The Real Versatility Of Godzilla - Deconstruction of Godzilla and Blackarooni's Video
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- I don't know what Blackerooni was thinking when making this. But let's rip into it.
Kaiju, something more important to me than anything else.
Particularly, Godzilla. A character who has changed much through the many years he's been in film.
I've heard about this video, and some of you were asking for me to give my thoughts on it.
Blackarooni's video was difficult to watch because I couldn't tell if it was lack of understanding, or something worse. So, I'm going to give my thoughts, and try and correct the record, as many of the other Godzilla creators have.
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Godzilla can be anything you want him to be
BASED
Not anything you want, be he is still a flexible character
Yeah we just have to wait for him to be public domain in 2050
@@citrusreality64 Because all this time he's been an animal, no matter how expressive he is. You can do anything with an animal, at least in writing context.
I don't think he ever will enter public domain. Japan's laws are different.
3:03 I love how the directors for different Godzilla films seem to be buddies or at least respect one one another
Same, it's incredibly wholesome.
Like these guys understand it, these guys get it. We should be like them.
@@MaxisAllosaurus couldn’t have put it better myself !
Don’t get why people even hate Godzilla and also a lot of people are ignorant ( whether from hate or just didn’t know) of Godzilla history don’t expect them to know everything of a 70 year long franchise but atlease they can do research great vid by the way ❤
The thing is, he says that, and its ok not to know or understand, but if you dont know, don't start saying "this is what Godzilla should be" like a lot of people do.
@@maxwellkane9555 true my friend
This.
Godzilla's a varied character, so many ways he can be portrayed, and most of the community is very respectful, because we know he's useful for a lot of different stories.
Want fun action? We got final wars, want a dark serious story? Here's Goji84. Want a complex moral dilemma? Godzilla Vs mechagodzilla 2 and Tokyo SOS.
However, a line does need to be drawn when things are deliberately misinformative.
@@MaxisAllosaurus that true also have u seen gemstone Godzilla
I'm not too familiar with Gemstone Godzilla, I've heard of it, and know of the Gigan Rex, megalon projects. But they are a bit of a weakness in my knowledge.
FINALLY! Someone who understands Monsterverse Godzilla's character! AND THEMES!!!
Though, believe it or not, Godzilla has had consistent characterization since the 1954 movie. The versatility, or more accurately, adaptability, comes from that characterization being applied to different themes.
Oh just you wait, we've got a lot of things planned for MV Godzilla, we cover him a lot in the other videos on the channel.
characterization for Godzilla's a complex thing, his personality might be different, but that's the result of character growth. He is always atomic power incarnate, just the way that's handled differs from movie to movie, with more added themes thrown in. GMK and Shin add more layers of penance for it's WW2 actions. It's why he's such a great character, he can be anything, and everything.
I wouldn't say he has been characterized in the same way, more that each version is not as different as some might think.
@@matteomastrodomenico1231yes they are. All gojiras are different. Not all of them are heros
I honestly use Godzilla as a form of motivation. Because no matter what happens, or what his intentions are, or what role he plays in the film, he always moves forward. Through pain, loss, confusion, and hatred, Godzilla never stops moving forward. He gets up when he falls. When life pushes him, he pushes back with everything he can. Even in a situation where victory is impossible, he goes down swinging. That’s why I love Godzilla.
I'm glad to have found another who thought the same way I did about him when I was younger.
He's someone you can see really anything in.
Same here man.
I agree, godzilla is tenacious, never backing down or giving up, but I'd argue a monster that fits the theme of perseverance better is gamera. Both in his films and irl. He always pulls through no matter how many kaiju stand in his way, no matter how badly beaten, no matter the injuries, he remains the guardian. Irl he's faced budget cuts, studio bankruptcy, rights transfer to kadokawa, struggle of being seen as more than a cheap Godzilla ripoff for kids, and nowadays apart from kaiju and toku fans, nobody really knows who he is. Yet gamera rebirth brought him back, even if just for 6 episodes. For me his theme in rebirth, 'anger" is what determination sounds sounds like.
@@tullimonstrum52 honestly 100% agree with that. Anger is literally THE hype song, and I agree is probably what raw tenacity sounds like if it were a song. And I think it also helps especially in Rebirth that he can’t regenerate limbs. He lost his entire arm and literally got impaled by Guiron, and just kinda kept going. He fought and killed two more kaiju and an evil organization on the moon with one arm, which I must say deserves applause. And whenever he lost, he always came back to try again. He always persists, both in-universe, and in real life.
