Why Gear 5 Luffy VS Baryon Mode Naruto IS NOT CLOSE….
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i like u fancy words anime guy
Nah peak comment right here lmao
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@@sbthesage2100 is anime luffy continental levels
With is gear 5
@@TashaneYoung-cl3vb multi-continent continent, mftl ranges
Even if Naruto destroy Luffy he still will not be able to avoid Luffy making him part of his crew 😭
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True, they friends fr fr
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@@darkestasian6921even irl they creators are friends
@@darkestasian6921 just wait until naruto finds out how those weak towns are treated by Kaido lol Naruto gonna rage
"Naruto is universal+"
Alright man im gone
Luffy would win because of the drawbacks of baryon mode and luffy has the powers of imagination and he can redirect fireballs with the ground and all naruto can do is the rasengan
Naruto doesn't need bm to beat luffy but naruto isn't uni hes at least star lvl and solar system lvl at best he still shits on luffy in base🤷♂️
youre so slow lol. His AP is Uni+ but that i disagree. Id say its solar system lvl. Either way Naruto slams
Yeah still I can't believe Naruto is universal but with comparing Momoshiki feats (Creating parallel dimensions, absorbing energy from parallel universe,destroying multiple stars etc ) Yeah Baryon mod is way stronger so he may universal
@@gachaelijah0451 Luffy wouldn't make it past sasuke.
Sengoku and admirals- “whitebeard can destroy the world” apparently not a feat
Obito and black zetsu- “its a time space” valid
At least I’m not the only one that realized he shot down a lot of claims from OP but hyped up Naruto characters.
@@Dredey04 dawg he even downplayed actual anime/manga feats in op and used the databook for naruto….
We see feats of it that’s why Kaguya was literally performing feats of reality warping and changing dimensions through time & space
@@GTS-dh9wj traveling through dimensions doesn’t mean she can create or destroy them. She has never shown the ability to do that and remember shes a villain so thats like her goal. Whitebeard has no means to destroying the world but shown a feat of shifting tectonic plates in the earth to create shockwaves that traveled back all the way to the east blue, Yet that isnt a feat in his eyes.
@@kingnyc_1563you forget the important things that both one piece and naruto share - why would naruto or whitebeard would destroy a planet that they lived on without planning to go to another planet lol.
Why would fleet admiral who is from whitebeard era just straight up lied to the navy lol ? I mean the guy have cold sweat as well when he said it.
As a casual anime watcher all I hear is “🤓”
Why you watching the video then 🤡
Pinned lmaooo
I watched the video knowing he would say Naruto would win
@@CallMeChopa I had a feeling he would say that when things started getting ridiculous.
@sbthesage2100 bro sadly, you have a bad habit of pinning facts.
Had me in the first half ngl, until you said naruto was universal+. Good one
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@@chibksince when naruto is universal I mean planetary but uni lol 😂😂😂that crazy
He wanked Naruto off and downplayed luffy very heavily.
forreal
@@christopherlake9667 bro loves naruto a little too much 😂😂😂
Lets be honest if there was an actual fight it wouldn't be a one shot on either side, that isn't how fights in anime work.This is what happens when you apply real world logic and science to fiction everything gets all fucked up. Both series breaks real world logic yet when people argue who will win a fight they use real world logic. For a example a character will survive a nuclear explosion yet be on the verge of dearh from a stab wound. Great video but wildly inconsistent.
Yes also luffys gear 5 power difies logic literally so it's obvious who wins
Not really
Naruto is shown to be able to one shot characters like toneri who luffy is no where near
+ your example was not really good
@@UNKNOWN-xf9nk Naruto is weak even kizaru beats hin
@@Monkey_d_weebnope kizaru ain't even damaging Naruto
Of course it would be a oneshot. Naruto characters are cosmic now. Luffy hasnt gotten that high and if he has, its only planetary at most since if the OP world really is as big as ppI say then i can see why hes possibIy planetary but thats it. Even tentaiIs in its first form was planetary. Kaguya made six spacetimes. The powercIiff of EOS Naruto is too great.
"with naruto being universal+"
oh boy...
hes not 😂😂
Reasons why I hate power scaling:
You gonna debate him or are you just gonna talk?
@@shineindarkplayz9620 Debating in comments are dumb I’m ngl.
@@kingnyc_1563If you want to high ball hik
This is why i dont use data book info in feats cause it gets messy, most of those feats aren’t shown in naruto/boruto only referred too( similar too whitebeard destroying the world quote) and you downplayed alot of one piece feats. Not once did you use kizaru in speed feats when hes made out of light. Even when you brought up whitebeard you used his feats from when he was old and dying and never calculated it to his prime. And if naruto durability is scaled to moon level then how is he able to take attacks from luffy who scales higher than that?
Naruto at this point in the series is far beyond moon level remember naruto fought toneri when he was 18-20 naruto in boruto is in his mid to late 40s and naruto as a 17 year with freshly awaken 6psm was able react to lightspeed attacks also luffy has never been anywhere close to moon level
@@theblackclown2020 im going based off what was said in the video
I think it’s fine to use data book information, just don’t start creating a web of cross references and end up with a far bigger answer.
(Also when and where was the Raikage shown to be FTL cause last I checked he was lightning speed without Onoki’s lightening Jutsu)
@@Dredey04 i 100% agree and finally someone that don’t give speed amps to the 3rd raikage
@@Dredey04 you see the problem for me with the databook is that not all of it is canon since its not used in the manga/anime. Like how ostutsuki is said to be able to destroy planets in the databook but all they do is absorb all life from a planet which are two different things. So i go based off whats canon and shown.
Bro dismisses all one piece feats but openly accepts all of narutos make sure to zip up his pants when your done
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Tha fucking part.. I watched this thinking it was gonna be a fair comparison but realized this was a Naruto dick ride.. ima acknowledge all the feats from Naruto but downplay the shit out of one piece feats... let's be real there are characters that have absolutely no devil fruit and are still folding high threat enemies.. ussop (love and hate em lol) was standing toe to toe against luffy, zoro on brink of death deflects strong combo attack from big mom and kaido....) like what are we talking about?? I have never see a Naruto (expect might guy and rock) physically be stronger then even a low ass op character.. I got love fr both and I know it won't be a one shot win over op but real talk let's talk facts.. no Naruto character has toon force power... like luffy takes full on spiked bulga attack and this fool Just molds to kaidos bullga like fucking willie coyote takes getting blown to ash from a bum ass acme rocket just to hold a sign up saying something stupid... lol like u not beating too force power....
Anyone who thinks naruto is universal has lost all credibility
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Stuck in the old ages can’t handle the power creep ?
hest not, however boruto is very close to it
Well he has the potential
So we can scale everyone to kaguya jutsu but not everyone to whitebeards capability to destroy a star size planet ok guy😭
Whitebeard can't destroy a planet in 1 shot he would have to quake the planet for like 30 minutes to destroy it. And even then I doubt he would be able to.
If whitebeard could destroy a planet he would have won at marineford.
