Its just technology. Dont be afraid. I mean i don't even know why you want to watch an auto race when there are horse races going on.@jamesemmeneckersr.1875
"Nascar is unrecognizable from 30 years ago". So is just about everything else. Old fans are dying off and new ones have to be cultivated. Being mired in the past forever is not going to work. Time passes, things change. Lead, follow or get out of the way.
@karenkoe7096 I just get out of the way. Taking everything back from the youths is gonna be simple, you can't read a map, can't read, or write cursive. So we're gonna write our battle plans in cursive on a map 😂🤣 we win go-getter.
If anyone has watched a formula E race , when the battery starts run low on power they pit under green and change cars , it dosent make any sense to double the expense !!
I don't want EV's any more than any of you folks, but the car swapping genuinely hasn't been the case in 9 years. In fact, this year, they're testing recharging while pitting because recharging has become viably quick. Like I said, i'll be damned if I support EV's taking over my favorite sport, but lets not embellish. It doesn't help legitimate arguments.
Would allow the drivers and crew enough time for a corn dog, nachos, a soft drink AND take a satisfying shit before resuming the race... who could possibly be against that? 😂
My husband was done when they started the chase for the championship. He always believed the most consistent team on top should win. That's what made them different than other sports.
2 things, wrecks should be real interesting now with the lithium battery fires being really spectacular and races will be a whole lot shorter since this thing can probably only make 25 full speed laps before it runs out of juice!
I go to Loudon for the sounds of the engines and the smell of the fuel. If you take that away, I’ll just stay home. I’d also ask how this change would affect pit stops and what do major crashes look like with volatile batteries in the cars?
Electric bicycles and scooters have a future. The electric car is at best a so so stop gap measure. I’ve been a fan of NASCAR since I saw the King in a 62 Plymouth. Not sure why NASCAR is wasting time on an EV. If anything build some Hydrogen muscle cars to test, get way ahead of the curve.
the only benefit with going "Lectric" would be hearing the drivers bitch about their race cars as they go by the grandstands! "HEY! did you hear that? Kenny needs another round of wedge!"
Or sound like your vacuum cleaners going by with that whiny sound, or that could be the drivers complaining, I cannot tell the difference if this is implemented, lol
Part of attending a race is the roar of those high horse engines. Going EV sounds like a silent IROC race and the only excitement would be a battery cell catching fire in a wreck.
The carbon footprint left behind from the mining industry to create the batteries for ev’s is way larger than combustion engines. The charging stations are powered by mainly fossil fuels.Dirt racing is the only true form of auto racing left!!
BINGO!!! You are exactly right Kevin!!! The practice of mining to extract the raw materials needed to produce the lithium batteries for EV's is BY FAR the most environmentally destructive feat ever undertaken by mankind.
Dirt racing is in danger. (On multiple fronts) We do zero to protect the interest of the industry. We fail to organize independently and with other firms of motorsports to lobby legislators and the government to secure protections against regulations. Our head in the sand while we turn to FB and social media to bitch and moan daily while sharing our opinions and cult partisan rhetoric won’t accomplish anything. We already fail to recognize the many other traditions and failed ideology that’s eroding the sport. Dirty racing is the only Authenticate form of racing and always has been. But it’s still struggles just the same. It’s also governed by antiquated ideology and irrational rules. This is especially true for modified racing. The rules are often stupendous, antiquated and void of common sense. As far as electrics foot print and waste, op is right. But that doesn’t justify the continuation of fossil fuel production cars or ex’s use its very real and tangible impact on our life. We need to continue to advance our research into alternative sources of stability. Regardless change is coming on a global scale. But it’s always interesting how Americans became so vulnerable that they got victimized by political propaganda spun in the late 80’s and heavily financed by the fossil fuel industry. How we protect one of the largest contributors to the manufactured inflation effecting our lives. Organizations that drove up costs during a pandemic while their cost of production and crude oil dropped more then 50%. A group of people whom bend us over the pump after yanking down our trousers daily. Those whom drove up the cost on every single thing we purchase at the store. Trillions in profit and sultans driving lambos through cities of gold while we put half our paycheck into gas to get groceries and get back to work. We are dumb AF.
@@donaldcreg5110electric isn’t the answer. Definitely not the permanent answer unless we Handel storage better. We can produce electric fairly inexpensive with little carbon footprint with modern tech. Electric motors are far more powerful and efficient then combustion. But although it’s not the permanent answer neither is the status quote. It’s our inert nature to defend that what’s universally bad for us while we willingly get screwed over. Look how quick we are to blame any President when fuel costs go up at the pump while Ignoring the data and refusing to push back against an industry that molests the hard working core of America and the world. Instead of rallying against an industry that’s directly responsible for the inflation of every single product in the world while production cost was at historic low, we instead turn to tribalistic partisan divisions blaming others. There’s zero logic to the dense of fossil fuels besides our own ignorance, fear of change and the effects of 40 years of highly financed, strategic, propaganda.
The pit stops will be tire changes, suspension changes, and there will be quick change batteries, slide a battery out and put a charged battery back into the vehicle. Just substituting batteries for gas. Teams are already trying pit crews to change the batteries out quickly! The "noise" will be piped in, according to where the cars are on the track.
I work for a company that handles the yard operation for a Toyota plant. They trying to make us go to electric yard trucks. They brought in 2 or 3 different ones and the batteries wouldn’t hold up long enough without charging them. To charge them they used a big caterpillar diesel generator. lol. Plus in this day’s environment you would end arguing over who’s car needs that charging station first and out comes the guns.
