Gaming laptops classic disease - Shorted CPU/GPU mosfet - Msi gaming laptop repair
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GPUs are actually way more resistant against shorted high-sides than CPUs. So there is always a way higher chance it actually survived. Recently i had a really challenging case on my bench where the the DrMOS was welded with a few board layers and it was necessary to dremel the short out of the board. After the restauration of the tracks and replacing all related DrMOS it turned out the GPU is working absolutely fine, like from factory.
Hello Sorin! On my laptop (Lenovo Legion Y720) the HDMI/DPort port is only driven by the Nvidia video chip, the integrated Intel can only show picture on the built in screen. Learned it when i replaced the old battery to a identical looking one and the laptop kept shutting down when HDMI was connected/game started. The problem was the BMS in the new battery it was only able to deliver 5 amps while the original did 9.
"This is a nice MSO laptop" , opens it and it's disgusting lol, that was a laugh out load moment for me anyway. Some people have no shame, you'd at least clean it before taking it to get fixed etc. Minging doesn't come close, I'm not surprised you put gloves on for that one.
I was feel that too, this is nice and in just a second, damn dirty laptop 🤣
تحياتي استاذ سورين انت ملك الصيانه وشكرا لشرحك الجميل اعتذر لكتابتي باللغه العربيه
great video sorin ....a standard charge for just opening the laptop is the way to go ..then if gpu or cpu are gone you still get paid ..customers pay for your knowledge and experience ....and labour ....
Salut. Am fix un laptop ca acesta, a facut scurt de la mufa monitorului.. Sper ca specialistul care mi-l repara sa fie la fel de profesionist ca dvs! Spor la treaba!
If you measure voltage (mV) across coil while applying power supply to find a short you can exactly find one that is under load and a co0rresponding mosfet is dead.
Thank you very much dear teacher Sorin. Thank you 🙏😊🙏🙏
Hello, I bought MSI Gaming laptop 4 years ago, bought the warranty for a year. After like 14 months, something on my GPU shorted out. It caused massive BSOD crashes somehow even after disabling GPU in device manager. I sent it to MSI Tech Center in my country, explained to them to inspect my GPU because it's not working properly and they sent it back with a lovely word "Repaired" One advice for people reading this comment? If you want to game, buy PC, not a laptop. And definitely not MSI, if not overheating then shortening chips/mosfets.
Thank you sir, you have really boost my knowledge .
I always clean the laptops.even after a mundane job like hdd to ssd.The speed will make it look like new,so the cleaning will add some wow effect on the customer.Its the "good as new" experience for them.Never I had complaints about scratches.However I'm sure someone will say that in the future.Its inevitable .
there is some rly sensitive ppl i also had in my life so many times little scratch which was from opening laptop and trey cry... so now i tell them its not made to be dissembled and little scratch like that sometimes happen sometimes not depend how hard is laptop to disassemble it some are just screws some are painful plastic clips which will leave tracks of opening for sure...
I love the videos of gaming laptops..a follower from Libya..greetings..
I had the same problem on Acer Nitro. One of the DRMOS was blown with a hole in it. After removing that DRMOS the laptop came on with yellow mark on Nvidia graphic. I thought "hey, looks like it is still alive". I ordered the chip for 20 pounds and after soldering it blowed up.... Right now I'm not gonna repeat that decision again 😊
Whos blowing that mosfet? Driver or gpu?
@@sipansibabdreddknot5179 for sure the Nvidia. It had two or more drmos. Only one of them died. After replacing it it died again. Other DRMOS'es where fine.
@@lgolebio so how to disconnect the gpu do that the built in intel gpu will be use?
@@sipansibabdreddknot5179 Remove all drmos or coils going to gpu. The system will boot on integrated.
@@lgolebio 6-7 gen designs did this often. You have to replace the PMIC too. The drmos is usually some sic6** or fdmf 3035, you can find a higher amp one from the same line and replace them all to prevent further problems...
great video as usual , but i have a question why they do not design power supply such that if the control chip detect over voltage situation due to shorted high side mosfet it also energize the low side mosfet to create a dead short and save the cpu ( in this case the charger will probably cut out due to very low resistance short)
How are you gonna test if the GPU is still alive? It would be interesting to see the test process as well. Thanks! 😊
Usually you have a yellow sign on the gpu ->device manager
Yes!
Sorin Sir, would pls explain little about yellow sign???
@@electronicsrepairschool and you can see the sign without the chip?
Do the chips work in parallel mode?
@@dhankthapamagar3389 It is a warning that the device is detected but it is not working correctly. You need to open device manager from Windows.