@@SAINTxSZNthe one piece world is larger than Naruto’s so you would have to upscale which would make it possible for him to destroy a planet the same size as a regular one
@@SAINTxSZN even if it’s 30 mins that’s still destroying a planet many times larger n why would he destroy marines if his family there? N that’s the case if naruto even planet buster why haven’t he busted planets to be beat other characters u see how u sound
@@dantheman5052Naruto scales to momoshiki who can destroy planets and seen many times eating charka fruits
It only said that he was to shake the soil.
In egghead kuma sends a light beam at bonny and Luffy makes it to her and escapes the explosion so he passed the light beam after it was shot
This man just cherry picking stuff from one piece without context. And he's using what old narutotard scalers used to back naruto.
@@akadenanderson3283yh who sounds bias definitely not u lol
Dat doesnt change his speed evaluation, all of that was used whihc gave luffy his rating.
@@mrstrangeworld5977what did I say to be bias? that doesn't even make sense narutotard. The man barely did any proper research on one piece and misinterpreting the context in one piece.
@@jaryncoleman208 I mean most of that was super downplayed but was mentioned.
The only reason top tiers are able to destroy planets and stars is because of energy attacks (rasengan, etc) - I’d like to see them try with physical attacks. Physically the One Piece verse is one of the strongest.
With physical attacks Naruto would still be stronger. As a base Naruto 1 tapped Toneri. The same Toneri stated to be stronger than Kaguya who was planetary and star feats. Which Toneri would have the same durability as his Ap. With Sasuke being stated to be stronger than that Naruto at the time. High tiers in Naruto are still physically stronger
I mean, does it really matter?
Sure, Luffy might punch harder than Naruto, but there really aren't any rules in a fight. Even Luffy understands that, as he never complained when his opponents fought unfairly. So if Naruto wants to use Rasengans, then he should be allowed to use Rasengans.
And Haki can be used the same way anyway. The characters use Haki to augment their attacks. So without Haki, Luffy wouldn't be blowing up islands or clashing with Emperors. It's just that most fighters in OP use their energy (aka Haki) for short range attacks by coating their fists or weapons with it. It's only recently that Haki has been used for longer range, like for the Divine Departure or the Galaxy Impact.
@@youngfish1370 toneri was nowhere close to being stronger than Kaguya. If anything he was closer to Rinnegan Obito level or Juubito level.
@WarTurtle-tv3gh Why? You literally can't give a reason for this, Toneri is stated to be the strongest enemy Naruto has fought in the Last that includes Kaguya and Teen Sasuke who both massively surpass juubito.
@@z.e.d4037 simple. Madara: took six path sage mode Naruto, six path sage mode Sasuke, the edo hokage, and 8 gates Gai on and won.
Kaguya: took six paths sage mode Naruto, six paths sage mode Sasuke, six paths boosted Obito, Kakashi, and Sakura just to seal.
Toneri: took KCM Naruto to beat after he lost his six paths power
This guy literally shot down tons of feats stated by the characters from One Piece, such as Sengoku stating Whitebeard can destroy the world and literally accepted the feats from Naruto Characters, Obito saying Time Space is valid somehow while Sengoku statement isn't💀 my guy at least be fair
It’s cause we see them perform moves that are time space manipulation like for expanse kagyua can warp to dimension and Aida omnipotence which she literally rewrote reality
and he claimed other youtubers downplaying the other characters while he himself does it as well. Great way to be a dick by throwing shades at other powerscaler while being hypocrite as well. 2 in 1.
Are you autistic? Do u believe whitebeard can one shot the planet?
Lol if sengoku watch naruto or sasuke im sure he would say the same for them, whitebeard destroy the world is just hyperbole just like hagoromo said madara would destroy the world
Kaido calling Big Mom pathetic doesn't mean much. Big Mom also insulted Kaido too that is their relationship. It is like seeing Zoro/Sanji or King/Queen calling each other weak then saying there is a huge power gap between the two. Also, the yonkos are narratively implied to be the same power level. Shanks fought and tied with Kaido before coming to Marineford. This is the same Shanks that clashed with whitebeard. They really implied that they were on the same level.
One easy argument for luffy being light speed at timeskip is simply the fact that Rayleigh(his teacher)was able to keep up with kizaru who has a base speed of light speed(being made of light)and it wouldn’t be much of a stretch to scales luffy to Rayleighh
Also one thing I noticed Everytime you scale one piece is not taking into account that mathematically speaking the one piece earth is 84% the size of our sun while the Naruto earth is only 4 times bigger than us and it would take more than 330,000 Earths to match the mass of the Sun, and it would take 1.3 million Earths to fill the Sun's volume. So saying all of this have you actually accounted for the size Scale of there earths
Luffy scales no where near Rayleigh in pre time skip ☠️☠️
@@jeremiahwilson700 the world in One Piece is about 2.7 times the size of Earth
Luffy scales to Rayleigh ?????? 💀💀💀💀
@@sonicwithglasses131 not even close. To get an idea of the difference between Luffy and Rayleigh, watch Douglas Bullet vs the Supernova. No, it’s not canon, but it’s enough to get an idea
Take no offense but I’ve seen you be extremely biased towards naruto recently especially in speed because kcm1 is for a fact not mftl+ as his best feat was blitzing the raikage who is closer to relativistic than light but even if you were to wank him to light speed perception blitzing someone light speed would put you only at 6.86 x faster than the person making naruto 6.86x faster than light and also by the way luffy power clips himself multiple times throughout the series making every light speed feat he had earlier multiplied by hundreds of fold and gear 4th is definitely a speed multiplier as snake man was specifically designed for speed and you can’t just tossed that out the window since we can’t calculate the speed and can only estimate doesn’t mean you can just ignore that snake man is at least a few x speed amplifier and also doflamingo in dressrosa awakened his devil fruit so that’s why he was pressing gear 4th so hard not because he had “magically gained speed” and also kaguya’s dimension shouldn’t scale to universal since there isn’t consistent scaling to show that her dimension was the size of a universe and if you say it is then you’re just wanking it’s like saying if you created a small pocket of your own realm like for example planetary size it would be universal which isn’t the case
let bro cook
He cooked pretty well ngl. This the first time I’ve seen a scaler say KCM1 is faster than light tho. Usually they say Raikage is lightning speed and would scale off that for at least KCM1’s speed.
Bro Luffy has reaction FTL speed not traveling in FTL. Naruto is traveling FTL also they calculated Kcm Naruto speed according to pixel calculation...
@@cjmatrix7366 pixel calculation is a pretty accurate way too determine speed but like you legitimately cannot wank naruto too 113x faster than light in kcm1 when all he did was perception blitz a relativistic-light speed raikage
@@Dredey04 I was being generous as the creator of video was arguing against the idea of raikage not being like speed
Naruto: Rasen-shuriken!
