The story of Lorcana is as follows: Release of the game was conservatively printed and was a hot game due to marketing and Disney popularity. Release set sold out everywhere due to player and scalper demand. Ravensburger promised to print to demand all sets and said after set three they would have higher print runs. People couldn't find any first set product except via scalpers and singles. Second set releases with the same print run but some of the wind has been taken out of the sails due to player fatigue trying to get first set. First set gets another emergency print run before the holidays and is consumed by the player base and scalpers still thinking there is money to be made. Third set comes out and while print runs are low product can be obtained relatively easy. Fourth set just released and print runs are high and Ravensburger has pivoted to add a single player mode for the game. You can walk into most big box stores and get sealed product for any set.
RB did a good job in providing access to the product. The real "investing" game will start by the time we hit the 8th set or a possible rotation is announced.
I think Lorcana prices stabilized because more people play the game like MTG than collecting like pokemon. When cards get power creeped, older cards get left behind. What Lorcana is doing with promo prize awards is really smart as well. Promos are actually rare and desirable, unlike enchanted which can be reprinted and hoarded to death. First chapter still holds price and value because it was the first. Set 2 not as good as set 3, and set 3 not as good as 4. People actually playing the game is making the prices this way. Lorcana is doing a great job making a long lasting TCG.
As someone who has bought products solely to open with my nieces and nephews, I am glad that they upped the print runs enough to kill off the scalper demand. Now with the last 2 set releases I've gone to Target within days of release and have been able to buy whatever products I wanted.
I’m not a fan boy of lorcana but if boxes you say are $109 for 24 packs and it’s a bad thing. On the other hand FAB is probably around the same price or less for the same size box but I get that you feel that is a good thing. Am I missing something. Magic play booster are $150 I’d say on the extreme high end for a 36 pack box. That makes those cheaper than lorcana. So is magic still way over printing box?
As someone who spent the better part of the last 20 years with Magic, the product overload burnout already kind of drove me away from competitive Magic. Last fall, I discovered Lorcana and have been engrossed every since. I love the game. Between the ink and song mechanics and well as balance between board control and win condition, it has taken a proven core of Magic-like gameplay and added enough to feel fresh AND offer TONS of new decision trees in gameplay. A lot of its price stability now seems to be the same reason BFZ helped stabilize prices. The chase Enchanted cards (and foil meta Legendaries) help keep most cards reasonable, while maintaining hundred dollar chase cards. It may not be perfect, but it's pretty good so far. And I'm having a blast.
@@k1ndr3dspirits The artwork is awesome. And as someone who grew up on 90s Disney, and now has two little ones (2 and 5), Disney is a big part of our lives. The art and flavor of the cards has been awesome. What originally drew me in was the fact that it was mechanically so similar to Magic, but with really interesting tweaks (songs/ink). However, the Disney flavor is what made me stick it out. I think if it was just some other random fantasy game, I probably wouldn't have gotten into it as much as I have. Currently I have nearly foiled out versions of multiple staple decks. And play League Nights (equivalent of FNM) at least once a week.
Are we pretending that 4th edition Magic boxes were $400 a few months after release? 😂 It's wild to me that people were hoping for $500 Lorcana draft boxes. If the boxes are 500 the game dies because normal people wouldn't be able to afford it. You can't have a successful and thriving game like that you silly jabronis. 😂 The singles market is driven by player / tournament demand. If you kill competitive play the boxes then have no value since demand for singles would collapse.
set 2 will age well. Lots of staples and many decks use Rise of the Floodborn cards. I am shocked the sealed is still low but I dont see rabbit, fox, flaversham, beast and many other staples getting powercrept soon. Just asked my shop if he can get some sealed Floodborn as I think it''ll be a great hold.
I get Lorcana boosters into the shop, I put them out, and I sell them. I just treat them like the latest Marvel and DC comics; I'm careful with over-ordering, and when they're gone they're just gone. While I do have some first chapter cases back, because I can't help myself, I don't have high expectations. We'll see.
First chapter boxes stable and climbing to $240 after the big restock dropped them to retail (retail $140 store cost $92)? Multiple 2k Tournaments being sold out everywhere with up to $65k prizing for a top 8 finishers? Local championship cards going for $500 plus? Seems like a steady climb to me. Product for sets 3-4 available widely at most big box retailers so it's hitting that traditional $110 a box while set 2 is climbing because it's no longer available. I think RB has had a great start. Like you, I also don't think it's going anywhere. Oh ya, the game is fun and the community is good. BTW for collectors opening a booster box isn't a complete slaughterhouse (looking at you Pokemon) as some Meta cards give decent value in return.
im totally new to the tcg market. ive been dabbling with selling some lorcana first chapter gift set boxes because i got them for a good deal, and this whole thing is sparking my curiosity. whats realistic to expect if price is going to increase in the mid to long-term future? or what else could you tell me about the whole tcg scene lol. is there a legitimate way to make good money from this or is it mostly a gamble? sorry if my question doesn't make total sense, i'm just looking for more info
They have said that from day one they are going to print until the singles are cheap. The soft prices shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who was paying any attention to what the company has said repeatedly.
@alphainvestments What do you think about those first chapter, first print run so called Errata cards...do you think they are something invest-worthy, even if the are not english cards. Do you think it is worth to hold on to starterpacks from the first printrun, because they are sealed ( not like the first booster boxes) ?