Why don't you use your own test SSD? I have a sata and PCI-e one and planning to get an external USB one too. Way faster than having the customer test it or ask for the password and have problems later.
Multi phase VRM high side shorts can kill GPUs, but in my experience they are way more likely to survive than CPUs.
What caused the issue ? What model laptop is this ? Awesome video by the way. Fantastic job
heat from the other 2 mosfets cooked the middle 1 most likely. never game with fans too low on a laptop
@Andy Davies bad design. Laptops are not meant for heavy load games. Get a desktop all the way !!!
its quite simple......there is no "gaming laptop" on the market that can handle to amount or powerdraw/heat over a long peroid of time!
to small, to hot, too much generated heat on a small surface.
Its like a small city car, with a v8 engine! you can drive few ours with this, but in longterm, it will not last long!
if u want a "Gaming Pc" use at least a ITX CASE and usual ITX Parts!
Consider, good Mainboards has a 14 or 20 Phase Vcore.
Laptops has just 4 maybe 6!
it cant go well in long term
md Sorin....specialist of computer hirurgy :)
personally, would jump mosfet with a wire if power on one side only, to pass power on, if there is a short after the mosfet then i look at inductors that should be always powered on at the rail and not to ground, if grounded that's the short issue
Sorin put transparent plastic film at the screen around the screen and dont scrach the plastin. I dont know if i explend good. Just put some platic film around the display
Or take picture photo when come the first time and document every scrach to protect your work
welcome aboard agent sorin with those black gloves 🧤🖤😂
Good job mister
Omg jaja... Scratches hidden under the dirt xD
This is full of smokers Dirt....
you could use your own nvme with windows and test the gpu, with the gpu-z test just to see does it work
Im scared of that happening, i litrally bathed the mofets with k5pro
Oh No Sorin got his Hitman Gloves On...
Good job mate 👍
Hot hlue for hinges is not the best solution. Use 2 component epo compound. And clean hinges with air and loosen hinge nuts a bit.
Msi has not learned since.. cx620 had same kind of issues with hinges and all theze gamings are even worse.. hinges have so little supporting material, sometines i have to use soldering iron to fix the base to its place before using epo.. yesterday had to repair sony vaio s rumbling cooling solution but first the case.
at first i thought you are saying: this laptop is dirty 😂😂😂
me watching in the same laptop be like 🥵🥶
😅
Lots of star dust in that laptop!
Why don't you use some live boot, like medicatusb or whatever else, to test laptops w/o need to use customer's operating system?
Hi Sorin! Tested your method with hot glue for hinges. I dont know... its isnt holding... dont know why. may be because all stands were broken. By the way did you know that hot glue is very easy to remove with alcohol? few drops and its just pops out of a surface! So i made it my way: covered hinges with capton tape, mounted bolts and nuts, soldered peace of rigid wire to the nuts, filledarea with overheated hot glue and sadwithed all that. Now its like new, you can unmount hinge and nuts are firmly holding its places.
You could post pictures on Sorin's forum. 😊
Thanks for another great video. Upgrading my cheapo microscope. Have been looking at the amscope microscopes. I have been meaning to ask you on your other videos. What microscope do you use?
how do you know exactly where to look :)
you're genius .
the tools to detect shock me, even I saw it on cellphone repair it have similar
It makes me sick as an IT Security Tech is that people complain when you clean their laptop during repair. I get alot of dirty/filthy laptops in for basic upgrades or diagnostics and i refuse to work on them until they are clean. I use a microfiber cloth with just plain water to completely clean the unit before i begin my repairs. I have NOT gotten a complaint yet but if i do, i'll tell them that i cleaned the laptop with items that will not cause ANY damage. I just can't work on a filthy laptop.
same like me, whenever I repair a desktop PC and it's full of dust and dirty
I always cleaned it first, at least with a blower
I used to work at a shop repairing them. And one think I always got told. Is wear gloves or clean them .basically you don't what people have been doing on that laptop or where there hands have been if you get my drift.. we used to see a lot of content in there Web history and blue videos lol
Why don't the manufacturers have a "protection circuit" to protect the CPU/GPU from getting nuked by excess voltage or current.
planned obsolescence
nice bro...from phillipines tech
The middle mosfet again.
Is it possible to turn off option to switch to nvidia GPU in Bios?
Hello, for the business purpose it's good to use a term or camera but for learning purpose we need to see how to find this short thanks
Nice one
Looks like half of Peru in that keyboard....