Luffy: Right back at you buddy. *Literally bounces it back with the ground*
That weak ass blast kaido did was trash so that's y he easily counter it an not with that small weak ass mud wall he did
@@eastsaintlouis618 huh kaidos weak???/ bro stfu he could bounce anything back with even mud
remember HE has toon force reality warping
@@imbouy6996 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ is that a limit fallacy or what? Anything ? But when that does that negate effects??? Since we talking right🤣🤣🤣🤣 an yes kaido is trash an that mud wall
@@imbouy6996 where u go I thought we was having a good convo😂
@@imbouy6996low reality warping he was literally struggling to repel kaido blast meaning he needs similar AP
small nitpick is that Luffy should already scale to ftl in whole cake island as base Katakuri no diffs Ichiji who has ftl feats and future sight only works if you have somewhat comparable to the other and katakuri outright states that Luffy isn't beneath him and they fight equally in base and near equally when Luffy uses g4 and katakuri starts using his awakening
I agree
He luffy said he 90 times faster than light so he is but Naruto being faster than sasukes perception is just bunkers 🎉he bisquick
Ichiji outrunning his sparks is not a light speed feat lmao there’s no proof the sparks are light speed and they’re literally called sparks also what do you mean by you have to be somewhat comparable to someone for future sight to work where is this ever stated and why is this relevant to kat never blitzing Luffy also awakening isint a speed amp
@@sbthesage2100 the sparks are shown to be really similar to light in Queen vs Sanji, they were both made using linage factors which Judge has used to recreate other logia abilities and vegepunk and Judge worked closely together in the past.
Niji also has light speed statements
Just using observation haki is not enough to avoid all attacks movement is still required, Kaido still gets hit even after he starts using future sight.
Although awakening is never outright stated to be a speed boost it did allow katakuri to be comparable to snakeman even though they could fight base vs base moments before
The fact that you also threw away any pre ts rel feat is also weird as there are several feats of straw hats dodging light, without observation haki. So if they had light speed reaction to low ftl then with haki and froth it is a lot higher
@@z1ngerz where are you getting ichijis lasers are made from kizarus lineage factor just because he worked with Vega punk there’s literally 0 evidence for this and that’s just a hasty generalization
Limiting Baryon Mode Naruto to KCM 1 Speed is a *MASSIVE* low-ball. Also, Naruto’s AP should equal his Durability given how KCM and RSM works. Naruto tanking attacks from Fused Momoshiki and Isshiki is also *MASSIVELY* above and superior Toneri’s Golden Wheel of Reincarnation (GWR)! Even Base Momoshiki’s Bijuudama is far above the GWR AP.
Also, Kaguya absorbed the chakra of the shinobi alliance *NOT* because it was a necessary power amp but because she *FELT* entitled to the chakra as Mother of All Chakra. Even KCM2 Naruto has enough chakra to surpass the shinobi alliance by 4x Kakashi chakra reserves pre Sage Mode! The alliance were fodder food for Kaguya’s chakra greed. Even 300 fodder ninja had even Chakra to blow up the Moon. So, Toneri feat with GWR was very casual yet SKCM 2 Naruto one-shotted him also casually!
Luffy is still faster and can easily dodge every attack until the transformation wears down and the he claps base naruto easily
@@flameze5019he don’t need to do that he has dura neg so his higher speed alone is what gives him the win, even without toon force
@@kazethegoat8247 wait true actually
@@flameze5019Naruto one-shots and blitz Luffy and can solo the One Piece verse. Scaling wise even KCM1 Naruto is over 72 times faster than Lightspeed. Even Adult Naruto dodge photon beams in Base form like Luffy but *WITHOUT* Precognition unlike Luffy. KCM 2 is bare minimum 20 times stronger than KCM 1 and SKCM 2 is 20 times faster than KCM 2 and RSM 1 is easily 100 times faster than SKCM 2. Along RSM 2 being at least 20 times more powerful than RSM 1. Baryon Mode is based on nuclear fusion and could have a million or billions times amp. The OP verse doesn’t stand a chance.
@@Nubin2000😂😂😂 luffy solo
Well, it's not just Sengoku that hypes up Whitebeard's power.
Vice Admiral Tsuru also claimed that even if she were to escape to the other side of the planet, she still wouldn't be safe from Whitebeard's power.
That'll only be multi Continental
It was also stated that the tremor from him splitting the sea was felt all the way in the east blue
@whatthefoxplays8462 his fruit power while holding back, was able to be felt across the entire world
@@whatthefoxplays8462 I think I heard somewhere the Planet is the size of the Sun?
@@eonragnarock2366 and when was that exactly
Bruh this guy just low balled one piece to the ground and the extreme highballed naruto and then had the audacity to say its consistent and most sound lmfao
I had no idea dwarf star level and 45x FTL were lowballing one piece into the ground
@@sbthesage2100brother you spent the entire video downplaying op every time you mentioned naruto you made sure to walk him to oblivion somehow wanking him to universal + the speed scaling you had for luffy doesn't even make sense this was a mad bias video lol
@@sbthesage2100bro you said naruto is universal thats a high ball if I've ever heard one
@@sbthesage2100 the FTL reaction is agreeable but dwarf star is a bit too high, large planet highball at best
"naruto is universal+" 💀💀💀
his closer to solar system or small galaxy
great video
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t being able to dodge a light speed attack even with precognition still mean you can move faster or at least equal to light. Even if you know an attack is coming you still need to move your body fast enough to get out of the way. If you told someone you were going to shoot them in 5 seconds and that they needed to dodge, it would still be impossible for them to dodge the bullet.
Exactly. This guy is riding Naruto hard
Ikr, Kaido even stated something about "future sight is useless if you can move faster than it." Also this guy debunking WB's planetary ap (I agree because it's mainly hax) but gave Bajrang Gun dward star ap 💀💀
Yeah but that’s why he said reaction speed. His reaction speed clearly surpasses light speed, however since Naruto can move faster than light speed it gives him the edge. Ygm?
Not exactly. That depends how far into the future you can see
@@coatrak1357 dog that still requires you to move at light speed to be able to get out of the way
Great video however the kaguya Shinobi alliance statement is irrelevant as she has so much chakra that both Naruto and Sasuke are shocked she could even exist considering a much weaker Naruto was easily able to power the whole alliance their chakra would be too small to fill her up enough to launch techniques that most likely take a decent amount of her chakra
Agreed, Kaguya absorbed the chakra of the shinobi alliance *NOT* because it was a necessary power amp but because she *FELT* entitled to the chakra as Mother of All Chakra. Even KCM2 Naruto has enough chakra to surpass the shinobi alliance by 4x Kakashi chakra reserves pre Sage Mode! The alliance were fodder food for Kaguya’s chakra greed.
It was stated that the chakra she absorbed made her exponentially stronger
@@jocoolshow fodder made her stronger my guy the strongest characters with the most chakra were right in front of her how did people who can barely make a dent in kcm2 Naruto's reserves when powering them up do that make it make sense
So this means that Baryon Mode Naruto is now a Dragon Ball Z/Super level character?
