The Hidden Challenges of Buying a Dream Property in Portugal: A Turn for the Worst? | S5/E5
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In this video, we’re back at the enchanting old sawmill in Portugal, but things take a surprising turn as we uncover the hidden challenges of making this magical place our own. 🏡✨ We’ve brought along a professional broker to guide us through the lesser-known regulations that could make or break our dream of turning this historic property into an off-grid paradise.
As we delve into the complexities of REN (National Ecological Reserve) and RAN (National Agricultural Reserve) regulations, we discover that buying property in Portugal isn’t as straightforward as it seems. These rules are designed to protect the natural beauty and agricultural value of the land, but they also come with restrictions that every potential buyer needs to know.
🔹 In this video, you’ll learn:
The surprising challenges we didn’t expect when considering this property.
How REN and RAN regulations could impact our plans for development.
What you need to know before buying land in Portugal’s most protected areas.
Our evolving vision and the obstacles we’ll need to overcome to make it a reality.
Is this dream property in Portugal too good to be true, or can we navigate these hidden challenges to create the life we’ve envisioned? Join us as we explore the realities behind the beauty, and find out what it really takes to make this magical place our own.
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James, seek out a land use attorney in Porto who is well connected to get some guidance. I hope you figure it out.
Yes get a good lawyer it's worth effort!
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Listen to the Portuguese, be aware of terrible bureaucracy, talk to the heart of your wife, think of your child growing up in the middle of nowhere, the noise day and night, and don't forget the humidity all year around! How do you get skilled workers several years at that spot. There are many more interesting places for sale in Portugal, with good soil and sun to live off grid.
Good luck with your search.
Greetings from a Dutchman living 18 years in Portugal.
James to convert this to a restaurant/air bb, you will need a massive budget1/5 million and the patience of jobe. bureaucracy here in Portugal is a nightmare and moves at a snails pace. keep looking.. there is a reason that this is still for sale.
Big bucks to turn this place around...a couple million euros sounds right...a very talented architect is needed too.
No banks will agree to finance that type of venture.... Simply because it is too much off the beaten path.
Forget it. The current process to legalize it would daunting. It is a shame that our country don't allow such investment.
So sad that you may be right... We'll see.
Don’t loose your money you can find beautiful places like this in America you just have to look
@@meandmybuddy964Maybe, but there are other things to consider, like cost of living, school’s , affordable medical care etc. Portugal would also be on my short list. Especially near Porto.
Yes, that and the fact He said they didn't want to live in America @maartenvanrossen6138
@thelastpirate don't loose the spirit.. Portugal is a funny country.. one law for the whole country but each municipality will interpret it differently.. so one area its impossible but another municipal area they will encourage it.. You need to be strong and keep digging.. but dont listen to anyone on fB or YT.. only a local lawyer connected to the local Camara will give you the right advice.
Just to even consider purchase of a property like this , iis crazy, it is a Total Money Pit
Check the sun position during different times of the year. Down in the river canyon could mean for a sunless and cold winter. In my opinion frog perspective properties will get to you after a while. Looking up gets tiring.😊
Yes that's definitely on our minds as well. Thanks for the input.
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Dude don't give up. This is youtube gold!!!! I would never stop watching the restoration vida omg you have to do thisn5 years who cares you mean you live life and 5 years later make even more money 😅 dude you won't find that anywhere again and not firsthand price. Dude where's sign up to come help and visit?! Free power free water free money Def don't listen to the idiots saying no! Lol youtube gold my man and kids raised in that place luckiest kids in the world. Good luck you got this 👍
Hello! Im Portuguese and I also work in Real Estate. Bureaucracy is a problem in Portugal but you can work around it and get this speed up. I advise you to get a arquitect who has good connections ("friends") in the nearest city hall, that can help a lot . Lawyers can also help but if you're going to work with an arquitect to do the project he will do his best to help and advise you of all bureaucracy and what you can do in terms of legislation or even find ways to go around it. Its all about having the right people with the best contatcs in that área. I work in real estate and I can tell you that has a LOT of potencial and It seems a good deal if its around 300k. Hotel/spa/resort/BAr/Restaurant... Thats a hiden gem. Best Luck
Sadly majority of the global population has no clue about the global economic collapse- there is no money to bank on
@@MiguelFerreira-dc8bv This would really be a long term investment with a lot of issues, not sure this sailor is prepared to fork out the amount of cash needed to make this project a viable reality. Talk about a boat project here, way cheaper to have a 50 something foot cat built to modern specs and stick to what you know. Hopefully sense will prevail!