There has been a lul in Lorcana due to Disney serving a cease and desist on the fan made online client Pixelborn. Sealed prices have stabilized and Enchanted cards have come down. One big missed fact about Disney Lorcana is the price and demand for promotional product. No game in my 20 years of playing games has had the demand or prices on promotional product like Lorcana. The top 4 (8) Gold Mickey Mouse is 10k+, the top 16 (32) card is 3-4K+, the top 64 (128) promotional card is $800-1K. Simply due to the collectability of Disney, the investment will remain decent to strong in my opinion. Lorcana is Pokemon 25 years too late but the popularity of Disney has always been very high. I think its potential is very underrated. This is a long term play with no guarantee. Only time will tell and Rudy has a very reasonable approach in his take.
My largest 3 LGSs cannot keep product in store (or won't) All are still setting up to do official tournaments. There are only about 2 legendary per box per set that fetch any kind of value. Very well designed game. As per usual Enchanted cards, promos, event promos are the only real big ticket buys. If you want a quick rundown IM me.
Curious to see if this card game follows prices of Pokémon where it’s $100-$140 during the 2 year cycle and when they go out of print permanently, the boxes explode. Doubt it, but I must say the art looks great and the game is growing as people get turned off by magic due to prices and Universe Beyond sets alter magics fanbase
WARNING, THIS IS AN HYPOTHESIS. The lack of madness and the stabilization of Lorcana might come from an extra-market cause. Disney has been fucking us sore with any franchise or license they touched for the past 15 to 20 years. Aside of the unconditionnals. the confidence in Disney seems to be at the lowest point I've seen in my lifetime (I'm 41). It's likely that this defiance might have scared most of the jackals and flippers, thus keeping the market relatively player-oriented. I hate Disney with fervor since I'm 7, but I'll admit that Lorcana looks good as cards go, let's hope Disney won't fuck up again by being their usual greedy selves.
Imho the 5th set announced within a year is a proof they want to milk it fast and dry. :) I lkind of ike Lorcana as a refreshment from FaB and Sorcery - if only for the colorful cards. It’s a game to play with kids at home, I’m not comparing it to others meant for competitive play or for some very strategic experience. It’s good for people new to TCGs too, thanks to intended simplicity. We bought 2 boxes from each set so far plus starters which pretty much has a good chance to have each normal version of each card from the set possible at least once - in context of TCGs that’s not that bad from player / small collector standpoint (meaning possible easily to achieve 204/204, not playsets or god forbid full set playsets in foil incl enchanted).
Rudy progressive stance on Lorcana…I’m not touching this it’s going to be a disaster…just wait this hype is not going to last and I’m not buying or investing…Lorcana is doing ok but not great…next video…I have bought a substantial position in Lorcana
Lorcana has both a solid playerbase with competitive TCG players and high collectibility with disney fans. Elsa chase of Chapter 1 is consistently selling around $1k and meta holo cards near $100. Seems crazy to discredit diversifying in this game especially now in the current market with the EV per box.
He's not talking about chase cards, he's talking about sealed boxes. He also mentions most cards in grading are from chapter 1, which you referenced. He also said, he's not saying it's dead and that it is doing well. It just sounds that you're butthurt he's not hyping your game.
i know of a local store that is only soon about to sell out of first chapter boxes at msrp. can you help me understand why this is? (im totally new to the tcg market). i just find it odd that they go for so much on ebay but they were basically hidden in plain site at a local store for so long. (~1 year) why is it gaining popularity now? (or what am i missing)
It doesn't mean anything, these days everything that can be flipped will be flipped. Majority of tickets online will sellout in minutes because of bots.
What do you expect him to open? He isn't selling MH3, because the price is skyrocketing and he doesn't want to miss on future tendies. Maybe you see him open AC in two weeks to drive the hype since people aren't hyped yet and he doesn't want to sit on his boxes if there is less potential to go up.
The game is fun and player base is there so it will run pretty good as long as they don’t screw around too much with competitive play and keep up a good game
It's been out a year. When I go to the game space there are always a ton of kids playing it. Kids don't have money, their parents aren't going to pay 200+ for a box. Investors moved in expecting price moves like in magic, but that won't happen as the demand isn't there for high dollar cards. Kids will be bought starter decks and single packs.
Plenty of adults play the game as well, like me. As for the cost, Ravensburger made it clear that they are selling a GAME. The Enchanteds are certainly chase cards and very much collectable, but that in and of itself doesn't create demand or value. With time, I expect that the Enchanteds, promos, and prize support cards will raise in price. The cards used for the game, even the Legendaries, will ebb and flow as the meta changes, as it does with any card game with a healthy playerbase and developed meta. But nobody should be buying boxes of this stuff hoping to double their money in a year.
Comments Duly noted…. however the Lorcana card game is doing better than Fab, which you keep advocating for, it’s doing about as well as pokémon, there boxes with the exception of paldea evolved are also sitting at 108, 109…. just keeping it real, thanx for the great video
Great video, Rudy! Overall for a TCG that isn’t even a year old, Lorcana is in an extremely healthy spot. Boxes aren’t going to the moon immediatly, but aren’t going below distribution pricing at all. Very healthy and stable at the moment.
i dont own a lorcana product myself, but i know a couple of people that are into that, what i noticed, they are all fathers and buy those boxes for their daughters and plan to sell them when they are older and leave home
When scalpers, ahem, sorry.... "investors", mass buy the first sets to the point that nobody can play the shit for the entire first year of the product it turns out the market flops because of loss of interest and the market stabilizes from there. Crazy.
It is because there are games being ran much better than Lorcana. Its quite interesting that Rudy won't talk about Grand Archive TCG. Even though they have out performed many people's expectations. Does pretty much everything Rudy wants every card game to do properly and has been growing throughout the country.
