I'm not sure what to think about the daughter, but the son seems like the levelheaded one of the group. I don't know, something smells.
I agree… I don’t really trust the daughter; her calls, imo, sounded desperate yes, but in a way where a suspect throws themselves into the investigation ya know? I of course could be way off…
I don’t trust her daughter because she came up with different scenarios about her mother’s death that she was offering to the police and on top of that, if her mom had enough time to text that her mom had enough time to call 911, so why wouldn’t she call 911 instead of taking the time to text her daughter? It’s definitely fishy and I don’t feel bad for the daughter because her mother didn’t disappear until her daughter and her daughters boyfriend moved back to Georgia from Maine.
The sister of Debbie gave the biggest clue. The driver that tried to convince Debbie that he wasn't driving definitely had something to do with this. -COMANCHE NATION
Set herself on fire, removed half of her own clothes and sent $2,000+ dollars to the daughter who was just happened to suggest tracking the car's GPS. She seemed a little too eager to be providing suggestions to the dispatcher, like she was trying too hard. The whole thing stinks. Nobody commits sulcide like that. Who in the hell goes and buys all that stuff, then goes and sets themselves on fire? That's about a one in a billion decision when it comes to self deletion.
And texts “they won’t let me go” before doing it. This is the most blatant conspiracy in broad daylight I think I’ve ever seen. I can’t believe this is moving on as Suicide on official narrative, I just can’t believe it.
Yeah, trying too hard. When you take into account how many run-ins with the law her and her boyfriend had and all the negative shlt the rest of the family had to say about her. Then, coupled with the way the Mom died. Her tears may have been genuine as maybe she was sad her Mom was dead. But, that doesn't mean her or her boyfriend didn't have something to do with it. That call was way fishy, given all the other info from the case.
@@TooBokoo regardless, I think we can all agree it was OBVIOUSLY not a suicide, and maybe most disconcertingly is that someone at some level in the sheriffs department knows this. Why are *they* covering this up is what I want to know. “They won’t let me go.” -her final last words.
I think it was quite clear in the 911 calls that Amanda was very worried about her mother and tried everything to help find her. That finger pointing of the neighbours is disgusting.
It’s outrageous that justice depends strictly on jurisdiction. It’s like roulette whether you get a decent investigation or some lazy idiots like poor Debbie got.
The police: She's an adult, she's allowed to go out and about without telling anyone. Call back later.
Also the police: When someone goes missing, the first 48 hours are the most crucial.
That doesn’t exactly mean what you think and kinda makes you look stupid.
Police aren’t super hero’s and they aren’t obligated to actively defend or save human life (sadly)
The whole 48 hours concept refers to the fact that most of the 600,000+ missing person cases result in the person showing up within 48 hours. So essentially without clear evidence of danger there’s no logical reason to assume someone won’t be home shortly. The text message sounds suspicious given the context we have now right? Like that must be clear evidence of a crime right? It’s basically saying that she’s about to die and has been kidnapped…
“They are not going to let me go love you there is a key to the house in the blue flowerpot by the door.”
Odd that without the bias of knowing what happened to Debbie it doesn’t say any of that or come across as explaining some panicked deadly situation at all.
This text could easily mean “hey I’m not going to be able to get off work early but the spare key to the house is in the blue flower pot” just a friendly text from mother to daughter updating her that she’s not going to be home in time and that she can let herself in. The arrogance of people in a true crime comment section is rivaled by none.
Blah blah blah I said what I said.
@@mobilegameclips5628 "they are not going to let me go" even with zero context sounds ominous. If she was at work it does not sound ominous but she was not at work the video says she was just heading out to family dollar and almost I plied she was retired
@@probrickgamer yes but thats my point all of that takes time for the cops to verify they don’t immediately know the context or if the person calling is even mentally stable and telling the truth.
@@daneen2fabulous oops sorry here I was thinking you weren’t a child. See context is everything.
She bought a tarp, only texted one child, took off some clothes & set her abdomen on fire as a suicide attempt?! None of that makes any sense! The case better still be open on this one. How devastating 😔
This was the exact same thing I was thinking. How in the world would she do that to herself? The whole thing seems off.
I knew they wete dumb in Georgia but this is beyond stupid. 😮
I total agree something isn't right
It seems like ther police were lazy, didn't take it seriously until there was a body, and then were in a hurry to pin it on somebody.
@@susanw9475 That's my thought on it, as well.
Mother committed suicide and wanted to be found in a ravine naked? ODD. People with their own homes usually do it in their house. I do hope this case is challenged.
Exactly! Also setting yourself on fire seems like an extremely hard death when she couldve just decided to OD on her meds......this conclusion is so strange
@@ms_emmms So very true. something horrific happened here.
Hey, yeah, good shout. If she had undressed herself, her clothes would have been found surely
Maybe she had a psychotic episode, which can be very random. I haven't heard any mention to where her clothes were or if they were burnt as well
This particular death was definitely suspicious and I have extreme doubts of suicide being the cause as well... however, on occasion people who have friends and family that love/care about them, they sometimes attempt to make their death look like an accident, like a car crash or falling on a hike in order to preserve their image and to also protect the emotions of those who knew them. It's sad, they will care so much about other people, but don't know how to care for themselves anymore...
Hearing Amanda’s follow up phone call was so tragic. She felt helpless and wanted to do something and felt like LEO’s weren’t doing enough.
Yeah, LEOs are useless most of the time. Sometimes even worse than that! Stop supporting pigs!
I thought she sounded totally fake.
@@VioletJoy No she didn't.
@@markjames8511 It did to me. I'm not saying she's was. She just did not sound sincere to me.
Or she was just looking to see if any of the police had information. Fishing around for some answers.
That poor daughter. Her 911 call brought tears to my eyes. She’s apologizing for being upset while her mother is missing. Damn, I can’t even imagine.
Should’ve watched the whole video before commenting…
@@MrKBone93 I watched the whole video and I feel the same way. Just because she had a drug problem and fought with her mother, doesnt mean that she didnt love her. In fact it would only make her loss more painful, knowing the hurt you caused her and your fights. I pray she is able to over come her drug problems and live with the guilt for causing her mother pain. Apparently you haven't been touched by the opioid problem , they most likely fought about that and it wouldnt surprise me if the daughter was stealing her meds.
@@primesspct2 I most certainly have been affected by the opioid epidemic. Not just with family and friends, but also personally.