I went to a couple of warehouse in California that got them the drivers said the battery runs down to quick because they pull heavy loads moving the trls around
Test it at Daytona. How many laps at 190 mph, and how long to swap out battery pack? How will the driver be protected in the event of a major roll over, or The Big One, where a pack is ripped loose and exists the car bursting into flames?
@@kylereese4822Fuel cells are much easier to isolate, difficult to catastrophically rupture, and easy to extinguish in the event a fire does break out. A battey capable of sustaining race pace for anything like a reasonable amount of time is significantly harder to isolate from the driver, burns far longer and hotter, and cannot be reasonably extinguished or even suppressed by immediate response crews.
I know my RUclips channel says NC Blues Man, but, I am an old railroader. The government is on our back side about pumping carbon admissions in the air. About, maybe a dozen years ago, or so, Caterpillar built a locomotive called SD70ECO it runs on 75% electric / 35% diesel. Now, instead of pumping carbon admissions into air they now pump radiation in the air, and lots of it. I don't think electric engines are any safer for the environment than the gas, or diesel engines.
The whole experience at NASCAR is the sound . If you have ever been to Talladega on full green with those beasts screaming by in packs , you know what I mean.
imagine the risk for fans if one explodes in a crash let alone if many cars were involved in a crash in front of the stands many people will get hurt let alone the rescue personal saving them
Gas doesn’t catch fire? That’s news to me and millions of people. That “risk of fire” statement is null and void when comparing to gasoline vehicles. They burn too.
@@uncensored1948 Put it this way when a gas car burns the fire can be put out. When an EV burns ... well, good luck with that! Some road course race tracks have already banned using EV's on the track because you cant just put water on it.
@@ranndomundead9112Literally every single top-level GT and Open Wheel category runs single-lug wheels without problems. This is a team issue, not a tech issue.
NASCAR trying to race with electric vehicles? That doesn't make sense! At least NASCAR was decent enough to use rain tires and windshield wipers when they raced at Montreal in 2008. I should know, my sister and I watched it on ESPN when it first aired (I was 7 at the time.)
I don't know what its like where Kenny is. But up here in the Boston area there are Tesla's everywhere. Their probably good for city driving if you have place to plug in,and your only commuting +-50 miles a day. And you can plug in every night. But if everyone goes electric for cars,trucks,and aircraft. Cape Air,A small airline that services Cape Cod,and the Islands is planning on electric aircraft. I will not be in one of those thanks. But if we get into a situation like a Blizzard of 1978 the penalized this are for weeks. What do you do if all vehicles including emergency equipment aren't moving. Our infrastructure simply can not handle everything plugged in at once. The system can't handle every AC unit working during a heat wave now. Hopefully people come to their senses and realize that electric everything, isn't for everyone. Auto manufacturers are starting to rethink that all EV's won't work.
You can watch restored films of New York in 1910. There are more horses than cars, and then 20 years later, in 1930, there are no horses whatsoever. Something better came along. Change happens. People still race horses,
Dale Sr would kick down the doors of NASCAR and raise absolute hell if he saw this. Bet you he'd say "HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?!" and then some. Literally NASCAR has lost it's way since the early 2010's. We thought the "Car Of Tomorrow" was bad? This is "Car Of Tomorrows" child if it had a baby with rally racing cars. TAKE. IT. BACK. NASCAR does not need to go electric PERIOD. NASCAR has the all time greats turning in their graves with these one after the other STUPID decisions that the fans and drivers DO NOT WANT.
Methanol is methyl alcohol. It's production isn't much different from Ethanol or ethyl alcohol. We can either grow food, or we can grow crops to produce fuel. Which is more important? We've already sacreficed enough food crops for fuel crops. There's nothing wrong with having an electric racing series like F1 does. The problem is trying to force electric vehicles on the world. Also, when methanol burns, it burns clear.... Makes it hard to know when there's a fuel fire. Methanol also produces less energy (by volume) on combustion than gasoline does and requires much larger amounts to do so.
Does anyone remember about 20 some years ago when electric open wheel cars raced at PIR? There was an accident and the facility had to be evacuated because of the toxic fumes!
Put two slots in the track of the Colosium and then let each fan have a controller for their favorite driver's car. That's what I did as a kid but not with full size cars :-0)
They work in cold weather They just don't work in really cold weather like had a few weeks ago so yeah they better work on improving the technology of them chargers
Im not an American, but I did watch a nascar race live. Electric cars would kill the adrenaline rush of spectators that its just going to be a snooze fest. The thundering sounds of engines revving on fast cars passing by is a huge appeal for nascar. Might as well watch a slot car racing championship.
cut that state off and move it on out,lol.i agree wth ya herminater.love the celtics pic on the back wall.bird parrish and mchale.best front court ever.
As for these electric cars. Why can’t they have some kind of charger that would run off the rear wheels. To keep the batteries charged or extend the range?
the problem with that is it wont work. there is no such thing as a free lunch. in fact you would lose range because of wasted energy lost to parasitic losses (heat friction and internal resistance the thing is an electric car if it used a generator on the rear wheels is going to use more energy than it will ever produce unless you push it around with another power source.
Ah, yes, the inevitable "electric golf cart" comment. Have you seen the 0-60 times for quite a few of those "golf carts"? They'll bury anything ICE powered, unless you're willing to drop high six figures on a Koenigsegg.
Kenny your on the right track. I work and build engines at Hyundai. They have even had contacts with Toyota about hydrogen combustion engines. I personally feel that we as Americans should be the most efficient in ALL phases of propulsion that we use. Our power grid CANNOT provide consistently now as is.