@@LoveStrangeDr since when is Disney a desirable IP? Have you looked through the Disney portfolio and how they are doing? If you buy and invest in any Disney product then your decision making is questionable at best
@@chaozboy9482 you think Disney has never faced the identity politics BS its facing today? Look up McCarthyism in the 50s. What's happening today is a joke compared to before. Disney will be fine, unlike Metazoo
@@KyleBaran90 the bottom of the box is white instead of blue and some cards have different text, so some pre-errata cards like Nami and Law are seen more like a "first edition".
The game is doing exactly the opposite of what I expected. Because the chase cards are kinda meh and expensive meh pack opening experience, collectors don't honestly care as much as I expected. Meanwhile, the player base seems strong with Magic players who grew tired of Hasbro. Very interesting dynamic
I wouldn't say that the Enchanteds are "meh," but you're certainly entitled to your own opinion. Now if you specifically mean Disney collectors, then yeah, I could see that. I believe that general card collectors like myself have been more than happy with the Enchanteds. As for the cost of opening packs, it's $6 for a single booster or usually right at $5 for a box. You can probably get a case.for under $5 per pack. I'm not sure what card game you're playing that has cheaper packs than that, especially seeing as how Wizards just raised their prices again, and One Piece is still pricey. I can tell you that the gameplay loop is extremely addictive, and VERY reminiscent of old school Magic. There are definitely some questionable design issues, like no maximum hand size. There also seems to be a very "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" thing going on with some of the cards, as they are literally just old Magic designs like A Whole New World, which is Wheel of Fortune but even stronger. That said, there are meta decks that the community were rallying around during the Pixelborn days. But none of those decks were unbeatable without spending tons. You could very easily put together a budget deck and just be the better player and win a game. There is a lot of flexibility in deck design, and seemingly an answer for every new meta threat that is found. Overall, it reminds me a lot of the old WoW TCG, but better. I loved that game more than Magic at the time, and now I feel the same way about Lorcana with current Magic. It's a shame really, because Hasbro did this to themselves.
Lorcana has FOUR sets. The FOURTH set, Ursula's Return, only launched about a month ago. They release sets every THREE months. That is the old Magic release schedule. The only card game with too many releases and too many products is Hasbro Commander.
Feel like one piece is finally starting to die down a little as well. My local lgs hasn’t had more than one case on release for any set and the new release set today they had over 3 cases so I feel like it’s getting better as well and minus the manga and some alt arts the game has been even more affordable it has ever been
Go woke go broke? My guess is it will have to go down in price or it will end up like Yugioh where kids watch the shows and adults play the game because the cards are too expensive and most parents are not going to buy them for kids. Especially when its literally gambling.
As a player playing the game. Ive enjoyed it since set 1 and am still enjoying it. Making fun brews. Currently my LGS decks are blue steel songs, purple steel brooms, and ruby steel pirates.
Lorcana cards collect dust at my local Wal-Mart. Ravensburger was greedy. They thought they could just copy and paste what Bandai did and would be successful. Shortprint everything, drive up demand and scalpers and fear of FOMO, and ride the money rainbow to crown town. And to be honest, the Bandai strategy is horrible for kids or the casual collector who just wants to own a few cards. They have to compete with the scalpers and resellers and 'professional gamers' who will sleep outside stores until they get restocked and then buy out everything that comes in. But Ravensburger screwed up in a few more ways. They thought they could leverage their premium license with Disney to charge a few dollars more per booster and people would pay it to own a Mickey Mouse card. They were wrong. And they designed boosters that are the least fun to open in practically any TCG on the market at the moment. Boosters need to have lots of shiny and pretty cards to make them exciting to open, so once you do jump through the hoops of fighting off the hordes of scalpers and resellers, you can bask in the glory of your full-art foil glossed signature fancy card. Every Lorcana pack has a foil version of a card, but it's usually just commons and uncommons, so it feels cheap. And then only the highest rarity card, Enchanted, comes foil guaranteed, and you're not even guaranteed an enchanted card in a booster box. It's just all a recipe to be underwhelmed when you finally crack that booster box open and walk away with a bunch of non-foil cards, a few foil commons. Personally, I like having access to cards. I like seeing them at my local Wal-Mart and not having to order exclusively from TCGPlayer. I like not having to pay double or triple MSRP for every item that releases. The Bandai model has been horrible for the casual collector or player. And as someone who started playing TCGs when the Pokemon TCG released, I remember how Toys'R'Us had bins full of booster packs available. People wanted the cards because they were cool, not because they could resell them on eBay for triple MSRP. I remember walking into my LGS and seeing the new Naruto TCG and buying packs whenever I wanted, not ever having to worry about the store only getting in a few boxes and them being sold exclusively to pre-ordering customers and then there being nothing to sell in store. I wish we could go back to the old way TCGs were. Let MTG be the card game where long-term value matters. Let new card games be fun to collect, fun to play, and easy to find and purchase. Perhaps if new TCGs were this way, they'd have a better chance of being as successful as Pokemon was. Instead, we're going to see more Lorcanas. Flash in the pans. Once scalpers lose interest in them, the casual collector has already given up months ago and moved on. I hate to see it.
