MOTORCYCLE ARMOUR is it worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2024
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In response to recent videos seen online by Fortnine and Bennetts BikeSocial, this seems to be a debated topic that perhaps shouldn't need a debate?
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I started riding back in the mid eighties when there was only leathers and no laws about helmets here in the States but the leather riding jacket I've had since 2007 does have some at the elbows and shoulders, good heavy leather from a company named bullet pruff and like I said I've had it for almost twenty years so it's damn well made .
I've been following this issue. I was shocked when Fortnine released the vid about armour, it was so untypical of his usual approach. I have followed his channel for a long time and found his comments/points of view considered and worthy of consideration. However, I was totally taken aback by the tack he took on the issue of MC armour. I do wonder if he was making the point that we should be getting better armour than we do, he did make the point that some manufacturers may well , for reasons of cost, err to the bare minimum standard that applies in the country/region of sale, which may well be a valid point I would feel naked without my armour and thankfully I have not had the occasion to experience how useful or not it might be, I ride like a wimp :) Anyhoo, I do wonder if his channel will follow up on this issue, I doubt he can be unaware of the level of discussion he has elicited. Enjoy your channel, keep up the good work and as you say "ride safe" :)
You seem to have missed the part in Ryan's video where he suggests we should all be considering replacing old fashioned armour with modern and far safer airbag technology? Ryan is clearly advocating for the wearing of greater levels of protection which is why he no longer uses his armour. The airbag makes it redundant.
In all honesty, when he put out the video it rubbed me so far up the wrong way that I unsubscribed almost immediately after it. I thought the whole video was so misguided and he should have seriously considered the sheer amount of influence he has on that amount of people. I had a bad spill a few years back, the Armour saved my shin but more importantly, my knee. Please DO NOT stop wearing armour
You seem to have missed the part in Ryan's video where he suggests we should all be considering replacing old fashioned armour with modern and far safer airbag technology? Ryan is clearly advocating for the wearing of greater levels of protection which is why he no longer uses his armour as his airbag makes it redundant. I suggest you rewatch his video because you clearly missed the very important message he was delivering to the riding community.
@@MTBrider26 oh I’m definitely not missing that part in his video lol. Where he mentions the expensive armour he sells.
@@Hugh-S Fortnine is the largest online motorcycle parts/accessory company in Canada and you are upset and offended that they are trying to sell you something with their videos? Really.
@@MTBrider26 I really couldn't give a flying rat's arse if he's the largest seller of frilly pink dresses m8 lol... I'm offended that some misguided person with nearly 2 million subscribers may cause some quite serious harm due to his misguided video. You have a wonderful day MTBrider26.
@@Hugh-S I must have missed how recommending the latest safety tech i.e rider airbags, puts people at risk. Quite the opposite really wouldn't you 🤔. But hey you do you.
I think one of the problems with Ryan’s video was that it was a case of style over substance. Most of the comments I initially saw were regarding the way it was shot and I would suggest many missed the actual message which appeared to be advocating superior armour and being critical of current CE standards.
The thing is if you are mandating higher safety standards for motorcycle kit when in the Uk at least, all we have to legally wear is a helmet and something not to offend public decency, there is no point in mandating to manufacturers a level of protective kit if people choose not to wear it. We all make a trade off between cost, protection and comfort (dare I say style) in what we wear on a motorcycle. We may have AAA or level 2 gear in the wardrobe but it’s no use if we don’t wear it when we pop down to the shops because it’s bulky, too hot, chaffs the neck etc. I am sure at some point most of us have stayed in our Levi’s to run the bike round the block rather than get into our AAA hood jeans. The current standards may not be good enough in Ryan’s opinion, but at least in the main it’s comfortable enough that most of us will wear it without it being a pain. People will argue that higher safety standards does not necessarily mean discomfort or higher cost but that’s the perception. The important thing is if/when we hit the deck we are wearing some armour whether its level 1, level 2 or let’s face it, a folded newspaper. Anything is better than nothing.
I have watched both videos. I can see Ryan's point about the specifications being a lot about protecting European manufacturers but as you say at no point does he make it clear that any armour is better than no armour. I have bounced down the road a few times and while on one occasion I still broke a collar bone on other occasions my jacket knees/elbows have been wrecked but the armour prevented any damage to my precious hide.
You seem to have missed the part in Ryan's video where he suggests we should all be considering replacing old fashioned armour with modern and far safer airbag technology? Ryan is clearly advocating for the wearing of greater levels of protection which is why he no longer uses his armour. The airbag makes it redundant.
@@MTBrider26 That makes a point though, doesn't it? I picked up that he wore an airvest but not that that was a reason for not wearing armour. Besides if you take that message and miss the bit about using higher grade armour than a lot of people are going to be stuck since airvests are not cheap. Neither do they protect hips and knees at all. To be clear, as a well offish pensioner I use armour (L2) an airvest!