@@Plant-c9p i think it's best shown when gamera wakes up from being beaten unconscious by viras and pushes himself to get up, music swelling, to see viras closing in on the shuttle as the music pauses, you can imagine him taking a deep breath before he roars Into the sky at viras. It could go well with Optimus prime's closing line from TF4 "this message is for (viras), leave planet earth alone, cause I'm coming...for YOU!"
Honestly, Godzilla aint that hard to understand. JUST WACTH THE MOVIE. Stop trying to say "oh but who cares if the japenese people made him a hero its just stupid" ITS NOT, HE'S NOT THE SAME GODZILLA SINCE RAIDS AGAIN
Definitely one of the greatest Godzilla channels on this platform.
I'm just a guy making videos about what he loves, and to share that love with everyone I can.
This is a wonderful video. You did a fantastic job of breaking down why Godzilla is so version and awesome. I love the monsterverse movies and do also get upset when people disparage or dismiss them.
You know, I was actually planning to make a video about why he's the most misunderstood Godzilla
The tragedy of MonsterVerse Goji.
He does unfairly get the blame for some of the monsterverse's issues (like human writing), I love the movies, but I also will say that it isn't perfect, because nothing is perfect. That's what makes it great, the beauty in that imperfection.
I partially feel that, thanks to the monsterverse, new fans have come in and have tried to push a false narrative about Godzilla, almost like they where fans from day one. An example of this is, I was always a fan of Bryan Cranston, but it's not until Breaking bad blew up was everyone riding the Bryan Cranston wagon, and when I hear things like this I feel like oh now your a fan of Bryan, not when he was doing power ranger monsters, or when he did Malcolm in the middle, it's when he hit the mainstream. This is what I feel happens with Godzilla and I just want to roll Eyes. Not saying you cannot be a new fan but I believe it's hard for new fans to see all the cgi spectacle and go back to the guy in a rubber suit. Thank you for bringing this forward. ❤👍
Happy to bring this forward.
I do agree, to a degree, but I think the false narrative of the Monsterverse is a combination of creators preying on the newer audiences. Because yes, it is a bit hard to go back to the older movies after these newer movies. However, that's why we need the combination of the classically styled Toho ones, things like Shin, and Minus one (thought I do have my issues with Minus one as a film, I also have my issues with the monsterverse films, but that doesn't prevent me from enjoying them)
That's why I made this channel, to try to bring back that understanding of what Godzilla is, to acknowledge that even back then people knew the suits were a bit goofy, but they didn't care. they enjoyed the movies for what they are. It's also where this idea that the showa era was all silliness comes from, showa era was I'd say the darkest era of kaiju films.
@@MaxisAllosaurus even the silliest showa film has its dark serious moments.
And most of them weren't nearly as silly as they're given the reputation for, the main reason they are given that rep is out of context clips, and the....really bad dubbing.
Actually amazing video, this guy understands Godzilla.
Comment guys, get talking, we gotta get this video out there more!
Godzilla is a cracked reflection of humanity. I would describe that in detail but it'd take me several hours to write why.
And no words need be said, I think we all understand well
Godzilla is many things, and we have seen him change, from being a force of nature, a hero, possessed by the souls of WW2 soldiers, ruling the world, and even being a gross mutating thing-like creature. But one thing that has stayed consistent is what the Big G represents: Nature and Nuclear Power. His connection and Nature being in the way he will both punish humanity but also keep things balanced, and Nuclear Power with how he is both a warning, but a resolution at the same time. A warning that Nuclear weapons should never be used, but also a resolution of some of the good Nuclear power can bring.
I know i'm reaching here, but when i look at the MV Goji or hell even the Showa Goji, i see the good that can be brought with Nuclear Power, not as a weapon, but as something that when heavily controlled and constrained can be used for benefit.
I voiced very much the same later in the video.
Godzilla's evolved with the development of nuclear power, from a destroyer to something that can create.
@@MaxisAllosaurus Not only that, but he also shows how Japan's relationship with America has changed over time. Before America wanted to downplay and make a mockery of Godzilla because of what he represented, and thinking no-one would appreciate a foreign film. But over time, here in the states we got home releases, games, somewhat better voice dubbing, and now were even making our own Godzilla movies.
And The Big G is here to stay
He really is an all encompassing thing.
He isn't just a character, he's an idea. A concept given form. It doesn't matter what form he takes so long as that idea holds true.