No, not at all. It just means his ap is rather universal
People drawing the line at DBZ power scaling to Naruto characters 😬
nah
Yes both Naruto and ichigo soIo DBZ. Its DBS thats the probIem. DBZ is only galaxy level and even if they were universal. Naruto and ichigo are low multiversal.
Dbs Goku scales to low complex multiversal and he isn't even a top tier in his verse since that would be the angels, grand priest and Zeno. Universal characters are nothing to them at this point
One thing i'd like to note is how you go on to debunk whitebeard being planetary but then agree with luffys bajrang being calced at star lvl which kaido clashed with for a bit before getting overpowered. I also think people like law clashing with now a stronger Blackbeard show how even they could be planetsry lvls, Destroying the one piece planet must be a much more difficult feat than a normal planet as well but I don't think that's useful to upscale until we get confirmation
Wtf nothing in op in star lvl 🤣🤣🤣
@@false_prophets4642 Blackbeards black holes have infinite power, haki will over power that fs, and bajrang gun can be calced to that bc of its mass and speed, as well as with consideration that haki is focused and whitebeard destroying world is solely bc of his devil fruit and ppl can overpower that being over that planetary level since whitebeard has been shown to finely control his shockwaves to the point of putting his full strength into his blade which is used to clash
@@false_prophets4642 yes it is bajrang gun is star level
@@musahyles8443 no tf its not 💀🤣🤣
@@musahyles8443no it’s not, a star is like the sun, the sun can fit 1,000,000 earths inside of it, at most it is mid continental not star level
Brain hurt to much thinking. Just put them in an food eating contest
luffy would definitely win that one lol
way too easy tbh@@maksimklimok4005
One shot?😂😂😂😂 Luffy will be laughing at that punch.
Bro can you even power scale any thing
@@zrainren6373do you even know how to power scale?😂
Impossible. Luffy still 1-5 against kaido 🤣🤣🤦🏾♂️
@@eastsaintlouis618 no way u sayin that lmao🤡🤡gear 5 luffy was straight up playin wi him😹😹😭
do u know what AP is?
Enjoyed the video SB THE SAGE! I do have a suggestion of another vs battle in SAITAMA VS YUTA (from one piece red) have been curious how the outcome between the two would be. Thanks in advance!
good vid
Dude u r so biased. U spent the entire video sayin nah Luffy feat fake but took all of narutos feats at face value. Seriously?
I only spent so much time on the Luffy speed debunk bc people use the feats I talked about in the video to scale Luffy incorrectly I have serval videos where one piece characters win just have a problem with incorrect scaling also debunking white beard being planetary is irrelevant since I still believe Luffy is dwarf star level
@@sbthesage2100 Luffy mids diffs that fodder. move on ffs.
truth hurts bro 🤣
Anothe great vid Sage, definitely subbing! And btw where did you get the calcs for kcm1 being 100+ speed of light?
His ass lol
@@thekingofbeast5241 facts 😂😂
@@thekingofbeast5241it’s in the description you goon
@@XxcHuCkEXx069in the description mr fax lol shut your mouth
Description my boy
i mean even Vice Admiral Tsuru said you cant escape whitebeards power even if you across the other side of the world, something similar to sengoku
So the rasengan is universal now🥶it's even stronger than a gamma ray burst🥶💀
1. Why would the Fleet Admiral, who fought Whitebeard in his prime, make such insane assumptions that their enemy could destroy the world, potentially demotivating his own forces?
2. How can you compare a Truth-Seeking Orb, which condenses every single chakra nature into a solid object, to a Rasengan, which is purely chakra concentrated into a spherical shape?
3. Assuming Momoshiki's Rasengan is universal+, wouldn't that imply Boruto's Rasengan is also universal+? If that's the case, why hasn't the universe undergone any changes? If two energy blasts of universal level clash, the impact alone should have destroyed the galaxy. It's weird that not only was there no destruction, but Boruto, a 13-year-old, barely suffered any harm. Surviving a universal-level energy clash without complete obliteration seems implausible for someone of his age.
this guy low balled the shit out of one piece i realised this guy was dick riding the moment he said the yonko dont scale to each other or are relative and said whitebeard isnt star lvl people can litertally feel attacks aroudn the fucking world
For the second arguments, Kaguya used her chakra to make the ETSO so she scales to it,also Momoshikis raszngan scales above Kaguya entierly it was also stated in the Light novels that Momoshikis was absorbing chakra from beyond his parallel dimension he made..
3. Yes it would apply to boruto bc first of all thats base Narutos raszngan not borutos so it applies to Narutos scaling,in the Light novels it was stated that Naruto boruto finish Momoshiki on purpose so he can learn what the life of a shinobi is, your argument is stupid, if something is universal+ why would it have some changes to it ? Also the rasengan was red and he absorbed it from beyond his parallel dimension he made, also theres someone called damage contrôl which exists in alot of shows, and Naruto is an AP based Séries so they will not destroy anything, Kishimoto back in 2016, said that the Naruto and sasuke were becoming too powerful so he had lower the battle damage on purpose..
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I hate the power scaling communities fixation on pocket dimensions. The idea if someone has the ability to create an empty pocket dimension they are universal is some of the stupidest shit in the world to me.
It’s like with Yami from black clover. People say he’s universal because of his equinox. My brother in Christ he can’t destroy an actual dimension he can cut through or dispel a fabricated one. Your telling me that Yami could just delete the black clover universe?
@@danielgedeon6454pls tell me how a pocket dimension is anywhere near universal scaling?? Are you crazy? When tf did that ever become a comparable thing? It's a pocket dimension..what's so impressive about that that makes u assume the character is now universal..that makes absolutely no sense...by your logic blueno who is able to create dimensions using his door door ability is therefore a universal character ...how do u not see how ridiculous that sounds
@@speeddevil4040kaguya actually has stars in her dimension and she was about to destroy it yami can cut tru pocket dimensions that's not the same
What's crazy is that if you take feats like Sanji's speed and ability and compare it to 8 Gates Guy for instance and how he can run through the air you will find that One Piece characters were already stronger and faster than before time skip. Just that comparison alone means Luffy is way stronger and faster than many would credit him. Not to mention the recoil of rubber making him inconsistently and exponentially faster and powerful depending on the stretch.
Correct
Naruto is galaxy level and luffy is mountain level
bro lowballs luffy so hard and then scales naruto to universal+
Universal+ AP (Attack potency) not DC (Destructive Capacity) it’s totally different.
we seen naruto get hurt by swords and shurikens in kcm luffy would be able to touch him and have a good fight@@karimisaac5413
@@karimisaac5413 He isn't universal in either.
@brandonholder2483 I didn’t say he was, just corrected him
There's a few problems though like Fifth Gear also includes toon force. Also if Luffy defeats Admiral Kizaru, he could be argue to be both faster in overall movements as well as reflexes than Naruto. Not to mention, Haki held many advantages as proven in Sanji vs Rock Lee episode. This is obviously going to be an even crazier fight. Luffy constantly defeated stronger villains in his series. Sure some of them he loss to a few times. The point is this guy doesn't know when to give up. His devil fruit was described by the Five Elders to be the most ridiculous power in the world. This by itself gives Luffy many advantages too. Naruto may scale higher in stats but Fifth Gear with his mastery of Haki and greater willpower ultimate win him this fight.