Watch Mr and Ms Adventure, they have done exactly this with a water mill in Portugal.
They give great advice of this process. It is a long one but worth it.
Thy live in a camper and they are building up their place, almost in, in about a year and a half.
Keep it going...
i’m salivating…incredible!…
like i was when i found an old stone gris mill in Pennsylvania that was located on low lands ( wetlands ) and utilized a stream to power a wheel just like this…
i had no chance, like many others before me, to do a damn thing with it…im sure it has deteriorated to a point where it’s not able to be saved …and what a damn shame…but don’t let my experience deter you…it’s absolutely worth giving it a very good shot…best of success!
I Love it too, but it's probably not gonna happen. You will run into the same kind of issues in most European countries when it comes to buying/developing property. You really do need something that requires a little less money, and can safely house your family from the start. ❤️
A beautiful property, or beautiful nightmare? Let us know what you think. We would LOVE to be able to restore this property... What would YOU do?? (whatever it is, I hope you give us a LIKE for this one!! C'mon... it helps us out a TON!)
Beautiful place for sure, but I think it would take several million USD or more to restore. I would think that entire roof would need to be replaced. One other youtuber bought an old mill in Portugal and were not allowed in the building for some time even after they bought it.
Gov and locals will scam you. I know Portugal better than my own country.
Come on James! It's a State Park!
You have heard of State and Federal Landmarks in the US, you can't touch a nail without approval.
2024, why do you think nobody has bought it yet?
Too good to be true, I swear there is a video on YT from a Brit talking about his property. 100% no go!
Your expert says (with a hidden toothy grin) "maybe you can", right there the BS starts!...
Nightmare dear! You will not find solutions in Portugal . Ideas and creation are not appreciated in Portugal .
Nightmare, major nightmare. Why not Ecuador?
I love Portugal. I've been there 8-9 times, mostly around Lagos, Portugal.
High five from a U.S. American in Munich, Germany
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Also the continuous noise factor
Not that much water flow , maybe 5kw at best so not worthwhile in my opinion, solar panels are much cheaper and easier to maintain also the noise factor! Still would make a nice tourist spot but permits will be a pain if even possible.
It's sad to see you come off the water. You have taught me so much, but I am also very excited for your future and your family. ❤
I wish everbody the best in life , but wake up ! This is not the time to invest in Europe.
Agree, nowhere is untill after T elections. New plandamic is out and Porto was one country that pushed the other one, hate to see what they will do with this next one. WHO is planning state of emergency world wide next week already.
I also love this property but would rather live out on some remote island in the middle of the South Pacific like Tonga with a dock. That way you could build your Mumby and have a home away from home.
And still have a yacht....the best of two worlds.
@@judy8301 Yep and they can still call there channel a sailing channel.
James, a garden with your own veggies serving that museum/restaurant. *chef's kiss*. Warm LED lights illuminating the wheel and generators that power the whole thing. Reconstructed sawmill that is used for the wood for your pizza oven.
My partner has family near Loule, they have a load of land and built a bar, Restaurant and a huge house with no problems. Then he built a kids play park for parties, crazy golf, go-kart track, football swimming pool etc without any permission, I said he should be proud as his work is visible on satellite view!! BUT, and it is a BIG BUT, he is a Portuguese through and through! I am a Londoner and my partner says I like it there because I am oblivious to the negative comments from the locals. Putting it politely, they are not too keen on outsiders, that's why Portugal is still portugal all over the country.