Haven’t watched the video but they are full on with game pieces and don’t care about the second market lol if people were hoping to make easy money that time has passed unless you hit only enchanteds and are lucky lol
@@Xoulrath_I sell pretty frequently but I can’t be mad when the owners of the game make the game affordable, I’m actually for it. The only time I disagree is magics reserve list reprinting….. because they do that 🤷🏼♂️ no complaints I like lorcana, I don’t play it but it’s interesting. I guess maybe now we won’t get a Disney/magic collab
All Ravens need to do is have a banger set. I see this following the OP path. OP 1 through 4 were ok sets. Once OP-05 hit is when it really took off. At that time people were calling Op-05 the "Evolving Skies" of One Piece. Multiple Mangas, Beautiful SP cards, anniversary cards, and even a signed card. Evo Skies, the same with multiple Alt Arts. If I owned Lorcana that would be the first move I make around set 6 or 7. Second smart move for Ravens would be to fully redesign their cards. Add flare, better holos, signed cards, hell even serialized cards. Right now Lorcana has BEAUTIFUL cards that they unfortunately just giving out only at specific events. If those specific cards were in, say set 6, people would be going crazy to get their hands on boxes. I'll be the first one to tell you right now that I believe that all the Lorcana cards are boring to open, you can barley tell that a card is a holo, and are half assed designed. Make your "art" desirable and you will have more interest. What I love about One Piece, and I don't even like the IP, is the art style of each set differs from the last sets. Wanted Posters, Brilliant! Uber colorful SP cards, Brilliant! Calligraphy style drawings of characters, Brilliant! That's how OP is bringing people in that don't even care about the characters but they do care about beautiful art on cards
I've never seen a box for less than $120, which is $5 a pack. It's pretty reasonable given today's current card game pricing. That $110 price almost certainly doesn't include shipping, or it's from a massive seller who bought insane amounts of product to be able to sell that low. I'd expect a full case to dip below $5 per pack, but not a single box.
@@Xoulrath_ that’s true, but the MSRP from Bandai is 4.50 a pack and that still can’t be found anywhere so I guess I’m just saying I hope we can get there lol
No it isn't. It's been slowly pushing up since the release of more product right before the tournaments started. They're $240 on TCGPlayer. It got down to about $200 at one point then started popping back up. First print boxes are still MUCH higher.
Rudy has a huge network of information. Speaking of slabs and grading, it makes me wonder if part of involving himself with that grading company was to get ""insider"" information (eg demand and card/singles flows)
Rudy are you gonna make an offer on Metazoo? You've talked a lot in the past about how things could have been done different in regards to print runs and management in many different TCG's so it seems like an opportunity for you, also because you initially had so high hopes for the IP.
I don't know it's a fun game. Lorcana is basically old-fashioned mana resource oriented minion combat game, like a paper version of Hearthstone. Nothing new to us.
It's very similar to the WoW TCG, aka the paper version of Hearthstone. That was a great game. It's too bad that Blizzard let it die for the less good Hearthstone. Oh well.
The story of Lorcana is as follows: Release of the game was conservatively printed and was a hot game due to marketing and Disney popularity. Release set sold out everywhere due to player and scalper demand. Ravensburger promised to print to demand all sets and said after set three they would have higher print runs. People couldn't find any first set product except via scalpers and singles. Second set releases with the same print run but some of the wind has been taken out of the sails due to player fatigue trying to get first set. First set gets another emergency print run before the holidays and is consumed by the player base and scalpers still thinking there is money to be made. Third set comes out and while print runs are low product can be obtained relatively easy. Fourth set just released and print runs are high and Ravensburger has pivoted to add a single player mode for the game. You can walk into most big box stores and get sealed product for any set.
First chapter isn't available in stores but Ursula you can get any product you want
RB did a good job in providing access to the product. The real "investing" game will start by the time we hit the 8th set or a possible rotation is announced.
No Ch1 in Stores anywhere near me (EU)
Lorcana is cheaper than Magic the Gathering to get into the game you say?
Okay, I’m in.
have fun Timmy
I think Lorcana prices stabilized because more people play the game like MTG than collecting like pokemon. When cards get power creeped, older cards get left behind.
What Lorcana is doing with promo prize awards is really smart as well. Promos are actually rare and desirable, unlike enchanted which can be reprinted and hoarded to death.
First chapter still holds price and value because it was the first. Set 2 not as good as set 3, and set 3 not as good as 4. People actually playing the game is making the prices this way. Lorcana is doing a great job making a long lasting TCG.
i miss the days when rudy would rant and rave and open packs........
Fewer patrons buying boxes for openings
Be a Patron. Buy boxes to open
@@KrepsyK
Not how it works
Rudy posts a list, we sign up to his list via availability.
We can't just hit him up to buy one to open
@@YearOfTheSwagon sorry i dont support hasbro. i played from alpha up to mirage but i would never support hasbro,, ever
@@tutoch love the game, hate the company
As someone who has bought products solely to open with my nieces and nephews, I am glad that they upped the print runs enough to kill off the scalper demand. Now with the last 2 set releases I've gone to Target within days of release and have been able to buy whatever products I wanted.
I’m not a fan boy of lorcana but if boxes you say are $109 for 24 packs and it’s a bad thing. On the other hand FAB is probably around the same price or less for the same size box but I get that you feel that is a good thing. Am I missing something. Magic play booster are $150 I’d say on the extreme high end for a 36 pack box. That makes those cheaper than lorcana. So is magic still way over printing box?
As someone who spent the better part of the last 20 years with Magic, the product overload burnout already kind of drove me away from competitive Magic. Last fall, I discovered Lorcana and have been engrossed every since. I love the game. Between the ink and song mechanics and well as balance between board control and win condition, it has taken a proven core of Magic-like gameplay and added enough to feel fresh AND offer TONS of new decision trees in gameplay.
A lot of its price stability now seems to be the same reason BFZ helped stabilize prices. The chase Enchanted cards (and foil meta Legendaries) help keep most cards reasonable, while maintaining hundred dollar chase cards. It may not be perfect, but it's pretty good so far. And I'm having a blast.
I actually love the artwork but maybe I'm in the minority... 🤷♂
@@k1ndr3dspirits The artwork is awesome. And as someone who grew up on 90s Disney, and now has two little ones (2 and 5), Disney is a big part of our lives. The art and flavor of the cards has been awesome.