Toon force is just an excuse to try to make Luffy sound stronger, giving him “toon force” does not scale him anywhere as it is only a fan made label made to explain cartoon characters abilities, therefore it’s irrelevant
Not a Naruto fanboy trying to tell me about one piece
Bro mad because luffy gets destroyed by Naruto
@@raleekcooper9188naruto gets smacked by luffy
@@Infinitefuture6what about the 20 min long video explaining why Naruto would beat tf outta luffy in one shot ?
Bruh, bro just got everything wrong💀
*shows literal calculations and infos pulled out of data books* yeah bro whatever makes you sleep better at night
you really did water down and forget alot of one piece feats
There are no other one piece feats bigger than Shaking the marineford island
@@cjmatrix7366😂
Naruto by a single punch split the moon, he is X1000 faster than light, one punch and goodbye one piece 😭
@@miguek3908100 pre timeskip luffy past 100x fighting world and hordy jones multiplier
luffy does blitz doflamingo though, despite it not being stated doflamingo was straight up just getting dominated by luffy in that state while before they were both even with doflamingo having a slight edge.
also how tf is luffy dodging litteral light lazers which were based off of the light light fruit not a light speed feat?
Cause the light explodes meaning it’s not actually light 🤓
(Joking, don’t murder me. Idk why people even powerscale to ridiculous measures like saying “Universal” when they can’t ACTUALLY destroy a universe)
Because it’s directly stated to be based on the strength of Kizaru’s lasers and not his speed.
@@WarTurtle-tv3ghthere was parallelism that says other wise. Pre time skip when luffy was blitzed by kizaru, kizaru said “too slow”. But post time skip when lufffy dodged beams that were stated to be kizarus beams in the same island, guess what luffy said? He said “too slow”
@@WarTurtle-tv3gh it just says it's based on kizaru's lazers full stop, none of this speed based or stength based bullshit. also it's a fucking light lazer, it would still be light speed.
@@jhondoe1116 that’s not how it works in One Piece. Just because something is glowing doesn’t mean it’s light speed. If it was, then Luffy would have been ftl during his fight with Foxy because Foxy’s slow beam is made of photons
Yo Sage did you change your opinion on the WB statement? Before you used it in videos to scale WB and characters that scale to WB but now you said its invalid
Yes I changed my opinion
@@sbthesage2100 Valid bro, fw your vids
@@sbthesage2100What made you change your mind about it?
Not sure if this is really a factor or not, but with both having precognition, and especially with Luffys future sight, since he’s slower so it would be more impactful for him to have, how much can FTL really matter if you’re able to tell what’s going to happen well beforehand. If they’re both even just at relativistic speeds, 3 seconds feels like forever, so seeing that far ahead would negate (most of) the advantage? Would it not? I may be misunderstanding but it seems like that would be impactful and really cut down on atleast one aspect of Naruto’s advantage?
Ur saying dat as if luffy hasn’t got blitz before
There is no need for any explanation as Naruto has a 10-minute time limit. therefore, this isn't close. Naruto gets demolished
observation haki doesnt help you dodge an attack it just shows an attac k thats going to happen. If and attack is light speed and you have obv haki and dont have light speed reaction time you cant dodge it( kaido speed blitzs luffy when they first fought and luffy has future sight)
Well naruto moves to fast it wouldn't matter how much gears luffy has
@@NicoNicoKneeCaps69fax
It’s important to remember that Kaguya’s domain expansion had planets and stars in them. It’s also important to remember that she is one of the weakest of her kind.
Good one
my only problem with gear 5 is since he can do anything . this will easily ruin the story. if he could do anything . that means that the story doesnt matter and everything in front of his story will be a piece a cake. i have a feeling oda is either gonna change up what he means on "anything" or will make someone that has a direct counter on his ability.
he cant do anything
As long as luffy thinks that he has the gomu gomu it won't get stupid
I think you forgot there are going to be hard limits because luffy is a dumbass
100%. People are too caught up on the hype right now to think on the implications for the story. Myself included when I was reading
Most of the OP fans don't know how powerful Naruto is because they only watched Naruto/Boruto series they ain't even try to read Manga and Light novels that's why OP fans can't accept Naruto stronger than Luffy ☠️....
Really backwards giving Naruto is more accepted in the west...
I can already see how this fight going to happen and it gonna be crazy
about whitebeard chances are is that sengokus statement was talking about whitebeards power and not his ap so even if his quakes could take out the entire world from one spot doesnt mean he has the direct fighting power to destroy the world so luffy cant be compared to that statment in any way
Wb was holding back a lot in marine ford but still had effects around the world like causing luffy ship from impel down to go into the air and causing tsunami alerts in sabody
Facts
Like any other earthquake doesn’t make him planetary
This dosent make WB planetary
@@sbthesage2100 it does lol it is literally stated in manga and anime.
@@sbthesage2100 It's literally stated in the novel, anime, manga, and databook fam lol. Statements are there for supporting evidence as this isn't dragonball. Kinshiki can split worlds too...and we believe him despite no one pulling a legend planetary feat in naruto at the time we heard about Toneri and such.
Not once was kizaru used in this vid….
The guy made of light who we can scale based off of the other admirals 😞
fr bro glossed over that and went straight to "naruto is unversal+" basically said naruto on par with bog goku
Once I hear faster than light I just check out smh
Can you do Guts and Yoriichi next?
I'm so glad you actually understand what reaction speed is, I've seen so many people say stupid stuff like base wano luffy is 540x the speed of light lol
let’s go finally a scaler who knows the difference between reaction speed and combat speed bro i debated plenty of op fans and guess what the first thing they say is they fucking say luffy is 4x ftl because of him dodging kuma’s light beams bro reaction speed does not equal travel speed imma say this for those who don’t know how speed works
reaction speed: is how fast you dodge something or react think of gokus mui where he dodges on instinct
combat speed: how fast you can fight like when fighters are on par with each other in fighting that’s usually combat speed
travel speed: should be self explanatory but it’s how fast you can move like if you could travel at the speed of light or faster is how fast you can travel
so now luffy didn’t move that fast he only dodged that fast but this video was perfect for those diehard one piece fans i like one piece but come on don’t compare verse’s because your just biased
The problem with this fight is if you are taking personality’s into consideration because it goes like this if they are just going to the win but personality’s would mean they would look at eachother then go get lunch
Did this man just say kaguya is universal
Man just said move out of someone view when you looking at him. Then moving around him to kick him in the face. Isn't a speed blitz but off guard hit??? Even though doffy can keep up with gear fourth he still got bltiz a bit in the fight regardless
It isint be literally reacts to the attack so people even know what a speed blitz is lmao it’s getting your reaction and perceptions complete overridden which just doesn’t happen also how does what you’re saying make sense you can’t blitz someone and be relative to them in speed 😂😂😂😂
All the comments complaining are the one piece goons coping hard at the fact that naruto slams the verse with ease
Yeah I agree one piece is mid and Naruto does slam pretty badly but Naruto universal tho? Would you actually agree with that?