That's not to say you may get to know the locals and gel, when I walk in to João's bar I get a great welcome and we drink a few beers etc. But I do see the different reactions when off the tourist trails. Her uncle takes us to many off the beaten track restaurants etc and as he is a bit of a face it goes well. When returning with just my partner it does feel different!
If you can speak the language, and I think Anna and yourself can? that will be a big help.
But the place looks amazing and I really hope it goes your way.
PS, about 60km to the south there's a great cooperative called Adega Cooperativa de Carvoeira, C.R.L, Estrada Nacional 9, nº 5 | Curvel | 2565-138 Carvoeira | Torres Vedras | Portugal. You can get amazing reds there for ridiculously good prices🍷🍷
Desejando-lhe boa sorte
. the shear amount of organic disposal is challenging .
Its a beautiful property brother but if your gameplan is to rent structures short-term, owning in the EU sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare. We own historic property in high regulation areas in the states which reduces rental supply and own in low regulation areas that allow for endless supply and lots of competition. Both suck in their own way but for us, outcompeting people in the market by building a better product vs. out-navigating red tape regulation is a lot more enjoyable.
We restored an old stone structure like this in NC so if you move forward on it, shoot us a message. Would be happy to reconnect and share what we discovered on that build!
Run TF away. I had a money pit.
Don't do it
As long as it’s simp money from his patrons why not 😂
There's no question about it, the property is a dream. I'm just wondering whether I want to hear the water so loud all the time. The whole thing definitely has a lot of potential and you certainly have plenty of ideas for it. Make something of it or keep looking, there are certainly many other possibilities with their own charm where a lot can be done. If the price is acceptable, you should be clear about the further investments. And as some have already written, look for the right lawyer/notary who will draw up sensible contracts. Remember, whatever you do in the future, you are a family man and you must always think about making sure your family is safe and provided for. Wish you all the best.
Reminds me of a holiday resort, i've helped to fix for selling, in New Zealand. Looks like a forever-project or too expensive to be worth it. Doable with a good team but a burden again in 20-30 years. Not great for a kid either, without other kids around and a vehicle as a hard requirement.
Absolutely lovely property, but government regulations and bureaucracy, building/planning permissions and penalties for not dotting all the i's should not be underestimated even if you have the best of intentions.
Very cool house project, but bigger project $$$ maybe can be done with investors? Maybe micro brewery, with restaurant: "Woodmill Brewery". And build your house on the ridge above with cottages somewhere for B&B? There's a place kinda like this in western Massachusetts, "The Bookmill". All about demographics, business plan, etc.
Beautiful, but at a glance, it's not unreasonable to think that you'll need to spend the purchase price just to ensure structural integrity and safety.
My man…
Industrial water-powered sewing machines…make some sails…hire a couple people for now…4 yurts….
I’d swing over from Oregon for a month to help ya do stuff….
A pressure washer.
A chainsaw.
A skid steer.
People forget the palatial magnificence of a property to a couple who have lived and survived on a tiny vessel..at sea…
Congratulations on your dreams you 3…wherever you decide to settle.
🙏Oregon
amazing place and i can see your brain running on all the possibilities, 2 down points you should consider are: the property is inside the valley so you get less sun hours, second point is the river cold air in the winter can creep in yer bones...
Super cool property will take some work but I know you aren’t shy about work.
Coolest thing about it is the ambience of the river and surrounded by nature reserves.
Be very careful. My brother bought property in southern Portugal in the late 80’s and he can’t build shit on it still in 2024!
James; look at the shrubs around the property, and you should find were plants freeze, and then recover, after an extra cold year. ...you can read the history of the property, by the type of plants, but find the ones that will physically record a freeze... ...the freeze will cause the plant to form a knuckle of regrowth, where the frost took the plant back to... ie., look for sumacs, or laurels...
Hi James,
Interesting project that with canny leveraging of your YT community could make for a:
- cheap place to live
- mid term convert to business
- long term renovate to stunning resort
Best of luck...