@@primesspct2 But you don't even know what her doc was - for all we know it could have been Adderall, Atavan, Xanax, Meth, Crack, bath salts, morphine, fent, X, mollies, ketamine, or any number of the research chemicals out there which include heavy, heavy novel benzos. People apparently even get addicted to weed although that's the exception certainly not the rule.
I thought it sounded incredibly fake.
The most compelling thing in this tragic case is police incompetence and disdain for the citizens. As soon as they found out some members of the family had a police record they've wrapped up the case. Going from 'definitely murder' to suicide is beyond pathetic.
Then go be a cop and do work on cases. Or are you just gonna sit here and type your bullshit after watching a 25 minute video on the case?
I agree! They were horrible from the first moments to the last. They still probably wouldn’t have found her if her daughter hadn’t contacted the car rental company/Sirius XM (I assume she’s the one who did that).
I don't buy this being a suicide.
The police in Georgia are notoriously corrupt. Both the police and the Georgia bureau of investigation let Matthew Boyton get away with MURDER. They are dirty as sin.
Yeah. This whole thing is incredibly suspicious. They need a private investigator.
This one's a real chin scratcher, compared to most other cases
Agree, why would she burn her own stomach for a s**cide?
Agreed. I'm not buying the suicide thing. She set a fire on her own abdomen?? They definitely need a PI.
This just happened not long ago , super suspicious…
No need the daughter cough cough
I live in Habersham where this is happening and I was so upset hearing it ruled a suicide! The GBI has begun investigating the case now so hopefully there will finally be justice 🙏🏼❤
im just now hearing abt this case, so heartbreaking
@Abby Browitt, please keep us updated. This is soooo sad. How could they say it was suicide???? Seriously?!?! Thanks in advance.
@abbybriwitt1658 thank you! I hope they find out what really happened and hold the perpetrator (s) accountable!
Haber "Sham" is a great name for the police department there.
I definitely will keep everyone updated! The sheriff’s office here is terrible… I could give some other news on them, but this isn’t the place. I want to respect Debbie Collier’s family ❤️
As a former 911 dispatcher, I would like to advise the public that when you call the police to file a missing persons report, unless it’s a child, the only thing the police do is input all pertinent info into the NCIC (National Criminal Information Center). So this way when that person gets pulled over or gets their info run on a traffic stop it will show they are reported missing.
People seem to think that as soon as a person gets reported missing the cops all go into search mode and the entire force is out looking for that person. As you have seen at the beginning of this particular case the officer took the report and went home, the detectives weren’t even in the office and per the 911 dispatcher they are on an ‘on call’ status and weren’t even on duty.
The only time they call out everyone is if it’s a child or an adult with exigent circumstances. There’s no search party and the police don’t go searching every nook and cranny looking for your loved one. It’s just not done that way. It broke my heart listening to the daughter asking the dispatcher what she should do and what have the police been doing to find her missing mother (which was absolutely nothing). The daughter asked if she should contact a private detective, personally the one thing I’ve learned is that there are 2 things people can do to light a fire under the arse of the police….1 is to contact the media, the 2nd is to use a private detective.
The police DO NOT like having an outside party involved and/or scrutinizing their every move.
My 2 cents on this case. My condolences to the family and friends.
I usually am about to keep my composure when listening to the 911 call with the daughter and I am in pieces. That girl is trying her hardest to keep so nice and understanding. My heart goes out to her. I just want to hug her so hard.
This grammatically makes no sense
How the hell they could rule this a suicide is beyond me. Yes, Amanda--get yourself a private investigator. Thank you, Beyond Evil!
Ya noway nohow did she do this to herself...that's just crazy for them to even say that.
Anything’s possible when you’re not in your right mind. Ppl have literally shot themselves more than once. Mental health is something else
She obviously killed her self, why do you think she sent the last of her money to her daughter as she knew she was going to die, and then she bought all the stuff she was going to use to kill her self. There was also no one with her. She was only one in the van, obviously had some mental issues.
It seemed like a suicide to me. There are many cases where people commit suicide in elaborate ways in order to make it seem as if they were murdered. The fact that only the abdomen was burned and yet the woman was holding onto the tree, seems like suicide. The behaviour leading up to it is suicidal and the motive would be depression due to chronic pain. I guess you don't like with anything like that so can't imagine how death can seem like a better option.
@@CandiceGoddard She set her own self a light?
So for a suicide option, we are meant to believe that she chose the most painful and least likely to definitely kill as the option she chose? I’m no expert, but I can say with some degree of confidence that if you asked 20 people to choose between several forms of death, Fire would be among the most unpopular methods.
And a woman committing suicide would not remove her clothing before dying. They just wouldn’t do that. This is not a suicide. Sounds like small town police don’t want to work the case. I agree to look at the parolee who had the car incident with her. He would have exchanged contact information if he wanted to handle it without police involvement.
@@Goldiegirl2009 but if he was working FOR the cops selling drugs...
It's not popular but it's not unusual either.
It wouldn't be the first time someone has killed themselves by fire. There's one of these on a US crime show, I watch that many I can't remember which one. There were two or three teenage boys, found someone burning, got the police etc It's very unusual, but this person had a psychotic episode and although this women in the video, hasn't a history and most things like that happen a younger stage in life, it's not beyond possibility, but of course everything else has to be rules out first.
Yes, your comment brings to mind the jumpers in 911 when they chose to jump rather than die by fire.
I'm not too far in, but listening to her daughter on the phone with 911 just trying to find an update and still just being so sweet like she feels like she's bothering someone... ugh my heart breaks. I know that's how I would be too and it just churns my stomach. I can't even begin to imagine the panic and helplessness she must have felt.
i was thinking the same thing, bless her..absolutely awful. x
Yes my heart was sinking for her. Like they’re dropping the ball so hard.
she was being extremely polite. heartbreaking 😭
Exactly 💯
That call was brutal poor woman
They love to claim "suicide" when they don't have the manpower, funds or time to properly investigate an actual homicide. I hope the family gets a private investigator because this is very wrong and clearly a homicide. I am wishing this woman's loved ones and her family the best.
🙏🏾💛🕊💛🙏🏾
They have the funds, but can't be bothered to investigate properly
@@jackflash743 Nonchalance and Incompetence.😢
I don't know, "very clearly" is a little too certain. She COULD have done this to herself, although why remains a mystery.
@@scheezywere you born yesterday? You can’t do this to yourself if you aren’t breathing while it’s happening
@Robynn...