Thank you for addressing this very topic of Godzilla good sir.
Happy to be doing God(zilla)'s work. We cover a lot of Godzilla here, happy you found us.
I agree with you man.
I share your concept and fact of Godzilla!
Long live the king!
Based, long live the based. o7
The thing that always frustrates me with people like Doktor Skipper, Blackarooni & the god awful Little Platoon (Who's more worse than each of these guys through ableist & racial rhetoric) that nothing they say is on good merits as they seem to only watch 3 godzilla movies and ignore the rest.
It makes me wonder how in the hell do these guys get any following by saying the bias things which only showcases that they don't pay attention. AND I'm saying this as I have problems with the Monsterverse with it's retcons, inconsistent monster fighting and even more boring characters where as Kong Skull Island & Godzilla King of the Monsters actually tried with a balance. BUT I would never say people who like the new Monsterverse movies that "They're eating radioactive feces" or "They're brain dead morons" because it's stupid!
Very much agree.
I love the MV, but I've got my issues with it. I love Minus one, but I got my issues with it. Nothing is perfect, nothing is awful completely, everything's on a spectrum. And people seem to always want to polarize more.
Now, there is a legitimate reason they do that, it's because ragebait gets more engagement People comment calling them out, or dislike the video, which drives more people to see it, click, check out the video. Some might agree by preying on little doubts they themselves have to convince them with twisted facts. It's an unfortunate reality of content that rage drives more engagement than positive discourse. Which is a large part of why it's important for all you guys who love and understand these things, to comment and show your support so we can show them why they're wrong. To swamp them with our sheer wall of support.
I grew up with the 2 Movies of Godzilla between
Godzilla 2000 & Godzilla vs. Spacegodzilla I watched these 2 movies in VHS in the past in the early 2000s however I have to agree with your statements in your video.
VHS tapes, man, I remember those....Had a few Godzilla movies on those we tapped off the TV. So many memories.
Thank you.
The first gojira attacked humanity bc of the H-bombs that destroyed his home and even killed his family.
Yep
Whats that tiny chibi girl ?? Great vd btw
Running gag on the channel, Azur Lane's Guam.
First person to notice them, haha.
this is a great video, very well said!
oh, and I would love to see you pick the original video apart indepth!
Beautiful video man congrats
(also, based mascot)
Thank you!
Had this Allo for...God over 2 decades. Running gag on the second channel, so made is the whole thing for this one.
I hear that the best characters are interesting in any situation, godzilla is one of the only characters I think this applies to
Based take.
Godzilla isn't a hero, Godzilla isn't a villain., Godzilla IS
He is a force of nature
@@MaxisAllosaurus. Neither good nor evil
As I like to say, "Neither cruel, nor caring."
I like a guy who knows what he’s talking about.
Just found your channel, new subscription from me.
But I'm gonna be that guy. Why when you mentioned the bad of Godzilla, 1998 had to be the representative?
I don't actually think Godzilla 1998 is a bad movie, I actually have a soft spot for it.
In hindsight, I probably should have put Minila there.
Pretty sure he's actuall a fan of it, he's said a lot about it in some previous videos
@@MaxisAllosaurus I'm gonna say something strange, instead of Minilla, put Gabara, at least Minilla did something besides be a child bully.
And I'm sorry if I in any way came off aggressive, I just...................get hurt seeing 98 get overhated for 26 years, even though I'm 4 years younger than the movie.
@@maxwellkane9555 new fan so I didn't know so my bad, my real bad.
No, no, no need to worry. I understood completely.
As a Monsterverse fan, I know just as well what It's like to get that sort of reaction.
What is your most favorite Godzilla era
Monsterverse
This quote is about Batman, but it applies to Godzilla all the same.
*_"Batman's rich history allows him to be interpreted in a multitude of ways. To be sure, this is a lighter incarnation, but is certainly no less valid and true to the character's roots as the tortured avenger, crying out for mommy and daddy."_** ~ Bat Mite, Batman: The Brave and The Bold.*
Also, this is why I love the MonsterVerse Godzilla: he is an amalgamation of every iteration rolled into one package, on top of officially being crowned as King of the Monsters and acting like it. MVGoji is, without question, not only the most faithful adaptation of the original, but, the most well rounded and fleshed out of the entire franchise. Like the franchise itself, MVGoji's anti-hero role makes him a very versatile character.
Absolutely unfathomably based my friend.