@@jocalafarms4051 Ya, Welfair systems like social security and Medicare, unemployment insurance, free education, Covid relief, farming subsidies, tax relief and income tax credits. Oh wait thats all free shit you leverage at the cost or contribution if other tax payers that they don’t qualify for. Or do mean stuff like free living similar to the Honestead Act and Dawns act like your dead beat ancestors likely utilized when they floated over with their hands out? Pot calling the kettle black?
Great take Kenny,without getting political.( but that is exactly what it is, POLITICAL!) If NASCAR is actually serious,it will just continues the loss of more REAL fans and continue to strengthen ALL forms of dirt racing. This will play perfectly for High Limit and the World of Outlaws popularity.
Most families have 3 or 4 gas vehicles on average. Switching over to battery vehicles would be very expensive, especially as we watch electricity rates skyrocket over the next 10 years. In my state it increased 16% beginning this year.
Recently I watched my first Race (Altlanta) and I am so impressed about the sound, speed and the action that I will come back in September and I have already tickets for Talladega too. BTW, I am coming all the way from Germany!
I have concerns about fires with these batteries. They don’t recommend water due to spread of hazardous materials, or if you do, contain run off, problem is, even after putting them out, they still rekindle. In a rush to fix what is perceived to be one problem to create another is careless. I have to agree with you Kenny. Well stated..
I've maintained this stance since the first word of hybrid/electric power in NASCAR. The best way to implement an Electric car into the NASCAR fold is to bring back the old Dash Series. Call it the NASCAR eDash Series, run compact cars like this test vehicle in shorter length, 50-100 lap events on short tracks across the southeast and leave the current top series alone completely. The FIA has Formula E and Formula 1. They aren't replacing F1 with Formula E, they co-exist and cater different fans. So too should a NASCAR electric series along with the top 3 series of NASCAR...
Would the entire driving population just wait in line for 1 hour intervals. The shit don't work. The modern automobile took over a hundred years to reach the point we're at, but we're going to flip a switch in 10 years.
wrong, throttle bodies started in 87 with the 4.3 V6 only you had an option of throttle body or a 480 4 barrel carb but all v8s came with a 625 4 barrel carb all the way up to 88@@scottcash
There's a lot of merit to hydrogen fueled engines. They would be more sustainable then electric. EV car batteries are bad for the environment. Engines, as we know them, can be mostly recycled. Politics is driving the policy of American industry. This only hurts America.
I mean, people will complain about whatever NASCAR does or doesn't do, anyway. And I think your "we need a little bit of everything" statement is very good. Yes, I think electric cars are a good idea, but they shouldn't be the end-all be-all for reducing emissions. I think a world where we can make use of all these different fuels and not have excess pollution would be great.
The way NASCAR is going, I think maybe it’s going the wrong direction. It needs to go backwards rather than forward especially with electric vehicles. Carburetors, open headers, at least 750HP. That’s NASCAR and racing. No computers!
Completely agree with you there Herm. I would love to see your reaction to New Zealand stockcar/superstock racing, especially teams racing which is the event Bobby Pierce is racing in a support class this weekend. I personally love out stockcar/superstock racing here I have even worked on the cars myself.
EV is gonna run for about 10-20 laps and charge for a couple of hours. My neighbor has one and can't take it out of town and his electric bill has gone up WAY more than he would have spent in gas.
Your neighbor is lying to you about the charging cost. I have a Tesla long range, it costs $11 to charge it up to full from less than 5% on my home charger.
Absolutely zero need for EV Nascar. Nascar is all about the drivers and their personalities. It used to also be about cars until they made them all the same. If you want EV racing, Formula E is actually an excellent series and fills that niche sufficiently.
Can't wait to see the pit stops with an EV! Will it do 500 miles on a charge? Or are the races reduced to 100 miles. Like I said before when JJ was crying the races are tooooooo long: Let's just do a warm up lap then qualifying lap and then an all out speed lap! The fastest time is the winner, three laps and we can go home.
One downside of H2 cars on the road in the US is that there are 54 H2 stations in the country. 53 of them are in California. And no, they're not saying that "every car has to be electrical by 2050". They're saying you won't be able to buy a _new_ ICE car in California. But you'll be able to buy a year old ICE vehicle.
Your right, I think personally that the internal combustion engine is the best option for the majority of the country. Sure big high populated cities could run a lot of electric but everywhere else the combustion engine is the way or hybrid. Even hybrid doesn’t do us country folk much good. To many hills to make a difference lol. Just work on fuel efficiency more !
The power grid up here in Connecticut already cant handle the demand when we turn on the air-conditioning. And now they want to add all of us trying to charge our vehicles. Ridiculous
It's actually really close to the petrol's performance, I think you're all missing something amazing here. with the weight increase, they'll need higher banked tracks creating higher speeds. the sound of tires and winds above 230 MPH IS AMAZING!! the roar of just WIND! I've done it. you don't know what you are missing.
I have no problem with them doing R&D on an electric race car. The updated car was designed to use a variety of drivetrains. I view this as R&D and publicity. Even if it goes somewhere, it would take many years, I think. There are lots of of issues to work out, as mentioned in the video. I'm curious how the electric torque will translate on that little track as far as lap times compared to the current car. I expect little difference, but I would expect the driving experience would feel very different, so it would be good to hear Ragan's thoughts on it. I haven't kept up with the hydrogen development other than having heard Toyota has backed its development more than others, and that for combustion, storing it is the issue due to energy density. No matter which direction things go, there seems to be one or two major issues to deal with.
i'm curious about the safety aspect. With current gas powered race cars we know how to deal with fires and clean ups after a wreck whether one car or multiple cars. What will change with batteries in the cars in the event of a crash, will it rupture a cell, will it explode with a driver in the seat, how can they extinguish it, how will they clean a track if it ruptures and leaves debris on the surface. All these things affects the people on the teams and in the stands. I don't know what the other EV racing series do but they better have a hard look at the safety aspect of all this. And if i was a crew member I won't want to be around them until there are some new procedures put in place around these things. Hell even at their shops putting them together would add new hazards.... food for thought....
