Why No Amount of Training Could Have Saved Flight 261 🛩 Air Disasters | Smithsonian Channel
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Investigators have a theory as to what befell Flight 261, on January 31, 2000: a faulty nut had detached from the plane's horizontal stabilizer, leading to a fatal plunge. Astoundingly, there was nothing in the training manual that covered this exact scenario.
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I feel like this is one of the top 3 plane crashes that would be the scariest for the passengers. I can’t imagine how it would feel to fly upside down over the ocean.
id say top 5, 5: 261, 4: pan am 103, 3: any mid air collision 2: twa 800 1: tenerife airport disaster is how i would put it
@@randomcontent1736 TWA 800, yeah, The US Navy did a number on that one. Hopefully they've learnt to not have a live missile drill in civilian airspace.
I agree ✝️🙏
@@eriklarsson3188 def not shootdown, a shootdown/bomb leave signs flight 800 didnt have, shootdown will leave extra wreckage, they fully rebuilt the plane, def no extra wreckage, also a bomb or shootdown leave shrapnel damage around the explosion, the fuel tank explosion on flight 800 was not a shrapnel explosion as there was no shrapnel damage (again the full reconstruction)
also the missiles did not have the range to reach flight 800
Those heroic pilots had to pull on the yoke with a 150 lbs of force for over ten minutes!!! Thats almost superhuman to do that. Once the jackscrew completely separated from the nut the plane was totally uncontrollable. RIP all souls onboard.
How do they know how much force the pilots had to pull with?
@@trigger9779I guess it was calculated and modelled from the data that was collected
Absolutely Stunning How 1 Nut Can Take an Entire Passenger Plane Down...Can Never Imagine What These Poor People Had to Endure Mentally & Physically...Sheer Terror!
So sad how many planes with tons of people were ended because of failed screws, nuts and bots on top of other things. The more complex a machine the more points of failure are possible.
With the broken stabilizer now free to move and the intense aerodynamic forces forcing it up and forcing the nose down the whole time, there's no way at all you can recover from a dive like that. The pilots of Alaska 261 refused to give up control and did everything they could, but from that point on the plane was no longer flyable and they were doomed from the start. My respects go out to Thompson and Tansky for all time.
I'm not an engineer but that jackscrew was a terrible design flaw. Such a critical control surface should have multiple redundant systems to back it up!
“Was a terrible design flaw”
Only 1 out of 2,000 crashed due to this, this was a maintenance failure for not greasing the screw correctly. None aircraft is designed to fly without correct maintenance.
@@olmoyerves8188 even with terrible maintenance a car wheel doesn't suddenly come off... It might rattle and wobble but will rarely come off. Now imagine a huge plane whose fate depends on small piece of metal which needs fastidious maintenance or it will suddenly screw up everything
@@duncannjoroge3320 can’t understand how do you compare a car wheel with an aircraft.
Every aircraft has it’s own maintenance procedure, part of the MD-83’s procedure was to grease the screw on the horizontal stabilizer. They never did it correctly.
Result: the stabilizer failed and the aircraft crashed.
That’s how Aviation works, is not only about this aircraft, is about maintenance of every little piece.
@@olmoyerves8188 see, I'm a layman who doesn't understand the complexity of aircraft maintenance but at least common sense makes me expect layers of safety to exist in aircraft design. Redundancy is what I'm talking about.
My car popped a CV joint but it didn't suddenly roll and kill me at 80 mph. I expect an aircraft that's worth thousands of cars to have even better redundant systems to ensure safety.
@@duncannjoroge3320 I’ll respond to this with a very simple example.
When your car runs out of fuel it will stop and that’s it, you’re probably going to walk out the car and try to solve the problem.
If an aircraft runs out of fuel in mid air it will star falling and if pilots aren’t able to find a place to land they’ll crash and potentially kill many passengers. Of course, it’s very difficult for a commercial plane to run out of fuel due to all the procedures pilots need to follow, but every fail in the air is a lot more dangerous.
An aircraft is not designed for flying with no fuel, so they don’t have something like an extra propeller or an extra engine that will pop out to maintain the aircraft in the air.
Same situation with the stabilizer. It’s a key part of the aircraft, designed specifically for flying with correct maintenance. Actually on this case many inspectors had told workers to replace the screw and the nut months before the accident because it was very damaged, but nobody listened.
If I start using water instead of antifreeze for my car probably at the beginning will not be a big deal, but at some point the engine will fail beyond repair. This is what happened on this case.
3:11 did someone noticed that picture of aloha flight 243 behind the man
Talk about a major oversight, about not having a failed jackscrew training in the QRH
Pilots die to faulty worn parts. Not lack of skill. Alaska Airways created this by playing the deadly game of Pilots Versus Spreadsheet, and as we know, the Spreadsheet won. That screw needed replacing in '97 and that request was denied. I bet the spare part cost was a hustle in itself, but you can't allow a hustle to create risk to life.