Fine graphic laptop video sir update videos sir
I have a similar MSI laptop, and have anxiety of spilling drinks over it (comes from one time I almost burned my apartment with electrical device)
what if I spill liquid (tea) accidentaly on the keyboard - can it short circuit and catch on fire? or it has some kind of a fuse
I understand that the first thing to do is to disconnect the charger and hold power button for emergency shut down
but still is there a chance that a fire will start so quick there is no time to react
Sorin, HOW you can be sure that GPU is good? You let us wondering. Why? Will you find the same laptop and use chip from it to check or there is some other way to check GPU?
Could the GPU have died due to one of the fans not running, causing that part of the motherboard to overheat?
Any idea what all that white-specked stuff is that looks like it has fallen out of the keyboard, leaving a white-specked silhouette of the keyboard on the screen?
Just wish I could afford a decent Flir thermal camera!
Great stuff....
KW.
light games can also maybe make the gpu go 100% stress if no fps limit settings are in place
is not that hard to learn some basics of how to monitor and how to set settings for less stress and heat
for example lower temps and and stress in games just by limiting the fps and resolution and quality settings and power settings
maybe an example for this video will go like this
so as a speculation example
maybe now the gpu can only do around 50% usage at max core clock speed and needs to be limited depending from app to app
also
light games can also maybe make the gpu go 100% stress if no fps limit settings are in place
also
even on hard games the gpu can stay at around 50% and it can maybe be ok
also
100% usage at more less core clock speed is not really maximum stress
also
games tend to chaotically stress the gpu depending on the complexity of the scene as some levels may be light and some may be heavy
also
this example is more of a speculation for the video as of how stuff maybe correlates more or less
Hi Sorin! I have a Lenovo Ideapad Gaming 3 with Ryzen 5 4600H and GTX 1650, my gpu seems to be dead, no output from hdmi port and in the device manager it appears an Error code: 43. What shall be done? Can it be repaired or shall I replace the complete mobo or just buy a new machine?
@@Jagadvidyayatri hi i have the same problem did you fix it
@@persieprince9345 Hi there! It seems that i have to replace the mobo to use the device with GPU (so far it has been running with the iGPU), so i thought for not doing that and save money to buy a new machine.
i bought hp victus 1yr ago...and now my nvidia graphics card is not working nor showing up in task manager or device manager....is there any chance this is the problem for my laptop...here we dont have good technicians like you....😢
Your think they would clean it before sending in for repair,I certainly wood
At 3:16 you say “I don’t think the main power rail should have 36 Ohms”. My question is: How many Ohms should it be, roughly? Please let me know, I want to learn. Thank you kindly sir.
The main power rail should have infinite, or very very high resistance to ground, generally infinite, as you see at the end of the video when Sorin is measuring it again.
Other power rails are different however, I think the power rail for GDDR RAM is 40-60Ohm for example, while Vcore is just a few Ohms or even less than one Ohm.
This is why it's important to know what rail you're looking at. If you're mistaking vcore for the main power rail you will be looking for a short that simply isn't there!
Why is it always the middle Mosfet? :)
Hahaa, good question :D
Already answered by Mr Sorin !!!
@@electronicsrepairschool outside mosfets has more heat dissipation
verry creat sorin and pump your glove
Wow that is one filthy beast
Hi Sorin I understand this point driver chips is gone even you replace it not worth to fix gpu problem BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU DISABLE THE GPU POWER OR DISABLE THE GPU THEN WE CAN GET DISPLAY FROM INTEL (if you leave it like that it will enable the driver question mark in device manager and pop up the message every single time in every update) or if you do modification in the bios?
Hie my boss, been watching your clips for a while. What courses can I take to be at your level, from beginner, to learn about those small components!
same here i don't know where to begin, still reading electronics for dummies lol
Next video, testing the gpu.
Pleas order that tship and do secand part
Those mosfets like to blow
why I never see mini pc repairs , are they more reliable ?
Yikes, the keyboard/display was filthy. Gamer needs to lay off the donuts and hot pockets.
Got same Msi gaming laptop when charger in charger light turn off cut off
MSI I have one of this(gv62)
We should start changing cpu and gpu and pch for these laptops
Good luck getting an actual working GPU or CPU for this. They're not cheap and you have no idea if it's actually good or not. It's not worth the risk and possibly losing your money because Aliexpress decides to side with the seller and you also get no refund.
@JustInspired Fallout fine but the thing is we should make a problem with msi nvidea on those big companies bcz of them they are not selling gpus and cpus spare parts and the laptop is not functioning mor than 1 year
Salut,in bios ar trebui sa apara placa video daca functioneaza,cel putin la Asus apare
I have MSI KATANA GF 66 11UC
My laptop repairer said that its CPU is short circuit and we cannot change the CPU or repair it.