**12 days ago**
Recent Autopsy Reports recently released: It states that she was burnt way more than just some charring on her stomach. There was some fire damage to her windpipe, but all results indicate she was not breathing or alive when burnt.There was some fire damage to her windpipe, but all results indicate she was not breathing or alive when burnt.
Thank you for your update/ response...as I myself had more questions than answers after this report as I can imagine that so many others did too.
Wouldn't that fact: (There was some fire damage to her windpipe, but all results indicate she was not breathing or alive when burnt).
How 🤔 could she set herself alight after the fact?
Wouldn't someone else have set her alight if she was already deceased when they set fire to her? From a lack of
charring to her windpipe too?
"I'm JUST SO SO CONFUSED AS TO HOW THE POLICE HAVE COME TO THIS CONCLUSION?
And how did she get herself down to the ravine from the burn site if she was already deceased?
Cops are covering something up. This kind of negligence and carelessness. Someone is actively being protected here.
The police are either incredibly incompetent or they're trying to get Amanda and her boyfriend to slip up... bc only a drug addiction or complete idiot would think this looks like a suicide
I've been following this case since the beginning. They had another autopsy done by A very well done individual and he also agrees that it was definitely not a suicide. Which I agree. None of it makes any sense. What this poor woman went through was just terrible and I hope she gets justice because she deserves it. Being left holding onto a tree on the side of the road with your abdomen burned 60 miles from home. She could have just stayed home in bed and taken that whole bottle of pills. The truth will come out and she will get justice!! God bless her and what she endured and may she rest peacefully now❤️
If Debbie Intended to take her own life, why did she save herself from falling by clutching a branch and holding on to that branch whilst she was on Fire and even after Death. There's so much wrong with this case. R.I.P Debbie
Nothing about her case is right! I wish the FBI would have take over! She deserves justice ⚖️ ⚘️💞
when you are on fire you are in fight or flight mode no matter how suicidal you are you will try to stop the pain or use your reflexes to stop falls ect. now i dont think she killed herself but it would 100% normal for her to grab a branch while frailing around on fire.
@@cierahh1442
Maybe in " Normal "Circumstances, but this was far from Normal.
@@cierahh1442 You're right. Just last week someone jumped off the Penang Bridge and he struggled to remain afloat till he was rescued.
A friend of mine committed suicide by jumping to train tracks off a bridge. In the last seconds, he tried to crawl out of the way despite snapping both of his legs.
The human brain is a weird thing, even though you're planning on killing yourself, sometimes the instinct to survive kicks in at the last second.
Listening to the daughter on the phone with dispatch truly ripped my heart open. Amanda sounds like a loving,loyal, dedicated daughter just trying to get info about her mother. Amanda, I hope you find peace after this ordeal. You won’t find closure but hoping moving forward you find some kind of peace and normalcy considering what was done to your mother. My prayers for you and your loved ones
Have to agree with you about the phone call by daughter to dispatch. I have heard a hundred of these type of calls and unless I have lost all ability to sense a persons character....this young lady was absolutely distressed. It was unfortunate to find out the ugly past history of both she and her brother but that in itself is far from committing murder. The suicide part seems to me pretty far out there. Hope a descent investigation will finally come about. In the meantime like you mentioned...prayers for all the family members to have the strength needed to get through this difficult time.
My oldest son passed away over ten years ago and I get very angry when people talk about closure,it doesn’t exist.
You come to grips with the tragedy and move on but the hole in your heart never heals.
@@NopiusMaximus your in the same club as my mother… my little brother passed away in August of21. It’s ripped a hole in my mom’s heart that will never mend. He was ( I hate having to speak about him in the past tense) 53 years old cruising home from work when a lady travelling in the opposite direction needed to pick up her phone. My heart goes out to you and your family, may the love of your other family members help you adjust to your loss but your absolutely correct about the pain, I see it every time I visit my mother. Be strong and thank your Lord for the time your son was here and his legacy being his children or accomplishments. I’ll see to it my mom lights a candle at church in your son’s honour next week at church.
She looked absolutely STUNNING for 59.
Pass that shit to me cause you are obviously high as fuhk
“she’s an adult, she’s allowed to leave” is so crazy, as if people don’t know their own loved ones and wouldn’t know whether that’s something their loved one would ever do
While suicide is a deeply personal and private decision that others don’t understand- there are parts of this case like the recent autopsy results just released. It says she was burnt way more than just some charring on her stomach. There was some fire damage I believe to her windpipe, but all results indicate she was not breathing or alive when burnt. This is a very rare way for anyone to commit suicide, especially women. Further, most women also are not undressed when they are found. Lastly, the hydrocodone and the money..hmmm street value on those? A lot. As a long term opiate patient as the autopsy mentioned - my personal thought that 4x the normal usage is nothing that would cause a significant change for Debbie. Tolerance jumps fast, and most patients tend to overtake their meds when they’ve been on it for a while and are experiencing considerable pain. What would that be? 4 pills instead of 1 or 2. She certainly wouldn’t be inebriated unless it was mixed with another respiratory inhibitor- not to mention an older woman looking to end her life would be able to do it considerably less violent if she took all her meds. Where’s the rest of her script? Very suspicious.
The street value of that money lmao, clown
Thank you so much for sharing this information! I have really struggled to find self-immolation as a reasonable answer here but I suppose anything is possible when your mind reaches a diseased state. I work as an RN and sadly I've seen all extremes, when someone is in so much distress they may consider something horrific and drastic. That being said I also find the opioid tolerance theory to be pretty plausible like you said. Someone with chronic pain increasing their dose would not react as a sober user might. Frankly I find it hard to believe it would be enough to alter her mental state so severely AND allow her to tolerate 3rd degree burns. This story is so so horribly tragic. I hope Amanda and the family are finding peace with this however they can ❤
@@mariella2884 I value your opinion! It’s nice to be able to see a medical opinion given! While I don’t have medical training, I have a family of opiate addicts, hence my knowledge. I study as much as I can on criminology in hopes of returning and finishing my degree.
What do you think of the results showing no breakdown of the fire damage being breathed in? I thought that was strange since there is fire damage listed to I believe her windpipe. Self immolation is extreme and I agree that a desperate person will and can do extreme things, but it just doesn’t fit right. Not when she potentially could have used her whole prescription and maybe something else (I’m sure you know what I’m referring to) as an easier method. And the lack of clothing? Women just typically don’t do that.