Hey James it's Luis the portuguese with the videogames channel 😂, have a nice trip to açores buddy 👍
Luis! Hey buddy, good to hear from you! Send me a link to your channel
What kind of Lumber is there to mill, how hard is it to get the wood to the mill, what kind of equipment is there to move the wood to the mill once the wood arrives at the property, Hope the blades are still good. And is there a mkt for milled wood . Build your own home with the lumber for sure.
This place looks amazing for sure, but the real question is... Why has no-one locally bought it.?
No sewer 🚽
yes, this is the question!👍
Don’t do it, you will be handcuffed! Look for a more useable farm where you are free. I sold my boat, bought an old mango plantation with a well, out buildings, and have a Nicaraguan wife who doesn’t speak English but the life is great!
dude see if you can find someone to convert those sawmills into sewing machines and find some sailmakers that like portugal! can you simply clean and maintain the existing property? that would be good enough for a lot of people just find level ground and get some tents of various sizes. good choices buddy, lovin' it.
This right here.
Positive constructive awesomeness.
Ayup
Awsome Property! I Dream for both of You, stay strong, never give up on Your dream. Lots of Love from South Africa ( Bloemfontein)
Don't. As beautiful as it may seem, it will bankrupt you very quickly. Be wary of the hospitality industry. Its a very finicky industry and the odds are always stacked against you, especially in these times we live in. I personally know several good friends who are trapped in their little boutique hotels or restaurants living hand to mouth every month....because it is an unpredictable source of income. I think plenty of comments along the same lines here tells you the same.
If you're looking for a place to live on the short term this is not the place.
This is a place with a lot of potential for a touristic project, accommodation, and a restaurant but it will require several years, a good architect and a lawyer to guide you through the process.
It will have to be a project based on sustainability, and job creation and will require some good political skills to convince the mayor.
All this is just to say it is not impossible but it can't be rushed and will require a lot of anxiety and expectations management :-)
This is not a place for children and everyplace and everything you look at is beautiful so you are not looking throughthe eyes of a developer. One other thing you better have very and I mean very deep pockets (I know this from a similar experience that went through to finish but I would never do it again) as if you think a sailboat was a black hole this is a lot bigger with more suprises as you go along.
The Boy is lying…….. big time….. I feel it ….
That part of Portugal in winter Rains too much. It’s fing cold as well. Think N. Oregon/ Washington State. Place will be Dead in Winter. That Boy is full os BS
Here you go again. Taking on a huge project with tons of work. It would be a cool restaurant home situation.
What a gorgeous place 😍😍😍😍
Brother James!! You already have the living room and bedroom and bathroom. The Kitchen is in the room WHERE THE FIREPLACE IS!!,❤❤❤❤❤❤ It has a sink in that room!!! Keep the bedrock exposed in that room. Oh Man!! I'll Help!!!! I'm the oldest of 2 daughters. When my father built our house, guess who was his helper? You got it. I ran the wire in that whole house. And tiled the bathrooms. And Navy stuff, come on! I was a Torpedoesman Mate!!! We did everything. I can't tell ya on this platform. But i told ya a little on Instagram! This place fits you! I was waiting for you do dive in!! And little Luna will be jumping from the damn at 4!!! EVERY Sailboat adventurer would stop by too!!! I'm begging! Much Love to You, Anna and sweet baby Luna!! My great niece has a half sister name Luna. She's about 3 now. ✝️🙏❤🇺🇸⛵👣👣👣🍍🍍🍍☘🌻😎🤗🍼🍼🍼
Melinda, you sound absolutely amazing. There's a lot to think about here, so we're not diving in quite yet, but it's a possibility! Thanks for the support and love. Tell your great niece she's got the best name in the world!
@thelastpirate I Will! And When We meet again, we won't forget the picture, well, I won't! BUT with the FAMILY! Take your time on your decision. That place is really Beautiful and one of a kind find. I just want Y'all to be happy! ✝️🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️🍼
I don't want to discourage you, but you are not the first one to have this idea. Thousands of people before you have tried and failed, On properties like this and many others. Just forget about it. Don't waste your time and money on it.