My laptop was on charging and it was shut down but in the morning when I tried to turn it on its keyboard lights started blinking as I pressed the power button.
Please give me any solution 🙏
wow , this one was very dirty . customer should clean keyboard
Hi I have an MSI GE75. My screen has been damged so I had to replace it And when I did that I forgot That it was plugged in So When I attatched the new screen I saw a quick flash in the place of attatchement and I heard a small pop noise and everything went off. When its plugged in it doesn't show anything and everything is dead. If you know what is dammaged plz help me. I had to work to get that laptop the entire summer to help me with studies. sorry for my bad english, its a 3th laguage for me.
0:48 lol
It's not a technician job to clean customer devices its by choice some pple are just too nasty i couldn't have my laptop looking like that and if so I'd clean it before sending it to repair very disrespectful
i think this mosfet failed for msi asus gaming laptop so what you propose for me in brand ?
Can you help me sir please ? I gave my properly working gaming laptop to just put thermal paste but after i got my laptop when i plug in , my graphic card acts so weird and fps shuttle when i plugged in but properly fine when i plug out
Sorin, laptop-ul ăla parcă a stat în cotețul găinilor. Cum poți folosi asemenea aparat pe care trăiesc o mulțime de vietăți microscopice?
So if the current drops it means it's a short in the mosfett?
If would like to not know what was the laptops problem from the start . Is it a good idea to not include it in the title ?
4:17 in which video you use this method?
My msi katana shorted.. It started with it just randomly shutting down and not turning on for hours i had to reset the battery for it to boot up again.. After maybe 1 week of this issue and just gave up and never booted back up so.. My guess is something shorted inside :(( oh well was lucky enough i had money to buy a new cyborg 15.. But it seems a lot of MSI laptops tend to short after 2 - 3 years of life
I have questions I want to buy a laptop it's have a i7 13620h they told me if pch burn you most change the motherboard completely is it true??(asus zephyrus g16 4060)
Just so that you can be as grossed-out as me, that flaky stuff that fell out of the keyboard and onto the screen... yeah that's skin flakes from the user.
This laptop is dirty, lots of dust.😮
I have a laptop asus tuf f15 and its gpu is not working. Service center told me that my gpu is dead but my gpu is showing in device manager as hidden is it dead or what
You should wear mask also!
Sorin, I see you usually working without gloves, why this time ?
Laptop owned by Australian. Can't trust those Aussies. Dirty dirty dirty. TIC
its a dirty laptop thats why lol
Omg
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Update. I got the laptop to turn on but black screen .
Update the laptop went dead again no life at all.
Update, I got it to turn on again and screen to come on but it's stuck in bios . Any help ??
Give the customer a brush and a alcohol 🧻and they clean themself before you take it. Bacteria 🦠 clean
connect Hdmi to external monitor ,if worked your GPU shall be fine
name of the screw driver u r using
can we know the mosfet model number pls?
good grose... what disgusting people are out there, that doesn't even clean their shit before they send it out for repair.... man, i don't want to see that home where this thing is used. 10th gen isn't that old, how tf can you break this hinge so fast... just terrible...
But Sorin, the integrated Intel Graphics is in the CPU since Core i series started. It's not in the nothbridge anymore.
Cum putem afla daca gpu e bun? In acest caz.
gpu cant repear !!
Look how filthy that laptop is! What is there house like for gods sake???
Some people don't respect their own property. 😢
Maybe he/she was hungry when gaming... 😁
what model of thermal camera is it?
It looks like a Hti-Xintai 384 X 288 High Resolution Thermal Camera Imager with 3.5” TFT Display Screen. A very expensive piece of equipment.
PLEASE HELP Hi , I been watching your videos , I love them. I have a msi laptop very similar to this video. I bought it and put a hdd in it , got it working nicely but never had the opportunity to even play a game on it 😢One day it worked fine , the next time I went to turn it on and nothing , no power or nothing.
I had a bad charger port so I generically fixed it , got power to the board but the laptop still wouldn't turn on.
I put new thermal paste on whole I had it opened up and as I was putting it back together I noticed a cable not connected. I connected it and the laptop turned on but had a black screen. I turned it on and off a few times no problem but still black screen. I pressed some buttons on the keyboard and it shut off again and I can't get it to do anything again. Can you please check it out if I send it to you or something please
Update. I got the laptop to turn on but black screen .
Update the laptop went dead again no life at all.
Update, I got it to turn on again and screen to come on but it's stuck in bios . Any help ??
ngl imma get old and repair my laptop myself my country laptop repair shops are nothing but fckin scams i already got scammed like 7000 rs already