@@mariella2884 and again, I agree. It’s horribly tragic and I can’t imagine the pain her loved ones are going through. I hope this is not swept under the rug too soon and some sort of conclusion is found. I’ve been following this case for a while.
I figured she took the pain meds to alleviate any pain she may end up feeling. She could’ve propped the log and set it on fire to where it would eventually fall on her. It’s possible she did this on her own. It’s possible she was killed. Her being in the Family Dollar store buying those items made the picture more clear to me.
I am glad you are covering this. I do not believe Debbie took her own life. Usually when someone wants to end their life they want it done fast, not in a torturous way imo. They need to reopen this case
Women are vain creatures and would not leave themselves undressed for the world to see. She did not kill herself in this vicious tortuous manner; someone else did.
They barely opened the original investigation!
If she had insurance and wanted to make sure her kids receive it, she would make it appear like a homicide rather than a suicide. Not too hard to conceive of to me.
"They are not going to let me go," says the last message she sent to her daughter, followed by a good amount of money.
Who are "they"? Could it be her mind playing tricks or drug dealers?
I need to read more about this case.
@@jakeylakey619"She [daughter] also responded to speculation that Collier may have staged a brutal crime to leave her life insurance to the family, saying her mom had no such insurance, the Independent reported." (NYP, Nov 14 2022)
You will never convince me of this being a suicide. It just doesn't make sense.
She went to the site and ate a bunch of pills. The tarp may have been used to help her inhale the gases and she accidentally spilled some on her shirt and it caught fire. Her shirt was burned off.
I tried to hold my tears while listening to Amanda you can feel her pain, her grief was real, I felt so bad for her.
I'd die if I got a text like that from my mother. So sorry to hear this awful story.
"A canine unit found her down an embankment,nude,burned and clutching a tree''. Translates to- cops too lazy to do their job. So sick of this !!! First of all, torturous way to go. Second, no woman is going to be nude if she does choose to end her life. She looks like a sweet lady and my heart breaks for her. I hope those who loved her fight for the truth.
RIP Debbie, you did not deserve this. ❤❤❤
I totally agree with you!
Praying for your family
Another very weird thing in the Family Dollar surveillance video she is buying toilet paper. Why would a person getting ready to commit suicide buy toilet paper?
Oh wow 😳💜💔🙏💕👰😇
@@goldsbymsome people theorized that she used to it to start the fire, but I don't think that's the case
I like how you pay your respects to the deceased before each case. 🙏🏾
Me too. It's Lovely
No one else does it. It shows respect.
kinda stalls the story really , maybe the end would be better
@@tankthearc9875 wtf?
I can’t believe they’re happy to leave it there as a suicide, definitely hire a private detective, so sorry for your loss this is such a tragic case 😢😢
It was a suicide. She took pills at the site and intended to use the tarp to inhale gases and kill herself. Fluid spilled on her shirt and caught fire, that's why she was naked. Her clothes were burned off. Sad all around.
See, I remember this. Everyone in the news RUclips comments was blaming the daughter without any info because she was an addict. As an addict myself (clean 3yrs) I understand the stigma, and there are people who would kill their moms to get right, but damn. At least let more
info come out first. Imagine how hard it is to stay sober after your mom has clearly been killed and people are blaming you online. It would break me! My heart breaks for her and the rest of the family. Rest In Peace
Congrats on being 3 years clean ❤️
People blamed the daughter because she was coming out with different scenarios as to why her mom was killed. On top of that if her mom had time to text that her mom should have called 911 instead of texting her daughter.
Also, the killing seemed personal
It's so heartbreaking hearing that poor daughter so devastated and just falling apart on that phone call. GOD BLESS her and her family
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It's hard to believe that she killed herself
Exactly.... but it just has me wondering about what her son mentioned regarding the lady's posture wasn't of his mom and thinks that it was someone else. 🤔 But why send the Venmo??
Not, really. She was seen nonchalantly buying all the items involved in her death.
Bc she didn't..
Did she work for the Clinton’s?
Sounds too complicated.
Not quick and easy or painless.
So... she set HERSELF on fire??? It just seems a bit unlikely.
it could have been that when she died her body came a bit close to the fire or whatever and got burnt after the fact, she might already have been dead at that point no?
I heard of people high on PCP do crazy stuff like stab themselves in the heart or light themselves on fire. But I highly doubt this woman took her own life in this way. The transfer of money to her daughter is curious. And it appears she may have been concerned about animals left alone in the home. I hope her case will be reopened and investigated again. Her family deserves answers.
No way… she went in that store , sent by the killer and they killed her…
A girl from my work wrote a suicide letter and put it in her work locker saying she felt like she was a failure in life. She seemed really happy and talkative on the staff bus to the staff car park at 3 am and then she drove her car to an empty lot. She poured petrol all over her car and herself. Got onto the floor in the back and jammed her legs in so it wouldn’t be easy for her to back out. She set herself alight. I was mortified when I first was told. Wished I knew she was so depressed and wondered how much you must hate yourself to do this kind of thing. Her happiness on the bus must of been that she knew the end was near. She was around 19 or 20. It’s hard to wrap your head around.
Exactly....
Wait--Dispatch said they had issued a BOLO- (Be On look out) for Debbie’s rental vehicle-But the officer said he’d seen the van there the day before??? Something just ain’t jiving in Georgia!!!
Hearing Amanda breaking down on that call had me crying too! 😢
If it was self inflicted, why would she have been trying to hold on to the tree??
Where did the bullet come from??
*Hey Sheriff, you would have HAD TO arrest me if I’d been the son !!
Her family should DEFINITELY hire a private investigator!
Looks like she was planning to attend that ballgame…?
Don’t forget the text that just gets conveniently ignored- “they won’t let me go” as her last words on earth.
Because the police as a organization are corrupt
The police dispatcher in this video was incredibly kind, caring and empathetic unlike so many who are rude, inept & in some cases ignorant. Kudos to this dispatcher!! Thank you Ma’am❤.
Those were some of the most frustrating 911 calls I’ve ever heard!
This is just as strange as the woman who apparently stabbed herself to death....including in her back... this case doesn't add up.
Then SET HERSELF on fire ? Yeah that’s beyond outrageous
That case drives me nuts. Someone recreated the angle of the stab wounds to the back of her head,using a woman of the same height,and she could get her arm at that angle but it was such an odd angle,she couldn't make a stabbing motion. How they could leave that as a suicide is insane to me.
They've apparently reopened this case.
They call that a Clinton suicide.