It's a very refreshing take to hear so much positive thoughts. Thank you very much.
I actually wasn't familiar with that bat mite quote, but I will need to take that into consideration for something going forward.
No chemotherapy is not radiation. Radiation is the better one. Chemo is more akin to mustard gas.
It could have been the combination of them, because I do remember the chemotherapy being mentioned, as well as the mention of radiation therapy.
@@MaxisAllosaurus Ok
Well I'm glad she beat it.
That she did.
off topic but I Prefet the japanese version of Godzilla 2000, zilla roars do not fit MireGoji at all
I might need to rewatch the Japanese 2000, I didn't actually notice those roars myself being too different, but that could also be because Zilla98 was one of the earliest Godzilla movies I ever saw, and have watched the American version of 2000 for yeaaars.
But now that you pointed it out, i might pick up on it.
11:10 you know it's important to remember that's not the same godzilla as 54, a new individual shows up and starts fighting anguirus and humans attack him. In his conversation with Rodan and mothra he says he only hates humans because they hate him, which makes sense. At the end of godzilla raids again Humans trap him in ice for years, giving him reason to attack/retaliate at us. There's also that moment at the end of godzilla vs hedorah where he stares at the humans as if saying "l came to your aid, worked with you to fix your mistake, and i came away injured. I'm starting to think you don't deserve my help or forgiveness"
I agree, to a point. But I also think over time, Godzilla did realize it was pointless to continue the cycle of aggression.
After all he did have his own adoptive son later on, I would say part of that understanding is perhaps wanting to have a better world going forward. Not forgiveness, but perhaps a mutual 'you don't come to my home, I don't come to yours'. As well as the humans saving him from the Kilaak's control likely would give him a better impression of the puny humans.
Is Godzilla just a common-sense blindspot with youtubers? Ive even seen creators I generally respect give some rubbish takes.
That's why I can't tell, is it genuinely not knowing, or active malice.
What’s a “common sense blind spot”? Legit curious
@@yuyaricachimuel555 It's just my phrase for something that should be obvious, but people keep getting wrong.
The real Godzilla is the friends we made along the way
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Ahahahaha.
THANK YOU!
Very welcome! Happy to help provide.
We honestly need more fans like you. They are the true gigachads of the Godzilla Fandom and the wider Kaiju Fandom as a whole.
Your words mean the world to me, I'm glad I can be that, but I'm just a guy who talks about what he loves.
Be it Godzilla, Transformers, Pokemon, or...well, anything.
@@MaxisAllosaurus well from one Transformers fan to another, you have my respect and gratitude.
o7
I think you'll enjoy out video we made on them from 2 weeks ago.
Absolutely beautiful!
Thank you, I was a but worried when I made this. So this....means more than you can imagine.
@MaxisAllosaurus Of I love how this was put together and I'm glad your mother survived cancer and love how you made radiation a positive in your livelihood instead of just a tragic material.
Thank you.
that's part of what makes Godzilla a unique character for me, I see him in a lot of ways in a positive light, but I also still acknowledge and understand that there is a great amount of darkness in his origin.
I think it gives me a somewhat different perspective than most, not everyone, that he's not just a destroyer, but he's a sort of spectrum for what he can be.
video is good but calling godzilla the greatest character of all fiction is the biggest glaze not even close to the greatest
Glaze?
Also that is the wonderful thing about opinions, we all like different things for different reasons.
8:34 i need to say this is head canon, we never got anything in 54 that said he had a "family" or a specific place he called "home" or that it cared about anything
Actually, we did. Theater Program.
wikizilla.org/w/images/1/1d/10689853_398606200295214_8421095972625706709_n.jpg
wikizilla.org/wiki/Theater_program
They give further elaboration on the movie and setting.
It's also noted within the movie that he and his kind, lived off Odo island, it's how the islanders knew about him, and he was a part of their local folklore. Even making sacrifices to him.
That's why Odo island was at the start of Minus One, where he largely occupied the same role, just more stripped down.
"Godzilla didn't have home"
Literally Odo island
"Nothing said he had a family"
Clearly someone's not aware of side material. It wasn't just a movie that was dropped. They made him a victim of nukes bruv, like halo, not all story's in the big release when it first dropped.
If there are two Godzillas, there was a family there
Why do all the MV fans (and by extension Godzilla fans in general) collectively despise criticism against their Golden Calf?