I like the semi smart electronic engine controls..... Like 1996-mid 2000's on most of the American built stuff. Don't just go into limp mode over bad plugs or coils like some of the newer ones do. 😅 Thought the 2013 avenger I had was blowing up but it was a bad coil and old plugs. Current truck still has the plugs/wires it had in it when it got it running just fine no clue how old they r.
In 1971 I started telling my friends to never buy a car built after 1973. Before cats, before computers. Personally I even prefer manual crank windows. I have spent years working on newer cars and I always marvel at how easy it is to work on a 1966 Chevelle compared to working on a new Malibu.
You’re exactly right Herm, I think if NASCAR did go to 100% electric it would be the final nail in their coffin. Great job!
if you go to the Clash BOO this car
@@speediepitstop1531. 1/2 the crowd is just there for the concert.
Go woke... Go Broke... maybe Nascar is broke ...they just don't know it yet😂
Its just technology. Dont be afraid.
I mean i don't even know why you want to watch an auto race when there are horse races going on.@jamesemmeneckersr.1875
Do any of you watch imsa?
I haven’t watched a nascar race in years. This would put a nail in the coffin.
Hand me the hammer.
What's funny is that the newer fans are already saying Nascar is trying to change to much. Nascar is unrecognizable from 30 years ago. Thanks Herm
"Nascar is unrecognizable from 30 years ago". So is just about everything else. Old fans are dying off and new ones have to be cultivated. Being mired in the past forever is not going to work. Time passes, things change. Lead, follow or get out of the way.
@karenkoe7096 I just get out of the way. Taking everything back from the youths is gonna be simple, you can't read a map, can't read, or write cursive. So we're gonna write our battle plans in cursive on a map 😂🤣 we win go-getter.
EV's suck! Green new scam!
*too much., You young guys don't take the time to spell correctly like us aging baby boomers.
@@shimshonbendan8730 As a young guy I take my time to spell.
If anyone has watched a formula E race , when the battery starts run low on power they pit under green and change cars , it dosent make any sense to double the expense !!
Not anymore they don't. Technology has advanced past that for them.
It’s not supposed to make sense it just supposed to get people divided just like we’re divided on everything else.
I don't want EV's any more than any of you folks, but the car swapping genuinely hasn't been the case in 9 years. In fact, this year, they're testing recharging while pitting because recharging has become viably quick.
Like I said, i'll be damned if I support EV's taking over my favorite sport, but lets not embellish. It doesn't help legitimate arguments.
Boring as hell.electrics.
Boutta be the daytona 250
Pit stops will be interesting when they park for 3 hours to charge the batteries.
If not longer
Battery swap seconds.
SOLID STATE BATTERIES ARE DOWN TO LESS THAN 15 MINS FOR A FULL CHARGE....
Would allow the drivers and crew enough time for a corn dog, nachos, a soft drink AND take a satisfying shit before resuming the race... who could possibly be against that? 😂
@@lawrencefranck9417the battery in an electric vehicle takes up the whole floor
With all the stage cautions and natural cautions and a 2 hour recharge stoppage should be a lot of time to pray it goes back to normal racing . 😅😅😅
If Nascar goes electric, I'm done.
My husband was done when they started the chase for the championship. He always believed the most consistent team on top should win. That's what made them different than other sports.
You gona drive your nascar down I-95 😂😂😂😂
No your not
You won't be, you love NASCAR too much
I was done when it wasn't Stock Car
2 things, wrecks should be real interesting now with the lithium battery fires being really spectacular and races will be a whole lot shorter since this thing can probably only make 25 full speed laps before it runs out of juice!
if we just limit their top speed we can increase their run time. lets keep them at around 40 mph, because that would be fun.
I go to Loudon for the sounds of the engines and the smell of the fuel. If you take that away, I’ll just stay home. I’d also ask how this change would affect pit stops and what do major crashes look like with volatile batteries in the cars?
It would ruin them.
I wish the fuel still had that great smell it use to though
@@davids5006 Agreed…
Batteries are not volatile. They can be flammable, though.
Electric bicycles and scooters have a future. The electric car is at best a so so stop gap measure. I’ve been a fan of NASCAR since I saw the King in a 62 Plymouth. Not sure why NASCAR is wasting time on an EV. If anything build some Hydrogen muscle cars to test, get way ahead of the curve.
10 minutes of racing, 2 hours of charging, 10 minutes of racing, 2 hours of charging. Rinse and repeat
the only benefit with going "Lectric" would be hearing the drivers bitch about their race cars as they go by the grandstands! "HEY! did you hear that? Kenny needs another round of wedge!"
You'd hear them cursing in the cars. The f bomb for sure.lol
Or sound like your vacuum cleaners going by with that whiny sound, or that could be the drivers complaining, I cannot tell the difference if this is implemented, lol
Part of attending a race is the roar of those high horse engines. Going EV sounds like a silent IROC race and the only excitement would be a battery cell catching fire in a wreck.
The carbon footprint left behind from the mining industry to create the batteries for ev’s is way larger than combustion engines. The charging stations are powered by mainly fossil fuels.Dirt racing is the only true form of auto racing left!!
If I'm some what correct 100% of a internal combustion engine is recyclable.