Maybe because she was trying to kill herself? The fire was too painful I guess and she changed her mind to do it different way. Take into consideration that we don't know ALL the facts, only detectives. You cannot judge based only on what you hear on true crime channels...
Bless Amanda's heart tbh. She didn't even seem mad at the dispatcher when asking about the GPS or hiring an investigator, she just wanted to know if it would help find the answers :(
What does tdh mean?
It says tbh and it means to be honest
@@mamacito1795 thank you
@@mamacito1795 ty
Honestly, I don't know this technology talk, but I'm trying to learn. My God there seems to be so much... I'm so old school I still use a flip phone for fuck sakes lol.... so.. thank you for the help.. ALL help is welcome thanks.
I remember when this happened unfortunately the county where she was found is ill equipped to handle cases like this. They should have reached out for additional resources from the start and there's absolutely no way this could have been a suicide.
The FBI was involved actually
It definitely could have been a suicide.
Absolutely weird. I can’t This might be one of and possibly the most interesting case ever.
Struggling to accept that she did this to herself.
It’s just plain bonkers ♥️
RIP Debibie ♥️
Amanda's 911 calls just break my heart. The dispatchers that talked to Amanda and Debbie's sister are frustratingly dense and ineffective. After watching a lot of videos about missing people where their loved ones call 911 to get help it's like 9 out of 10 of them have terrible dispatchers. The call from the social worker who was assigned to the children of Josh Powell might be the worst I have ever heard. 911 dispatchers around the country need a huge over hall.
Why didn't they investigate the parolee who told Debbie not to report him as the driver of the truck from which the can of paint hit her car ? He said there's a stipulation in his parole that he's not allowed to drive. Why didn't we hear everything about who that parole e is and the whereabouts of him and anyone associated with him. I don't believe the suicide conclusion for 1 second. That's the Sheriffs Dept. taking revenge on her son for criticizing them by speaking up publicly. They know it's a murder but they shut him down by showing they have all the power to investigate or close a case any way they choose. I'm still shocked we didn't hear anything at all about that parolee and if Debbie had reported him as the driver of the truck ? Did I miss that part ? Does Anyone out there know ? I seldom write a comment but the unfairness and injustice for Debbie touched me in a way to say something. I appreciate your time to read my comment. Thank you.
He wanted to shut her up so that he didn't have to go back to jail. I bet it was him. They could have exchanged info at the time of the paint incident and then planned this. Sad either way !
LOL at what happened to Debbie 🤣🤣😂😂
Hearing Amanda on the phone with the dispatcher in that desperate state really broke my heart.
something was off she knew more and wanted to get it out
U fall for that ...😄
No way this is suicide!
These police and dispatchers should be held criminally responsible. They did literally nothing but brush it off.
I really hope the GBI reopened this case! Here are so many things not right. Like why did she send all her money to her daughter and not a dime to her son? Why did she say I love you and goodbye to her daughter, and not her son? Why when they found Debbie, her pocketbook was there with her when the day she went missing her daughter found it in Debbie's bedroom? Why if she was taking her own life would she say they aren't letting me go? If I was the GBI I would check the ping of the daughters and Debbie's cell phone at the time of the text. I'd check all messages on Debbie's cell phone. Something is so very wrong with this case! 💔🌹🤔
That daughter had something to do with this.
This has to be one of the most fascinating - and sad - cases I have ever heard. I don't believe a suicidal lady would be thinking about transferring money and writing strange texts. I hope the family eventually get the right answers.
Bluey G: So very true. And no woman would burn herself while committing suicide, and so prob would no man. This theory is ridiculous.
@@fredajordan5704 Humans aren’t always logical or rational, especially if they’re high on Hydrocodone and suicidal. People do things that make no sense all the time. However, I can’t make my mind up whether she did actually commit suicide as the scene wasn’t explained properly, nor was there any mention of any other evidence like footprints, DNA in the car, proof of her being alone or with someone in the car, etc. The video does a poor job of explaining exactly what was or wasn’t at the scene, apart from the bag and a tarp.
SMS,- They won’t let me go.... body found burned.
police,- yeah it’s suicide, most def suicide.
WTF. Seriously.
No Way She did this to herself!!!
She needs justice!!!!!
Her text to her daughter: they won’t let me go
Vehicle found 60 miles away from her home.
Son not believing it was his mom in the videos.
I don’t think it was suicide either
The phone call between the daughter and the dispatch 💔💔💔 the dispatch was really kind and is only the middle man. That was heartbreaking to listen to
Thank you for adding the condolences at the beginning. All other channels don’t take the time to do so.
The raw emotion in Amanda's 911 call is crushing.
Amanda looks so different in real life compared to her social media photos. 😳
It's the makeup and hair
@@sebs30v It's the 30 extra pounds
the police seemed so unconcerned about the case in my humble opinion 😧
And they left the scene a total mess
Police might have been more concerned if she had been Muslim
I just read an article in the New York Post that said Dr Michal Baden reviewed the case, and that the autopsy showed she was burnt over 80% of her body, but that there was ZERO soot or carbon monoxide found in her airway, (despite part of her COD was from "inhalation of superheated gasses) which would indicate that, unless Collier had the ability to reanimate and set herself alight after dying from an overdose, someone else was there at the time of her death. It's also highly unlikely that whoever it was wasn't there just to be a good person.
Based on some of the ridiculous claims made by defense attorneys in court however, if/when LE ever finds a suspect and charges them, I can see a lawyer saying:
"Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I submit to you that my client made a deal to be there with Ms Collier as moral support during her "passing," so they could subsequently try their hand at crime scene analysis and crime scene cleanup, to help them decide on a career path... and if you don't believe that excuse, then he was just out hiking and came upon her remains with a note that said, my last wish is for whoever reads this note to burn my remains. Please and Thank You."
-Debbie
It's a mindf*ck, for sure. Also, what would be a fatal dose of opioids for a lot of folks, many times doesn't even phase a long term chronic pain patient. I believe the video hit the nail on the head when saying it'a very possible that though the levels of hydrocodone in Debbie's blood may have been fairly high, her having taken the drugs long term (for chronic back pain) means her tolerance was higher, and the high doses probably wouldn't have been fatal for her.
After reading your post, l am wondering if she was nodding off from an overdose, the plastic bag was on fire and she she inhaled those toxic fumes, the combination killed her, she died then fell onto the fire.But l don't understand her behaviour that led up to this. It's so sad for her and her family.I hope she is in peace.