Lack of skill? "AIR FRANCE 447"?????????
today, 24 years ago alaska airlines plummeted into the ocean just off the shore of california. the pilots did everything. rest. in. peace.
Imagine all the times pilots were helpless in saving planes and people because there was nothing they can do
It sadly happens more often than we even realize
Why these MD83 has has the horizontal that broke, and now jackscrew broke and thread is jammed into nuts, but then the pilot made things worst. This is to make sure to put the jackscrew is screwed properly.
Alaska cut corners. Maintenance didn't even lubed the Jackscrew at all.
The threads on the nut that normally held the screw were worn down due to improper maintenance. The screw was able to slide freely through the nut. It was briefly held at maximum by the stopper at the end of the screw but that finally failed and it tore out completely.
@@pizzarat3275 Yep; there was no chance of saving the Mad Dog (the aircraft) when the jackscrew and the acme nut both gave way.
I don't blame these pilots 1 bit. Alaska Airlines horrible maintenance is to blame. These pilots had no way of knowing that the jack screw had come apart. They did what they were trained to do, and they had tons of experience flying these things. I've flown on MD80s in the past and absolutely hated them. Just something about these planes i didn't like. And that was before this senseless crash. Have never flown on one since. RIP crew and passengers
Why do you even think to blame the pilots?
Unless I'm missing somethin Japan 123 is the deadliest single aircraft accident and it has been since it happened in 1985
And second deadliest overall I believe. Right behind Tenerife
@@Boundwithflame23 right u are ...583 died on Tenerife from the collision of two 747(it's been my favorite plane since I was 7 in 1993 but there's no denying it's had some terrible luck over it's 54 years)...Japan 123 is without a doubt the scariest plane crash imo
Ur missing something..the iran flight is the scariest..flying at night and getting attacked by missiles. That is scary
Coorpate greed should be prosecuted harder.
The more i watch these short documentaries, the more i know about planes
JUST FOR BECAUSE OF 1 NUT 😱
always that jackscrew
What happened to redundancy?
ban flying what the hell, I mean cannot even become an Angel in a plane crash
The training for jammed jack screws should be to quit moving it, reduce speed and reduce g force on it, then land as soon as possible. If they had done that, it would have held.
Why do you say no training could have helped? I just came up with it. Why can’t that work? They were obviously flying okay at the moment it jammed, so at that position you should be able to adapt other controls and choose your angle of attack to keep that adjustment stable enough.
Anytime it’s jammed, it seems like you shouldn’t try to break it free because there’s something wrong. It isn’t designed to jam.
Wow look at this real pilot coming through! How many hour have you fly on MD-80?
@@HorWangZaaa I bet he has 0.
Small problem with that - in the accident flight, I’m pretty sure it jammed in a position that would’ve made landing very dangerous. Hell, it made flying without autopilot and correcting the pitch manually a massive challenge - and this was without them fiddling with them. Hindsight is hindsight and all, but even if they had been trained to do what you suggest, I reckon it’d be no guarantee…
Any pilots in the comments, please let me know if I’m wrong about any of this?
I think that’s extremely hindsight biased, the problem appeared to be something very different that could have been solved by then fiddling with it a bit. You could say that was silly to risk doing it but again nobody had ever experienced this issue before so you can’t blame them at the time
This was the first indecent of this type and the manufacturer deemed this type of failure so unlikely that there was no training in place.
That could have broke during crash too though.
wow. plane manufacturer should be sued
At least they’re ok, that’s one hell of a roll to level out and land on water
Who said they are ok, the plane crashed into water killing everyone on board.
How are they ok?
Everyone on board dies
Is it suppose to be a joke or what? 88 people lost their lives from this. Are you misunderstand something or think that making joke like this appropriate?
He ment the plane
If a plane goes past the 37.0° bank angle limits, it's game over.
The weak point in this diaster is the FAA!
Rip
Survivors:1(cameraman)
Do we have wings? No ,then I'll stay grounded and flightless thanks 😅
@@okangafrancismorely7853wow dude
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Hello by the way there are 3 people saying first lol
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Is these videos are real or not? If they are real then how they recorded real time video of air planes?
I think they use the data from both cockpit voice recorder and data recorder to recreate this with animations/simulators
Its a reenactment.... After all the data has been collected and investigations concluded, you can act, hence the word reenacting, an incident... And with all available tech, you can draw an near accurate representation of what transpired that day.
A simulation of how the plane crashed. A computer simulation can show the engineers/ investigators what happened according to the info from the black box. And the wreckage that was brought up from the sea bed.
It's a reinactment. The people are actors. The audio communication, data from the flight data recorder and evidence from the wreckage is how they know what happened. There isn't usually any video footage, especially from crashes over the ocean.
I can't imagine how horrible it must have been for the pasengers and crew in their final moments. There's no way you wouldn't know you were all about to die.
Wow I’m first
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