@@PoH27 Personally I just agree to piss others but it really depends on if you believe the otsutsukis are as powerful as sb the sage is scaling. I dont agree with star luffy tho I still think hes multi continental and that realistically naruto should be solar if not highballed uni with kaguya momo and isshiki statements
@@reddeadclowns oh ok
Hey SB I just wanted to say I love your videos, there are a couple of anime’s I’ve been watching one of them has been beyblade (metal fight series) I was wondering if you could scale the characters and their beys accurately and compare them to some other versus like my hero or even one piece verse considering the beyblade characters are extremely weird to scale I’m pretty sure some of the characters are planetary or star level confirmed by the manga and anime, trust me we beyblade fans are really underrepresented and trust me if you make a video about them you’ll gain a lot of new fans, you don’t have to but definitely think about it! Thank you!
I can commission it for you lol
@@sbthesage2100 sorry but what does that mean 😭
@@jalenduchene6747 I make the video if you pay for it
I feel like if anything Luffy & Naruto would go toe to toe
When you think about it luffy can just turn rasengan or anything else naruto throws into rubber and throw it back at him, right?
No because Luffy himself has to scale similarly to it and because Naruto is way stronger then him it wouldn’t work
@@LazyAsian2557 since when does it depend on strength?
@@nomustar8711 Luffy struggled to return Kaido’s bolo breath and they were relative to each other now do you think Luffy can throw Goku’s spirit bomb back at him or Ichigo’s gestuga tensho
@@LazyAsian2557 he is still getting stronger dawg 😭
@@nomustar8711 I know but right now he isn't as strong as Naruto, but at the end of the series Luffy will be as strong or stronger than Naruto.
cool video, nice arguments, but as a fan of one piece this is just ☝🤓
we need to stop acting like light speed is such a common thing in one piece.
there's so many counter arguments
Yes, same in naruto, but for some reason in one piece are controversial, and in naruto are undeniable facts.
Same with putting the naruto aliens at levels they really do not have, kaguya HAD an attack that could perturbe time and space, that does not mean kaguya has a time space level, in other words, universal level. Sakura harmed her.... that does not mean sakura is universal level.
Also, people all the time forgesr about the fact that OP world has a size of a star... islands here have the size of a continent... so WB in a planet like naruto... that would be destructive
Bro if they stumble across each other they will just become friends
How is bro universal+ in ap ? How does universal even comes close to Naruto's name 🤦
Understanding why u discredited the light speed feats for luffy but even still I want to bring up the fact that kizaru a person who literally ate the light fruit faced an old Rayleigh which yes it was Rayleigh trying to distract kizaru they still had to fight at light speed feats and it was close quarter combats and old Rayleigh was stronger then a time skipped gear 4 bounce man so my real question is how fast is kizaru and can we use him as a scale or are we just gonna forget about him and be biased to naruto 😒
Also whitebeard himself stating that he has the power to destroy the one piece world which was stated to be star level still has fears that shows some capability such when he was able to move tectonic plates during marine ford with like what stage 7 cancer😂.so can u also calculate how big op islands are because if I take an example such as the fact that the sun can hold over 1,300,000 earths (look it up) and if I’m right I think one of the one piece charecters stated that there are over 20 million island so can u please do the numbers for me. Also if u want to use the argument that whitebeards has hax, the fruit is only as strong as the devil fruit user, prime example luffy 😂. And if it was jus hax what do we have to say about the people have taken attacks from the guru guru wouldn’t that mean they planetary durability since even a Akainu back in marineford was able to rank attacks from whitebeard
@@binlegit7822 If you consider Whitebeard statement was not hyperbole then the statement o about susano "a single strike of the sword have the power to smash all things in the universe , it rival even biju," 👈 so it makes mada universal and because of Baryon mod Naruto is way stronger than mada so it makes him Multiversal+ lol 😂😂... Try to understand what hyperbole statement lol ....
Alot of the speed feats you used for naruto were from a translated manga panel that was very clearly not ment to be taken serious. I might be thinking of the wrong one but in that book it also says tamari could sweep away galaxies with tornados
This also means Boruto already solos like 99.999% of the OP verse and will beat Luffy soon too lol
nice vid but uni+ naruto is bs, and u were kinda downplayin luffy but high balling naruto, but he like star to solar system. The reason why kaguya isnt uni+, first off it would be inconsisent within the feats portrait in the manga and anime, and she was destroying the planets in the dimension not the dimension itself, just like how u said that whitebeard would be able to destroy all islands but not the one piece planet itself. So thats why i think uni+ naruto is dumb and a big highball
In my opinion, I think Luffy in Gear 5 beats Naruto. This is because Naruto can only hold that form for so long, while Luffy has shown pretty good mastery over it. In terms of speed, Naruto might have the edge, but in terms of power, or just fighting capabilities in general luffy has the better arsenal. Naruto, isn't like naruto from naruto shippuden, he is much softer now (imp) he wouldn't really use all of the big hitting attacks, like he does it naruto shippuden. Luffy also has really good arament haki, so if naruto were to get a hit in or 2 it wouldn't so as much damage.
i never red so much nonsense in one comment before. bro stop pls naruto stomps luffy in seconds its irrelevant for how long he can hold his bayron mode (which he doesnt even need like bruh) and it doesnt matter how soft he became cz these power scalings are just fucking scalings where you see how strong they are.
@@melihceylan8749 in that sense luffy still wins because the creator of naruto kishimoto said naruto would lose to a bajrang gun
@@thegoathimselfme where tf did he said that? Tik tok? Damn bro use logic. Naruto survived and countered Planetary attacks bajramg gun or whatever it's called is just a big fist in the size of onigashima damn and you think that Naruto can't handle it? 😂
Eh gotta go with luffy winning the fight. Didn’t know much about baryon mode but apparently it just gives a huge buff to naruto’s speed, strength and such. I think luffy’s abilities are overlooked as it isn’t just fighting freely, he can turn imagination into reality. He literally pulled goggles out of thin air. So could he just imagine himself with greater strength and speed to counter naruto? This is a quick comment I might elaborate later
@@_t0kagewhy didn’t bro do this against kaido on the roof top?
Bro is talking fax. No misses 👍🔥
Sengoku: “He can destroy the world!”