Oh wow - thank you!
@@kookaburra586 "there was ZERO soot or carbon monoxide found in her airways"
Hearing the 911 calls is sooooo heartbreaking. This is a reminder that your tragedy is someone else's regular day 😢.
What a great, sympathetic Dispatcher
Yup. Literally couldn’t give any f*cks about it.
Very interesting case. Something seems off, however, about the finding of it being Debbie's own hands causing her death. Very strange case. Thanks for another great video!
i think it was the daughter in that video and her and friends did it
My heart breaks for poor Amanda and Jeffrey. Amanda's phone call to the dispatcher and the wavering voice she has as she tries to carry on and ask her questions...so awful.
BTW, at 7:41, Amanda says "I don't understand why the GPS on her van hasn't been tracked."
Her reaction to an adult who hasn't been heard from for a few hours is extremely hysterical.
@@kol2han I hadn't thought about that but that does raise a red flag to me now. It's like she already knew her mother was dead so she over played her role of a concerned daughter. If my mother was "missing" or not responding to me for a few hours I would definitely not be as concerned or even close to hysterical and would assume she was okay, just busy. I never believed Debbie did this to herself, even if accidental I think some circumstances would be different.
@@desireeann3734 they won't let me go and the key is under the blue flower pot. Two unrelated messages. Why doesn't she say who they are or where she is when she has time to write a message? there are too many red flags.
@@kol2hanmaybe the fact she's missing a few hours wouldn't alarm me, but the weird cryptic text messages might have raised the alarms that something was very wrong. And they weren't able to get her on the phone. This is her Mom, not a friend. They may have the type of relationship where her going MIA would be very out of the ordinary
@@kol2han extremely hysterical? That's overplaying it. She was quite upset but holding it together. I think if my mum sent me random messages and money then vanished and wasnt answering me i too would be quite upset even if I wasn't sure what had happened and even if it had only been a few minutes. Seems quite a natural reaction when it's a close loved one
The internet, media and police tore this family apart and caused so much extra stress, torment and grief when it wasn't needed. I remember, at the time, seeing a woman's youtube video about this case. Over 100,000 of her subs, and her, outright saying the daughter 'took out' her own mother! I consume true crime but that disgusted me. I remember leaving a comment saying 'You better be right about what you're accusing this young girl of doing to her mother, cos right now, if you're not, what you're doing is disgusting.' They carried on and didn't even apologise when it came out she took her own life. I feel awful for this family.
Some people are just disgusting and love to antagonize people SMH don't pay them any mind sweetheart they probably still live in their mother's basement at 40 freaking years old
If the daughter or a friend of the daughter posed as Debbie in the convenience store and Debbie was knocked out with a high dose of hydrocodone, Debbie could have been tied up and unconscious in the van while the imposter went inside to buy the items used at Debbie's demise. The daughter's boyfriend sounded so suspicious when I heard him say more than once that they were scared something similar would happen to them 'BECAUSE WE DIDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT' but the statement makes no logical sense -- and this was very early on before suspicions against them really mounted. It sounded like preemptive denial
Yeah I'm very sus
The daughter seems sus.. also her family suspectß her
I have a powerful gift of discernment and when this first happened I watched several videos on it, and I live on the TN/GA line, so I watched several news reports on it. This was not a suicide. Somebody shot her, thought she was dead, wrapped her in the tarp, then threw her face down on the fire. Once the fire burned through the tarp and started burning her, the pain woke her up. The tarp had burned enough for her to be able to get out of it. After that there are 3 scenarios that would explain how she ended up down the bank holding a tree in her hand. The perp(s )could have still been there and either she fought and got tossed down, or she jumped up and ran in a panic, probably looking back at the perp(s) and fell down it as a result. If the perp(s) had already left she could have been disoriented and/or confused, on top of being in a state of panic. She may have broke into a run as she came up out of the fire, and in her state of mind fell down it. She tumbled down the hill regardless of which of those is correct, and was still alive when she came to a stop. She either grabbed the tree trying to get up and died from her injuries, or the perp(s) saw she was still alive and went down to finish her off. If she was asphyxiated; then she most likely would have been reaching for anything that might help her get away. She grab the tree and tried pulling away as she died.
I remember this , I live in Athens (born and raised) the store she was last at isn’t far from where I live at all , but I didn’t know about this until a couple days later …. Athens isn’t really big like people seem to think so her story was spreading like a wildfire and of course different stories were told . It just makes no sense at all , especially w/ the circumstances . It’s sad and they’re in my prayers . 💔💔
I wasn’t expecting that end.
That poor woman - and her poor family!
You are by far one of my favorite crime content RUclips channels!!!
Your voice is great and I like how you give condolences to the victims and loved ones.
Thank you Beyond Evil!!
MrBallen > All other true crime channels & podcasts. Haha but yeah this is top 5 for sure.
@@MacBobby1408 says (her) favourite man. You go take your huge iq over the ballen, he’s good with kids
I agree
By giving regards to the family and the deceased, it stops the True Crime Community from Exploiting tragedies.
Omg... I burst out crying listening to Amanda's desperate and so sad call. I could feel her broken heart. Her Mom wasn't there to comfort her pain and loss. Poor baby. All my prayers to the family.
Her poor daughter. It breaks my heart to hear her try to speak. You can hear the fear, worry, love, hurt, and the complete despair
I am listening to this with headphones for the first time. New respect for the subtle music behind the 911 call. As if these calls needed to be more dramatic, Well done, sounds great!
This dispatcher needed to be humbled for sure
No way was this suicide … THATS RIDICULOUS!!!?!!
If anyone from the family see this .. I beg you to get another opinion!…. And I wish you all… all the VERY best moving forward…
But too many things just don’t add up… I’m just amazed…. ❤
RIP Debbie… you deserve true justice…❤
May someday soon a smart & committed, detective comes along & finds the answers to all the questions surrounding this tragedy, God bless Debbie & all her family.
I remember this case so well, and was looking forward to finding out who really killed her. I was shocked when they ruled it a suicide, and almost as shocked to hear that conclusion hadn’t changed. There’s no way she killed herself like that.
How terribly sad for all family involved . This is tragic. May Debbie be in peace with God our Father
God is our creator not our “father “
This will be one of those cases where someone comes forward years later with the truth. Suicide is a crazy cause of death. I think maybe she was held at gunpoint or something but to do all this to urself while naked is insane. Too many unanswered questions for me. R.I.P to Mrs Debbie 🙏🏾❤️
It’s a *lazy* cause of death. Pathetically, incompetently lazy.