What originally drew me in was the fact that it was mechanically so similar to Magic, but with really interesting tweaks (songs/ink). However, the Disney flavor is what made me stick it out. I think if it was just some other random fantasy game, I probably wouldn't have gotten into it as much as I have.
Currently I have nearly foiled out versions of multiple staple decks. And play League Nights (equivalent of FNM) at least once a week.
@@SnapquesterMage Agreed. 💯
Rudy can’t comprehend a company wanting to support players and not scalpers.
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Players don't exist without collectors/investors
@@lukakramaric4089 The fact you think scalper is synonymous with investors says a lot 😂
Where’s Metazoo?
@@lukakramaric4089 Right, because MetaPoo was doing so well with its playerbase in the negatives lol.
Hey man, everything is selling and people are having lots of fun with it. Should be awesome long run.
Ravensburger told us they would do massive print runs they do it better than one piece making for a way more stable market
Are we pretending that 4th edition Magic boxes were $400 a few months after release? 😂 It's wild to me that people were hoping for $500 Lorcana draft boxes. If the boxes are 500 the game dies because normal people wouldn't be able to afford it. You can't have a successful and thriving game like that you silly jabronis. 😂
The singles market is driven by player / tournament demand. If you kill competitive play the boxes then have no value since demand for singles would collapse.
Love the Locana content. Those foil Enchanted cards are so beautiful! And very collectible for years to come.
I think Lorcana is always going to be "affordable" at release, but as the sets get older, the Disney collectors will pay for it
set 2 will age well. Lots of staples and many decks use Rise of the Floodborn cards. I am shocked the sealed is still low but I dont see rabbit, fox, flaversham, beast and many other staples getting powercrept soon. Just asked my shop if he can get some sealed Floodborn as I think it''ll be a great hold.
What’s the real reason you are anti-ravensburger?
They never stop printing. Will basically just print to demand print to the moon. And they printed another TCG/CCG into death.
they wouldn't give him a sweetheart deal when they were in extreme demand
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Got burger in the name. He prefers tacos.
I get Lorcana boosters into the shop, I put them out, and I sell them. I just treat them like the latest Marvel and DC comics; I'm careful with over-ordering, and when they're gone they're just gone. While I do have some first chapter cases back, because I can't help myself, I don't have high expectations. We'll see.
First chapter boxes stable and climbing to $240 after the big restock dropped them to retail (retail $140 store cost $92)? Multiple 2k Tournaments being sold out everywhere with up to $65k prizing for a top 8 finishers? Local championship cards going for $500 plus? Seems like a steady climb to me. Product for sets 3-4 available widely at most big box retailers so it's hitting that traditional $110 a box while set 2 is climbing because it's no longer available. I think RB has had a great start. Like you, I also don't think it's going anywhere. Oh ya, the game is fun and the community is good. BTW for collectors opening a booster box isn't a complete slaughterhouse (looking at you Pokemon) as some Meta cards give decent value in return.
im totally new to the tcg market. ive been dabbling with selling some lorcana first chapter gift set boxes because i got them for a good deal, and this whole thing is sparking my curiosity. whats realistic to expect if price is going to increase in the mid to long-term future? or what else could you tell me about the whole tcg scene lol. is there a legitimate way to make good money from this or is it mostly a gamble? sorry if my question doesn't make total sense, i'm just looking for more info
@@DopeBass everything’s a gamble. Lorcana is a bigger one than more established games. Big risk or big reward
@@Brandonhart100 thank you for the reply! that makes total sense lol
They have said that from day one they are going to print until the singles are cheap. The soft prices shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who was paying any attention to what the company has said repeatedly.
@alphainvestments What do you think about those first chapter, first print run so called Errata cards...do you think they are something invest-worthy, even if the are not english cards. Do you think it is worth to hold on to starterpacks from the first printrun, because they are sealed ( not like the first booster boxes) ?
If you have them already sealed and didn't plan on opening them I'd keep them for the next two years
There has been a lul in Lorcana due to Disney serving a cease and desist on the fan made online client Pixelborn. Sealed prices have stabilized and Enchanted cards have come down. One big missed fact about Disney Lorcana is the price and demand for promotional product. No game in my 20 years of playing games has had the demand or prices on promotional product like Lorcana. The top 4 (8) Gold Mickey Mouse is 10k+, the top 16 (32) card is 3-4K+, the top 64 (128) promotional card is $800-1K. Simply due to the collectability of Disney, the investment will remain decent to strong in my opinion. Lorcana is Pokemon 25 years too late but the popularity of Disney has always been very high. I think its potential is very underrated. This is a long term play with no guarantee. Only time will tell and Rudy has a very reasonable approach in his take.
Welcome to the 70’s baseball card era please enjoy your stay for the next 50 years
My largest 3 LGSs cannot keep product in store (or won't) All are still setting up to do official tournaments. There are only about 2 legendary per box per set that fetch any kind of value. Very well designed game. As per usual Enchanted cards, promos, event promos are the only real big ticket buys. If you want a quick rundown IM me.
Curious to see if this card game follows prices of Pokémon where it’s $100-$140 during the 2 year cycle and when they go out of print permanently, the boxes explode. Doubt it, but I must say the art looks great and the game is growing as people get turned off by magic due to prices and Universe Beyond sets alter magics fanbase
Dudes....its Disney....only Timmies invest money in Disney...
Besides NOBODY plays Lorcana in my region.
Collectors vs Players argument
WARNING, THIS IS AN HYPOTHESIS.
The lack of madness and the stabilization of Lorcana might come from an extra-market cause.
Disney has been fucking us sore with any franchise or license they touched for the past 15 to 20 years. Aside of the unconditionnals. the confidence in Disney seems to be at the lowest point I've seen in my lifetime (I'm 41).