Cap.. now onto Naruto, I can’t wait to ride his meat
Black Zetsu: “Its a time space” That’s so valid daddy Zetsu 💀🗿💀🗿💀😭🗿🗿
The strongest pirate was a title💀its been said multiple times that kaido would’ve turned the tides to the war if he arrived and it was concluded that in a 1v1 kaido would surely dominate. It feels like you haven’t fully caught on, how to exactly powerscale one piece fairly
Also UNI naruto😭bro get serious your scaling is ass, it’s so debunkable💀
Super old on the brink of Death Whitebeard who wasn’t even shown to be able to use Haki (or at least not for long/properly). Most likely wouldn’t win in a fight against Kaido (he would prob put up a decent fight tho)
Naruto wins
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A lot of this scaling power levels and who would beat who is so confusing to understand. Regardless, it's all really interesting to watch even if I don't understand any of it lol. Clearly a lot of work went into figure all of this out. Makes me want to watch Boruto. I finished Shippuden, but haven't gotten into Boruto. I keep hearing it's good 👍
I do like the speed scale though I appreciate you getting a scale for Naruto
This power scaling stuff is ridiculous.
W video. Even if Luffy’s stats were closer to Naruto Baryon mode literally drains the other fighters life force but punching them with solar radiation.
Baryon Mode’s life drain is because it drains chakra from others on contact. It’s compared to nuclear fusion, but the effects are different, so there’s no solar radiation in his punches
@@WarTurtle-tv3gh No to mention the person he was using baryon mode against was already dying and it took soo many punches to win and the hits themselves wasnt even that powerful.
@@uriahthegreat5004plus baryon mode can’t steal luffys life force because he doesn’t have chakara
Ah I didn't know that. @@WarTurtle-tv3gh
More Luffy vs. Naruto videos popped up on my youtube, and almost all of them say the life force drain still applies to Luffy. Not for my reasons but yeah. 🤷♂
Oda and Kishimoto watching their fantasy worlds get scaled based off neutonian dynamics and just thinking to themselves that they like drawing cool/goofy looking badasses that fight is just hilarious
where do people get lightspeed from with any of these characters?!?!?!
Kizaru is made out of light and can move at light speed. Luffy is stronger and faster then him which makes him faster then light. In the data book the 4th Raikage Ay can move at the speed of light and Naruto dodged him while they were fighting seriously. Lightspeed is very common nowadays
this man is the biggest narutard ive ever seen in my life 😭😭😭
Luffy is faster, has better hax, better durability and endurance. So luffy wins. And baryon mode lasts 10 mins. And after 10 mins, naruto becomes very weak. And naruto cant beat luffy in 10 mins
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Kid Naruto is X1000 faster than light and he have better HAX, you say that Luffy have better durability while Naruto with his AP splitted the moon, AP = Durability, also he have higher endurance 😂
Naruto baryon mode will beat Luffy under 2 minutes
He doesn’t even need baryon mode to neg that fodder
You didn’t even watch Naruto shippuden
Let's pray for the op fan and naruto fans🙏
Pretty good video tho i have some disgareement
Like
Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Bajrang Gun was actually calc at multi continental with K.E of 1.88*10^25 Joules
And space-time or time-space =/= 4D in fiction
Space time continuum = 4D
So kaguya is not universal+
Also naruto does scale to his rasengan i don't know why you even said he doesn't when Same chakra is responsible for AP and durability
He isn't even close to universal, and if you move at even the speed of light, you wouldn't even be able to tell what's going on
Flawed argument
he is universal because of the expansive truth seeking orb which is a 4th dimensional attack, meaning it can destroy literal dimensions
Bro's tryna compare the perception of a regular human to that of a super human who fought gods lmao also it's universal AP
@@LOTM_PeakTbf by all logic if you’re faster than actual light then you shouldn’t be able to see. Since sight is just light reflected from our eyes. That’s my lil nerd moment, let me have it 🤓
@@idkwhattonamemyself6511 that dosent make him universal :/ its not a fourth dimensional attack, it has a high Ap but its not destroying anything bigger then a country
Haven't watched the video yet, but all I can say is that Naruto is most likely gonna win.
No no no, Naruto has a time limit, luffy Dosent
@@GG.Plans_GoatLuffy life force will be all but drained at that point.
Besides, Gear 5 spends a lot of energy
@@wat1530 thank you for letting me know this I knew there was a downside to that power.
@@GG.Plans_Goat he doesnt need baryon
I totally get using calcs to try to guess a character's speed because you need to prove who is faster. In that case, Naruto definitely has higher speeds. But in an actual anime fight (like when dbz and one piece crossed over) the speeds AND AP are usually equalized for the sake of the viewer. I do agree with the comments though that Naruto wins for other reasons like having water jutsu or something like that. They both have attacks that are hard to dodge and can scale to giant size.
I would hate to break this to you little bro but the one please planet is literally the size of a fucking star, so literally everything that the fucking OP characters do is like speed boosted offer it just based off of how much space they have to fucking cover
Agreed. Unfortunately this is the only way to "prove" who wins. Even though applying real world logic physics and effects to animes makes no sense
for something to be at light speed, that something can't have mass. Therefore, since both naruto and luffy have mass, it is impossible for them to be at light speed or faster than light speed
I personally wouldn’t put Naruto at universal lvl AP but rather solar system lvl+ but either way he absolutely dominates also I don’t know why OP fans get so triggered when we say Naruto wins for now because Luffy could be multi-versal lvl by the end of the series for all we know
EXACTLY he definitely isn't uni but he can EASILY be scaled to solar system lvl
yeah if luffy survives till adult hood he could high diff baryon mode
oda has said multiple times that this is luffys peak, he isn't getting stronger than g5.
@@cheeseburgermayhem9726u mean Eiichiro Oda
@@adrianex5007 lmfao i just woke up my bad
The databook entry on the Expansive Truth Seeking Orb says that it can reshape the world, not destroy it. This is backed by the Japanese databook entry on Amenominaka, which states that Kaguya can spin space freely and shift herself and others to a space of her choosing. Kaguya doesn’t have the power to create dimensions, but she does have the power to reshape them.
Boruto has a habit of contradicting itself majorly. Momoshiki is stronger than Kaguya, but Momoshiki barely dodged an attack by the Mizukage during the Chuunin exams attack. But the Mizukage isn’t on Kaguya’s level.
Baryon mode’s lifedrain aspect is stated to be because it absorbs the opponent’s chakra on contact. Luffy doesn’t have chakra, so he’d be immune to that. Luffy also has future sight, which counters the precognitive capabilities of Baryon Mode.
Baryon mode Naruto can’t (or won’t) use jutsu because his chakra is being consumed in a way reminiscent of nuclear fusion. That means no clones and no rasenshuriken. That also means that he’s limited to using taijutsu, which you already stated that Luffy was immune to.
Luffy’s speed is iffy until we see him fight Kizaru, but Kaido blitzing him can be explained as Kaido having better future sight, and Naruto’s speed is near light speed.
Regardless of speed and reaction time, it comes down to one question. Can Naruto Baryon Mode actually damage Luffy? Naruto can’t (or won’t) use Jutsu in Baryon Mode, and as you said previously, Luffy is immune to blunt force. Maybe Baryon Mode’s energy can damage Luffy, but if so, can it damage him enough to take him out of the fight before Naruto’s time limit is up?
Did you completely miss the part where it was constantly stated that Kaguya created everyone of those dimensions?