They need to pass a law that allows law enforcement to immediately open up a missing persons report on any adult. Like when you get your license or renew it, they ask the consenting adult if you go missing can the police go ahead and assume you're missing??
This is one of the better ideas for such a thing but still I think people just assume the police have nothing going on then a case drops and they can somehow be everywhere at once investigating everyone. A quick google search will tell you that 600,000 people are reported missing annually (most found shortly after or return home and it called off)
In the same time period that gabby petito was seemingly the only person anyone cared about approximately 50,000 people went missing. How many other names are you familiar with from that time period?
Hindsight is always 20/20
They do? I've never been asked that.
You're ridiculous. Anyone that doesn't come home on time is now a missing person? Do you know the volume of calls they'd get?
You don't think before you post.
@@DrJ-hx7wv can't please everyone, you are the first person out of many to react negatively.
😂The right-wing Supreme Court has given them qualified immunity and a stack of federal court rulings like Warren v District of Columbia saying cops have no legal duty to aid anyone unless they feel like it.
the phone daughter's call is heart breaking 😢😢😢😢😢😢
This case has made my brain hurt since it first happened. I don't believe she did that to herself either. That's totally bizarre and nonsensical. The police fumbled the ball BIG TIME (that's georgia for you though). I hope the truth comes out one day. RIP Debbie.
Agreed!
@@DocBree13 She went to the site and ate a bunch of pills. The tarp may have been used to help her inhale the gases and she accidentally spilled some on her shirt and it caught fire. Her shirt was burned off.
I swear, why do we pay police, again? Aside from petty crimes and accidents and the day-to-day small scale issue, they show themselves to be quite worthless. Especially when it comes to missing persons.
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Smooth brain opinion. Of course cops are useless in solving missing persons reports, literally not their job lmao. If you owned a bar, would you have a bouncer balance your books or choose the menu? NO
Is that true or do you have a bias based on consuming content that almost exclusively highlights cases that don’t work out or where mistakes were made?
600,000 missing persons reports filed every year in the US im sure plenty of the people who do make it home have a different opinion.
But I suppose you’re right we could fire them all and only hire top notch grade A detectives. The only problem is that unfortunately that would mean significantly more cases would go unsolved because there’s simply not enough police as it is so limiting it to only the elite team would mean 100-150 police per state let’s say.
Now with the obvious flaw in your argument you should also remover that personal safety is a personal responsibility and at best the police are here to MAYBE punish your killer but almost never stop you from being killed.
Suicide?! I just can’t bring myself to believe that
It’s got to be the daughter she wasn’t close with her mom and she sends the money to her instead of her son daughter looks really suspicious rn
Nobody kills themselves by lightinf themselves on fire in the woods. That's just ridiculous. She had pain meds if she wanted to kill herself she could just down 30 pills.
@@newyorker3556 it was clearly something the daughter was involved in and the mom knew this when she sent this text. She said "they aren't gonna let me go". She knew that amanda was aware who that was.
like why would she light herself on fire, the most brutal and torturous way to die ?!
@@newyorker3556 what makes you say they weren’t close? The son said the daughter was the mother’s lifeline, that sounds pretty close to me.
Wait - officers had no description of the vehicle or it’s plate number? I call bullshit. The daughter called in with the rental agreement, that would’ve had all the information they needed!!
It widely known most woman choose the least painful way possible. Less than 1% of all suicides are by self-immolation and the majority of those are done in protest for something. There are way to many questions for this to be ruled suicide.
Why send a text stating they are not going to let me go?
Why did she send money to her daughter? (first thought is she was trying to keep someone from using her bank card)
Why tell her daughter where the key to the house was? (her husband would have a key to the house)
Why would she strip her clothes off?
Why buy toilet paper if this is your plan?
Majority of self-immolation is to draw attention so why drive out to a wooded area?
It is in our nature to try to end our pain as quickly as possible, so why was no accelerant used?
Did Debbie ever suffer from depression?
There are many many more questions that suicide just do not make sense. It almost seems like the police just wanted the case to go away.
This happened very close to my town and it was huge. Everyone local believed the daughter and her boyfriend had something to do with it.. and I believe that too because she came up with different scenarios about her mother’s death that she was offering to the police and on top of that, if her mom had enough time to text that her mom had enough time to call 911, so why wouldn’t she call 911 instead of taking the time to text her daughter? It’s definitely fishy because her mother didn’t disappear until her daughter and her daughters boyfriend moved back to Georgia from Maine.
This wasn't a suicide.
You’re right, the evidence doesn’t fit together. People who commit suicide generally don’t burn their own bodies
Right! So she burned herself and then dumped her own naked body? That’s ridiculous I agree with u 💯
@@kellyhill4185 I'm not buying the psychotic break theory either. Self-immolation is _extremely_ rare in the US and something really just stinks with the whole thing.
This case was so weird.. it was weird when it was developing all over the internet.. they really were HOUNDED.. the internet can be just the absolute WORST sometimes.. smh..
We really don’t have nearly enough info to make a judgment on if she did take her life.. sometimes people who seem completely “together” and genuinely happy, in love with their partner and dedicated to their kids, can’t resist the ideation when they’re having a bad moment.. & it hits everyone blindside 💔 but it does happen…
I still think I see her all the time.. 😢
My heart goes out to her family and friends.. I hope they can come to some peace. Because there’s never any real understanding.. logic means nothing to your emotional health in situations like this.. been more than 20 years for my cousin making the ultimate wrong choice.. and those closest are still devastated and actively mourning..
It’s why lots of times, that act is the worst way to punish the people left behind.. & it’s never ever the right choice..
Debbie did not kill herself. There are too many unanswered questions. How could Debbie’s purse be at her house when Steve called 911 to report her missing then the purse is found at the crime scene too. Why did Debbie send that money to Amanda right before she went missing? Debbie”s sister in Alabama gave off the vibes that Amanda was not well liked by some family members. I believe Amanda had something to do with the murder. She should’ve lived in Hollywood because she is a pretty good actress. I believe it was Amanda that purchased all those items at Family Dollar which is why Debbie’s son questioned her posture I the security videos. Amanda may have a drug problem so she and her boyfriend forced Debbie to transfer that money then they killed her. Addiction is so powerful and it will make people do things they never would do if they were sober. Very poor job done as far as the investigation by the police. There is no doubt in my mind that this was not a suicide. I wish nothing but the best for the rest of Debbie’s family and friends. They deserve proper closure for peace in their hearts.