E V battery 🔋 maybe 10%
BINGO!!! You are exactly right Kevin!!! The practice of mining to extract the raw materials needed to produce the lithium batteries for EV's is BY FAR the most environmentally destructive feat ever undertaken by mankind.
I think you're right too, Donald. @@donaldcreg5110
Dirt racing is in danger. (On multiple fronts) We do zero to protect the interest of the industry. We fail to organize independently and with other firms of motorsports to lobby legislators and the government to secure protections against regulations. Our head in the sand while we turn to FB and social media to bitch and moan daily while sharing our opinions and cult partisan rhetoric won’t accomplish anything. We already fail to recognize the many other traditions and failed ideology that’s eroding the sport. Dirty racing is the only Authenticate form of racing and always has been. But it’s still struggles just the same. It’s also governed by antiquated ideology and irrational rules. This is especially true for modified racing. The rules are often stupendous, antiquated and void of common sense.
As far as electrics foot print and waste, op is right. But that doesn’t justify the continuation of fossil fuel production cars or ex’s use its very real and tangible impact on our life. We need to continue to advance our research into alternative sources of stability. Regardless change is coming on a global scale. But it’s always interesting how Americans became so vulnerable that they got victimized by political propaganda spun in the late 80’s and heavily financed by the fossil fuel industry. How we protect one of the largest contributors to the manufactured inflation effecting our lives. Organizations that drove up costs during a pandemic while their cost of production and crude oil dropped more then 50%. A group of people whom bend us over the pump after yanking down our trousers daily. Those whom drove up the cost on every single thing we purchase at the store. Trillions in profit and sultans driving lambos through cities of gold while we put half our paycheck into gas to get groceries and get back to work. We are dumb AF.
@@donaldcreg5110electric isn’t the answer. Definitely not the permanent answer unless we Handel storage better. We can produce electric fairly inexpensive with little carbon footprint with modern tech. Electric motors are far more powerful and efficient then combustion. But although it’s not the permanent answer neither is the status quote. It’s our inert nature to defend that what’s universally bad for us while we willingly get screwed over. Look how quick we are to blame any President when fuel costs go up at the pump while Ignoring the data and refusing to push back against an industry that molests the hard working core of America and the world. Instead of rallying against an industry that’s directly responsible for the inflation of every single product in the world while production cost was at historic low, we instead turn to tribalistic partisan divisions blaming others. There’s zero logic to the dense of fossil fuels besides our own ignorance, fear of change and the effects of 40 years of highly financed, strategic, propaganda.
The pit stops will be tire changes, suspension changes, and there will be quick change batteries, slide a battery out and put a charged battery back into the vehicle. Just substituting batteries for gas. Teams are already trying pit crews to change the batteries out quickly! The "noise" will be piped in, according to where the cars are on the track.
It'll be the final nail in the coffin of NASCAR. Make it a Pace Car.
Make it the car that Monster Trucks crush before the race!
Great idea. Make it the pace car so Nascar can say they have an EV on the track.
Electricity runs the pumps that put gas in your car. As for stock cars, the only thing stock is the brand name printed on the body.
I work for a company that handles the yard operation for a Toyota plant. They trying to make us go to electric yard trucks. They brought in 2 or 3 different ones and the batteries wouldn’t hold up long enough without charging them. To charge them they used a big caterpillar diesel generator. lol. Plus in this day’s environment you would end arguing over who’s car needs that charging station first and out comes the guns.
big caterpillar diesel lmao
Sounds about right.... Toyota plant close to me has the guards using them and they just laugh at them
I went to a couple of warehouse in California that got them the drivers said the battery runs down to quick because they pull heavy loads moving the trls around
Toyota gave up on their electric car program in favor of hydrogen.
HICEV, Hydrogen combustion Engine is the way to go, not the stupid hydro fuel cells or electric
Ford and GM have both announced that they are abandoning their electric vehicle lines just recently.
Keep doing what you are doing Kenny. you always tell it like it is 🎉
Test it at Daytona. How many laps at 190 mph, and how long to swap out battery pack? How will the driver be protected in the event of a major roll over, or The Big One, where a pack is ripped loose and exists the car bursting into flames?
Gasoline is flammable too of didn't you know that...
@@kylereese4822Fuel cells are much easier to isolate, difficult to catastrophically rupture, and easy to extinguish in the event a fire does break out. A battey capable of sustaining race pace for anything like a reasonable amount of time is significantly harder to isolate from the driver, burns far longer and hotter, and cannot be reasonably extinguished or even suppressed by immediate response crews.
Haven't watched a NASCAR race in three years and don't miss it. Wouldn't bother me a bit if NASCAR went away.
This would be suicide for NASCAR.. if they did that I will continue watching dirt and shortrack just like Mr. Kenny is helping bring back!!
Wonder how they’ll put that fire out those things burn for hours
Excellent commentary! 100 % agree. Especially with the “shove them down my throat” part..
What would Dale Earnhardt Sr. and Bill France Jr. have to say about this?
They'd be standing in their graves saying WTF?
Dale Sr would throw lug nuts at EVs
SHOW ME THE MONEY--- THEY ONLY GAVE A SHIT ABOUT THE MONEY
and Junior Johnson. You can't fill with moonshine..
For the right amount of money they would of supported it😂
I know my RUclips channel says NC Blues Man, but, I am an old railroader. The government is on our back side about pumping carbon admissions in the air. About, maybe a dozen years ago, or so, Caterpillar built a locomotive called SD70ECO it runs on 75% electric / 35% diesel. Now, instead of pumping carbon admissions into air they now pump radiation in the air, and lots of it. I don't think electric engines are any safer for the environment than the gas, or diesel engines.