They aren't, I'm actually very clear about that in this video, and in others on the channel. I've been critical of him myself, namely they make him out to be more hostile than he really is, especially as of late, they have stipped a bit of his personality out since Serizawa's been gone.
It's often criticisms of the Monsterverse itself gets tacked onto MVGoji as a byproduct. Think of it like peopel bring overly critical of Thor's character from the first two Thor movies, conflating issues of the story, writing and movies themselves with the character. While there are flaws that do exist, it's important to address those flaws specifically so that they can be improved going forward. I've got a whole project dedicated to this in the works.
@@MaxisAllosaurus That's fair, however as a friend of Rooni who's been along for this insane ride ever since the Dr. Skipper fiasco, you can't blame me for thinking this considering every detractor of Rooni can and has been proven wrong because they keep parroting the same "arguments". Now I wouldn't consider myself a Godzilla "Fan" as I'm more of an appreciator of the original film and Anno's Shin Trilogy. I haven't seen any of the Showa, Heisei or Millennium films and if I have, it was when I was in a single digit age range. But I can assure you. Most of these detractors come from Monsterverse fanboys as Rooni is highly critical of this franchise and all of the hate comments come from people who obviously don't watch his videos because they saw a Reddit/X post saying "This guy is an idiot" and nothing more. I've had my fair share of laughing at these people and I'm very confident in saying that if I made a video on why the Godzilla vs Kong/Godzilla x Kong movies are horribly written/directed, I would be absolutely flooded with comments saying "Oh you're just a Minus One Fanboy tourist" despite me still not seeing Minus One yet. You get my drift?
I'm actually much more of a classical Godzilla fan, I grew up on the Showa and Millenium films, 2000 as my first, GMK and Hedorah as my earliest. While I am a fan of the Monsterverse, that's simply an extension of I love Godzilla as a whole. But I'm not a blind follower of all Godzilla stuff is perfection, I have my issues with every iteration of Godzilla, because that's the beauty of a series, the imperfections. I'd actually like to have a one on one with him to really pick his brain about some of these things since there is only so much that can be in a video. I do understand your reaction, it was still wrong of you to jump the gun with the hostility since I did say I watched the video. I agree that GxK has a list of issues, but just as much, I have my issues with Minus one.
The problem with his video is how demonstrably incorrect so much of it is. When the guy says that the Monstereverse hadn't connected back to Godzilla's nuclear origins, something that the movies have time and time again actively shown, there's a point where it comes off less unaware, and more deliberately malicious. Something which, and this is just me speculating here, seems to be bitterness at the monsterverse more than anything else, and isn't happy that it's as successful as it is. As said, the opening of the movie shows Castle Bravo, then the believed Uranium mine, and then the Janjira nuclear plant disaster. All of that in the opening, what 20 minutes? It's also worth mentioning, since Shin, the Godzilla Room was established, I wish I'd touched on this, but Toho themselves sign off on everything in the monsterverse. If they didn't agree with it, it wouldn't happen.
There's a reason many people call him out, because he seems to either fundamentally misunderstand Godzilla (which i hope is the case), like with his comments about the superheros. Godzilla's not driven by an ideology like they are, because he's a concept, nuclear power incarnate, for better or worse. That's where the 'Bomb and Victim' duality come in. If Godzilla was truly inversatile, we wouldn't have movies like Destoroyah, Final Wars, MG2. He's almost a framework you can graft ideas around. Either he misunderstands Godzilla, or, and I truly hope once again, this isn't the case, it's bitterness at the success of the Monsterverse, what makes me lean towards this is how misinformative parts of the video are, especially in regards to the sympathetic nature of Godzilla in the Heisei era where he is a father protecting an adoptive child.
Godzilla's Godzilla, he takes different forms, does different things, he's a protector of the world one day, our wrathful destroyer the next. He wouldn't still be an icon 70 years later. That's something that shows his versatility.
@@MaxisAllosaurus Well I'll ask Rooni if he wants to as he's debated before. However currently, he's on a sort of holiday so to speak. When he gets back I'll most definitely get in touch to see if he'll want to do it. You got a discord?
@@Xenodromeda Yes, (this is my second channel, Meta Maxis is my main one) my Discord's linked in all my videos on this side.
Chat I have more subscribers then this guy
Sounds like some major league cope, considering this is the guys side channel and only had it for 2 months.
Nice try flex bro.
@@maxwellkane9555 well you got me
Minus one isn’t deep, GXK isn’t real, Godzilla is an irradiated dinosaur and that is his character.