Looks amazing..I built a house on/ near a river with a waterfall ike that in the US....waterfront property is always going to be valuable if you can elevate its legal use but that is the trick. Took 15 years of environmental bureaucracy costing almost $100k in just engineering fees....ultimately was successfully...do some consultations with structural engineer as River may be violent in spring threatening foundation and dam also have them evaluate septic system as both could be hard blockers.
The crazy permits are nutty They won't let you update the building for years.... I heard the taxes are heavy on that stuff too.
Be a great place for a distillery or Yoga studio...
It's beautiful. The structures are a little rustic.
You could definitely power your self and the cabins, yurts or tiny homes.
My first thought was distillery...I'm a Kentucky girl and almost every river/stream has a bourbon distillery next to it....it just made perfect sense to me. Craft bourbon is such a big deal every where. Japan does it very well, why not Portugal, eh?
‘It’s complicated…..and start the process’ welcome to Portugal 😂!!!
To get permits can be a slow process, but in some countrys, laws can be old, so it can be cheaper to go ahead and later pay a little fine. Get legal advice and find out how much you would have to pay as a fine and that it will not be reversed.
what a crock of horse shit dont give this young family stupid fucking ideas have you seen the clip about this country and how people are being sold when the land isn't theirs to sell in the first place a little while later the original owner wants to know what the hell are you doing on his land !!!! dam fuck wit you are,
this property is sitting on for years for a buyer( I was interested too) ...try to figure why ?
so beautiful, but so limited....., and with climate change, the rules could become stricter.....time to move on and not look back, the next one will be even better...cheers
The question is, how much Your enthusiasm upped your price.
Zingara always brings smiles great vid. Tks
James, you can run endless bitcoin mining with that water wheel.
That does need allot of child proofing,
Really cool place, Ideally maybe partly restore some of the woodworking/sawmill stuff. If the potential restaurant business is slow during the Winter.
That's a big money project. Out of reach, but was nice to see
Is it possible that i saw you in the last video from Cpt Rick Moore? 😂😂
100% correct ;-)
Don't quit on it yet.
Try to find out what it takes to build there, I'm sure you'll have to respect some rules but I'm sure you'll build something special.
Like the guy said, try to meet the entities responsible for construction to get their opinions and go from there.
Never thought you would end up here.
Good luck man.
We as ILUMHOUSE Portugal can supply beautiful wooden prefab houses for your rental business. Mounted on ground screws i.e temporary..
Emotions can be the Devil. So many things would have to line up before even the hint of your dream is realized. How sturdy is the dam? If that goes, it takes the team away. Be cautious. Best case scenario is 5 years delay and it's likely never to be best case.
I think the dam has been there for 70-100 years... but you're the second person to comment about that. It wouldn't be good if it gave way, that's for sure.
@@thelastpirate Have you considered Sao Miguel Azores? It's been 10 years since I was looking in the Povoacao area, but there were many similar opportunities but with stunning views of the Ocean. There is so much to do which would translate to good opportunity for success .
Just to give you a pointer about Portugal. Everything there in government is Old School. So if you want to buy a restricted property, Old School Rules Still Persist In Being Able To Buy It. Money Talks, All Others Walk!!. If you were to get some Investor Friends Together With Your Finances, you could get that property without any problem. Of course it would cost you about $2 Million Euros but it is doable. We now live here and have learned All The Rules In Ownership of Property. Get together with a Top Lawyer in Lisbon Who Knows All The Laws And Loopholes, and They Will Get You This Property. Peace Out. One Love. Robert(Ras).
. great footage with q n a . smart brainstorming zing style , ❤ .
Well. You’re finally buying something that goes up in value.
OMG that's the most unique spot I've ever seen. Buy it! Work out the issues later.
tjaaaa, klar, es ist ja nicht dein Geld ;-)
Ohla, Its a huge property for the price. What are the rental option for portions of the property like storage or a small business that could pay rent ! Tourist rent is so seasonal and what could they do ? Is there other tourism in the area ?