Radiation?
Baseball cards on the wheels, noise problem solved 😮. Cheers Herman
EVs too quiet....switch to studded tires......that would be awesome ....lol
The whole experience at NASCAR is the sound .
If you have ever been to Talladega on full green with those beasts screaming by in packs , you know what I mean.
Imagine the risk of fire with EV for the driver ?
The fire's come from the fumes and pressure of the battery. Combustion engine's better.
imagine the risk for fans if one explodes in a crash let alone if many cars were involved in a crash in front of the stands many people will get hurt let alone the rescue personal saving them
Gas doesn’t catch fire? That’s news to me and millions of people.
That “risk of fire” statement is null and void when comparing to gasoline vehicles. They burn too.
Gasoline cars do catch fire, but they could be put out... e VS cannot.@@uncensored1948
@@uncensored1948 Put it this way when a gas car burns the fire can be put out. When an EV burns ... well, good luck with that! Some road course race tracks have already banned using EV's on the track because you cant just put water on it.
The sound is so much of the sport and look at sales. Consumers do not want to buy electric vehicles. So manufacturers are in a fkn mess.
I forgot, five lug nuts!!!
I haven’t yet seen a “stock” car with one lug nut. Change the name from NASCAR to NAAR
They may as well. What part of a "Stock Car" is still Stock?
one lug is such a safety hazard and huge liability. a driver, fan, or someone in the infield is gonna get killed from a loose tire oneday
Your really think the cars that were running a few years ago with 5 lug nuts were "Stock" ...please
@@ranndomundead9112Literally every single top-level GT and Open Wheel category runs single-lug wheels without problems. This is a team issue, not a tech issue.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 Go watch nascar races before single lugs and tell me how often wheels are barrelling around the track at 150mph.
EV racer has minor fender bender on track and starts shooting out flames everywhere.
Imagine having to go to a concert and everyone has to wear headphones!
NASCAR trying to race with electric vehicles? That doesn't make sense! At least NASCAR was decent enough to use rain tires and windshield wipers when they raced at Montreal in 2008. I should know, my sister and I watched it on ESPN when it first aired (I was 7 at the time.)
Zip ties in the wheel holes will give you noise 😂
And baseball cards !
How there going to be aloud to drive over 200 mph in a microwave but can’t in an actual car
I don't know what its like where Kenny is. But up here in the Boston area there are Tesla's everywhere. Their probably good for city driving if you have place to plug in,and your only commuting +-50 miles a day. And you can plug in every night. But if everyone goes electric for cars,trucks,and aircraft. Cape Air,A small airline that services Cape Cod,and the Islands is planning on electric aircraft. I will not be in one of those thanks. But if we get into a situation like a Blizzard of 1978 the penalized this are for weeks. What do you do if all vehicles including emergency equipment aren't moving. Our infrastructure simply can not handle everything plugged in at once. The system can't handle every AC unit working during a heat wave now. Hopefully people come to their senses and realize that electric everything, isn't for everyone. Auto manufacturers are starting to rethink that all EV's won't work.
You can watch restored films of New York in 1910. There are more horses than cars, and then 20 years later, in 1930, there are no horses whatsoever. Something better came along. Change happens. People still race horses,
If I want to watch electric cars I'd but a slot car set
It would be more fun and I wouldn't have to pay the ridiculous amount of money for tickets
Good analysis Kenny. I'm just dreading that day if it ever comes.
Dale Sr would kick down the doors of NASCAR and raise absolute hell if he saw this. Bet you he'd say "HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?!" and then some. Literally NASCAR has lost it's way since the early 2010's. We thought the "Car Of Tomorrow" was bad? This is "Car Of Tomorrows" child if it had a baby with rally racing cars.
TAKE. IT. BACK.
NASCAR does not need to go electric PERIOD. NASCAR has the all time greats turning in their graves with these one after the other STUPID decisions that the fans and drivers DO NOT WANT.
Dale senior is dead because he refused to strap his helmet...sooo
Herm, you're priceless! I'll ride shot gun with ya anytime in that ole combustible veehical my brother. Godamn "electrical" cars lol
Would make good yard art
Gee.... I wonder what materials they use to make the battery...tires .. and metal parts that make up the entire car...
I don't understand why they don't just use a renewable fuel like Methanol.
Methanol is methyl alcohol. It's production isn't much different from Ethanol or ethyl alcohol. We can either grow food, or we can grow crops to produce fuel. Which is more important? We've already sacreficed enough food crops for fuel crops. There's nothing wrong with having an electric racing series like F1 does. The problem is trying to force electric vehicles on the world.
Also, when methanol burns, it burns clear.... Makes it hard to know when there's a fuel fire. Methanol also produces less energy (by volume) on combustion than gasoline does and requires much larger amounts to do so.
@@aaronthomas6155sprint cars don't have a horsepower problem running methanol
NASCAR has be over for years, it just doesn't no it yet.
Does anyone remember about 20 some years ago when electric open wheel cars raced at PIR? There was an accident and the facility had to be evacuated because of the toxic fumes!
Put two slots in the track of the Colosium and then let each fan have a controller for their favorite driver's car. That's what I did as a kid but not with full size cars :-0)
That's the future of drag racing gonna look like.
The world runs on oil people Love ya Kenny
One day it won't. Not in our lifetime though.
I see no reason we can't have an EV series. Hell I have watched lawn tractor racing. If it races I will watch it.
The charging stations don't work in the cold weather.
They work in cold weather They just don't work in really cold weather like had a few weeks ago so yeah they better work on improving the technology of them chargers
Work ok in Norway and Artic Circle...