1.) even if this is true Zetsu says this is the beginning of a new time space meaning the time space would still have to be destroyed bc that’s what truth seeker orbs do lmao regardless of the phrasing of the data book which again I can’t even confirm bc I’d have to get that scan translated
2.) why is the Mizukage tagging momo an anti feat it just upscales chojiro doesn’t downscale momo
3.) where is this ever stated kurama just says because chakra is connected that’s the reason ishikis life is being drained
4.) this is incorrect kurama just tells Naruto not to make any unnecessary decisions dosent mean he can’t perform justsu we literally see him using a Rasengan in baryon mode
@@johnathonthompson2950 everywhere I saw it said that they were her dimensions, not that she created them. The Japanese databook entry for her power says that she can shift between dimensions and move herself and others across space as she pleases. Her being able to create dimensions doesn’t make sense when just the act of traveling between them exhausted her in canon
@@sbthesage2100 1: Not necessarily. The databook entry says that Kaguya’s orb can *reshape* the world, and reshaping the time space would count as a new time space. Also, Black Zetsu is well known to lie in order to dishearten opponents.
2: the Mizukage is nowhere near even Edo Madara levels. Kaguya was much faster than that and she was wary of Momoshiki. Even if Momoshiki was half of her speed, that’s still closer to the Raikage in speed than the rest of the kage.
3: In the Boruto manga when Kurama is explaining Baryon mode he compares it to nuclear fusion and says it will take chakra from other sources.
4: maybe, but any jutsu used would drain his time even faster, which makes it a dear death sentence. There’s a reason Naruto didn’t use any against Issshiki.
@@WarTurtle-tv3gh I agree not necessarily but considering how the truth seeking orbs function ochams razor says the only context reshape can be used in is. Destruction feat and even if it is only the planet destroying a planet sized time space still makes the feat uni +
Oh yea btw Oda and Kishimoto are really good friends (Masashi Kishimoto created naruto and Eiichora Oda created one piece) are really good friends and when Oda got sick and wasn't able to write manga for a bit Kishimoto visited him in the hospital to see if he was ok we don't need to fight this because they probably don't fight about it (they may) but there still friends
Tbh I don’t really care who wins but these videos are pretty entertaining
Baryon and so6p mode are two different things. Luffy wins if baryon mode is being used and until he master his devil fruit Naruto wins in so6p mode
Thank you, the only person in this comment section saying facts without being a nerd
@@winner9033 thanks for knowing facts when you see them
As a watcher of both...
The first issue is speed; Naruto has power but not speed, moreover Naruto isn't as casual in the speed category as Luffy would be.
Due to Gear 5's nature the fight can honestly go several ways depending on the variables.
But yeah pre-time skip characters were already FTL, and it just gets crazier via timeskip. Let alone Luffy's stamina and such. So I say this fight is very very close.
Moreover, Naruto character dimension feats are still iffy. It's similar to Bleach where it sits in that realm of can be argued but likely not and requires far more data and evidence to support.
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Why is Naruto's speed not considered casual? They clearly depict Naruto blitzing past the Raikage. In the Forest of Death, show Sasuke dodging sound. A fatigued teen Kakashi cutting lightning, and demonstrate Naruto blitzing Sasuke with his active Sharingan in their first fight. Where is speed not portrayed casually? I'm having trouble understanding.
@@Reesemike
What I mean is Naruto is usually battle ready before he pulls his feats.
And yeah don't worry I'm not uncultured. Water bullets from Itachi vs Kakashi were light speed, Sasuke casually dodges light speed attacks frrom the Samurai
There's sooo much proof Naruto is FTL+
I'm just saying Luffy earlier on has better and more blatant showings w/o the use of databooks, along with transitive scaling since a fatigue Zoro dodged multiple light speed attacks which was calc at 1.2% faster than light.
I am a firm believer the battle is close between these 2, Naruto is in favor and I feel you need Gol Roger tier fighters and exp but overall it wouldn't be a wash
Naruto is faster than Luffy and stronger. Luffy is probably around lightning speed while Naruto is probably around light speed. And there is a huge gap between light and lightning in terms of speed
@@cadeking2151lying bro are you serious dude base is faster than lightning that expands at the speed of light even nami and usopp
@@firefistace5230 Naruto is far faster than Luffy. And you cannot prove that Luffy is faster than Naruto. Lightning= Mach 364 / Light= Mach 874,030.49
Naruto VS Luffy is by far the *most* bias debate I've seen in anime
After the 1st 30 seconds of the video, your bias and misunderstanding of the series were so obvious, that I didn’t even bother watching past that point.
First, it’s not Sengoku who stated that Whitebeared is planetary but it’s Oda who did using Sengoku as a narrating tool.
What many people like you seem to misunderstand that the only way an author could convey the power of some characters is only via statements, that’s why he’s having someone like Sengoku (who’s not only wise, but an authority in the verse) to say it so the readers would get a better grasp of the power that certain characters hold, without the author having to destroy the world in this case and the story along with it.
Moreover that isn’t special to one piece as many other authors across media use the same technique, like for an instance in DBverse, where Toriyama and Toyotaru had the narrator and the old supreme kai explain in Goku’s fist clash with Beerus that a third hit would destroy the universe 7 macrocasm.
Another point in regards to that is that if you understand how earthquakes influence the world and that a stream of those would rip a planet apart, as a quake man that’s exactly what whitebeared can do.
Second it was stated in the series that the four original emperors held similar power and territory as they kept each other in check so that none of them would gain superiority and don’t forget that the world government the same organization that wasn’t afraid of executing Whitebeard’s 2nd commander and adopted son was actually terrified of Kaido’s and Big Mom’s alliance.
So people aren’t using the “Yonko level” (which in my opinion is an idiotic way to measure power) as the reason for why Kaido is relative to Whitebeared but an actual statements from the series, Btw Kaido would decimate MF Whitebeared in a 1vs1.
Here we go more things you forgot, the one piece earth is way bigger then our own, it’s more like between the size of a dwarf star and a star (around Jupiter size), where islands like alabaster are the size of continents on our earth. So a planetary Whitebeared is actually around the star level and since Kaido is relative to him in strength that would make him around the same power or stronger and by scaling Gear 5 Luffy as well.
Let me use your reasoning against you, like you said Whitebeared was stated to be the strongest man in the world (they probably mean his prime self) and Kaido was stated to be the strongest creature/beast in the world, and as we know even in the one piece world and in ours beasts are stronger than men, so the strongest creature/beast would be stronger than the strongest man and don’t forget another crucial statement “in 1vs1 battle always bet on Kaido”, that’s me using your flawed reasoning against you.
Luffy would destroy Naruto, his hax is stupidly overpowered (limited reality warping + opponent warping also known as toon force) he’s much faster and stronger + he’s a better hand to hand combatant and a battle genius with better precognition and faster regeneration, also Haki is way better then Chakra (no pool of haki that gets drained with usage, it’s literally their willpower), also don’t forget that Luffy can fly.
naruto beats him