It's likely that this defiance might have scared most of the jackals and flippers, thus keeping the market relatively player-oriented.
I hate Disney with fervor since I'm 7, but I'll admit that Lorcana looks good as cards go, let's hope Disney won't fuck up again by being their usual greedy selves.
Imho the 5th set announced within a year is a proof they want to milk it fast and dry. :)
I lkind of ike Lorcana as a refreshment from FaB and Sorcery - if only for the colorful cards. It’s a game to play with kids at home, I’m not comparing it to others meant for competitive play or for some very strategic experience. It’s good for people new to TCGs too, thanks to intended simplicity.
We bought 2 boxes from each set so far plus starters which pretty much has a good chance to have each normal version of each card from the set possible at least once - in context of TCGs that’s not that bad from player / small collector standpoint (meaning possible easily to achieve 204/204, not playsets or god forbid full set playsets in foil incl enchanted).
Rudy progressive stance on Lorcana…I’m not touching this it’s going to be a disaster…just wait this hype is not going to last and I’m not buying or investing…Lorcana is doing ok but not great…next video…I have bought a substantial position in Lorcana
I sell singles and playsets for Lorcana and they sell very well. I think the player base is decent and strong.
So, you scalp?
@@samditto like the Mohawks
Don't worry, if you know how to play Magic, you know how to play Lorcana. Oh, wait...
First chapter booster boxes are starting to climb slowly though
French edition first chapter (no reprint) are also higher than any other 1st chapter box.
Lorcana has both a solid playerbase with competitive TCG players and high collectibility with disney fans. Elsa chase of Chapter 1 is consistently selling around $1k and meta holo cards near $100. Seems crazy to discredit diversifying in this game especially now in the current market with the EV per box.
He's not talking about chase cards, he's talking about sealed boxes. He also mentions most cards in grading are from chapter 1, which you referenced. He also said, he's not saying it's dead and that it is doing well. It just sounds that you're butthurt he's not hyping your game.
Did you watch the video or just get offended he didn’t only talk good about it? He literally said it’s doing really well
@@chartreuse3686 mostly talking to Timmy's in the replies. I have no doubt Rudy is a holder.
Disney is doing a number on fans, they're losing them by the day.
i know of a local store that is only soon about to sell out of first chapter boxes at msrp. can you help me understand why this is? (im totally new to the tcg market). i just find it odd that they go for so much on ebay but they were basically hidden in plain site at a local store for so long. (~1 year) why is it gaining popularity now? (or what am i missing)
Tournament being held in Canada just sold out in minutes. It’s doing exactly what it needs to do
Was about to say the same thing it's not supposed to be expensive
It doesn't mean anything, these days everything that can be flipped will be flipped. Majority of tickets online will sellout in minutes because of bots.
@@Vivinski7 You can't flip these tickets. They are non-transferable and you need a Melee account
Lots of places can barely get events to fire, ymmv based highly on location it seems
@@ryanc3201 that's fair some areas it is popping off pretty good
My kids say no one talks about lorcana at school.
what about star wars unlimited? this is a good litmus test
No shit it’s all 30 plus year olds 😂
That and one piece is purely scalpers and hot-gluers
Why no talk about Star Wars Unlimited?
Wheres the box opening videos 😢...
What do you expect him to open? He isn't selling MH3, because the price is skyrocketing and he doesn't want to miss on future tendies. Maybe you see him open AC in two weeks to drive the hype since people aren't hyped yet and he doesn't want to sit on his boxes if there is less potential to go up.
10’s of boxes of first chapter sell every day. Tons got listed once the boxes hit $300 but supply is lowering again on first chapter
The game is fun and player base is there so it will run pretty good as long as they don’t screw around too much with competitive play and keep up a good game
Burn
It's been out a year. When I go to the game space there are always a ton of kids playing it.
Kids don't have money, their parents aren't going to pay 200+ for a box.
Investors moved in expecting price moves like in magic, but that won't happen as the demand isn't there for high dollar cards. Kids will be bought starter decks and single packs.
Plenty of adults play the game as well, like me. As for the cost, Ravensburger made it clear that they are selling a GAME. The Enchanteds are certainly chase cards and very much collectable, but that in and of itself doesn't create demand or value.
With time, I expect that the Enchanteds, promos, and prize support cards will raise in price. The cards used for the game, even the Legendaries, will ebb and flow as the meta changes, as it does with any card game with a healthy playerbase and developed meta. But nobody should be buying boxes of this stuff hoping to double their money in a year.
@@Xoulrath_they think Chase cards absolutely do at demand and value a contradicts what the word means dude
More Sorcery updates please!!
Comments Duly noted…. however the Lorcana card game is doing better than Fab, which you keep advocating for, it’s doing about as well as pokémon, there boxes with the exception of paldea evolved are also sitting at 108, 109…. just keeping it real, thanx for the great video
Great video, Rudy! Overall for a TCG that isn’t even a year old, Lorcana is in an extremely healthy spot. Boxes aren’t going to the moon immediatly, but aren’t going below distribution pricing at all. Very healthy and stable at the moment.
Not an investment - but a fun game for players and chase enchanted fir collectors. And strong IP following.
Smart product
The hype 100% died off.
Now booster boxes cost what they should be, $100.
7.2k views 6 hours ago. Booby trap from Tempest
Not for me but ehi good for everyone involved i wish you the best,thanks Rudy!
Also this channel comment section is alwais awesome i love it so much
It's a simple kids game not sure how they even have competitive tournaments.
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i dont own a lorcana product myself, but i know a couple of people that are into that, what i noticed, they are all fathers and buy those boxes for their daughters and plan to sell them when they are older and leave home
So even with lower box prices, lorcana is still more profitable for an lgs than mtg, got it.