I love your Rottweiler!
Me too and she was calling to find out info to see what the cops knew.
Same.
How could the woman in red in the parking lot be Debbie Collier when she walks back to a car which IS a totaly different model and color than the one which is found at the crime scene? Or is the parking lot video not available and Beyond Evil just showed us another video of that lot? The woman shopping is NOT wearing black pants whereas the one woman on the right side in the video with the red top has black pants. Is there someone else (beside her son), who noticed that?
I agree, her calling the police reminded me of Chandler halderson when he called the police about his parents. Way to many weird things about this story that need to be further investigated.
I can't imagine going through this horrible situation... My mama is my everything... I feel so bad for this family... Her poor daughter trying so hard to be calm on the phone...
that call is heartbreaking
also, good for sirius for stepping up to help
That poor daughter. My heart breaks for her. I lost my sister to suicide in 2009 and that pain is something that does not go away with time, I feel it gets worse as time on because I'm trying so yto not forget her but I am forgetting and this hurts so much because once I forget, there's no one else that loved her as her little brother me.
❤️ condolences my friend.
You aren't forgetting her, you're posting here about her ❤️ you know who she is and love her and as long as you live you will love her and that love can't exist if you forget
They are never forgotten ❤
I lost my sister to suicide too, so I empathize fully with you. The pain has not departed after 45 years.....
I lost my brother to suicide in 1999. I can barely remember anything about him. I was a senior in highschool. He was my only sibling. He was 21 years old. If you block out the pain it’s only natural that you will begin to forget. I’m sorry for your loss.
That was genuine grief from Amanda on the phone. If she had anything to do with it, she couldn't have acted like that.
Are you kidding me?? You obviously don't watch true crime stories to know what these murderers are capable of.
@@TheregoesMerl I do watch a fair few. I don't recognise her behaviour as being suspicious. I wouldn't rule her out completely based on that phone call but she would've dropped right down my list of likely perpetrators. I'll tell you something though, it's a strange way to take your own life. I'm not convinced by the suicide conclusion.
Really? We going with self inflicted? 🤨
They mention possible overdose yet she takes them for back pain. If someone wants to kill themselves they're gonna send creepy texts then light themselves on fire in the woods while naked? She could have just taken a bunch of pills.
Don't think so.
Thank you for covering this, this case has always bothered me deeply. I hope the family starts a petition to reopen this. And what kind of suicidal person buys a pack of toilet paper before taking their own life?? This makes NO SENSE. it sounds like the daughter sent the money and text to herself...
The daughters phone call was heartbreaking
It is a bizarre case but I do think suicide is the most likely based on the evidence presented. The video of her purchasing the tools for her own death is pretty damning. If she were someone’s captive they would never let her go alone. Also, the fact that she buys those supplies the day of the death suggests this wasn’t premeditated and a snap decision which is consistent with both suicide and mental illness. There’s no evidence of anyone else being involved and there is no motive for anyone else either that we know of. Either she was very upset about something happening at that time or she was suffering from depression or mental illness. That’s my own best take.
The 911 operator is no help at all. Amanda told her she had the rental car agreement and it could lead to GPS records. But the operator tells her she needs new information. That's valuable info and should've been taken right then from Amanda.
I still have a lot of questions and concerns about this case. The local police seemed highly incompetent and had a lack of empathy towards the family, which leads me to believe they didn't turn over every stone. I'm not sure what to think about the daughter, but the son seems like the levelheaded one of the group. I don't know, something smells.
I agree… I don’t really trust the daughter; her calls, imo, sounded desperate yes, but in a way where a suspect throws themselves into the investigation ya know? I of course could be way off…
I don’t trust her daughter because she came up with different scenarios about her mother’s death that she was offering to the police and on top of that, if her mom had enough time to text that her mom had enough time to call 911, so why wouldn’t she call 911 instead of taking the time to text her daughter? It’s definitely fishy and I don’t feel bad for the daughter because her mother didn’t disappear until her daughter and her daughters boyfriend moved back to Georgia from Maine.
Stop it. Why the fuck would you have concerns?
@TheThora17 You don't fucking know the daughter. Why would you fucking even think that any of you know anything? Youre pathetic, stop it.
It sounds like the sheriff's office was annoyed at her family and just got rid of the case. It was obviously not suicide.
People need to learn to not get on "social media" to broadcast everything going on in their lives.
The sister of Debbie gave the biggest clue.
The driver that tried to convince Debbie that he wasn't driving definitely had something to do with this.
-COMANCHE NATION
She's almost 60 and is so beautiful...
With a pfp like that it checks out that you would think that
What's a pfp?
@@chantelletrembath3345 (p)ro(f)ile (p)icture
@@aggrogator4045 thanks lol. In that case, that was a pretty mean comment
Set herself on fire, removed half of her own clothes and sent $2,000+ dollars to the daughter who was just happened to suggest tracking the car's GPS. She seemed a little too eager to be providing suggestions to the dispatcher, like she was trying too hard. The whole thing stinks. Nobody commits sulcide like that. Who in the hell goes and buys all that stuff, then goes and sets themselves on fire? That's about a one in a billion decision when it comes to self deletion.
And texts “they won’t let me go” before doing it.
This is the most blatant conspiracy in broad daylight I think I’ve ever seen. I can’t believe this is moving on as Suicide on official narrative, I just can’t believe it.
Trying too hard to provide info on her missing mother? You can tell by that phone call that she was devastated.
Yeah, trying too hard. When you take into account how many run-ins with the law her and her boyfriend had and all the negative shlt the rest of the family had to say about her. Then, coupled with the way the Mom died. Her tears may have been genuine as maybe she was sad her Mom was dead. But, that doesn't mean her or her boyfriend didn't have something to do with it. That call was way fishy, given all the other info from the case.
@@TooBokoo regardless, I think we can all agree it was OBVIOUSLY not a suicide, and maybe most disconcertingly is that someone at some level in the sheriffs department knows this. Why are *they* covering this up is what I want to know.
“They won’t let me go.”
-her final last words.
@@MattCarvin Couldn't agree more.
I think it was quite clear in the 911 calls that Amanda was very worried about her mother and tried everything to help find her. That finger pointing of the neighbours is disgusting.
It’s outrageous that justice depends strictly on jurisdiction. It’s like roulette whether you get a decent investigation or some lazy idiots like poor Debbie got.