Can it work as a home as is ? Can you quickly find a way to .make
some Income from it without having to invest a lot Into it.?
Amazing place
Cheers warren
CAREFUL Sounds Hard to Do ANYTHING there
this fits perfectly to u lol
Are there plans on file for this Mill? Are thtere drawings that exist to replace the water mill impeller?
Do it James . Only One life man .
Very cool, but prohibitive costs, a bureaucratic nightmare…and even if approvals were obtained, it would take a small fortune to complete. But it’s you dream…just be sure of the costs and return on the investment in time and money is worth it.
En estas propiedades el precio de inicio puede ser emocionante pero después necesitarias muchoo mas para invertir ademas de trabajo infinito.
Claro que tiene posibilidades pero creo que un sitio mas pequeño seria una mejor opción. 😊
While it seems like a beautiful property and amazing location, only 45 minutes away from a major population area, is the investment worth it over the long run?
WAIT.. its not going away in a hurry.
I am guessing that there is no sewer or septic. - and being that low in the river I would guess you would need some sort of lift station and then ….. ???
PASS
Remember the main thing with real estate. Location location location.
Dude, I get delayed gratification but in this case you buy it and it'll be 5 to 10 years before you can actually have it, man I'd hard pass.
It will haunt you if your don't buy it, However once you buy it you will need the all the resources to deal with everything that comes with it from licensing to building. James, the owner is now selling it, as he hit a bureaucratic wall! Take care don't wear rose colored glasses don't jump in if it seems too deep. Like you I love it but I'm a aromatic at heart that is until reality hits one in the pocket. Good Luck in realizing your dream, SV Skoiern IV
ja, James sollte wirklich aufpassen! - Geld und Bürokratie sind eine große Hürde!
This channel just got a huge boost of potential content. I love these renewing old farm projects
Sounds like way more bureaucracy than it's worth. Didn't you get enough of it while you were a sailor?
Was there any room by the road for parking?
Ultimate moonshine still!Sweet property 👌 Just one Go fund me away!lol
run
RUN!!! you're thinking in Romantic terms at this point. The logistics would be a nightmare. not a feasible project unless you have bottomless pockets....................
Whiskey factory with home made barrels 🏴☠️
What I understand him saying you should use your money and internet influence and return the property to the community heritage. Maybe in that process it’s possible to acquire some European funds or even to become resident. I guess you just have to be noble
Speak to Frank who built paradiseinportugal an off grid eco place on a lake in remote Portugal
Well, if you do buy it and want some help, let me know I have lots of construction experience. Killer place!
If we end up with this we'll need some serious help! LOL. It is a cool place... I really love it.
@@thelastpirate just a heads up the restaurant business is a lot of work, I like the rental units idea much easier to maintain best of luck!
I would have a constant nightmares that the kid would fall into one of those pits
Next! Plenty of other places.
Easy to get carried away with your own ideas of the possibilities, but the local planning usually kills a lot of dreams. You would likely be better off buying the smallest house and land you find comfortable, and then partner into an existing buisness. The amount of disgruntled Europeans who moved to Portugal because of cheap property, opening "eco-tourism", yoga retreats and organic farms was/is pretty big, as was the failure rate. I trust you will do your homework. Bigger is not always better.......just ask anyone who bought a "cheap" large wooden house in Sweden!
The stone work is awesome. The Cement mixer is awesome. I like it
whats the price of that property?
300k
just check into flooding, make sure in the last 10 years the home did not experience flooding. I have a creek on my property and during flooding fortunately the rising water goes mostly the opposite side from my buildings. I had it close to the buildings but never in them. The property has been in the family for 50 years now. Please check for flooding. Ask the locals. 3 years will fly by, take you that long to get home built and settle in.
Can you get flood insurance?
Only if it’s cheap. I can join from Finland for the project…. Lots of potential… a house can be made out of it and rest is just tourism and a house made of containers…. Just buy it cheap….
Sawing Zingaro
HAHAHA. Nicely done.