Rudy you stop pumping and hyping it up duhhhh it was gonna tank eventually
When scalpers, ahem, sorry.... "investors", mass buy the first sets to the point that nobody can play the shit for the entire first year of the product it turns out the market flops because of loss of interest and the market stabilizes from there. Crazy.
but the first set is the most valuable now. i dont get it
Lorcana bathroom incoming
It is because there are games being ran much better than Lorcana. Its quite interesting that Rudy won't talk about Grand Archive TCG. Even though they have out performed many people's expectations. Does pretty much everything Rudy wants every card game to do properly and has been growing throughout the country.
nobody gives a shit about grand archive lol
Similar thing happening with Star Wars Unlimited
FOLKS! Tacos, Timmay's and Lorcana.
Lorcapoo...?
lol, you can’t compare an 100+ year old IP vs an ugly Pokémon rip off.
@@LoveStrangeDr since when is Disney a desirable IP? Have you looked through the Disney portfolio and how they are doing? If you buy and invest in any Disney product then your decision making is questionable at best
@@chaozboy9482 you think Disney has never faced the identity politics BS its facing today? Look up McCarthyism in the 50s. What's happening today is a joke compared to before. Disney will be fine, unlike Metazoo
One Piece did reprints on set 1 and it dropped to like $270 from $500 but is quickly selling
Are the reprinted boxes any different? Like copyright year, etc?
@@KyleBaran90 the bottom of the box is white instead of blue and some cards have different text, so some pre-errata cards like Nami and Law are seen more like a "first edition".
Them blue bottoms gonna have a 5x over white bottoms 30 years from now...
well...lorcana did a reprint and it barely moved the needle
The game is doing exactly the opposite of what I expected. Because the chase cards are kinda meh and expensive meh pack opening experience, collectors don't honestly care as much as I expected. Meanwhile, the player base seems strong with Magic players who grew tired of Hasbro. Very interesting dynamic
I wouldn't say that the Enchanteds are "meh," but you're certainly entitled to your own opinion. Now if you specifically mean Disney collectors, then yeah, I could see that. I believe that general card collectors like myself have been more than happy with the Enchanteds.
As for the cost of opening packs, it's $6 for a single booster or usually right at $5 for a box. You can probably get a case.for under $5 per pack. I'm not sure what card game you're playing that has cheaper packs than that, especially seeing as how Wizards just raised their prices again, and One Piece is still pricey.
I can tell you that the gameplay loop is extremely addictive, and VERY reminiscent of old school Magic. There are definitely some questionable design issues, like no maximum hand size. There also seems to be a very "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" thing going on with some of the cards, as they are literally just old Magic designs like A Whole New World, which is Wheel of Fortune but even stronger.
That said, there are meta decks that the community were rallying around during the Pixelborn days. But none of those decks were unbeatable without spending tons. You could very easily put together a budget deck and just be the better player and win a game. There is a lot of flexibility in deck design, and seemingly an answer for every new meta threat that is found.
Overall, it reminds me a lot of the old WoW TCG, but better. I loved that game more than Magic at the time, and now I feel the same way about Lorcana with current Magic. It's a shame really, because Hasbro did this to themselves.
Rudy give us the glizzy
Why no sorcery videos?
Need some box opening videos.
10% is good 🤣🤣🤣
I think it's because the game isn't fun 😅
the game is incredibly fun, there is just no marketing behind it.
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Do he say doo-doo?
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The game hasn’t even been out a year and they already have 5 sets. It’s literally coming out too fast for most of us to keep up.
Right
Lorcana has FOUR sets. The FOURTH set, Ursula's Return, only launched about a month ago. They release sets every THREE months. That is the old Magic release schedule. The only card game with too many releases and too many products is Hasbro Commander.
Have you heard of modern Magic?
1st
Rudy - “the feels soft to me”
Timmy - Well, Rudy knows things feeling soft… giggity
Floppy tacos
Not first?
Lorcana players are insufferable. Really hope the game fizzles.
Feel like one piece is finally starting to die down a little as well. My local lgs hasn’t had more than one case on release for any set and the new release set today they had over 3 cases so I feel like it’s getting better as well and minus the manga and some alt arts the game has been even more affordable it has ever been
Go woke go broke? My guess is it will have to go down in price or it will end up like Yugioh where kids watch the shows and adults play the game because the cards are too expensive and most parents are not going to buy them for kids. Especially when its literally gambling.
As a player playing the game. Ive enjoyed it since set 1 and am still enjoying it. Making fun brews. Currently my LGS decks are blue steel songs, purple steel brooms, and ruby steel pirates.
Lorcana cards collect dust at my local Wal-Mart. Ravensburger was greedy. They thought they could just copy and paste what Bandai did and would be successful. Shortprint everything, drive up demand and scalpers and fear of FOMO, and ride the money rainbow to crown town. And to be honest, the Bandai strategy is horrible for kids or the casual collector who just wants to own a few cards. They have to compete with the scalpers and resellers and 'professional gamers' who will sleep outside stores until they get restocked and then buy out everything that comes in. But Ravensburger screwed up in a few more ways. They thought they could leverage their premium license with Disney to charge a few dollars more per booster and people would pay it to own a Mickey Mouse card. They were wrong. And they designed boosters that are the least fun to open in practically any TCG on the market at the moment. Boosters need to have lots of shiny and pretty cards to make them exciting to open, so once you do jump through the hoops of fighting off the hordes of scalpers and resellers, you can bask in the glory of your full-art foil glossed signature fancy card. Every Lorcana pack has a foil version of a card, but it's usually just commons and uncommons, so it feels cheap. And then only the highest rarity card, Enchanted, comes foil guaranteed, and you're not even guaranteed an enchanted card in a booster box. It's just all a recipe to be underwhelmed when you finally crack that booster box open and walk away with a bunch of non-foil cards, a few foil commons.