@@kylereese4822Failed miserably in Chicago
They can insulate them better.
lol so aside of orange trees here in New England global warmings got another plus!
I don't think any of the elite series will go electric. But I definitely see them doing a NASCAR Eseries within next couple years
NOOOOO!! Need to have the mighty V8 Sound mate. No EV crap. 🙂
Im not an American, but I did watch a nascar race live. Electric cars would kill the adrenaline rush of spectators that its just going to be a snooze fest. The thundering sounds of engines revving on fast cars passing by is a huge appeal for nascar. Might as well watch a slot car racing championship.
NASCAR is the dog n phony show what you just said is so true keep going
cut that state off and move it on out,lol.i agree wth ya herminater.love the celtics pic on the back wall.bird parrish and mchale.best front court ever.
Kenny, you doing the sounds would be great!
As for these electric cars. Why can’t they have some kind of charger that would run off the rear wheels. To keep the batteries charged or extend the range?
Good question
That what regen is... just not yet available to regen the power needed for racing aka 800volts/500kw or more...
the problem with that is it wont work. there is no such thing as a free lunch. in fact you would lose range because of wasted energy lost to parasitic losses (heat friction and internal resistance the thing is an electric car if it used a generator on the rear wheels is going to use more energy than it will ever produce unless you push it around with another power source.
Electric Golf carts in the pits are great!
Ah, yes, the inevitable "electric golf cart" comment. Have you seen the 0-60 times for quite a few of those "golf carts"? They'll bury anything ICE powered, unless you're willing to drop high six figures on a Koenigsegg.
Kenny your on the right track. I work and build engines at Hyundai. They have even had contacts with Toyota about hydrogen combustion engines. I personally feel that we as Americans should be the most efficient in ALL phases of propulsion that we use. Our power grid CANNOT provide consistently now as is.
368 million in America now 8 million more have come across the border recently and they thank you all for your free hospitality 😄
Plus, the free everything they get
@@jocalafarms4051 Ya, Welfair systems like social security and Medicare, unemployment insurance, free education, Covid relief, farming subsidies, tax relief and income tax credits. Oh wait thats all free shit you leverage at the cost or contribution if other tax payers that they don’t qualify for. Or do mean stuff like free living similar to the Honestead Act and Dawns act like your dead beat ancestors likely utilized when they floated over with their hands out? Pot calling the kettle black?
8 million 😂 lol try double that
Id be scared of a bad wreck and them battery's will short out that will be the next death at a track it will be bad
Pit Stops be like 2 hrs. long for a recharge. Time for a PB&J sandwich 🥪! Just let the drivers have a controller and they can have a full size RC car.
Days of thunder, they had time for ice cream
Or make them so they have enough battery that they don't need to recharge
@@timhefty504 Not possible at this time!
In 2005... oh wait it`s 2024...
Pit stops are no longer for re-fueling- now they will be for re-charging. You are right.
I love it Kenny all the car sounds you should make are perfect lol.
Great take Kenny,without getting political.( but that is exactly what it is, POLITICAL!)
If NASCAR is actually serious,it will just continues the loss of more REAL fans and continue to strengthen ALL forms of dirt racing.
This will play perfectly for High Limit and the World of Outlaws popularity.
Most families have 3 or 4 gas vehicles on average. Switching over to battery vehicles would be very expensive, especially as we watch electricity rates skyrocket over the next 10 years. In my state it increased 16% beginning this year.
Spot on Kenny sounds like listening to myself!😂
watch the Model S Plaid doing 216mph on a runway...
The only way I would watch a NASCAR EV race is if the Herminators voice did the sound effects 😂😂😂 👍🏻🏁.
Seems like it would be like watching a slot car race. wow and wow again
Recently I watched my first Race (Altlanta) and I am so impressed about the sound, speed and the action that I will come back in September and I have already tickets for Talladega too. BTW, I am coming all the way from Germany!
NASCAR goes electric an I’ll drop NASCAR like a hot potato . I’ve never said that before no matter how many ups downs I’ve been through with them
It's a damn Tesla lol
I have concerns about fires with these batteries. They don’t recommend water due to spread of hazardous materials, or if you do, contain run off, problem is, even after putting them out, they still rekindle. In a rush to fix what is perceived to be one problem to create another is careless. I have to agree with you Kenny. Well stated..
I've maintained this stance since the first word of hybrid/electric power in NASCAR. The best way to implement an Electric car into the NASCAR fold is to bring back the old Dash Series. Call it the NASCAR eDash Series, run compact cars like this test vehicle in shorter length, 50-100 lap events on short tracks across the southeast and leave the current top series alone completely. The FIA has Formula E and Formula 1. They aren't replacing F1 with Formula E, they co-exist and cater different fans. So too should a NASCAR electric series along with the top 3 series of NASCAR...
I agree with you there is not enough charging station to supply the country,or enough supply if there was to meet the needs.
Tesla passes 500-000 charging stations...
Would the entire driving population just wait in line for 1 hour intervals. The shit don't work. The modern automobile took over a hundred years to reach the point we're at, but we're going to flip a switch in 10 years.
Then they wonder why attendance keeps declining. Cheese and rice, Batman!
Can we get stock back in stock car?
They quit putting carburetors on cars in 1987 not the 70s, chey 87 pickups and passenger cars came with a 4 barrel carb.
Those were throttle bodies, not carburators
wrong, throttle bodies started in 87 with the 4.3 V6 only you had an option of throttle body or a 480 4 barrel carb but all v8s came with a 625 4 barrel carb all the way up to 88@@scottcash
Actually oldsmobile still used a quadra jet on the 307 through 1990 in their station wagons
@@scottcashWRONG !