@@13thearl I agree with you. It was a 6 minute video to explain the limitations of current armour ratings and what is better. He also mentioned and showed there is far better armour that he wears on track days and the airbag he uses for everything else. I don't see how anyone could watch that video and the think that removing pads from areas the airbags don't protect is a good idea. But I suppose they do have to put warnings on car batteries not to drink the contents so I could be wrong. You can also get leg and hip airbag systems now as well that sit dormant inside pockets in the pants. As for cost. They are expensive but expense is relative isn't it. Just look at the cost of that fancy new must have carbon exhaust and I will show you someone who will probably say airbags are too expensive although the exhaust costs as much or more than something that could save their life.
I ride off road, and I have never had an injury aside from a bruise, where I am armoured. Where I am un armoured, I have had many painful wounds from stick, stones, bike, etc.
Cool intro Mark! That’s new for 2024 & beyond? Smart & flashy🔥👌
This issue is always front of mind in the Algarve, where I live. On a hot day there's always a temptation to hop on your bike for a quick spin in a t-shirt, not least because it's roasting in protective gear - even Segura jackets with the holes. But I've noticed that all the biking pros out here, and there's a lot of them with multiple bikes, they'll always have protective gear on. Always. That's been a lesson for me...
Every rider has their own opinion on safety gear, but the one thing I absolutely know is, There is no easy way of coming off on the road !
If you choose to ride in shorts and thongs, don’t whinge when you’re toes and arse cheeks are removed in 20 seconds of sliding and remember always sliding into a gutter is the best fun you’ll ever have
I reckon body armour should cover a greater area. If they weren't so expensive, even before import duty, I'd buy a made-to-measure one-piece kevlar mesh suit from American company Motoport. I am not affiliated. Nick
I've been riding since 1968 and have had a few off's in that time, all with good quality unarmoured ride gear. And walked away with just bruises, was I just lucky?
Now I do have armoured riding gear which hasn't been put to the test. But I do find it not very comfortable and restrictive. This is just my personal experience in 56 years of riding and racing. 👍
Thanks for posting this. I’m glad to see some pushback on the Fortnine video. The channel’s influence has grown to the point where they need to think about what they’re saying, and not make edgy clickbait so they can clean up on the views. It’s interesting that American RUclips channel Spite’s Corner (former Yammie Noob employee) made a video on this subject a few months ago. He spoke on the massive influence of the Fortnine channel, and warned people to make their own calculated judgements, and not accept anyone as a final authority. In retrospect, his warning was very wise…
I thought it was an April fool’s joke. After falling off my bicycle last week at slow speed and breaking my hip, I will wear armour on motorcycles and pedal cycle if it is available
The biggest reason I wear armour isn’t breakages its soft tissue gravel rash damage… great vid and well stated, people can make up their own minds but remember choices have consequences and thats your responsibility…..
Good advice, thanks for the video
Hi, I agree with you have been in two craches with a bike so I now it will save you! ❤😊
Really helpful thanks man
I think we all like Ryan's, FortNine videos, but he clearly got this one wrong. As you said, with such a large amount of subscribers, it was always going to get a lot of criticism.
One of the big problems with the slot in armour- for me, anyway - is the fact that it can fall out of the pockets that it fits into. A lot of the pockets are upside down ( in jeans, anyway ) and the only thing that keeps the armour in place is a bit of velcro. I prefer the jeans that have the armour in a pocket on the outside. Unfortunately, generally, the problem with this type is that they look a bit naff.
How is he wrong by showing why we should all be considering replacing old fashioned armour with modern and far safer airbag technology? Ryan is clearly advocating for the wearing of greater levels of protection.
…because his message has obviously missed the mark with many. If you are going to make a video to convey a message, it needs to be clear enough to hit home with the majority of your audience.
Well said Mark .👍
Common sense, well said…
I wan't the Batman armour 😛
not joke. they sell it in the USA 😀
And AliExpress.
It would be so nice if just for once we could have a sensible video of a rolls Royce without the usual pratt presenter thinking he has to do the naff posh voice ,look down on fellow motorists while driving it ,and the equally, oh no not again classical music accompaniment, boring , just need a sensible and knowledgeable presenter telling us details of the car ect without the crap impersonation of bertie Wooster,
The guy is a nob head, some armor is better than no armor simple logic.
Why does advocating replacing old fashioned armour with modern and far safer airbag tech make him a 'nob head'.
Why did you completely fail to mention that Ryan specifically stated in his video that whenever he rides instead of armour he chooses to wear his Helite airbag backpack for the greater safety airbags offer?? Does not the wearing of an airbag as he is espousing make your falling onto a stone and injuring your spine analogy completely redundant and thereby the entirety of your video likewise?