Personally, I like having access to cards. I like seeing them at my local Wal-Mart and not having to order exclusively from TCGPlayer. I like not having to pay double or triple MSRP for every item that releases. The Bandai model has been horrible for the casual collector or player. And as someone who started playing TCGs when the Pokemon TCG released, I remember how Toys'R'Us had bins full of booster packs available. People wanted the cards because they were cool, not because they could resell them on eBay for triple MSRP. I remember walking into my LGS and seeing the new Naruto TCG and buying packs whenever I wanted, not ever having to worry about the store only getting in a few boxes and them being sold exclusively to pre-ordering customers and then there being nothing to sell in store. I wish we could go back to the old way TCGs were. Let MTG be the card game where long-term value matters. Let new card games be fun to collect, fun to play, and easy to find and purchase. Perhaps if new TCGs were this way, they'd have a better chance of being as successful as Pokemon was. Instead, we're going to see more Lorcanas. Flash in the pans. Once scalpers lose interest in them, the casual collector has already given up months ago and moved on. I hate to see it.
The hype is in all the playmats …
Lorcana always felt like a bad bet, bc Disney is in the business of making $ via volume. It’s what they do.
Singles value is pretty terrible. Especially compared to 1st & 2nd set. A few cards outside of legendary are worth a little.
How about the price of Tacos? Lets see some charts!
Sooo....How's POKEMON doing....?
I love Rudy's charisma. Listening to him in these videos is very enjoyable
It was a huge firework of hype, and then sudden silence
It probably could have maintained hype if the card art was good, but it's the weakest art of every single TCG (including Metazoo).
@@kid_gen Card art is subjective.
@@a1pha_star Not really, Lorcana art is so weak.
It's literally Disney art. What were you expecting?
Haven’t watched the video but they are full on with game pieces and don’t care about the second market lol if people were hoping to make easy money that time has passed unless you hit only enchanteds and are lucky lol
Weird, a GAME focused on GAME PIECES. What kind of fucking crazy, backwards ass world are we living in?!
@@Xoulrath_I sell pretty frequently but I can’t be mad when the owners of the game make the game affordable, I’m actually for it. The only time I disagree is magics reserve list reprinting….. because they do that 🤷🏼♂️ no complaints I like lorcana, I don’t play it but it’s interesting. I guess maybe now we won’t get a Disney/magic collab
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All Ravens need to do is have a banger set. I see this following the OP path. OP 1 through 4 were ok sets. Once OP-05 hit is when it really took off. At that time people were calling Op-05 the "Evolving Skies" of One Piece. Multiple Mangas, Beautiful SP cards, anniversary cards, and even a signed card. Evo Skies, the same with multiple Alt Arts. If I owned Lorcana that would be the first move I make around set 6 or 7. Second smart move for Ravens would be to fully redesign their cards. Add flare, better holos, signed cards, hell even serialized cards. Right now Lorcana has BEAUTIFUL cards that they unfortunately just giving out only at specific events. If those specific cards were in, say set 6, people would be going crazy to get their hands on boxes. I'll be the first one to tell you right now that I believe that all the Lorcana cards are boring to open, you can barley tell that a card is a holo, and are half assed designed. Make your "art" desirable and you will have more interest. What I love about One Piece, and I don't even like the IP, is the art style of each set differs from the last sets. Wanted Posters, Brilliant! Uber colorful SP cards, Brilliant! Calligraphy style drawings of characters, Brilliant! That's how OP is bringing people in that don't even care about the characters but they do care about beautiful art on cards
Lorcana more like Borecana
Tell me that you didn't play the game without telling me...
I don’t think $110 boxes are a bad thing for a game… I play one piece and I wish our boxes where 110 while the sets are in print
For context we are basically 50% over msrp from day one so I think one piece has the opposite problem
I've never seen a box for less than $120, which is $5 a pack. It's pretty reasonable given today's current card game pricing. That $110 price almost certainly doesn't include shipping, or it's from a massive seller who bought insane amounts of product to be able to sell that low. I'd expect a full case to dip below $5 per pack, but not a single box.
@@Xoulrath_ that’s true, but the MSRP from Bandai is 4.50 a pack and that still can’t be found anywhere so I guess I’m just saying I hope we can get there lol
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370k! We are so back Rudybros
First chapter is nearing $150 low
No it isn't. It's been slowly pushing up since the release of more product right before the tournaments started. They're $240 on TCGPlayer. It got down to about $200 at one point then started popping back up. First print boxes are still MUCH higher.
Rudy has a huge network of information. Speaking of slabs and grading, it makes me wonder if part of involving himself with that grading company was to get ""insider"" information (eg demand and card/singles flows)
Rudy are you gonna make an offer on Metazoo? You've talked a lot in the past about how things could have been done different in regards to print runs and management in many different TCG's so it seems like an opportunity for you, also because you initially had so high hopes for the IP.
I think it should be illegal for a adult male to collect Lorcana
I have one of each booster box to marinate
Sooo....How's TACO doing....?
I have 1 Lorcana card. D23 Expo Mickey, bought it before the game came out for $200
There are tons of fake D23 Mickeys so check for it. Even people that got it from ppl selling outside the con got scammed lol.
I don't know it's a fun game. Lorcana is basically old-fashioned mana resource oriented minion combat game, like a paper version of Hearthstone. Nothing new to us.
It's very similar to the WoW TCG, aka the paper version of Hearthstone. That was a great game. It's too bad that Blizzard let it die for the less good Hearthstone. Oh well.
when are you tube going to fix the comment section?