Could they be used to rubber the track?
As a Californian I say… you are absolutely right!!!
The car looks like an old Reebok shoe from the early 2000s😂
The big benefit of hydrogen is only water comes out of your exhaust
the big benefit of gasoline is that it smells awesome.
There's a lot of merit to hydrogen fueled engines. They would be more sustainable then electric. EV car batteries are bad for the environment. Engines, as we know them, can be mostly recycled. Politics is driving the policy of American industry. This only hurts America.
Water on the racetrack, that will be wonderful 😂
Tanks at 15-000-30-000psi...
so what do you do about all the water, its gotta go some where
I mean, people will complain about whatever NASCAR does or doesn't do, anyway. And I think your "we need a little bit of everything" statement is very good. Yes, I think electric cars are a good idea, but they shouldn't be the end-all be-all for reducing emissions. I think a world where we can make use of all these different fuels and not have excess pollution would be great.
The way NASCAR is going, I think maybe it’s going the wrong direction. It needs to go backwards rather than forward especially with electric vehicles. Carburetors, open headers, at least 750HP. That’s NASCAR and racing. No computers!
I wish the SRX series was on tv more. Its getting better than Nascar
Completely agree with you there Herm. I would love to see your reaction to New Zealand stockcar/superstock racing, especially teams racing which is the event Bobby Pierce is racing in a support class this weekend. I personally love out stockcar/superstock racing here I have even worked on the cars myself.
Kenny you are awesome
Agree with you 100% Herman Great job! Loved interview with John Force
EV is gonna run for about 10-20 laps and charge for a couple of hours. My neighbor has one and can't take it out of town and his electric bill has gone up WAY more than he would have spent in gas.
Your neighbor is lying to you about the charging cost. I have a Tesla long range, it costs $11 to charge it up to full from less than 5% on my home charger.
Absolutely zero need for EV Nascar. Nascar is all about the drivers and their personalities. It used to also be about cars until they made them all the same. If you want EV racing, Formula E is actually an excellent series and fills that niche sufficiently.
Can't wait to see the pit stops with an EV! Will it do 500 miles on a charge? Or are the races reduced to 100 miles. Like I said before when JJ was crying the races are tooooooo long: Let's just do a warm up lap then qualifying lap and then an all out speed lap! The fastest time is the winner, three laps and we can go home.
They already reduced laps on a bunch of tracks. What about coke 600?
One downside of H2 cars on the road in the US is that there are 54 H2 stations in the country. 53 of them are in California. And no, they're not saying that "every car has to be electrical by 2050". They're saying you won't be able to buy a _new_ ICE car in California. But you'll be able to buy a year old ICE vehicle.
I can’t wait for the General Electric vs Siemens rivalry to hit the track 🤣😅
Zeeker quad motor 001 FR 1300hp.... The 800-volt architecture allows the Zeekr 001 FR to charge its 100kWh battery from 10% to 80% in just 15 minutes.
You forgot Allen Bradly
Love ya Kenny!
Great vid!
So if these catch fire? How are they gonna put it out?
Your right, I think personally that the internal combustion engine is the best option for the majority of the country. Sure big high populated cities could run a lot of electric but everywhere else the combustion engine is the way or hybrid. Even hybrid doesn’t do us country folk much good. To many hills to make a difference lol. Just work on fuel efficiency more !
The power grid up here in Connecticut already cant handle the demand when we turn on the air-conditioning. And now they want to add all of us trying to charge our vehicles. Ridiculous
It's actually really close to the petrol's performance, I think you're all missing something amazing here. with the weight increase, they'll need higher banked tracks creating higher speeds. the sound of tires and winds above 230 MPH IS AMAZING!! the roar of just WIND! I've done it. you don't know what you are missing.
I have no problem with them doing R&D on an electric race car. The updated car was designed to use a variety of drivetrains. I view this as R&D and publicity. Even if it goes somewhere, it would take many years, I think. There are lots of of issues to work out, as mentioned in the video. I'm curious how the electric torque will translate on that little track as far as lap times compared to the current car. I expect little difference, but I would expect the driving experience would feel very different, so it would be good to hear Ragan's thoughts on it.
I haven't kept up with the hydrogen development other than having heard Toyota has backed its development more than others, and that for combustion, storing it is the issue due to energy density. No matter which direction things go, there seems to be one or two major issues to deal with.
i'm curious about the safety aspect. With current gas powered race cars we know how to deal with fires and clean ups after a wreck whether one car or multiple cars. What will change with batteries in the cars in the event of a crash, will it rupture a cell, will it explode with a driver in the seat, how can they extinguish it, how will they clean a track if it ruptures and leaves debris on the surface. All these things affects the people on the teams and in the stands. I don't know what the other EV racing series do but they better have a hard look at the safety aspect of all this. And if i was a crew member I won't want to be around them until there are some new procedures put in place around these things. Hell even at their shops putting them together would add new hazards.... food for thought....
I like the semi smart electronic engine controls..... Like 1996-mid 2000's on most of the American built stuff. Don't just go into limp mode over bad plugs or coils like some of the newer ones do. 😅 Thought the 2013 avenger I had was blowing up but it was a bad coil and old plugs. Current truck still has the plugs/wires it had in it when it got it running just fine no clue how old they r.
In 1971 I started telling my friends to never buy a car built after 1973. Before cats, before computers. Personally I even prefer manual crank windows. I have spent years working on newer cars and I always marvel at how easy it is to work on a 1966 Chevelle compared to working on a new Malibu.