Erm....noooo, The concept of falling onto a rock was one scenario example (I'm sure you are aware that other parts can impact and scrape along the ground too). It is a minor occurrence and just one of the things I mentioned, certainly not the only thing as you hint towards. An airbag jacket is between £130 for some Amazon special and £600. A lot of people cannot afford those; however most bike jackets already come with armour, a lot with back armour also and if not , level 2 back armour is around £30-£40. Furthermore, he talks about removing all armour...or certainly isn't clear about it so legs, knees, hips where the armour goes would clearly have zero protection with an airbag backpack. Coming on to your backpack, elbows would also get no protection. If one falls from ones motorcycle, arms often as an instinct go out, hitting and thusly scraping the ground, protrusions such as elbows would have zero protection other than the jacket. It seems your comment was meant to try and show me up....didn't work as you didn't really think it through.
@@motorsforthemasses you don't need me to 'show you up' as you say. I asked a perfectly legitimate question of someone who holds themself out to it to be a journalist or influencer if you prefer. The question was and which you never answered why did you fail to mention anything at all about Ryan saying he has replaced his armour with an airbag? It's all about choice really isn't it. You can wear an airbag or pads, or both. Just like you can choose to wear a backpack airbag along with knee, elbow and hip protection. Please don't try to muddy the water of your original premise by introducing a straw man argument about cost. Neither Fortnine nor your video was about what is best on a budget. If you want the best you buy an airbag to ride in. You even stated that you upgrade all your armour to higher quality products than you were provided as standard in the kit you have purchased at no small expense. That is a cost you that you choose to make. Which supports Ryan's premise and to which you clearly agree i.e that a lot of OEM armour is subpar. He goes one step further than you doesn't bother upgrading armour he did the ultimate upgrade to an airbag. And he chose smartly and chose a backpack style that he can wear with any jacket. You could too if you chose to. That's really the crux though isn't it? Choice. Ryan just gave options and facts to allow the adults in the room to make up their own minds about the price they put on their own safety. As they say if you think you have a $10 head buy yourself a $10 helmet. I don't have an airbag but Ryan's video has got me seriously thinking about buying one. Wasn't that really the point?
@MTBrider26 The point is a channel with such an influence posting a video entitled "Why I stopped wearing motorcycle armour" is in the majority of people's minds a very bad choice. Yet again, an airbag jacket only covers the back and offers no protection to the rest of the body. You offer insult in an attempt to belittle but it is an empty attempt. Budget for most people is a clear barrier. So many especially younger, newer riders often have budgeted choice. £130 jacket that offers protection to back, shoulders, elbows if I slide down the road or (even the cheapest) £130 backpack on top of a jacket cost that only covers the back....As for your comment on armour quality. I upgraded the armour I had yes for better comfort but that isn't saying remove all armour from your jacket and trousers and just use 1 item that only covers your back. You seem to be arguing for arguments sake and I'm not sure why. You seem to be being very literal and not seeing the ability to assume budget is a very real hurdle for many people....it shouldn't need saying. Thankfully it seems your views are amongst the tiniest minority, you do you.
@@motorsforthemasses you say I insulted you. How exactly did I do that? I questioned your omission of facts to which you still haven't answered despite a copious amount of words. Feelings don't trump facts. Just because you feel you have been insulted doesn't actually mean you have been. Feelings have no place in a discussion on rider safety. While on the topic of facts your last comment is devoid of them with respect to how much protection a Helite airbag backpack provides. Even a quick Google search to the companies website would have let you establish actual facts on the topic. You stated that only the riders back is protected. This is clearly wrong and even the smallest amount of research on your behalf would have shown that. The backpack actually provides protection to the wearer's full back, neck, chest and stomach areas. It deploys to both the front and back and offers protection to those areas far great than any pads. Those are actual facts. Not opinions or feelings. So are you now going to hold yourself the the same standard you are attempting to hold Fortnine to and apologise for using your platform to spread misinformation? I mean someone could read your post and decide against buying a Helite based on the incorrect information you have provided.
@MTBrider26 Do you work for Helite or just have a hardon for them? You talk about clickbait and misinformation which is exactly what fortnines video is about and the title suggests. You are being really weird.
Common sense would say if you are sliding down the road it is better to be sliding on something other than your skin, so something with good abrasion resistance might come in handy. BUT the vast majority of the world who ride around on bikes don't in general wear much protection, even helmets are optional in counties with more motorcycles than have ever been ridden here in the UK. Risk must always be balanced against, affordability, comfort and practicality. It is a personal choice and depends a lot on how and where you ride and should remain so. Sure there are plenty of horror stories, if they bother you suit up to the eyeballs. I'm old enough to have ridden without a helmet in Spain, but I sure feel naked without one now. Those who will not even start their bike without head to toe protection, fine that is their choice. I would really hate to see armour become compulsory if those preaching for it should encourage further legislation.
You seem to have missed the part in Ryan's video where he suggests we should all be considering replacing old fashioned armour with modern and far safer airbag technology? Ryan is clearly advocating for the wearing of greater levels of protection which is why he no longer uses his armour. The airbag makes it redundant and i would rather slide or hit a car with a fully inflated airbag than a few pieces of foam armour any day of the week.